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I've forgotten how many years it is until the Miami GP now.
02:01
It keeps going up, but I've forgotten what the last number was.
02:04
But in this April break, we've got another episode for you.
02:07
Sam, we've just had Easter. Did you have a good one?
02:12
Thank you. Thanks for asking.
02:13
I love roast dinga. That was nice.
02:16
I've got a few Easter eggs.
02:18
I'm only eating it for the chocolate.
02:19
What Easter eggs did you get, mate?
02:21
I've got a link-bunny one. That's nice.
02:24
Bougie, actually. I have some cream eggs.
02:27
Always cream eggs forever.
02:29
I have yours as well because I know you don't like them.
02:32
And then I've got a Terry's chocolate orange.
02:37
It has the segments in the middle and they're popping candy segments.
02:42
Honestly, different ball game.
02:45
What a day you've had.
02:47
Well, the weekend itself was fantastic.
02:50
I've got fruit pastels, chocolate egg, quick.
02:54
I made a comment in the supermarket.
02:56
I went, this must be a tough day for sweets.
02:58
No one's buying the sweet ones.
03:01
Well, it's just you get a chocolate Easter egg
03:03
and a packet of fruit pastels,
03:04
but I'm not complaining about it.
03:09
I've got a question.
03:10
How much of chocolate Easter egg chat
03:12
has actually made this its way into the show?
03:14
All of it's every single thing.
03:16
No, it's just Kersti's chicken and red.
03:18
We're going to cut in now.
03:22
We've actually got more to chat about
03:24
than just Easter egg.
03:25
Surprisingly, we're playing F1 Hyrule Lower later on.
03:28
We've got a discussion on Alpine's open letter
03:31
that they did last week.
03:33
We've got chat about Max Verstappen
03:35
and a run in that he had recently
03:37
with a journalist from the UK.
03:39
But we're going to start with Charles Lecler
03:41
and Ferrari because Charles Lecler has said Ferrari
03:44
can make huge gains across every area
03:47
of its 2026 F1 car,
03:49
including the engine, chassis, aerodynamics,
03:51
and tyre management.
03:53
Mate, that's pretty much everything, Charles.
03:57
Ferrari has been Mercedes's closest rival this season,
04:00
but hasn't stopped them winning the first three races.
04:02
The team has acknowledged it is currently down
04:04
on engine performance, at least partly
04:06
due to the Mercedes interpretation
04:08
of compression ratio rules,
04:10
a loophole set to close after round five in Canada.
04:13
Still, Ferrari needs some powertrain upgrades,
04:16
which the ADUO, or Additional Development
04:19
and Upgrade Opportunities mechanism,
04:21
might provide opportunities for
04:23
with manufacturers between 2% and 4%
04:25
down on the best engine's power
04:27
allowed an additional upgrade,
04:29
while those who are more than 4% down will get two.
04:32
The process theoretically occurs after the 6th, 12th,
04:35
and 18th rounds of the season.
04:37
However, Lecler has stressed Ferrari
04:39
must not focus just on the engine alone,
04:41
highlighting some of those other things
04:43
that they need to improve on as well.
04:45
But if we're going to start some with the power units
04:54
I'd like a DUO. I like that.
04:57
I'd like a DUO-ver from the start of that bit
04:59
because that was terrible.
05:01
You know, we've established that Miami is so far away
05:04
we might need to cryogenically freeze ourselves
05:06
to make it there in one piece
05:08
because we generally might not make it.
05:11
It would be so Ferrari to only focus on the power unit
05:15
and go, you know what, we've got a month.
05:17
We can't do anything with a power unit
05:19
because a DUO or whatever we're calling it
05:21
hasn't kicked in yet, so we've got a lot to do at work.
05:23
That would be so Ferrari.
05:25
But genuinely, if it's going to help anyone in this gap,
05:27
it's Ferrari that it will help as a contender at the top.
05:30
I do think that Mercedes will be putting a lot of their efforts
05:33
into trying to make an engine that works
05:36
without the compression ratio involved.
05:38
They obviously got the news at the start of the season.
05:40
It's a huge change.
05:41
They got to deliver it to customer teams as well.
05:43
It is a big difference in how their cars are going to be tested.
05:46
So a lot of focus, I think, will be on that.
05:49
And they obviously don't have to wait until the sixth Grand Prix of the season
05:52
to do any adjustments.
05:53
They have to make it fair when the regulations before that point.
05:56
Ferrari, on the other hand, there's a few things already
05:58
that we've seen Ferrari tinkering with.
06:00
They brought the world's tiniest windscreen that appeared
06:03
on one of their cars for a brief moment.
06:05
Of course, we've seen the Macarena wing turn up.
06:07
That's quite funky and interesting too.
06:09
And we've seen lots of teams develop really strange
06:12
and wonderful and innovative side pods
06:14
and ways of getting the airflow around the car to be more effective.
06:17
And I think this is where Ferrari is going to be looking for further gains.
06:20
We saw that Mercedes are comfortable on their tyres.
06:23
We saw that they've got bigger pace throughout a lot of the Mixby Corners as well.
06:26
Now, actually, they were matching Ferrari,
06:28
despite having bigger engine power,
06:30
in a lot of the cornering sections as well
06:32
that we've seen in the last three Grand Prix,
06:35
where Kim Yamagami went on to win that Grand Prix
06:37
by a very long distance.
06:38
So Ferrari is doing to make sure that
06:40
whilst they don't lose track of where the car has been good so far,
06:43
and it's definitely the most competitive Ferrari we've seen for a while,
06:46
the DNA is clearly there.
06:48
They're doing to make sure that they are expanding
06:50
and developing that car rapidly.
06:52
If they want to make sure they can take advantage of,
06:54
essentially, what's going to be a negative car dealt to Mercedes
06:57
with the change in these regulations when it comes to the engine.
06:59
They will be heavily affected.
07:01
Ferrari to capitalise.
07:03
Harry, could you see a duo being used to get closer to Mercedes?
07:08
I mean, it's what it's there for, isn't it, this year?
07:11
So it will be interesting to see whether
07:13
this helps bring together the competition.
07:16
Obviously, as you said, it's supposed to come around,
07:18
come in at round six, which was Miami,
07:21
but it is now Monaco, TBC,
07:24
whether when that actually comes in.
07:26
But yeah, it's what it's there for.
07:28
So it'll be interesting to see.
07:30
And I'm hopeful that it does allow,
07:33
well, does allow Ferrari to catch up to the top,
07:35
but other teams as well.
07:37
The percentages you mentioned, what are they giving Honda?
07:40
Mate, that's like double figures, isn't it?
07:46
But yeah, so hopefully it does make a difference.
07:50
The comments from the club do give me the same vibes
07:54
as the Carlos Sainte-Charles player,
07:56
seven tenths upgrade,
07:58
they touted a couple of years ago,
08:02
They're still not at seven tenths now.
08:05
They're still working on that upgrade.
08:08
But they are much closer than they were at that point.
08:10
So I'm obviously teasing there.
08:12
So yeah, whilst they can't focus all on engine power,
08:15
I think it will be a big thing for Ferrari to look at here,
08:19
because whilst Mercedes,
08:21
I think I'm probably stronger in all,
08:24
almost areas versus the Ferrari car.
08:27
Engine pace has got to be the one
08:29
that they're focused on the most.
08:31
Yeah, I'm hopeful it does allow them to catch up,
08:33
because whilst Japan wasn't as good for them
08:37
as the first two races,
08:39
Ferrari are within touching distance.
08:42
And whilst McLaren haven't always been there throughout this year,
08:46
and say for Red Bull,
08:48
this Aduo may allow them to catch up.
08:51
So they'll be hoping that with the advantage that they've had,
08:54
if they can make some games,
08:56
it will allow them to get the mix with Mercedes a bit more.
08:59
Yeah, I feel like this plus the compression ratio loophole
09:03
that we've discussed a couple of times this year,
09:06
that being closed, those two things collectively,
09:09
it's quite an effective one-two punch,
09:11
or at least it has the potential
09:13
to be quite an effective one-two punch on Mercedes.
09:16
And Ferrari, as you already say,
09:18
I'm a very well positioned to take advantage of that,
09:20
if that's the case.
09:22
You know, Aduo, like you can say it's pretty similar to,
09:26
and it's not the same, otherwise people will shout at me.
09:28
It's a bit similar to balance of performance
09:30
when it comes to the World Endurance Championship,
09:32
but where it differs is,
09:34
if you think of balance of performance in WEC,
09:37
you're more looking at bringing the leaders back to the pack,
09:41
whereas this is kind of attacking it from the other way,
09:44
which is bringing those at the back forward to where,
09:47
or giving the opportunity to come forward to where the leaders are.
09:49
That's the other good thing about this, I think,
09:51
is it's not a guaranteed you are now going to be on the pace
09:54
of, let's say, Mercedes who have the best power unit.
09:57
It's the opportunity to catch up.
09:59
We know that these upgrades,
10:01
there is no guarantee that it's going to work for all teams.
10:04
We've seen that particularly in the last couple of years,
10:06
that these upgrades can fail.
10:09
We had not an engine upgrade necessarily,
10:12
but Verstappen had an upgrade package at Suzuka.
10:15
And I think the only reason we know that
10:17
is because we were told about it.
10:19
There wasn't much indication to show Red Bull
10:21
were particularly fast there,
10:23
versus what they could have been.
10:25
And as you've kind of outlined,
10:27
Terry, with the timeline of all of this,
10:30
in theory, this compression ratio loophole
10:32
is going to be closed after Canada,
10:34
which is now round five.
10:36
And if they're sticking with round six is the time
10:38
in which their first reviewing performance for ADUO,
10:41
that's essentially back to back rounds.
10:44
That could hit Mercedes quite hard,
10:46
like one after the other.
10:48
It is going to be, I think, much tougher,
10:50
and this isn't just about Mercedes,
10:52
but it's going to be tougher in this era
10:54
for an engine manufacturer to dominate
10:56
in the same way that Mercedes did back in 2014.
10:59
Like when Mercedes come out the blocks,
11:02
beginning of the hybrid era,
11:03
that advantage essentially stayed with them
11:05
for like four years.
11:06
I don't think it's going to be as easy to do that here
11:08
with this mechanism in place.
11:12
But it is important for Ferrari in particular
11:15
to use this opportunity to catch up,
11:17
especially with the likes of,
11:18
I mean, think about Austria and Silverstone,
11:22
Like all of these tracks are upcoming.
11:24
They are very power-sensitive tracks,
11:26
more so than Suzuka that we've just gone to
11:29
and Melbourne's kickoff the year.
11:31
It's very important that Ferrari get this right sooner
11:36
I think for Mercedes, though, with the compression ratio,
11:39
they have to take that as a bit of a loss,
11:41
not only because they'll be losing a competitive advantage,
11:43
but also, I guess, Sam,
11:45
because they've lost Bahrain and Saudi Arabia
11:47
two rounds in which they could have used it
11:49
before it was taken away.
11:51
Instead, they've kind of just got the five rounds
11:54
to use it rather than seven.
11:56
Yeah, that loss of those two Grand Prix,
11:59
you mentioned the ones who puncture
12:01
the change in compression ratio
12:03
and the ADUO going to possibly Ferrari
12:05
and other manufacturers, of course.
12:07
This is also a loss for them,
12:09
like a third strike, essentially,
12:11
where they've got less time
12:13
to take advantage of this now
12:15
what's going to be deemed a legal style of engine,
12:17
which has to be tested,
12:19
because they were both power tracks.
12:21
Having a strong engine at both of those tracks
12:23
was a huge commodity that you could take advantage of,
12:26
and they've lost that immediately.
12:28
It's a real big hit for Mercedes
12:30
that they're going to take advantage of it.
12:32
It's a real win for the likes of Ferrari,
12:36
For those of cars that are not essentially using
12:38
a Mercedes powertrain to go,
12:40
great, we've got development time,
12:42
trying to understand what went wrong.
12:44
We could pick up this ADUO
12:46
and start forecasting how we maybe want to use it
12:48
to get the best races from Mercedes
12:50
and its potential customers to score points.
12:52
I can't believe I'm saying this,
12:54
but it seems like Alpine
12:56
were a real threat with Pierre Gasly
12:58
in that kind of midfield with the points section.
13:00
I bet Max Verstappen is walking down the street
13:02
kicking his feet on the floor.
13:04
Oh, God, I can't remember Pierre Gasly.
13:08
Well, now there's a chance at the end
13:10
you could be even better for yourself
13:12
than you could be on equal playing fields.
13:14
No longer be haunting to the Casio triangle of Suzuka
13:16
so it does feel like
13:18
Mercedes are really on the back foot.
13:20
It's going to be really interesting to see how they
13:22
take on a lot of challenges at once
13:24
combined with the fact that both their drivers
13:26
are still vying, of course,
13:28
to leading a world championship,
13:30
which could be the first of both of them.
13:32
I don't think this is much of a radical statement, Harry,
13:34
but particularly when it comes to Charles Lecler,
13:36
if Ferrari can deliver
13:38
a power unit that is able to compete
13:40
with Mercedes, you'll fancy as chances
13:42
against Santonelli and Russell,
13:46
both of them are solid drivers and done a good job
13:50
They're not unbeisable, especially for someone like Lecler.
13:54
And I think we've seen already
13:56
this year that both
13:58
whilst they have dominated
14:00
the wins we've had,
14:04
have had issues or errors
14:06
along the way that performances
14:08
have not been quite up-standard.
14:12
that Lecler has operated already
14:14
this year at a higher level than both Russell
14:16
and Santonelli, and that isn't a
14:18
I'm not being harsh on those two,
14:20
but if there's a car then
14:22
get him into the fight
14:26
absolutely think Lecler,
14:28
but this is Charles Lecler who was taking on Max Verstappen
14:32
he said it was prime, but at his prime
14:34
in like, you know, 2022
14:38
if he can do that, he can take the fight
14:40
to Russell and Antonelli
14:44
In terms of what else they need to improve on
14:46
Sam, I know Charles
14:48
has essentially listed everything.
14:52
Anything that you've spotted so far this year
14:54
if we're going outside of the power unit that you think
14:56
that's something they need to get better at.
14:58
I feel like tyre wear has actually cost them
15:00
a little more than we've been expecting.
15:02
When you're in a season in an era that
15:04
tyre wear doesn't seem to be a massive factor
15:06
unlike the last few years where you have seen
15:08
off a bit more or overheating has been
15:12
Both Hamilton and Leclerc have had instances
15:14
where they've been unable to
15:16
catch or match the cars around them
15:18
because they've been affected by the tyres dropping
15:20
off or overheating slightly further.
15:22
We saw it with Lewis Hamilton specifically
15:24
where in the sprint race
15:26
he absolutely tore through his tyres much faster
15:28
than everyone expected him to
15:30
and he came out in the interview after this
15:32
and said, I've really learnt something there
15:34
that I, you know, the tyres aren't as strong as I thought
15:36
and I'm sorry Rip for his tyres faster than we've seen
15:38
with a lot of the other top cars going around it as well
15:40
so if they can mitigate this
15:42
and create a big of an impenetrable force
15:44
like McLaren did last year
15:46
where it could run super close to the cars around it
15:50
it could step behind in the heat and not overheat
15:52
whilst keeping the downforce applied
15:54
and the tyres aren't going to go off
15:56
that gives them a real chance to take the fight
15:58
to Mercedes if the rest of the upgrades
16:00
provide them with a level playing field.
16:02
I think overall they've got something to work with
16:04
and it seems like a really responsive car
16:06
a car that at low speed
16:10
good on acceleration
16:12
they've got the building blocks there for a good car
16:14
the thing I pointed out was
16:16
I don't think they're yet on top of qualifying
16:18
I think they can get a little bit more
16:20
out of those qualifying sessions
16:22
maybe not to touch Mercedes quite yet
16:24
but I don't think they're getting 100%
16:26
some of that might be down to driving style
16:28
some of that might be down to
16:30
again the tyres could be the warm up
16:32
of the tyres for those qualifying laps
16:34
I think it is important they sorted
16:36
out though because at the moment it's not really hurting
16:38
them that much in that
16:40
they're so good at race starts that
16:42
they can afford to qualify
16:44
a position or two lower than maybe
16:48
but that advantage isn't necessarily going to hold
16:50
like Mercedes might well get better
16:52
at those starts as the year progresses
16:54
and we saw in Suzuka
16:58
leading from the slide
17:00
that it's impacting McLaren in the same way
17:02
that it's impacting Mercedes
17:04
so if McLaren are starting to get more involved
17:06
in these battles for podiums
17:08
then suddenly Ferrari might have to
17:10
to start out qualifying them a lot more
17:14
Harry Fredverser has said before
17:16
that Miami could be the start
17:18
of a new championship which I appreciate
17:20
is not just about his team
17:22
and more about the sport as a whole
17:24
but could you see that being the case
17:26
could you see the order being shaken up
17:30
I think I mean significantly
17:32
I would be surprised
17:34
but I think it's not a bold statement
17:42
the next race in Miami
17:46
beyond the round's possibility that
17:48
things could change quite significantly
17:52
the developments that teams
17:54
can make if indeed they are allowed to do it
17:58
but also the sport as a whole
18:00
you were saying about qualifying then
18:04
if there's something
18:06
if I make some changes in this
18:08
false break we've got
18:10
and qualifying allows drivers to push 100%
18:12
expect to see Hamilton
18:18
back on top qualifying form
18:20
and then if they're qualifying
18:22
even third and fourth
18:24
that's an easy lead
18:26
by whatever turn one they're going into
18:28
from there on in maybe with Monaco
18:30
is the exception but even then
18:34
I think there's a combination of things that could really
18:36
I don't think shake it up
18:38
Alpine aren't going to start winning
18:40
but it certainly could help close the gaps
18:42
yeah that would be a shake-up
18:44
Leclerc is definitely going to squeeze it down the middle
18:46
into turn one of Monaco
18:48
if he qualifies fourth
18:50
he's absolutely sending it
18:56
he will prove that he's a cut above the rest
18:58
just like his mother
19:00
a great hair dresser
19:02
thank you for the context right at the end there
19:04
that is appreciated
19:06
he's just a massive Charlotte Clare mother fan
19:08
you've raised a beauty
19:10
we cut him this off
19:12
one final thing I would say
19:16
let's think about their weaknesses from last year
19:18
I think their number one weakness last year
19:20
is their fee corners
19:22
great work on the regulations
19:24
they don't exist anymore
19:26
so Ferrari's weakness just got eliminated for 2026
19:30
playing 3D chess out there
19:34
thank you sir for steaming over the start procedure changes
19:36
imagine how big their start would have been
19:38
if they hadn't changed anything
19:42
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Max Verstappen a bit of recent news from him
21:39
because he refused to begin his japanese
21:41
gp press conference until
21:43
journalist Giles Richards left the room
21:45
saying I'm not speaking before
21:47
he's leaving before telling him very bluntly
21:51
the tension stems from a question
21:53
Richards asked after last season's
21:55
Abu Dhabi finale where he questioned
21:57
whether Verstappen's clash with George Russell
21:59
may have cost him the title of course
22:01
that crash coming out of the Spanish GP
22:03
earlier in the year Verstappen took issue
22:05
not just with the question but how it was
22:07
asked once Richards exited
22:09
Verstappen began the session in Japan
22:11
at the end of the year and
22:13
he said he was disappointed
22:15
adding that difficult questions are a part
22:17
of a journalist's role and expressing
22:19
hope for a better relationship with him
22:23
Harry this at the time got
22:25
quite a lot of intrigue
22:27
on the likes of social media
22:29
what were your thoughts on it
22:31
not on from Max Verstappen
22:35
I tried to try to be as
22:37
balanced as possible here because
22:39
I mean a lot of these drivers do but
22:41
the likes of Verstappen
22:45
I mean Alonso thinks that it's
22:47
just all on him but
22:53
more criticism not just in
22:57
on social media etc
22:59
more so than others necessarily do
23:05
questions that he was asked by
23:07
Giles Richards at the end of last year
23:09
have riled Max up but
23:13
the duty and the responsibility
23:15
of journalists to ask these tough questions
23:21
up to Max Verstappen to decide
23:23
whether what questions
23:25
he would like to be asked and it's
23:27
a dangerous precedent to set
23:31
F1 drivers but any sports star can just
23:35
which journalists which media outlets
23:39
question them because they don't want to answer
23:41
certain questions. Max is probably more blunt
23:45
especially around the media has always
23:47
been suspect he always will be
23:51
you know it's part of
23:53
his character it's part of what people
23:55
love about him that he's sort of
23:59
that respect but yeah this isn't on
24:01
you can't be checking out journalists
24:03
in your press conferences and I hope
24:07
by the time we get to the Miami GP
24:09
and beyond that there's
24:11
a bit of water on the bridge they come
24:13
to a resolution between the two of them
24:15
and that he sees that this
24:17
can't be the way forward
24:21
because it shouldn't be and also
24:23
given his status within the sport
24:25
it's such a bad precedent for anyone
24:27
who's any new drivers that are coming
24:29
up and think that they can do the same
24:31
not on disagree with Max on this one
24:35
your take on it Sam?
24:37
I was quite disappointed when it came out
24:39
I want to caveat my response with
24:41
the fact that I really
24:43
like Max Verstappen I've got a lot of respect for him
24:47
to be fair he has every right to be
24:49
annoyed at a question
24:51
he has every right to not like someone
24:53
you could do all those things you know if you want to take
24:55
an answer and give the most blunt response
24:57
possible that's your
24:59
prerogative you could do that exactly how you
25:01
like one road responses are entirely
25:03
up to you if that's how you see fit
25:11
comes from where you think you can tell someone
25:13
to stop doing their job when they haven't done
25:15
anything wrong it's not like he asked him a
25:17
thanks in question he didn't say something
25:19
that was rude it was a critical question
25:23
for thought and I can understand
25:25
why Max might have been a bit frustrated at
25:27
being raised again that he had that incident
25:29
with George Russell in Spain and look
25:31
it came from a British press
25:33
member and we know that there's been some critique
25:35
of the British press when it comes to
25:37
questioning the Formula 1 drivers about
25:39
an incident with a British driver which Max
25:41
has had problems with previously
25:43
but the entitlement I think
25:45
that there was to say to someone
25:47
I'm not going to do anything
25:53
I thought was outrageous
25:55
and I can't believe that no one
25:59
like an FIA point of view and officials
26:01
point of view stepped in or other journalists
26:03
at that point or drivers who revolved
26:05
in the room didn't say
26:07
come on really like that's
26:09
is that really wrong is that okay that you
26:11
think you could just do that to someone
26:13
I know that people probably felt a bit awkward
26:15
and they didn't want to cause a bit of an uproar
26:17
but it must have been really difficult
26:19
for you know this accredited journalist who spent
26:21
many years trying to be the best in their field
26:23
you know they're probably pursuing a subject that they are
26:25
very passionate about
26:27
to be ousted to be removed
26:29
from the one area that they think they have
26:31
earned their right to being as well as those drivers
26:33
because he asks a critical question
26:35
so this isn't something I want to see again
26:37
I really don't think it's on
26:39
I hope that someone has tried to explain this
26:41
to Max in a you know a friendly nice way
26:43
where he can see both sides I hope
26:45
and I do hope much like you Harry that they can
26:47
patch things up to at least a point where
26:49
they could be in the same room together even if
26:51
I asked Max for staff on a question again
26:53
I just don't want to see this kind of behavior
26:55
between the press who try their best
26:57
to bring stories to us which we
26:59
use on this show on a regular basis
27:01
and the drivers who are there to both
27:03
entertain us and you know feel comfortable
27:05
themselves so yeah it was really disappointed
27:07
I hope we don't see something like it again
27:09
I was I was really quite shocked at it
27:11
yeah my view was very similar
27:13
I thought it was quite poor of the staff
27:15
and at least the way he handled it
27:17
I've seen a lot of you know
27:19
side you on with this you on the side
27:21
of the journalist the side of the staff and
27:23
it's not really the way I'm viewing this
27:25
the way I view it is pretty
27:27
similar to how you started your answer some which is that
27:29
Richard has Richard is
27:31
entitled and he is allowed to ask the question
27:33
the staff and is entitled
27:35
and has a right to answer however he
27:37
wants to in that moment
27:39
Richards has a right to be
27:41
in the press conference and I appreciate
27:43
by the way this was a Red Bull
27:45
specific press gathering rather
27:47
than the official FIA press
27:49
conference I believe but I think the same
27:51
rule applies he has the right to be there
27:53
but Verstappen does not have
27:55
the right to say you shouldn't
27:57
be here that that's
27:59
where it crosses over I think
28:01
I thought the Abu Dhabi question was
28:03
a valid one it's a tough
28:05
question to ask no doubt but
28:07
that's what journalists are there for
28:11
with a championship that went down to the wire
28:13
and was as close as what it was
28:15
I understand how that question for Verstappen
28:17
would have been tough to deal with like
28:19
he has just come out of a championship
28:21
fight and come up narrowly short
28:25
is they are going to pick out those pivotal
28:27
moments and if he had won by a couple
28:29
of points they would have done the same
28:31
thing with one of his wins
28:35
back drives or whatever it might be they would have asked the
28:37
question it was this race
28:39
in particular something you see as the crucial
28:41
moment that turned the championship around
28:43
the fact that he came up a couple of points
28:45
short is just you're going to get questions
28:47
on the other side of it
28:51
one of Max Verstappen's
28:53
issues was how often
28:55
as well he was asked this question and I
28:57
understand that point of what he's saying
28:59
like it was natural for him to be
29:01
asked about this incident straight after it
29:03
happened in Spain and I also
29:05
think it was perfectly valid to ask
29:07
him this question after Abu Dhabi as well
29:09
given what we know what
29:11
we know happened if he's being asked
29:15
September and October about
29:17
this and it must get very boring
29:19
and repetitive to answer the same question
29:21
again I think he is very entitled to
29:23
say like why are you asking me
29:25
about this this happened months ago the championship
29:27
battles ongoing we've had many more races
29:29
since then don't ask
29:31
me about that why are you asking me about this
29:33
but as soon as the Abu Dhabi result
29:35
is confirmed I think it does become relevant
29:39
even though I thought it was a valid question
29:43
it's kind of pointless it doesn't matter whether I think it's a
29:45
good question or a bad question
29:47
he's entitled to ask it
29:49
and you are entitled to answer it like
29:51
Verstappen had sat there and gone I think
29:53
that is an atrocious question to ask
29:55
here's why whether I agree
29:57
or disagree with that I don't care like he
29:59
has just been his unfiltered
30:01
self in that moment and given
30:03
an accurate answer to how he's feeling
30:05
that's what I want to see from him
30:07
and all the other drivers and honestly we get
30:09
more of that from Verstappen than we do most
30:11
other drivers I often come away
30:13
from like an official press
30:15
conference and think well we haven't really learned anything
30:17
here because they've given the most cookie
30:19
cutter answers and a lot of the time
30:21
Verstappen is the one that kind of breaks that
30:23
mould I don't care what you have
30:25
to say as long as it's truthful to who you are
30:27
but where it crosses over is just
30:29
flat out refusing to have someone's
30:31
presence in a press conference I just
30:35
I just think it's a bad look for Verstappen
30:37
and I know the other thing he said about
30:39
this is how and I'm
30:41
paraphrasing because I can't remember the word he used exactly
30:43
he felt that the question was asked
30:45
in a bit of a sneering sort of
30:49
Verstappen has that
30:51
point of view others in the room
30:53
have said the opposite so it's probably
30:55
pointless to get into which
30:57
ones right and which ones wrong because it is
30:59
just two different versions
31:01
of events but if there is any instances
31:05
asking that question in a very sneering
31:07
way F1 at that point
31:09
does need to play a role in ensuring that
31:11
their drivers are not being blatantly
31:13
disrespected in their press conferences no
31:15
doubt about that but equally
31:17
Max Verstappen would be allowed to turn around and say
31:19
I don't like the tone you've used when you're
31:21
asking that question therefore my answer
31:23
is going to be if you want an answer from
31:25
me don't use that tone it's perfectly
31:27
okay for him to say that but
31:29
like you said to remove someone from their
31:33
disrespectful I know
31:35
again this wasn't the official press conference
31:37
from the FIA but is
31:39
and maybe this is a one and done
31:41
situation and and things will be
31:43
resolved but Sam we go back to the word
31:47
is to stop someone coming to the next
31:49
Grand Prix in Miami and saying well there's
31:51
two journalists I don't really like I
31:53
don't want either of them like
31:55
is and we down a slippery slope with this
31:57
yeah it's got to be a very British
31:59
phrase it's got to be nipped in the bud
32:01
very very soon you've got to
32:03
make sure that this does not happen
32:05
again and I don't and because there hasn't
32:07
been a rule set I don't think you should
32:09
go and you know start a witch hunt on Max Verstappen
32:11
here and say oh we should have done this
32:13
you know we should impeach him or whatever it might be
32:15
there should be a fine for this none of that
32:17
it's happened we have to learn from it
32:19
we shouldn't do it this is
32:21
almost come out from a statement now from
32:23
the FIA and say in any
32:25
form of official press conference that
32:27
involves Formula one where there are
32:31
unless someone is genuinely offended
32:33
I guess that word in there could be a little
32:35
loose here so you know it might be more
32:37
specific you shouldn't be seeking
32:39
the removal of official personnel or
32:41
something like that but I do think that
32:43
even if the statement is kind of kept
32:45
relatively internal and sent just to
32:47
teams maybe to save embarrassment
32:49
and that's okay I do think they're
32:51
putting these to be a word sent round
32:53
very clear as to what is
32:55
and isn't accepted by the FIA when it comes
32:57
to discussing their sports in official grounds
32:59
yeah I just think overall like
33:01
having a free press
33:05
vital that is not afraid
33:07
of intimidation or censorship
33:09
and I mean that sentence doesn't
33:11
even include the words F1 in it so it's
33:13
probably not just limited
33:15
to here folks but yeah
33:17
it's important that we keep that
33:21
and I guess Harry because
33:23
I know there will be some comments saying that this is
33:27
not rather than the rule
33:29
we had this with Lewis Hamilton about 10
33:31
years ago and I felt the same thing there
33:33
ironically that happens to Zucca as well
33:37
it's cropped up every now and then
33:39
these sorts of incidents the one I was
33:41
also thinking of was
33:43
quite the same but Fernando Alonso
33:45
and Johnny Herbert for example
33:49
as a rule maybe drama should be allowed to go
33:51
rinse the journalist on on television
33:53
instead if it's Johnny Herbert
33:59
Johnny Herbert if you don't know what to talk about
34:01
yeah it comes up every now and then
34:03
there was also another one I think with
34:05
I think it was how I don't know if they say
34:07
more but is Hamilton and
34:09
a Dutch journalist and
34:11
he was sort of provoking an answer of Hamilton
34:13
and Sebastian Vettel jumps in
34:15
there to defend Hamilton that is
34:17
there's incidences that have
34:19
occurred over the years between
34:21
F1 drivers and journalists and it will probably
34:23
happen more and more as the sport
34:25
with the popularity of the sport
34:27
and how accessible it has become
34:29
versus what it used to be
34:31
these things may come up more
34:33
and more but even so
34:35
even if there are disagreements
34:39
drivers shouldn't have the right
34:41
unless it's something genuinely
34:43
offensive that's been said
34:47
they should have the right
34:49
to kick out journalists from press conferences
34:53
it's part and parcel of it
34:55
it will happen from time to time but even so
34:59
shouldn't have the power to
35:03
before we go to our second break
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Formula 1 at the moment is being
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compared quite a lot to Mario Kart
35:09
we've had a couple of those comments
35:11
about how it feels like
35:13
you're given a mushroom
35:15
or there's a blue shell comment
35:17
that's been made by Verstappen
35:19
but I have to say my favourite power-up used
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in the Mario game is the star
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I knew exactly where that was going
35:27
as soon as we started
35:29
I started to panic I thought I haven't prepped for this topic
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Mario Kart that was on the schedule
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I'm going to play it a lot
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we're ready for this
35:37
the problem is I've got 5 stars
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and I don't want to do it 5
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so such a big gap in between F1 races
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there's so many stars to give
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Welcome back everyone picking up on a bit
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of news from Alpine because in a statement
39:21
recently they dismissed claims that Franka
39:23
Colopinto's car has been sabotaged
39:25
or compromised with in
39:27
a statement the team also criticized
39:29
hateful posts targeting Colopinto
39:31
over his role in Ollie
39:33
Berman's high speed crash in Sunday
39:35
in last Sunday's Japanese GP
39:37
the team endeavors to put the
39:39
two fastest cars on track and provide
39:41
equal opportunity Alpine said
39:43
they want both drivers to be competitive
39:45
and score important points for the team
39:47
in the championship in some instances
39:49
given the need to fast track parts
39:51
and carefully manage the manufacturing process
39:53
the team is only able to bring
39:55
select parts or upgrades to some
39:57
events however that is never
39:59
the intended or desired approach
40:01
as if the part is a performance upgrade
40:03
as we hope and intend then we want it
40:05
available on both cars immediately
40:07
any questions about sabotage
40:09
or not giving Franco the same car are
40:11
completely unfounded which is why the
40:13
team felt the need to speak out
40:15
and then elsewhere in the statement Alpine
40:17
spoke about abuse towards drivers
40:19
saying the team condemns the hateful
40:21
messages aimed towards Franco after last
40:23
race in Japan the same way it condemns
40:25
the abuse and threats that were aimed
40:27
towards Esteban Ocon following a collision
40:29
between the two cars at the Chinese GP
40:31
so a statement that kind of covers off
40:33
two separate issues Sam let's start
40:35
with the sabotage comments
40:37
on Franco Collapinto
40:39
your thoughts about I guess
40:41
the accusation itself and the fact that Alpine
40:43
felt the need to come out with a statement against it
40:45
I think the accusation itself
40:49
questions can be asked right if you're maybe
40:51
to Formula 1 if you're very passionate about
40:53
a certain driver you think oh are they getting
40:55
a bit of a dub deal here why would they
40:57
seem to be struggling against their team
40:59
mate well I've heard you know that maybe they
41:01
haven't got the same parts on the car
41:03
it's perfectly fair to ask that question
41:05
because it's very normal across Formula 1 teams
41:07
we've seen in multiple instances
41:09
where only a set amount of parts are brought
41:11
to a race where only a certain amount are
41:13
actually capable of being produced
41:15
cost cap we've got time limits that need to
41:17
be mentioned we spoke about actually
41:19
in the games ironically where
41:21
the car has been crashed last year
41:23
and it's Carlos Sainz and Alex Albin that are
41:25
affected and only one car could go racing
41:27
because of the problems that have been done
41:29
I got that right was it those two
41:31
a sergeant yeah thank you
41:33
I have a feeling it wasn't those two
41:35
yes but the same thing applies there
41:37
that you know they didn't bring enough parts
41:39
to the racetrack and only one car
41:41
managed to go racing because they didn't have
41:43
enough at the track to repair the car
41:45
due to the collision that was made
41:47
they'll be trying to make sure that they don't
41:49
spend too much money going down a certain
41:51
pathway with the development of their car
41:53
finding out it doesn't work they brought
41:55
two parts of that put it on both cars
41:57
both cars have struggled with that difference
41:59
they have to take them off both cars
42:01
and try something completely new
42:03
you gotta remember that a lot of these teams
42:05
will be using the races also as tests
42:07
and so I understand
42:09
the maybe lack of understanding
42:11
or the confusion in how
42:13
this part situation works
42:15
but who does it benefit by genuinely
42:17
sabotaging a driver
42:19
who gets a good result
42:21
out of this getting out being like
42:23
yes another one car
42:25
point scoring result for us
42:27
to be fair it's healthy they might be celebrating
42:29
that maybe they will but it's
42:31
not because they've sabotaged the other driver
42:33
it's just because they were so bloody awful
42:35
last year you know it's an improvement
42:37
but of course they were both their drivers
42:39
in the points they don't want to be behind
42:41
the likes of cars they don't want to be struggling
42:43
with cars that could barely make it
42:45
into new teams like Audi who took over
42:47
of course or maybe the likes
42:49
of Williams who have managed to score points
42:51
on one occasion as well they want to be
42:53
getting away from the rest of the midfield
42:55
cementing themselves as the best of the rest
42:57
and sabotaging one of your drivers
42:59
is just a bit dumbfounding
43:01
it's just a bit stupid
43:03
as a concept unless for some reason
43:07
have all got in on it together and gone around
43:09
the garage and the paddock
43:11
and whatnot and gone we ate him
43:13
no parts for you Franco
43:15
because we all hate you
43:17
it doesn't happen it's not happening
43:19
that's just not how it works so
43:21
again you are right to ask questions
43:23
and I really encourage that curiosity
43:25
if you don't understand why something is happening
43:27
totally fine you just don't need to do it
43:29
in a really horrible
43:31
and slightly abusive manner on social media
43:35
that they felt the need to
43:37
make this statement
43:39
I kind of understand why
43:41
but most of the time
43:45
accusation like this comes by
43:47
most teams will just
43:51
they don't want to validate it in any way
43:53
so they just will not even pretend it's a thing
43:55
whereas Alpine have chosen
43:57
to address this and at least part of me thinks
43:59
like if you believe that
44:01
sabotage is going on
44:03
and Alpine come out and say
44:05
there is no sabotage going on
44:07
people are probably just going to go
44:09
that's what someone who would sabotage would say
44:11
that we're not doing it
44:13
I don't actually think this is going to appease a lot of people
44:17
I'm not a spokesperson for Alpine as much as we joke that I am
44:19
there's no truth in this
44:23
there are times where there will be slight differences
44:25
between the spec of each car because
44:27
you've only got the capacity to bring
44:29
one upgrade at a time
44:31
but apart from that
44:33
to your question Sam
44:37
to sabotage one of your cars
44:39
now I don't think I can make a claim for any team
44:45
but let's say in some
44:49
there was a team that really wanted
44:51
a driver out of their seat
44:53
and wanted to sabotage that car enough
44:55
so that they could then make the decision to get rid of them
44:57
and then bring in someone else
45:01
ridiculous but okay let's go with that
45:05
it makes even less sense at Alpine
45:07
because it's Flavio Breatori at the helm
45:09
if he doesn't like you and he doesn't want you there
45:11
he will just get rid of you
45:13
he's not, of all the team principals
45:15
he's not there with his pen and paper
45:17
going we just need enough
45:19
hard evidence just we need enough
45:21
proof to fire this guy
45:23
and then we can make the he's just going to go
45:27
like that's the way Breatori operates
45:31
make any sense that they would be
45:35
would be purposefully sabotaging their own car
45:37
I think it's a bit ridiculous
45:39
Harry where are you on this?
45:41
Yeah anyone suggesting it needs to give the head a wobble
45:45
it's not in the nature of F1 teams
45:47
as you've already said to do this
45:49
they are there first and foremost as a
45:53
as many points and win as many races as possible
45:55
they don't care who wins them
45:57
quite frankly because as long as they win them
45:59
that gets them the money
46:03
as you said Sam obviously if you don't
46:05
understand and ask the questions about
46:07
why you know upgrades arrive at
46:09
one car before another
46:11
very valid question it's
46:13
happened for years in F1 but suggestions of
46:15
sabotage are just plain stupid
46:19
they wouldn't do that so
46:23
it's a shame that Alpine have had to put this statement out
46:25
I think obviously the second part
46:27
of it has influenced that as well
46:31
they felt the need to say something because obviously
46:35
and the abuse that have come through
46:37
on social media have become
46:39
too much I guess for them to ignore
46:41
so which in itself is completely sad so
46:45
for anyone who has suggested
46:51
Harry stop it's coming
46:55
that's like when you're a little kid and your parents go
46:59
consider this a telegraph
47:03
you're not mad you're just disappointed aren't you
47:09
I'm not raising my voice
47:11
that's true and that's scarier
47:15
Sam is there any concern
47:17
at all at the moment is it too early in the season to say
47:19
when it comes to Colla Pinto's relative
47:21
pace versus Gasly we know
47:23
that Gasly's 15-1 ahead in terms of
47:25
points but that is maybe
47:27
slightly misleading based on the lost points that
47:29
Colla Pinto had at China so
47:31
is it still too early to
47:33
say this is a worry
47:37
going to jump to conclusions we've spoken so
47:41
drivers who get dropped from teams
47:43
who quickly or judge too quickly we're not
47:45
brand new era it's going to take drivers
47:47
a bigger time to fully adjust to this you've seen
47:49
mistakes from the very best
47:51
Max Verstappen you know three out of four
47:53
race starts we've had it's been absolute dud
47:55
and the guy is one of the greatest we've ever
47:57
seen in Formula One it takes different
47:59
drivers different times to acclimatise
48:01
and adjust equally you mentioned
48:03
the fact that he's had the lost points when it came
48:05
to China through no fault of his own you didn't do
48:07
anything wrong in that instance
48:09
Espen Ockham was at fault puts his hands up and says
48:11
really sorry but the damage has already been done
48:13
he doesn't score points on that very properly
48:15
because of this and I think he probably would have picked up
48:17
maybe four points on that race day which
48:19
look it doesn't drastically change what goes
48:21
on there but maybe it brings that gap down
48:23
to what 15-5 did you say was the current gap
48:27
That would make it 15-5
48:31
this is what I expect
48:33
Gassley is a heavily experienced
48:35
race driver now he's been in the sport a long
48:37
time and I've mentioned this time after
48:39
time he's maybe the most underrated
48:41
driver currently in Formula One
48:43
Colin Pinto is still finding his feet
48:45
the guy has not completed
48:47
one full season yet
48:49
he's being in two separate teams
48:51
he's never done a full season he's only just ticking
48:53
over to in theory have 24 races
48:55
in a row at any point as well
48:57
I'm more than happy to give Franco
48:59
the rest of the year
49:01
to adapt to learn to change
49:03
there's going to be a pace difference between
49:05
these two and let's go up into is the prime
49:07
time Sanger coming in that quickly
49:09
he's going to need time to get up
49:11
to speed properly looking someone
49:13
who's good as Gassley so
49:15
I'm not worried and I do think the facts
49:17
need to take a deep breath and you know what
49:19
just stop being horrible online
49:21
because I think it's quite sad
49:23
the fact that you feel they need to say such
49:25
horrible things to people on the internet
49:29
early to make any rash judgments here but
49:31
like my prediction at the beginning of the
49:33
year when I said Colin Pinto is going to
49:35
be way closer to Gassley this year
49:37
isn't it a little bit shaky
49:41
but it is early I think the thing
49:43
he needs to address more than anything right now is qualifying
49:47
Gassley has essentially made it through to Q3
49:49
or SQ3 as was the case in China
49:51
he's done that three out of four times
49:53
Colin Pinto has made Q2
49:55
every time but then hasn't been
49:57
able to get through to Q3
49:59
in any occasion so far this year
50:01
the average pace deficit
50:03
in qualifying between the two at the moment
50:05
if we use all eight sessions
50:07
where they've been against each other
50:09
four and a half temps
50:11
in the favour of Gassley which is pretty
50:13
sizable if you look at some of the other gaps on the grid
50:15
but again the bigger issue is
50:17
it's not too bad in Q1s
50:19
but when you get through to Q2
50:21
Gassley is just able to find a little bit more
50:23
than Colin Pinto if you look at
50:25
the four instances they've been together in
50:29
Gassley was quicker than Colin Pinto
50:35
0.922 in the Chinese sprint
50:39
in the main qualifying at China
50:41
which is actually the closest they've been
50:43
and then it was back out to three and a quarter
50:51
so it's whether he can
50:53
just find more in Q2 and improve
50:55
at the same rate as Gassley
50:57
I feel like that's where he needs to spend his focus
50:59
over the next few races
51:01
the other part Harry of this statement was about
51:03
some of the hateful messages
51:05
that not only Colin Pinto has received
51:07
but what Oconn received as a result
51:09
of his crash with Colin Pinto in China
51:11
what are your thoughts on this?
51:15
probably an unsurprising response
51:23
that there are so many fans
51:25
of F1 now and that there are so many
51:29
particularly for certain drivers
51:35
and another driver have the collision
51:41
even if it's an obvious one
51:43
the one was at fault
51:47
reality where throwing abuse at a driver
51:49
on social media is acceptable
51:51
because they're real people
51:53
I know that F1 in particular
51:57
quite an act to seem
51:59
not if it's not real
52:01
that's not the right word
52:03
it's such a heightened sport
52:07
put them on a pedestal
52:11
is that most people watching F1
52:13
will never meet these people
52:15
but they are human beings
52:19
they don't deserve any of the abuse
52:21
and it goes beyond that
52:23
it's obviously the drivers which for the most part
52:25
they're not looking at everything that comes in
52:27
I'm sure they do look at some stuff
52:29
but then you've got the teams
52:31
social media managers
52:33
that are having to look at these comments
52:37
it's just unacceptable
52:43
we've had teams in F1
52:47
but it does feel like at some point
52:49
something needs to be done
52:53
and I'm not entirely blaming F1 here
52:55
because they can't control every comment
52:57
that appears on social media
52:59
it's just a hiding replies
53:01
to how bad people feel that F1 is
53:03
at the moment into doing that
53:05
for discriminatory comments
53:07
maybe that would be a better use of that time
53:09
so you've got to wobble your head
53:11
you've got to stop it
53:13
and now you've got that zinger
53:15
that's a turkey there
53:23
yeah it's completely unacceptable
53:25
for obvious reasons
53:29
Kolopinto's actions
53:31
in Japan but he doesn't receive a penalty
53:33
for what happened in any way
53:35
and as we and others have discussed
53:37
all throughout this year
53:39
this was a crash waiting to happen
53:43
it just so happens that it was Berman
53:47
it could have easily been two other drivers
53:49
that were involved in this sort of an incident
53:51
where those closing speeds are vastly different
53:57
we had Piastri and Hülkenberg
53:59
a near incident into
54:01
130R because Piastri
54:03
who was sort of deemed at fault for the incident
54:05
but wasn't given a penalty
54:07
he was like Hülkenberg caught me three times quicker
54:09
than I thought he was going to
54:11
we're just seeing these cars are so unpredictable
54:13
with energy management that
54:15
you are going to have some of these incidences
54:17
as the rules are right now
54:24
that even gives you the idea
54:26
that he was intending for this sort of the thing to happen
54:30
there has been a massive rise
54:32
in hateful messages towards
54:34
not just F1 but just sports stars
54:36
a bit more generally
54:38
and I think some of the reasons you said Harry a spot on
54:40
certainly anonymity
54:42
on the internet is something that really
54:44
really hurts this because
54:48
hostility in comments and messages
54:50
without consequence and you have
54:52
these stars feeling much more
54:54
accessible now because of the rise of
54:56
social media and there is a certain
54:58
power dynamic thing I think to this as well
55:00
so a lot of the time
55:02
people think it's okay to hurl
55:04
abuse at someone because they
55:06
deem that person to be in a higher
55:10
different status to what they are
55:12
they'll look at how rich
55:14
these F1 drivers are how famous they are
55:16
and say because of that I can say
55:18
whatever I want about them
55:20
and it doesn't work that way and yet
55:24
you don't even have to look outside of Alpine
55:26
for this just look at what happened to Jack doing
55:28
this time last year he received
55:30
you know he received death threats
55:32
and he's spoken about this on Drive to Survive
55:34
and indeed other interviews
55:36
as well and he said like I've had
55:38
messages saying if I'm still in the car
55:40
by Miami all of my limbs
55:42
are going to be cut off like he had to deal
55:44
with that message being sent to him
55:46
he's had to have his own
55:48
personal escort like
55:50
police escort at times as well
55:56
like you say Harry you want F1 and the FIA
56:00
most of these teams are probably doing
56:02
a good job already but they
56:04
need to invest as much as they can
56:06
to make these drivers feel
56:08
supported and protected as much as they
56:10
can because this is just not on in any
56:14
Sam your thoughts on this
56:16
I mean while you were going through
56:18
the examples that you spoke
56:20
about there the thought across
56:22
my mind was what do you get out of this
56:24
someone who does this someone who sits there
56:26
and does this what do you get out of it
56:28
you must be a really
56:32
self-conscious person
56:34
to sit there at home and go
56:36
oh let's come back on Frank O'Connor
56:38
Pinto had a crash on a racetrack
56:40
doing the thing they're paying millions of pounds to do
56:42
and he said sorry immediately
56:44
and they both walked away
56:46
happy as Larry without any issue between them
56:48
you know what I'm going to send death threat
56:52
disgusting are you as a person that
56:54
that's your first instinct your first thought to do that
56:56
there should be less
56:58
anonymity when it comes to these things you
57:00
should be held accountable for what you do if you
57:02
say it in the street you'd be held accountable
57:04
for what you are whether that be by
57:06
phoning the authorities would that be
57:08
preferring out of establishment or
57:10
you know depending on where you are
57:12
right hook to the face if you say it to the wrong
57:14
person because that's how people deal with
57:16
stuff but because you sat behind the keyboard
57:20
it's disgusting behavior and
57:22
I do believe that teams
57:24
that drivers themselves that the FIA
57:26
formula one I think they take this very seriously
57:28
but it's one of the few
57:30
things I think they are genuinely powerless to
57:32
do anything about they have no control over
57:34
social media they can't
57:38
or metal whatever it might be to stop
57:40
the comments they will keep coming
57:42
it's genuinely the people who
57:46
non-human non-accessible
57:48
non-available that they could just say
57:50
whatever they want to whenever they want to
57:54
and then it makes you think how do they treat
57:56
someone they do know or
57:58
somewhere else that they see online who isn't as
58:00
strong or surrounded by support
58:02
as a formula one driver who has got
58:04
aimless resource that some people don't have
58:06
it's not okay for them but it's
58:08
especially not okay when it comes to someone who
58:10
maybe doesn't have any support around them so
58:12
as Harry mentioned earlier give your head a
58:14
wobble stop being a vile little human
58:16
being and put your energy into something
58:18
that's genuinely far more useful with life
58:20
also at the end of the day
58:22
it's just a sport it's not that important
58:24
right literally is it going to change your life
58:28
and I think we'll leave that discussion
58:32
one thing I wanted to chat about on
58:34
today's episode given the
58:36
I know we've joked excessively about the
58:38
gap that we've got between
58:40
races at the moment so it's a good opportunity
58:44
and old to the sport
58:48
documentaries books whatever it might be
58:52
I mean it's a good start people if you're listening to this
58:56
run through some of our favourites
58:58
of those that I mentioned
59:00
Harry what would you recommend
59:04
of the listening to listen to
59:08
gosh there are many things I mean
59:12
early contender is rush
59:14
if you've not seen that
59:16
the first thing I would immediately
59:18
the soundtrack alone
59:22
yes the fictionalised
59:24
portrayal of the 1976
59:28
50 year anniversary of that
59:36
immediately after the season ended
59:38
so that one another film but which is
59:40
also a documentary but the center
59:42
documentary which is
59:44
very very good very poignant
59:50
to mention in terms of
59:52
like long form long form stuff
59:54
but there are so many documentaries series
59:56
etc that have gone on I mean
59:58
it like quite an easy one
00:00
but if you're not if you don't have
00:04
get F1 TV and just go into the archive
00:06
and watch some more races like we do
00:10
a very good point Harry
00:12
very good point well made
00:14
yeah I mean rush would be at the top
00:16
of my list again soundtracks phenomenal
00:20
Daniel Brill who plays
00:24
he does a great job
00:26
really great job and
00:28
the final scene is just
00:30
beautiful with the music that they do there
00:32
but the whole film is fantastic and likewise
00:34
Senna was also on my list
00:38
ever been able to watch that without
00:40
like that last scene getting me
00:44
the way they do it it's brilliant
00:46
um what's on your list some
00:48
um obviously you've already ticked
00:50
off a couple so I'll try and give something different
00:52
uh driven with Sylvester Scar I can't say it
00:58
commit to the bit I mean if you want to
01:02
if you want to watch something
01:04
and driven with Sylvester Scar I'm here
01:06
would you like to see 30 backflips
01:08
into the into the lake
01:12
look if you want something entertaining
01:18
maybe try something else um
01:20
I actually think uh Lucky
01:22
which is an eight part series that
01:24
um talks about Bernie Eccleston it's a little bit bias
01:26
in kind of how he came
01:34
imagine um but it's really interesting
01:36
if you want to get context for kind of how he
01:38
was involved in formula he was a huge part
01:40
of formula for so long um but do go
01:42
and watch some of the race reviews that Kate
01:44
featured around that time as well because
01:46
it does give you more of a general context
01:50
interestingly there's one called the silver war
01:52
on I think find it on YouTube
01:54
which is a retelling of the 2016
01:56
season between Hamilton and Rosberg
01:58
um that's very fascinating to hear lots
02:00
of interviews about how that went down
02:04
Brabham that came out in 2020
02:06
which talks about kind of that dynasty
02:08
and what went on with kind of the
02:10
creation of both when the driver was on his own
02:12
became the team that's really fascinating
02:14
and the last one I wanted to call out was
02:16
the obvious one I think which is pretty all of us as well
02:18
but the Keanu Reeves documentary
02:20
in 2009 it's is sensational retelling
02:22
you learn a lot about uh
02:24
what goes on with kind of um the differences
02:26
in the in the teams and the way that
02:28
politically they're aligned as well as not just
02:30
the action that happened on the racetrack as well
02:32
it's a real eye-opener of a
02:34
of a season and the way formula one was back
02:36
then in that kind of that day and age and Keanu Reeves
02:38
tells it fantastically well it's really
02:40
compelling so give it a watch
02:42
It's highly worth it as well for the fact that
02:44
Lucas de Montesembele still ain't over it
02:46
He is no over it man
02:48
He's angry almost 20 years ago Luca come on
02:50
um the last one I was going to shout out as well
02:52
is uh the film the movie Grand Prix
02:58
as a storyline plot
03:00
hash absolutely like nonsense
03:04
forget about it because it's
03:06
they shot it at actual similarly to
03:08
uh the actual f1 movie but better
03:10
um they shot it at an actual race
03:12
weekend in the in the 60s
03:14
and you've got you've got the likes of
03:16
Graham Hill and Jack Stuart trying to do some
03:18
the best acting impressions
03:20
um but it hill is fantastic
03:22
another great one as well yeah that's on
03:26
but yeah I would recommend just for some
03:28
excellent nostalgic
03:34
just just let the the nice pictures
03:36
take over don't think about what's actually
03:40
things I would I'd mention before wrapping
03:42
this up is on f1 tv specifically
03:44
I just love the 1970
03:46
season reviews on there of course
03:48
I do but like they're just
03:50
they're they're quite funny
03:52
in the way they're narrated as well and
03:54
it just gives you a sense of what
03:56
f similar to Grand Prix I guess
03:58
but what f1 was like
04:00
then you will see some things and you're
04:02
like how was that even
04:04
remotely allowed um
04:06
and yet it was the other thing I was
04:08
going to shout out I watched this
04:10
I think very uh I think
04:12
when it came out which was maybe about a
04:14
year ago which is on Netflix
04:16
and it was Mercedes documentary
04:18
about Kimmy Antonelli which was called The Seats
04:20
and it was talking about
04:22
Antonelli and how he was chosen for the
04:24
team it's something I might
04:26
go back and watch because at the time I thought it was
04:28
it was pretty good um if you can get
04:30
past it being a very obvious
04:32
WhatsApp advertisement um
04:34
but it was actually a very good
04:36
documentary but it'd be
04:38
interesting to watch it back now I think given the
04:40
success he's had early this year and they've
04:42
almost been maybe vindicated in
04:44
what they did um but
04:46
it was it was a good one at the time when I watched it so
04:48
it might be interesting to look at it for a
04:50
slightly different lens now he's had at least
04:52
a little bit of success uh last one
04:54
for me um which was
04:56
I've just looked it up it's on BBC4 at the
04:58
moment so uh use a VPN if you're not
05:00
from the UK or if you are watch it there
05:02
it's called um Jim Clark the quiet
05:04
champion and it talks about his life
05:06
and the way he went from being a sheep
05:08
through to being the greatest race driver to
05:10
tragically passing and it's a really
05:12
well told story of an F1
05:14
champion's life that we don't obviously we can't
05:16
understand we can't get involved in we can't
05:18
hear the stories anymore so
05:20
it's really well told so if you've got some time
05:22
give it a watch Jim Clark's so cool
05:24
man it's just cool dude
05:28
I'm a race driver and I'm beating all of
05:30
you every single week like just
05:32
that's cool back to my sheep
05:34
yeah respect to the guy
05:36
respect to the guy um
05:38
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welcome back everyone it's time for F1 higher
06:52
okay F1 higher or lower six
06:54
questions in front of me Sam and Harry will
06:56
take it in turns to have a guess they all
06:58
have numeric answers if they get it spot on
07:00
they get two points but if they don't
07:02
get it right the other person has the opportunity
07:04
to say higher or lower
07:06
and then if they get that right they
07:08
get a point but if the person if they
07:10
get it wrong the person who guessed first gets
07:12
the point Sam we'll start with you
07:14
today what number would you like
07:16
number five please Ben number five
07:18
okay this one's a bit of an
07:20
interesting question
07:22
how many drivers would it take
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you to cover the entire
07:28
what is the smallest number of
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drivers that could cover
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I don't understand the question
07:38
if you had an F1 driver that
07:40
theoretically race from 1950 to
07:44
another one that race from 1991
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until now the correct answer would
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they're tedious link they're like how they
07:52
be on the track at the same time
07:54
essentially basically yeah you've got the
07:56
27 seasons now of F1
07:58
how many drivers would it take
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to cover all of it and the smallest
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possible number okay
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I now understand what's being said
08:06
so for example Fangio did
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four seasons so I need to find
08:10
someone to interact with him to then carry on
08:12
I'm going to go with
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not 19 Harry higher or lower
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it is lower and I have
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manually calculated this so if
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someone wants to tell me I'm wrong
08:30
go ahead you only need five
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the entire history of F1
08:36
what come on who are they
08:38
so you can have and there might be other ways to do this
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but the way I would do that was this you got Morris Trintignan
08:42
everyone's favourite French driver
08:48
you've then got Chris Aiman
08:54
you've then got Petrazy who did
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you've then got Barrichello who did
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and you've got let's say Hamilton who did
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2007 to now so that's just
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five drivers to cover the entire
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if someone out there can think of a way to do it
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in four I'll be impressed but I don't think
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you can it's like the word of
09:22
Harry what number would you like
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how many sprints have been
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won by a driver not named
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higher or lower than that Sam
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he's pretty close regardless
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I'm going to go higher
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it is higher it's 12
09:56
so there have been 25 sprints so far
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Verstappen has won 13 of them
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everyone who's not Verstappen has won 12
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I didn't write them down
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number one please Ben
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number one in all time points
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where does Oscar Piastri rank
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not how many points he got
10:24
but in a list of all drivers
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I'm going to say he is
10:38
Harry higher or lower than that
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it is closer to one
10:54
it's terrifying he's already 18th
11:00
he's higher than some of the grid already
11:04
especially those that have been around
11:06
he's got so many points already
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and with the system as well
11:10
it has to be said that
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we're not going to win now
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whereas a lot of these drivers only operated when
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that's why I thought 43rd was a fair chance
11:18
I think I'm comparing it to the 50s
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he's beat someone else regardless
11:28
number two how many retirements
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does Fernando Alonso have
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the correct answer is not one
11:40
it wasn't the first time
11:44
Sam higher or lower
11:48
it's higher than 43
11:50
Fernando Alonso has
11:54
which in percentage
11:58
one in every five races Alonso has entered
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in his career he's retired from
12:02
he must have one of the
12:04
I mean obviously if you ignore the drivers
12:06
who have gone like four races in their career
12:08
he must have one of the highest percentages of retirements
12:10
yeah I would think so
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I wonder how many of them are from
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being in a car that has a Honda engine as well
12:18
in fact don't tell him that I think he might pop
12:20
don't tell him that he already knows
12:22
he listens to this show every week
12:24
I bet he's just turned off at that
12:40
for how many races has Lewis Hamilton
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led the world championship
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I would say quite a few my bud
12:50
it's not bad show that
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it's correct but it's not what I'm looking for
13:06
well at least it wasn't
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no that's not the correct answer
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Harry higher or lower than 141
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it's a pretty good guess so much 126
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so you're in the ballpark
13:22
which leaves us at Harry 3-2 up
13:24
so if you can get this right Harry
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first what number would you like
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he's so good these days you really come along
13:38
Grand Prix have been held over
13:42
and I'm not looking for circuits
13:44
I'm looking for the actual Grand Prix races
13:50
Sam for the draw higher or lower
13:52
nothing's ever felt more important
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sorry by the Grand Prix
14:08
do you mean like the British Grand Prix
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so it doesn't matter where they've been held
14:14
but it's the name of the race
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I'm going to say higher
14:30
Italy, Britain, Monaco, Belgium, Germany
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the one very unfortunate omission
14:38
which I hated doing but I have to do it
14:40
is the Brazilian GP
14:42
which I think was held 47 times
14:44
but the Sao Paulo Grand Prix
14:46
has been held like 6 times
14:48
I can't get that in my head
14:50
I don't like it either
14:56
Japan has probably done
14:58
it's probably not far off
15:02
it only started in 87
15:04
well after 2 in the 70s
15:06
put a Belgian together
15:08
which means Harry win 4-2
15:16
as we skip Merylion
15:18
to what can only be described
15:20
quite grand tour reference there
15:24
it's time for the greatest segment
15:26
in all of podcasting
15:36
not much to ask about at the moment
15:38
but thank you very much Lanstrol
15:40
who has decided to do some GT3 racing
15:42
we've asked what the actual reason is
15:50
he wants vibes, not vibrations
15:56
for Fernando Alonso
15:58
who has tried to force him to choke his game
16:02
that was a good one
16:08
which is because the trade federation
16:10
is blockading the peaceful planet of Naboo
16:12
over political disputes and trade routes
16:14
I actually watched that film the other day
16:16
was it as good as you remembered
16:18
it wasn't good, the first time I watched it
16:22
that's the first one
16:24
it's the one with Subolba
16:26
unfortunately it's also the one with Jar Jar Binks
16:32
you don't do the Jar Jar Binks impression
16:38
I'm the one person that likes Jar Jar
16:40
you in big doo doo now Jar Jar
16:54
loads of cars aren't going to beach themselves
16:56
in the gravel traps on their own
16:58
he's no gravel traps
17:04
David on Instagram just said
17:06
it's just to feel something
17:08
that's literally it
17:12
a fellow Ben has asked
17:14
he thinks that the higher the number in the category
17:16
the faster the cars
17:18
which in the case of the Aston is true
17:26
he finally gets a shot of a Stappen
17:28
in equal machinery brackets
17:30
he will still get lapsed
17:32
a few here just saying he's bored
17:34
which is probably not far from
17:38
for being honest, just bored of what he's going to do at the moment
17:42
the classic count down is re-emerged
17:44
C and C Mackings has said
17:48
and what I admire is Duke Rainbow
17:50
every single time will reply with
17:52
something and this time he has replied
18:00
I appreciate that dedication
18:04
the last one from me which is relevant to what we've just been
18:06
speaking about to get his ultimate revenge on
18:12
how has this become a phantom menace
18:18
the final one from me is from
18:22
Fernando needs the second car to train his son
18:24
for the 27 championship
18:26
Fernando and Leonard
18:28
he would if he could
18:30
and I'll round things out
18:32
with one from Abby which is
18:34
this is all a distraction so no one notices
18:36
he's about to drop a shock Monaco
18:38
podium out of nowhere
18:42
would he just get Alonso to hold everyone
18:44
up for so long that he would lap everyone
18:48
if Alonso's got the motivation for that this year
18:50
just going to park it sideways on the
18:52
road track and get out
18:56
well Monaco will happen at some point and we'll see
18:58
how that goes thank you very much to everyone
19:00
who submitted an answer on both
19:02
Instagram and on Twitter much appreciated
19:06
another question of the week if someone gives us
19:08
something to use on it
19:12
Sam if you wouldn't mind
19:14
getting us out of here
19:16
folks maybe the question of the week should be
19:18
what should the question of the week be but you know
19:20
you can discuss that in the discord where there's
19:22
over 4,000 of you merrily chatting away
19:24
having a lovely little time
19:26
Ben I hear you might be doing an April quiz
19:28
in the discord there is a quiz
19:30
and I should have wrote down the date
19:32
it started but it's
19:34
thank you that works better than
19:36
it's not this Saturday it's next Saturday
19:40
British time so you can
19:42
you can work out what that equates to
19:44
wherever you are in the world
19:46
but yes about an hour of
19:48
multiple choice quizzing fun
19:50
and if you don't have fun
19:54
that's not our problem
19:56
James Hunt probably loves British time
19:58
but he absolutely loves it
20:00
that's the quiz in the late breaking discord
20:04
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