020 | This 2005 Mustang Might Be the Best First Car (And It Started a 1,000 HP Problem)
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020 | This 2005 Mustang Might Be the Best First Car (And It Started a 1,000 HP Problem)
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Ford Mustang
The 2005 Mustang is a car made by Ford that has a classic look but includes modern features. It's popular among car enthusiasts for its style and performance.
Term
horsepower wars
Horsepower wars are when car companies try to make their cars more powerful than their competitors' cars. This means they focus on making engines that can produce more horsepower.
Car
Ford Gtt
The Ford GTT is a new supercar from Ford that aims to compete with other high-end sports cars like those made by Porsche. It's designed to be very fast and powerful.
Brand
Porsche
Porsche is a famous car brand from Germany that makes very fast and luxurious sports cars. They are known for their quality and performance.
Term
1000 horsepower
Horsepower is how we measure how powerful an engine is. When someone talks about 1000 horsepower, they mean the engine can do a lot of work, making the car very fast.
Car
Chevrolet Silverado EV
The Silverado EV is a new electric truck from Chevrolet. It's designed to be powerful and efficient, using electricity instead of gasoline.
Term
torque
Torque is how strong an engine is at moving the car. More torque means the car can pull heavier things or go faster from a stop.
Car
Ford Ranger
The Ford Ranger is a small truck that people use for work or everyday driving. The 1993 version is known for being tough and reliable, which is why many people still like it today.
Term
V6 engine
A V6 engine is a type of car engine that has six cylinders arranged in a V shape. It offers a good mix of power and fuel efficiency, making it popular in many cars.
Term
stick shift
A stick shift is a type of car that you have to change gears yourself using a lever. It's different from an automatic car, where the car does this for you.
Car
Hummer H2 Hummer
The H2 Hummer is a big, tough SUV that was popular in the early 2000s. It's known for being able to go off-road and has a very bold look.
Term
miles per gallon (MPG)
Miles per gallon (MPG) tells you how far a car can go on one gallon of gas. The higher the number, the better the car is at saving fuel.
Car
Ford Flex
The Ford Flex is a big SUV that has a square shape, which makes it stand out. It's great for families because it has lots of room for people and their stuff.
Term
full inspection
A full inspection is when a mechanic checks everything in your car to make sure it's working well. They look at things like the brakes and engine to catch any problems early.
Term
oil change
An oil change is when you replace the old oil in your car's engine with new oil. This helps keep the engine running well and prevents damage.
Car
Ford F150
The Roush F-150 is a special version of the Ford F-150 truck that has been made faster and more stylish by a company called Roush. It's popular among truck enthusiasts who want something unique and powerful.
Term
EcoBoost
EcoBoost is a type of engine made by Ford that uses a turbocharger to make the car more powerful while using less fuel. It's used in the basic version of the Mustang.
Car
Hyundai Elantra
The Hyundai Elantra is a small car that is easy to drive and good on gas. It's a popular choice for people looking for a reliable and affordable vehicle.
Car
Toyota Gt86
The Toyota GT 86 is a small sports car that is designed to be fun to drive. It has a special setup that makes it handle really well on the road, which many drivers enjoy.
Car
Subaru BRZ
The Subaru BRZ is a small sports car that is fun to drive. It has a design that makes it easy to handle and is known for being light and quick.
Car
Dodge Charger
The Dodge Charger is a big car that can be very fast. It comes with different engine choices, including a smaller one that still has a lot of power.
Car
Dodge Challenger
The Dodge Challenger is a sporty car that looks like classic muscle cars. It has different engine options, including very powerful ones.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
The Chevrolet Camaro is a popular sports car that has been around for a long time. It comes in different versions with various engine sizes, making it fun to drive.
Term
5.0
The 5.0 is a type of engine with a size of 5.0 liters, often used in Ford Mustangs. It's known for being powerful and giving the car a lot of speed.
Term
four-cylinder engine
A four-cylinder engine is a type of engine that has four small cylinders. It's usually more fuel-efficient but not as powerful as bigger engines.
Term
SVO
SVO is a special performance version of some Ford cars, like the Mustang, that has upgraded features and a turbocharged engine for better speed and handling.
Term
liters
Liters are a way to measure how big an engine is. A bigger engine usually has more power.
Car
Nissan Frontier
The Nissan Frontier is a type of truck that is good for carrying things and can handle rough roads. It's a popular choice for people who need a reliable vehicle.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a part of some car engines that helps them go faster by pushing in more air. This makes the engine stronger and can help save gas.
Part
handbrake
The handbrake is a lever in your car that you pull to keep it from rolling when parked. It helps keep the car still, especially on hills.
Term
RPM
RPM tells you how fast the engine is spinning. The more RPMs, the faster the engine is working.
Car
Ford Explorer
The Ford Explorer is a larger vehicle that can carry more people and stuff, making it great for families. It's designed to be comfortable and can handle rough roads if needed.
Term
fourth gen Camaro
The fourth gen Camaro is a version of the Camaro that was made from 1993 to 2002. It has a different look and feel compared to older models, making it unique among Camaros.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast and stylish sports car that many people dream of owning. It's known for being powerful and is often seen as a symbol of American automotive engineering.
Car
Ford Probe
The Ford Probe was a sporty car that Ford made in the 1990s, and it was meant to be a replacement for the Mustang. It looked cool and was fun to drive, but it didn't become as famous as the Mustang.
Car
Chrysler PT Cruiser
The Chrysler PT Cruiser is a small car that looks a bit old-fashioned but is very roomy inside. People liked it for its quirky style and how much space it has for passengers and cargo.
Car
Chevrolet HHR
The Chevrolet HHR is a small car that looks a bit like an old-fashioned delivery van. It has a lot of space inside, making it good for carrying things or passengers.
Term
supercharged V8
A supercharged V8 is a type of engine that has a device called a supercharger, which helps it produce more power by pushing in extra air. This makes the car faster and more powerful.
Car
Ford Gt350
Car
Ford Mustang GTD
The Ford Mustang GTD is a super-fast version of the regular Mustang, made for people who love speed and performance. It's built to be even more exciting to drive than the standard Mustang.
Car
Tesla Cybertruck
The Tesla Cybertruck is a new electric truck that looks very different from regular trucks. It's designed to be strong and has cool technology that helps it drive itself in some situations.
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Mazda MX-5 / Miata
The Mazda MX-5, or Miata, is a small sports car that is really fun to drive. It's light and quick, making it a favorite for people who love driving on winding roads.
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Hey, what's happening today on cool cars with Chris? We are diving into sensory overload
at the monster truck rally talking monster jam here. Even if you're sitting in those
nosebleed seats, what is that like? Plus, we're also discussing the retro future appeal
of the 2005 Mustang. You know, I bought one for my son for his birthday recently and he's
going through the DMV required, uh, online training course to get his license. He was
yet, but he's working towards it right now and topping it off. We are going to be talking
about the escalating horsepower wars that are going on right now is too much, just too
much. But I know that right now Ford speaking of Mustangs just built their Ford GTT supercar.
Really what it is. It's competing with Porsche. It wants to be better than Porsche. The next
Porsche are basically a Mustang. Can it happen? What's that about? Or is it just bragging rights
if you can push your car to 1000 horsepower? Well, find out all that and more on this episode.
Let's go.
Welcome back. I have the legendary YouTuber now monster truck dude courage in the house
today. Hey, dude, did he buddy? Yeah, I wish I could drive a monster truck. That'd be cool.
Dude. I mean, I almost kind of drive a monster truck. Well, a mini, a mini, mini monster
truck. Yeah. Yeah. I felt what like driving one, what like I was driving way back with
that Silverado EV, but that's just from coming from somebody that's not used to trucks like
that. But, uh, nonetheless, still it's always great to talk some cars. So appreciate being
on. Yeah. I remember when I had my Z and I was going back and forth between driving the
Z, which is like low to the ground to drive the truck, which is like, I'm not lifted,
but higher up, I guess, or somewhat lifted, I guess. And so it's like, it's such a trip
going from one to the other, especially going from the car to the truck. Oh my God, I'm
so high up here. I'm up here. Look at me. Everybody up here. I'm tall, you know, and
all that kind of way it drives. And there's a different comfort features it had. I remember
from the Z, which is more of like just pure sports car to the truck, which is a little
more plush and a little more refined and a little more relaxed and a little more comfortable
than new modern features, like automatic transmission and apple car play things like that. So, but
you went there today. You had a great time, man. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. This is the
second time going, but it felt like the first time because the first time we went, we were
like in the rain, mud slick everywhere that the drivers weren't going full out because
it was just super slippery. So this was like a first full on experience and some great
weather. So the kids loved it. You know, the, all the wife loved it. I loved it. It was
a cool experience for sure.
You get a chance to tour the pits like before they do the event. No. So we didn't do that.
We talked about it before, but we did get there right as they were doing sort of the
like canopy, the sort of grave digger replica drives through of the course. So we did see
them kind of doing that, but we didn't do the at the pit tour, but that's definitely
something we'll probably be thinking about the next time around.
Yeah. We, I get that last time out there. We got there early to do the pits and we walked
around and we get to see all the monster trucks on display. Of course, I roped off. You take
a picture of it. You can take a picture of the driver, you and the driver and you can
get like their autograph on some paperwork or whatever they give you. And I'm so funny.
Last year, my son was wearing his Raiders jersey. For some reason he wanted them to sign
his jersey. So he had all the people for the monster truck, like, you know, drivers sign
his jersey. I thought he's signature is always like some Jersey has the Raiders.
It's all over there. But yeah. So we did that took pictures and video and all that stuff.
And then you go over and get your seats and figure out what you're going to do before
they bring all the, all the trucks in there. So I know that like the big ones were like
El Toro was always there. They didn't like, of course, grave diggers, like a classic.
Everybody cheers for grave digger. Yeah. I think El Toro was one of my favorites. There
was another one I liked the shark one. The kids liked the shark.
Yeah. Megalodon. I think it's Megalodon. I think what it's called Megalodon. Yeah,
the shark. The kids toys of that stuff. The T shirts, you know, all into that kind of
stuff for a while. I think kids get into like for hot minute, they're like into whatever
is happening, like the monster jam or whatever it is, you know, they got some cool new ones
that I, I hadn't, I didn't know about. They, they have one that's like a, I can't remember
what it's, what it's actually called, but it's basically like those tech decks, like
skateboard, like those, those toys, like a skateboard or something.
Basically. Yeah. It's like kind of like shaped like a little bit of like a skateboard on the
top with the grip tape. So they had, they had that. And then they also had one for like the
Barnum and Bailey circus. No way. Like a circus tent, like a clown car or something.
Yeah. It just, it's, it looks like a truck, but it's got like, you know, kind of the Barnum
Bay, like, you know, circus colors. But it's, yeah, called Barnum Barnum and Bailey circuit,
I think is what they call it. Interesting. So yeah, they got a, they had a few new ones.
I think there was another one too that I can't quite remember, but there was, it was cool to
see a little bit of a change up from like the normal ones that we see.
Was the noise level a little too loud for the kids when you were there or were they kind of cool
with it? They had their earmuffs on the whole time. Like what I, what I say to my wife all the
time when I like, when, when we go is, is you don't, you, you never really get fully used to the
sound level. Because even when they're just like, when they first parade out, like it's super loud
and you're like, wow, like it just, you feel it. But then when you hear them at like full rev,
like go through the track and like do their, do their races and everything,
it's like a totally different level still to, to this day. And we were in like
nosebleed seats and it still sounded insane. So I definitely, yeah, for young kids, I,
I think ear protection is definitely necessary for sure.
I think it was louder when they were at Pekko Park because I remember as they would like bring
them out, they had to like drive them on the side street on the west side of the building.
Cause that's the side we were on. I saw them driving down there. I looked down below
from the balcony. I could see them kind of pulling around the streets and noises like
bounce off buildings pretty, you know, like they bounce around a lot.
I can't even imagine what it's like for like, if some, if you weren't even there for the event,
but just like, or in the city around that time and like,
Oh yeah. It was pretty loud. I remember, I think I was just louder at Pekko Park,
but I remember for some reason, when he used to be at Qualcomm stadium, I've been to it back then.
I remember it was like incredibly loud for some reason, like almost like neither cover your ears
kind of loud, but I just like dealt with that, I guess. And it wasn't like painfully loud. There's
like a painful loud. If you've ever been in a situation where things are so loud, they actually
are incredibly painful. Like I used to fill up these generators, like a job site, construction
generators, and they have these big giant cat kind of pillar diesel engines, like running
so freaking loud. They're so loud. Like you have to put earplugs in and then maybe cover them with
on top of that and ringing for days, like super, super loud. I've been in spots like that, you
know, and it's crazy, but I'm glad you had a good time. I'm glad the kids had a good time.
I'm glad you got out of there before the traffic got crazy nuts.
Yep. That's a necessity is nobody wants to sit in an hour and a half
traffic jam, trying to get out of parking lot after a two hour event.
Yeah, it's kind of like that. I wish when I went there, they had better like
parking assistants getting us out of there because when I went there last year, it was
like free for all just everybody just leave at the same time. Like everybody could do a car and
like it was like one exit, I think getting like everybody in the whole parking lot like funneled
to like one lane, but at the very end. So it was all just a big mishmash of cars like going
every which way, this pile and that pile of cars all merging together, trying to get out,
you know, which pile to get into to get this pile on the mission, this pile,
all that piles, wait on that pile to move. And it's like, eventually you find and get out of
there. It took forever to get out of the place. And I'm thinking like, man, man, she got Uber
or something. Yeah, something like that or whatever. But I guess in the moment, you don't
think about it. I mean, I went through during the day, he was fine, but at night getting out,
crazy man. I've always just with any kind of big, big events, whether it's a concert or whatever,
like, you know, there's usually not, and there have been some situations where I'm like, man,
we left a little early. We probably should have stayed, but I've just, as of late, I've just
been one or just like, I just, I'm at a certain point. I'm like, yeah, we should just start kind
of heading out. Like you can usually hear what's going on, like on your way out to the parking
lot. And so, you know, I just have not necessarily been wanting like big events to just kind of
stay right up until the end. I don't know, man, because of that. I think maybe we're just getting
older, dude. That's what it is. That's probably older. You got kids. I get, I remember when we had
season passes to Disneyland and our kids were really little talking like strollers and diapers
kind of age. And we'd bounce out of there like right at the four fireworks would happen. You
know, even before the fireworks would happen, we get out of there, try to get home early. You know,
kids are already in pajamas, already passed out, you know, try to get out of there and stuff. So,
but yeah, good times, man. So today on cool cars with Chris, what is the thing you want to talk
about today? So I think today really with just all of the news that's been going around with,
with Ford and with Mustangs in general, all different types of Mustangs. I thought it'd be
cool to just kind of talk about, you know, just Mustangs in general, like, you know, just
you, you're a Mustang guy, I guess. I guess now. So I guess now I am, man. You know, it's funny. I
have loved Mustangs since forever. And I mean, forever today, I've always wanted a Mustang.
I knew lots of people have had them. I've had lots of friends who've owned Mustangs over the
years. I'm thinking like almost everybody knows owned a Mustang at one point, either they've
owned a Mustang or they knew somebody directly who had a Mustang kind of a thing. And I knew
this one guy I worked with, working with his brother at the Napa Auto Parts, his brother owned
a Mustang, he owned a Mustang and their dad owned a Mustang. All the same. They're all brand new.
They're all like the same year. The kids ones were the V sixes, the dads was a GT and I drove them
all. And so the, I drove their cars and the, even back then I remember the V sixes had a lot of
torque and a lot of power. Like more than I was kind of blew me, blew me away. But of course,
the vehicle that I had at that time wasn't fast at all. So that's kind of the thing. It's all
perspective. So if the vehicle you drive is a snail turtle, the vehicle I had was a 1993 Ford
Ranger with the 2.3 liter four cylinder that pushed maybe 90 horsepower and couldn't carry a load
of a hill. If it would try, I wonder if those were the same mode, were those the same motors that
they used with the, they didn't call it eco boost back then, but like the SVO displacement,
different engine, but it's ironic they're the same size. But, but yeah, those things had,
it was kind of gala. So I drove, that was my truck and then getting into something like a Mustang.
Hey, I mean, they give me the keys and we take it for a drive, whatever. And it's like, holy crap,
this thing feel, even just a V six, it feels like a whole rocket ship. Then I get the VA version
of like, holy crap. And so they're quite amazing. Now this is back in like the early 2000s.
And so the Mustang that we purchased for Jakey Jake, who is going to be working on giving his
license real soon, he's taking the tests, not the test, he's taking the like online course,
like online training. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In California, it's required now that if you're
16 years old, if you're under 18, you have to take 30 hours of like online, like course training
has to be approved by the DMV. So I got to go online and find a class or a website or whatever
that's approved by the DMV, pay the fee to do that, sign them up. He's working on the classes
right now. He's only about like 10% to 20% done of the entire class. And then once you do that,
then I guess you can get your permit. And then once you get your permit, then you can like
either pay for a driving ed, you know, teacher or have parents, maybe both. I'm not too sure.
We haven't got that far yet, but when we do, I'll let you know. But then he goes to DMV
and gets the license kind of thing. But we have the car already for him so that he can
practice in that car, take the test in that car. So that'll be the car I'll be driving.
Why not do everything in that car? So the car we got was the 2005 Ford Mustang V6 Premium.
And the V6 Premium, I believe has the leather and the shaker audio system.
And we, I mean, a wing on the back. What else does it have? It's not like fog lights or anything
like that. It's not like the GT, but does it have those like knockoff style like wheels?
The wheels are very, the wheel design are the classic throwback wheels to the 60s Mustang hub
caps. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Cause I'm like, I'm actually looking at a picture. Yep. So it's got
those like, yeah, kind of like knockoff. Yeah. Like I don't want to say knockoff cause that
like has a bad connotation, but it has like those knockoff of itself. I guess that's, yeah.
It sounds like it's a, it's like the Hyundai trying to copy a Honda or something or the other way
around or whatever way around you want to go. But, but the, but yeah, the Mustang, you know,
it's got a few quirks, you know, it does have, it's an, it's an old car. It's a 20 year old car
and it's got 85,000 miles on it, which I think are fairly low for 20. No, that's definitely low
for a 20 year old car. What do you think? They probably just took it to likes cars and coffees,
maybe things like that or wherever they took it to. I don't know. It's completely stock,
no modifications at all that I can tell, nothing done, not even window tint, nothing.
And it's a, what else? Oh, um, yeah, it's just a V six. It's an automatic. So,
which is probably good for him when he's first learning how to drive. You want to
learning a stick shift, trying to figure out how to drive a stick shift. I mean,
stall that or who knows what? I mean, to be honest, that's like throwing them into the gauntlet.
Like, Hey, you're learning how to drive and learning how to, how to do this.
Well, my first vehicle I drove for school was a stick shift, but I didn't take the test in a
stick shift. I took a test in an automatic. That would have been nerve wracking. Oh my gosh.
But, um, but no, it's, it's an automatic and it has the automatic shifter in the center console.
It's a complete like replica throwback to the console in the 65, 66, whatever Mustang.
So, oh yeah, like the, yeah, I think I remember seeing them. Yeah. It kind of also one reporter
said that it looked like the shifter in the H2 Hummer back in the day. I love never driven an H2
Hummer, but I've seen pictures and I kind of, I've seen that. That's another car that I'm not
really too excited about. I mean, people, I think you aren't all about that like era of the H2.
When it first came out, I must be honest. When it first came out, I thought it was super cool,
right? I thought it was super cool. But now like having one today, I just think douchebag,
I see what today. I was like, I mean, I get it. You can afford it now. You couldn't afford it back
then. I get it, but come on. Those things get like eight miles. These things get like eight
miles a gallon. I mean, you know, they're just like a flex move really. But anyways,
besides the point, the Mustang, it's super cool. It's cherry red. The paint looks fairly well,
you know, very well kept up for the most part. It's not like all chipped and faded or like,
you know, like some paint jobs you see them where the like the paint just like starts fading or
starts turning like into like this rusty color or whatever, you know, things like that.
No, I mean, you know, you sent me pictures like how that literally just looks like,
it looks like a time cap. So like the paint and everything like looks like as if you just drove
out to show room floor looking like that. Right. Right. Right. So we've been keeping it washed.
His mom bought a car wash package for to take the thing to the car wash. I said, okay.
So she's doing that. I'm doing that with a car. And so what I wanted to do because
we just bought the thing. And I was like, maybe we don't know when the last time the oil was
changed in this car. And we don't know how old this gas is to like truth really,
it's been sitting for a while. I only can assume that the last person who had it, according to
the car facts, I think they traded in sometime, you know, late last year, maybe like September
time, maybe frame, they traded into a dealership as a trade in. So had gas in the tank. And the
funny thing is it had like three quarters of a gas tank full in the car, which is kind of rare
for used cars. We usually got like an empty or close to empty, right? And so they have that
much gas in the car. It makes you wonder like, who put the gas there? I don't think it was the
used car lot I bought it from. I'm assuming it was from the previous owner, which just happened
maybe a year ago or so, which tells me the gas could be old, but I'm not too sure. So I filled
the thing up and filled it up a couple of times, kind of like try to run that gas through there.
I put some cleaner in there too, but I did want to take it over to the Ford dealer and have them
do a full inspection on the car. So I took it to the Ford dealer and I did their standard full
service oil change package. They call it the works package. And basically what they do is
do the full oil change, tire rotation, check the brakes, battery, any visible like things they
can see, you know, leaks and all that stuff. And so while we were there getting the car
service to the back an hour or so, we decided to like walk around the dealership. That's what
you do. You look at cars, right? You're there. So we're looking around the car dealership and we
see first thing I see is the Roush F 150. Cause I have a Roush F 150. So I look at it and I'm like,
damn, these are expensive. My goodness. They got up at price, but I guess what you expect or whatever.
So I'm looking at that, poking around that thing. And then just behind that was a brand new
Ford Mustang, dark horse. And so I'm checking that out. Stick shift looks beautiful.
And I'll check at the price. Something like, damn, these are expensive. And so we walk around.
What are those like, kind of without, and I know you might even want to talk separate on this,
but without like any of the dealer foolishness. I think that one, I deleted the picture. I would
show you. I think I deleted the picture after I sent it to you, but it was like somewhere around
the ballpark of like 70-ish thousand, I'm guessing. Maybe yeah, somewhere around the 70s for that,
for that one, I believe. And then so we walk around the back, we look at all the other
Mustangs they had lined up there to look at all of them. And then I think with this dealership,
I didn't know this until the guy, the dealer, the dealership salesman came out to us that
all the doors are unlocked and you can look in and go inside every car. I didn't know that.
Yeah. I thought through, usually you go locked up and you have to ask for the keys and check
them out or whatever. But I said, no, you can go up the door and check them out and go inside,
sit inside like every car there. I'm like, no way. So we're sitting inside. I'm checking them out.
But we go back to where the Mustangs are. And they had the base model, which is now just the
EcoBoost, the 2.3 liter EcoBoost is the base model. And then got the GT 5.0 and then they got the
lineup that I saw there for the Mustangs. And even like a base model, like the most basic
base model I could find there, the dealership, I think that one was still in the mid 30s.
Yeah. Cause that's about the, yeah, that's what I was suspect is those like EcoBoosts
are sort of priced similarly to like the Elantra in and like,
and so like the, weirdly enough, like the BRZ or like whatever the GT86, I guess it is now like
that. They keep changing over here. Yeah. Like they're, they're kind of priced pretty similar
to that. And real interesting thing about that that I started thinking about is just how like
the difference in, you know, going from like, you know, the EcoBoost, you know,
four cylinder Mustang, you know, to all the way up the line to some of the craziest things that
exist now with Mustang, like the GTT and GTD and, you know, all of those, like, it's just the lineup
of Mustang is pretty crazy. And there's not like a lot of companies that kind of have such a,
such a range of like power and like performance figures all the way from like, say, you know,
only the only ones I think about are like, you know, charger challenger of like last generation,
where you can have like a V6 charger that, you know, had like 300 horsepower.
Well, Camaro did that too.
Camaro, you know, they had those. They had those.
Yeah. So it's something new. Most car companies, most of them, not all, but most of them have like
a variety of different packages and a variety of different, you know, engines to choose from.
Ford's no different. I remember back in the day, my dad had a Fox body Mustang.
And one of my favorite generations.
Really? That's funny because that's my least favorite generation, the Mustang.
Yeah. Because I think it looks so different from all the other Mustangs in entire history of Mustang.
It's like the most different of all of them.
Except for kind of like it had, it was like almost like an evolution of the Mustang too,
a little bit. Like it was a little bit of a cooler looking Mustang too.
But I do get, I do agree that it definitely was like a difference in the lineage of Mustang for
sure. Right. And he had the 5.0 and it was fast, really torquey, you know, and had lots of torque
and usual, you know, usual stuff or whatever. And, but I remember that model, the, the Fox
body Mustang of that era came with a base model with a four cylinder engine.
Yep. Oh, so that's the SVO, I think when they had a turbo version you could get
of that. But there was also like a wrap talking like there was a regular like base model version
you could get like a regular base base base model. I'm talking, this is like a grandma car.
Grandma's drove it. That was it. And it was super slow. I could have barely imagined.
I mean, I think it was the same engine that powered my Ford Ranger. And if it was that same
engine, Oh God, help us all. It was probably you're all slow. Yeah. I mean, the only thing
it had going for it is probably it was a, maybe a little bit lighter than the Ranger, maybe.
No, no. I mean, maybe the Ranger had a whole truck bed of nothing. So that is a good point though.
You're right. But, but yeah, it was, I can only imagine, but I think that now like when the,
like, well, even today we have by the EcoBoost Mustang, it's fairly powerful. Like over 300
much power thing out of that thing. And Jacob's Mustang, the one we bought, the 2005 Mustang,
it had that 4.0 engine. It's a 4.0 single liver cam V six, which is kind of ironic because the
V six version in that year is a 4.0 and the VA is only a 4.6. But more torque, more power to V
eight, more pistons that I get that. But it's a decent size engine. It's a four liter V six.
Yeah. I never actually realized that it was a, it was a four, a four liter. I know like the,
like the Jeep, those older Jeeps had like a four liter like V six.
But there were straight six of the Jeep. Oh, the straight set. Yeah, you're right.
Yeah. So, so, but this was like big for a six cylinder engine though. I feel like four,
four liters is pretty big for a six cylinder. Today it's really big. Today they would never
make an inch in that size to a V six that size today. They would make it like a three liter
turbo or something like that. Maybe 3.8. The biggest, I think the new Nissan Frontier,
I believe that's a 3.8. And ironically though, when I looked at this Mustang back in 2005,
I wanted to buy one and I was looking at that, but I was also looking at trucks and I was tossed
up between going between the new Nissan Frontier with their four liter V six,
which happens to be the V Q engine or the new Mustang with its four liter V six. And ironically,
I went with the Nissan because it had more power than the Ford Mustang did in their V
six comparison because the V six in the Nissan Frontier had 265 horsepower and the Mustang here
has got 210, but you know, it's a Mustang, once a truck, I get it so on and so forth.
But anyways, the one I bought him has the four liter Mustang V six engine. It's very smooth.
Lots of power delivery. Once you get up on it, we took it on the freeway after you got the thing
or service. Oh, by the way, the service, let me tell you, when I pick the car up after it's all
done, I'm waiting for a long list of things to be fixed. Like, you know, like I'm just expecting
him to say, Hey, oh, it needs like this, this, this, this, this long list of things. Right.
And I go to the counter, I say, what's the damage? It tells you the price of the oil change.
I'm like, no, no, like what needs to be fixed on the car? He says, no, everything looks fine,
except for that handbrake. I say, yeah, because the handbrake for some reason doesn't work in
the car. I knew it when I bought the thing and I thought I was a goofy thing anyways.
But, but that was the only thing he noticed it. I noticed it. Yeah, I get it. But I said,
what about like mechanical stuff? Like, you know, anything, anything like serious, you know,
we need to worry about. He says, no, everything looks fine. The brakes, the brakes are good too.
Like brakes are good. Yeah. They're still in the green. He says, and I'm like,
bless that previous owner and or owners of that car that just like have kept kept it in such
great condition like for 20 years. Right. And I mean, I mean, there are some cosmetic things
like I noticed a tour tear on the one of the seats, like some of the seats are kind of tearing.
And I did notice the floorboards got some, you know, holes in the carpeting and things like that.
You know, things that sort, but, but yeah, it's everything that looks fine, ran fine. So
I was like, yeah, I even drove it around the freeway, kind of, you know,
take up the speed. I got to like over 80 miles an hour of the thing.
And it gets up there pretty quickly. Like it, it smooths up to 80 miles an hour, fairly quick,
even if you're on a hill, because it has all that low end torque that kind of kicks in
early. It has 240 pounds of torque and it kicks in about 3000 RPM. So even a, even a 2000 RPM,
you're getting probably like, you know, 150 torque or, you know, close to 200 torque.
And it does throw you back. It doesn't throw you back quite like a V8 or, you know,
like even your car, when you punch it, not like quite like that. It doesn't have a snappy feel.
Remember, you don't have a turbo that's just like, you know, shoving you. Yeah.
This, this engine is the same engine. At least back then it was the same engine they put in the
Ford Ranger pickup truck. And it's also the same engine they put on the Ford Explorer back then.
So this is like a kind of a truck engine. So it has kind of a truck feel to it, but it's in a
Mustang. Yeah. So it's not designed for like high revs, quick revs, snappy start. It's not
like designed for that. It's more like a, it feels more like a regular car by our truck or SUV,
you know, I guess if you drove an Explorer, maybe like that, without, of course, the roll over
like an Explorer would have, but, but it feels great for the most part. When you get up on it,
it feels fine. It feels like a great car, you know, a great, a great first person's car when
they turn 16, like you don't even want a Mustang, you know, as a first car, like that, I mean,
you know, that, that is an awesome, I'm sure you made that, you made your little guys, you know,
world of just kind of having that be his first like introduction in the cars and getting,
you know, I know he's just itching to get behind the wheel and things too.
Well, that's why I told him, we'll get your tests figured out. Now it's all up to you,
man. You got to take your tests and do your thing. You know, it's all up to you to pass and get
whatever you got to do. I'll pay for the, you know, the course or whatever it takes and I'll
even pay for your, get your license, the DMV, whatever that takes, but you got to get us there.
I did my part. You got to get us the other way. You got to get us, get us across the finish line,
which is cool. And if you don't mind, I wouldn't mind. I want to kind of go,
go back a little bit, a little bit of story time, just kind of going back to this with
Mustangs as, as I want this to be the topic, but just as a, as a little bit of a backstory,
and I've probably shared this a little bit with you, but I don't know if I shared it on,
on the podcast is I have been a Camaro guy my whole life. I have been a diehard Camaro guy.
I'm one of the only people in the world. I feel like this still loves the,
the fourth gen, you know, F body style Camaro. Is that the one that looks like a witch nose in
the front? I've never heard it described like that, but yeah, I know exactly what you're talking
about. Yeah. It's like a pointed arrow. A pointed arrow. Yeah. It kind of, to me, it kind of looks
like, like a bat in the front. Oh, that gets that, that puppy. Yeah. Like, yeah. Actually,
actually, when you see all black ones, especially because they had these like rectangular fog lights
in the corners on the, at the bottom of the grill on the older, the like, you know, earlier
side of like that first. So they really did kind of look like a, like a bat with like the dark eyes
and things like that. But that's still like my favorite Camaro out of all, like all of the
Camaros. But the funny thing that I tell people all the time is that like, no, even though I still
love Camaro, I still want to own a couple of Camaros in my, in my lifetime. I think that Ford
has really won out the war in terms of still having the Mustang first of all, but, you know,
just that the Mustang has become what it is now, like with not only just having like great offerings
on the base model side, but the insane other side of things, you know, just punching way above
their weight class with some of their newer versions of the Mustang that have come out.
And as a Camaro guy, like, I, you know, I kind of feel humbled in that sense where I'm like,
as much as I love the Camaros, like the Camaros shine really wore off really in that like mid,
you know, you know, mid 2010s timeframe going up into the 2020s, the most current design that
came out. Most current design was just really just kind of a half kind of ditch effort to like
try and keep people somewhat interested in it. And Mustang, you know, is there's very few car
lineages that really have studs, you know, stood as strong as Mustang. You know, Corvette is probably
really the only other one like in that realm that's like, you know, I don't count, you know, a year
or two gap, but, you know, really just like no gaps, like constant generations, like never take
a break just constantly. Did they have a gap in the Mustang? Not with the Corvette. I wouldn't say
it was more than like a year gap, if anything, and I could definitely fact check on that. But
even with the Mustang, I don't really feel like it was more than like a year or two.
Did you know though that in like, I think before the nineties came out that Ford had a car called
the Ford probe? Now that was supposed to replace the Mustang. Yeah, I remember some stories about
that. Yeah. And eventually I think, I mean, I mean, everybody got pissed. I would think, I would
imagine, you know, and so, you know, uproar back then before the internet, of course. And no, they
made, they redesigned it, but I think they were hanging onto that Fox body for a while. I think
that Fox body, I think I've also too back then the Fox body was a completely different design
for the Mustang. Yeah. Very boxy, I guess the Fox body, maybe. And then, you know, they went this
whole like bubbly, like, then yeah, I don't remember chassis codes and stuff on the Mustang,
but yeah, like that, that earlier, which actually I really do enjoy like that. Like the, like for
like Camaro Mustang of the nineties, I'm actually kind of a big fan of that's the fourth generation
we were thinking of. It's had that bubbly look, but they also made a chiseled version of it too
in 2000. They had like sort of a half. Yeah. Like where it was a similar sort of design, but they
did like some different, it was like more of like squared off lighting and they brought back, you
know, the, they still had like kind of the three, you know, the three line tail lights, but they
kind of did a little different design with it. The funny thing is, is it's, it's kind of weird
that I'm like, you know, I grew up like being a Camaro guy that I was so into Camaros because
my brother actually had like a pretty mid condition Fox body Mustang. It was like the earlier gen,
like, which I love the most. Like I didn't really like it as much when they started to add some of
like the body kits and the spoiler. It's like the GT. I like that. It looks like a little skirt on
the bottom to like look like it was when we lowered. I just, that's when it kind of dropped
off for me. Like I really, really love like the, the simple, just body lines of like the earlier
Fox body Mustangs and he had one. It was a, it was a five speed manual. You know, I never ever
got a chance to drive it, although my mom had it for, you know, probably like a decade or so.
And, you know, it was just sitting in our driveway. And, you know, I never had a chance
to drive the car. And, and to this day, I'm, you know, I'm probably, it's probably good that I
didn't because it would have started me on a trajectory of cars that I probably was not
kind of ready for because those things were, even though they didn't have a lot of power on paper,
they were a lot lighter than like, you know, you know, Mustangs and obviously modern cars.
And so they're like, power to weight was, was pretty great for like the time being,
but they're known for just being a bit of widow makers. If you don't know what you're
doing with something like that. So, you know, I, I, I'm, it's probably better off that I never
had a chance to experience it, but I just find it funny that I was so, I gravitated so much to
Camaro, even though like I had a Fox body Mustang literally just right in front of me.
And, you know, it's just interesting how that all works, but maybe it could be just,
you want to be different, you know, you want on something that was a different flavor
of cool car in the same like realm, like pony car realm, but something that's a little different.
You know, I can see that too. You know, like, oh, I see this, what else is in this, in this
era of, you know, pony cars, you know, that I kind of like, like gravitate to, you know,
that could be it too. I mean, especially if it's, yeah, like when it comes to your brother and,
you know, just, just to be transparent, my, my brother passed away when I was pretty young,
you know, early 2000s, but, you know, that's why my mom had the car for a while. And, and,
you know, but back then, like obviously as a brother, like, you know, when he was still around,
I was like, Oh yeah, my brother has this and it's cool, but like, what else is cool? Like you,
you kind of want to be, like you say, you kind of want to be different. I definitely agree with
that a little bit. So, you know,
the thing about different is that I remember when the 2005, the S one, nine, seven chassis came out
for this, the one that we got Jacob is that I thought that was the coolest looking Mustang
up to that point. In fact, I think even today, I like that design. This is purely a design
because it's very, very retro. It is like, we are going to do full load
flashback to 2000 to 1965. And we're going to be making a literally like a modern version of
the classic car. And I thought that was super cool. But of course, back then a lot of other
companies did the same thing. Was it like, well, who had that stupid like wagon thing? I know the
HHR from PT Cruiser, PT Cruiser. And then of course the SSR. Yeah. Yeah. So that whole like
mid early 2000s was like, all about this retro rage thing going on. And I think the Mustang
really killed it with it. Now that I've driven it and have driven it around that model, I get it.
I totally get it. Even the gauges look so retro. Like everything looks retro on the thing. Like
it's such a flashback to 1965. And it's a super cool design. I just, I just always dig it because
I think the early Mustangs, the ones that everybody thinks of and they think of Mustang
and think of like 1965, 67, those years of Mustangs, this car, like literally looks like that.
So the coolest era of Mustang we get in like a modern ish car, at least in 2005. And so that's
why I kind of liked it. They kind of lived. Yeah, no, I don't have to cut you off, but they kind
of led the charge. Like everybody else kind of came along afterwards. The challenger came back
and I will say the challenger did really capture that look for me too. I feel like of like the
classic charger, but in a modern realm, but they were, they were following what the Mustang did.
Like, you know, the Mustang led the charge and the, you know, the challenger came and then
the Camaro kind of way later, you like towards the end of that decade. I still like, I mean,
still seeing that reveal of the concept Camaro in the Transformers movie.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
One of the most iconic things ever, but again, they were playing catch up to the Mustang
having done it already and done it very successfully.
Well, the Senior Vice President of Design back in 2005, they referred to it as
quote retro futurism and quote. It's what they called that design a retro future design,
which I think it sums up pretty well because it's like newer looking, but it's still retro
looking at the same time. And, and I remember that, like I said, they came out with a new
powerful V six more powerful than the previous version. And in fact, I think we're one guy
said that he used to have an older Mustang. Like I don't know what year he had was an older
Mustang. Maybe about him a Fox body. I think it was a Fox body. And he just purchased the V six
version of the 2005 when it came out. And he was so impressed with the V six and the power.
He said it had almost much power as his Fox body did maybe even more depending on what version he
had. And here you get the entry level cover car has the same power. If I'm more than the old Fox
body, you know, V eight did back in the day. And so I guess with technology now, like everything's
getting more powerful. Like you think about the eco boost, you know, Mustang today is like over
300 horsepower, which is like more than the GT had back in 2005. So it's like, it's kind of evolves
with time. Everything goes by, but, but it's evolving. What is Ford announced? They're going
to be doing this with a new Mustang or Mustangs of the future. Yeah. So I just find it, you know,
again, just super interested. Like my, my like Instagram feed and different things are just
full of like all this news around the Mustang. And, you know, the G G T D has been super popular
in the news now. So what is the GT G T G? Can you say it right? G D D T D G T D. Yeah,
it really is. Like they, you know, I get why they named it that just, I was watching some clips from
like the racing series where this car is supposed to kind of be a homologation of that series.
And so that's why they kind of went and named it that way. But the G T D is literally a Porsche
competitor basically. And, but it utilizes kind of the typical, you know, recipe that we, you know,
know about Mustangs like 5.2 liter supercharged V eight with insane power out front engine rear
drive, front, front engine rear drive, you know, crazy arrow and all of that. But, you know, power
range is really the top end is like around 800 ish horsepower, 800 plus horsepower, which is
just absolutely insane. What's the range on that? You know, I don't actually, I'll probably try to
see if I can view because I think some of those like could rev out like, I remember the 3 GT 350
Rs. Yeah. I don't think that it has as much of a rev range as that. That is a good point for sure.
I don't think it revs out as high as that in terms and just has that like screaming,
like flat plane, you know, V eight, you know, kind of feel, but I 7,600 I just google it.
And so, you know, that, that's still pretty high honestly for like a V eight.
Oh, definitely as high as our V eight. But I heard the 5.0 the engine I have in my truck,
well I have the truck version, but I heard that engine, the 5.0 coyote can rev high.
I heard it can rev high at the high revving engine for a V eight anyways. It's not pushrod. It's not,
you know, cast iron and all that crap, like the other, like the other older V eights of,
you know, back in the day can rev out higher. So it might be based on that maybe.
Yeah. It, you know, river range is kind of, you know, V eights in the past were a little
bit more limited and restricted. You see them like around 6,000 RPMs. Like they're,
they're like, they're done off from there. Yeah. The interesting thing and yeah,
kind of get into what you're asking about the new, the new dark horse. I guess you can say
one thing before getting into that is, you know, they're going supercharged with that.
The current dark horse, I believe has still stayed as like an NA five liter coyote engine,
I believe. But one thing about that is that I have a buddy of mine that has a dark horse,
put a lot of money and work into this thing. And I just don't like it. We'll throw it.
No, but he's just one of those kinds of guys that just says I'm about, I'm about to mod the car
when I get it kind of feel. Gotcha. So he, I was just on Instagram the other day and he posted a
dyno, but like a dyno run of the car and then put the result of like horsepower that he's
getting because he actually added a supercharger kit to his dark horse. Oh nice. How much horsepower
do you think that he put to the wheels with a supercharged supercharger kit? I can't,
I don't remember the company that does the supercharger kit for him, but just if you were
to throw out a gas, well, I can tell you what I know from what my experience is that when I bought
my Ford F-150 Roush with the Coyote V8 engine, there is a supercharger version I could have got
of the car, of the truck. And that one said it pushed numbers just about, I think over 700.
So I wonder what in that version probably, I'm guessing 800 maybe? More than that. Really?
Well, of course he's done some work too. He's done some other things.
So he's got a tune on the thing too, and he's probably shooting flames. I don't know. Is
it a thousand of the thing? He's just under that. He said the dyno result put it and he showed
kind of a result from it was 985 horsepower. That's just nuts. That's just nuts, but it's all
bragging rights. Like literally what you do is you go to cars and coffee and you make a big
print out of that thing and stick it on the windshield. That's what you do with that. That's
and you have the hood open and show the supercharger. You got to show, you got to show all that work
for sure. Oh, definitely. Definitely. Just the craziest thing is just to hear it on the dyno.
Like you normally hear, yeah, you normally hear like a regular dyno run, like they start and
they're like, you know, they're one to one gear and it just revs up and like as you get more
power, you hear it like it goes a little bit faster. Like the moment you get on the gas,
it's like you hear once the supercharger kicks in, it just literally just like,
it's like a one second deal all the way to red line. And it's just the craziest thing to watch.
Wow. So, but what do you do with that though? Like, what, what do you, what would somebody
use that for? I mean, other than just like, check this out, see what I can do and like
pin them back in the seat. Other than that, which you can do it a Tesla, by the way.
Other than that, what are you going to do with that?
There's not a whole lot without getting in some big trouble.
Either, either like mechanical trouble, accident trouble or police trouble.
Yeah. I mean, cause he has, I have talked to him too. And he has mentioned that he's not,
like he's not even with all this power. He's not really looking to necessarily kind of get out
on like, you know, prep service drag strips, because even, you know, putting all this money
into the power figures, if you're not bolstering like other portions of the car, it's super easy
to just like break stuff just out of the gate, you know, because of just like the traction
that you get from like on a prep surface and putting all of that power down.
It's a totally different game, you know, with what you have to do to make sure a car is like
reliable in that instance. And so he's not even really interested in that, you know,
really, you know, the straight line drag strips fee, which I mean, if, you know,
if he was, I mean, he'd be probably be killing it, you know, with that much power,
but is it automatic or stick shift? It's a, I believe it's a manual. I'm pretty sure it is.
The automatic will probably be quicker if that's your goal. And you got to learn your
learning shifting. I always kind of wonder when you, when you modify a car like that,
I'm pretty sure that the standard transmission and drive axle can probably handle it, but I'm not
sure, you know, because you're starting to go like double the power. Well, almost,
almost double the power it came with. Yeah, almost double. Yeah. Cause they're about five,
but people do that with cars all the time. But I mean, I think that at like, for example, if you
were to, well, your car, if you would double the horsepower in your car, would it break things?
You think you, I mean, on a prep surface, you probably would start running into some limitations
if you like breaking mechanical parts in the vehicle where the actual torque goes to like
the torque converter and goes to everything. Actually, like, yeah, like you talk, I mean,
I don't know how a front wheel drive kind of works. Yeah. Cause with front wheel drive,
like you're, you don't really have a lot of distance of travel from like where, you know,
the, the engine to where it's putting the power down, right? You, you don't have a whole, you
know, drive shaft is taking it from the front to the back. So there's probably not as, I mean,
they're, you know, you're probably still, they're internals that are probably, you know,
things to factor in, but I would say it's maybe a little less than like with a, again,
a front wheel drive or an all wheel drive car where you just have all of this complicated,
you know, componentry to like get things put the power down. You're, you're really, your engine is
in line with the wheels that it's driving. So there's just maybe a little bit less stress points
overall. But when you're talking double the power, you know, you know, I know some guys
that are pushing about three 90 to 400 horsepower with like the end cars, which is insane. Like,
I can't imagine what that's like. Torque is really, was going to break something as far as torque.
Yeah. And torque, funny enough with these, like torque usually ends up being a bit higher than
the horsepower than the wheel, you know, horsepower rating. Like even with mines, when I had a dyno,
it dynoed at 200 or 317 to the wheels, but it put it torque wise, it was like 320 something or
something like that. Turbos do, turbos are known for putting on a lot of torque. Yeah. Let me
turbo charge semi-trucks or I'll turbo charge them in diesel and things like that. And of course,
the EcoBoost was a big torque, you know, they bragged about much torque a thing had, you know.
Yeah. And those things do have a lot of torque though, when you step on them, they do go very
smooth. They ramp up very fast. They're just like, all of a sudden you're just pushing you like a,
just constantly pushing you, you know, almost like an EV does a little bit, you know, but not quite,
but it's not quite there. The interesting thing is that like, you know, I drive, I do a lot of
highway driving, not to make this all about the, the Elantra, and I know we're talking best things,
but I do a lot of highway driving with the end. And I really, there's really a situation where I
have to like get out of six gear when I'm on the highway, you know, especially when I'm at
highway speeds, because usually RPM wise, I'm like right around 3000 RPMs. And so 3000 RPM at what
speed? At about 70, high 70s, like about 80 or so. Okay. I'm trying to give me comparisons for when
I remember when I was in my Z, I believe it was 3000 RPM, 80 miles an hour.
Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's about the same. Like I would say we're right about that in the end.
And in terms of like, if I ever am going like past somebody, like I'll just bash the gas like
once, once, you know, peak boosts comes in, which is pretty quick around 3000 RPMs, the car just goes.
Like, you know, there's only like rare occasions where I might drop in the fifth and then go for
pass and everything. But it's just to say that like, yeah, like the torque that you get from
these turbocharged engines is pretty impressive. Right. Torque is what really helps you pass the
car, I think. Yeah. Especially if you're cruising at like a lower RPM and you're like gassed at that
RPM at highway speed to get around somebody without downshifting. Yeah. It's hard. Yeah. And I will
say like, yeah, if I was like, if I was going, say like, you know, if I was somewhere in the like
mid to low 2000 RPM range, it would, it would definitely not be the same effect as if you're
like in the higher 2000, you know, 2500 3000 range. But, you know, at the end of the day, it's a,
you do one thing back on the, the must, the, the Mustang, particularly with the dark horse is
the, I think the NA version of that car, just the base, like the dark horse is just such a pure
experience that you probably don't really get a chance to experience these days in the age of
turbochargers and even superchargers. Then I feel like that's one of the reasons why people really
love the dark horse is just to have that pure NA, you know, five liter kind of experience in a car
that actually really handles well as well. It's really nimble. And they got the full Brembo.
And if I think a full, of course, got Brembo brakes, they full Ricardo seats and they have
breaking. Yeah. And they got the, the dark horse stamps all over everything and they're very bolstered.
They're very nice. In fact, if you were to pick one up at the dealership, the dealer
upcharges initial, I think five grand it was on top of whatever the price is for those things.
And I asked the guy at the dealer, I said, is this only for the dark horses? Yeah,
these are only for the dark horses. We have the markups, the regular GTs and the regular
Mustang, you know, base model Mustangs are not, but even a regular GT will probably set you back
somewhere in like, you know, 40 range, 40s or something that maybe 50,
spending up what kind of trim you get and different things. And then you start getting
the dark horses were like 70s, maybe 80s, you know, that kind of range.
And it'll be interesting where they said, where the supercharges SC version sits.
Well, it's probably going to be over a hundred thousand dollars or close to a hundred thousand
dollars. And I'm sure the dealership will mark those up, probably 15, 20 grand, maybe more,
I don't know. You know, I really don't know. I mean, but I think about that engine, like even
with a regular, take, take, take just a regular, like Mustang GT, like a brand new Mustang GT today,
nothing fancy, just a bigger GT. You can put around a supercharger, a Shelby supercharger on
there. And you can probably crank out another like, you know, 203 and a horse part of that thing.
Yeah. And get just about, just about there. Of course, it's not free. I mean, superchargers
aren't cheap. And then, well, and then you got to put them on and, you know, a lot of stuff and,
you know, maintenance and repair and all that stuff. And of course,
Well, in a piece of mind, you know, piece of mind you get from like having it, having it be a factory,
of course, a factory, you know, solution, as opposed to, you know, no matter how much
R and D these third parties do, like, you know, Roush is obviously like one where it's like,
yeah, we kind of know, like they, they've been pretty symbiotic with Ford for a while.
I think at the Ford dealer, they'll put a Roush, because they offered me on my other truck to put
a Roush supercharger on my other truck. And I think the guy said it's fully warranty on or
something. I forget, but they said they do, they'll do it. They'll do that on my other F-150.
And I'm like, really? You guys do that? Because I thought my F-150, the older F-150, like supercharged
that thing. Come on now. I guess it's a 5.0 minus well, right? So they have the whole kit for it
and everything set up. I think it's around 700 horsepower. Now the kit, I was looking at the
price for it back then, not recently, but back then, I think that supercharger kit for my truck
was right around 12 to $14,000, I believe, for the kit. And of course, there's other components
you need, like new injectors. And I forget what else you need, but it's just about some new stuff
you need for the car plus, plus labor installation. I ain't touching that thing. I'm not touching that
thing. I'm not taking that thing apart. I would screw that up so fast. So, so all at the door,
you probably look at about 20 grand or so, maybe more. So factor in 20 grand on top of
purchase price on top of that. Yeah. If you're going to buy, I say, I say a $45,000
Mustang GT and then another 20 grand on top of that. So like 65,000 or whatever, never take,
you know? But if the SE is, if the SE is like high nineties over 100. Oh, it's gotta be. It's
probably a value base there. Pretty sure of say, just go with a GT and get a solid Roush kit and
call it a day. I was thinking, you know, it's funny, I was thinking about that too,
but I have my truck and everybody asked me, why didn't I splurge on the supercharger version of
my truck? I said, dude, those things were a hundred grand. That's why. And I, because mine's just a
regular 5.0, but it feels great. Lots of power. Sounds great. Different shift, different driving
modes. You put it in the racing mode I like to call, which is the sport mode. I call it racing
mode because it retunes the entire like exhaust and like valve system. It sounds like a completely
different engine. It sounds like, I would say like the monster trucks you heard, but it kind of,
it kind of sounds like a Baja like race truck. Like if you go to Baja, you see the Baja 1000,
you see them racing behind the Baja 1000 trucks. It kind of sounds like that a little bit. And
when you're in the race mode, I call the race mode sport mode, whatever, with my exhaust and
that engine. And so it makes this pretty cool. And like, I think I remember us telling somebody
about that. It's like, you know, even if I had the supercharger, it would be just like showing off.
It would just be like bragging rights. That would be the only reason I would even have the thing
that you burn through more gas, requires premium, you know, it's just, you know, you burn through it.
It's just like, it's just a party trick, really a bragging rights party trick, whatever.
I don't think I would actually reuse that like physically on the road.
Like they would need, say, I need the supercharger. I need the seven on horsepower. I don't think I do.
Yeah. That's, yeah. I think my truck, my truck hold to what you need versus, you know, just,
yeah, what, what you can have. Well, it's still impressive even with my 400, 400 horsepower I
have, it's still fairly decent. It's fairly impressive, you know, and it hauls at toes,
you know, it, it does, it does, does what it does, you know, and it sounds great. It looks great.
I love it. So I'm not, I'm not worried about it. So I thought if I had like a regular Mustang 5.0,
I, or the dark horse, regular 5.0, non supercharged, I don't think I don't think I want to do that.
I don't think I want to do that. I think they're cool. I saw some supercharged Shelby's today.
It's a whole Shelby thing. It's totally different. I get it, but I don't know. I think they're just
cool the way they are. Maybe I'm just getting too old where like, I don't need to have the fastest
thing on the planet. Like, oh, yours goes 800 horsepower. Well, I'll make mine a thousand.
Oh, yours goes a thousand. I'll make my 1200. At some point it's like, are you even going to use that
power? Yeah. And, and yeah, no, I mean, to that point, I think it's, it's cool when people push
the boundary. Like I will say that it's like, it's cool to see like a platform that say was maybe a
big conservative on the front end, just for obvious reasons, because it's like a warrantied
item from a manufacturer. Like they tend to lean on the conservative side, but to see
like the boundary pushed is always a pretty interesting thing. But I think we talked about
a while back is like, yeah, like what are your reasons maybe for doing that? And you know,
if it's, if it's purely just a competition, then yeah, like, you know, weigh it up. Like,
is it really worth it? Cause there's a lot that, you know, you got to put into a car
to really get, you know, those type of performance figures out of it. Like it's not just simply
slapping the supercharger on it. Like as you talked about, like there's a lot that goes into that.
But it's just, just numbers on a screen. It's the printout they give you. It says, oh, I hit 500
horsepower to the wheels. Woohoo. Okay. What do you do with it? What do you do next? I don't know,
frame it. What do you do with this? You know? Yeah. Well, I am about to hit up the, I hit up my
buddy that did that though. I'm like, I think I need to maybe experience a light pull in this thing
just to see what it's like. Yeah. I'm going to, yeah, I'm aware of it. And yeah. It makes
sure it's a rainy day. It's going to get tires. Yeah. Yeah. I got to experience that. I think
though the pull feeling you're going to get in something like that or anything. It's like,
you know, the 500 and 700 horsepower, like even the Shelby's, whatever,
I think the kind of pull feeling you're going to get, it's going to feel very similar. I mean,
you've driven the EVs, you've driven the Teslas, you've driven the Cybertruck,
the Cybertruck, the Silverado thing. So you know that pull feeling feels like,
it does feel different as a passenger though. I'll give you that. As a passenger in a car,
the pull feels way different than the driver feeling. It does. And it's been a long time since
I've experienced that on the other side, you know, been on, been on the passenger side of
like a high horsepower car. So any car for the most part, you get, you're going to be a passenger
and somebody who, who likes the throttle down, every car there is going to feel real fast.
I give you, it could be like a Mazda Miata base model. That's like super fast. Holy crap.
It's just because the snappiness, the quickiness, because you're not prepared
for the control of the car. Like when you're a passenger, I think I figured this out.
When you're a passenger, you have literally no control over the throttle and control of
the gears and the shifting and the shift patterns and no control of anything. You're just riding
like a roller coaster, right? So you have no control over anything. And so because, because
you have no control, it feels way, way faster on the passenger side than it does on the driver's
side, no matter what car you're in. And so I remember when I had my Z, I would give people
rides and the thing and I would throw them back and I'd be like, I don't even go in that fast.
And they're like, holy crap, we're going so fast. I said, I don't want to go to that fast.
And I really go. Yeah. But I wonder if that's like where like the human nature where like,
you know, some people got that like tendency when they're accelerating to like kind of put
their hand out to the dash and like put their hands straight out like that. I don't know if
you ever noticed that in like videos, like where people were like on the passenger side,
like their reaction videos, but I feel like for, for car people are like people that are super
used to being the one doing that. They're like, they're, they're instinct of like putting their
hand out in the dash like that is like kind of them wanting to take control, but then realizing
that they can't because they're not the one driving. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because they, or
you put, you hit down on the pretend brake pedal on the right. Yeah. Or yeah. You see them. Yeah.
They're legs tense up like as if they were like, they're going to slow the car down,
but it's like, Oh yeah, I'm not in control to do that. Like that's an interesting psychological
study to see like why do people react a certain way? And also too, when you drive your car,
I'm sure it's probably happened to you where you start to get used to the power and get used to
the speed and get used to it. You're kind of like, it doesn't feel as fast to you as it did
when you first bought it. Has it happened to you yet? There's times where, yeah, where it, yeah,
I get pretty used to it. I always get reminded about, you know, just again, having more power
than I did stock is when it's like a little cold outside, when the tires are a little cold or
when it might be a little damp and you give it a little bit of extra power than you should.
And you get a little bit of that wheel spin, but then once it hooks, you, you get that pull.
So there's times that I still get reminded of it, but that, that definitely is something
that I think we all experience is, you know, even when we upgrade our car and we get to that car
really, because we get used to the power and we're like, man, this thing feels slow.
What are you going to do? This car feels so slow right now. It happened to me, I think,
with my Z and stuff. And it does, you know, it happens, you know, over time, that's
when I was driving the thing. I think it feels very fast to me, but the passenger over here is
like, oh my God, so fast or whatever and stuff. And then I of course would do a drift slide.
Like I would, I would take off traction control. I remember doing this and when I would like go
from first to second and kind of like let the clutch, you know, slip a little bit and then hit
the throttle. It would, the tires in the rear would like fishtail and like slide.
I would do that. And a couple of times I actually did some donuts with the kid in the car by my
son in the car. They're the old house. I did like one, not like a bunch in a row, but I just said
one, there was this area that was kind of known to be doing that. I didn't know if the cops were
going to be there or not, but I was like real quick there. I think to do real quick. I did a
quick little like, like, you know, turn around or whatever the thing. In fact, in fact, it could
be heard from the house. They can hear me doing it. Yeah. But courage, man. This has been so much
fun. Have you stopped by tonight, man? I really appreciate you. Stop and buy and your launcher
and all your cool stuff. All your cool things you do, man. Yeah, for sure, man. You know, at the
end of the day, it's all about cars and it's just cool just knowing the car car culture is alive
and well. We're still getting crazy horsepower cars, you know, out there and crazy V eight
strong horsepower cars live long, the V eight live long, the V eight. I am here for it. So
Oh man. And so you listen at home, what a fall along. You go over to cool cars with Chris
dot com, all the cool stuff right over there. And we will see you on the very next episode.
Until then be safe, drive safe, stay legal and do not crash your Mustang into a light pole.
Please see too many of those guys do that. Don't do it.
About this episode
Exploring the excitement of monster truck rallies and the retro appeal of the 2005 Mustang, this episode features a lively discussion on the evolving horsepower wars in the automotive world. Chris shares his experience taking his son to a monster truck event, highlighting the thrill and sensory overload of the show. The conversation also delves into Ford's ambitions with the Mustang and its competition against high-performance brands like Porsche, questioning whether pushing cars to 1,000 horsepower is necessary or just for bragging rights.
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Original notes
This episode of Cool Cars with Chris is all about the 2005 Ford Mustang, first cars, and the modern Mustang horsepower arms race. I talk about buying a 2005 Mustang V6 S197 as a first car for my teen driver, what it’s like putting a new driver into an older muscle car, and how that led me down a rabbit hole of Dark Horse Mustang, Mustang GTD, EcoBoost vs 5.0 GT, and even 1,000 hp Mustang builds. We also get into taking the kids to Monster Jam, loud monster trucks, car culture, and real-world driving with a V6 Mustang in 2025. If you’re searching for Mustang podcast, car podcast, first car advice, pony car comparison, or just love Ford Mustang S197 content, this episode is for you.
I just bought my 16-year-old a 2005 Ford Mustang V6 as his first car… and it accidentally sent me down a 1,000 horsepower Mustang rabbit hole.
In this episode of Cool Cars with Chris, I’m hanging out with my buddy Courage talking about first cars, retro Mustangs, Monster Jam, and how a simple V6 S197 turned into me obsessing over Dark Horse Mustangs, Mustang GTD, and 1,000 hp builds.
I break down why I think the 2005–2009 Mustang (S197) might be one of the best first cars for a teen driver today, what it’s like putting my kid in a 20-year-old Mustang, and how it actually feels on the freeway compared to modern cars. We also get into California teen driver rules, permits, and what it’s like getting real seat time in your “forever remembered” first car.
From there, we zoom out to the bigger Mustang world:
EcoBoost vs 5.0 GT vs Dark Horse – which one actually makes sense for real people?
Why the Mustang GTD exists, what it’s trying to be, and how it stacks up against Porsche money
A wild 985 whp supercharged Mustang build we saw online and whether 1,000 hp is just dyno/Instagram flex or something you can actually use on the street
We also talk about taking my kids to Monster Jam, how insanely loud modern monster trucks are even from the nosebleeds, the chaos of stadium parking, and realizing you’ve officially become the “leave early to beat traffic” adult.
If you’re into Mustangs, pony cars, first car nostalgia, or you’re a parent trying to pick a fun but reasonable first car for your kid, this episode is for you.
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00:00 🚀 Teaser – Monster Jam, 2005 Mustang & 1,000 HP Mustang Problem
01:17 🤝 Meet Courage – Legendary YouTuber & Monster Truck Fan
02:33 🏟️ Taking the Kids to Monster Jam (Second Time, Better Weather)
04:29 🛻 New Monster Jam Trucks: Megalodon, Skateboard Truck & Circus Theme
05:18 🦻 How Loud Is Monster Jam? Ear Protection, Stadium Noise & City Vibes
07:27 🚦 Leaving Early to Beat Traffic & Realizing You’re “Old Now”
09:29 🐎 Main Topic Shift – Let’s Talk Mustangs
11:41 🎓 Teen Driver in California: Permit Rules, Online Course & First Car Plan
12:34 🐴 Buying a 2005 Mustang V6 Premium as a First Car
16:26 🧰 Ford “The Works” Inspection, CarFax Clues & Previous Owner Mystery
18:02 🏬 Browsing the Ford Lot: EcoBoost, GT & Dark Horse Pricing Talk
21:19 🐊 Fox-Body Stories, Slow 4-Cylinder Mustangs & Old-School 5.0 V8
23:36 ⚙️ 4.0L V6 Specs – Torque, Truck Roots & How the 2005 Mustang Pulls
26:23 🛣️ First Freeway Drives – 80 mph Hills, Ride Quality & Daily Feel
28:07 🏁 Motivating a Teen to Finish Their License & Actually Drive the Mustang
29:49 🐎 Mustang vs Camaro, Charger & Challenger – Who Won the Pony Car War?
36:50 🎨 Why the 2005 S197 “Retrofuturism” Mustang Design Still Slaps
39:10 🏎️ What Is the Mustang GTD? Porsche-Fighting Track Monster Explained
42:06 📈 Instagram Dyno Runs & a 985 WHP Supercharged Mustang Build
47:36 🌀 Turbo Torque vs N/A V8 – Elantra N, Boost & Real-World Driving
58:05 🎢 Passenger vs Driver – Experiencing High Horsepower from the Right Seat
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