You Won’t Believe What These Cars Cost! | Ep 75 | Drive Torque Podcast
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Renault Twingo
The Renault Twingo is a small car designed for city driving. It was first introduced in 1992 and has become well-known for its distinctive look and usefulness in crowded areas.
Concept
ADAS systems
ADAS systems are technologies in cars that help drivers by making driving safer and easier. They include things like automatic braking and lane-keeping assistance, but they can make cars more expensive to produce.
Concept
passenger and pedestrian safety systems
These are safety features in cars that help protect people inside the car and those outside it, like pedestrians. They can include things like airbags and systems that detect when someone is in the way, but they also make cars more expensive to build.
Term
LFP battery
LFP batteries are a type of battery used in electric cars. They are known for being safe and lasting a long time.
Car
Renault 5
The Renault 5 is a small car that was made by the French company Renault. It was popular in Europe for its unique look and size.
Car
Alpine A290S
The Alpine A290 is a small sports car that is made to be light and fun to drive. It's interesting because it brings back the Alpine brand, which has a history of making exciting cars.
Car
Audi Etron
The Audi e-tron GT is a stylish electric car that offers a mix of luxury and performance, representing Audi's move towards electric vehicles.
Car
Volkswagen Golf
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car that is very popular because it's practical and fun to drive.
Car
Renault R5
The Renault R5 is an older model of a small car that Renault made. It was popular in Europe and is known for its unique look.
Car
Citroën Ami
The Citroën Ami is a tiny electric car made for driving in cities. It's designed to be fun and easy to use in crowded areas.
Car
Citroen Amis
The Citroen AMI is a tiny electric car made for driving around in cities. It's simple and easy to use, making it a good choice for short trips.
Car
Ford Capri
The Ford Capri is an old sporty car that many people loved back in the day. It was popular because it looked good and was fun to drive without costing too much money.
Car
Nissan Micra
The Nissan Micra is a small car that's easy to drive and park, making it popular in cities. It's designed to be fuel-efficient and practical for everyday use.
Car
Volkswagen Golf GTI
The Volkswagen Golf GTI is a fun and sporty version of the regular Golf car. The Mk4 is one of the older versions, and this particular model had a smaller engine that didn't have as much power as some other GTIs.
Term
Mk4
Mk4 is a way to label the fourth version of the Volkswagen Golf car. Each version has improvements and changes from the previous one.
Term
two-litre
Two-litre means the engine of the car is two liters in size. This size can be good for fuel efficiency, but in this case, it didn't have much power.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and more powerful the car can be.
Term
NA (Naturally Aspirated)
Naturally aspirated means the engine gets air naturally from the environment without any help from a turbo or supercharger. This can make the car feel more responsive but usually means it has less power than turbocharged engines.
Term
over-engineered
Over-engineered means that something is made with more care and better materials than really needed. This can make it last longer but might also make it more expensive.
Car
Volkswagen Passat
The Volkswagen Passat is a family car that is comfortable and has a lot of space inside. People like it because it's reliable and good for everyday driving.
Car
Ford Fiesta
The Ford Fiesta is a small car that many people have owned. The 'Mark One' is the first version of this car that was made, and it was known for being easy to drive and budget-friendly.
Term
piston rings
Piston rings are parts inside an engine that help keep the engine running smoothly. If they break, the engine can have serious issues, like using too much oil or not working properly.
Part
K&N air filters
K&N air filters are special filters that help your car's engine get more air, which can make it run better. They can be cleaned and used again instead of being thrown away.
Car
Toyota Celica
The Toyota Celica is a small sports car made by Toyota. It was known for being fun to drive and came in different styles and engines during its production years.
Car
Nissan Silvia
The Nissan Silvia Turbo is a sporty car that has a turbocharged engine, which means it uses a device to increase power and performance. It's known for being fun to drive and is often modified by car fans.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a part that helps the engine get more air, which makes it more powerful. It helps the car go faster and can improve how well it uses fuel.
Car
Porsche Boxster
The Porsche Boxster is a two-seater sports car made by Porsche. It's known for being fun to drive and has a convertible top, so you can enjoy the open air.
Car
BMW G87
The BMW G87 M2 is a new model of a small sports car from BMW. It's designed for people who love driving fast and want a fun car that looks good and performs well.
Car
Bmw M
The BMW M Coupe (E36) is a special sports car from the late 1990s that looks different from most cars. It's loved by fans because it combines everyday usability with a fun driving experience.
Car
BMW M4
The BMW M4 is a fast sports car that is designed for performance. It's built by BMW's special M division, which makes cars that are more powerful and fun to drive.
Term
S58
The S58 is a powerful engine made by BMW that is used in their sportier cars like the M2, M3, and M4. It has two turbochargers, which help it produce a lot of horsepower.
Car
BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty car that comes from a regular car called the 3 Series. People talk about it because it's fun to drive and can be used every day, but it also performs really well on racetracks.
Car
BMW E60
The BMW E60 is a model of the 5 Series, which is a line of luxury cars made by BMW. This generation was made between 2005 and 2010 and is recognized for its stylish design and good performance.
Car
Maserati MC20
The Maserati MC20 is a fast and stylish sports car made by Maserati. It has a powerful engine and is designed for performance and luxury.
Car
Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is a very famous and powerful sports car that was made a long time ago. People love it because it looks amazing and is super fast, plus it was the last car that the founder of Ferrari, Enzo Ferrari, helped design.
Car
Rolls-Royce Cullinan
The Rolls-Royce Cullinan is a super fancy SUV that offers a lot of luxury and comfort. It's special because it's the first SUV from Rolls-Royce, a brand known for making very expensive and high-quality cars.
Car
Honda S2000
The Honda S2000 is a small, two-seat convertible sports car that is loved for how fun it is to drive. It has a powerful engine that can go really fast and is known for being very responsive on the road.
Car
Maserati Mc
The Maserati MC12 is a rare and powerful sports car that was made for both driving on the road and racing. It's known for its unique look and is special because not many were made.
Car
Ferrari Daytona
The Ferrari Daytona SP3 is a new super fancy sports car that looks back at some of Ferrari's classic race cars. It's really high-tech and powerful, making it a big deal among car fans.
Car
Ferrari SP1
The Ferrari SP1 is a very special open-top sports car that looks really cool and is part of a series that celebrates Ferrari's history. It's super fast and unique, making it a favorite among car collectors.
Car
BMW 730D
The BMW 7 Series is a big, fancy car that is packed with high-tech features and is very comfortable to ride in. It's BMW's top model, showing off what the brand can do in terms of luxury.
Car
Lancia Delta
The Lancia Delta is a small car that was really popular in the past, especially because it did well in racing. The special version called the Delta Integrale is loved by fans for how well it drives.
Car
Chevrolet C5
The Chevrolet Corvette is a famous sports car from America that looks cool and goes really fast. The C5 model is especially popular because it offers great performance without being too expensive compared to other super fancy cars.
Car
Jaguar Xe
The Jaguar XE is a small luxury car that is designed to be stylish and fun to drive. It's a good choice for people who want a nice car that feels sporty but also has a touch of class.
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I didn't realize we're recording. We're recording. Oh no. Hey guys,
so welcome to the Drive Talk podcast, powered by Michelin.
He's a kick in once again. I don't know what you mean. We're just
giving you lots of love. He's an owl. He's an owl.
Well, I think before we kick each other in anymore, I would just
like to say before we really officially start this podcast, I
know God. Yeah. Whoa, whoa, whoa. When? Today?
Well, the day after it goes out. Yes, today on the internet. Yeah.
Yeah. 30. Oh, wow. Yeah. I remember what it was like to be 30.
Don't you, Joe? God, man.
I do. It genuinely does not feel like that long ago.
Well, it was decades ago for you two, wasn't it?
Hey, mate, listen. On a serious note.
Don't be nice. Oh, sorry. He said not to kick you. I thought you
said the opposite. No, I'm a serious note. When I was 30, the
internet didn't really exist.
Oh, God. Wow.
Well, I remember I'm old enough to remember dial up internet. Joe,
we actually had this conversation in the in the car. We'll talk
about our trip later to Germany. But yeah, we had this conversation
in the car about I kind of bridged a gap between a generation
that had smartphones and phones on them 24 seven was as a kid for
me, I remember dial up internet, you know, you got a phone in the
afternoon or evening, see your mum could tell you to come in for
dinner. But I was outside playing football before playing video
games or tiktok or Instagram or Facebook. I remember when that
all came in. So I do feel old too, if it's any consolation to you
too. Mate, you'll feel old when when I was a kid growing up, my
mum and dad had a rotary dial landline phone. Yeah, yeah. Remember
those? And they used to put like a little padlock on the rotary
dial so that it wouldn't work until six o'clock when the tariff
change happened. Is that a real thing? Yeah. Yeah. You couldn't
use it during the day because it was expensive. Oh, that's
amazing. Yeah.
So guys, we've got loads of stuff to talk about. It seems like
forever we since we last talked actually. Well, we've all been
really busy, haven't we? You guys were literally together last
week, but it's just this this year's flying by absolutely
flying by. I only know that because while I was away in
Italy last week, I got a phone call from Tracy in mid panic
because the heating had stopped working like the boiler wasn't
firing up. So I'm like, I don't know. And she goes, have we got
oil on? Yeah, we got loads of oil. It's fine. And anyway, we got
a heating engineer to come out to the boiler, couldn't get it to
fire up. It was dark obviously at that time. This is a Sunday
evening. I go in the next day, dip the oil tank, we got no oil
right because I water some right. So I went through my text and I
realized that I'd ordered oil in November and I said to Tracy
went, let's find out what is it in November? We should have
loads and she went last November. It's November next
week. It's a year since you've ordered oil. I'm like, oh my
God. How how is that a year? This year's gone so fast. I know
it's scary, isn't it? It's properly scary. Properly scary.
The fact Christmas decorations up in the shops. Oh yeah. Well
Chris, yeah, crazy. Christmas is next month. We all had our
podcast meeting. Was it last November when we all went to
the fish hotel? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was I mean, that was a
year ago. I mean, in a way that does feel like quite long ago,
but not a year. Wow. Yeah, life is life is flying. I know.
Well, talking of something that was just about 30 years ago,
I had to quickly Google this to check. The Renault Twingo came
out in 1992. It was when it was first released. Look at this.
For 30 years later, we've got a new one that Pete, you went
and saw. We have, yeah. And in my so I was literally just last
week. So I was living in Paris when the Twingo launched and
you'd see loads of them. Well, we didn't get we didn't get the
first generation Twingo in the UK. You might have seen a few
when people bought them and drove them over left hand ones
and stuff. But it was only from Jen. I think there's three
generations of Twingo. We got the second and third ones, which
were a bit rubbish. But the first gen Twingo we didn't get.
But yes, there is a new Renault Twingo and I have to say it's
absolutely mega. It's really, really cool. I don't know what
they're feeding the Renault design engineers at the moment,
the design teams because the last five years they've been on
fire with Renault five, then Renault four and now Twingo. It's
the same platform. It's the AMPR platform it's based on.
We've got automatic number plate recognition platforms.
Nothing. Yeah, I know. It's impressive, isn't it? Yeah.
Yeah. So they've they they're really cool thing actually. So
a segment car sales and we've not really talked about this but
a segment car sales have kind of died a bit over the last few
years and a lot of manufacturers are pulling out of a segment
altogether for the reason that they're very expensive to make
because cost of materials has gone up. They need all of these
ADAS systems and passenger and pedestrian safety systems
and it makes them very expensive to make and then you try and sell
them because they're a small car it's very difficult to get any
decent margin out of it. So that's why a lot of manufacturers have
basically stopped making them. Right. But Renault were like no,
we can make an A segment car. We're going to bring back Twingo
and they set themselves three challenges. They wanted to
bring the car in on a budget of so it would cost less than £20,000.
They wanted to design from from first if you like sketch on a
piece of paper to delivery in less than two years and it
it wanted to be made in Europe and they did it. They made it
from from initial sketch to production in under 100
months. So is it actually 100 weeks? Sorry. Is it actually
almost ready for production then? Is it that car? It is although it
won't come to market till 2027. Okay. Yeah. So it's ready but it
doesn't come to market for another year. But yeah, they've
just unbelievable really and and they because they've changed
all of their processes and stuff. It's made in is it Slovenia,
I think? Yeah. So it's in Europe. The battery is an LFP
battery and that is made in China, I think. But the rest of the
car is assembled in Europe and it's just a cool thing. They've
kind of looked at the old Twingo and all the things that were
cool about the old Twingo which now with kind of you know 30,
40 years down the line, we look back with rose tinted glasses
but they've just they've kept the lights. They've kept the
there's like a little three vents on the bonnet of the original
Twingo. They've kept those. I don't know if you remember the
old Twingo. They have like a little red the red emergency
flasher button was on the top of the dashboard in the old
Yes. Yeah. They've kind of they've kept that. It's just really
cool. I mean it looks a picture you you've sent us. It looks
super cool. Obviously, this is just before the embargo but
so we but that's the only picture we can see but it looks
amazing. It's cool. I have to I have to say hats off to I know
the internet thinks I hate electric cars but I do love I
do love small electric cars and when I went around the Alps
in France on my motorbike in August, I can't tell you how
many Renault Fives and Alpine A290s I spotted which is
probably no massive surprise because I was in France but
they were you know they they were regular and frequent and
I love what Renault have done and I think you know you said
you're not sure what they're feeding their designers but I
think they're actually just saying to their designers
design something that you think is cool and helps back to our
history or looks back at cool because you look at so many
manufacturers nowadays. You look at Audi for instance and
their latest designs. I mean what are they doing? Where are
they going? Yeah, the the e-tron GT looks cool but a lot of
the other stuff they're producing just looks so bland and
boring and that goes for a lot of the Volkswagen group in
general. I know Volkswagen have brought out that concept
electric car that I forget what they call it the new Golf
you'd probably know more about but they showed that SMMT day
two or three years ago they're still talking about when it
might come out but it's like that's all very well and good
but when the Chinese can turn things around so quickly
you've got to at least half compete with them and that's
what Renault seems to be doing. They're actually you know they're
doing it fast. Yeah yeah well that's what you just said. They
didn't start work on the Twingo until after the R5 came out.
Yeah brilliant and that's what they've got to do that's the
only way it's going to and people are going to buy that car I
could you know look at it. Yeah it's quirky. It's quirky, it's
fun, a bit like the Ami. I mean you know the Amis are the same
breath. Arguably French cars have got this benefit of their
past because if you look back at the history or lineage of
of of French cars throughout the years they've always been
quirky and weird right. They've always been a bit different.
They've always had some great features sometimes but other
times you'd be like you know you look back now and you think
they're cool but at the time some of the stuff that came out
you'd be like what is that? Like how did they come up with
that? It was so French in a sense right? Like it was so
synonymous to France and yeah they're lucky that they've got a
they're harking back to a history of of really interesting
stuff. Ford could have done the same thing and instead they
made a you know a chocolate box capri so yeah we were talking
about that at the launch but you know because they're if you're
going to bring back a name and and I heard it was only a couple
of weeks ago that these names and one of the reasons why
manufacturers are bringing them back is if you don't use a name
for I think it's 25 years you can't effectively lose the
rights to that name so in some of these cases I'm pretty sure
manufacturers are just bringing them back to to make them be
able to use the name again but the French that the Renault
have done it brilliantly with R5, R4 and and Twingo. Yeah you
can't be careful with the with the name though because you
can't just put Ford Capri on a on a on a pile of crap. It's a
sports it's a sports electric SUV I'll have you know but
that's the thing if they made the Ford Capri you know a a
saloon or like a you know two-door four-door saloon thing
people will be like oh yeah makes sense Twingo looks like a
Twingo. I imagine I'm looking at that picture Pete with you
standing next to it that door's very long it looks quite a bit
bigger than an old Twingo but the ethos is still the same all
cars have expanded this is the smallest of the lineup. Yeah well
it's it's it's a five door not a three door for a start. Oh
yeah. Oh hang on is there a door so there's a there's a door
sorry I'm I was going to say that's the world's longest door
if it was a single door. Just put that put that photo up on
the YouTube. Yeah I'll use this photo because it's funny I
thought it was the thing I was like that is a huge door. Yeah
no the the other cool thing is the seats in the back like the
bent seat moves up and down so if you need to put loads of
luggage in you can pull it forward and that's the old
Twingo did that but this one they've split the bent seat in
two so you can have one forward and one back which is
really just lots of little things but yeah a good a good a
good car and I think they're going to sell loads of them.
Do you know who I am worried about and when you first
flashed up a photo of this on your phone peak before we
started recording I thought it was the new Nissan Micra or
oh the Nissan 5 you mean. Yeah so that's what I was going
with this I think Renault they've obviously got their
personality back they've got these French designs that we
kind of know and love and they're coming back and we
think they're all brilliant Nissan being part of the same
group still if I'm correct or obviously taking those
platforms unfortunately the Micra did used to have
somewhat of a personality in the early 2000s my dad had
like a 2003 bubbly looking Micra and you know it had its
own little personality now the the Nissan Micra that's
just been launched or at least announced is it just looks
like a knock off Renault 5 because it's kind of what it
is right so it is I mean I did I went to the launch of
that it does have quite a lot of original Micra quirk in
but it is yes a Renault 5 in fact to the point where if you
look really carefully at the glass there's little French
cockles on the glass because it's exactly the same glass as
the Renault 5 so yeah yeah so I worry if on a on a yeah if
what you know what I'm what a Nissan gonna make that's a
that's a twingo basically right like they're gonna they're
gonna have to steal we talk about these brand surviving
against the Chinese they're almost gonna force like with
the Renault 5 they're kind of forced to make Nissan
equivalents but it's gonna eventually kill Nissan yeah but
you gotta remember that the the markets that we're in in the
UK yeah of course 90% of people are gonna buy the Renault but
in places like Japan or Australia or a lot of Asia where Renault
aren't massive then they're probably gonna buy yeah the
Nissan wins yeah so it's a very market dependent I think
over here that Renault is gonna be the the dominant one but
yeah there's more to the world than just the UK I think that
that's probably that's my prediction on on that on that
idea because yeah it makes no sense otherwise does it it's
like why would you buy the Nissan but yeah but um but yeah
anyway well hats off to um to to to Renault for for for for
keeping it original um and you look at that and you do the
first thing to me that springs to mind is why didn't Volkswagen
build like imagine Volkswagen did the Mark 1 Golf like they
imagine the Mark 1 Golf how cool would that be and it's like Mark
5 Golf I mean that'd be cool wouldn't it uh well you're
probably trying to be funny but you if you don't know it would
have been it would have been the Mark 4 Golf but yeah is it Mark
4 oh I didn't I didn't I should have listened harder on your on
your video because yeah segue in too yes there are many things
that Joe does and sometimes Joe and Pat does that they kind of
forget to share with me like going away last week our first time
I hear about it is looking at their socials but I opened up
YouTube a couple of weeks ago was it maybe a week ago and I'm
like oh oh my god Joe's bought his old car back I didn't he
didn't mention that at all well well firstly thanks for being
the one of about eight people who watched that video appeared I
really appreciate it now it's nine it's nine yeah I checked just
before it came on air yeah I bought my old car back um it's uh
it's an interesting story and I'm not going to bore you about it
now too much but um but obviously I I talk a lot about it in
that video and the story behind it but essentially I only
bought my first car in 2004 which was a year after I moved back
from Australia because I lived in Australia for four years and uh
and it was a Mark 4 Golf GTI which sounds punchy for your
first car but it was a two-litre gutless version which
essentially in most markets was just the golf match but in the
UK because we're obsessed with trims and stuff um they badged
it up as the GTI and it was the affordable GTI at the time
had a two-litre four-cylinder in it NA that produced 115 horsepower
and anyone at and anyone that knows the Mark 4 Golf knows
that it was an over-engineered car that's why you still see a
lot on the roads but it weighed an absolute ton and it actually
by today's standards it's still not like well I think it's about
1400 kilos so it's about 100 kilos lighter than a Mark 8.5 with
a Golf R you know that has so much more under the skin
so it was never fast definitely wasn't a GTI but it was a cool car
all the same and uh I sold it to uh I sold it to a guy called
Charlie in 2000 2006 April 2006 um he has kept the car for the
past 19 plus years and every year sent me an update of how it's
going and what he's using it for and over the years it started
off as his daily everyday car he's had a family since um and
then it became their second and sort of third car and his run
around in London and then for the past 18 months it's uh been
sitting at his parents farm because it died uh and it was
uneconomically repairable really in his head it was like it
would have cost me 600 quid for the new clutch and so I wasn't
sure what to do with it it was going to scrap it and I thought
you know what let's let's try and save it let's buy it back and
see so I've I've bought the car back off him uh and um that's
about as far as the story's gone so far publicly but
essentially our good friends at Elite Garages who are good
friends of Michelin UK who sponsor the podcast um those guys
and girls have uh taken on the challenge of bringing it back
to life and that's basically where the next episode will be
um but I'm hoping that it will be fixed and sorted by let's say
Christmas time and um and yeah and then I'll see where I take it
from there because it's pretty bruised and battered uh and it
needs a lot more love than just the mechanical side of things
but um but yeah I thought it was going to be a really good
story uh and people seem to have loved the video but it just
yeah for whatever reason YouTube is YouTube as we all know
YouTube is YouTube mate oh that sounds wicked though are you
going to like stage three it and track it and that
it would be quite funny turning up to a track day in it I mean it's
going to be really horrendously slow but maybe you know what on
a wet winter track day it would actually be quite funny I mean
it's on it's not it's on Michelin surprise surprise uh it's on
some new Michelin rubber which is always nice but they are I
think primacy fours so not your track day focus tire but still
that would be quite funny you've now yes maybe that'd be fun if I
could overtake someone on a track day and that thing then uh I
would be very impressed I'll tell you what what we'll do we'll
get Pat to bring the Ami along you're bound to be able to
overtake that yeah you can overtake I'll take the Passat
that'd be even better about the same power up but and uh yeah you
can you can overtake me in that or ped could bring his spider
because that would just sit in the car park uh
hey it's getting it's it's going on a trip tomorrow I'm going to
Derby tomorrow and it thanks oh nice I wonder who are in Derby
say no more
yeah Pete what was your what was your first car because I've
still got my first car I never sold it oh wow uh I had a mark one
Fiesta 1300 gear four four and I honestly meant in the gear that's
exactly the same yes package yeah it was I got I mean everyone
used to take the piss so badly because I had to mention the
fact it was a gear yeah it hasn't changed at all no you've been
the same because the beginning what color was it it was white
and I blew it up uh like dark brown velour oh no chocolate brown
yeah not um but yeah no I bought it and it was like some old lady
had owned it and I blew its piston rings within about two weeks
because I don't think it had ever been revved over about 4 000
rpm I like it in it and red line it and piston rings went so I had to
rebuild the engine so it put kent fast road cams in it and knn air
filters and and and upgraded the um horsepower to 65 and oh
oh that's great wow and what was its demise or what did you
replace it with what happened to it at the end so you rebuilt its engine so it
came back well and then I sold it and I bought um a silica a Toyota silica
oh um and uh that was a bit shit basically um I remember it was three and a half
thousand pound it was the mark three the sort of round the iconic rally one
that they made the GC4 no the one before that so the yeah no the one before that
so the I had I had a round one of which I had a couple years later
um but yeah um it yeah because it was an automatic
oh oh that would have been a terrible auto box back then as well it was
terrible it's just yeah speed or something I was terrible
uh so yeah uh but yeah and then I got rid of that because I bought it and then
realized I couldn't afford it so I then sold it and bought a nissan
nissan silvia turbo oh yeah that's more interesting one it was much more cool
um that was 1800 pounds and that one blew its turbo
surprisingly um and then I got a Renault 19 1.4 energy
oh I thought you were gonna say a 60 I don't know why it called I don't know why it was
called a 1.4 energy because the one thing it didn't have was energy
yeah it was just terrible but we just I just bought my first house
so that was definitely uh and then I sold that because my girlfriend at the time
had a guy in her office was selling a silica he bought a Boxster and the
garage gave him a really rubbish trade-in value so I bought his white
silica so that was the next markup the round color science one
yeah no yeah it's my potted car history and but yeah
yeah so good so I buy I am I want YouTube so anyone who's not watched Joe's
Golf GTI collection video did you film that yourself yes yeah yeah what you must have
driven in and out of that farm about five times oh yeah yeah well thankfully Charlie
uh it was the guy that sold it to me he was very accommodating and um he was doing the
driving bits and yeah it was uh yeah yeah but it was a great day yeah so talking
of elite garages you've done another video with them but it's not come out
yeah are we allowed to talk about that what we were doing next week last week
no because I'm I'm so far behind I'm so bad at the moment that it's a long way
behind but let's just say it's another keep them out for it it's another mileage
video but it's not in the same mileage sense as the Passat video that was also
elite garages so tune in November 2026 to Joe's YouTube channel and that video
will be live because it'll be great yeah when you run out of oil next for your
central heating that's when uh yeah exactly yeah
yeah well we don't know why we have that on the list then because we can't talk
about it okay no what no you said Germany I mean
yeah so Pat and I went to Germany last week as part of that video but um
but I suppose one thing that is worth uh mentioning when we're out there
is uh well we saw Misha he sends us love to to you pet and and um
oh cool and the director of audience um and we also we went to see Volca
Volcom Alpha which is his company which is obviously
massive now I mean he's done so much since we were out there
filming the podcast which was called see we also had a coffee at Race Treso
a winter yeah if you're in the know about being
a winter special was lovely yeah winter special was uh was pretty special
um but we we also when we're being up uh in Munich we went to see um
Elias one uh one of the Red Bull Drift Brothers and look at there we filmed a
quick video on on one of on their brand new G87 M2 drift car
which was very very special I mean there's loads about it already on like
on on their platforms and on BMW M platforms but
it's a very special little car very cool looking thing isn't it Pat like
um yeah yeah it's the the the kit they've got on it the body kit the way it's
been when we first saw it actually it was before
Elias had turned up we popped popped down this or the car
we were like how does it have the it looked quite normal on its wheels like
how does it have the steering angle and yeah Joe's video will go into detail
as exactly how they've made it look so not stock but modified yet it is a
competition ready drift car and so it's got a lot of parts stolen off of
stolen but taken from the M2 race cars that exist
um yeah and yeah it's uh it's a very special thing how much power did you say
it had Joe just like it was like a few hundred more than normal wasn't it
yeah just uh 1100 at the moment yeah because that's the thing about drift
cars they need shed loads of power don't they yeah yeah yeah and then
I was going to say the the component tree of the engine was the thing that
blew me away and again the video will go into more detail but Joe you can kind
of give what what parts were not stock there wasn't very many was there
no I mean as with their M4s that they've run for a couple years
they because they work alongside BMW M
the a lot of the components including the engine
is mostly stock and I remember when I did a video
or met the guys three or four years ago at Red Bull Ring
and they had their M4s that were running about 1100 horsepower
and they said to me the majority of our engine is stock and it doesn't sound
stock because it's like you know there's no
cats it's straight through pipes and all the rest of it but
but yeah the majority like the block the cylinders the
most of the electronics uh within the engine like all of it's
basically stock and it's just like and and BMW M say that they're happy I
think for the engine to run up to about 1300 horsepower the block is
they reckon wow and bear in mind that's the same
S58 that you get in any you know every single M2 M3 and M4 that's on sale
today and they're all sitting at just over 500 horsepower so you think
they could all run happily twice that amount of power
and deal with it as we've seen in various M3 Tourings that are running a
thousand horsepower leaving caffeine in the machine
but but you have to not drive like you don't have to you have to make sure you
don't drive like a total and utter bell end and then you maybe stay on the road
yeah yeah yeah
well I mean
that that kind of thing right so that video just
wound me up so much yeah I think it's uh I think it's it's um
there are a lot of yeah there are a lot of levels to talk about with this
particular incident and I'm sure most people listening or watching have
seen the incident happened a couple of weeks ago
someone leaving caffeine in the machine down there you what is it what's that
one called the the hut the hut uh well I presume they were leaving there
they could have been going down the street we didn't but I believe they were at
the at the event it was being held or the meat
now I guess if if this had happened 15 20 years ago it wouldn't have been
no one would have caught it on camera whatever else
also you know we all do occasionally silly things
but that was not you know that was that was a a blatant on purpose slide I mean
the arguably the guy in front uh in the e 60 and five that was the worst attempt
it I mean that that should have been that guy should be
should have his license taken away from him from such a bad attempt because he
had clearly had it clearly had traction he must have been like
he must have been like oh thank god he's messed up because that otherwise he'd
have been an internet sensation you were being so rubbish
exactly yeah exactly so it was just horrific I mean it literally slipped
about two inches before the traction kicked in but then his mate behind
in the m3 touring um at least started the drift well but what you've got what
we it's a public road that's a busy junction it's leaving caffeine a machine
who have a motto of don't be a dick like I've got a t-shirt that actually says
don't it's yeah it's don't be a dick isn't it um yeah and and and the biggest
challenge they've had since they started well over what's it been six seven years
ago um it's just people driving like dicks leaving turning up and leaving
their premises because obviously with a venue like they've got or venues like
they've got the council and the and the local um neighbors are just constantly
throwing stones at them trying to get them closed down for whatever right so
that's why they just don't want people being irresponsible in in in their premises now I
think there's two problems here is one is he was obviously driving like a dick and it bit him
like a dick um and then he drove away whatever else but that was one thing that angered people
um and and you know like I've I've had my own sort of uh uh experience to a different extent
of that back in 2018 when I was you know people were talking about my speeding incident and yes
some would argue that it wasn't really an incident start with and it shouldn't have been
but regardless you know I went over the speed limit I certainly copped a lot of flak at the time
and continued to do so occasionally but so I understand that but for me what really pissed
me off personally was the the owner Brad it was his initial response to it almost it was he he
almost took responsibility but didn't and the way he ended it with I'll be back with a bigger
and stronger car whatever is where you can't see that now because he's made his profile
private but it was just his response rather than just going I was a dick and I shouldn't have done
that if he'd done that I would have well I wouldn't have even wanted to talk about it today because
it's like you know what he was an idiot he put his hands up but it was his response and
I'm sorry to stereotype it but it's always the sort of people it's it's there's a big group of
people that race their cars in straight lines in the UK and across the world and it's usually it's
a lot of the time it's those people that just act like dicks on the road um they never take
their cars on track they take them on to runways and it's all about straight line but it's like
it's just it's such an egotistical sport let's go it he didn't do a great job of driving it in
the straight line they didn't know the corner was the first bit and then it went straight and he
still couldn't manage to get it on a straight line I know it was it was a shame and then and then
his mate it's empty the other M3 touring guy then he I don't know if you saw the collaboration
post that he did where he then complained about the fact that it wasn't because he's not getting
the views he's searching the views he can't get the views he can't get the views I just like the
whole thing was just like what is this this is just pathetic like seriously you're just making it
worse um and then as a result yeah it's all seemed to have disappeared now or been taken
but the the other thing is as I discovered with my incident was the police if they actually want
to investigate and they want to come down on you they don't need too much evidence but a lot of
time they seem to turn a blind eye but I mean we've got various camera angles to the car we've
got a number plate of the car he didn't have one on the front but he had one on the back and obviously
that was the main angle that I saw you've then got him posting it saying that he did it and he had
I mean that's it like the surely we know where it is we know where it is we know what days it was
we know everything about the incident that's all the police need I mean they don't need half of
that to prosecute you and in my head that was dangerous driving on the public road um and
I don't know what's going to happen but I would I would expect and suspect that that you know he
is going to get done for dangerous driving because I don't understand what how you couldn't with that
sort of it wasn't a little slide it wasn't a little it was you know a proper it would be maybe
three or four years ago now there was a similar film of a guy leaving Goodwood in a Ferrari
yeah and he went up the road and he hit second gear torque kicked in and it went and he didn't
hit anything but he went up on the verge and nearly hit the car coming the other way today
just driving yeah so you know quite rightly so and you know I think a lot of it comes down to
intent and circumstantially and this is why caffeine machine don't want people doing this
around their premises is that you're coming from a car show potentially or you're coming from a
location in which cars are celebrated and so the intent of coming out of that junction and doing
a bit of a bit of a slide with people filming is is to show off right that's yeah dangerous driving
if if he go around a blind bend and yeah kept too much power on and lost the back and then try to
collect it or whatever and then you know that's potentially driving about due current attention
you weren't aware of the road conditions or you weren't aware of how tight that corner is
it's different but I think yeah the intent here to you know a proper watch this moment
which is massively backfired he's then tried to go well you guys shouldn't be putting me down
like you know I just crushed my car like you know stop coming at me it's like well no actually I
think you got exactly what you deserved and yeah for other people to back him up I think is just
like he said I think Joe's right in a sense there is a world out there that that thinks this is the
right way to celebrate being into cars and you know whether it's road racing or or trying to
drift on the road and stuff it's not the time or the place and places like caffeine machine can't
afford for these things to happen near their premises because all it takes now is for the
person on the other side of the road that was scared had a family in the car whatever complained to
the council the council comes to caffeine machine they have to have a meeting all of a sudden caffeine
machines closed down in wherever that location is right like it's yeah it's those small things or
those exact examples and what was nice to see though Joe is because we were going through the
comments on the trip is it seems like everybody agreed with us it nobody was letting him off lightly
that's only turned the comments off yeah well yeah it's only prize on his instagram but
he was being a dick caffeine machines say don't be a dick so you get what you deserve like yeah
he's private on his instagram but yeah hopefully that doesn't hide what happened from the police and
they can do with it how they wish I think the bit for me is that we all we love car culture and
and those types of places where you can get together whether it's caffeine a machine or
there's loads of kind of that kind of style venue all over the UK and the people who start those and
and I had a bit of experience of this oh good few years ago with the guys that had the B road
hunting club they had a couple of venues that were effectively closed down or weren't sustainable
because of local complaints and it doesn't take very many and you look at the guys behind caffeine
a machine and the investment in that venue is significant and and it it it's all put at peril
by somebody being a dick and you know I I've got another video that I commented on
in a facebook group about three weeks before now it didn't end up in a crash but I came out
a caffeine a machine in a new gt3 rs stopped on the road put it in launch control and did a full
launch control on the road same thing for him total dick you know he didn't crash he didn't
hurt anybody it wasn't arguably dangerous driving but it's just it's it's not thoughtful and it you
know that's that's the thing that annoys me he can go on crashes m3 touring all he wants I really
don't care as long as he doesn't hurt somebody else he needs to go and get some talent that can
actually you know handle a car like that but it's it's all the other people that it affects
the staff there the people that enjoy it whatever it might be it's just he did I think he is quite
talented because on his instagram page before he made it private he had a he had a truck he was
there holding a trophy because I think he won a straight line race um you know it's really
the really difficult ones the ones who you just got to sort of go in a straight line
so he won yeah he won a trophy there but he was just practicing for the corners but
no I joke but yeah it's it is a pity to see it is frustrating to see and I think like I said we
all make mistakes but if you're that person don't don't don't don't try and take pity about it and
don't try and make excuses for it or say you're coming back stronger because there is no like
I've been at that traffic lights in fact wear his car veered off into the into the hedges
mtree that's what it was called that people are nicknamed mtree not not not but where he went off
there I've been at that traffic lights about three or four cars back on my motorbike uh going down
see Chris only like a month ago or something and actually if you if you you've got a caffeine
machine on the left you've got the petrol station and then there's a motorbike meet that's been there
for years way before the machine loomies so you've got bikers everywhere I mean that's your worst
case a cyclist or a biker or pedestrian um if if they were there when that car came spearing into them
you know you'd be lucky to walk away with you'd be lucky to hobble away with a broken leg let alone
worse if there was a woman or a man or parents with a push chair and a baby in it just you know
crossing the road there's that's when that's when you've got to think you know oh it could have been
really really bad uh and not just really really embarrassing um so yeah but anyway that's I think
I'm glad we covered it we've vented we've vented we've vented and um and I just hope that you know
he learns from it I'm I'm doubtful he will um and uh and yeah others learn from it as well
like I said we've all been there if you see a camera leaving when I was younger you see cameras
pointing at you when you leave you know it's very tempting to do something idiotic but just remember
I forget the saying but you can yeah if you if you pulled off something cool and great it's not
going to do your street cred much because people are still going to hate you for doing a slide or
whatever but when it goes wrong which is most likely you know it's going to backfire big time
and uh I think his biggest problem slightly to be is if anyone from his insurance company sees that
footage yeah he's not making a claim on that car is he and the likelihood of him having a successful
claim on that car is zero yeah and even if he thinks he can repair it himself and maybe not
claim an insurance if his insurance see that again it's still going to invalidate your assurance
just because you haven't claimed on it or the other one is um a bit like Ricky had a few years ago
is that car's clearly highly modified so what about is it financed because if it's finance
company look at that then that is in the world of hurts is it uh warranty well I'm sure he's
you know no it's warranty is it insured at a thousand horsepower yeah exactly so yeah yeah
yeah sometimes it's not good to draw attention to yourself no sometimes it's for the best
yeah yeah anyway talking of drawing attention to yourself Pete how was the world's most exclusive
track day oh it was cool man it was um an eye opener I went to what's called finale mondiali
it's like the end of season party celebration that Ferrari does they started it in the Schumacher
F1 days um but they bring all their uh course of clientry so that's all their formula one cars
their xx cars is 20 years of the xx program this year so there's a big celebration for that um and
they also have the final international round of the Ferrari challenge um so all of the winners
from all the different countries that Ferrari challenge runs in all come together and they have
like a winner takes all race which is quite cool um but it was at Mugello I have to say
what a circuit Mugello is oh it's beautiful isn't it just amazing the brilliant track to watch from
really really did you go around it did you get a passenger no sadly not no there was none I
obviously walked quite a lot of it um but no it was good and it was just really interesting to
I think Ferrari you know get a lot of stick from lots of people and they these kind of
hypercar programs and things people look at them and like they're 499p which is their
basically their Le Mans the Le Mans car that you can buy so they've done like a track only
version of the Le Mans car and when they did that I remember what reading people say oh what did
them that for no one's gonna buy one of them well they had 25 of them there wow and they're like
5 million each right um the bit that I didn't realize so the the actual Le Mans cars so they
have a four-year Le Mans program uh two cars per year so eight cars and they sold all eight cars
before the first race took place at eight million pounds each wow so if you're if you're a wealthy
you can basically say I want to buy that that Le Mans car and it's yours
yeah well someone now I use the the year that just won and then the year before that right like
someone owns those two guys get lucky that's a big chunk of how Ferrari fund their race program
and it was phenomenal to see and uh to see the car I mean to hear them like a 599XX EVO on downshift
is one of the most outrageous noises mankind has ever invented and then to see like to see V8 and
V10 Formula 1 cars I mean I know you see them at Goodwood but they're quite short bursts of acceleration
at Goodwood to see them on a circuit where they come out of a corner and then they down the main
straight at Mugello a V10 oh my days just amazing did you see any new super hypercars from Ferrari
you've obviously got F80 was there any of those going around like what did you see in production
no the the one that was really cool and I'll give you a picture so you can put it up it is a thing
called an SC40 which is a one-off car that's been built for a client based on a 296 it's basically
the running gear of a 296 but it's like an homage to an F40 what a cool looking thing that was they
New Testerosa that was there and that was it was all right it looks better in the flesh than
the dozen photographs and the F80 they had there was a beautiful spec and I think that's a car that
is very spec dependent but my my issue with the F80 is it's got a V6 I know it's the same V6 as the
as the hypercar the 499 but anyway but there were some really lovely cars but yeah that SC40
I guess by the oh wow you've just googled it it's cool looking thing yeah what did you see you saw
was Tim there Shmi he was was that the yeah and his new and his speciality what a car is it because
I loved it initially I really liked it and then Pat and I were talking about it on our
recent trip this last week and uh and I was like what do I like the color because it's a bit like
hearing a beige color isn't it it is I mean so it's typical Tim it's the only one in that color
of course yeah um and uh he'd he'd known about the car for quite a long time and uh he he tried to
get it in an auction didn't win the auction but then the person who won the auction pulled out a
few weeks later so got a call and got the car and so it's quite an interesting story how he got it
but I have to say I've looked it is it's a mega spec and yeah and only gonna go in value one way
but he's done it Tim's done a typical thing here it gets in it first thing he does is drive it to
Italy yeah I know that's mad isn't it on cup twos in torrential rain on cup twos the whole way
end of October yeah yeah but now it was it was really cool it's nice to see him and Anna were
there so yeah we spent some time together on the the day and yeah he was he was yeah really really
very cool yeah and final thing on a Ferrari trip did you learn anything more about this electric car
because I've seen a few journalistic videos floating around there was a a chassis and a battery
or something launched but no it's all a bit yeah I didn't ask that much to be honest I was more
interested in v10 and v8 f1 cars much more interesting but yeah um we shall see I'm sure
whatever they do they'll be they'll do it well yeah yeah let's see is it car challenge time because
I'm so so so so so give us a background to our latest car challenge Pat because it was your idea
always okay well I think it was it was a it was a natural idea between Joe and I because we
spent a lot of time in the car together um yeah the car I won't say anything about what exactly
what the car is but it's a comfortable place to be we were very relaxed and so in that time we
were talking about various different things and you know at one point I come to what car we brought
up oh I know that was it I saw a Rolls Royce Cullinan for sale on it was actually on Twitter
because it had fabric seats and I was like oh that's novel it's got fabric seats and so someone
had specced this purpley pink cullinan with these very outlandish but fabric centered seats with
loads of embroidery and stuff on it and so I read out to Joe and I was like oh how much do you think
this is he was driving so I was there like it's a cullinan it's a it was one year old it had done
27,000 28,000 miles wasn't it in one year yeah in one year and because of sale wow we worked out
that that would have cost about 20,000 pounds in fuel alone just to use that plus the at least 100
grand in depreciation given the price it was for sale for and how much they did for plus having
bespoke interior color spec everything um but anyway I thought at that point and we were discussing
and I was like this would be quite a good challenge or or topic to have for the podcast because
yeah we're forever sending each other links and obviously you immediately get up water trading
you can see the price it is but I asked Joe in this instance I was like how much do you think this
car is and he got I think you got it with about 5,000 pounds I was like what if we do a challenge
where we all have to read out vehicles models years age maybe find the retail price talk about
some options are on it and then you've got to guess how much that car is um so yeah I've got to I
think I've got some ind I've got I think I've got some some options that will be close close to
what you guys know and understand and I think I've got uh uh like an old bull option as well
which I think you'll never get in a million years but I think I've understood this brief
what that's good that's amazing who's going first you go first no I think
do you want me to go first I don't mind you said you've got three wait how many of
how many of you got three each three okay yeah because this shouldn't take too long each
Pete you go first go on yeah well okay so if you get this right I'm also going to do the lottery
after this because I'll probably win it okay so and at the end of each one we will whoever's closest
will then will then work out how close in terms of percentage and then the winner the winner
there's one winner across all of them so whoever gets the closest that makes sense okay right
this one I'll let Pete do the talking so I've for my first one I've gone for a car that I've
owned in the past before and always have regretted selling oh no he's already ruined it first yeah
oh no no actually I know you haven't no no no it's the price yeah no no carry on
no no my joe joe's misunderstood the idea now yeah you know yeah I can tell you everything about the car
except the price right yes I'll thank you then I'll thank you I'll thank you next week's challenge
there you go carry on right right so I've gone for a Honda S2000 oh right oh I think I've gone for
so they stopped making the S2000 in 2009 so I've gone for the the most expensive and
newest one I could find it's got 26,000 miles on the clock oh which I thought was pretty good
it's white with red interior uh two owners from new it was actually an import from Japan
okay maybe my next question so I'm glad you've answered that yeah um full Honda service history
the last or the owner selling it has had it for the last seven years
um and that's it really it's totally a standard car so I think they're 200 and
well 236 horsepower 240 s where are your hands that's like
I'm not typing don't worry yeah yeah so there we go okay um you said the low mileage has got
me here because I I started off at what I thought it would be in two you said 26,000 miles and an
import and two owners and now I'm like oh I'm gonna have to at least take granted it's super clean
it's like proper lovely right I'm gonna go in it 35,000 pounds oh I've got no idea to be honest
what these are worth but well I'm guessing I'm guessing tatty ones are like 15 to 20 and this
sounds like uh something it's just yeah it's off of the market so I you know what you you were
bang on with the fit because I I thought 15 until you said until you started explaining more but I
didn't think I think they're revealed or sought after but only by a very small audience I don't
think they're gonna have that much more I think a nice one is a premium but it's not like
bank breaking premiums where you're paying 20 grand more for a good one I think it's 23500
oh okay joe's closest oh okay 32 990 oh my god that's good
yeah yeah um I'll uh I'll put it in the chat for you so you can yeah I'll take pictures of that yeah
I think for the audience say well they've already seen this if they're watching but we will include
the advert as we're talking about it guessing so the audience know and then they can see
just how terrible we are at this game yeah I didn't like be like traitors much yeah I didn't
expect it to be that much I well it's a good one yeah but I didn't I think that for that mileage
that's like that's a lot of car for 30 on ground you just can't use it though really can you not much
no so what was it 32 35 32 990 32 990 how do I work out percentage in that let's say 33
are you a two grand out two grand out so that's like what about six percent out
I don't know my math is rubbish yeah roughly okay cool okay right afterwards in there yeah yeah
you want to impact okay so this is a good hold our fingers up we've got to hold our fingers up here
so we get yeah yeah no searching so I've got for for you guys to consider a lovely I think it's the
launch blue Maserati MC 20 oh okay and this is a 2022 car so it's two and a half three years old
any options here yeah 68 000 pounds worth of factory options oh my god 68 000 pounds
30 lost that straight away yeah I can guarantee you that's gone it's 34 000 pounds in an exterior
carbon fiber package it's got a carbon fiber engine cover carbon fiber spoiler suspension
lifter heated seats premium sound system headrest with stitch tidants interior carbon fiber package
electrochromatic exterior mirrors it's got everything 68 000 pound all factory options
how many miles 10 000 miles exactly so I imagine that's a ballpark yeah 10 000 and something
2022 it's a coupé of course because it's a it's an early one um yeah lovely blue color black wheels
alcantara interior with blue trim really lovely looking car um I did look up retail retail on
these because this this will help you a little bit so they are 227 plus 65 grand so nearly 300
grand gets you one of these brand new three years later how much I'm going in at 120 oh that's
that's that is low uh I'm gonna go with 150 oh okay the answer is hang on
a little bit of suspense here the answer is 127 199 so 107 200
pound gets you that 300 thousand power car wow so awesome for often no very good yeah that's a lot
of car for the money I know they you know some people gave them plaudits for value drivers
I'm not sure they drive well but it's probably how much they should be um look at that and it's
dropped for six grand nearly in the last yeah oh my god I was hoping joe was going to get the original
auto price the auto trader pricing like kind of list number at 133 which would make it even even
better but um wow so a lot of options you know I don't know how they've got 68 grand onto that thing
because you I can't tell it from these photos but I mean that is that is lovely that's a lot
I that that's a lot of car for that money it is I mean you think like a base career is what 105
grand before options so you you put a few options on a base career now and it's like you're talking
that sort of money I mean you could spend that on an m4 with the right packages on it um wow and it's
a proper super car looking car isn't it yeah yeah it's a special thing yeah yeah that one hasn't
that one hasn't been in contact with a bus either so that's always a bonus
okay so um okay so my one is you're gonna laugh at this one
no no which BMW you've chosen joe
the bm's coming the bm's coming oh no so um this one is a 2016
London taxi
how the earth are we gonna work out this one I've got no idea now there's loads of money
though they're really expensive no but it's I know I can already see Pat going oh wow
this is kind of against the rules here joe oh yeah you've kind of taken it a bit too far
price per bloody horsepower challenge yeah exactly well I absolutely can you can you give us a list
price at least can you give us a list price because I think that helps set expectations here I will
I'll look up the list price now because I haven't done my homework but um it's this one's on 73,000
miles which in nearly 10 years sounds like a lot but actually for a London taxi yeah it's only done
zone one by the sounds of it or he's just not made any money it's a 2.5 litre turbo diesel tx4 and it's
really um now they were I think they were like 60 grand new something like that yeah because the
reason I asked for rrp is because the new ones I know they're like a hundred and I don't know what
the older ones I have no idea how much the new ones kind of upped in price when they came out
the hybrid ones but 2016 well yeah tx4 is the old slightly older version isn't it yeah it's slightly
according to ai and I think this is wrong because I would have agreed with with pedon on that cost
but according to ai they were in 2016 between 35 and 40,000 pounds um but I'm pretty convinced
there were more than that oh no and then there's there's an article here saying it was about 56 grand
so there you go right yeah so I they're gonna lose a lot of money are they you less are they you
less compliant yeah because there's taxis so by definition as an exception they will be
because there's an exception okay but I think it was a bit of an uproar they're like
so you go and get your um your knowledge and yeah so there must be still uh um
there's still a market for them yeah for sure yeah for show 11995 I'm gonna go uh eight
bloody hell you both I've gone from feeling smug and you both very much much closer than I thought
Patrick is five Patrick's five pounds away no oh I can't believe it
wow 12 grand 12 grand oh my god I give him 11995 he wouldn't be playing about the five
no I can't believe it wow that's all good guess Pat good guess all right ped round two
right I I've gone a bit uh left field here uh I thought I wonder what the most expensive car
currently for sale on autotrader is and it is a Ferrari Daytona sp3 oh and it has the price
this isn't price on application this is the actual price on this has the price it has the price
yeah it's done 88 miles so 20 25 car obviously um and uh but yeah well it's an sp3 I don't know how
much it was one of only 599 made um you saw it's a retail price there well no hold on so the the
paintwork the Bianca king white paintwork was a 35 000 pound option yeah correct what is an sp3
is it the open top one yeah sp3 Daytona so you had sp1 and 2 which was the same car like the
narrow v12 front engines with one or two seats this is the one that has like the slats in the
front of it it's wider it looks like what the maybe the f80 could have been if this wasn't a
special project I mean it's got it's got lots of carbon on it uh airbrus gutterier shields
but can you just google whilst we think about this the the rrp like what are these stars no
I think they must no no I think no I think the rrp in this case is it's we shouldn't we shouldn't
be allowed to know it no I think we should because I think this is going to be more than the rrp
I think this car will be going for overs but I don't I don't have a clue of the rrp so I think
it's better that we just guess what do you think well ped you you can lay that aside you can
never give us the rrp you don't have to I think it'll be over I think rrp will be like two and I
think this is going to be like 3.1 I think it'll be over because there's not many of these on the
open market as well I'm sure they're all for saying if you want to buy one you know off market but
that's they were uh price of the 20 the turner sp3 starts at 2.2 million dollars oh good guess
okay okay oh that was dollars so a bit off about 1.8 1.7 okay one five million pound is my answer
okay um my answer is going to be six million pounds
oh so the amusing one is it's just had a an auto trader price tracker change it's
just gone been put up by 250 000 pounds okay because that's gonna help sell it uh it's
5.75 million oh my god that's a lot more someone's trying to make three million
pound on that thing Jesus do you can I just let you into a little secret as to why I was quite
close or why I kind of had a good one yeah no no because when we were researching these cars
I was looking at and this isn't one of my cars in here and I was looking at Bugatti's
and the most expensive sure on on on auto trader was five million so when ped said that it was the
most expensive car on auto oh yeah I knew it had to be about five so yeah
oh see I gave you too much information there you go no that's good that's good I knew it'd be over
because I didn't I yeah I didn't realize someone was trying to make two and a half but the thing is
right okay I went who buys a 5.7 million pound car from auto trader yeah that's true
yeah that's true probably probably the person who's looking for the car on their
behalf they're normally priced an applicator cars like that normally appear away aren't they
you don't yeah yeah see what they are all right yeah there you go there you go it's going in path
we should we should update on that advert in in three months time see if it's still there or
though it's been dropped a million pound to try and sell it oh well I'm just looking at it now
gee it's cool isn't it whoa it's a cool car yeah now my next one I'm a bit nervous Joe's picked
the same car because he did say he's got a BMW coming up and if we pick the exact same car this is
a very boring one so I've picked a BMW XM no I haven't no no no okay yeah a great
one of them well this person's got it his driveway and he seems to be very happy with
it that's why he's selling it so he's got a gray XM on your standard XM wheels I think
doesn't look like he's got any crazy spec black leather interior it's done 19,700 miles on a
72 reg but a 2023 registered car so it's quite early very early yeah it's full service history
BMW still got extended oh sorry it's got BMW warranty until 0326 so March 2026 and it could
be extended um they say it's as new inside and out and they don't want any cash payments
hmm so these were quite a lot of money so Joe maybe be able to get it says here that the models
went between 112 and 175 yeah yeah I think the red label one was 175 and the XM 50e was 113
yeah it's not and it's not 50e it because they didn't make it back then it was it's a full on XM
it would be the 4.4 litre yeah and they were 25 26 kilowatt hour battery extra yeah they were
about they started at about 145 when they were when they came out so that one's probably let's
say 150 with a couple of options 155 that's not my guess that's what it would have cost obviously news
I'm gonna guess now 70 yeah that's a good guess that's uh
uh well that's kind of where I would have gone so I'm gonna go 65 oh okay 75495
this is a good game for nearly just over two months and it started at 81 so it's a private
sale as well look seemingly I think it's yeah private sale um but yeah 75 grand so
good luck selling that okay to see what buys you to need finance
yeah well you can still get finance on it I imagine the finance quote at 75 grand would probably be
far more appeasing right in terms of a residual value residuals probably still 40 or 40 grand or
something I don't know could actually be quite good value as a second hand car as long as you
something uh oh no okay this one this one is the more predictable one because it's a BMW
it's a 2013 BMW 760 Li which is which is the extended wheelbase v12 version
flagship flagship flagship um and this is 2013 2013 it's the car that when I first started
chauffeuring it was the car that I really wanted it was a car I would have dream to
had having but I had the basic 730d um although this would have bankrupted me on fuel costs uh and
um yeah it's done 69 000 miles which for a 12 year old car uh isn't bad uh it has a 6 litre v12
just over uh um uh 537 horsepower um interior exterior what's the colors
four and a half seconds or 60 exterior uh is like a dark gray uh interior is like a
cream like a beige very nice very nice for extended Reno BMW boy you mean you can't even
give us the paint code and nap a leather sample number well I would say the exterior is a gray
Sophisto gray Xeralic because that's what my 7 was and it looks it looks the same but I could
be completely wrong because the pictures are taken inside inside like a studio and it but it's
definitely like a dark gray it's a classy gray it's it's d badged on the back as well
but the interior's got it's a full extended and I'm guessing maybe that was standard at the time
but it's got wood trim as well you know what we never asked it on any of the other one so far
like we never asked if it was a dealer or private sale because my xm was a private sale I didn't
think to say it but you said you said this is in like a studio thing so this is a dealer is it
no not no a dealer wouldn't have one of these at that age but it's no no but I mean like not it's
not for sale by a person it's for sale by a used car garage by a used car garage so it comes with
their minimal uh yeah um so I think this is yeah this is gonna be a bit more than you think
bargain basement aren't I'm gonna go 30 grand oh you're both going different ends I think
no no I'm the same I'm in the same ballpark as Pete but I thought if you're selling this privately
this it's 20s but because it's a dealer I think they need to have a bit more I think it's 24.995
wow well you're both relatively close um it's actually 65
it's actually 20,000 and 295 pounds oh my god that's how much I thought it was gonna be 20
grand but when you said it was a dealer I was like they're gonna maybe they bought it in at that kind
of sensible figure and they're trying to get a bit on top but no but that's also how much that's
almost how much it would cost if it went wrong and how much it cost about a year yeah yeah it would
cost 20 grand just to have a look at it to tell you what's wrong with it but it's got some fairly
fresh-looking Michelin tyres I can't see which ones they are but at least it's got full Alcantara
headlining full infotainment system um it's got night vision it is I mean that's the sort of car
that oh that is a cool it is a cool car I'd say I'll put let me should have bought that and not
your golf definitely yeah that is very cool right final round Pete your final round final round
so this one I've gone for one of my all-time fantasy wish I had one in the garage kind of cars
and I've gone for it's quite a good spec uh and it is a Lancia Delta Integra Le Evolution 2
it's a 1995 Enredge with 44,000 miles on the clock it's red and it's got uh like the velour it's
like a um yeah like the cream coloured velour interior which is like what they all had basically
yeah yeah yeah uh so yeah factory fitted suede rikaro buckets in excellent condition
climate control aircon original steering it's totally original no rust uh oh my god it hasn't
been restored is that what you're telling me original unrestored it was imported from Japan
in 2016 okay it's just had a major service including cam belt so it's it's not been modified in any way
a lot of them have had like um they'll have a chip on the on the engine give them a bit more power
because I think standard these came as 200 yeah they weren't they weren't silly horsepower
but you can chip them up to about 300 I doesn't say I'm not sure an unrestored example of one of
these is a good idea I think that I think that actually in my head that low is the price a bit
from where I thought it was gonna be okay because I know these cars I mean Joe I remember your friend
had one yellow one I drove it around the block once and he was like it's just about to go into
restoration and I didn't like I needed it but obviously underneath where you can't see what these
cars are famous for rusting it was in pieces so I reckon you shouldn't be buying a an unrestored
one of these probably say the same about my car to be fair um yeah for like for more than like
60 grand I think they used to be 40s from this is I mean this is terrible memory of thinking about
how much he's got I think this is I think this is 65 grand okay and I think I think a restored one
is going to be a c5 to 100 or something ridiculous okay I'm going to go a bit lower because it's a
Japanese import and I think that takes a bit of the even though even though weirdly you'd
want a Japanese import over a UK car because it's probably been in better climates um so I'm going
to go with 55 okay 100 grand 100 now I've got a few issues with this number one my mate Ellis is
like the best guy on integralies I ever know so I don't even like from him but I've only
literally just noticed this this car's been for sale on order trader since 2023 oh hang on
okay you picked a car from motor hub do you know what does everybody here know what motor hub is
no no oh okay motor hub is a famed garage I can't remember where it is it might be in like
Birmingham way or somewhere but they're famous for having cars up at ridiculous money for it like
they have like they'll have like shirons on their website but they also sell like voxel insignias
I'm looking here um they're like they're almost like social media famous okay so they currently have
one two three four shirons one two three four eventadors that if you go back they also have
a 1200 pound 200 000 mile voxel insignia a jaguar xe a hunday Tucson like they they're famous for
yeah this this car isn't worth 100 grand okay okay all right okay
ped run I didn't know that and and peds no no no look we've both still lost the challenge I'm not
saying I'm not saying I'm now correct but I found what so you know I just said about my mate Ellis
right and how he he has some really good ones right yeah and right beautiful dealer of intergaral is
perfect yeah he's he's a reputable intergaral a um and this one is 140 grand oh it's gone the other
way interesting oh it's a Ferrari special edition though isn't it it's a yellow fly yeah it's I mean
it's a beautiful car but yeah they're they're I think you know 100 to 120 grand is what you pay for
a good intergaral of these days yeah that's insane I didn't I didn't have a clue about that but that's
he's got one for six he's got a 92 car for 69 and a half yeah his other ones are all like 120 yeah
maybe someone in the audience could give us a yeah a good spread of intergaral is
yeah in my head years ago they were 40 50 grand which was a lot of money for a car that's a rust
bucket but yeah I can believe it I know they'd gone up loads of value I just assumed they hadn't
got up that much in value but yeah what a thing right um okay well I I am I'm gonna say it's my
go now right my yeah yeah it's my go is it oh sorry Pat yeah this is the longest podcast we've
ever done I know I know it well I make one quick because I there's no details on this I'll give you
it's a Sangyong Corando oh no they're awful okay it's a 2.0 litre SE Euro 55 door 88,000 miles
it's from 2014 so it's only 11 years old manual diesel and the RRP was 27 to 28 grand
with the Pioneer 5 door version the 4x4 one was 30 so you're spending 20 27 to 30 grand
you might get a dealer contribution 11 years later how much is a Sangyong Corando you actually
have to pay for it apparently they do want money for it two grand for an 11 year old car yeah
I'll be surprised if it's that much I was gonna I was gonna I was gonna say three
it is £1,395
11 years later it's worth you'd probably get it for a grand if you went over there and yeah it
brought cash it's one of the worst things I've ever seen
put a link in the chat Pat so I know what we're talking about I'm copying you
are there hateful things oh hey what do you know what why do you know what one of these is
oh no oh did you do a studio shoot or one month no that is so peak ped and studio shoot isn't it
I saw it I was like how can this car be from 2014 it's impossible how could a car from the 90s
be 2014 registered that is just wrong that thing it's only had two owners as well 88,000 miles
it's a minter poor there are two very unlucky people in this world that is horrific isn't it
absolutely it's bad it really is bad yeah okay that's a good I might go buy it and then you
can buy it from me for two grand I make 600 quid yeah all I say is you could buy 10 of you could
buy 10 of those for my road bike cost me that is it's special that's what thankfully I'm gonna
end this podcast because otherwise we would end ended it on a sour note would have been put off
our dinner tonight but I'm going to end it with something a bit more tasteful than that
but something that's you know I was very very surprised about when I started looking at their
prices I just got to find it now where has it gone no no there it is okay all right
I'm just going to slide that over here so from a some young nobody wants one to a
from a to a Bentley Mulsanne oh yeah one of those yeah 2011 Bentley Mulsanne right
2011 which I think is when they started making this let's call it the new or the current
Mulsanne like to look at if I saw one on the street I would genuinely think it was like 2016-17
doesn't look like an old one to me but anyway it has a 6.75 litre V8
it's a 25 sorry 2011 as I said 74,000 miles this one really nicely specced I would say like it's a
um like it's a dark brown exterior with beige or cream interior with dark with matching dark
brown carpets and lowers and dark brown wood so it basically looks like mr. hanky the christmas poop
I think it looks way better than I'm selling it in fact
could I send you a picture let's see if I could save this picture oh risky business this
save I don't know what was the what was the year again uh 2011 um so I'm actually going to take
a picture of it on here and put it in the group I am gonna go because I think it's quite classy
looking car right isn't it like the big square boxy one no no no it's a four door
four door yeah but it's yeah uh just send me a picture of it hopefully that oh no it has
a price at the bottom don't look right don't look don't look oh no actually you can look you can
look because the price is just hidden oh that's actually quite nice yeah yeah um oh oh no that is
nice yeah that's classy motor that yeah I'll send you a front I'll send you another picture of the
front end of it without the price you do a lot of weddings in that wouldn't you um yeah but it's
it's a moment that looks really new no it looks very new when what did you say that was 2011
Jesus really interior is I reckon it's a classy spec so I'm going to send you a picture of the
interior nice nice it looks a lot newer than a continental equivalent like a 2011 continental
they look a bit tired when you look at them this that's the interior oh now how much can we play
versus how much is all those seats look brand new that's yeah no it's in really nice good condition
I mean the private plate must be worth an absolute I don't know if that comes with it because that's
I'd hope not because it's working on the car but yeah I reckon that is it's motd until October 26
okay it's just been done um 186 miles an hour just over 500 horsepower not 60 in five seconds
under five seconds sorry okay I'm gonna say I'm going in at 55 grand oh no it's 25 grand come on
it's not 50 grand not not 14 years ago no yeah 25 I was going to say 22 50 but given
Pete's gone so high I'm going to go for 25 I'm going to go 40 then 40 40 I'm going to change
on my mind oh my god is the last change is the answer I don't like that okay so pat 25 pet 40 well
I mean we'll take pet out of the equation because he changes answer but um Pat you're very gross
you're annoyingly correct it's 29 9 9 9 which okay which I think for that much car if you
yeah that's insane anywhere in that people would be like well that's 100 that's 100
grams for the car what a baller yeah what a baller but Pat you're annoyingly good it's a 4d
plates on it you'd be rocking wouldn't you I love that is yeah that's a bit of me that thing
can you send it in the chat as well I just uh no because you'll end up buying it you will
ask my one of it I'll you know give them a call I'll offer them often 25 grand for it
25 grand and an amy I really like that car I think it's um I'm very surprised that I thought
that was a 50 grand car every day of the week but it's not yeah the interior is unbelievable that
it's so nice yeah very I think it also I mean we this is a whole other podcast but it's in it
it's entering an era of car that doesn't age as badly as some of the modern stuff that I did
the digital screen in the middle of the dials is a bit old Audi yeah firing that the dials
everything else inside of it obviously the screen hides away behind a nice veneer wood
um yeah I think you can own that now and like you said if someone got in that they're like oh
when did you get this is it brand new that with the private plate on it you'd have no idea
yeah yeah very cool cool it has a thousand and twenty newt me he's a talk as well Jesus
Jesus you need some good tyres on that keep traction uh right let's wrap this one it's
been out in 20 minutes oh yeah as we think of this description challenge would be would be quick
and simple it's ended up taking us ages but it's been good fun though I like it we should do this
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A lively discussion kicks off with the hosts reminiscing about their youth and the evolution of technology, especially the internet. They dive into the exciting reveal of the new Renault Twingo, highlighting its design and production challenges. The conversation shifts to the automotive market, where they debate the pricing of various cars, including a nostalgic look at the Honda S2000 and a surprising discussion about the value of a London taxi. The episode wraps up with a fun car price guessing game, showcasing the hosts' knowledge and humor.
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