119. The Pile Up EP7: It's a Conspiracy

Welcome to Wednesday.

It is the pile-up on the Queen of the Vans.

I'm Doug Nightmare.

And this episode is about conspiracy.

Ooh.

Yeah, well, give it a little more.

Give it a little more.

Ooh.

It was your idea, so you didn't have to be the one that's like real spooky about it.

Do-do-do.

That is not right.

Ooh.

Well, we're not the Hollywood Symphony.

We're not going to play the X-Files theme for you.

No, that's not.

Their ears are bleeding right now.

I mean, that seems extreme.

I think everybody's ears are probably okay.

If your ears aren't okay, write in and let us know how your ears are doing.

If you've pulled anything interesting out of them in a while.

We'd like to know.

Sometimes we pick a topic.

I mean, we always discuss the topics that we're going to discuss ahead of time.

It's not all off the cuff.

And this time, Emily said, what do you think about car conspiracies?

She said, okay, fine.

She just dragged her kicking and screaming.

I know a few.

I know a few popular ones.

Everybody knows the, I'd say this and then, you know, that's not going to be all that popular.

Everybody knows the fish carburetor scam.

I'd never known it.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I guess go ahead and prove me wrong right out of the gate.

We are going to talk about it.

Yeah.

I didn't know very many.

That's why I wanted to research it because I was like, oh, I bet there's a lot of like weird

conspiracies out there.

I mean, we honestly looking for drama in like the design studios and things like that.

But what we found is cool too.

Wow.

You were really, you were thinking about drama in the design studio.

Yeah.

So I guess I should have Googled drama in design studios 1960s.

I mean, there's not, you know, you would have been better off getting out the centuries

style book because that would have been better researched and it's in there.

The dramas are in that book.

Well, I guess I got some reading to do.

Well, when you get your time machine and come back and redo this episode.

No, we're not redoing this episode.

There will be no redoing of episodes.

Just put it out.

Move on.

Okay.

Then the deal with the fish carburetor is supposedly it's this carb that makes you

200 miles per gallon.

Oh, okay.

Keep going.

And the whole story is like, you know, you buy this carburetor out of an ad in a newspaper,

you know, it's always like a newsprint ad, you know, from like a newspaper or an automotive

periodical, you know, and a certain race car driver runs it and it works.

And it's this wildly fuel efficient carburetor and people are like, oh, this guy had a

brilliant idea and then he got killed or whatever.

And it's like, not really, not really feasible.

Basically what will happen is every time you get in the comments section, somebody

will be like, look, the volumetric efficiency doesn't make any sense to do what it says it

does.

I don't think he'd ever said 200 miles an hour.

It said 200 miles per gallon.

You just said 200 miles.

Are we talking land speed or are we talking distance?

Oh boy.

I don't think it ever said that with the article that I read said that it claimed

20% more fuel efficiency and 30% more power.

Well, that's an even easier scam because nobody's rolling around with a dynamometer

or back then what we would call a pony break.

Well, you could calculate it by how much gas you're using.

Sure.

And then by the feel of the car.

Okay.

One person more recently had put one on his race car and he said that it,

I think it slightly bumped up the fuel efficiency,

but it took the power efficiency way down or the power ratio way down.

Yeah.

And the reason why, okay, because I found interesting things about either 200,

100 and 200 mile an hour is shit.

This is me slowly glaring to the side.

Yeah, she is not even, she won't even look at me.

Okay.

So now when I say mile an hour, it means mile per gallon.

Listen, everybody get with me.

I can't get with you.

Um, so the 100 and 200 miles per hour happened before the fish carburetor came out

and that was a conspiracy theory that was like before, you know,

a few years before or right at the time the fish carburetor came out.

And that was like, basically there was a whole bunch of different versions.

It was like a teenager, a couple to some dude,

they would buy a factory car from the factory and pick it up through a big dealership.

And then they would get home and realize that it had 100 to 200 miles per gallon.

Then it got like this outrageous amount.

And then it always ended supposedly the conspiracy always ended in four ways.

The car got recalled and it took a lot longer for them to fix what they were supposed to fix.

And then it would come back and also it wouldn't have anything to do with the fuel system.

They recall wouldn't have anything to do with the fuel system.

It would come back and it all of a sudden magically would be back down to like 15 or 20 or whatever it was.

And then men in black would come by your house and they would offer an outrageous price

that you could not refute and you would sell the car to them.

Guys in suits with briefcases of cash showed up and made an offer that can't be refused.

The car is stolen or otherwise disappears overnight.

I hate when that happens. My prize race car.

I know exactly. Mysterious men show up, pop the hood, make a few adjustments

and the magical mileage returns to normal.

So according to the article I read those are the conspiracy theories that were going around

at the time that made the public sort of ripe for the picking for the fish carburetor

but also a carburetor before that which I can't remember what it was called

but it was in that article.

Sorry for the not good story there at the end.

I will say that I spent a lot of time reading about this in the past.

Like I found a really thick like Yahoo Geosities type website about it.

Another topic that I researched very intensely like this was about the formation of the

or the creation of the nuclear fallout sign.

Which was sort of like handed off to this guy and he did it with his daughter

and they like they just did research on it and basically developed the fallout sign together.

There was like a guy giving the project that shouldn't receive it but he did

and he was like okay I can do it.

Was he not a designer? No.

He just a regular old guy?

He was a military guy.

Oh okay.

He was a officer in the military and it was sort of like

it's an interesting story but it's factual.

Like he and his daughter, you know if it's post fallout

you have to be able to see it with a candle right?

So they like have the signs in their basement with all the lights off

candles and they're like seeing samples of paint and seeing what the

what they could do to illuminate the signage with a candle light

and then black and yellow together were studied to be the most

visible two colors to the human eye.

Okay.

You know like bees wear it like stay away.

Bees do wear it.

Yeah.

It's their favorite color to wear.

Stay away from me you know.

Yeah.

So other than Charlotte Hornets they're teal.

I don't know what their deal is.

I don't know what a Charlotte Hornet is.

It's a basketball team.

It's their logo.

It's purple and teal.

Oh okay.

Come on Charles Barkley.

Charlotte Hornets.

I don't know.

I think he went to the Hornets for a little bit before he went back to the

Sons or left the Sons.

I don't know.

Clearly you know a lot about the subject.

Anyway the fallout sign story is interesting but factual.

Yeah.

But the fish carburetor I had read quite a bit about the turn signal

lever is another one that was like an idea that was stolen.

You know like Detroit will steal these ideas.

The seat belt in Tucker is a similar one.

You know like I mean but that's very factual.

There's a whole movie about it where you know the dude Jeff Bridges plays

Preston Tucker and he you know they were like oh his car needs a seat belt

it must be unsafe or like he had the headlights that steered with the

front wheels.

Oh yeah very cool.

Kind of like you were bragging about with your Corvette.

Okay well we're gonna get back to that actually people.

You know Preston Tucker lived that because the big three went out of

their way to destroy Tucker.

I mean his run was short you know shorter than the Beatles.

Yeah he went to he didn't go to jail but he did get prosecuted by the

courts.

He did.

Yeah but he got acquitted I think by a jury.

I didn't remember that aspect.

Yeah but it did supposedly make his business like ruin his business.

Yeah it did.

It did.

I mean you know don't get in the way of you know Detroit.

Same thing for Tesla.

I mean Tesla was ripped off by Westinghouse among others and died with

just his birds.

So the thing that like people talk about Stanley Meyer having this

dune buggy that ran on water only and then he went to you know it would

make hydrogen through electrolysis.

It would split water into oxygen and hydrogen atoms and then it would

then you know run the car off of hydrogen supposedly he drove

across country on 20 gallons of water tap water.

Whoa tap water not even distilled water.

Supposedly he met with Belgian investors and during the meeting

became violently ill and supposedly outside the restaurant while he's

dying he's saying they poisoned me but then it was ruled that he died

of an aneurysm and so you know I saw I saw this clip I don't know how.

But dying of an aneurysm like who knows how you know what if

that medical examiner maybe got a little kickback.

Yeah totes.

Yeah that can happen.

Totally possible.

I didn't dig super deep into this because it's kind of a worn out

topic like one of the clips I saw was from Patrick Bet David who's

like a super conservative mouthpiece that like you know like

David Pakman's been on his show and like I mean I'll give him

credit because he trolled Ron DeSantis and tried to try to

get him to put on regular cowboy boots because Ron wears these

lifters in his cowboy boots.

He's the governor of Florida if you don't know who this

guy is.

And so he tried to get him to wear cowboy boots and like that he

gave him as a gift he's like I'm sorry I can't accept any

gifts you know.

So that was kind of.

They might have bombs in them.

So like yeah I'll give PVD some credit on that one but like you

know he's like he's like saying Stanley Myers Carr runs on

the process of electrolysis like come on man.

Oh electrolysis like lice in your hair that are

electrocuted.

Yeah I mean I'm not like to give a prescriptive speech

like that's just how he says it but it's electrolysis.

Like yeah I don't know to say it to be like electrolysis

like he's he's researched it less than I have.

But I just didn't I didn't I personally found another

conspiracy theory that I thought was super interesting

but you teased me with a Model T one.

Do you want to roll with it.

When we were walking.

Yes.

Yeah sure.

Well supposedly this is all hearsay.

Okay.

Well actually it's not all hearsay because it's in a

book called My Forty Years with Ford by.

Seymour Butts.

Exactly.

I need a man to hug and kiss.

I didn't IP freely.

I didn't number my notes here.

I'm a big stupid head and I have smell butts and

like what I mean.

I'm just trying to give you time to find this.

Very much.

Did I have time.

Sorry everybody about that.

So Charlie Sorenson's book My Forty Years with Ford.

He said yes and I'm assuming that Charlie Sorenson.

I didn't look him up but I'm guessing if he worked for

Forty Years with Ford he was some kind of exact.

If he wrote a book about it.

I would agree with that.

He wrote a book about it.

And then Cliff Robertson's movie The Man and

the Machine also said yes and that's supposed

to be a documentary style.

I have to I've probably seen it but let's

let's hear this story.

Yeah.

Anyway apparently Edsel presented to Ford after Ford

had been on a like on a trip.

And when he got back Edsel presented to him and a

bunch of Ford executives this new Model T that

he'd been making in secret because the old

Model T was getting stale and they were

losing sales to GM.

And Ford got incredibly angry and ripped it

apart.

And imagine ripping a car apart by hand like

a Model T.

I'm assuming you could do that if you had a

lot of force.

But imagine how long it would take to do that.

Like how awkward before.

Yeah.

Don't bury the lead here which is that like the

only car that was ever made in higher

numbers than the Model T is the Beetle.

So there are millions of Model T's out

there.

I am T crazy.

Okay.

T for T.

Like the Model T is I think I think

they're cool.

I love them.

There's all there's sort of different variations

of them.

Like if you just go looking to buy the cow there's

so many body variations.

But like yeah the T was made.

There's lots of them.

They're all over the place.

There's no reason not to hot rod them.

I mean when I was a kid I remember my dad

pointing out all these T buckets at the

hot rod shows.

I didn't know what that meant at all.

And I like to this day I think T buckets

are sick AF.

I love them.

They're so simple.

They should be hot rotted.

There's millions of them.

Millions.

So Ford thought he had made a car that would

last forever.

Like he was like we'll just make the T.

We've hit this and they'll keep selling.

This is before automakers realized that

making moderate changes to each year

over year would make them a lot more

money and creates what we have now.

Right.

Keeping up with the Joneses.

Yeah.

And so that's why he was so upset.

Now the other thing about this is

the Model T.

Some of the early versions of fiberglass

was done with wood blocks and cheese

cloth and then a wheat paste was

pulled over it.

So it's like fiberglass and resin.

So they would build these full size

scale models of cars.

But they were actually assembled with

wood and little blocks that helped

them set it.

I forget what it's called.

So maybe it was one of these models

and not like a full working.

It's in the century a style book.

I forget what they call it.

But I don't think I have it

bookmarked in the one that's laying

here.

But it's I'm not going to like look

it up.

Make a big gap in the audience

like we usually do.

It's under several other books.

So it's not going to happen.

But for all intents and purposes

this might have been one of those

models that he just really just

ripped the cheese cloth.

I mean again you've got to imagine

it as early fiberglass because

the painted pictures of these

models they have in the book

you can't tell the difference

whether it's a steel car or

it's this model.

No I'm sure not.

So I mean they're beautiful.

I'm just assuming they're probably

skimmed in plaster after the

wheat pastes applied to the

cheese.

Right.

Well that would make a lot

more sense of him being able to

rip it apart.

And in the movie it shows him

taking a sledgehammer because

it's a lot quicker than showing

him do it by hand.

Yeah but see that's fake.

Yeah but oh well it's a movie.

But do you know what that really

is?

A lie?

No.

What?

The sledgehammer footage.

It's not him it's not supposed

to be him.

It's I think it's a reenactment

of him doing it.

I'll tell you what there is

there is a picture of Henry

Ford taking a sledgehammer

to something.

Oh okay.

It's what inspired Ed Roth

to build his cars out of

fiberglass.

Okay.

Oh it's a real photo of

Henry Ford.

And it's a photo of Henry Ford

with a sledgehammer hitting a

fiberglass hood or something

to show how strong

fiberglass is he's hitting it

with a sledgehammer.

Oh wow.

And when that was in I think

popular mechanics and Ed Roth

saw that and was like wow

what is this wonder material

I think I'll build some cars

out of this.

Yeah.

And so that's kind of what

got Ed going on fiberglass.

Oh.

I mean it was becoming a craze

anyway for like you know

salad bowls and all the all

the like you know tons of

things.

Yeah.

We're suddenly being made out

of glass like that.

Interesting.

Mm-hmm.

All right well I don't think

that that photo of him is

this one particular this one

incident.

Mm-hmm.

But maybe it is.

No it doesn't because you

said it was him showing how

strong it was.

Yeah.

Well that's my story on

the Model T.

Yeah I mean I think that's

pretty solid because he

did he did think he'd made

a car that would be forever

and it was a it was a big deal

to get him to do the Model

A.

And so then they did which I

saw a Model A at a gas

station this morning and it

was all original it was a

four banger and the guy had the

it's got timing controls on the

steering column so you adjust

your timing as you drive.

Whoa is that something that it

had.

Yeah it's called a GAV.

Okay.

And you've got a GAV and spark

I think is what it says or

something like that and so it's

like you adjust your timing

as you drive and so I was

talking to the guy he was

kind of hard of hearing but

he was pretty nice when I

could get him to hear what

I was saying but he let me

take a photo and we had a

totally stock Model A at the

Rod Shop one time so I was

familiar with the control and

I think I got to drive it in

the parking lot or something.

It's pretty neat and it is

funny because there's a

Simpsons where Mr. Burns

asks if he's like this

must be the Excel of Matrix

and he's like he kind of

describes it they usually

have him saying accurate

things like he pulls up to

a gas station where Marge

has just helped a friend

this rich woman figure out how

to pump gas and then he like

he hits Marge and he's like

you there fill it up with

petroleum distillate post

haste and revulcanize the tires

you know and I almost said

that to him like fill it up

with petroleum distillate

post haste but you know

I was going to assault some

stranger with Simpsons quote

but yeah he had a 3031

and the you know lady came

walking with her dog and was

like oh my god this is

amazing like what is this

and like that guy could not

hear so I think she thought

he was ignoring her and I was

like it's a 30 or 31 because

she was like how old is it

and she was like it's amazing

I was like they are amazing

I was pretty serious I mean

I love Model A's but I like

teas even better even though

teas in their original form

are a much more prehistoric

car you know they're

clunky quote unquote I mean

10 Lizzie's they rode hard

you know can you describe

the difference between them

I mean the model like visually

the model A is something much

more similar to what we would

consider being a car where the

Model T is much closer to

what I would consider looking

like a runabout and runabouts

are more like bicycle tires

and a swing arm

steering mechanism and

a very small motor so

like runabouts are your

early cars but they're like

bicycles you know okay and

that's like Ford's first car

runabout okay and they're

you know I think yeah the tea

it's just smaller looking it's smaller

you know narrower tires

and just all together

I don't want to say smaller

as in footprint but it is a

punier looking vehicle

I would say but I mean

there's so many different versions of it

I mean Jean's the thing is a tea

that's what you know that's what

he says in that one video he's like I might even bring

my tea coop you don't know

like so like I mean they're

pretty similar like there's all kinds of turtle

deck tees and like there's all you know

there's just a much clunkier

looking design whereas the

Model A 3031

is so close to a 32

you know if

you were an

unsuspecting person you just

would be like oh I don't know 3031

32 they're so close but

a 3031 and a 2829

if it's a if it's a coop they've got

a sun visor built in

to the stamping of the roof

it's a weird thing

but there's a sun visor on the car

and then you know

32 it's not there

it's an easy way to tell

but people like to put

Model A's on 32 rails

and then you have to like pinch the front of the rails

to fit the

radiator and grill shell on it

I think you have to narrow the hole

I think you have to narrow it in general just to fit the cowl

because the cowl on the

A is narrower than the 32

but it's a really

popular thing to put an A

on 32 rails because 32 rails are

beautiful they have these sweeps

they're kind of like a sima curve a sima curve

is a line must change directions twice before

it ends and that's considered like the most

beautiful shape in the

world you know

I've never heard of it

I guess I don't know beautiful shapes

what am I doing with my life

yeah what the hell

at least design books around here and you've never heard of a sima curve

yeah no

so there's you know

the A is

very modern where the T

I feel like a lot of hot rodders

sort of don't

about the much I think that there is a whole

there's a whole contingency of us

that are T crazy that are just like

now the Model T is it

again there's millions

of cars to support this belief

sold but that was a long

time ago right you die hard

your die hard T owners are all long gone

but

yeah I think they're still stylish hot rods

but this fancy one that Ed

so

yeah I wanted to know what was so special about it but you didn't have any

yeah I didn't have any information

on what was so special about it have any design

cues for me I know that really

puts the story on its face

yeah I kind of thought the interesting thing

about the story was that he

tore it apart with his hands

which I immediately thought of Mr. Burns

when he's got the baseball bat and he's gonna

hit that guy in the college admission board

that won't let Homer in and he's like

tapping him on the head with the baseball bat and he's like

what what are you doing and he's like

I'm giving you the thrashing of a lifetime

and he's like

okay you could have just bribed us

you know so

he

I

yeah I just I struggle

it would be cool to know what the difference was

and nothing that I read had the difference

yeah same I guess it would have been subtle

you know I mean it's not like it's like

his Model T at a bubble top or something

I couldn't really find out

like most of this information

actually all the information I find out was on forums

so

they were citing the books

and then I looked up the book is real

and the movie is real

so I didn't find any actual articles

I like the forum talk in the sense that

it continues to fuel these sort of like

you know

what what conspiracy theories and stories

are right there like handed down

passed around you know things

that you share with people and you just kind of enjoy

the

the lore of the story

yeah it's a fun part that's what we

want to bring to the listener that's you

people yeah we want to bring it to

you I do have another Henry Ford

story okay he

would so to the people that he

bought parts from he would

specify the kind of wood

and the dimensions and the kind of screws

for the crates and then they would

get broken down and they would be used for the

floorboards in the

cars

and you said that's not true well

I was trying to give it some suspense

there but yeah everything that

I saw was said that wasn't true in fact

they had their own department where they

recycled the crates

in the Ford factory where they had

people taking them apart and they're all

piled up against the

wall and then but also Henry

Ford owned a million acres or

a half a million acres in like

Michigan and he had a sawmill I've

passed that around as fact for a long time

I mean I was I thought

I'd seen it in a documentary because

the additional wood would go to the

King Ford charcoal company yep

or the sawdust would go to that

from what I read it was the sawdust

from the mills well charcoal is made from hardwood

well that's what

the article I read said but maybe it was

lying okay

maybe it was the hardwood maybe I read it wrong I don't

know but it was the scraps it wasn't like

a full piece of wood that they would chew up

but yeah I always I always took the

cutting down the crates

into using them in the interior the cars

were composite back then if you don't know

what composite means it's made from

two different things so

composites is typically how we refer to

fiberglass but back then composite cars

had a wood inner structure and a steel

outer and let me tell you it sucks

we

we had a Model A pickup that we

chopped and we had to get the rest of the wood out of it

and then build the inner structure for the door

to replace the wood out of metal

because it's like nailed to it

and so

that was a big thing when they changed the workforce

somebody had loaned

me this book that was a metal shaping book

Tony Swadden I think had loaned

it to me and it

talked about that at length in the center

of this chapter about

like changing

the workforce where like you know even

a banker used woodworking as a past

time because woodworking

was so common and they had to re-educate

this workforce that was a woodworking

workforce and they had all this timber

all this land you know that they

grew trees to make

composite interiors

and they now had to

move this workforce so these people would have been out of a job

and so they had to

move this workforce from working wood to working

steel which changed everything

I would imagine

it was a big deal going away from composite cars

and I'd say most people today

probably don't know that

no now they do

now you know

yeah I mean Faye Butler being a you know

that's one of my mentors Faye was a woodworker Anna

and you know he's one of the best sheet metal guys

there ever was and you know he

would make Auburn boat tails and Auburn boat

tails are heavily wood and so he would make

five or six of these boat tail

bodies out of wood and then he would make

the sheet metal for them but it was

primarily made out of wood

oh wow that's cool

it was a high dollar car so

it's a big deal

well one of the theories that I saw

on like a youtube video

about the floorboards

was that in during the dust bowl

when there wasn't you know

people couldn't afford anything

that the farmers

and whatnot would probably replace

the floorboards with crates

because you were using whatever you had

and then you know 30 years

later somebody discovers

this car and it

has floorboards that are crates and that would

further support

the legend that he used them

used it but maybe he did

I don't know

I only read an article and watched a video

well okay so that one is undecided

I guess okay the other one

we had the street car one

oh boy the street car one yeah

that GM bought up street cars

to kill and they like killed

the street car industry to make

people ride in cars and buy oil

oh and ride in buses because they were GM buses

yeah

which I lived in a GM type bus

I lived in a flexible clipper

owned by the guy that started AC Delco

oh wow

I didn't know that that's who owned it

yep I can't remember the guy's name

but I think AC Delco eventually absorbed

champion also

that guy was rich

by the way but I can't remember his name

I would imagine he was rich if he started AC Delco

it's just like one more of these people that you're like

oh this is an interesting story to read about some

rich prick

was he a prick

that's my general take on

people who have more than they need

oh okay

well let's hear more about this

killing of the

I just watched a youtube short

I thought you had more on that one

oh I do I do

I don't really have the meat and bones

here we go again I'm gonna get my notes

and we can just do dead air

Emily's got a Dead Sea Scroll worth of notes here

about these things

here is the thing is Rose is really smart

you all know and she can read

something and then it's instantly in her brain

like it's like she has

like a sponge but she also has

for

not gonna say it but

okay

hold on

okay let's cut this part out

for someone that smokes a lot of weed

oh you could have said that

okay for someone that

is a total stoner

I didn't want to call me a pod head on ear but

that's fine I don't care

for someone that's a stoner she has this ability

to reach into her short term memory

and bring things back

I on the other hand don't operate that way

and so I have to take notes

and sometimes I guess

it makes me sound like a robot

but I'm sorry I just want

to bring you the information sometimes I take

notes but

in this case I did not need to take notes

I've never seen you with notes

sometimes I type them in my phone

but yeah I do typically remember things

fairly well

I've been accused

of that making me think I'm a know-it-all

because I can remember and repeat things

but I don't agree with that

I'm not saying that you're a know-it-all

I just say that you know it all

I don't though

no I know you don't

okay you got it

I made it to my page

so it was the mid 20th century

and the rail cars were like

expensive

efficient and overall totally awesome

and people were stoked on them

but then GM started buying them up

and probably some other

highway type companies

like tire companies or oil companies or whatever

basically they would make the routes

smaller and then they would hike up the

prices this is what they were accused of

making the route smaller hiking up the prices

so people weren't as likely

to ride them

and

buses started coming along

and the buses were GM buses

and

those had

longer routes because the street cars were being sort of choked out

and then also like Rose said

cars became a thing

private cars but something that

refuted this was that street cars were

you had to be like

for public transportation you kind of need to be

within 30 minutes of walking distance

and that's at the most you don't want to work 30 minutes in the walk

you don't want to work

30 minutes in the rain

and then you want to be close to your place of work

like New York is great because they

have so many options

but for a lot of these small developing cities

they didn't have as many options

and so you had to live close and work close to things

so there was some inconvenience

and the buses didn't have

they were a lot easier and inexpensive

to put lines down

because the roads were already made

whereas a street car you had to put up the

electrical lines and you had to put rails down

so the buses you could very cheaply

just like you know put out

100 in a day or something probably not

that many but a lot and then

the cars because

it was such an inconvenience to ride

public transit and cars

started becoming something that people could

afford and if you were like getting groceries

then it's easier for you to get more than

two bags of groceries that you're going to

carry on public transit

I saw also that the street cars had

like mechanical problems and were often late

okay that's probably something that happened

too and that they would just

like you know you would wind up missing

you know you wouldn't be able to make it to work

yeah pretty much they were like

overcrowded and they would have mechanical

breakdowns and they became

inconsistent basically yeah well

the people that support the conspiracy want you to think

that the street cars were like floating on a

cloud and they were like beautiful and

you know not overcrowded

and just like perfect

I mean everything mechanical is a piece of shit

it's just like we get good

at fixing some things because the parts are durable

or whatever you know but

these things are willed into existence as we

regularly say and then you let a car sit and it doesn't

work so I mean yeah I get that and it's

electrical yeah in some

early electrical days we didn't have everything

sorted out I can promise you that right

so yeah I'm sure they had some issues

in the long run GM

was convicted along with various other

transportation companies

of conspiracy to monopolize the

market for transport

for transportation

equipment and supplies so to local

bus companies so they did get

evicted they did get evicted

they got convicted

for

my words today are really

going sideways convicted of bus eviction

yeah that's exactly what happened

yeah okay so it's not even a conspiracy

theory it did happen well it sort of

happened it happened part way I don't

know I think conspiracy is that GM

was like making it

so yeah I guess

maybe it did happen yeah you're right okay

I mean it's funny because

it's funny to think of it in that regard

now because like

at least you've got Detroit like

still have auto worker unions

and they're still people who are like

hey these tariffs won't be good for us

and we have people that we employ that need to eat food

right so at least they're not

sucking the dick of

the bullshit that's

going on right now but yeah

it's kind of funny to see that in a sense

I guess some people would say

would trash Detroit

for wanting to make electric cars I suppose

I don't know I mean they were

already doing that a long time ago so yeah

here we are finally 100 years

getting into it yeah I mean

jeez I mean it just turns cars into like

more throwaway junk so they should

be cheaper but they're not so

definitely criticize them over that but yeah

that sucks maybe we'll maybe we'll reach

out of motive perfection one of these days

you know as cars evolve

and that brings me to my theory

yeah let's hear it

as cars evolve I went a different

direction with my

car blanche to study this topic

and discuss it and so what

this brought me to when I

searched car conspiracy

was it brought me a conspiracy

on the movie cars

and it said these aren't cars

what are they

uh oh and so I

uh oh it was right was this on reddit

no this was a

this was a YouTube video and it was about 15

minutes long and I was like okay I'll go

for this and then I watched it and I laughed

two tears but

I laughed at tears but

it's I think highly accurate now there's

another video I should still watch

it's about a half hour long and it's

because this video I watched was from

eight years ago and then this other

video was from three months ago and it was

like cars mystery solved and it

looked quite similar when I just kind of

previewed some of the frames of it but

the basic

idea is like what

are these things they're like because

they're like okay first of all

there's a general Pixar theory

that all the Pixar movies are

in the same universe okay

uh they have the same like uh

store in them called buy in large

B&L and it's B-U-Y

like buy in large

and it's in toy

story and it's in all these other

movies and then he's like when we get

into cars he's like

if you watch around the track and it shows them

racing in this later cars movie

on the side of the track it's got the B&L

logo buy in large

and he's like so that sets

cars in this universe firmly

he's like but they're on

earth there's Route 66

he's like there's all these other cities

that we know

he's like but there's no human beings

but the cars are

sentient but then in this

scene we see he's like we see

Tomater ordering sushi

he's like so they still need to eat something

biological oh okay

he's like so wide and tasty

yeah he's like so they have

taste right but they're like sentient

they operate on their own there's nothing

there for them and

so

where this goes

further is it's like

what they're saying is

in

in Wally

they set up this AI

and the

AI is

designed

I guess to determine what is

what's human and what's not so this

AI starts

like in Wally and it takes over

the planet and starts

analyzing all of this stuff

and then

it

it's so sad for you guys that haven't watched it

yeah and then they

so I'm trying to remember this because I just watched it

and I fell asleep and then

I should have watched it get on the way over

you watched Cars or Wally

no just the theory just the theory

and so it's like

the AI

starts absorbing everything on earth

and

eventually somehow this gets to the movie

a bugs life

and the bugs

are I'm trying to think of how this

how this integrated a bugs life like because

the way that the guy analyzes it this

puts a bugs life just

ahead of cars where the AI

is melding with

insects right and a bugs life

he talks about that where like the bugs it's

the same thing the bugs are on earth

they're sentient

bugs and they're doing things

in all of these earth cities I forget

what tied the bugs into the AI but basically

the AI has evolved

to insects and the insects have evolved

to cars and there's a clip from a Pixar

episode that he played

where somebody from Pixar says

Lightning McQueen can't open his doors

because that's where his brains are

oh in the door

in the in the

in the cab so yeah inside the

cab of these cars passenger area

our brains right cars have

tongues right oh yeah they do right

right they eat they drink

they do live on

okay they do yeah they still

live on gasoline and oil for their engine

but then they have brains inside of them

okay but so the way that he like they

big they take up the whole cabin

that's kind of what the he implied

in this okay but the other thing is like

they're really smart then he's like

they've evolved from bugs he's like because

they have this exoskeleton

he's like they have this hard exterior

but then they have brains inside

and they have eyes and a tongue and teeth

and he's like they still need to eat

biological food

so

cars

for the movie cars

are some weird

insect

some weird evolved

insect that becomes a car

made a video on this yeah

but then like I said it's a 15 minute

video

15 minute really good

honestly it's really good I've left a few

holes because I laughed

through tears it was so funny

but I need to watch this other 30 minute

one because it kind of says the same thing

it's like what are they insects aliens

robots and I was like okay this

and they're by different people I was like these are

so close together I really should have watched the other

ones but there's a whole group of people

yeah at least

at least two people yeah I guess I guess you

could say so because I would support it I almost

send it to a couple other friends I'm still gonna send

it because I think it's really funny

it's an excellent point to

make it is horrifying in a sense

why is it horrifying

because they're like

Lightning McQueen is a

cab full of brains

it's a cartoon though

it's too real

okay are you gonna have nightmares

no I kind of love it

I mean

it is what it Wally is very sad

he's got a video

on the cannibalistic robots in Wally

so I should watch that

because it was I mean this was

again I laughed it was funny

it's funny to me I mean you're making me laugh

talking about it but these are like I think

they're good theories so

it wasn't what I was expecting to go down because

I didn't want to hit you know the standard

car conspiracy tropes like

again like the fish carbon stuff like that

I don't know bottles and

cream rails or with notes that say

but you were annoyed by this

sound or whatever like you know that's all

pretty no and you run the mill

so I thought you sure didn't know this is

crazy I didn't see anything about this

this took me this was a different rabbit hole

all together but I I don't know

so do you think it's true yeah I'm

with it I'm gonna promote it every time I watch it

I'm gonna tell people that these well like again

they get in this whole like the second

or third movie is like the spy thriller

where it's like there's the lemon car so

a fiat and a gremlin a fiat

is the lemon car fix it

again Tony

can you say that anymore

yeah people still say it

yeah it's a it's it's kind of like

when the Simpsons go bowling and there's the

stereotypes team

and

is like they begged me to join

their team and it's like

it's bumblebee man

the sea captain

whatever and then you see on the score board

their team name is the stereotypes

so

they're actually called car like real

car manufacturers they call them

lemons how'd they get away with that

you think they would get sued

for a slander or something

I think they would have to prove

that it hurt the

reputation of their cars and these

movies are so good and big it probably just

put them back in people's ears again

as lemons because

kids are playing with them as toys yeah their group

is called the lemons or whatever do they break down

all the time or well they're constantly leaking

oil everywhere that they go in the movie

they've got like petals of oil under them

or they like you know give chase

and they like crap out or whatever okay so

they are like it's like the modern

sense of the word the regular sense of the word

cars that were genuinely proven

to be limits okay

like the lemon law exists for a reason

and it's because of things like

those cars I mean the gremlin is

a little unfair because I

drove a gremlin and it was a pretty good car

yeah but didn't you also build

a lot of stuff on that didn't you well I put

disc brakes on it from an aero star

that's it you didn't do anything to the engine

no somebody else

put a Jeep engine in it but I mean that's basically

what it had to begin with okay so it had a

fresh one okay so I had a fresh

fresh I mean yeah I mean rings are it wasn't

just a regular stock one

but hey I like gremlins I'm not saying anything

I'm just playing devil's advocate here

yeah you love to do that I thought

my favorite thing in the world I'm sorry

again Fiat's got the name fix it again Tony

not because the acronym is there

it's because Fiat's were known for braking

right okay and then I think

that Fiat and Saab joined up

and so people rag on them for that too

okay for a similar thing

I forget

but yeah it's cars that were already known as lemons

probably a Corvair in there too

would be my guess I can't remember

Benny

I say that like you know who Benny is

no yeah exactly he's a young

metal shaper from California that I know

and Benny got me to watch it because he was like

I was driving the gremlins he's like

you got to watch cars too I think it's cars too

okay and it's like a spy thriller

is it good

yeah I've never seen the cars

it was kind of wacky

in the sense that it was

like a big oil scam

it had a twist that sort of didn't make sense

that was like

it in the in the sense that

like the scam that was portrayed in it

is a scam that is real and that it was

like the good guys were really

just helping oil companies sell more oil

oh okay I think

art imitates life yeah

it was kind of disappointing in a sense

I think unless I'm misremembering

but I kind of remember being like now this wasn't a good

story to tell kids like it was

basically telling kids like oil good

and you're like okay great

okay more oil loving

flag waving

so it was kind of lame

I think that was my take away from it

okay

huh well that's

I wasn't expecting that

well it's good I like it

I mean the conspiracy really richens up the car world

because it's post human beings

okay so there's no people in this

no and that means a bugs life

is the same thing but bugs life is

also post human beings

it's like um what is that

so like it puts them way way

in the future right

like really I forget how he

tied the two together and he was like that puts

you know this but it also puts toy

story way in the past in the Pixar

universe right yeah

interesting

because there's humans in that there's that

movie where the cars all go

crazy and try to kill

people yeah I think

what is that movie

oh it's maximum overdrive yeah maximum overdrive

I think that he mentions that in the video actually

there's an insane he refers to

no I'm sorry he refers to

a monster truck some weird monster

truck movie that Pixar did that sucked

but it sounded so similar like maximum overdrive

until I saw the clips I was like

oh this is something I haven't seen

I was on a road trip once and I saw a truck

with the gremlin sorry with the goblin

on the front of the semi behind me

it was it's actually

that semi truck that crazy semi truck

I think if you go on the custom banner

Instagram and scroll way down

back to 2011 that photos in there

because it was like on my way back

from I had quit

the hot rod shop and I was working

for my friend's machine shop and I had just

delivered some big stainless air compressor rings

to Kodak in Rochester New York

and I was on my way back from Kodak

and I was in Ohio

and I was like oh my god

it's the maximum overdrive semi truck

and I got a photo of it in my rear view

whoa did you freak out

yeah that was awesome yeah I think it's awesome too

it's only it's only us and like three other people

that have seen that movie no there's quite a few

it is so due for a remake

now is the time for

you think they would remake it

why not of all the garbage movies that have been

well though

what do you mean with bluetooth and all this stuff

with bluetooth

now you're the one

sure yeah I mean yeah you'd be like

how did that thing become sentient oh it got a bluetooth signal

from this oh okay

I thought you meant like bluetooth

I thought you meant bluetooth isn't special effects

you can't see this but I'm looking

again she's rolling her eyes and looking to the side

I squinted my eyes

and looked to the left as if there's a peanut gallery

to agree with me or something like

Rose loves a good eye roll she loves

you're obviously not using your imagination here

we are in the time of devices

I'm listening okay alright

oh how does the lawnmower come to life

that's a two stroke like that doesn't

make any fucking sense

it's got to be a corded I think in that case

it's a corded lawnmower right and the cord comes unplugged

so like that because you have to

also imagine what

what immobilizes these things

right so in maximum like

maximum overdrive I think even as like

there's a blender that comes on

you know or like the garbage disposal

yeah it's like all electronics

yeah and there's the semi truck

goblin on the front and then

I saw my truck so badass I can't believe you saw one

oh my god it was awesome

because it looks like I think it looks like

the green goblin from spider-man is what the face

kind of looks like oh okay I don't know that

yeah maybe from the animated

spider-man I think they're quite similar

um maximum overdrive

is way overdue okay

you know no you changed my mind I agree

and like you know who would they pick

like who would be the

star of that like that guy from

Adventureland or whatever Jesse

something I don't know you'd be good for the movie

stars I don't know if I could name a

I mean I don't even remember who's in

maximum overdrive I don't even care I think

um what's his name is it Emilio

Estevez I think Emilio Estevez isn't it okay

yeah that's kind of what my mind keeps telling me

is it's Emilio Estevez yeah

uh it's good

it's just funny to me that of all the

dumb movies that have been remade

like this is the time for that movie

yeah okay I agree with

you now I'm now I'm you've sold me on it

do you have another car conspiracy

no

I have one about

this one takes place in

probably the 70s

and it's more of an urban legend than a

conspiracy and it's that there was

a gentleman who died

in his corvette not true

and

it was

like a few months before they

found him and so his body was in it was

like summertime so his body was like

heavily decomposed

that's disgusting and it was

the car was for sale for a hundred

dollars at a car lot

because they couldn't get the smell out

and so all of these teenage

boys

heard about this car and were looking for this

car there were several I got this all

off of like uh the comments

off of a haggardy story it was in

the comments section there were several

uh older gentlemen who would have been

in the 70s who were like oh yeah I

looked for that car oh yeah I thought

I tried to find that car

and um one

part of the legend goes that everything

that was basically non-porous like all of the

mechanical stuff got taken out so

all that was left was the shell

and the interior

but one guy was like I was just going to take a bunch

of bleach to it like they didn't care for

a hundred bucks it was supposed to be a 69

big block and um yeah

that's the story of the dead guy in the corvette

nobody ever found it so

I mean okay

so it was

do you think it was just advertised in newspapers

I think

it maybe started as

I don't know

maybe because these guys obviously think it's real

oh they totally thought it was real but they're also

just could just be I mean they're not

bots right no no these are guys

on forums or yeah

I think that I don't think they're bots they had a lot to

say about it okay um

and mostly what they said about it is that they were

trying to find it guy melted in his car but

for a hundred dollars they wanted I mean that'd be a hundred

car you know well

you're a 17 year old kid you want a corvette

yeah I get it you want a 69 big block corvette

yeah I mean I could give you another one which

is like the guy that supposedly stole a

Jato rocket off of a base and then

strapped it to a car and then the car

was embedded in an Arizona

mountainside or something like that whoa

Jato stands it's J-A-T-O

Genesis to take off and it

was for short improvised

runways in war zones

so they would put them on C-130

and then they would hit the Jato's

and basically send the thing straight up in the air

so like on a C-130 that

produces a moment of anti-gravity

inside of it so like the blue angels

have their C-130 support

called Fat Albert

and Fat Albert would use these Jato's that were

left over from Vietnam and then

yeah they would just basically go straight

up in the air off the runway well

the thing about that is like

we were running out of Jato's we're now officially

out of Jato's right so Fat Albert

had to be retired and was replaced

with the new KC-130 which can basically

do the exact same thing with its

stock engines okay

it can do a short runway take off and go straight

up but there's supposedly you know people

always talk about this car that's embedded in

the mountainside because of the stolen Jato

rocket was the guy in the car

it was like him and a buddy he was wanting to commit suicide

yeah that's part of the story

that's part of what people think

that is a way to go out if you're going to commit suicide

that's a pretty creative way

I'm pretty sure it's been fully debunked

yeah probably

because I think Mythbusters did it

oh and they couldn't go into the mountainside

I just don't think any of it made any

sense yeah all right well

let me get back to my notes again real quick

and see because I might have one more

Emily's got one more in the Dead Sea scroll here

but she's got to shuffle through

these papers

and find out some more lore

you know you could have dug through those while I was telling the Jato

story um well I didn't

want it I didn't want it to make noise while you were telling

the story that's very nice we use directional mics

so yeah but I always get worried it's

going to say a noise it's going to say

a noise wow

let me just say a noise at you real quick

well we didn't really finish the fish carburetor

thing keep going but also

this has to do with the fish carburetor and this

has to do with the 100 to 200 miles an hour

wow

you're destined to constantly

exchange those two acronyms

that's for gallon

yeah so I had a part

of the story where like the guy gets killed

outside of a bar by Detroit

I had some part of this there was

a conspiracy and it was I thought it was

related to the fish carburetor that the inventor

but I think this is

something else but it's the same thing

it's like this highly fuel-efficient carburetor

he did disappear according to the article

that I read

okay so you looked it up after I mentioned that

no I looked it up when we first

decided to do this

but so this goes back to the 100 to 200 miles

per gallon

okay

car story

and you said it right I wasn't familiar I didn't remember what we were talking about

because I kept thinking we were talking about 200 mile an hour car

exactly

this was again from the comment section

and this was a guy who

a legend that he heard from his dad

his dad bought a new 58

Impala when he was 17

and it got 30 miles per gallon

and then

he took it in for some warranty work

unrelated to the fuel system

they kept it longer than they should have kept it

again that's another thing in that other legend

and when he got it back it was

15 to 60 miles per gallon

wait a minute

hang on a second and this was from his dad

hang on a second this is why this doesn't make any

goddamn sense

they had a car that got a miraculous

amount of mileage and they

took it in for service

no for a warranty some kind of warranty service

that had nothing to do with the fuel system

hmm

hey I'm just saying this came from this dude's dad

I don't know maybe his dad was lying

I think his dad is now dead

something that I think about

well yeah Detroit had him killed

so Coop told me about how

odd lots

is big lots like

big lots are called odd lots

and he was like oh yeah that started here in Columbus Ohio

and I want to say

when he told me that like because they would sell

discount carburetors and car parts that's how

odd lots started

it was a place that sold over stock car parts

and I could swear

either he told me or I saw it in an odd

lots ad but they would sell fish carburetors

at odd lots

whoa they did sell them

yeah they're real and they

I think I read 125,000

got sold or manufactured

and there was a thing

saying the government conspired against the guy

um

or not the government

sorry the big oil

and gas and companies conspired

against the guy one thing they said

because he had a guy

Fireball Roberts

who was a famous

stock car racer I guess had switched out

the carb and had done really well

in the um preliminaries

then his tires would never make it through

the um

not preliminaries

whatever they're called

his tires wouldn't make it through huh

yeah and so that was uh

not like what the other stock car racers

tires would do and so that was one of the

conspiracies and then there was

is that like you know they were like taking

out his tires and then another

conspiracy was that

the um mail

would and it was after that

who was that guy that lost his business

that we talked about earlier

yeah that guy

it was after that guy got in trouble

in a court of law

uh after

after he got in trouble in a court of law

he didn't get evicted he got

hahahaha

you're a

you're a word switcheroo today

oh my god

it's early it's in the morning people

coffee I don't know what's going on with me

but after he got convicted

he didn't get convicted he got acquitted

okay um anyway this was after that and

apparently every most of the

fish carbs that were being um

shipped

would get returned with the uh stamp

fraudulent the mail

would turn it would like the us postal

office would turn it back and say it was

fraudulent and so he couldn't get anything

shipped out and then some guy in Canada

bought it and then they could

ship it there and then someone

which I don't know if they could ship to the US though

cause it seems like the post office would still

and then more recently someone in Utah

bought it I can't remember what year

but it was like pretty modern times like after the 70s

yeah so that's all I remember

from that oh and then they just said that the guy

kind of just disappeared

into the what I can't remember what his name

is this not a very respectful story

cause I can't remember the guy's name

it's in these notes but now the notes are all

I don't have numbers on the pages

here first folks the pile up where we get the news

wrong exactly

exactly

okay so this is my last one

oh wow you have one more I do I have one

more it's a short like urban legend too

we've got enough tape go for it yeah we do

um okay so this guy

drives a concrete truck and he goes home

in the middle of the day to surprise his wife and he sees this

like brand new convertible

hot rod in his driveway

and he freaks out and he dumps

all the concrete into the car

only to find out that his wife

had bought the car brand new for him

I was afraid that's where he was going

as a present and so

jealous Jerry

so um

yeah jealous Jerry

so the guy that said this was also in the forums

he said the book that he got this from

is called remarkable true occurrences

whose author assured me he had the press

clippings to confirm it

that was a true story

I mean it sounds about right

anyway that's all I have

so what do you think he did

I mean he had overnight

to set some rebar in that

thing and chain it out of the tub

I think maybe

insurance didn't cover it

and I don't know what he did

he could have taken the cowl off

he could have taken the cowl off the car and maybe got it out

got the concrete out

do we talk about a 30s car

I don't know this was in like the

60s or 70s

he's driving a concrete truck

probably the 70s

my grandfather buried a woman

you can look this up

this was Aurora Indiana and grandpa

buried this woman in her convertible

actually I have looked that up

we were going to do that for a Halloween story

I can't believe that was your grandpa

have we talked about that before

you can even ask Lauren

we have talked about that before

when grandpa died there were these photos

of like a swimming pool sized hole

and I was like dad what's this

and he was like that woman

loved that car and she wanted to be buried

with it when she died

and so your grandfather got permission

my grandpa made burial vaults

and he was a funeral

director and all that but he made burial vaults

from 1954 to like 1992

and then he sold the company

individual mausoleum

is what it was called and he made burial vaults

and septic tanks, concrete forms

perfect two things

sorry everybody they're kind of the same

and they

put the top down they laid the front seat down

and they set the casket over the front seat

and that's how they buried the car

they lowered into the swimming pool

sized hole and filled it in nowadays

you'd never get away with it but they had to definitely drain the fluids out

because the worry with that

is groundwater contamination

you start dripping stuff

that's why you're not supposed to bury oil

people write me all the time about

when that like popular mechanics article

about burying used oil

and your yard goes around

conservative people send me that all the time

like I wrote the article

or like I've been against the article

or something like people will send it to me

and be like see you can just drop it

right back in the ground right where it came from

exactly how it came out like okay

like it doesn't get processed we just take it out of the ground

and use it as oil are you kidding me

like second of all

it's about contaminating groundwater

you don't want to do that

the whole thing about people dumping chemicals

down the drain from like making meth and shit

in water sanitation

they can get most things

back out of the water it's the fucking chemicals

that people dump down the drain

that we can't get back out of the water

and that's what ruins water sources

for people

is dumping those kinds of things down the drain

that are like chemicals that don't break down easily

but that's also the problem

with companies like Dupont

leaching

carbon chains into the water sources

which is what Dark Waters is about

it's about like C9 I think

which is that stands for nine carbon atoms

together and it's like a Teflon byproduct

and it's a hard chemical

and that is now in water all over the world

and they can't find

it gets in our bodies and doesn't break down easily

and that's what the whole lawsuit's about

well Dupont never really paid out

they created a system to pay people out

and basically obfuscated and have never done it

you can Google like C9 in my water

and they had it in Edwards Air Force Base

water which was right by me in California

that came all the way from

Rouge plant in DC

Washington Works that's where it originates

is them dumping it in

they replaced the town next to them

they replaced their entire well

and then they kept finding more and more C9

in there and 3M was like

making it for them and then was like

okay guys this shit's fucked up

we're gonna stop making it so 3M moved on

but then they you know so Dupont was like

well they kept changing like

oh the parts per million is safe and whatever

and you know this kind of stuff

is just like

typical

I suppose I don't know

what do you expect I'm not gonna go

nuts on that but anyway

yeah on that note

that's a good note too

it's a good depressing note to end the podcast

I mean yeah

that's why we don't bury cars

but my grandfather did that

you can look it up

it's Aurora Indiana and it's by the river

it's right by the fucking river

that's cemetery so like

it's not a great thing to do it's why they don't want you to bury

animals in your yard, horses and things like that

definitely not a horse it's a lot to break down

yeah they don't want you to do that but people do it anyway

I do have

we do have something light to end on

okay go ahead

first of all I wanna say that if anybody knows a car legend

or an urban legend about a car

DM either Queen of the Vans

or Car Crush

and let us know because we would love to hear them

and we'll talk about it on the next episode

and speaking of the next episode

we are going to cover

cute little things that you like

about your car and these are generally

the ones I've thought of so far for my cars

are mechanical things

or electrical things that I find

to be sort of like oh

that's good design or it just kind of tickles me

like I love that my car has this feature

so yeah if you have anything like that

and I'm going to research probably Rose already knows some

there's a bunch of like

older cars that have cool design features

my car has an ashtray

that's a great design feature

that's about the only feature the car has

is there really an ashtray in there?

okay never noticed it

well mine's covered with my phone holder

oh okay that's why

well it used to be a smoking world

that's immediately a few of the things that come to my mind

or some smoking apparatus

that I could tell you about

okay pretty neat

well there is probably

hopefully we get some people

I doubt it commenting in

well I doubt it

we might some people love their cars

and they'll tell us a little cute little thing that their car has

that they appreciate

yeah and that's all

hmm that's all that we have for you today

unless you got something Rose

frankly I don't

okay well thanks

yeah I just want to say thanks to people for listening

yeah I want to say thanks to you

we appreciate it

we look at the millions of listens we get

every week

we really appreciate them

we're such a low voltage AM station

this only gets out about one block

we cover the people that live above and below

and then basically

this one block here in the neighborhood

but we get millions of listens

well that's because it's on the world wide web

so exciting

alright well

I was about to say thank you for listening again

you done been piled up

yeah you done been piled up

bye

you

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