#141 - Fuel Refinery Fire & Have we passed the golden age of 4WDing?
About this episode
Fuel prices and supply anxiety take center stage after a major fire at Viva Energy’s Geelong refinery, with hosts debating how much it could affect petrol vs diesel and calling out perceived profiteering. The conversation then shifts to the growing 4WD lineup and whether the “golden age” of affordable Land Cruisers is gone, plus how too many choices can overwhelm buyers. Ronnie’s Tough Dog tip argues for enjoying what you already have instead of chasing mods. The show also covers new Chinese SUV competition, a wild Shark Bay Troopy bogging story, and community “wave” etiquette.
Have we passed the golden age of 4WDing? With new 4WDs becoming increasingly expensive, is a quality rig now out of reach for the average Australian? Ronny and Duggo also dig into the news that one of Australia's only two fuel refineries was partly destroyed by fire last night.
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4WDing
"Episode: #141 - Fuel Refinery Fire & Have we passed the golden age of 4WDing? Published: 2026-04-16T18:00:00Z"
It means driving a four-wheel-drive vehicle off-road. People do it on dirt, mud, sand, and rocky tracks.
4WDing is off-road driving in a four-wheel-drive vehicle, usually on trails, sand, mud, rocks, or other low-traction terrain. It often involves recovery gear, tire pressure changes, and careful vehicle control.
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This part is just advertisements for other podcasts. It’s not the main conversation of the episode.
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Backchats Studio
"[94.9s] All right, in the full drive podcast, now my time, now we are back recording in the [98.7s] Backchats Studio. It's built by Granted, who we got to drive around in the beautiful highlights."
They’re saying they’re back in their studio to record the show. It’s just where the episode is being made.
This is the recording location where the hosts are back in the studio. It functions as a segment-setting detail rather than a technical automotive term.
power
"[110.7s] bad because I sort of ragged the power in it a bit early. You did. But I said it looked [115.0s] mint and it drove really nice when I gave it a bit of a boot on the second drive. Did [120.5s] you tell him about the power? Yeah, I told him early. I was a little bit worried that [124.3s] it was a bit laggy, but then it came good."
They’re talking about how strong the vehicle feels when it speeds up. At first it seemed a bit slow, but later it felt better.
In automotive discussion, power usually refers to engine output and how strongly the vehicle accelerates. Here the hosts are talking about whether the vehicle felt weak or sluggish at first, then improved once they drove it harder.
laggy
"[120.5s] you tell him about the power? Yeah, I told him early. I was a little bit worried that [124.3s] it was a bit laggy, but then it came good. But anyway, we can cover that in a little [129.2s] bit. Music by Southern Ruben. Let it ride. Seeing it's in socials4drivepodcast.com.au."
They mean the vehicle didn’t respond right away when they pressed the pedal. It felt a bit slow at first, then got better.
Laggy here means the vehicle was slow to respond, likely with delayed throttle response or turbo lag. The hosts are describing a car that initially felt hesitant before it started pulling better.
Tough Dog
""Get around our sponsors, Tile Power, Tough Dog. Looking forward to a Tough Dog tip of the week from a quality person, a quality friend. Quality bloke. Quality bloke in. Ah, darling, if he has one for us.""
Tough Dog is a brand that makes off-road parts for 4WDs and trucks. People use their gear to improve ride quality and help vehicles handle rough tracks.
Tough Dog is an Australian 4WD suspension and accessory company. In off-road circles, they’re known for shocks, springs, steering dampers, and lift kits.
Fuel refinery fire
"Can we? Just quickly, what do you think? Give me your top three guesses on what you think this breaking news is. Breaking news. And it's the four-wheel drive world is connected. Well, I've been trying. I've been eavesdropping on you both."
They’re talking about a fire at a place that makes fuel for cars. The discussion is about what happened, where it happened, and whether it could affect drivers.
This segment is about a fire at an oil refinery and how it could affect fuel supply. The hosts are reacting to breaking news and discussing the scale, location, and likely impact of the incident.
Viva Energy
"This is this morning. Broke out at the Viva Energy Oil Refinery in Geelong last night. So 11 p.m. over in Victorian time, the fire started and yeah, still going."
This is the company that runs the refinery where the fire happened. They’re the ones responsible for that site.
Viva Energy is the company operating the Geelong oil refinery mentioned in the segment. It’s relevant because the fire occurred at one of its facilities.
oil fire
"An oil fire. Yep. Oh, for fuck's sake. So it started in like the in the motor gasoline section, a big leak of liquid hydrocarbons and gases and then all just exploded from there. It's called equipment and pop value."
This is a fire caused by oil or fuel. It’s harder to put out than a normal fire because the burning liquid can spread.
An oil fire is a fire involving petroleum-based liquids, which are difficult to extinguish with water. The hosts are discussing the seriousness of the refinery incident.
motor gasoline
"So basically an unprecedented in air quotes fire. This is this morning. Broke out at the Viva Energy Oil Refinery in Geelong last night. So 11 p.m. over in Victorian time, the fire started and yeah, still going."
This is the fuel that most regular cars run on. They’re saying the fire started in the part of the refinery that handles that fuel.
Motor gasoline is the refined fuel used in spark-ignition engines, essentially petrol/gasoline for cars. The hosts mention it because the fire started in that part of the refinery.
liquid hydrocarbons
"So it started in like the in the motor gasoline section, a big leak of liquid hydrocarbons and gases and then all just exploded from there. It's called equipment and pop value."
These are oil-based liquids that can be turned into fuel. They burn easily, so they’re a big deal in a refinery fire.
Liquid hydrocarbons are fuel-like chemical compounds derived from petroleum. They’re part of the refinery process and are highly flammable, which is why they’re relevant in a refinery fire discussion.
contained
"Well, they did. They've said that it's been contained to a 30 by 30 area meter area, which is pretty massive. And they're expecting it to take another four to five hours to fully bring under control."
When a fire is contained, it means firefighters have stopped it from spreading. It may still be burning, but it’s under control.
In fire reporting, contained means the fire has been limited to a specific area and is no longer spreading freely. The hosts mention containment to gauge how serious and ongoing the incident is.
diesel
""It's not impacted the diesel or jet fuel areas directly, but there was a there's been a ramping down of other production units in the area for safety reasons." "If you're driving a petrol engine, now you know what it feels like driving a diesel.""
Diesel is another kind of fuel, usually used by trucks, some SUVs, and work vehicles. The hosts are talking about how its supply was less affected than petrol.
Diesel is a type of fuel used in diesel engines, which work differently from gasoline engines. Here it matters because the refinery fire was said not to directly impact diesel production as much as petrol production.
jet fuel
""It's not impacted the diesel or jet fuel areas directly, but there was a there's been a ramping down of other production units in the area for safety reasons." "petrol production is the most impacted one out of this fire diesel and jet fuel still continuing on""
Jet fuel is the special fuel airplanes use. The refinery fire could have affected it, but the hosts say it wasn’t hit directly.
Jet fuel is the refined fuel used in aircraft turbines. It’s mentioned here as one of the refinery outputs that was reportedly not directly impacted by the fire.
oil refinery
""the timing of it is unreal for us to lose a part of a refinery like that." "one of the two oil refineries that we've got in Australia""
An oil refinery is a factory that turns crude oil into the fuels cars and planes use. If it has problems, fuel can become harder to get and more expensive.
An oil refinery processes crude oil into usable fuels like petrol, diesel, and jet fuel. The discussion centers on how losing part of a refinery can affect supply and pricing across a region.
petrol
""So that 50% of Victorians fuel comes from this refinery and 10% of Australia's total fuel comes from this refinery. So with that, you said petrol. Petrol. Yeah, half of Victoria get their petrol from the Geelong oil refinery.""
Petrol is what many people in the U.S. call gas. It’s the fuel most regular cars use.
Petrol is the Australian term for gasoline, the fuel used by most spark-ignition engines. The hosts are contrasting petrol supply with diesel and jet fuel production at the refinery.
equipment failure
""I don't want to speculate at all. But what timing for equipment failure? Well, one of the two oil refineries that we've got in Australia...""
This means some machine broke or malfunctioned. In this conversation, they’re wondering if that might have caused the fire.
Equipment failure means a machine or system stopped working properly, which can cause shutdowns or disruptions. Here it’s being discussed as a possible cause of the refinery fire, though the speaker says they don’t want to speculate.
Fuel Watch
""So you can look it up on fuel watch. You can see the prices. If you go to Kananara, there is an independent guy who brings in fuel gets it from Singapore...""
It’s a website or service that shows fuel prices in different places. People use it to find the cheapest petrol or diesel nearby.
Fuel Watch is a price-monitoring service that lets people check local fuel prices. The hosts mention it as a way to compare prices after the refinery disruption.
fuel excise
"[542.1s] problem as a way to raise the price. Yeah. Yeah, we spoke about it, Jaden, [549.1s] where we thought that the because of the the tax was being cut by half that are the [555.8s] excise. Yeah, that we were going to see some. Yes, I still haven't seen anything. I haven't"
This is a tax on fuel. If the tax goes down, gas stations are supposed to be able to charge less.
Fuel excise is a tax added to petrol or diesel, and the hosts are discussing a cut to that tax. They’re debating whether lower excise should have already shown up as cheaper fuel at the pump.
BP
"[628.6s] cheaper because they're making so much money. So you might look at Burke and think, geez, [634.2s] they're like must just be hanging in there because their prices are so much lower than [637.8s] BP, Caltex, all the other ones. But the thing is, sometimes the owner parks at the Wangara [643.5s] one. There's a friggin Lamborghini. He's not doing, he's not doing bad for himself."
BP is a big gas station brand. They’re comparing its prices to cheaper stations.
BP is a major fuel retailer and oil company. Here it’s mentioned as one of the more expensive fuel station brands compared with a cheaper local station.
Caltex
"[628.6s] cheaper because they're making so much money. So you might look at Burke and think, geez, [634.2s] they're like must just be hanging in there because their prices are so much lower than [637.8s] BP, Caltex, all the other ones. But the thing is, sometimes the owner parks at the Wangara [643.5s] one. There's a friggin Lamborghini. He's not doing, he's not doing bad for himself."
Caltex is another gas station brand. They’re using it as a comparison for fuel prices.
Caltex is a fuel brand and service station chain. It’s mentioned alongside BP as a benchmark for higher-priced fuel stations.
servo
"[637.8s] BP, Caltex, all the other ones. But the thing is, sometimes the owner parks at the Wangara [643.5s] one. There's a friggin Lamborghini. He's not doing, he's not doing bad for himself. [649.0s] No. And, and if he's, if he's at that caliber level of earning money, why would you, [655.4s] why would you dilly-dally in a servo if it's not going to make you money? Right? So"
A servo is just an Australian word for a gas station. They’re talking about the person who owns one.
Servo is Australian slang for a service station or gas station. The hosts use it when talking about the business side of running a fuel stop.
Lamborghini
"[637.8s] BP, Caltex, all the other ones. But the thing is, sometimes the owner parks at the Wangara [643.5s] one. There's a friggin Lamborghini. He's not doing, he's not doing bad for himself. [649.0s] No. And, and if he's, if he's at that caliber level of earning money, why would you, [655.4s] why would you dilly-dally in a servo if it's not going to make you money? Right? So"
Lamborghini is a fancy sports car brand. They’re saying the station owner must be doing well if he drives one.
Lamborghini is mentioned as a status symbol when the hosts joke about a fuel station owner’s apparent wealth. No specific model is identified, so this is just the brand name.
panic buy
"It's, it's pretty important to only get what you need and not panic by and get more than, more than what you actually need. Yeah. Although the server will want you to panic by because then, then the supply goes down, they put the price up and, and the news would love you to do that too because they love, they love a good bad news story."
It means people buy extra fuel because they’re worried it’ll disappear. That can actually make the shortage worse for everyone.
Panic buying is when people rush to buy a product out of fear it will run out, which can make the shortage worse. The hosts are warning listeners not to overbuy fuel because it can strain supply further.
4WD owners and fuel supply
"It's kind of like, it's almost a blessing that it's the petrol side of the station that's gone up in flames and not the diesel side. Well, for us three. Yeah, for us three and full drive owners and, but I mean, it's, it's obviously not good at all."
They’re talking about how this fuel problem affects people who drive 4WDs. Diesel drivers may be especially concerned.
This is a short discussion about how the fuel disruption affects 4WD owners, especially those who rely on diesel. It ties the refinery fire directly to off-road and four-wheel-drive use.
maintenance
"And I wonder who's doing the maintenance on that. Like you feel for them a little bit because they are probably without a job this morning. Yeah, I wonder if it was a mistake"
This means regular care and repairs. They’re wondering if the refinery equipment was looked after properly before it failed.
Maintenance is the routine upkeep needed to keep equipment operating safely and reliably. Here it refers to the refinery equipment and whether poor maintenance may have contributed to the failure.
1950s facility
"[809.1s] we're just blaming on old age of the refinery. [812.5s] This is a 1950s facility. So yeah, I mean 1950s. It's well worth it. [1785.8s] but you're saving eight cents, it's a much bigger ratio, you know?"
They’re talking about an old refinery that was built in the 1950s. Older facilities often need more repairs and upgrades, which is why they’re saying it may be in trouble.
They’re describing the refinery as an old 1950s-era industrial facility, which helps explain why maintenance and reliability are becoming a concern. In context, the age of the plant is being used as the reason it may be having problems or needing an update.
GWM Haval
"[830.0s] radar. Jayden or is that a master on the radar? I think that's good for on the radar. The other thing [835.8s] was the GWM Haval. GWM Haval. So it's a new GWM are just releasing a new SUV in China that's meant [845.9s] to compete with the 300 series and the Y63 apparently. Not much. Not every week there's"
This is a new SUV from a Chinese car company called GWM. They’re saying it’s being built to compete with big popular SUVs.
GWM Haval refers to an SUV from Great Wall Motor’s Haval sub-brand or model line. The hosts are talking about it as a new Chinese SUV aimed at competing with established large off-roaders and family SUVs.
MG
"[856.6s] from China. They're just they're just really trying to compete with those Japanese vehicles. [862.4s] MG, are they Chinese? No, no, no. MG? No, that's MG's part of British. I'm pretty sure they're [872.2s] they're British. Well, I hadn't seen the because you know how the MG except they are now owned by"
MG is a car brand that started in Britain. The hosts are talking about how it’s now owned by a Chinese company.
MG is a historic British automotive brand that is now owned by SAIC, a Chinese company. The discussion is about where MG’s identity comes from and how it is now tied to Chinese ownership.
SAIC
"[862.4s] MG, are they Chinese? No, no, no. MG? No, that's MG's part of British. I'm pretty sure they're [872.2s] they're British. Well, I hadn't seen the because you know how the MG except they are now owned by [877.4s] SAIC the Chinese Motor Company. I don't know how to put it forward, isn't it now? Yeah."
SAIC is a big Chinese car company. They own MG now, which is why the brand is discussed as British in origin but Chinese-owned today.
SAIC is a major Chinese automotive manufacturer that owns MG. It’s relevant here because the hosts are clarifying that MG’s current corporate parent is Chinese even though the brand has British roots.
MG Ute
"[877.4s] SAIC the Chinese Motor Company. I don't know how to put it forward, isn't it now? Yeah. [882.6s] All right. I think well, I saw the MG Ute yesterday out the front of the [886.9s] car dealership. I hadn't seen one yet. MG Ute. Yeah. Yeah, okay. [893.9s] It's kind of like half. I haven't seen the MG Ute. What do you think? Oh, I mean, they"
This is a pickup truck from MG. They’re talking about how it looks and whether it seems like a real work truck or more of a stylish everyday vehicle.
The MG Ute is a pickup-style vehicle from MG, discussed here as a new sighting at a dealership. The hosts are reacting to its styling and positioning, suggesting it feels more like a lifestyle pickup than a true work truck.
BYD
"[900.2s] look comfortable. Yeah, it doesn't look like a workhorse in any. Yeah, you don't see too many [906.0s] MG's around. No, no. Like it looks like those modern more like more towards the BYD sort of [914.7s] BYDs are to be honest, they look like a fair bit of a tank if I'm lucky. I don't mind the [919.0s] look of those, but the shark. Yeah, I don't mind the look of the shark. It's huge. It's a pigeon"
BYD is a Chinese car company. They’re using it as a comparison for how the MG Ute and similar vehicles look.
BYD is a Chinese automaker known for EVs and increasingly mainstream vehicles. It’s mentioned as a styling and market comparison for the MG Ute and other newer Chinese vehicles.
Byd Shark 6
"[906.0s] MG's around. No, no. Like it looks like those modern more like more towards the BYD sort of [914.7s] BYDs are to be honest, they look like a fair bit of a tank if I'm lucky. I don't mind the [919.0s] look of those, but the shark. Yeah, I don't mind the look of the shark. It's huge. It's a pigeon [925.0s] in wolf clothing. That's what it is. But it's sort of more probably towards that, you know,"
This is a pickup from BYD. They’re saying it looks big and tough, but maybe not as rugged as it first appears.
The BYD Shark is a pickup truck from BYD, discussed here for its size and styling. The hosts are comparing its appearance to the MG Ute and describing it as a large, somewhat deceptive-looking truck.
pigeon in wolf clothing
"[914.7s] BYDs are to be honest, they look like a fair bit of a tank if I'm lucky. I don't mind the [919.0s] look of those, but the shark. Yeah, I don't mind the look of the shark. It's huge. It's a pigeon [925.0s] in wolf clothing. That's what it is. But it's sort of more probably towards that, you know, [933.0s] the future. The newer side of the new look. Yeah. The future city get around. Yeah. Yeah."
They’re joking that the truck looks tough, but might not really be as tough as it seems. It’s a way of saying the styling is a bit misleading.
This is a twist on the phrase “wolf in sheep’s clothing,” used here to suggest the vehicle looks tougher or more capable than it really is. The hosts are implying the truck’s appearance may overstate its actual utility or ruggedness.
Toyota Hilux
"It is. It's heading that way though, isn't it? Even the Hilux, the one that we drove around, had a similar look. Yeah, 90. Yeah. Now, just quickly on that, because we drove the grounded one around last week. Yeah. And the Hilux is a Hilux. It was comfy. It drove pretty well. But the interior is like the Prado."
The Toyota Hilux is a tough pickup truck that’s popular for work and off-road driving. They’re talking about a newer version and how adding accessories can make it look better.
The Toyota Hilux is a midsize pickup known for durability and strong off-road use. Here they’re discussing the N90-generation Hilux and its updated styling, interior, and how it changes with accessories like bars and tires.
honeycomb grill
"The front of the N90 Hilux is, I wasn't a big fan of, they've got that new like, almost like a honeycomb grill. Yeah, not the biggest fan either. But once you put a bar on them, they look pretty good."
This is the patterned front opening on a car. They’re talking about the new look on the Hilux’s nose.
A honeycomb grille is a front-end design with a repeating hexagonal mesh pattern. It’s mostly a styling choice, though it can also affect airflow and cooling.
bar
"But once you put a bar on them, they look pretty good. Yeah. Well, even with it, so this is the thing with a bit of, with some chunkier tyres, blacked out wheels, it just, I don't know what to do. And a little lift, like, yeah. A little lift, it just changed everything for me."
This is a metal guard fitted to the front of the vehicle. People add it to help protect the front end when driving off-road.
In this context, a bar means a front protection bar or bull bar fitted to the vehicle. It’s an accessory used for protection and sometimes for mounting lights or improving off-road practicality.
chunkier tyres
"Well, even with it, so this is the thing with a bit of, with some chunkier tyres, blacked out wheels, it just, I don't know what to do. And a little lift, like, yeah. A little lift, it just changed everything for me."
These are bigger, tougher-looking tires. They can make a vehicle look more off-road ready and help it grip better on rough ground.
Chunkier tyres are larger, more aggressive off-road tires with a taller sidewall and more pronounced tread. They can improve grip and appearance, especially on 4WD builds.
blacked out wheels
"And a little lift, like, yeah. A little lift, it just changed everything for me. Actually, it looks sharp. I like the look of it now. Yeah. But I was so unsure about it at the start."
These are wheels painted or coated black. People use them to make a truck or SUV look tougher or more modern.
Blacked-out wheels are wheels finished in black or dark colors for a more aggressive, stealthy look. It’s a styling modification rather than a mechanical one.
median household income
"So the median income earner can no longer afford to buy a 300. Now, I'm releasing a video on Sunday about this."
This is basically the income of a typical household. They’re using it to show that new SUVs have gotten too expensive for regular buyers.
Median household income is a way of describing the middle income level in a population, where half of households earn more and half earn less. The hosts are using it to argue that new 4WD prices have outpaced what a typical buyer can afford.
golden age of buying a brand new Land Cruiser
"...it's more like we've passed the golden era of buying a brand new Land Cruiser. It was achievable for most people in any median household owner."
They mean a time when a new Land Cruiser was still within reach for a normal family budget. The discussion is about how much more expensive new 4WDs have become.
This is the hosts' idea that there was a period when a new Toyota Land Cruiser was relatively attainable for ordinary buyers, compared with today. They're using it as a shorthand for affordability in the 4WD market.
four wheel drives
"Is this a new car out? It's like 86 choices, I believe. Let's just say 80, but it's more than that, of four wheel drives. Not all wheel drives, but four wheel drives."
They’re talking about off-road vehicles and how many different ones you can buy today. The point is that the market has exploded compared with the past.
This segment is about the number of available 4WD vehicles on the market and how that choice set has changed over time. The hosts are comparing the modern market to the 1980s and arguing that there are far more options now.
solid axle
"...if you go back to 1980s, it would have been like 20 choices. And 10 of those would have been solid axle. Yeah. It's an interesting one."
This is a tough old-school suspension setup used on many off-road vehicles. It helps with ruggedness and wheel movement over rough terrain.
A solid axle is a suspension design where both wheels on an axle are connected by one rigid beam. It's common in traditional off-road vehicles because it can be strong and offer good articulation, though it usually rides worse on pavement than independent suspension.
cash
"So in that area. Yeah. In that era. Yeah. And then now you can't. No, you can't. Because what you earned and what you had to pay and what the car was worth, it was just like, it was perfect."
This means paying for the car all at once, instead of borrowing money. They’re saying a normal buyer could once do that with a Land Cruiser, but not anymore.
Buying with cash means paying the full purchase price upfront instead of financing the vehicle with a loan. The hosts are contrasting outright purchase affordability in 2006 with today's prices.
Nissan
"that was like the best time, you know, because yet Nissan brought out some wicked cars as well. It was just a really good time. Oh, six. Yeah. But you know, the old days was just like,"
Nissan is a car company. The hosts are saying Nissan also had some good off-road vehicles around that time.
Nissan is mentioned as a major competitor in the 4WD market during the era the hosts are discussing. Here it's part of a broader comparison of brands that were offering appealing off-road vehicles.
full drive market
"BYDs, there's so many different options out there. And I think it's a great thing because it just means there's more people who are able to get into a full drive market. But there's heaps of, heaps of four wheel drives out there now."
They mean the market for four-wheel-drive vehicles. The conversation is about how there are now many more choices for people who want a 4WD.
This is the off-road vehicle segment the hosts are discussing, essentially the market for 4WDs and related SUVs. The point is that more brands and models now make it easier for more people to enter the segment.
too many choices
"I somewhat disagree that it's a good thing having too many choices. You reckon? Yeah. Picture this, you're sitting there at home in a couch and you're scrolling through Netflix half an hour later. Fuck, I don't know what to pick."
They’re talking about how having lots of vehicle options can make it hard to choose. Sometimes more choices just makes shopping stressful.
This is the episode's broader consumer-choice argument: more models can help buyers, but too much variety can also make shopping confusing. The hosts compare car shopping to scrolling through streaming apps and getting overwhelmed.
Netflix scroll analogy
"Picture this, you're sitting there at home in a couch and you're scrolling through Netflix half an hour later. Fuck, I don't know what to pick. So imagine someone who's looking at four wheel drives, has no idea, hasn't found this podcast yet,"
They compare car shopping to endlessly scrolling through Netflix and not being able to pick a show. It’s their way of saying too many options can be annoying.
The hosts use a Netflix-style browsing analogy to explain decision fatigue when shopping for 4WDs. It functions as a structural segment in the conversation about consumer overwhelm.
rom-com
"Yeah, we've seen that one. We just don't want to watch the rom-com. Rom-com. What is it with bloody rom-coms? What is the rom-com of vehicles? Oh, the rom-com of vehicles? Probably a Prado."
A rom-com is a romantic comedy movie. They’re jokingly comparing a type of car to something sweet, predictable, and a little cheesy.
Rom-com is short for romantic comedy, and the hosts use it as a metaphor for a vehicle that's predictable, soft, or not especially exciting to enthusiasts. It's part of their joke about what kind of car feels like the 'rom-com' of vehicles.
Toyota Prado
"What is the rom-com of vehicles? Oh, the rom-com of vehicles? Probably a Prado."
The Toyota Prado is a popular 4WD SUV. They’re joking that it’s the kind of vehicle everyone knows and many people like, even if it’s not the most exciting choice.
The Toyota Prado is the vehicle the hosts jokingly label as the 'rom-com of vehicles,' implying it's a safe, familiar, broadly appealing choice rather than an especially dramatic one. It's a common mid-size 4WD SUV in markets like Australia.
Toyota Land Cruiser
"...like, because it's probably not a nice thing to hear about all the fuel situation, how much it costs now, and that's, you know, most people cannot afford a brand new Land Cruiser. The dream of buying a brand new Land Cruiser. But the thing is, God, it's depressing..."
This is Toyota's big off-road SUV. People like it because it's tough and very capable, but a new one can be expensive.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a full-size 4WD SUV known for durability, off-road capability, and a high price tag when bought new. Here it's used as an example of the expensive dream vehicle many enthusiasts want but may not need to enjoy 4WDing.
modifying your car
"...Whatever you have now, whatever gear you have now, you don't need the latest and greatest. You just need to go out and use it. Because I find that we all get stuck in chasing that one thing. So you're modifying your car. You want this specific bull bar..."
It means changing your car after you buy it, like adding accessories or upgrades. Here they're saying people often want the next upgrade instead of just enjoying what they already own.
This refers to aftermarket modification and personalization of a vehicle, often to improve capability, appearance, or comfort. The segment is about the tendency to chase upgrades rather than actually use the vehicle you already have.
rooftop tent
"...Next thing might be a rooftop tent, but you have a swag. You look at your swag, it's not a rooftop tent, but I really want a rooftop tent. You get your rooftop tent and you think things are going to be so much better..."
It's a tent that sits on top of your car. People use it for camping so they can sleep off the ground.
A rooftop tent mounts on top of a vehicle and provides a sleeping space for camping. In 4WD culture, it's a popular overlanding accessory, but it adds cost and weight compared with simpler camping gear.
swag
"...Next thing might be a rooftop tent, but you have a swag. You look at your swag, it's not a rooftop tent, but I really want a rooftop tent. You get your rooftop tent and you think things are going to be so much better..."
In Australia, a swag is a simple camping bed you can roll up and carry. It's a basic way to sleep outdoors without buying a fancy tent.
A swag is an Australian camping bedroll or compact sleeping setup, often used for bush camping. The speaker is comparing it to a rooftop tent as a simpler, cheaper alternative.
track
"Like I went pretty hard when I first got it. But at the moment, there's nothing else I need to go camping or to get out on a track or to go for a drive, except basically fuel at the moment, which I can't... I don't want to fill up a full tank of fuel."
A track is a place where people drive cars hard in a controlled setting. They’re saying the vehicle already does everything they need, including track use.
A track is a closed course used for performance driving or racing. Here it’s part of a list of places the car might be used, alongside camping and regular driving.
bowser
"What I'm saving in not chasing the latest and greatest could be spending... Maybe you can spend on the bowser. Yeah, could we spend on the bowser? Could we spend at the shop to get the food for the trip?"
A bowser is just the place where you fill up with fuel. In this conversation, they mean money going into gas instead of other upgrades.
In Australian English, a bowser is a fuel pump or gas station. Here they’re using it as shorthand for spending money on fuel instead of on car mods or gear.
camping and travel spending priorities
"Because one thing you will get out of camping or just heading out with your kids or your partner or whatever, your mates, it's the experience. You can't buy that. Buying an item is not going to make the experience with the people you travel with any better."
They’re talking about spending money on the trip itself instead of on extra car gear. The idea is that the memories and time with people are more valuable than buying more things.
This segment is about choosing experiences over buying more stuff for the vehicle or trip. The hosts are arguing that fuel, food, and time with family or friends matter more than chasing the latest upgrade.
Gather Round
"I did have a chat with some guys over at Gather Round, just like some fans of people who were just there. Yeah. From Interstate and stuff. And there were quite a few people who had people that were going with cancel going to Gather Round because they couldn't afford the fuel prices to come across."
Gather Round is a big sports weekend in Adelaide. People travel there from other states, so the hosts are talking about how much fuel costs can affect whether people drive.
Gather Round is an AFL event in Adelaide that draws a lot of interstate travel, so it becomes a discussion about road trips, fuel costs, and logistics. Here it’s the backdrop for talking about how expensive it is to drive long distances in Australia.
Interstate
"I did have a chat with some guys over at Gather Round, just like some fans of people who were just there. Yeah. From Interstate and stuff. And there were quite a few people who had people that were going with cancel going to Gather Round because they couldn't afford the fuel prices to come across."
This means coming from another state, not just another town. The people they’re talking about had to travel a long way to get to the event.
In Australian usage, interstate means traveling from one state to another. It matters here because the hosts are talking about people driving in from outside South Australia for the event.
fuel prices
"...there were quite a few people who had people that were going with cancel going to Gather Round because they couldn't afford the fuel prices to come across. Yeah. Well, there was... I'm pretty sure... Maybe the Victorian government who..."
This just means how much it costs to fill up your car. If fuel is expensive, a long drive can become too costly for some people.
Fuel prices are the cost of gasoline or diesel, and they directly affect the cost of long-distance driving. In this segment, they’re being discussed as a reason some people might skip a trip altogether.
Melbourne to Adelaide road trip
"Especially after this morning. They must have done a little a fuel deal for people who were driving to Gather Round because Melbourne Adelaide's eight hours, basically. So there might have been a little deal. Maybe if you had your Gather Round tickets..."
They’re talking about the long drive from Melbourne to Adelaide. It’s used as an example of how expensive fuel can make a trip harder to justify.
This is a travel segment about the long drive between Melbourne and Adelaide, used here to illustrate how fuel costs affect trip planning. It functions as a practical road-trip example rather than a technical automotive topic.
fuel discount
"So the AFL announced that they were doing a bigger fuel discount for Gather Round weekends. So if you have a Gather Round ticket or whatever and you're driving across there, you get a discount of 10 cents a litre on fuel."
This means getting gas for less money than usual. In this case, people with tickets could save a bit when filling up for the trip.
A fuel discount is a temporary price reduction on fuel, often offered as a promotion or incentive. Here it’s tied to event tickets, making the drive to Gather Round a little cheaper.
10 cents a litre
"So the AFL announced that they were doing a bigger fuel discount for Gather Round weekends. So if you have a Gather Round ticket or whatever and you're driving across there, you get a discount of 10 cents a litre on fuel. Yeah."
In Australia, fuel is sold by the litre. A 10-cent-a-litre discount means each litre costs 10 cents less, so you save a little every time you fill up.
This is a fuel-price discount measured per litre, which is how fuel is commonly sold in Australia. It’s a small per-unit savings that can add up over a long road trip or a full tank.
fill-up
"[1790.1s] Yeah, it's just like, oh, stuff it on. $3.50, anyone can pay it. [1793.9s] Yeah. But the thing is, what's the minimum fill-up for leaders? [1796.7s] It's the same amount of money at the end of the day. [1799.8s] There's a minimum fuel, there's a minimum fill-up amount at the server. It's like, [1805.7s] it's four litres or something like that. So four litres at $3.20."
A fill-up just means putting gas in the car. They’re talking about how much fuel you have to buy and how expensive it is.
A fill-up is when you add fuel until the tank is full or until you stop at a chosen amount. The discussion here is about minimum purchase amounts and how much fuel that money buys at high prices.
three-cylinder
"[1805.7s] it's four litres or something like that. So four litres at $3.20. [1812.3s] It's still like, that's, maybe you would have just gone, like a little two-cylinder, [1817.1s] like a little three-cylinder, one-litre three-cylinder, [1819.9s] buddy, Nissan Tita or something, you'd like. That would have almost got your full tank"
It’s a small engine with three cylinders inside. Cars with these engines are usually small and meant to use less fuel.
A three-cylinder engine has three combustion cylinders instead of the more common four, six, or eight. They’re often used in small, efficient cars because they can be cheaper to run and fit in compact vehicles.
Nissan Tiida
"[1812.3s] It's still like, that's, maybe you would have just gone, like a little two-cylinder, [1817.1s] like a little three-cylinder, one-litre three-cylinder, [1819.9s] buddy, Nissan Tita or something, you'd like. That would have almost got your full tank [1824.6s] back in the day. It would have caused you like eight bucks. Now it's like 20. [1828.9s] Yeah, it's so true, actually. Yeah."
The Nissan Tiida is a small, practical car. They’re using it as an example of a car that doesn’t need much fuel.
The Nissan Tiida is a small compact car that was sold in various markets as an economical daily driver. It’s mentioned here as an example of a small, fuel-efficient car that wouldn’t cost much to fill up.
Nissan Tita
"... three-cylinder, one-litre three-cylinder, buddy, Nissan Tita or something, you'd like. That would have almost ..."
The Nissan Titan Crew Cab is a pickup truck made by Nissan. It has four full-size doors and a larger back seat area.
The Nissan Titan Crew Cab is a full-size pickup truck with four full-size doors and a roomy rear seat, designed for both work and family use. It may be mentioned in conversation as a practical truck option, especially when discussing towing, hauling, or everyday usability.
EPA
"Yeah. This is the fuel refiner in Geelong. Yes. Obviously, with the refiner being on fire and all that, there's a fair bit of environmental. Yeah. When I say the word or the letters EPA, what does it remind you guys of? Simpsons. Yeah."
EPA is the government group that makes and enforces environmental rules. People bring it up in car talk when they’re discussing emissions, fuel, or rules that affect vehicles.
EPA stands for Environmental Protection Agency, a U.S. government agency that regulates pollution and environmental compliance. In car and off-road discussions, it often comes up when talking about emissions rules, fuel quality, or regulations that affect vehicles and modifications.
The Simpsons movie
"EPA. No, I haven't seen that. The Simpsons movie. I've seen the Simpsons movie. Yeah. When Grandpa's losing his marbles and he's like, she's ahead of their time out. Yeah, they are, really."
They’re talking about a scene from The Simpsons movie. It’s just a joke reference while they’re chatting about EPA.
The hosts are referencing a scene from The Simpsons movie as a joke while discussing EPA. This is a pop-culture aside rather than an automotive topic, but it explains the source of the joke.
Environmental Protection Agency
"And it stands to, is that Environmental Protection Agency? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That one probably went over my head. And that's who comes in and shuts down Springfield at the big dome."
This is the full name for EPA. It’s the agency people mean when they talk about environmental rules that can affect cars.
The Environmental Protection Agency is the full name behind the acronym EPA. It’s a common reference point in automotive conversations because emissions and environmental regulations can affect vehicle design, tuning, and fuel systems.
The Simpsons voice impressions
"I always think of Bart in the train with the bra on his head. And he's like, pretending to be Mickey Mouse. He's like, I'm the mascot of an evil incorporation. That always gets me. Can you hear that voice again? The man with many voices."
They’re just joking around about cartoon voices from The Simpsons. It’s a side conversation, not about cars.
The speakers are joking about different voices and characters from The Simpsons, including Bart, Mickey Mouse, and Ralph Wiggum. This is a pop-culture aside rather than an automotive topic, but it may still help listeners follow the banter.
canopy
"So what are we at? Where's the canopy? Where's the... So what's on the grenadier?"
A canopy is like a cover or box added to the back of a truck so you can carry stuff more safely and keep it dry. Off-road people use them a lot for gear and camping.
In 4WD and ute talk, a canopy is the enclosed shell fitted over the rear tray or cargo bed. It’s often used for storage, camping setups, or protecting gear from weather and theft.
weather and trip planning
"Well, the car... Well, I'm planning that out still because there's been a cyclone. Yep. That's altered many people's plans. ... So I've got him running around with like a cup out there collecting how many mills actually happening."
They’re mostly talking about bad weather and how it’s changing their plans. It sounds like they’re waiting to see if conditions improve before doing anything.
This segment is about how cyclone-related weather is affecting plans, especially travel and off-road timing. It’s a practical planning discussion rather than a technical car topic.
cyclone
"Well, the car... Well, I'm planning that out still because there's been a cyclone. Yep. That's altered many people's plans."
A cyclone is a big storm with lots of rain and strong winds. It can mess up travel plans and make roads or tracks unsafe.
A cyclone is a severe tropical storm system that can bring heavy rain, flooding, and wind damage. In off-road and 4WD planning, cyclones often disrupt travel, track conditions, and event schedules.
GMC Cyclone
"...'m planning that out still because there's been a cyclone. Yep."
The GMC Cyclone is a small pickup truck made by GMC. It was built in the early 1990s and is known for being a fast truck.
The GMC Cyclone is a high-performance compact pickup from the early 1990s, best known for its turbocharged V6 and all-wheel drive. It is often discussed as a cult classic because it was unusually quick for a truck and remains rare and collectible.
weather bureau
"But it's not as bad as what the weather bureau said. They're giving you like this. It's going to drop about 15 to 60 mil."
This is the official weather service that predicts rain and storms. They’re saying the forecast didn’t match the real conditions very well.
The weather bureau is the government weather forecasting agency. Here they’re talking about forecast uncertainty and how official predictions can differ from what actually falls on the ground.
15 to 60 mil
"They're giving you like this. It's going to drop about 15 to 60 mil. It's like, wow."
They’re talking about how much rain might fall, measured in millimeters. The big range means the forecast is pretty uncertain.
This is a rainfall forecast range in millimeters. The wide spread shows uncertainty in how much rain will actually fall, which matters a lot for track conditions and trip planning.
mills
"So I've got him running around with like a cup out there collecting how many mills actually happening. He would do that for you too, Rafa."
They mean millimeters, which is how people often measure rain. They’re joking about collecting the rain to see how much is really coming down.
“Mills” is casual shorthand for millimeters, usually used for rainfall. In this context they’re joking about measuring how much rain is actually falling.
Fraser Island
"So we've got a backup plan in place, but I'm hoping that we go with plan A rather than plan B. Right. So plan B will be Fraser Island. You know I've been there."
Fraser Island is a well-known place people take 4WDs to drive on sand and explore beaches. The hosts are talking about whether that trip will happen as their backup plan.
Fraser Island is the planned off-road destination being discussed here. In 4WD circles, it’s a famous sand-driving location, so mentioning it signals a specific kind of trip and terrain.
Cape York trip planning
""Cape York is plan A. Is it Cape York? Cape York is, well, the Cape is plan A. Yeah. Not necessarily Cape York, but Cape York may be plan part of the, the second time I fly back because I'm going to fly back a few times.""
They’re talking about getting ready for a big off-road trip to Cape York. It’s a famous remote driving destination in Australia, so planning around it matters a lot.
They’re discussing planning a 4WD trip to Cape York, a major off-road destination in far north Queensland, Australia. In this context it’s the route and logistics of the trip, not just the place itself.
Brizzy
""So the car's in Brizzy. I've got. Wait, which car's in Brizzy? The Grenadier. Oh, okay.""
"Brizzy" is just a nickname for Brisbane, Australia. They’re saying the vehicle is over there in that city.
"Brizzy" is Australian slang for Brisbane. Here it indicates the vehicle is located in Brisbane, likely for storage, shipping, or service.
Ineos Grenadier
""So the car's in Brizzy. I've got. Wait, which car's in Brizzy? The Grenadier. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, from, yeah, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's still over there.""
This is a tough off-road vehicle made by Ineos. It’s built to handle rough tracks and remote travel, which is why it comes up in a 4WD podcast.
The Ineos Grenadier is a purpose-built off-road SUV designed to evoke the old-school 4x4 formula. It’s notable in 4WD circles because it was created specifically for rugged use rather than comfort-first road driving.
tank's still empty
""Yeah, gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, I presume the tank's still empty because I sent it over empty. Right. That's when all this fuel should start.""
They mean the fuel tank was left empty on purpose. That’s often done when a vehicle is being shipped or moved long distance.
They’re referring to the fuel tank being left empty for transport or storage. Sending a vehicle with an empty tank is common when shipping because it reduces weight and safety risk.
truck the car
"But it makes sense to truck the car now. What's that with? Oh yeah, with fuel."
They mean putting the car on a truck or trailer instead of driving it all the way. It’s a way to move the car without putting miles on it.
In this context, 'truck the car' means transporting the vehicle rather than driving it the whole way. It suggests hauling the car because the trip is long, expensive, or impractical to do under its own power.
fleet
""Would you say the Ineos is the leader of your fleet now?" "It's, would you say that's the choice 1A?" "1A. Choice 1A, doesn't need 1A.""
A fleet just means all the vehicles someone has together. They’re asking whether this one is the main vehicle in the person’s collection.
A fleet is the collection of vehicles someone owns or operates. Here it refers to the speaker’s personal lineup of off-road vehicles.
choice 1A
""Would you say that's the choice 1A?" "1A. Choice 1A, doesn't need 1A." "It's the choice 1A as a wagon." "I mean, as a ute.""
They mean the number-one pick. It’s just a casual way of saying this is the favorite vehicle.
“Choice 1A” is informal slang here for the top pick or first-choice option. It’s not a formal automotive term, but it signals that the vehicle is the preferred one in the lineup.
wagon
""It's the choice 1A as a wagon." "I mean, as a ute." "Okay. Yeah." "It's your own the ute though.""
A wagon is a car shape with extra space in the back. They’re comparing that to the truck-like version of the vehicle.
A wagon is a body style with a longer roofline and more cargo space than a sedan, usually with a rear hatch. The speaker is contrasting wagon and ute versions of the same vehicle.
community reciprocity
"up there filming with some of these communities and not really just taking and not really giving. When I say giving, it's like, you know, doing something for them as well. Because on a monetary side of things, it's, I'm running a pretty tight budget. So it might, yeah, we're trying to do something like a canning where we, you know, which we try and do something everywhere we go because you can't expect to give something, get something and not give anything back."
They’re talking about not just showing up, filming, and leaving. They want to help the local people or communities in return for the access and hospitality they get.
This segment is about giving back to the communities they film with instead of just taking content from them. The hosts are discussing making their trips more reciprocal by contributing something useful or monetary when they visit.
Savannah Way
"So it's going to be reciprocal. That's right. So that's, that's the plan. And then we'll draw, I'll probably do the Savannah way on the way back to Broome and then bring it back down to Perth."
This is a big road trip route in Australia. They’re saying they may drive back using that route before heading to Perth.
The Savannah Way is a long-distance travel route in northern Australia, often discussed by overlanders and 4WD travelers. Here it’s being mentioned as part of their return drive planning.
Perth
"And then we'll draw, I'll probably do the Savannah way on the way back to Broome and then bring it back down to Perth. Who will be with you across that period?"
Perth is a city in Australia. They’re saying they’ll drive back down there after the trip.
Perth is the destination city they mention as the end point of the return trip. It’s geographic context for the travel discussion.
Broome
"And then we'll draw, I'll probably do the Savannah way on the way back to Broome and then bring it back down to Perth. Who will be with you across that period?"
Broome is a place in Australia. They’re talking about driving there and then continuing on to Perth.
Broome is a town in Western Australia that often comes up in outback travel and 4WD route planning. It’s part of the trip logistics here rather than a vehicle reference.
mud-terrain tires
"Big question. Maybe question of the day. Does Chris have either all-terrain or mud-terrain tires on his vehicle yet? Mate, he's still got all-terrain."
These are chunky off-road tires made for tough terrain like mud and rocks. They grip better off-road, but they’re usually louder and less comfortable on normal roads.
Mud-terrain tires are a more aggressive off-road tire type with large tread blocks and deeper voids for traction in mud, rocks, and loose terrain. They trade away some road manners, noise, and wet-weather refinement compared with all-terrain tires.
all-terrain tires
"Big question. Maybe question of the day. Does Chris have either all-terrain or mud-terrain tires on his vehicle yet? Mate, he's still got all-terrain."
These are tires made for both regular roads and rough tracks. They’re a middle-ground option if you drive on pavement most of the time but still want some off-road ability.
All-terrain tires are designed to be a compromise between on-road comfort and off-road traction. They usually have a tread pattern that works reasonably well on dirt, gravel, and light mud without being as aggressive as dedicated off-road tires.
cheese cutters
"Mate, he's still got all-terrain. Sorry, the all-terrain, not the skinny, the skinny cheese cutters. Yeah. Yeah."
This is slang for skinny tires. People use it when they’re talking about tires that are much narrower than usual.
'Cheese cutters' is slang for very narrow tires, often used in off-road contexts. Narrow tires can help cut through soft surfaces and reduce drag, which is why some 4WD setups favor them.
pull him out
"He doesn't have, he's not the one who has to pull himself out though. That is true. Convening convening is the rest of the convoy. Always getting others to pull him off."
This means helping a stuck vehicle get moving again. Off-road drivers often use another truck or special gear to tow or drag it free.
In off-road driving, 'pull him out' refers to vehicle recovery—using another vehicle, strap, or winch to free a stuck vehicle. It’s a common part of 4WDing when someone gets bogged in sand, mud, or ruts.
convoy
"That is true. Convening convening is the rest of the convoy. Always getting others to pull him off."
A convoy is just a bunch of vehicles driving together. On off-road trips, that matters because other drivers can help pull someone out if they get stuck.
A convoy is a group of vehicles traveling together, often on off-road trips so drivers can help each other if someone gets stuck. In 4WD culture, convoying is a common safety and recovery strategy.
Isuzu Trooper
"Well, I have to show this on the next podcast, but I've got, Chris sent me a video of a trooper that got stuck up in the Shark Bay. He pulled over for lunch."
The Isuzu Trooper was a tough SUV people used for driving off-road and on rough tracks. They’re talking about one that got bogged down in the sand or terrain at Shark Bay.
The Isuzu Trooper is a midsize SUV that was popular as a rugged off-road vehicle. Here it’s mentioned as the vehicle that got stuck in Shark Bay, which fits the show’s 4WD focus.
bogged
"So remember when, when Chris got bogged up at Shark Bay? Yeah. Because he, yeah, didn't pay attention where he was going in."
This means the vehicle got stuck in soft ground and couldn’t drive out. Off-roaders use this word a lot when a truck or 4WD sinks into sand or mud.
In off-road driving, being "bogged" means a vehicle has sunk into soft ground like sand, mud, or wet soil and can’t move under its own power. It often requires recovery gear or another vehicle to get unstuck.
Shark Bay recovery story
"So remember when, when Chris got bogged up at Shark Bay? Yeah. Because he, yeah, didn't pay attention where he was going in. Yeah. Ended up severely bogged and called me and, well, and then I got that story about the other trooper that was, had to be recovered by a boat."
They’re talking about a time someone got stuck while off-roading at Shark Bay. The story is being used as context for a recovery situation.
This segment is about a specific off-road recovery incident at Shark Bay, where a vehicle got badly stuck and had to be recovered. It sets up the story the hosts are discussing before showing the image/video.
recovered by a boat
"...and then I got that story about the other trooper that was, had to be recovered by a boat. Yeah. Yeah. So that recovery guy, he sent Chris something the other day, just one second."
They mean the vehicle was so stuck that a boat had to be used to get it out. That’s a pretty unusual recovery situation.
This refers to a vehicle recovery method where a stuck vehicle is pulled or transported out using a boat, usually because it’s in water, mud, or an area inaccessible by normal recovery vehicles. It underscores how extreme the situation was.
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