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Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is a high-end SUV made by Porsche. The electric version means it's powered by electricity instead of gasoline, which is better for the environment.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower measures how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and more powerful the car can be.
Term
1000 club
The '1000 club' is a term used for cars that have at least 1000 horsepower. It means these cars are incredibly powerful and fast.
Term
quarter mile
The quarter mile is a distance used in racing to see how fast a car can go from a standstill to the finish line. A time under 10 seconds is considered very fast for a car.
Car
Tesla Model S Plaid
The Tesla Model S Plaid is a fast electric car that can go from 0 to 60 mph very quickly. It's known for being one of the quickest cars available.
Car
Porsche Cayenne Turbo
The Porsche Cayenne Turbo is a fast and luxurious SUV made by Porsche. It's built for people who want a powerful vehicle that can also be comfortable and stylish.
Term
0-60 time
0-60 time is how long it takes a car to go from a stop to 60 miles per hour. It's a way to measure how fast a car can speed up.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 GTS is a faster and sportier version of the regular 911, designed for those who want more performance and fun while driving.
Part
active arrow louvers
Active arrow louvers are parts of a car's bumper that can move to help the car go faster or stay cooler. They adjust automatically based on how the car is being driven.
Term
ABS
ABS is a system in cars that helps prevent the wheels from stopping completely when you brake hard. This helps you steer better and avoid skidding.
Term
DRS
DRS is a system used in racing cars that helps them go faster by changing the shape of the rear wing to reduce air resistance. This makes it easier for cars to pass each other on the track.
Part
active aerodynamics
Active aerodynamics are parts of a car that can change shape or position while driving to help it perform better. They can make the car more efficient by improving how air flows around it.
Concept
venturi effect
The venturi effect happens when air moves faster through a narrow space, which can help create better airflow around a car. This can improve how the car handles and its efficiency.
Term
MPG
MPG means how far a car can go on one gallon of gas. The higher the MPG, the better the car is at using fuel efficiently.
Term
over-the-air software updates
Over-the-air software updates let car companies fix or improve your car's software from the internet, so you don't have to go to a shop. It's like updating an app on your phone.
Car
Porsche Taycan
The Porsche Taycan is a luxury electric car from Porsche. It can receive software updates over the internet, which means you don't always have to visit a dealership for improvements or fixes.
Concept
SUV
An SUV, or Sport Utility Vehicle, is a larger type of car that can carry more people and cargo. They are often used for family trips and can handle rougher roads better than regular cars.
Car
Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT
The Porsche Cayenne Turbo GT is a fast and powerful SUV that feels like a sports car when you drive it. It’s great for people who need space for family or stuff but still want to go really fast.
Brand
Tesla
Tesla is a car company that makes electric cars, which are vehicles powered by electricity instead of gasoline.
Brand
Rivian
Rivian is a new car company that makes electric trucks and SUVs designed for outdoor adventures.
Term
front fascia
The front fascia is the front section of a car that includes the grille and headlights. It's important for how the car looks and how it moves through the air.
Car
Porsche Carrera GT
The Porsche Carrera GT is a supercar made by Porsche that was built in the early 2000s. It's famous for being very fast and having a unique design.
Car
Porsche 918 Spyder
The Porsche 918 Spyder is a really cool car that can run on gas and electricity, making it super fast while also being better for the environment. It’s a special sports car that shows how advanced car technology can be.
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Porsche Panameras
The Porsche Panamera is a fancy car that looks like a sports car but has four doors, so you can fit more people inside. It's known for being really fast and comfortable, making it a great choice for people who want a nice ride that can also be used every day.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a super-fast version of the regular 911 car, built for people who love racing and driving really well. It’s lighter and has a stronger engine, which helps it go faster and handle better on the road or track.
Car
Cadillac STS
The Cadillac STS is a fancy car made by Cadillac that is designed to be very comfortable and nice to drive. It’s a good choice for people who want a luxury car without spending too much money.
Term
911 R
The 911 R is a special version of the Porsche 911 that is made to be lighter and more fun to drive. It has a powerful engine and a stick shift, which many car lovers prefer.
Term
911 ST
The 911 ST is another special version of the Porsche 911 that is made for racing. It's lighter and faster than regular models, which makes it very desirable for collectors.
Term
red line
The red line shows the highest speed the engine can safely go. Going past this point can hurt the engine.
Part
Metzger engine
The Metzger engine is a special kind of engine made by Porsche that is known for being very powerful and reliable. It's often used in their sports cars and racing cars.
Term
manual transmission
A manual transmission is a system in cars where you have to change gears yourself using a stick and a pedal. It gives you more control over how the car drives.
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RPM
RPM tells you how fast the engine is spinning. Higher RPMs usually mean more power, but can also mean less fuel efficiency.
Term
DFI engine
DFI means Direct Fuel Injection, which is a way of getting fuel into the engine. It helps the engine run better and use fuel more efficiently.
Term
curb weight
Curb weight is how much a car weighs when it's ready to drive, with gas and oil but without any people or stuff inside. It's useful for comparing how heavy different cars are.
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redlining
Redlining is when the engine is running at its highest speed. Going past this limit can hurt the engine.
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Let's get started.
So announcement today, you're listening to this.
Obviously it's going to be Thursday, but they released the Cayenne electric.
Kind of surprising.
So let's dive into it.
Um, at full tilt, 1193 horsepower.
So it is in the.
So many horses.
It's in the 1000 club.
So this is officially the most powerful road car Porsche has ever made.
Is it the heaviest road car they've ever made as well?
Oh, I'm sure they didn't even discuss curb weight.
Um, but so let's, let's get into some of the hard facts.
And then we'll talk about some fact for some of our opinions on it.
And we think it's going to happen.
So the right now, I'm sure there's going to be more come along.
But right now there's only two options.
There's the base model, which they're just calling Cayenne electric.
And then they're calling the top tier.
Unfortunately, the turbo moniker is back.
Cayenne turbo is the top level.
Okay.
So that's the one with the big horsepower as you would imagine.
Entry price starting before options before you go nuts is starting at 160.
That's a super strong number.
It's strong, but not crazy for Cayenne though.
No, I mean, it's on par with like gas powered, which is insane to say like,
but I feel like you can get, I guess if you bought a Cayenne turbo.
Like, I think starting prices roughly are about the same.
Like combustion wise.
So another crazy thing about this is that there's a lot of cool things into this.
So just bear with me.
It runs a quarter mile in nine seconds, not flat, but in the nines,
probably just like 9.899 or something like that right under 10.
But it's still insane to think about this thing probably weighs a solid 6000 pounds.
So Vendee's a woman perfectly happy with this thing.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean, this thing can like just from a dead standstill, like on prep road,
run a rip off a nine second quarter mile, which is, I mean, it's on par
with some of the high level, you know, like Tesla plaid stuff,
like all of that super, super high level stuff.
I'm sure there was some benchmarks.
It looks like the Cayenne turbos are around 160 issues.
Yeah.
So, so that makes sense.
Zero to 60 time 2.5 seconds.
I mean, that's hypercar territory, like for combustion engine stuff.
And it's just an SUV.
So you can put, you know, four people or five people in there and get them all
sick on launch control if you want, like break your neck, you know,
recalibrate your child's brain if you need to reset.
You have a problem in the backseat.
Watch this.
What happened to the baby?
I don't know.
I just blacked out really fast.
He's pulled three G's.
It's an infant.
Take it easy.
You don't know that.
Yes, I do.
Some of the other cool stuff it has some other party tricks.
So it stole the party trick from the the GTS, the 911 for the front
active arrow louvers in the bumper.
So those change as the car seems fit.
You have no control over that.
So whatever the car wants to do with those, those are for the car.
Those are not for you in the back on the top roof.
There is an active spoiler, which is kind of cool.
So kind of like very old school 9 11 and all current 9 11's with
just a flat decklet.
It comes up with speed.
So it comes up a little bit.
And the real party trick with that is under a hard breaking.
I would imagine if ABS is going to engage or something.
It turns into an air brake.
So it comes.
Yeah.
So does some McLaren type stuff, some like DRS type things.
And then in the very like rear quarter panels down by the bumper,
some really, really funky stuff goes on after you start to go
down speed you so you don't see it because they go away when
the vehicle sits still.
But there's these like almost slats that come out of the rear
bumper.
And those are also active.
The purpose of those are to help with range.
Actually, they found in the wind tunnel that there was causing
like a venturi effect behind the car as the air swooped by that
back bumper.
So these fins come out of the back and push the dirty air
further back.
So it doesn't vortice vortice around the rear bumper.
And it said.
No jet wash.
They basically get 15 more miles of range just because of
those like, like basically rear planes, you know, almost
if you can imagine, I'm like, or what are the dot two is going
to look like?
They're coming out from everywhere.
Yeah.
Just like all of these things on it.
It's like this total transformer mode.
A blowfish.
Yeah.
So that's exterior stuff.
So some really, really trick industry first in the interior.
They have a center screen that's curved like, you know,
like those phones that kind of like live for a little bit.
I don't know if they're still existing, but they have
the curved screen, but it's obviously a large screen.
It's not some rinky dink screen.
And the cool thing about it is it's curved screen and it goes
down into the basic center console.
The screen does and it scrolls like into the into it and
out of it.
It's pretty wild looking, but I mean, it's some super cool
technology.
And when you have the GPS navigation map on, it almost
looks three dimensional, like the way if you scroll it
because it'll, it'll show you topography.
It's, it's wild.
Like it's almost like special forces, like style, like
blue floors, trackers, stuff we were using back in like,
you know, the M wraps and stuff like that.
But it's pretty wild.
You can.
So that's, those are like the highlight highlights,
you know, the very high level type stuff.
It's got wireless charging.
Yeah.
So that's another thing that I was going to.
You can plug it in or you can park it on a pad, which is
wild.
Right.
So it has, it comes with a pad, a charging pad.
I must imagine that thing is a huge like cell phone and
it just, and it doesn't even have to make contact.
It's just over it.
And it draws power from this pad.
So the video that I watched on it, the tutorial,
which was pretty cool, pretty in depth.
Daddy Doug did a review on it.
So watch that one.
And the cool thing about it is it's so intelligent.
He asked all the right questions and he reported on it,
meaning like, what if you drive over it?
Will you break it?
It's like super sturdy.
No, it won't.
It has a nap.
How do you know you're over it has a rear camera on the
bottom side of the deck where it basically has a docking
station comes up when you're ready to dock on it.
And then it tells you where you, when you're docked
on it to park, like when you've engaged it,
almost like you're refueling like a fighter jet or
something.
The next thing's like, oh, what if my, I have a cat and
it lays on it and will it get zapped?
And because it's all trans transduction, it's not like
it's through the air.
It's not even making contact with it.
So like once it senses anything, it stops
immediately, stops charging.
Just like a cat house all of a sudden.
It's okay.
And it won't start charging until whatever that object
is leaves that like the pad.
So it's like something is touching the pad.
It'll stop.
It has to do that because the human, just humans in
general.
So this is the reason it took so long for them to
develop it because they have so many accessories.
Yeah, they did all this like stuff.
Yeah.
It's like industry first type stuff.
Like this is a first that pad thing is a first.
Oh, you said they had, it's got to be something
specific.
They couldn't have just copied and pasted it and
made it bigger.
And it's nothing close to that.
And we'll get into the design and the thought
process behind it and what it looks like and all
that in a minute.
But more on that though, on that charging pad.
So some people, oh, is it waterproof?
What happens if it's outside?
You could actually put this thing outside.
Like Portia said, like it's, you don't have
to put it in your garage.
So, so meaning like, oh, you know, like some
people are like, well, I don't want to put
a charging station at my house.
Like this thing like comes with this thing.
So it's like you lay it down and then you kind
of like bolt it to the ground.
So it's somebody doesn't swipe it obviously.
Yeah.
And then you could park in your driveway in it.
If you wanted to, I know a lot of people probably
wouldn't feel comfortable with that, but you
could because it's designed to withstand
the elements.
So it's,
That's good news for like scaling this stuff.
Yeah.
These things could go anywhere.
Well, I'm sure that's why they kind of,
I bet there's got to be some kind of major
patent that they have on this thing where
they're going to sell this technology to other places
and make a ton of money.
Well, now that this is out.
Yeah.
All the EV places are going to be like,
well, you know, like, why doesn't Rivian
have this?
Why doesn't Tesla have this?
So it's not in
place of charging in a cable.
It's just an additional thing to do
if you don't want to plug in.
I didn't see if it was, is it slower
by any percentage?
It is slower.
So what it says like it can take you
from basically a dead battery
to full charge in
eight to nine hours.
So
if you come home and you're
done for the night, obviously going to go to
sleep or whatever before you go to work the next
day or your next activity or whatever
you end up doing,
that's not that big of a deal.
If you need faster charging out, they recommend
the cable.
Another cool feature
that I guess
another reason why they took so long with this
battery,
the type of battery, I think the
silicone that they use in these batteries
are some of the fastest charging batteries
available, like
hands down on the market.
The catch is to find
a charger that can actually charge it
as fast.
So that's what they said.
It's capable of going from
basically 5%
to 80% charged
in 14 minutes.
I mean, that's pretty.
That's basically a gas stop.
But
there's very few chargers that can do this.
So basically it has the
technology built into it that's capable
and it says if you can find
a charging station that's basically a super
charger that's capable of
delivering enough power to
the Cayenne, it can receive
it just as faster
than anything can basically charge
faster than anything
on the market. But the catch is
you have to go charge at one of these
hyper stations essentially.
I know they have a new terminology for it.
Yeah, I forget what it's called, but it's
like old ultra or something like that.
Yeah, I'm just going to call it a hyper station.
I don't know.
Hyper charger.
There we go. Sounds better.
So that's another thing.
And now let's get into the design
of it. It actually looks really cool.
It looks good.
It doesn't look bad.
It doesn't look like some wonky ass
like, I don't know.
Well, it's not far off of
where they came from.
I think that's a good thing too. They could have made it
crazy.
Well, the thing is, is I think
what I'm glad they didn't do is like
try to make it another coupe version.
Like, because they're notorious for doing that.
You know, when they made the McConny,
they made the rear of it even more
slanted and bubbly.
I think it, there's obviously
reasons for that and it probably
has to do everything with range.
But this one looks like
more of a traditional SUV.
It doesn't look
like too weird, I guess,
is the best way. It's more standard.
Like the roof rake is a little bit lower,
but the haunches are a little bit taller.
Like it looks pretty aggressive.
It doesn't look, it doesn't look
mundane looking. It doesn't look like,
oh, of course, it's,
it looks blah.
It's an EV. It does look
like Ninja Turtle, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't have
all that. And then like there's a lot of like
subtle things that they did.
They raised the pontoons in the front.
You can't see it really
from the outside, but they showed the cockpit
of it.
And it looks like 9-11
pontoons. So they want to
get, they took a lot
of, I guess, time
with this because they wanted to
integrate a lot of things
that they really, really wanted to have
in this thing.
Porsche says,
we talked on the last episode
about what the estimated
EPA was on it. There's no official
EPA. EPA takes a little bit longer
to make their official,
I guess, mileage
range, but Porsche says
that in normal
climate, it's not even like favorable. Like, oh,
it's 65 degrees outside.
No wind and like we're hyper
miling. They're saying in normal conditions,
like not,
you know, 90 degrees ambient, but probably like
85, 80-ish
they're getting more than 350
like per range. Obviously,
the more you stay your foot in the right
or in the gas pedal or I should say the electric
pedal or whatever you want to call it,
the throttle,
that number is going to diminish just like
your MPG would anyways.
But if you're driving
under normal conditions, they're saying
basically above 350
is not uncommon.
Did they say how far, they didn't give a specific
number. They just said they're getting more than 350.
So I mean, even if you're getting like
365,
70-ish, that's still pretty
stout.
And to have almost 1200 horsepower
to go along with it.
Now, I would say the biggest
thing on it obviously
is starting at 160, right?
So,
and these will not be getting delivered,
they said, until summer
of 2026.
So they're taking orders right
now. As we speak, you go to your dealership
in place in order for it. Maybe you might be getting
an allocation for something special because you buy
one. Who knows? You get a little bonus
thing, right?
But yeah, I think
I think it looks great.
There's a lot of cool G-Wiz
things here. Range is good.
Power is on par
or better than a lot of the industry standard.
So that was like the main concern.
I thought I was like, oh man, if they end up
with only like 800 or 900 horsepower, which
sounds ridiculous, but the thing weighs
I think I was being pretty generous
at 6,000. It probably weighs
more than that. I think this at the top
of the top ends like 5,800.
It's not bad.
It also toes. That's something
I can do it in. It's almost
8,000 pounds.
The trick is EVs
historically don't do well talking
anything. It's speed of mileage. You wouldn't
have any of that. So I don't know
how well the charge is. They didn't really get
into that. And I don't want to suspect
many, many people will be buying it
for those reasons.
Let's talk about what we think
that will do like on sales. I think
this is especially
in EV hotbeds like California,
Texas, maybe
Florida, like those kinds of places
like big metropolitan cities, maybe
like Atlanta, you know, Dallas,
those kinds of places. I think this thing's going
to do pretty good. I think a lot of people are going to buy this.
I think this might be another
original Cayenne launch.
They weren't sure, but it's
the right size now.
It's doing all the things.
It's doing more things than anybody's
expected.
It's literal things you can't do with your normal
Cayenne if you got one already.
And it has the
the big manufacturer backing
like that people kind of like.
So it checks all the boxes
to be successful.
It has the most range that you
almost can buy on the market outside
of the New Rivian.
I think I quoted that at 410,
but I mean people, that's all relative, right?
So like even if it's pretty close to that
price point wise
it is more expensive.
However, with
that expense, you do get
the powerhouse of
the Porsche service department of
pretty much a Porsche dealer
in every major town.
So you don't see as much with an EV.
Yeah.
And I'm sure there's probably some specialty
rollouts as far as like they can do
even with the Taycan they were doing
over air software updates for you
so you didn't have to go into the office
or I mean to the service facility,
but if it's anything major,
I'm sure there's
they can tow it in for you or whatever
you may need.
It sounds like it has a lot of
recipe ingredients to be very
only time will tell, but I do
I anticipate
that I think it will do pretty well
I would imagine, especially with those EV
crowds
because I think that some of them
that are kind of those EV
I guess
early adopters and still adopting
like this kind of
is
different than a lot of the stuff that's already out there
in a good way I guess
it's different in the sense of
it's coming from a manufacturing
brand that
their pedigree is sports cars.
Yeah, it's coming from a legacy.
So like they'll have all their current
customers intrigued
kind of like the Taycan
but I think this is going to check a lot more
boxes for a lot more people because
you know if you have a significant other
a lot of people like SUVs
like we talked about this before there's no denying that
people like them
they're truck like
they sit above the ground more like
I think that this should have came out first
but I see
why they probably didn't want to launch this first
they wanted the technology to get
they wanted the technology to get a little bit more mature
before they before
because I think they know
they're this is their bread
and butter like they sell
more SUVs than they sell 9-11's
there is no doubt you can look at their
statue it's there is no secret
you can pull that down and
obviously I'm talking about combustion engine stuff
but they're hoping some of that translates
this will sell side by side
with their combustion engine and like I said
they're going to do real time basically
research of seeing
which one of these is more successful
Yeah, Cayenne, Turbo GT
you'll come out and then
I hope they kind of pump the brakes with that
I think because of their
I guess self-imposed
um
projection of not
success as far as money
goes I think they'll limit
like especially a new CEO coming in I think that
usually if you're
you're in a situation where
you're cash poor
like those and you're being
being hired to come in like he's probably
going to strip house in a way
um and
doing that is eliminating some of the models that
really don't need to exist
like streamlining their model stuff
like you mentioned on previous
podcast a couple of times like why don't they just
get down to the basics here
and honestly if they do the two
like right now those are the only two available
if they stick to their guns and only offer those
two it might actually be a really good deal
because if you want the big boy
then you got to step up if not then okay
you got the little one that's fine
you can do that if that's what you want to do
um
and I'm sure they'll pull that on both of that too
the the base one doesn't sell very well
they might just
nix that thing and be like hey you want one of these
things you got to get the big dog that's it
and end of story um but we'll see
it's just
that's a strong number but like you said
the the comparable one
to it is the combustion engine
is on par with the price
for the basis it's not for the basis it's like
double because the basis I saw something
for like 88 yeah I don't know if that was
you I have to really look at it but it was still
still a lot less
how do you think this thing is going to do
you think this thing is going to you think this thing
is going to be accepted by a lot of folks
I think if we're excited about it
we don't get excited about EVs very often I think
that that'll get other people in the
in the mix like you said it does look a lot more
aggressive than I would expect it
expected to look and then
the more you look at it the more and I let me use
it so I think I'll I think a whole new design
team is
isn't on this one versus yeah
on the mcconn even though it's still now has
a symmetry in that language
between the mcconn and the taikin
mm-hmm yeah I mean
it's
I think they did a really
good job just with all of the
like they did enough
new stuff but not too gimmicky
stuff like where it's kind of like well that
shit's just gonna come break that's stupid
you know like everything they kind of did
there's justification before like
they just didn't do party tricks just to do
party tricks like that's not Porsche so I'm
glad they stayed within their
own belief system of when
they develop this thing where they're kind of like no
we're not doing that that's too wonky but they
but they did a lot of
like cool things in a couple industry first
which
generally speaking
when you're first a market with stuff like that
that usually equals success
like with some stuff you know where people are like oh
well Porsche oh you're caught oh
they're doing this now oh now they're
doing this now like they're probably
worried about that I mean you have to be
knowing you're not coming in this is not your
first electric car
her vehicle and it's
many's you know
iteration on on a SUV
or a truck already so they gotta
be figuring that out to go yeah
can we do it can they do anything different
I guess that's the challenging exercise
when you go with a whiteboard all right
can anything be done
then how long is it gonna take us to
take new yeah how do we how to
and also like battle test it right so it
doesn't yeah can we make a prototype
of course we can but how is it gonna
be functional like is it gonna last right
we didn't see them go one rally so they're like
they did at the transit barrier a while back but you know
EV rally yeah
no I think they've
I think they knocked this one out of the park like I said
even design wise it doesn't look weird it looks
it looks appropriate
and not even just appropriate it looks
like pretty aggressive I feel like it
doesn't look Bodie it doesn't look
strange
it doesn't look like oh wow that's
kind of oh that's that's the new
EV I almost feel like
if you didn't know any better like
this could hide in like plain sight
as it's an EV where like
some other things were like people know
obviously Tesla's been around for a long time but
even where people will see another like
or like a Rivian or something like that
like they're like yeah that's definitely an EV
you know like that architecture where you can
kind of just get that idea
I feel like not so much with this
yeah it looks very much
like you said it's a very good blend of
what they do EV
design wise and what they do combustion wise
yeah and what they did and
and it's
makes sense from a wind tunnel standpoint
if you notice pretty much every EV on the market
their front fascia
all of them it doesn't matter which one you pick it's
pretty flat yeah it's all closed off
like yeah and it's for aerodynamic
purposes Porsche is like
the only one on the market it actually has
like a grill it's
towards the bottom still but it's
there's a that's where those slats are
like the GTS one and where they close
and they open and they and they move
air around or they funnel
fresh air in they're
one of the few on the market that did that
and they didn't have to do it but they did
it because they wanted to
be a little different like they wanted their car to
not they wanted it to look like
a car not like an electric toy
essentially
and I think a lot of those EVs
they have that design cue you look at if you're
front facing them or you see one coming the opposite way
on the road you can almost tell it's an EV just because
there's no grill it's all flat
everything's flat paneled
either painted or you know
ABS plastic whatever it doesn't matter
who the brand is like it's all covered up
like it's just nothing
yeah and it's just kind of like all right
you know I know what that is
but
yeah I think it's going to do well so
surprising
I think this is the first time I've talked
about anything positive about EV
stuff from
an automaker in a very long time I think when the
initial kind I mean the
Taycan came out I mean it does
it's a good looking car it's striking
we've driven it many times it's very powerful
but again
it added some bugaboos it was
but it was a cool car
it looked cool
but without it we couldn't have this current car
yeah so
I'm glad they did a good job with this
they didn't really have a choice
because they couldn't have put out a dud
they couldn't
they're on the ropes already so they just couldn't do that
they've already lost enough money
it's like oh god
I'm sure there was
probably stuff that's changed
on that car in the last year
significantly
that we don't know that's all
in-house stuff
and they're like well maybe
we should
yeah
so moving on
this isn't
not deliberately bringing this back up
but this is an older story we talked
about this a few years ago
for the listeners
that have been long time listeners on the show
you might remember some of that this is
a follow up to a story
from like two or three years ago now
so
remember when Porsche was kind of
going around with
I wouldn't say older dealerships
but trying to
turn dealerships that were already pre-existing
that maybe had a blended house
where they're selling Lambo, Ferrari
and Porsche all in that
so they were going to these places and saying
hey you need to build a stand alone
and if you
don't do that there will be consequences
meaning like you'll get less cars
you'll get this so
Porsche was calling an exclusive store
so you needed to build an exclusive store
and with that
that was the dealership
having to spend its own money to do that
it was just Porsche saying as a brand
if you want to sell our product
this is what we require from you
and these facilities cost two 300 million dollars
they're not some
oh
they'll buy some shipping containers
and make it happen
they're like here you go
this is what you wanted
so that's the back story
on where I'm going with this
so you may have heard of them
you may not have heard of them
the collection
we've been there several times
they host awesome cars and coffee
we like that facility
it's a big facility
it's been around for a while
since the CGT's been around
several levels
there was a 90 team
where they're last
they've been around for a while
they're in Miami they're well known
they sell a lot of cars
Porsche was trying to strong arm them
they're like hey you need to separate Porsche
from the rest of what you got going on here
and go build a facility
I think they came to
from what I understand from
the insiders in Miami
they thought they were going to build one
but Porsche didn't like the area they wanted to build it
and the fact that the collection
was the one that was going to spend the money to build it
it got into one of those kind of things
it's like hey we know our area
but Porsche was telling them to build
pretty much like 40 miles
outside of where they were at
and they're kind of like
our customers aren't even going to come out there
this doesn't make any sense
and they're like well this is where we want you to build it
we're not building it there
we're building a $300 million facility
and you telling us where we have to build it
like that's not going to happen
so they just didn't
so then
I guess for a lack of a better terms
Porsche kind of put them on the naughty list
and just slowly stopped
giving them allocations
and cars to sell
and all this other stuff
it's a long story
now we're at
in trial like area
this thing's about to go to trial in Miami
for $300 million
because of revenue loss
and basically
now they can't provide
Porsches
to customers like new cars
that customers used to go to them for
basically so
Porsche in a sense
I mean this is from what I understand
I mean this is all
gathered information
I haven't spoken to either party
but once suing them
like you can kind of connect the dots
they kind of choke that side of their business
out where they're not providing
enough inventory
for them to sustain a Porsche business
essentially
like I told them they were going to do that so
well I don't think they were stupid enough
to put it on paper
I think it was just one of those things where
it just kind of happened
where they're just kind of like
where the best way I could say it is
to control that meaning like you were
Porsche and they didn't do it
you probably just said well okay
well this is the requirement
that we're
requiring not just you
but other facilities are having to do this as well
and they're all following suit
so
the fact that you don't want to follow suit
is I will take that as your resignation
and you don't want
to sell Porsches anymore
that's exactly what it seems like
I say all that that's just how
those silent conversations probably
went based off of action so like
they're saying like oh since you didn't act
this is how we're going to act
now
the legalities of that I don't know
like obviously I'm not in the dealership network
I don't know all that stuff
I would assume that they couldn't
just cut the water supply
to them
even slowly
I think there's still
an obligation if they're
a Porsche dealership
I mean you're obligated to
funnel cars through them
yeah I don't know what you do
now I don't know what the
requirement is I don't know if you
let's just use a number for example
let's just say a thousand cars like a month
or whatever they're moving
that's a lot but let's just use that
and now they're moving a hundred cars
they're technically I guess
Porsche's legal team will be like
well we didn't stop sending you cars
we just send you less cars
we didn't send you the ones you probably wanted
exactly so they're just making life
absolutely difficult for them clearly
I mean if this thing's going to trial
obviously somebody's going to hear this thing
whether or not
it's going to be successful
they're going to win who knows
but
the fact that they're having
that court in Miami
does favor the collection
yeah they are
playing on home field advantage there
but I mean that's where they're home based at
so I mean why would that
go to that wouldn't go to some international
court well is it well that also is
another question that's raised is it
Porsche North America or is it Porsche
AG no it would be
North America I think because
I think because that I mean
people I've known people who worked at
that Porsche North America
that their job is to allocate
two dealerships in North America so like
when the dealerships call
they're talking to their North American contact
usually that representative
there's several of them they
work at the experience center in Atlanta
you know in an office
or wherever their corporate side is
where their other employees are at
this will be interesting how this plays out
because if
the collection ends up winning
here there's going to be a lot of
Sony dealerships well there's going to be a lot of
pissed-off dealerships that
spent the money that spent the money right
that did do and follow
suit so like this is a very big
like however this goes could be a very
big outcome on either side whether
it's for or against so this is
this is actually going to be
very very
interesting I wonder if it's
I mean
I kind of think that's in Porsche's favor
only because you're signing up
to do this voluntarily like be a dealer
and have the cars it would
be up to discretion on how they want you to
show them
yeah but I think there's still some
partnership right there there it's not
just one way or the other
and from what I understand
it seemed like
the collection tried to work
with them I don't know if that's
here say but that's what I understand
and if they have documentation approving
that like that's all pretty substantial
stuff to say like hey these
guys know the geographic area and they said
that that's not areas not going to work
you want them to spend X amount of millions
of dollars to build a facility
they're trying to navigate you and tell you that
this they didn't say they didn't want to do
it they just said they didn't want to do it there
they wanted to do it here and you guys wouldn't
let them do that there so then that's
why they didn't spend the money to do it like if
I if they're a civil
like in a civil case there isn't like a jury
and stuff like that so if a judge
oversees that and looks at all of those facts
it's like well they were trying to work with you guys
meaning like the collection
yeah
if Porsche comes in there and is like
well this is the way it is and it's like
we don't know what all the detailed documents
are so I'm just speculating at this point
but either way if this
goes in favor
it's one way or another
they're not going to be
selling Porsches anymore let's just put it
that way yeah because
the fact that
they probably made a
a business decision to say hey
we need to recoup some of this funds because
we lost a lot of money because now we no
longer can sell this brand
however we're just not going to go quietly into the night
like we're going to get what we're going to get back
from this and then we'll we'll double down
on the other brands that are still working with us which is
unfortunate um
I feel like the other brands are more of a Miami brand anyways
yeah but I mean
there are powerhouse down there though meaning like
they saw a lot of cars and to and to lose
like
let's be real a lot of people were buying
a lot of Porsches out of there so there was
a lot of Porsches coming in and Porsches going
out of there um
and they had great inventory
and
it's just kind of a shame
because if you think about some of the other
brands that they have um
those other car manufacturers
don't produce up the same level
that Porsche was producing at meaning like
the quantity meaning
okay yeah you're only going to have so many
Lambos you're only going to have so many
Ferraris in there like you know
Porsche at one point you know was selling
all different types of SUVs even though
they were an exotic dealer like there were people still
that were 918 buyers that were still going
there to buy their Cayans still going there
to buy their Panameras and
or whatever um and to take
that away from them um
that's a significant amount of your business because
if you think about it like that's probably there
was a heavy part of their
their inventory that moved probably the quickest
yeah because I mean
the least being less expensive
on that yeah that makes
well just more of it too right in a sense like
where
Thambo doesn't make an SUV
Ferrari just started making one
like it
what people don't want a Maserati
you're going to nervous but how often
why wouldn't you just get a guy
selling
30,000
irises every year
anyways I think it's
it's an interesting thing it was worth bringing up
because that is that trial is set to
to pop off um
hopefully it goes Porsche's way because
they don't really need anything else to go the opposite
my prediction on this actually
this is going to be settled outside
a court with a non disclosed
so nobody
no one can talk about it
will exchange hands and we will not
know the fee
but let's just put it that way because I don't think
they want anybody else to know what's going
on I think that I think that's what they're going to do
I think they'll
they'll be a settlement probably not for
what they wanted but that somewhere in between
um good for the lawyers in this case
and
it'll probably go and do
you know they'll probably do pre-trial stuff
and then and then maybe an offer will come
and then everybody will sign in DA's and
this thing will go away
and
the collection will
ascertain some amount of money that they
agreed to and unfortunately
long-term they
I would imagine they're probably not going to be
doing deals if they are
you know
if they get
I would assume this is like
with all the table
but you never know like Porsche's in
kind of on the ropes they need to sell cars right
so like maybe they'll say hey
we'll meet you halfway
or maybe they'll do like a side deal
and say hey
we'll pay for and again
everybody sign in DA's we'll say hey we'll pay
for half the facility
we still need you to build the facility so
optics of this thing looks like
hey we won
but maybe they didn't win because they're going to pay for
the collection to have this facility
and
that way there's not so much of an investment
from
I guess the collection in a standpoint or
with a smart thing what they should do is say
hey we're just going to build this thing
for you we're not going to give you 300 million
we're going to build you this facility and you
could sell cars out of that place and by the way
you're going to sell this many EVs
but but then that's almost like
taking money from the mafia because once you do
that they own you because then it's like
dude that's not your dealership that's
our dealership and we'll take
it from you anytime we want remember those allocations
and they go yeah but that's what I'm saying is
then you got to play nice and then you got to do
whatever you want because that is not your dealership
anymore so there's there's it's a whole
sticky thing we can go down
expensive things
on to the next topic all right so I thought
this was a fun exercise
not that anybody listening
and I'm not trying to undermine anybody's
money situation so I shouldn't say
anyone but let's most sensible
people I should say yeah even
if you have the funding for this and
I know some people do but they're not
I guess financially
loose
enough to do things like this
and neither am I even if I did have the funding for this
I would be responsible
and think about
and then I'm going to caveat this with
these are all 9-11's
okay and there's nothing wrong with a 9-11
but it's still a 9-11
and what I mean by that is
not that I don't think that's a special car
but I even being
a Porsche enthusiast it's still
a 9-11 like it's not
it's not a in my opinion
no matter it's the GT2 RS
or the like they only made three of them or
whatever it's still a 9-11
it is a special 9-11 but it's
not it's not like this
whole another it's not a CGT
it's not one of those it doesn't
exist in that realm it's not
its own platform it's it's
this huge family of 9-11's
and they all
have some of the same DNA
even if the motor is different even if
like a lot of this architecture is the same
right so like at the end of the day
evolution of it
at the end of the day a 997
GT3 RS 4.0 is a 997 chassis
I don't care what anyone says it is
a 9-11 R
is a 991 chassis
a 9-11 ST
is a 992 chassis it doesn't matter
yes it's been tweaked all the things are different
yes but it is that chassis
okay let's get into it
if you haven't figured out we're going to
talk about those three cars
so this sparked my
I guess I was looking through some
some recent sales because
Porsche STs are selling now
and have been for a little bit of time
but I didn't want to
bring this story up until there was enough
comps to like make a median price
on it so like there's been about 20
that have sold on
a very prominent auction
right from that data
so Porsche STs
arranging high side
the highest one have sold at
805, 805,000
cheapest one sold around
635
now all of these cars are pretty much
delivery miles minus
it's a wild swing for delivery miles
well minus like the low one
at 635 I say low
very loosely had
1300 miles on it
looking in
so
median price roughly like 700,000
ish let's give or take
obviously don't beat me up on the exact number
but alright so let's run through the
stats on each one of these
I'm going to tell you what they're running for on price
like basically what they are
and then we're going to discuss
why they are or they're not
special and which one of these we would have
or what we wouldn't have and what we would do with this money
essentially
so a lot of people
and I say a lot of people mainly the journalists
or when I say a lot of people
and the select few that
got to spend this kind of level
of money to buy these cars say
this
has been used for all three of these vehicles
so I'm not going to say it that many times
because it sounds ridiculous we just like this is the best
911 ever built
I'm sure everybody has heard that
before at least with all three of these
like the 4.0, the 911 R
ST everybody's like this is the best 911 ever
well one of them has to be the best
they all can't be the best right
it doesn't work that way
who knows what the real answer is
but they're all 911s
so I don't know if
if any of them are the best to be honest
with you
so the stats on the
ST let's go through that so
the 911 ST
where am I at here
okay so stats curb weight on is 3,000 pounds
it's got 525 horsepower
465 foot pounds of torque
weight
sorry I'm sorry
weight on that one is 3,056 pounds
so it's 56 pounds
heavier than
its predecessors
9,000 RPM
red line
now it's the most powerful
of the three of these from a horsepower
and torque standpoint
also heard the gearing is lower on this
so it feels even more powerful as well
now
units produced this is interesting
this is enough to pay
1,963 units
for ST
to put that in perspective I'll go through the other
units as well
it's more than
combined of the other two
if you combine the other two
it's more than that
so
is it that special
in the world of
specialness like I know
I'm talking from an old school standpoint
based on a unit number than no
I mean sub
100 let's be real is like
special
and there's very few cars that are made that way
anymore
1900 is a lot that's like GT3
numbers essentially
so 911R was
991 units produced
if you didn't know that at the time that was
they were playing
that card
and the RS40 only
600 units ever made
so the lowest of them all
again both of those combined
are still less than the ST
even though it's going
for selling for more
than all the other two
which is kind of wow
so let's go to the three RS40
that's a 997 chassis as mentioned
before
comps on this are kind of hard because some
of these trade hands and not in public
situations some of the
the one that I found most recently
sold in the spring at
750,000
yeah
I know some of them range because there's a couple
of them that are PTS that can range
all the way up above a million and I know
I've heard stories of people paying that
for like an RS orange one for over a
million
this is the only one of this
range though that has a Metzger
platform based engine
some people care about that
some people don't
but that is a unique trait to this
specific vehicle
and it is the lowest production of all
the other vehicles as well
and essentially
if you look
at it the other two also
have had
old school
first runs meaning
like there was a 911R from back in the day
there also was a 911 ST program
granted there was only still
same amount as they are like 12 or 15 of them
but it did exist in the air
cooled at one point
the 3RS40 is its own animal
there was nothing else ahead of it
nothing else after it essentially
so manual transmission
on all of these if you're not aware
and now this car
weighs 2,999
pounds
so
a few pounds lighter not like crazy
not like crazy amount
300 and 500 horsepower
339 foot pounds of torque
9,000 RPM
stout car
right it has a look
it has
if you've seen a 997
3.8 RS before
it looks a lot like
one of those
but it isn't
based off of price and
the 4.0 motor and all the things
that it provides
now let's get into the 911R
and if you
weren't paying attention as well these are all 4 liter cars
that's another thing
they all have in common right
they're all manuals they're all 4 liters
but the other two
the 911R and the ST or DFI engine
that cars direct fuel injection engines
so 911R
this is actually
basically
I would say
it's not even fair to say this
I would say maybe
the cheapest car of this bunch
but it's still
it's still pricey they're ranging from like
500 to like 600
depending on mileage
I think they're pretty cool
I think they're pretty badass
curb weight on them
2,999 pounds
almost identical to the 3 RS 4.0
6 speed manual
horsepower and torque is identical
500, 339
but
of all the ones in the bunch the other 2 or 9,000
RPMs this one is redlining
at only at 8,600
yeah
no it's so cool I mean yeah but it is
I think it's unique that
okay this is the one it wasn't
you know all the way
cranked up to 9,000
which is unique because
the touring
of the 991 bunch came out
and then that went to 9,000
so I think there are a lot of people that are pissed about that
yeah
but anyways so
now you have all that data you have all this
why do I bring all this up because like I said
the STs are selling
I wouldn't say more just a little bit more
data behind them
remember the 911Rs
before they were
pre-touring
no manual
these
were going second hand for huge money
like pretty much what these STs are going for
like 800
all day long
people lost their ass
like
some people made a lot of money because
they got in at MSRP on them
because they were part of that 9,18 program
and they got in at MSRP on these
and those people
that flipped those cars made 4 or 500,000
dollars do you see the one that Ryan
Friedman's got right now the yellow stripes
maybe the only one that said
yellow stripes that's cool
yeah I mean I know they did some funky
stuff with this and again under a thousand
units I would say that this one
in the 4.0 obviously have
share some qualities of like lower production
of these
three
which one would you like to have
4.0 here's my reason
because the ST and
the 9,11R
all had like an iteration
I feel like they got stuff
like once the .2 GT3 came out
the 992 then it got the same gearing
it got this they learned
from that car but then now kind of
to me it doesn't stick out
the special thing same thing
for the
the 9,11R is one that
GT3 came out they did the same thing
they got a manual all of a sudden
like it they kind of iterated on that
where they didn't do that with the 4.0
was like the 4.0 and that was it
and it being 4.0 being so
unexpected nobody
asked for it from that I'm aware
and just here you go
we're making this
to a level that they had
never done before with
all the lightweight goodies outside of just
the regular streetcar
but I still think
I mean all these cars
should be at the high range
if I mean the CGT is going to be in the millions
these things being
limited in our Porsche world
I still say 4.0
once got the right recipe
if nothing followed it
there's no trickle down parts from the next generation
smallest
units made
Metzger motor
all those things all the norms
I figured you'd pick that one
I'm more mad too
I figured you'd pick that
where do you go with 911R
I would pick the 911R
I've always kind of been in love with that car
now if I'm being
if I have to pick one of these I'm picking that
if I can go outside of this
with that money I absolutely would
I wouldn't be a buyer on either
any of these cars at that price point
I don't think they're worth that
and I know I'm probably throwing shade
and a lot of people are going to get pissed
but honestly like
I'm more enthusiast
don't get me wrong
we're Porsche nuts
but we also come from other stuff
we have eyes, we have ears, we have brains
there's money
there's money in other areas
maybe I don't know
the point is I would explore
I'm not saying I have a backup
I would take this money and do this
I'm trying to figure out what's the backup plan
maybe a Diablo
I don't know
Diablo
I know it's not the same drive quality
I know that none of these cars
in my personal opinion are
a $700,000 experience
or a $500,000
none of them, it doesn't matter
is it
is it special just because it just has
only a few units in it
I don't know the answer to that
but for
maybe at some point in my life
where I surpass
a position where I have enough money
to start collecting and not just driving
maybe I'll have some driver cars
and then I'll have some cars I do collect
I'm not in that position in my life
so maybe that's why this
I can't see through the light on this one
for me
that doesn't compute for me
for those
and I think at my core
I still think if I had millions
and millions of dollars
if I had $650,000
I would spend on a car
I don't think it would be on a 911
as much as that
probably people are
screaming in their cars or whatever
they're like what are you crazy
I would kill for an ST
cool man go for it
and I'm sure anybody will take your money
for it
people are
I just don't
I don't know man
and I think the ST is a great car
I haven't driven any of these three cars
so I can't
I'm going based off of the fortunate ones
that have driven them
so that means we need to review these
so if you got one of these
we'll haul at your boy
and I know I'm probably never going to get in one of these
and that's not that big of a deal
but I'm just going based off of stats alone
on this ST
I'm sure it is an amazing car
and it does all the things
and it's great and all of that great stuff
I just
I don't know man
I think I would just go
I would go chasing probably past stuff
if I did do Porsche stuff
I maybe go get like a flat
or you know like a
I mean yeah that's true
there's a lot of air cooled stuff
I just think I would go vintage
as opposed to like more modern
I would just go further back
I think maybe a special
special 930 color
special wishes or something
with like crazy funky interior
a real some creamer out there
yeah like some
no-joke flat nose car
or chased down a roof turbo
like air cooled car
I don't know I just feel that money could be better allocated
on something else
that I feel is more special
than though all of those
something like
like a deep guide that you're like okay
that's what that is
something wild you know like
I'm sure you've heard this
and I'm not even talking about
like a Gumballa avalanche
I know it's a disgusting looking car
but it's crazy
or go get a DP Cramer car
like Danny could source
just something like
legit old school I just think
I kind of want that older
vibe than a newer
modern high dollar car
where it's kind of like
you know man
because I think there's more effort
in chasing down something more vintage
I don't know
than there is like where you can go to
you just drop the name there's a million of guys
like that out there that are boutique dealers
where you go to them and say hey this is what I'm looking for
and they're like hey you're great
hey merit partners got
got six four O's lined up for you
which one you want you want a black one a silver one
like I just feel like that's like
I don't know if you go to
one of those same dealers and go hey I'm looking
for a
I don't know a Baltic blue
slant nose DP Cramer
with lollipop seats
and they're like alright well that's going to take about 10 years to find
but we'll find it you know like something like that
I don't know it's
super specific again or I go outside
of Porsche I mean
not to throw shade but I just
and again I didn't bring this up to
I think they're all three of these are amazing cars
but the one I would pick would be the 9-11R
I think I just think I like
the subtlety of it
and if I could
if I could get the one I wanted
I would get the one
there's a few of them out there that have
came from factory without
the stripes on them
that's what you get
and then he's like oh he's got a touring
and then you see the back and you're like oh shit that's an R
like
that stuff well like that's kind of gangster
that and the
most mind-numbing loud exhaust
and then carps
because those cars again
when you open them up they sound just like the R's
R cars
that's something
the one thing I did like about
those cars from factory 2 is that
they had that Houndstooth
interior like the 9-11Rs did
and I thought that was kind of a unique touch
they had those
the dials also like
old school like long hood dials
green
I'm a sucker for like those little things
like that the vintage
again where it's playing on that vintage
just those vibes
you know I want to
back to the future right like okay this is
a modern version of something that's kind of old
you know those newer ones are
they're newer they're awesome they're probably better but it's fine
I don't know
I just thought it was an interesting exercise
especially
price point wise
not too far off
obviously the ST is the new new
so it's going to bring more money
it would be interesting to see
because there's so many more of them
if that price point remains that high
I think, I don't think it does
I think we're seeing the ST
like you said where the 9-11R was
and I think as time goes on
I think it will probably drop off
from now because it's one
it's an entertainment for a lot of people
that's probably driving some of the price initially
now that they're in the market
while I was doing the search
and this is just a
little easter egg that I found
not on purpose
I saw a
991.2 touring
and
I think it was
in Riviera blue so it was pts
I think like under 2000 miles
it sold for 425
okay
are you kidding me
well remember they didn't make that many
tourings
dude another 100 grand
you can go bag a R
what are you doing
even if it's pts it doesn't matter
as we say all the time
somebody with no friends
they just got caught up in that
auction and they had to have it
they were just like nope I won't lose
dude you're married to that thing for the rest of your life
I just don't
and they do
those tourings do hold more
weight like long term
they could have been a blue fan
they might have been a fan of stripes
I don't know
it's ridiculous as it sounds
what's another 100 grand at 425
it's just another 100 grand
you would have been in our territory
you would have got an R
with a little bit more miles on it
but none of them have tons of miles
it's not like 10,000 miles
you're not getting a 65,000 mile 9-11 R
it's got like 10,000 miles
it doesn't have 2,000 miles
you got one for 550
I don't know
I get it
they're cool
that's a lot of money
for a 9-11
I keep saying that because I want to emphasize that
it's a 9-11
I love them and I love what we do with them
but they're not
800, 900,
$1,000,000 cars
like
they're just not that special
I feel like
they're special but they're not
they've just not been recognized for a long time
and then it started to happen
more of a super car-esque type thing
well it's supply and demand
it's the
people chasing them
it's all of that stuff
it's all the people that go
chasing contests at that point
where people
these are all
$300,000, $400,000
cars tops
and
since they're all double that
that doesn't make them worth that
that just makes what their market value is
that's just what people are paying for
I know what I got
I know what it's worth
it's not worth that
there's a lot of people that won't buy them
sitting around that are forever
you know
POC right
or POD, price on demand
I'll just run the ad till
I die
and someone will buy it someday
and one last closing thing before
we're out
do you think
new young money is going to be interested
in these cars because they're the modern ones
and like do you think that they won't
they won't go chase that stuff
I mentioned meaning like the DPs
and the flat noses and all of that stuff
because that's just way before them
they don't
they don't have any nostalgia blend
to that where they can see themselves driving
that they're like man that was
I was born in 1995 dude
that was so long ago
I have no idea what the 80s really
2005 is still 20 years old
I think
something to reference to be like
just like music and stuff if you don't know it exists
I'll look for it
as far as like vintage and listening stuff
so I think that's
they see the stuff that we see
they see now and that's getting older
as they're getting older
maybe some of them have a vintage
how look and want to go
go deep in the history and then look back
I think it has to be
the people that are in their lives
like if the people in their lives
meaning like father figures or uncles
or even older brothers or whatever
or even friends or friends, dads
if they're not putting them on the benches stuff
I think they're just all on this new stuff
and I think they'll definitely be a market
for these cars when these kids
turn 45 years old
and these will become
oh I remember when that came out
like that was like my halo car
I want to go get ST now that I'm
you know sold my IPO
and I've got a hundred million dollars now
and I'm going to go
buy an ST from another 1.5
not only 1.5 but they were overpriced
back in the day
that old Kramaja doesn't know shit
like
that didn't even hit
the elevator yet
it's like okay man have fun
go spend two million on a 911 brother
have fun with that
yeah
CGT, get a CGT
sounds good, just tap that Apple Pay
just do it
do you have anything else?
that's my Cayenne EV
yeah right
so we'll take a couple weeks off
oh hey for our American listeners
happy Thanksgiving because
we're going to be off next week
the rest of the world
as you were
we're just going to stream live
we're just going to eat turkey and pie
and do the fat American thing
that we always do and watch
American football
not food ball
but
yeah we'll be back in a few weeks
see ya
About this episode
A deep dive into Porsche's latest Cayenne electric, boasting 1193 horsepower, making it the most powerful road car from the brand. The hosts discuss its impressive specs, including a 0-60 time of 2.5 seconds and a quarter-mile run in the 9-second range. They also explore the innovative features like an active spoiler and advanced charging technology. The episode transitions into a discussion about the value of iconic 911 models, comparing the 911 ST, 911 R, and 3RS 4.0, debating which is the most special and worth the investment. The conversation touches on Porsche's evolving market strategy and the future of electric vehicles.
Original notes
In this episode, we're giving thanks to our people and diving into some major Porsche news that's shaking up the community. We kick things off with the all-new electric Cayenne—dropping November 20th with numbers that'll make your jaw drop. The top-tier Turbo model pumps out 1,193 hp with nearly the same torque figure, launching 0-60 in 2.3 seconds and crushing the quarter mile in 9 seconds. Starting at $160k, it features active aero in the front bumper, a rear roof spoiler that doubles as an air brake, active rear bumper fins, and Porsche's first curved center screen. Is this the EV that finally makes sense for Porsche purists, or just another heavy SUV with big numbers?
Then we revisit a story long-time listeners might remember—the Porsche vs. The Collection lawsuit in Miami. Porsche wanted The Collection to build an exclusive dealership on their own dime, but Miami real estate being what it is, The Collection passed. Porsche allegedly responded by restricting allocations, putting them in what The Collection calls a "death spiral." Now they're suing Porsche for $300 million, and it's heading to trial in Miami. This got ugly fast—what does this say about how Porsche handles dealer relationships?
We also tackle the 911 S/T pricing saga—these are trading between $635k and $805k with a median around $700k. Owners and journalists are calling it "the best modern 911 ever built." But haven't we heard that before? The GT3 RS 4.0, the 911 R—each generation seems to claim that crown. We break down the specs: the RS 4.0 with its legendary Mezger engine (500 hp, 9,000 rpm, 2,999 lbs), the 911 R (500 hp, 8,600 rpm, 3,000 lbs), and the S/T (525 hp, 9,000 rpm, 3,056 lbs). With only 600 RS 4.0s, 991 Rs, and 1,963 S/Ts produced, can they all hold that title? Let's discuss what truly makes a 911 "the best ever."
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