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I hope, uh, I hope you're having a good day. I'm having, I'm having a pretty good morning
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day. It's been an 11, 11 day auction. Long auction. They did 11 days because of Christmas.
They didn't want auctions ending on Christmas. So they gave me some days, a few other people,
some days too. I think that was a wise move. I appreciate it. There's obviously been a lot
of action. There's 234 comments, but dude, the strategies that I learned from Wab are paying
off because this motherfucker's got page views. This thing's got big numbers on it, eyeballs on it.
So I'm pretty confident we're going to do well. And concisely, what were his three tips
for people who didn't listen to that show? Like an auction page is content and you have to treat
it as such. And so I posted almost exclusively on this page for the last like week. Like I didn't
post much on Instagram. I didn't, I wasn't like, we didn't have a lot of videos or anything like,
oh shit, the board isn't done. Zach was rushing. Going live was more important than going live
with good audio. You feel me? Yeah. But we have audio in the chat. Tell me how it sounds because
one level says it looks good and one is bright red. Okay. So we got 14 minutes remaining.
We got $155,000 and I can't talk. I don't want to talk about the reserve because people could
be watching it bidding right now listening through iPad. No, you're good. We're good. Yeah. Okay.
But I've written down Zach and I talked about on the last show the unspoken NSX target price
prizes. So if the car gets to one of the benchmarks that's in this envelope,
which we'll learn afterwards, then we're going to get to do something to spend the money,
to spend, to spend a little bit of money, a little bit of money, right? Because like,
remember, Coontosh, right? Mercedes, Coontosh, Mercedes. Yeah. Those are, these are, there's,
but, but just saying, if we do well, we can have some other fun too.
Now, do you want me to open this and just watch the thing and then cheer when it hits things?
I don't know. What do you think is the most? What do you think is, I don't want, because like,
I don't want it to, I don't want it to like interfere with the bidding. You know what I mean?
Because someone could be watching and bidding while we're doing this. So I kind of don't want to talk
about milestones and like whether I've made profit like in real time. We can, I'm happy to talk about
the math of all of this car, very honestly, afterwards. But like in the meantime, it's like,
for the next 13 minutes, it's like, let's make some fucking money.
If I don't want to advertise. We need to earn the money before, but I will say this,
the number on the screen, which is 155, is the lowest number on the sheet. So we've got a third
place finish already. We've got, oh no, there's about 12 places on that. I did it like maybe like
every like 5,000 bucks. Oh, okay. I thought you went one, two, three. No, no, no. There's
opportunities to have some fun here. So I'm happy that like, we're in a good place now though,
where it's not like, if it were to sell at this at 155, like we're done, that's fine.
We're having a happy day. We're having a happy day at that. We're like, that's ownership of a car,
is what we're talking about. Oh, interesting update. I thought, because T.A., T.S.T. Patreon,
T.A., who asked questions once in a while, our friend, is who I bought this car off of.
And he told me in total good faith, as far as I know, that this had a comp tech exhaust on it.
Truth is, it's a science of speed exhaust, which is an equal quality. I looked it up,
it's like a $1,900 exhaust, and the car does come with a stock exhaust too. Someone in the chat,
oh, can you scroll down to the comments so we can answer questions in real time?
So this car has two exhaust systems, and that's very rare. That's a special feature.
That's why it's an NA2. But if someone is in the chat or watching the stream,
I can't type at the same time. So maybe, oh, Zach, are we logged in to Cars and Bids?
We're not. Well, some people are on the stream. If you hear me answer a question,
it's in the comments. Type that shit in the chat, please.
But yeah, in the chat, someone said, oh, it's a science of speed exhaust. And some say that's
actually better than a comp tech exhaust. One guy says it sounds a little better than a comp tech
exhaust. And it's better to use this science of speed exhaust on the NA2s, whereas the comp tech,
maybe it was better on the NA1s, whatever. But it's not the brand I thought it was. There's no
markings on it, as it turns out. Someone had to send me a link to the website and was like,
that looks like it. Wow. So I'm not even 100% certain, but that's what we think it is.
Man, I want to see. Someone's got a... I got a couple fans email me and say that they're in the
game. Yeah, you need someone to come in. One fan drunk emailed me. This morning? No, no,
like a couple days ago, like two o'clock in the morning, and told me that they told me their
top number. Like, I'm in up to this, and I know this person was drunk. Please bid that.
So we haven't seen that commitment yet. I have not seen that level of follow through yet. I'm
in 300,000 dollars. This number was big. Please bid that.
Like, oh, that's fucking good. He woke up in the morning, he looked at that, he's like, oh, no.
Let's fucking go. Patreon membership canceled. I'll tell you what, if you bid that,
comp for life. Lifetime comp, dude. What do you got? It's like you see, I need to get some of that.
In the interim, I've been, huh? Thaddeus is here in the background. He doesn't want to play today.
He doesn't want to play today. He's in the corner chair, but he wants to fucking,
you're a coffee boy today. That's fine. Thank you. Oh, dude. This is, this is gonna be nice.
I think it's, the person that buys this is going to be so, so, so, so excited. So excited.
It is a perfect example. Like this person commented, it's accurate. You did engine out
maintenance after you, after you bought the car? Well, I had to, because the car had only done,
like, 300 miles in the last, like, eight years. And the last engine out was 2014. So that's nine
years and you're supposed to do it, like, every six or seven. So it needed doing. It wasn't like,
you know, but like, I was like, I'd better, I'd like to drive this car and not think about this.
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accurate dealers could do it without taking the engine out. And there's like a couple of shops
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One of the hours are the same or similar to. Thank you.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It wasn't cheap. It was like, it was like 6,800 bucks.
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All right. We got a few folks in the game. Diamond Motorworks has a 6.2k
social hierarchy fucking score on cars and bids. That is an active participant in the game and
high bid is STRK at 160. And can I get a 160? Can I get a 160? Now we got something.
Now we got something. Now 160. Now 165. 165. Now hearing 165. Now at 165.
You've got three people battling a little bit here. Let's go 160. Let's go now hearing 165.
165. We got a lot of eyeballs on this. I usually say to my clients and we're selling cars
that if I can get a thousand watchers on your car, you'll get market price.
Like then we do basically every time. We've had no duds. They could be stressful,
but we've had no duds with that strategy. We have like, can does it show you? 2,500 watchers.
That's nice. That's the cold bear bump. That's nice. Yeah. Well I went on Spikes podcast with it.
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Me too. I was surprised.
Crazy. Did you see a special?
I wonder if it'll be more interesting.
See Segura's new special?
Not yet.
It's good. Teacher on Netflix.
Okay. I'll check it out.
The first 10 is him absolutely shitting on Vespas.
Yeah. It's very funny. There's some good ones in there.
And he's wearing quite the timepiece. There are some heavy watches in comedy specials now.
This is the new thing. I saw Kumail's special. He's wearing a Nautilus and Tommy Boy is wearing
the AP Star Wheel in his special, which is a fucking... Actually, that's... Remember the
watch we were talking about yesterday? That ear work with the three-axis spinning thing?
This is AP's version of that.
Oh, so it's probably...
It's even more expensive.
Yeah.
But oh boy. I'm going to go with the AP's.
Actually, it's cheaper.
Is it?
Yeah. It's half the price of the one you referred to.
But...
So Tommy should work harder.
But you have to... You probably have to buy like 20 pieces to get to it.
You gotta buy a Macan first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I remember I went to the AP store and they were straight up like,
as a first timer, you would be allowed in this section.
And it was a whole bunch of stuff I didn't really want.
We want you to practice with these watches and just get used to driving before you.
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Royal Oak, which in my opinion is the most beautiful Royal Oak.
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The spend history.
Oh yeah.
If you even have ever been told the word spend history, you're at a...
Yeah, that's the watch that Tommy Boyd is wearing.
You're in a certain class of people in a very expensive hobby.
Yeah, yeah.
If it was the term spend history.
If you've ever been told that word.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like the word, using the word summer as a verb, it's in the same category as that.
Same people hear those sentences.
Yeah.
But this is a really cool watch.
So this, the AP Star Wheel has these, it's like the tea cups at Disney World.
It's literally the tea cups.
But you tell time with the hour marker that is closest to the part where the minutes are.
So in this view, it's 430.
That's really cool.
I mean, watches are where engineering meets art.
And I'm not super into them, but like for someone to just see, like think of this idea.
After seeing how normal watches work and they want to add a little more art to it is really cool.
That's like, for me, if you're going to spend crazy, crazy, crazy money like this on a watch,
like I want it to look like a fucking disco in there.
I want it to look like Jacob little too far.
But the tea cups thing, the ear work stuff, like unconventional machines for time telling.
I'm writing about MB&F for Road and Track this year, this month, excuse me.
Can we flip back?
Is there any action?
We've got to be getting there.
165.
We got, can we, can you zoom in?
Can you command plus?
Yeah, what do you want zoomed in on?
Just, I want to read the words better.
Meep cars 51 with 165, a minute and 30 to go.
So I haven't bought a car here.
What are the little upvoting things?
That's like a karma for, yeah, karma score, basically.
Yeah, 165, 100.
Only one minute left.
Yeah, but this is where you're going to get into the exciting bit, right?
Because if people are watching, and I hope they are, people are going to dive in.
And this might get down to 10 seconds or 30 seconds, or this might be a total fucking dud.
I mean, honestly, just on an energy flow level, if it stopped here, it would be kind of a dud.
The Bentley was a little bit of a dud.
It just ended.
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Dude, if you're out there, like, let's get some, can we get some action?
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We want some excitement.
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30 seconds.
Oh, what a dud if it just died now.
Imagine we did a whole show and you ran over here.
Your haircut isn't even finished.
I know.
Someone's got a bid just because Zach's haircut isn't even finished.
I mean, I'm glad I didn't show up earlier.
Nothing's going on.
Right?
If I had gotten here at 10.
Oh, it can't just, it's just going to end here.
I hope not.
That would be very disappointing, wouldn't it?
I mean, it would just be a boring bit of content.
Seven, six, five.
Nothing.
Four, three, two.
Nothing.
Wow.
Checking.
Oh, come on.
Hey.
Oh, it adds one minute.
Someone added one minute.
It's went up by 500 bucks.
Went up by $500.
$500.
So now, does that usually, is that a good sign?
Like now these two, these guys are going to play badminton together.
Well, first off, if you're spending $165,
like what's another $500, right?
Of course.
I mean, that's.
And also bring a trailer adds two minutes.
Bring a trailer's two minutes.
Cars and bids seems like it's one minute.
So sorry about that.
All right.
Well, now here we go.
Buzzer beater calls it a 167.5.
You know, car freak throws in $500 more.
And you think meep cars is going to take that?
You think you're just going to lay back and take $500?
Look, you want to win someone.
And also, you know, let's hope my fan comes in there.
By the way, so sometimes you get a little drama,
some back and forth, maybe someone comes in,
maybe someone wants to come in with an auction ender
and really just hammer it.
Just hammer it and make everybody go away
with a huge big hit.
Or we're going to.
This didn't.
Okay.
Oh, all right.
So you can.
I thought someone that went up by a $10 increment,
which you can't do, but they went up.
You can go up by like a random amount on cars and bids.
Look, car freak.
You added.
$167.5.10.
Oh, is it going to?
Is it?
And checking.
Checking.
It's got a bounce.
Is it done?
Is it done at $167.5.10?
Sold for $167.5.10.
Congratulations to Meep Cars 51.
Meep Cars.
I have to say, I thought, I thought more.
I thought it would go more.
The math says it should have.
Market softening.
Maybe, maybe market softening.
But having said that, you want to know how well I did.
In terms of weight, how much you made.
So have you done all the math?
Let's do all the math.
All of it.
I can do all of it.
I can do all of it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Purchased for $134,000.
Major service, $7,000.
PPF, $7,000.
That's $148,000.
Then I had to put another, get another set of tires.
The HRE wheels and tires were gratis.
Right.
Sponsored.
I had to buy another set of tires, though,
to put back on it to sell it.
Okay.
So that was another, like, $1,500.
All right.
So that's basically $150 to ensure it for the entire time I had it was $3,000.
So we can't, and then registration fees and blah, blah, blah.
Not really, because I'm a dealer.
Sorry.
So, and so anyway, I'm into it for $153,154.
So I can't really qualify the opportunity cost
by not renting its space here to somebody else, which is-
I was going to say, what did the storage cost?
The storage cost is zero.
You know, detailing cost is zero.
That's the price of being me.
And I drove it 3,000 miles.
Okay.
Oh, I then did another service for $250.
The second oil change was $250.
So $153,154 sold for $167, oh, and including insurance, everything.
Everything is $153,154.
So I've done $13,000 profit, you know, over three years,
which like anybody who owns any car should be pretty happy about that.
Absolutely.
Now I got gassed up by the math.
The math was like a few months ago, one with 7,000 less miles sold for 210,
and one with 7,000 more miles did 156.
So halfway between is like 185.
Right.
So that's kind of where I thought that this math would end up.
You know, I wasn't like counting on it, but that would have been nice.
But, you know, all profit is okay, for sure.
That's a good day.
Unfortunately, it wasn't very exciting, was it?
Wasn't very exciting.
I thought we'd get a lot more content out of this.
But that's pretty rad, because as you've said many times,
like you could have gone and bought a brand new insert fast car,
and for the most part lost money immediately over the first three years.
You depreciated it unless you bought a 911 ST at least, or something crazy.
Yeah, I mean, it's a good car.
It was a good bit in my collection.
It was a nice thing to experience.
And like, you know, I said to Spike and other people,
so like, why did I sell it?
Like, because this car to me is about two years of fun.
Like, that's kind of it.
Like, if you're a die-hard NSX fan, you know, it's a fabulous car.
This is a fabulous example.
Like, this is going to be well-bought actually for this guy.
I assume it's a guy, sorry, whoever it is.
This is going to be a well-bought car at this price,
because down the road, I think it could be worth more.
In worst case, you've got a great car that you could fly in LA
and just drive home to wherever home might be,
if that's what you want to do.
But, you know, I did think it would get a little more.
I wasn't counting on it, but it was a good ownership experience.
And for me, who gets to drive everything,
it's about two years of fun.
I mean, there's a lot I really didn't like about this car,
to be honest with you.
And now the auction's over, I can talk about it.
The steering ratio absolutely sucks horrible balls.
If you have a fucking Boxster as your other car,
a new Boxster Spider, boy is this steering garbage.
I get that it was great for 91 or whatever.
It's like a bus, right?
It's just, oh, you know.
The ratio is so bad.
It's especially if you're in either tight canyons
or driving in the city, the ratio stinks.
It doesn't sound all that good unless you're really on it.
And the brakes, the problem with going fast in it
is that the brakes are horrific.
They work fine.
The brakes are like, they're exactly, the fluid's good.
The pads, there's plenty of pads in them.
They just suck.
Like, they're just shit.
And there's extremely limited upgrades.
And so you can do them, but they're fucking expensive.
You know, and I didn't, because you can't change
the steering ratio, I was like,
why am I gonna put money into this
when I'm never gonna be able to fix the thing
that really bothers me?
But because the brakes were so bad,
you can't push the engine.
Like, I literally can't go to Angela's Crest
and push the car because I'll melt the brakes.
And like, well, now what are we doing?
So that's kind of why I didn't want it
to become a tuner car, and it could have.
And compared to the...
You could buy a big brake kit for $8,000.
Yeah, and whose kit is it?
This is from Bulletproof Automotive,
but it's Mono 6 brakes.
I don't know who makes them.
Yeah, I mean, that's expensive.
I mean, big brakes are expensive.
Like, no kidding.
And...
Oh, Brembo makes one that evasive sells its $4,000.
That's the fronts.
That kid is only the fronts.
You think I didn't ask evasive about this already?
They said, look, we do one,
but the problem is that nobody makes the rears anymore.
So we just do the fronts.
And I was like, well, what?
It's like a go-kart.
And so anyway, look, and so for someone who loves the car
for what it is, that's fine.
For someone who wants to keep it for the rest of their life,
you could upgrade the brakes.
You know, that's what I would do.
But the Manx is more fun in the city by a lot.
Because this thing is like, when you're not going fast,
this car is like pretty normal.
I mean, it looks great.
The viewing position is great.
Like, people love it.
Thumbs up everywhere.
Like, Tyler, the creator fucking rolled up next to me
and was like, love that.
And then fucked off in his La Ferrari.
He was extremely badass.
But yeah, driving experience for me.
Two years of fun.
Yeah.
And there's some real limitations that like...
I can't rip Angela's crest in this
because I'll melt the brakes.
Like, that's stupid, you know?
It was fun.
It was really fun to have the 328, this, and the Spyder
at the same time, briefly,
because you could just draw the line.
That was cool.
Like...
I feel like this is a car that's...
I mean, I've said before, like, it's well suited
for driving 2,000 miles straight
because it's just so comfortable.
But if you live in a place where...
Here in Los Angeles, we have this contrast of gridlock
and then canyon driving.
Yeah.
But if you live somewhere like Connecticut
or in the south, where you have these flowing roads
that connect towns,
it's...
I think it's perfect for that kind of environment.
It is a great 6-7 tenths.
You're constantly moving 6-7 tenths
because the seating position is amazing.
The shifting action is some of the best I've ever experienced.
Seating position really depends on your height
and ratio of, like, your inseam and torso
because it's kind of weird in some ways.
If you fit, the visibility is awesome.
The visibility is fantastic, like most men engine cars.
It's a really cool thing.
And it just...
It feels like it just moves through the world effortlessly.
Well, and it's really smart packaging.
I mean, you can...
It has a huge trunk and you can also take the top off
and it sits over the engine.
So it doesn't even, like, a corvette.
You don't have to choose between top down.
Like, you could go on a huge long road trip
with the trunk jam-packed of shit
and top off, top down, top off, top, top, top, top.
Like, it doesn't make any difference.
Like, you...
That is so great about it.
It's really fuel efficient and refined.
Thaddeus and I drove it to Vegas for Nino's bachelor party
and it was, like, great.
I mean, it was great for that kind of thing.
But most road trips, I'm doing press cars
and my around town is Manx and my canyons.
Really should be Spider.
And also, like, as...
Like, I think this...
I think the car probably should have gone for more.
Again, I'm not that disappointed.
Someone asked, were the comparisons you were talking about
the same color as yours?
One was.
The one that went for less was.
The one that went for more was a blue.
So the one that went for less had more miles than yours
was the same color.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah.
And it went, did 156 with 27,000 miles.
Got it.
Okay.
Yeah.
But so, I mean, again, happy.
But miles are expensive on this car.
Not to run, not maintenance,
but to go from...
If I...
Let me just say that if I had bought the car,
did the service and parked it,
I'd probably have made more money.
And that said, but it's probably true.
Why?
Because the difference between 17 and 20 is something.
But in a fucking Honda, that is so sad.
It's only in, like, the collector grade Honda.
If you buy a 47,000 mile one and take it to 54,000 miles,
the Delta is probably much smaller.
If you take it by a 90,000 mile one and take it to 97,
it's probably even less.
But if you go, if you cross from the teens to the 20s,
or the 20s to the 30s, you're going to have a big drop.
I think I'm just realizing that, like,
for a lot of collector cars that the graph of, like,
miles importance would be like a U, you know?
Super low.
It's very important.
As the miles go up, it becomes less important.
Yeah.
And then as you get near 100, it becomes important again
because there's like big services coming up.
Excuse me.
But, you know, it was a good two years.
I learned a lot and took care of the car.
And now someone else gets to do that.
So you want to see where we fell on my prize picks?
You have the envelope.
That's your prize picks.
This one's more reliable than prize picks.
We didn't get very far up the prize picks.
I dreamed big.
My prize picks went up to $200,000.
So I dreamed big, but I didn't think we'd get there.
All right.
Do you want me to read from the bottom?
I guess read from the lowest amount.
Yeah, how about you want to start from the top?
Okay.
This is funny.
All right.
So this is, I'm seriously going to say this for the social clip.
This is what you would have done with the money if the NSX had gone for X number of dollars.
Sorry.
Say it again for the social clip without me cutting it.
If you had sold, we're going to read the list of things you would have done with the money
if you had sold your NSX for X number of dollars.
This is a list you made.
If you'd sold it for $200,000, you would have spent a week at the Yellowstone Club.
Yes.
Now, would that be renting a house from somebody or getting the house for free
and then just paying for a candy bar?
Whatever I could beg for while still pretending to pay for things, basically.
It would somehow still be expensive even with most things being free.
All right.
If you'd sold it for $195,000, the Mercedes Project car and the Kuntas rebuild would have been free.
Yes.
That would have been a good one to hit.
Mm-hmm.
$190,000, you would have gone to Hawaii for the weekend with Hannah.
$185,000, you would upgrade the Vespa, so you'd have bought the new Vespa of the 310,
you have the 300.
$180,000, you would have done a night trip to Los Alamos.
What is there?
You were included with that, by the way.
That was going to be for the four of us.
That's the town I love in Central Coast that has absolutely nothing except like
three Michelin restaurants.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, that would have been cool.
Too bad.
Too bad.
Too bad we're not going.
I like this.
$175,000, it just says, see above but with Brunello 2013.
So $170,000, you said dinner at Felix.
$175,000, you would have gotten one bottle of wine with the dinner.
I didn't say one bottle of wine.
That would have just been on the menu.
Oh, okay.
It would have been dinner with good wine.
To dinner with the wine.
Right.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
But again, too fucking bad.
Yeah.
$165,000.
That's where this is where we are.
Dinner at Charcoal, amazing restaurant.
Yeah, dinner at Charcoal.
Really, really delicious.
And if you'd sold it for $160,000,
you would have had lunch at Playa Provision.
You would have $18 breakfast sandwich.
That place is delicious.
I like, this is really funny.
$155,000 is the reserve.
So if you had sold it for $5,000 over reserve.
I call it net zero.
Net zero.
So if you make $5,000, you're willing to spend about $42
at lunch at Playa Provision.
And then you put the rest in the bank, which is smart.
And that people is what you should do with money that you make.
That is roughly the ratio at which I try to like spend and save.
Like a 98 to 2%.
It's like 95 to 5 is the ratio at which I try to spend and save.
I don't always do perfect.
Now, much like the graph I described earlier,
it seems like that ratio adjusts as we go up the profit line
because I think at $195,000, you are then spending all the money.
Because that's an absurd, if I hit that number,
it would have been cause for celebration.
At this number, it's cause for dinner.
For lunch.
Lunch at Playa Provision is so funny.
For people who are not in LA, that's like going to Chipotle
and getting the guac.
You know, that's what we're looking at.
It's, oh yeah.
I mean, yeah, that's a pretty, it's a tasty but basic lunch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So anyway, we'll be going to Charcoal and we'll get some steaks.
That's funny.
That'll be fun too.
That is, it's a really good restaurant.
Oh man.
167.
Yeah, I just, you know, it would have been nice to have
10 or 15 more minutes of content out of that, you know.
A little more back and forth.
Do you think, do you think we make it worse by doing this?
Do you think by doing a live stream, we somehow make it worse?
I doubt it has an effect.
You don't think?
I don't think it does.
Okay.
I think if you describe the steering before the auction ended,
it might have been a plant.
But hopefully people know what they're getting into with this.
And they're just, I'm sure they're just excited about it
because, you know, it's an NSX.
Everyone likes them.
Yeah.
So, you know, I think that's all around, right?
We can call that a win for your boy.
Oh, do you see this?
Yeah.
That's this guy is, this user, I'm not going to call him out by name,
but you can go find him in the comments.
This guy made a very big deal about the fact, I said I had the window sticker
and all the service records going back to him and he's like,
well, are you going to post those very important documents?
And I was like, yeah.
And he was very surprised at the cadence of flow.
The trickle.
The trickle.
Very surprised.
Very happy when I posted the window sticker and went on a fucking screed
about a whole lot of things that really had nothing to do with this car.
But yeah, that person's now back and talking about the cars that I was talking about.
Two comparisons.
One was the 27,000 mile car and did 156.
And then number 53 had 7,000 miles same car and did 255 last spring.
So, spring of 24 or just this?
This would have been spring of 25.
So, I wonder, do you think that is an indicator of the markets often?
I mean, because yours has 10,000 more miles on it.
Single, four-digit mileage.
Four-digit mileage is one of those big steps.
That's a huge step.
That's almost 100 grand.
Yeah, single, there's not a lot of...
Think about how many O5s are left that have single-digit mileage.
Like there's, excuse me, I say keep saying single digit.
I mean, single-digit thousands.
There's probably very few of those.
Maybe there's five of the 248.
Maybe five of them are like wrapped in plastic with delivery miles.
10, 20 more have been totaled.
A bunch have a lot of miles because people just bought these to drive.
And a smaller number, a lot of decent number have sub 40,000 miles because they were just
kept nice and they were bought by collector-type people because they knew it was the last year
and whatever.
They were always kept nice, but so there's a decent number of them in this sort of range.
But to get to sub 10,000 mile cars, that's where you're getting over 200.
Okay, yeah.
Wow, big difference.
Yeah, unless it's a rare color because the one that got to 10 and had 13,000 miles was blue.
And everybody loves the blue.
Yeah, it's like a blue R34.
Yeah, silver's a great, inoffensive color and most people would be like, yeah, that works,
but the blue and the orange are really the to have color.
You get more money as you call it paint to sample silver.
That's how.
I saw, you know, Porsche likes to do things that get collectors go crazy over and then like
shit on them the next year, like with the 911R and then the GT3 Touring.
Oh, and then they make, yeah.
And they make the flippy thing much more accessible.
Yes.
And they sort of undercut the flippy thing.
They like to do this, right?
I saw a story this morning that Porsche is contemplating a sort of digitized paint color
that you could take a picture of something and then upload the photo to your Porsche app
and your car will change to that color.
Obviously, this is a long way away.
It's conceptualized and they filed a patent for it.
But like how funny would it be if they eliminated if it was if it was paid to sample anything?
Like that would either that would like either be the ultimate paint to sample
or if they released it widely and made it like a common thing,
it would like kill paint to sample because like anybody could just have it.
This feels like automotive NFT because they would have to gate keep,
you know, the special silvers and the other like the really expensive paint to sample colors that
way loot box.
Yeah, you can't just go take a picture and upload.
They go, I'm sorry, you didn't pay $15,000 for that digital file.
If you want to unlock, you know, mist to chrome Porsche color, you're going to have to pay.
Yeah, yeah.
So all right, that tech seems and you know, that would be cool.
And I'm sure one day it will happen like decades in the future.
But it seems like every couple of years, a company rolls out the thing of like
the whole all the body panels are LED screens, right?
And it can show it can show the thing behind it and camouflage it.
And I think early days, it was just like huge flat screens bolted to a car.
So the profile of the car looked like a billboard.
Yeah.
And now they're kind of, you know, they have LEDs that they can bend around and stuff.
But like, I don't think anybody really wants to sell a car that does that.
I mean, imagine what a small crash would cost.
Oh, yeah.
If the whole fucking body was an OLED.
Well, it's like the whole body is made of like Samsung, you know, open what it was called,
like the phones that fold the phones.
Like if the whole thing is a digital screen like that, it would weigh a lot.
Probably.
Yeah.
It wouldn't be funny if it actually somehow would weigh less.
I don't think it would.
You'd probably need, well, no, I mean, I have absolutely no idea how much energy it would
require to power a car sized screen.
But, but yeah.
Is there a question?
Yeah.
Yes.
All right.
Let's do that.
Because this was really all I was prepared for today.
And I also hope thought that the fucking thing would go a lot longer.
I mean, still, you know, 21 bids is like not terrible.
But all right, I have not, you know, organized these yet.
So.
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This one's not quite accurate, but the pink notice Canyon frozen not it's not.
I forget what we're going to call it in a way that doesn't infringe on Porsche's trademark.
But it's the one that looks like my car.
Yellow lead footer says Doug says that the reserve stops the momentum of an auction.
Do you think that this occurred here?
No, I mean, no, like when you what Doug meant was like, if you lift the reserve early,
it stops the momentum of an auction and then you go reserve is off.
But I don't from a bidder's perspective.
I don't know if they are just, I mean, it either and I haven't bid on a car on cars and bids.
So I don't know how it looks if you're just a bidder and not the seller, right?
I only know what it looks like as a seller to use that platform.
So as a bidder, I don't know if it alerts you that the reserve is off.
I don't know if the thing just like changes colors or what, but I didn't do anything.
The reserve was 155 and I didn't tell anybody the reserve was 155.
And obviously, the bidding started to the day at 155.
That didn't kill the bidding.
The bidding continued on from there.
I mean, maybe it didn't go quite as high as I thought, but it didn't stall certainly.
It makes sense to me that if you're bidding on a car and then you see reserve is off,
I think for me as a buyer, it would tell me that this person doesn't think it's going to go very
high. They think the momentum is slowing and that's probably going to cool everybody off.
You go, oh, so this seller wants as much as they can get right now.
They're worried it's not going to go above that magic mark they'd set.
And so I would cool my bids off because I don't want to overpay for something they're willing
to let go. If they set the reserve at 140 and the bidding's at 115 and they go reserve is off,
I go, oh, so this person is just trying to get anything they can because they're worried it's
going to fail. Yeah, I think so too. And I don't talk about when the reserve is off.
And I don't think bring a trailer alerts anybody that the reserve is off.
It either meets or doesn't meet reserve. If you list a car with no reserve,
then it goes in the headline, whereas it doesn't if you take the reserve off early
or anything like that. So I've learned to like, if I'm going to have a reserve,
don't take it off early. Just let it be and whatever.
VTEC just kicked in, bruv VT. I've previously mentioned that the NC1 NSX is a good value.
That's the 2017 car. Now that I've had a NSX experience, do you think everything you disliked
about yours is solved with the NC1? And do you see yourself owning one in the future?
So two things to look at. One is objectively, sure. I didn't like the steering in mine.
And 12 years later, the end, the current one has sharp steering. I didn't like the brakes
in mine and the current one has like good brakes. So like objectively, sure they solved it, but like
those are just not the same car. Yeah, they're totally different. I mean, unless you're like,
we have a client here at WCCS shout out to him, if he's listening, that has an old NSX and a
current NSX, like that is an NSX enthusiast. Like they he likes the both the cars and he likes the
brand and he likes having both. And God bless him. I don't see those as being the same product.
Like if you like them both good for you, but like that just because you like one,
it's not they're not the same thing. If I wanted what the
if I wanted a quote, fixed version of the NSX, I'd buy an Amira right fucking now.
Like seriously, that's like, that's that. But bet the straight line like it, it
it kind of like diverges a little bit from NSX to to Boxster and to Amira.
Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a good point. Real quick, a person patron said on cars
and bids, the bidders never know what the reserve is or if it changes. The only way the bidders know
is if the seller reveals it in the comments. Yeah, so I didn't talk about the reserve. So yeah.
I will say that the one time I did talk about it in our 60 or 70 auction history,
I think it was not to my benefit. And I never did again.
Fully loaded diaper says thoughts regarding the timing of the auction. I mean,
yes, I mean, Monday, Monday after a holiday week is a challenging time. However, in LA,
everybody's still in the middle of the holiday week, fucking nobody's working this week.
Both Christmas and New Year's being on Thursdays. For I mean, granted, I'm working
and my guys here at the shop are working, but I think the city is empty. The creative industry
really slowed down. I remember when we were working for tangent and we would work with
marketing teams and campaigns and stuff. People stop responding and committing like December 10.
It gets really quiet. And like, you know, wealthy business people aren't doing shit either. And
even fucking even blue collar business people are on vacation right now. So I don't think it was the
Monday that it was Monday. I mean, maybe it's a holiday and people are like literally on a fucking
yacht somewhere and out of communications. But I don't think this is I think today's more holiday
week than regular Monday. So and I told you, look, I told them I said, I don't want it to end on
Christmas or New Year's. And but I do want it to sell before the end of the year. So this was
this was what we did. And that's okay. Panamera bread. Did initial D have any influence on you
in your interest in cars? Not me. I never watched it. I never heard about it until I was like,
yeah, an adult. Yeah, me either. I didn't see until later. Most of my interest in cars came from
magazines, forcing my parents to take me to dealerships and stuff as a kid. And then talking
the dealership owners into like letting me sit in stuff. Yeah. Matt's Mr. Chrome goes 185 says
I fixed wait. I don't sorry. I don't I don't know what that is.
Oh, great. Someone doxxed my address in the cars and bids comments. Oh, good.
They said they live on my street and have seen the NSX around. Oh, that's nice.
I'm glad there's someone who lives on my street that like hates me.
Or they were just like, you know, trying to be cool and going, Oh, I live right over here. I've
seen it a lot. It's a really nice car. Like they're trying to be helpful. And they don't they don't
know. Yeah, that would be a real like loser move if they did that. We can search the comments.
There was someone who drove by my house and posted a picture of the
of a car that we were driving in my driveway and were kind enough to not say where it was.
And people were like, Oh, that's that's Matt Ferris house, because they recognize it from
my Instagram photos, but did not say where it was. Well, I did see a comment when we first
got on here today. I saw a comment saying, Hey, cars and bids should delete that. You know,
that's doxing. Yeah. So maybe they noticed. Oh, all right. We can search the comments.
All right. I'll find it later if we have to. But thanks for letting me know. That's a fucking
douche move to do that. Stupid. Tim A says, Do you question Mercedes decision to make a mini G
wagon? No, of course not. That's Mercedes has been doing that Mercedes made a little CLA class.
Mercedes, they always make the GLB. They like they they already make little versions of the
big cars. They've already thinks this is directly in brand with what Mercedes has done for the last
like five years come out with a big car and then come out with a littler version of that car
and then an even littler version of that. Like the G wagon is not that big. I think when you
especially when you get in it, yeah, but it has like a wide stance. It seems like a car with
large presence. But when you actually drive the thing, it's not very big. No, there's not a lot
of front seat room and there's not a lot of rear seat room. There's not a lot of trunk space. Yeah.
I don't know if it's just the track has gotten wider around the body. So this thing is gonna be
like a Jimny. You know, what size does it seem a Jimny sized like you can't it's like a G wagon
isn't even really a five passenger. No, like it's like a it's almost like a two plus two in some
ways. If you are taller than five, seven, you know, in the back seat, it's not great. Unless it's
got I kind of like how it looks like. I think it looks pretty neat. It looks kind of like a Jimny.
Like they'll probably sell a ton of yeah, they will sell a gasoline of these things because
it's a less expensive G wagon. But perfect. What's it gonna be? This is might start at five grand
to 85 grand. God, that's a lot of money for a tiny thing. But like I drove the
CLA 35 and that was like 55 grand. So I guess I get it.
I mean, but this is exactly what Mercedes does and they've been doing it. BMW I8D nuts.
How do we record exhaust audio? We do it the cheap way. The cheap way is to buy a foamy
sound cover for your like action camera and almost every action camera, somebody will make
a foamy sound cover for that. The even cheaper way is to put gaffer tape over the sound holes
on your camera and then get a sock and make one yourself and cut a hole in it. Like you can,
you do not need to spend real money to do this. People used to glue like, I mean,
you buy the pieces of foam and you could glue it over the mic hole on a GoPro with super glue.
That was one way people used to do it. I mean, I don't know, Fad, you worked in
I then like get off or not get a production. But no, we do remember we did the we did a
shore SM 58 back in the day on a suction cup with an XLR cable to to the to the audio recorder,
which would also have my audio going into it. So I'd have matched audio for my,
for my, some of the best audio we ever got, probably, but that was an expensive microphone.
Well, then we move to labs, tape to license plates, and you kind of aim it at the thing
because it basically what you're trying to do is eliminate wind noise while still capturing
the exhaust audio. And it's challenging as speed as speeds go up, the wind kind of takes over.
Yeah, tough. I like I like the mic being a foot
from the exhaust tip and then a foot offset to the side, either side, you don't want it right
behind the exhaust. But you want it, like Zach said, blocked by the wind a bit. And then like the
more like foam you can put on there is good. And beyond like 80 miles an hour, it doesn't
actually work anymore, no matter what you do. Yeah, yeah. Seven days of the week, seven different
Chevy's I like that thoughts on the Ferrari 412 super fast that Larry Chen made a video on.
Did you see this car? I just saw it. It's gold. You know who built it? No, Steve Maxwell. Oh,
wow. This is this and his son, I believe Steven, I think his son are involved on this together.
It's called Otsuka Maxwell Design, which pretty much sounds like the young one is in charge of
the branding and the old one is in charge of making a Ferrari 812 engine. Steve made the
Twin Turbo 348 we filmed, which was great. Yeah, he also made he's he made the DeLorean we filmed
the swap DeLorean with the Genesis engine. It was amazing. Yeah, he knows how to fab. So this is a
this is a this is a Steve Maxwell joint, as one might call it. And this is a this is a Ferrari
400 with a with a full 812 super fast engine and a six speed manual gearbox. And then the interior,
the interior, you know, the interior reminds me of like, it kind of reminds me of like a little bit
ring brother Z. Yeah. So does the exterior, honestly, they both they both look a little ring
brother Z. Speaking of which, speaking of sidebar ring brothers, did you hear about this thing with
Aston? Yeah, they've like cease and desisted ring brothers. Yeah, which I think is which is really
frustrating and unfair. What's silly. Yeah, it's very silly. They designed the car themselves.
Like it's ring brothers did. Yeah. But like it's one, it's one custom car. It's not like,
as far as I know, it's not like a run of cars. It's like they built a car for a guy. Yeah. Like,
that's what everybody does. I'll find a picture of that car. We'll talk about that crazy. But
back to that. So click on the full interior. It does not. There's not clickable. Terrible. Oh,
no. That's so lame. But it has, you know, it's got a few different JDM ish vibes. It's got a few
different sort of throwback to various eras of different Ferraris. But it is a 12 super fast
engine in a fucking, you know, in a 400, which is pretty nuts. I mean, objectively nuts. Yeah. So
that you know, there's a tablet on there to control stuff. But oh, these gauge screen. Yeah, that's
that's a I mean, I don't know how you do that's huge for people listening. It's got like a whole
iPad. Yeah. But I mean, a big one, like whatever an iPad, if there's an iPad max, I'm not up on the
iPads, but like this gauge cluster is massive. Yeah, it's big screen. And then the one in the
center is big too. Oh, you know why? Because the probably because the 812 computer is meant to
transmit, you know, they don't have any gauges that cars got no gauges. So you I don't think it has
some kind of manual output. You may not have a choice. Right. It's probably a wild thing to get
this car to run with a manual gearbox, by the way. But it uses like a 348 steering wheel,
which I do think works. Yeah. Look at the door handle of the in the inner here, the armrest,
that is like a that's like a flame cut koa or walnut or something. I think the door card looks
awesome. The door card looks crazy. The center console looks clean. You got the clean gated
shifter, these like, you know, aluminum, neural knobs, it's pretty simple. The round air vents
look nice. I just I don't think there's much way around using a tablet screen for that with this
car. Yeah, I think you're right. People look in the exterior and then on the exterior, it's got
this big flip tail on the trunk, which I don't personally love, but I don't hate either. I think
it's flipped up and then it's got, you know, some bigger five spoke wheels that look Ferrari,
you know, modernish interpretations of the old. Not I think I'm gonna get is it Kempagnolo or
Kempagnolo wide fender flares, but not too wide. The flares are great. And then of course,
Jewish racing gold adjacent on top black on bottom, which I think was purely correct for that car.
Yeah, it did a lot of two tone. I think this car, I mean, I know when you're trying to show off,
you don't probably want to do that color, but this car and all black would be amazing.
All black, no flip tail. This car would be my fucking murderous rampage jam. But the engine
integration looks great. And the engine is behind the front axle barely. That's impressive.
That is wild. And you know, you could tell by looking at it that it's not an original engine,
but one of the things that Steve does really well is he makes engine swaps look like they
should have been there. Yes. That turbo kit on that 348, if you doubt it looked like it Ferrari
would have done it. The milling and all the stuff that was perfect. The crinkle was perfect. And
like this air box pretty much looks like Ferrari would have done it. I mean, they probably would
have used that like laundry ducting instead of this. At the time, they definitely would have.
Yeah. And they wouldn't have used carbon for the intake cover, but it looks like it would have been
that shape. Yeah, you know, that's the good point. The shape is well matched with the design of the
car. Yeah, it looks like it looks like it would have looked. I mean, if you look at what the
engine of a 400 I looks like, I mean, it broadly looks just like that. Yeah, which is a thing that
this guy does really well. Yeah. It seems like a nasty motherfucker. I mean, that's that's fucking
700 horsepower. Yeah, that's really aggressive. Oh, here you can see the body. Yeah, the way they
cut the fenders. And then they made these little vents down here for heat extraction. Oh, here's
another one. Yeah. So part of the process. That's cool. Man, I like the original color too.
That like teal. That's a good color. I like that teal a lot. That's good.
What a crazy project. But you know, the big story on the Internet is that it costs 1.8 million
dollars to build. Of course it does. Of course it does. You have to buy a whole 812 and take it
apart and reengineer it to work in a different vehicle that's smaller, probably a lot smaller.
Of course it does. You think, where do people think all this shit comes from? This dude,
this dude, Steve, I should get my phone and see how many years ago Steve texted me about this car.
Really? I must have to go back four years in my text message for one from him being like,
because he's like, oh, he doesn't text very well. Hey, man, you got to see this crazy,
you know, 412 and I was like, bro, call me when it's done. Let's go.
But and I hadn't heard from him in a while. There he is. Yeah. Dude's out of his mind.
So yeah, of course it costs one point and I bet you his margins weren't even that good.
He, this isn't a profit motivated guy. This is a true believer Maxwell is.
And this is a 2 plus 2, right? Yeah, let's go back Steve. So it's crazy is that the Ferrari 400 is
189 inches long, which is six inches longer than a Ferrari 812. But the 812 has no backseat.
It's just engine. It's also has the engine behind the products. Yeah. So it's really intruding on
the I don't know if you're sad one of these, but they're not that roomy for how big of a car they
are. But I do love them in their sort of in a unique way. But of course it costs that much.
You had to buy a 400. You had to buy an 812. You had to spend God knows how long making it work
together. And you had to spend God knows how much making it look good. I'm making it you to make
an entire interior. What do you think those those are fucking eight? Well, I guess they came out of
the car. Those are the 812 seats. So I guess they took them out of the car they bought, right? So,
but you had to you had to pretty much make the entire rest of that interior. God, I bet that
would cost a fortune. That's like what like when my dad goes to fucking Turkey to choose his own
wood for these shotguns, you know, because the wood is only from seven trees and you know,
the roots have to be 35 feet deep and whatever. That's like what that would is.
That's wild. Yeah. And that's that is a lot of money. The only my and my only my only the only
place on the interior that I would say like, I think I could do better is maybe I wouldn't
have done the black steering column. Like it's hard to do that tan with the black, but you don't
I might have just sucked it up and got a full tan steering wheel. Hmm. Like the black on the
steering wheel and the steering column are are jarring to me when the rest of the car is pretty
much. There are a little bit, especially there's bits of black. I mean, the seat bottoms here.
Like it's a it's a weird junction here between the tan and the black.
Yeah. But I mean, whatever, like it's it's it's not my project. You spend 1.8 million fucking
whatever color you feel like it, but sick that that works, right? It's pretty cool. Probably sounds
insane. Cars we driven. Well, we've driven two of his cars that were dynamically very, very fun.
They worked and they handled. I mean, they handled well, like they drove pretty correctly
as correctly as they could, especially with the DeLorean. I definitely should have bought that
Ferrari when I could have. Remember, I could have had that thing for like $110,000. That would
have been that would have been crazy. Yeah. I wonder where it is now. I'll give you 110 for it today.
That thing was fucking sweet twin turbo 348 car was great. Someone made a video with it a couple
years ago. Uh huh. So, um, oh, they pulled the engine out. Oh, they did. Maxwell design did.
They might still have it. Major service. What do you mean? Maxwell's got it? Well,
are they upgrading their Atsuka Maxwell design? Yeah. Yeah. So in three or two years ago,
they took the engine out. Oh, maybe they were just doing a service. Yeah, maybe you should hit them up.
Car was awesome. That was fun. Look, you just sold the car, man. Thing was so cool. You should
buy it. There's nothing about that yellow car that wasn't exciting. I'm disappointed that car
wasn't on this list somewhere. No level. She said buy a twin turbo 348. We're going to have a steak
dinner. That's what we're going to do. Yeah. Um, I'll go back to questions. That's disappointing,
but that car rules mid in Ohio. Are there any EV SUVs that are fun enough to justify skipping the
two car solution? Boring commute with kids, but care about driving? I mean, do the SUVs. I'm driving
the Lucid Gravity in like two and a half weeks. Maybe that. If you get a high spec McConn EV,
maybe that it's not an SUV, but certainly a Tycon GTS Cross Turismo.
But the Machi Rally. That's, I mean, that is a really good car, but it just depends. It depends
on what you get out of cars. You know, if you're looking, if you get excited by exhaust sound and
light and light weight, you're not going to get that. But I think if you just like acceleration,
and we know plenty of people that have ICE cars that are just all about straight line speed,
then yeah, an EV can totally be your two car solution. Yeah. McConn EV handles well,
goes fast. You know, it'll give you those things.
Okay, keep, keep going.
Okay. Coscom tuning update on the health vision of the channel. I mean, look,
TST is not going to disappear overnight. The, certainly not the podcast, which is doing just fine.
You know, it's very, very tough making videos. There is still some value in making some kind of
video content. But as we can, we've shown like the stuff that does well, the three videos that
did the best in 2025 are exactly the three videos that Kevin, the analyst said, followed the formula
of what would do well in 2025. And all three were ones that I didn't really want to make.
The number one was shitting on the Cybertruck, which look, it turns out that all my takes on the
Cybertruck have aged pretty well. But at the time we made that, which was right when this thing came
out, you know, it's not that it was like risky, but I just, it seemed like silly to make a whole
video shitting on the Cybertruck. But like we did, and it was the most viewed video of the year.
And I didn't, I didn't enjoy it. Even though we made money, I didn't enjoy it.
And number two was the Zinger and a like that's an unbelievable car and like, you know,
cool for them and cool for us that we got to have a go. But we, it was an, it was an exclusive.
We were the first drive and I had to MC gig for free to get it. And I put in, I put a title I
really didn't want to put on that video, which was that the Zinger 21 C is the only hypercar
worth this much money, which isn't something I totally disagree with in, in terms of being,
you know, looking at the field because it's just so different. And for that much money,
like I want fucking way off the deep end. And it does that. But I didn't like having to use that
title to get that much kind of attention. And that was what he said. You have to put the three
things Kevin said were shit on something popular. Okay. Talk about money. And or, and or stir up
drama, meaning like react to other YouTubers doing things. Like those are the three. So I'm not,
we're not going to react to other YouTubers doing things, but the other two. And then the
third one was the tycon buying it specifically buying it and driving it home, which I'm glad the
video did hundreds of thousands of views, but it, I had to buy a car. I had to buy a car,
a depreciating car and then fly to a different state on New Year's Eve by myself to then spend
four days driving it back. Like you think that made money? Like absolutely fucking zero. So
those are the top three performing videos of our year. One I didn't want to make, one I titled
something I didn't want to title. And the other one I had to spend $70,000 on a car. And then,
and then the all seven of the other top 10 were new Porsche sports car reviews.
Wow. All seven of the other top 10. So like that's where we're at.
And we only had five video, five, six videos this year, over a hundred thousand views. Yeah.
Like that's like bad news. And I mean, I'll, you know, maybe I'll take responsibility for not
evolving or not making as many videos, but like fact is there's like a lot less cars to drive.
There's a lot more like boring crossovers. There's, there's boring EVs. There's trucks and SUVs.
There's like not a lot of enthusiast cars to drive. We try to drive all the ones we can. Like
there's just not that many. And like there's a backlash against very expensive cars. So like
when, if there's a new Ferrari or new Lamborghini or new Aston Martin, like everyone's just like,
who the fucking afford that? Why do I even care? There nobody cares about fast EVs really anymore.
They're not, those videos don't do well. You know, people care about stuff they might want to buy.
And so, I mean, even though Porsches are expensive, people are still enthusiastic about them. And like,
there's just not that much like affordable stuff. Even when we did affordable, like the,
the GR Corollas and the, and like those aren't like new people are like interesting. Yeah,
that one didn't do very well. I saw a lot of work into it. Yeah. You know, that was hotel rooms and
lots of transit and lots of food and editing and all kinds of stuff. And even we got the
racetrack for almost free. Yeah, still couldn't make money. Yeah.
You know, on the other hand, this, this costs us almost nothing. I mean, you and I cost our time.
I mean, we, you know, and so, so we're privileged to get to do it. We're privileged that people
want to advertise on it. It's not algorithmic. So if you don't listen to this week's episode,
and it'll still be in your feed now next week, you know, with YouTube, if someone doesn't watch
your video or for a week or two, like you're gone. That's it. You don't exist anymore. Yeah,
there's no Apple iTunes version of that. So, you know, just, and like honestly, like with AI
being all about everything that like creating content to put into that system, like
it feels like gross. Like if you're being someone who's like trying to like be authentic and be a
human being and it's like, everyone's just trying to like make money by shoveling AI
slop into the world and it makes the internet like such a worse place. It's just like, it doesn't
inspire your confidence that like the people in charge of all this are trying to actually make the
world good. I get so bummed when friends of ours send me AI videos that are bad AI videos. Like
there's very creative ones that I go, okay, at least that was done well. But there's ones where
it's like, this is lazy and obviously AI and it's like the jokes aren't great. Don't share that.
Don't support this. Sure. So this is lazy and it's bad. It's lazy and bad and it uses a lot of
resources. I never heard back from that Angeles death highway guy about, you know, I didn't see
any more content from them. They put out a new thing today. Did they? They put out a Porsche
air called Porsche one, I think today or yesterday. And I imagine it is AI. Oh yeah. No, it's the same
style. I tried. I tried. I don't know. I don't know if they found if they found an artist and got
a price that was so horrifying that he didn't want to come back or I don't know if they said,
you know, forget it, but I think it's probably really expensive. It just depends on the the
amount of detail you want, you know, in a in an animated video. Yeah. Like art like Archer
was one of my is one of my favorite animated shows ever. What was brilliant about that is they
could use kind of a couple of different like forms and they could just do a bunch of scenes.
That's why there's so many talking scenes in that there's not much action. And then when they do the
car scenes, the car scenes are done really well. And the physics, if you watch the cars slide and
stuff, it's really well done. But that's where so much of their money goes. And when they're when
away from like bullets, it's just like the head is there and the arms just kind of do this.
But it's just about the conversation. Sure. Because it's just cheaper.
Benito driver looking at either an EQ or a BMW i4 is an EV daily. Both have a great price on the
used market. What's a better EV commuter experience? I don't like any of the EQ is that much. The i4
is like fine. It's fine. BMW's EVs. I've not had. I've had very average experiences with. Well,
which was the one you drove in the canyons, though, for that test? Was that the i4 m or
something? i4 m. Yeah, fast one. You like that one or no? It was okay. That was the i4 m50. It was
okay. The the brakes didn't hold up and it only made full power for about a lap and a half of the
track. Like it for an m it was pretty substandard. I would rather drive the the BMW just for commuting.
I'd rather a fucking Mach-E than either of them. That's true. But like the EQ we we talked about
the brake pedal problem is terrible. And I just think the whole like waterfall dash is way too
much. I wouldn't I really wouldn't want that. Can I say neither? Like I would just get a Mach-E.
Honestly, I can't imagine a good a decent Mach-E is going to be that much more expensive than
either an EQ or an i4. But it's a much better car than both.
Chris, I don't I don't know what this watch is. Can you take a google whatever what are the what
watch or Heisman trophies winners given? I'm shocked all the years I've been reading about
watch shit. I've never heard of the plus all the years you've read about football.
The word Heisman Diasmos. What the hell is that? Oh wait, November.
Axia Time named partners of what the fuck is that dude? The official timepiece of the Heisman
trophy. Bro, this is like where Trump watches are made. That's crazy. What is that thing?
That's wild. I mean, maybe it's like Augusta with the green jacket. Like that's probably a janky ass
jacket that but because you you you want Augusta, you know, you get to wear it and you're cool even
if it's not that nice of a jacket. What the fuck is this thing? So look, so it seems like Axia
partners with a lot of brands and sponsors trophies, right? So it says adding the Heisman
trophy to the list of awards for which Axia Time has partnered. Yeah, they also were the official
watch of La Crosse. You know, the to art and awards for La Crosse. All right, so this is just
this is just some I mean, I've never seen one of these things in person, but that's a no for me
though. It's a brand partnership. That's that is basically the same as Trump watches like basically.
Okay, inside baseball, New York teeth says free day, no traffic in LA. Where would you go for a
drive for coffee, drive route, and then afternoon lunch stop?
No traffic. I mean, you know, if I'm just chilling, I could if it depends on the car, it also depends
on the car. Because in the in the Angeles forest, there's like nowhere to eat. So you've really
there's not like good coffee or food like really over there. So you kind of just have like diner
food. We fuck with the diner. The backdoor cafe is solid. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Good bakery,
decent coffee comes in the big like fish bowl cup. That's true. The coffee's fine. But it's
coffee's fine. The pastries are excellent. Yeah, the eggs and bacon are good. Yeah. So we start
there. You go up big to hunger, up to Newcombe's ranch via Angeles forest up upper big to hunger,
then you come down. I mean, and if you're, you can go, I mean, if you're baller, you go over the
back of Angeles forest highway into Palmdale, loop it across to like Lake Hughes road or via
bouquet Canyon and spunky Canyon. And you can link the central and north Angeles forest. And then
when you come down, you get lunch just like somewhere in Santa Clarita. Go have a burrito at
Porsche Ed Bo's place at Porsche of Santa Clarita. Good burrito. Yeah, get a breakfast burrito there.
I think I would try to link it over to Malibu if I could and get fish tacos at that. What's that
place called? Neptune's net. No, no, no. The one that Malibu fish, Malibu fish, whatever Malibu
seafood. Yeah, I would get those are lunch there. Those are good. Yeah, they actually catch the fish
like that morning. Yeah, that's that's fucking tasty. Johnny Evie Gearberman sell your business
for millions and buy your ultimate dream car. What would it be? F40. I would just F. Oh, yeah,
McLaren F1. I mean, yeah, if you're rolling like that, that's another exponential level, but F40.
Murray Motorsports assuming the slate truck and scout ever make it to production. Do you see a
possibility for another mini truck era with the OEMs bringing back smaller ish trucks again? I
think the size of an F-150 give or take, right? Yeah, it's big. It's big. Yeah, it's big.
The slate maybe I mean, Ford says that people are gravitating toward the Maverick and the Ranger
more and the F-150 less like that's good. I see a lot of Mavericks around not that my eyes are data,
but certainly they are they are moving Mavericks. They sold 120,000 of them in 2025 Mavericks.
Yeah, they sold 131,000 in 2024 and that was a 40% increase from what they
sold the year before that. So people are buying a lot of them. I think how do we
define mini truck? Are we talking about just like smaller than a Maverick,
you know, drifting into K size or just the trend of like small street trucks?
Yeah, I mean, I don't think we're getting in America K trucks or anything like that. I mean,
obviously like new K trucks, but I do think that people are realizing finally that the
half ton trucks are both too big and too expensive. Yeah. If you look at a fucking like 1997 F-150,
it's like the size of a Ranger today and bed height is important for people. You know,
not everybody wants a, you know, a four and a half foot or whatever bed height, you know,
they want a little lower to load it into. I would, I've actually like, I contemplated a Maverick.
The other night I looked at a Maverick. I thought about did I, like if we were going to,
you know, we're maybe trying to work on this trailer sponsorship for the ice race. And I thought,
like if I was maybe going to get, if the Maverick could tow enough to be worthwhile, if it would
then be a thing that we could use, you know, for the shop once in a while. I don't think quite yet,
but maybe soon. Yeah. That it? And then yeah, that's it. All right, cool. All right. A little
shorter than normal show today, but that's cars and bids fault. Honestly, not mine. I thought
that would be fully 20 minutes longer. That's the bidder's fault. Congratulations to what the
cars won. Meep. Meep cars 51. Meep cars 51. Whoever you are. I'll call you later. Collect that.
I'll collect that money. Oh, take this beautiful machine for a drive up the coast. I wonder if
this person's going to fly in and drive home. That would be cool. We'll see. That would be a great
use of it. It would be. Remember the guy flew in and drove the Bentley home? Guy flew down from
Seattle. This mother drove the Bentley back. It's a fucking good move. Thank you to our patrons.
We appreciate you. That was a good result of that auction. I'm happy to say and
we're getting lunch or dinner at charcoal. No Brunello though. See you guys later. Bye.
About this episode
A lively discussion unfolds as the hosts monitor the live auction of a 1991 Acura NSX on Cars and Bids, sharing insights and strategies for successful online car sales. They delve into the unique features of the NSX, including its engine maintenance history and aftermarket modifications. The episode also covers a custom Ferrari 412 with an 812 engine, built by Steve Maxwell, and the potential for a mini G-Wagon from Mercedes. The hosts reflect on the auction results, their thoughts on car values, and the overall experience of owning and selling enthusiast vehicles.
We comment LIVE during the final minutes of Matt Farah's Acura NSX auction; Mercedes is going to make a miniature G-Wagen; an old friend stuffed a Ferrari 812 drivetrain into a Ferrari 400 and the results are both impressive and interesting; plus we answer questions about used EV deals; one car for it all; football watches; and more!
Recorded December 29, 2025
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