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Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is a famous super-fast car that was made in the late 80s and early 90s. It's known for being very powerful and having a cool design, making it a favorite among car lovers. People talk about it because it's considered one of the best cars ever made.
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Dodge Charger
The Dodge Charger is a big car that looks sporty and can go really fast. It comes with different engine choices, so you can pick how powerful you want it to be.
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Ferrari 360 Ferrari
The Ferrari 360 is a sports car made by Ferrari, built between 1999 and 2005. It has a powerful engine and is designed for fast driving and great handling.
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Jaguar E-Type
The Jaguar E-Type is a classic sports car from the 1960s known for its sleek looks and fast performance. It's a favorite among car enthusiasts and collectors.
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Jaguar XK120
The Jaguar XK120 is an older sports car from the late 1940s and early 1950s. It was known for being very fast for its time and has a classic design that many people admire.
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Ford Maverick
The Ford Maverick is a small truck that is known for being affordable and useful. It's a good option for people who need a vehicle for daily tasks without spending too much money.
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Land Rover Discovery
The Land Rover Discovery is a fancy SUV that can go off-road and is very comfortable inside. It's great for families and people who like to explore nature. People talk about it because it offers a mix of luxury and adventure.
Term
catalytic converter
A catalytic converter is a part of a car that helps clean the exhaust gases before they leave the vehicle. Thieves steal them because they contain precious metals that can be sold for money.
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BMW E30
The E30 is a model of the BMW 3 Series, which is a small luxury car. It's famous for being fun to drive and has a classic look that many people love.
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BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty car that's part of the BMW 3 Series family. The E36 model, made in the 1990s, is popular among car enthusiasts for its fun driving experience and good looks. People talk about it because it's a great mix of a car you can drive every day and one that's exciting on a racetrack.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and more powerful the car can be.
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BMW M2
The BMW M2 Competition is a sporty car that's part of the 2 Series lineup. It's built for performance and is popular among car lovers for its speed and handling.
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Lotus Evora
The Lotus Evora 2+2 is a type of sports car that is light and handles well. The '2+2' means it has two extra seats in the back for passengers.
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Chevrolet Corvette
The Corvette is a fast sports car made by Chevrolet. It's famous for being powerful and stylish, and it's been around for a long time, starting in 1953.
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Aston Martin
Aston Martin is a luxury car brand from Britain. Their cars are known for being very stylish and fast, and they often appear in James Bond movies.
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Aston Martin V8 Vantage
The Aston Martin V8 Vantage is a fancy sports car that was made in 2003. It's known for being fast and stylish, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
Term
E46
E46 is a name used to describe a specific version of the BMW 3 Series made between 1997 and 2006. It's popular for being a good mix of sporty and comfortable.
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Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a famous sports car that has been around for many years. It's known for being fast and having a cool design, making it popular among car enthusiasts.
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Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for decades. The 996 is a specific version of this car made between 1999 and 2004, featuring some updates in style and technology.
Part
brake calipers
Brake calipers are parts of the braking system that squeeze the brake pads against the wheels to help stop the car. They can be very expensive, especially for high-performance cars.
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Toyota GR Corolla
The Toyota GR Corolla is a sportier version of the regular Corolla, designed for people who want a fun driving experience. It has more power and better handling, making it exciting to drive. People talk about it because it's a great mix of everyday use and sporty performance.
Term
automatic transmission
An automatic transmission is a type of gearbox that changes gears for you while you drive. This makes it easier because you don't have to do it yourself.
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Dodge Viper
The Dodge Viper is a super-fast sports car that has a big engine and a bold design. It's known for being very powerful and exciting to drive, but it doesn't have a lot of comfort features. People talk about it because it's a classic American sports car that stands out.
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Cadillac CT5-V
The Cadillac CT5-V is a sportier version of the CT5 car, made for people who want a mix of luxury and speed. It has a powerful engine and better handling than regular cars.
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Cadillac Ctsv
The Cadillac CTS-V is a fast and powerful version of the regular Cadillac CTS car. It's designed to be both luxurious and sporty, making it a popular choice for those who want a fun driving experience.
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Audi Tt
The Audi TT is a small sports car that looks cool and is fun to drive. It's not very big inside, so it doesn't have back seats, making it more of a two-seater.
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Audi R8
The Audi R8 is a fancy sports car that looks great and goes really fast. It's one of Audi's most famous models.
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Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG
The Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG is a super fast and powerful version of the E-Class car. It has special features that make it more fun to drive.
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BMW E63
The BMW 6 Series is a stylish luxury coupe that is designed for comfort and performance. It has a sleek look and is packed with technology, making it a great choice for those who want a fancy car. People talk about it because it offers a mix of elegance and sportiness.
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Honda Civic
The Honda Civic is a small car that many people use for everyday driving because it's reliable and saves on gas. The Civic Type R is a sportier version that goes faster and handles better, making it exciting to drive. It's popular because you can use it for daily tasks and still have fun on the road.
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Subaru WRX
The Subaru WRX is a sporty car that is great for driving fast and handling well in different weather conditions. It's often associated with younger drivers and rally racing.
Term
Long Beach blue
Long Beach Blue is a bright blue color that you can get for the BMW M2. It's a popular choice because it looks really cool and sporty.
Term
Apple CarPlay
Apple CarPlay lets you use your iPhone in your car. You can see your apps, get directions, and listen to music on the car's screen instead of your phone.
Brand
Tesla
Tesla is a company that makes electric cars. They are known for being very high-tech and have features like self-driving capabilities.
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Polestar 30 Polestar
The Polestar 3 is a new electric SUV made by Volvo's performance brand. It's designed to be luxurious and eco-friendly, making it a good choice for people who care about the environment. People talk about it because it's part of the growing trend of electric cars.
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Mazda Rx7
The Mazda RX-7 is a sporty car that uses a special type of engine called a rotary engine, which makes it lighter and faster. It's loved by car fans because it drives really well and has a unique design. People talk about it because it's different from most other sports cars.
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Porsche Cayman
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that is designed to be fun to drive while still being practical enough for daily use. It has its engine in the middle, which helps it handle really well on the road. People talk about it because it looks great and is exciting to drive.
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Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is a fancy SUV that drives like a sports car but has more space for passengers and cargo. It's popular because it offers a mix of luxury and performance, making it a good choice for families who still want a fun ride. People talk about it because it's a unique option in the SUV market.
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Audi RS5
The Audi RS5 is a fast and fancy coupe that offers a lot of power and a comfortable ride. It's designed for people who want a sporty car that still feels luxurious inside. People talk about it because it combines speed with style.
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Honda Crv
The Honda CR-V is a small SUV that is great for families because it has a lot of space and is very reliable. It's known for being good on gas, which helps save money. People like to talk about it because it's practical and can handle a variety of needs.
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Mazda Miata
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Bmw X1
The BMW X1 is a small luxury SUV that is easy to drive around the city and has a nice interior. It has enough space for passengers and luggage, making it a good choice for families. People talk about it because it's a stylish and practical option in the SUV market.
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Ferrari Mondial
The Ferrari Mondial 3.2 Cabriolet is a convertible sports car that looks great and is fun to drive. It's one of the more affordable Ferraris, making it appealing to people who want a piece of the Ferrari experience. People talk about it because it's a classic car with a unique style.
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Alfa Romeo Giulia
The Alfa Romeo Giulia is a stylish small car that is fun to drive and has a unique Italian design. It's popular among people who want a car that looks good and performs well. People talk about it because it stands out from other cars in the same category.
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Lotus Elise
The Lotus Elise is a very light and small sports car that is built for fun driving. It doesn't have a lot of extra features, which makes it fast and easy to handle on the road. People talk about it because it's all about the driving experience rather than luxury.
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Lotus Sports
The Lotus Sport 420 Final Edition is a special version of a sports car that is very light and built for speed. It's one of the last models made by Lotus, known for being fun to drive. People talk about it because it's a unique and exciting car.
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Volkswagen Bora
The Volkswagen Bora is a small sedan that is good for daily driving because it's comfortable and reliable. It's similar to the Jetta and is known for being well-built and efficient. People talk about it because it's a practical choice for many drivers.
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BMW New Bmw
The BMW New Class is a group of cars made by BMW in the 1960s and 1970s that helped the company become well-known. These cars were designed to be modern and innovative, which set the stage for BMW's success later on. People talk about it because it was an important part of BMW's history.
LIVE
Welcome to Best in Class, the podcast where we talk about the best versions of the best
cars.
Thank you for joining me, Adam, and my friend of me with Benefit Steve.
Whoa, Benefits.
That's new.
As we argue over what our favorite cars were at the top of their game, Steve, how we doing
this week?
I'm good.
I'm good.
We're back again.
I know.
I'm not sure why, honestly.
We're at a lovely new setting.
Yes, we are.
Thank you to our guests who will introduce shortly.
This is my first time out of Fireland since January, I think.
Let's be honest, you tend to not leave Malibu even on the best updates.
I haven't been on the 10 since last year.
It's still the same.
Yeah, no real updates.
I am still Ferrari-less.
I want to get into that.
Oh, you do?
Because you're shopping, I would assume, right?
I am half, half and half, just kind of like, because there's been some recent stuff sent
to me and I was like, oh, you know, like, do you, do you do, I had a hard top the longest
time.
Yes.
So do you do, GTS is time just to do something different, or do you get a totally different
car?
And so I've just been all over the place.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
But if you have some thoughts, I'm all ears.
Don't worry.
We've had some thoughts.
We've had some people.
Plenty of thoughts.
Text us on our IG, which I check religiously.
So there's been some absolutely useless suggestions.
Okay.
But we can go into them afterwards.
A lot of big auto suggestions.
Are you shopping Ferrari only?
I'm open to it.
I'm open to it.
Hi, Diego.
Hi, sorry.
Oh, yeah.
Diego is here.
I'm going to jump in here.
Diego, I asked you if you were going to wait.
Yeah.
And you said, yeah, I'll wait.
And then you couldn't.
Yeah.
Couldn't.
Everybody say hi to Diego.
He's joining us.
Yeah.
So and we're here because of Diego.
Yes, we are here.
So we're at, do we say where we are?
Can we say?
Haymaker Studios.
Yeah.
Agency where you're employed at for seven more days.
Five more days.
Okay.
Yeah.
And today you guys can't see it, but he is wearing a Ferrari hoodie with Lewis Hamilton
and an F40 on the front, which is an iconic photo in front of the Ferrari.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so is house.
And so is house.
Yeah.
So I don't know what Adam's doing.
He's not even paying attention.
I am playing engineer over here.
Oh, okay.
So.
All right.
Anyway, we're back.
So Ferrari only is what you're shopping for.
I mean, once you have a Ferrari, what am I going to go to?
Anything better?
No, no.
I mean, there's just what's what's off the top of your off top of your head.
What would you go for?
Lotus.
That's terrible.
That's because what if I was driving around and somebody thought I was mad?
I think that would just make me that would make me so sad.
I mean, I mean, that's enough to as a as a British passport holding person, the Lotus
would be great, but I just that that's too much of a risk.
It is.
Yeah.
Less of a risk in terms of catching on fire.
I don't think so.
I think it's probably a tie.
I guess those are Toyota engines.
Depends on which one.
Yeah, it depends on which one.
I guess if you get the Lotus V8, then.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If you get it.
So like if you did get a lot of so to be clear, I meant a brand new one.
A brand new or four, I believe what is a mirror, excuse me, a mirror.
Oh, no, no, no, it's too, it's too dainty for Steve.
I think.
Oh, no.
Plus.
Big and hardy.
Yes.
Like a soup.
I can take that from this guy.
I don't know if I'm going to take that from the.
I mean, you're hiding in a hoodie over there, but let's let's be honest.
No, I mean, you know, the three try to dig up.
Like a wide.
Yeah.
Big.
Too dainty.
Yeah.
No, it's okay.
No, let's get into this.
Okay.
Yeah.
So.
So I need a plus size performance car.
Like a charger.
A charger.
Are you like Lexus LC?
I've driven a long hood guy.
I've driven and they're nice.
That's I can't, but I want to do something classic.
I have a modern car.
Oh, it's okay.
I think so.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I think I could do anything up to like the 2000s.
Mm hmm.
Yeah.
I looked at the 360 Ferrari.
Yeah.
That's that's a possibility.
You could do.
I mean, that's pretty much because you're not going to go through 48 and I know through
the five.
No, I'm not going to go for 30 and then everything else is just out of that.
It's just going to be, yeah, you can go like old Maserati.
No, you can't.
You can.
Like how old?
I mean, I, I, I like help me a good decade.
Yeah, they're all bad.
I don't know.
I like that.
Sixties.
It's going to bankrupt them.
Yes.
Oh, they're all bad.
They're all.
I mean, I could go Alpha, maybe a little.
Alpha.
Yes.
Yeah, but those are pretty dainty.
Not like they are like a GTV.
You cannot go from 308.
Alpha.
No, he'd have to go to like Julia, Spider.
Even then.
Yeah.
But that's so slow.
Yeah.
That's the problem.
Yeah.
Is I'd miss the performance.
Yeah.
I think you need.
That's what made the.
Jag.
Like an E type.
But an E type.
No, you're not an E type.
You're not an E type.
And that is a small people's car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What about really old XK120?
No.
Open top, Malibu car.
Too slow.
XK120?
Yeah.
You'd go 150.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no.
No, but keep going.
Keep going.
I mean, we're really here for Diego today, but.
We really are.
So Diego, do you want to give us a pitch about why we're talking to you right now?
Yeah.
So I think best in class has space for a different format.
Oh, God, you're going to actually pitch it.
Okay.
Go ahead.
You can't tell an ad man not to pitch.
I know.
I know.
Okay.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Because we know a lot of people who are constantly buying cars.
Yes.
They shouldn't be, but they do.
And sometimes they might, you know, they might be on a journey and want to find out or get
opinions about what they should buy next.
Sure.
Or they might need to be dissuaded.
More likely.
More likely.
So I think, you know, a certain Malibu resident over here.
And I do think it's a take on, it's not like, if you decide on one, it's like which one
of those is the best that you should get.
Yes.
Or whatever.
Yes.
Or categorically.
Yes.
So for me, I'm looking for my next mistake.
Love it.
Which would replace the also amazing and reliable Ford Maverick.
Yes.
Love that car.
You're getting rid of that.
I thought you love that car.
I do, but I'd have to.
So I'm like searching for a new daily.
Okay.
Can't.
Doesn't make sense to have it.
Plus now, like with the Land Rover Discovery experience.
It's kind of like, yeah, if I need a truck.
Yeah.
They don't cost anything.
Yeah.
You have that quiver in your.
Yeah, exactly.
The arrow in your quiver.
And you know, here's the truth.
My, my fun cars are often not working.
So I would like to have something that is always working.
That can do the fun car thing.
So I'm hearing more modern.
So maybe be a better mechanic or like nothing works.
Well, the Datsun.
What happened to that?
Yeah.
So the Datsun.
It just, so the problem with that car is that ordering parts is, is like walking through
hell on bloody stumps.
The people who procure the parts.
Sure.
Are, you know, all ego maniacal old dudes with websites from 1989.
And they do.
Did you do any research when you got this car?
Like how hard it was going to be a part.
So Steve, rare cars.
They're amazing.
Everyone wants a rare car.
Okay.
And then you try to get.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
And then you're screwed.
Yes.
Okay.
So that's, that's, so that's failure one.
What about the little Lotus thing?
The Lotus.
Also.
Well, it.
And it looks like an Eddie Munster car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know, like, as we've, as we've noted before, you know, I'm not the slightest guy.
No, no.
You're, you're pouring yourself into that thing.
Yeah.
Exactly.
I'm, I'm, I'm on a fitness journey.
I'm.
Oh.
I'm trying to.
The beginning or end.
The very beginning.
Obviously.
To try to like be more comfortable driving that car.
Okay.
But also the last time.
It's an interesting way to say sit down, but okay.
Yeah.
Um, that's my motivation though.
Okay.
What are you working out today to be more comfortable driving my car?
Okay.
Be more comfortable driving.
All right.
So too rare, too fat.
Too.
Too fat.
Okay.
What else do we have?
And, and well, that's, I will, the discovery, not that it's a fun sports car, anything like
that, but if we're talking about.
Too dumb.
Yeah.
It's just, it's, it's like.
It's got stolen.
What?
The cat's got.
A lot of converters got stolen.
Wow.
And they just haven't had like the motivation or time to like straight pipe it.
Okay.
Okay.
So he doesn't have the time, but I know for a fact he was playing video games last night.
Like he's at the time to be clear.
Just no motivation.
No motivation.
You don't say that.
You don't say that fit by going outside.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So.
Okay.
So we have one car that's suitable for anything.
Yes.
Okay.
And I want to get rid of that for probably less reliable car, but.
Okay.
Not so unreliable.
Like it should be.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
So it has to work.
Two doors.
Okay.
All right.
And back seats.
Back seats.
Two doors.
Big enough for a child or dog.
Poodle.
Yeah.
Poodle.
Okay.
Rear wheel drive.
Rear wheel drive.
Okay.
Do you have a list in your head already?
I do.
Okay.
And I've test driven several cars, which is not something I normally buy on impulse.
Yeah.
Which has been working.
It's been really.
Yeah.
Just really working.
Okay.
How I got the Datsun was I was looking for an E30 vert.
Yeah.
Okay.
And the guy, I saw the Datsun in the guy's like garage and I was like, well, how about
that instead?
And yeah.
So.
Wow.
Here we are.
Here we are.
What a story.
Hasn't moved since October.
We already talked about the Datsun.
Okay.
So for the dedicated listeners, I didn't want to rehash the whole story.
No one listens.
No one listens.
Yeah.
Certainly not.
All right.
So do you want to go through the ones you've test driven?
Yes.
Okay.
If that's.
Yeah.
Do you want to do it?
I'll allow it.
Okay.
Cool.
So the first car I test drove in this journey is the E36 M3.
Can you tell for regular people what that is?
Like not just like what year is that?
It was, it's a, so the E36 M3 was the follow up to the 80s E30 M3.
Okay.
Yeah.
So we're in the, what are we in the mid 80s?
The 90s.
90s.
Okay.
So it was made from like 91 or 92 to 1998.
All right.
It is everything I've said.
So it's two door.
Okay.
Has rear wheel drive manual.
You know, it's the M version of the three series from the 90s.
This one in particular was black, I think, and it belonged to a buddy.
Okay.
So it's 25 years old, 30 years old already.
Okay.
So you want to, you're thinking that's going to be a reliable solution.
Well, so those are reliable.
Okay.
You know, they're, yeah, they're reliable.
They're just, they're just kind of, so the, my, when I drove it, my, my issues with it
are that it's, it's a little, I don't know, chintzy on the interior.
In what way?
On the interior?
Yeah.
The build is like, it's, it's actually kind of shocking for, you know, the high trim
of a BMW.
Yeah.
But I mean, interiors have progressed so much in the last couple of decades.
But you're not getting it from the interior.
And what do you, I mean, you're going to, is this a regular driver?
Yeah.
It's a daily driver.
I don't think you should go that old, but agreed.
So we, you know, I drove it.
It's, it's while I was driving it, the fucking shift knob popped off.
That happens.
That happens.
That's the feature.
Well, you know, I'm just kind of like, yeah, I don't want to deal with something.
That has like every little, oh, it just needs a little this and a little that, you know.
And it's also slow.
So, you know, and something I guess I'm also looking for in, in the next car is something
with a little bit more power.
Okay.
And speed.
So that you're ready to progress on your horsepower journey.
Exactly.
So many journeys.
Well, when you're moving more weight, it takes more power.
I was going to say that.
Exactly.
Yeah.
You would know, Steve.
Hey, hey.
Yeah.
I'm just nothing I can do about it.
I'm not going to do that.
Yeah.
It literally is, but okay.
I mean,
Have you tried the Weight Watchers app?
No.
The app?
Yeah.
It's what the kids are doing these days.
Is that where you're on?
Okay.
It's not working.
Hey, I just started.
I lost 10 pounds in the first week.
Here we go.
I think you found them.
Anyway.
Okay.
We got one BMW.
What's next?
It's, I mean, if it's just keep going, we got to get through this.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
All right.
Geez.
Yeah.
So then the next car I drove was an E46 M3.
Another.
Okay.
We're taking bold leaps here.
Okay.
So I found this one online being sold by a, like a, a used EV dealership.
Okay.
Don't know why they had this car.
I didn't really care.
It wasn't like the particular car was, I'm not like, I'm going to buy that one.
I was just like, I want to drive it.
So I went and drove it and, and I like it a lot.
It also had, I mean, this particular one had like a lot of like, oh, it only had the,
the valet key and there was like a dent in the deck lid and it was an odd duck.
It was, it was, it was stolen.
Yeah.
Kind of has that vibe.
To be honest, I still get emails from this EV dealer.
It's like the price is lower.
Like, yeah, you got to give that thing away.
What else?
Anything non BMW on the list?
No, it's all BMWs.
Okay.
Okay.
This is, this is a fascinating list so far.
Okay.
Well, I mean, you guys are here to beat it.
Okay.
Okay.
Anyway, then the, the next one is in M2 competition.
Okay.
Much more modern.
Yeah.
Much more modern.
Possibly under warranty still.
Yes.
That's under 40 K.
It is.
Okay.
Well, okay.
No.
So the M2, the M2 is the M2 competition tends to be 50 K.
Okay.
What year is that?
It is a 2018 and newer.
Okay.
Okay.
Not like, I like this idea of better as a regular driver.
Right.
Okay.
Not the new generation of the boxy one.
It's the one right before.
Okay.
I drove one and it is really fast.
Yeah.
Compared to a 90s BMW.
It's a lot of car.
Compared to, it might be the fastest car I've ever driven.
Definitely.
Probably.
And it actually freaked me out.
I'm like, no, I'm too shitty of a driver to handle this.
Okay.
But that's when I went to the M2.
So the M2 and the E46 M3 are kind of similar in power.
One, the E46 M3 is 333 horsepower.
Sure.
And the M2 is like 350.
Okay.
So not crazy.
But it's, you know, a 2018.
I feel like you're a BMW, like you're just on that.
Which is okay.
Should we just keep it to that brand?
It doesn't have to be.
Because, you know, the other ones that I've been looking at,
but I just haven't driven or whatever, like I have in my mind,
is like an Evora 2 plus 2.
Yeah.
I wanna, where did this, the BMW fixation for this particular purchase occur?
I think a big part of it is just easy availability.
Sure.
There's a lot of these cars.
Yeah.
Okay.
Because people are always selling them.
What year is the Evora?
The Evora is, I think, I'm not an X, but it's like 2014 or whatever.
10 years old.
Let's just say.
Yeah.
10 years old.
You know, doesn't have like Apple CarPlay or whatever.
That's okay.
But you can get, but it's got those, that barely back seats,
but you could put it on.
It's got barely, but you can put it on.
Another one launched in 2008.
Yeah.
Quite a while ago.
And it was killed in 2021.
Okay.
There you go.
All right.
That's a decent daily.
It is.
And it's like 46.
It's unique.
It's unique.
Interesting.
It has a Toyota engine.
It's not crazy powered.
It's not crazy powered, but it is.
Is that a four or six?
Four.
Four.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
What else?
Don't quote me on that.
I think the only other thing, and this breaks the rule of like.
Nope.
There's no rules.
No one's even listening.
Well, the back seat, but like there are a Corvette.
A Corvette.
Aston Martin.
Oh.
Vantage.
Vantage.
Yeah.
Okay.
V8 Vantage from like that same E46 era, like 2003.
You're going to have some maintenance.
Yeah.
Right.
So like that's kind of the.
Yeah.
And it goes bad.
Yeah.
Okay.
But damn, wouldn't it be nice to say, Hey darling, should we take the Aston tonight?
From 2004.
I don't need to mention the year.
It's not the same.
Okay.
What else is that?
That's a pretty good list.
Yeah.
That's kind of, yeah.
Okay.
So open, open to anything that's just in that.
Now it seems like we're going European.
Most likely.
Most likely.
Okay.
Okay.
There was a time where I was thinking about like, Oh, but it's way too expensive and
stupid.
And it's like the dark horse Mustang.
Okay.
Okay.
That's like brand new and it's like $70,000.
But there's a bunch of mustangs with a ton of horsepower and back seats.
There are, but like the only, the only ones of like, I don't know.
The only ones that appeal to me are like the newest generation for whatever reason.
Okay.
I think they look the best and probably have the nicest interior.
But would you go Mustang?
Not unless it was probably not.
Okay.
Okay.
Cause I was going to suggest that Nate wanted me to suggest Mustang.
So I had to throw it in there.
Yeah.
It's just, it, it feels too cheap on the interior.
And I know to you, Steve, the interior doesn't matter.
No, I mean, you drive a little Lotus toy.
Like it's not, it's not your interior.
Well, it's not the daily, but yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, so, um, but okay.
Okay.
I think we start throwing out some options for us.
So obvious candidate.
Why not the Corvette?
Like the seat.
There's no back seats.
It would be like a C five.
There's no back seats.
Yeah.
There's no back seats.
Yeah.
That's fair.
Okay.
That was like, that was like the main.
Did you listen to anything?
I tried not to.
That's obvious candidate.
Where have you been?
9-11.
Okay.
Which 9-11?
Which one would you be happy with?
For that money?
Yeah.
9-9-6.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe 9-9-7.
Maybe.
9-9-6.
9-9-6.
You'd probably get like something interesting, like a C four S, but you want rear wheel drive.
Yeah.
The 9-9-6.
Maybe a turbo.
I don't know.
It's kind of like you settled for that 9-11.
Oh, but it's a great car.
It is.
It is a great car.
I know.
Now, because it's just coming out of the valley of despair that all 9-11s go through.
Right now, as you settled in about five years, it won't be because then it'll be the 9-9-7.
No, the 9-9-7 is better.
Yeah.
The 9-9-7 is much better.
Yeah.
But you could get one for in the 40s.
The 9-9-7.
Yeah.
A little bit of miles on it.
Sure.
I haven't looked at it.
So the worry with, well, it's like if something goes wrong, it's going to cost a lot of money.
Yep.
Because their brake calipers are like 10 grand each or whatever.
I mean, you can get, for 40 in the 40s, you could get a nice 9-9-7 for sure.
I wasn't aware of that.
That's definitely.
Yeah.
In the 40s, that would be sick as hell.
Yeah.
How fast are they?
Too fast.
Too fast, right?
Yeah.
What's their, yeah.
What horsepower?
The base, I want to say 350.
Oh, okay.
That's not bad.
So you'd be just fine.
Yeah, I'd be just fine.
What are you looking at?
What did you find?
I'm just looking for prices.
Okay.
And the really, really nice ones at auction, 52 grand.
Yeah.
That's not bad.
Yeah.
And you'd be happy with that.
Yeah.
You'd be in a Porsche, which is, you know, but it would work.
It would work.
Yeah.
You know, you're saying a Porsche in a negative sense?
Of course he is.
I am just saying that it's the daily driving issue.
I think.
If you start driving that Lotus five days a week, it's not going to survive.
I worked at that dealership and those things came back.
Oh, the Evora.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's not going to survive.
They just didn't make enough of them.
It's not, it's not designed to be, you know, and you like never see them around.
Correct.
You know, because there's a reason for that.
It's just, it's, you know, and then where are you going to get it service?
Where are you going to take it?
Well, that's the thing.
You have to take it to like Glendora to the one dude.
You'll see it again in like three.
So it's just, it's just, if it wasn't your daily, I'd say.
Right.
Cool.
You know.
Yeah.
And Mustangs out.
Yeah.
We tried GR Corolla and you're like, Nope, can't do it.
Even that would be a super fun car and you would love it.
I don't know.
No.
No, you say you're, that's okay.
Just throw it out there.
Yeah.
And you wouldn't do, we're going to like no American stuff.
No.
Would you do an alpha?
The new four door, like even a few year old Julia.
I like those.
But they're all automatic.
Oh, you want manual?
Yeah.
Oh, I don't remember that.
The rules just keep popping up.
I don't remember that being early on.
That wasn't, or stated, but yeah, I think.
Oh, hold on.
Okay.
You have no choice.
Yeah.
I mean, good luck in a 997 manual.
I mean, no way.
Oh, there we go.
Yeah.
You're going to, I mean, it's not.
Well, I'm glad I don't have to think about it anymore.
2010, 911, 40 grand, 108,000 miles.
Is it a manual though?
Automatic.
Yeah.
18 owners.
Yeah.
That doesn't matter now.
But no, you could probably still find one because I had a 997 two years ago and it wasn't,
it was a manual base and it wasn't, it was probably, I think I paid probably that for it,
50 or something or 40 or something.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everything in that price range is tip chronic.
Right.
Yeah.
Can't do that.
I also think you need desire, want more flavor than a 911.
You like to let your freak flag fly.
But he's got the other cars for that.
Exactly.
The 911 would work.
Like it doesn't have to be.
It's an appliance.
It says I hate joy.
It doesn't have to be king.
It says I wear military boots.
That's your, that's, that's, that's you.
That's why you have one.
That's why I have one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It says, you know, we're creatives.
We're artists.
It's different.
I think it's too normal for you.
Yeah.
Okay.
But there's no other two door rear wheel drive with back seats.
Does the original Viper have back seats?
No.
No, definitely.
None of them do.
I think the other thing.
So again, to break my own rule would be like a Cadillac CTV or whatever.
CTSV.
Great car.
Manual.
It is four doors, but it's fine.
I don't know what price range those are in.
You'd probably be okay.
I think you get in your price range, but you drive Cadillac around.
I mean, that thing's badass.
Okay.
I'm just, I mean, you're all over the place.
That's the thing, Steve.
I'm always all over the place.
Okay.
Audi TT.
That's 2000.
Well, those don't have back seats.
Yeah.
Too small.
You're not getting in those.
Yeah.
Come on.
Yeah.
Your head would be above the roof.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's safe.
Yeah.
Okay.
What are we thinking?
I know.
I can see what you're looking at, Adam.
And the Audi R8, that's not going to be cheap enough.
No, that's insane.
Some Mercedes Benz Coupe, big engine monster thing, like a C63 or whatever.
Exactly.
Exactly.
The only one that like was weirdly interesting is like the E63 AMG.
You're going mid-range.
Okay.
But like the four door version of those, like say 10 years ago or something, were
monsters of cars.
They were.
Yes.
They were like so fast.
Yeah.
And you would, you would, but you want a two door, but they wouldn't be manual.
They're not going to be manual.
They're not going to be manual.
That's the thing with Mercedes Benz.
They're allergic to the manual.
You have other ideas?
Me?
Yeah.
No, you've shot them all down.
That was it.
That was your entire list.
That was my entire research.
Civic Type R.
Civic Type R.
That's a weird one.
No, I don't like it.
No, I know, but it would be weird.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's like a high schoolers car.
Uh, WRX?
No, I hate that car.
No.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
No, no, no, no.
Yeah.
Thanks.
Thanks for the option.
I think we came in.
They don't have any back seats.
They don't have back seats.
Otherwise, I really like those.
Yeah.
I really like those.
But it's a hatchback.
You could put the dog back there.
No.
Sure you can't.
No, it's right there.
It's right.
I mean, you used to stuff a great date into a fiat.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, what about a, um, what was the,
the six cylinder GTI that was a manual?
Remember those?
Aren't those like front wheel drive?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
You're really making this narrow.
Okay.
Um,
I don't want to be a GTI guy.
I can see.
I think this M2 manual might be your thing.
That's what you're looking at, huh?
Yeah.
Yeah.
M2 with the Laguna or sorry, the Long Beach blue.
Oh, you're getting hyper specific.
Yeah.
Okay.
But it would work.
It would work because we're very limited.
And at 2018, they have Apple CarPlay.
Oh God.
That's the LCI.
I mean, yeah, just get a, why don't you just get a Tesla at this point?
You just feel like you just want to have an iPad to drive around in.
Because it has Apple CarPlay.
Is it that big of a deal for your, for your,
Well, it's not that big of a deal.
You've sent your Land Rover to the dealer for about six months to fix your microphone
for phone calls.
And you're yelling at him about technology.
I drive a people transport.
He's talking about, he wants a sports car.
It doesn't have to have it.
I'm just saying it's a benefit.
Okay.
Okay.
I just feel like that's kind of what you already have your heart set on.
No.
You should go with that.
So I actually, what I have my heart set on is,
You know, Guan.
Yeah.
Is 360.
He hasn't.
No.
He has an E 46 M three.
Okay.
And it's like,
Oh, that's a great idea.
Go back.
We got to bring that one up.
What was that?
No manual.
Oh, what is it?
BMW I eight.
Get to use one of those.
Oh, come on.
You would totally have people.
Oh, that's not a manual either.
F type.
Not a manual.
No, and I've driven enough type.
I didn't love it.
Okay.
It was, it was, it was very soulless.
It just unfortunate.
I'm just trying to think.
And you wouldn't, you wouldn't, you have to have the dog in there.
He can't send the passenger seat.
You need your passenger.
No, cause just in case, you know,
What's that?
Just in case my,
You don't want to choose between the wife and the dog.
Yeah.
Well, you still have another car, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But, you know, if we want to go together somewhere.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
It's a fully kitted out turbo wide body,
spend all the money on it.
BRZ Toyota 86.
No, no.
I knew that would come up.
Yeah.
But I really don't like those cars.
Yeah.
Ruin.
Yeah.
I wish like the four C had a backseat.
And manual.
That's a tiny car.
You're not getting in that.
Those days were gone.
Cause I looked at those two and I'm like, this looks silly.
It is kind of silly, but yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
For the money, they're like, if you're,
If you're like a dude in your 30s.
For the money.
It's harder to get a sexier car than the alpha four C.
It's just too small.
You have to be a little person.
Yeah.
You have to be petite and you have to be like in charge of IT or something.
And that's like, yeah.
Yeah.
That's that, that car ruined it for me.
Yeah.
Cause I looked at him and I was like, oh, um, what else?
I think so 997, if you could find it, which is possible.
I mean, I, I dread to think of the 997 manual in that price range.
What, what like mental acrobatics you have to do to justify like the.
Yeah.
Six owner.
There's accidents.
There's an accident.
Hmm.
Okay.
13 Volvo.
Oh, this 30 Polestar manual.
That's going to be front wheel drive.
I don't even know what.
Yeah.
I don't even know what that card looks like.
Look at it.
This is, this says you.
I cannot.
It would bring out your eyes.
I cannot.
It's the tiny little hatchback that had five cylinders.
Okay.
It probably is front wheel drive.
Yeah.
It probably is.
I have beaten the hell out of one of those.
That's a lot of fun.
That car is tough.
I mean, but you have, I mean, yeah.
You can't go back to Volvo.
You're, you're, you're stuck on that manual thing.
Okay.
All right.
CTSV is interesting.
CTSV is M2 non-comp is interesting.
I would take M2 over the Cadillac.
Because of build or like.
Just build and just, I just think it would be better.
Why do you think the Evora is going to break?
It's a Toyota engine.
The engine's fine, but everything around it is not.
Yeah, but there's nothing in the car to break.
It's just, it's just the, all I know is that they're always coming back.
And every time people want, they always brought it back.
And they were, you just, just maintenance, maintenance, maintenance, not maintenance,
but like something was wrong with repairs, something was wrong with them.
There's not much to those cars.
No, but you just don't see them.
It's like, where are they?
Like, you know.
Yeah.
I, I do actually, I see more like a leases and.
Yeah.
Than Evoras.
But yeah, I mean, but you could get that's not fair.
It's not that they ever sold in very large numbers.
Well, I don't think you're getting like, well, you could,
you're talking about like a base Evora, right?
Evora two plus two.
Yeah, but you're not getting like the GT or anything.
No, nothing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I mean they might, I just, I just see so few of them and I think it's just weird.
Yeah.
I'm not dead set on it for a lot of reasons.
Yeah.
Like it's cool and it'd be like, oh, a Lotus and.
Sure.
You know, it has that exotic feel or whatever, but I think that there's not a lot of them.
And it's just like, yeah, trouble when trouble pops up, it's not going to be a quick fix.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Yeah, I think, but it's interesting and it's manual and maybe, you know, maybe Lotus
needs you.
Maybe the Evora needs you and you get, then that's your thing.
I just feel like, I don't know how the BMW is going to be a better car.
Yes.
So I feel like that's, that's kind of the route, but we got some old GTRs.
Those haven't gone down in price yet.
No, no, no, but like a, like a early 2000s GTR.
Like a, like a Nissan.
Yeah.
I was trying to price them and I couldn't find.
Have those gone down in value?
I don't think so.
I think they're still sixies.
I have no, I've never had an interest in those cars.
No.
Backseat.
Not manual.
It does have a backseat.
Yeah.
No manual.
No manual.
It is like interesting, but I don't know.
I've never, you like those, Adam?
I have driven them and they are completely soulless.
They're soulless.
There's a reason why everyone puts an exhaust kit on theirs.
Cause you can't hear the car when you're inside of it and it is attempting to bring some emotion
into it, but you're so disconnected from that car.
You're going crazy fast and you just don't feel it.
There's no emotion in that car at all.
Yeah.
So that's, that's what I've heard about like the M two is, and obviously I drove the comp,
which just feels like it'll be a totally different car.
And then that's what they say.
It's a completely different engine from the M two.
Yeah.
It's the M three engine.
Yeah.
It's the M three engine.
So the GT is in your range.
It'd be interesting, but that's not your, that's not your jam.
I get it.
The GT.
The GT.
What are you talking about?
The GTR.
Oh, it's in the price range.
Yeah.
If you got like a used, a used one, like 2010.
Yeah.
Yeah.
First, first year of the new GTR, the R 35.
Yeah.
How, like how many miles are you seeing?
I don't know.
I'm just, I'm just giving ideas.
I thought you have like a little add up.
Um, I mean, I, I don't know.
I'm sure there's some miles on it.
I just back seats.
This is tough.
Yeah.
I can, I can satisfy most of your requirements, but there's always one.
Well, the manual and back seats don't generally go hand in hand.
Yeah.
Fair.
Yeah.
It's true.
This is why BMW ends up being like the options.
What color did you say you're getting?
I don't care about the color.
That, that one.
No, you had, you had something.
Oh, right.
Sorry.
What was it?
Long beach blue.
Yeah.
I think either one of your requirements has to go.
It would probably be the back seat before manual.
Really?
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Is there anything weird you would want to import from Japan or Europe?
Ooh.
I don't want to go through like the importing.
Yeah.
But let's just pretend you're fun.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Be whimsical.
Yeah.
For the sake of entertainment.
Yeah.
Do you want to?
I mean, nothing's going to be cheap.
Yeah.
Nothing's going to be.
It's like.
No.
No.
Pujos.
No.
What about like a McGahn, was it a McGahn RS or something?
Yeah.
Yeah.
A Renault.
A Renault.
I don't know what that car is.
Yeah.
It's a Golf.
It's a Golf.
But it's going to be front-wheel drive.
This is what you want, huh?
A hot hatch.
It's a modern hot hatch.
Yeah.
It is.
It's just.
Yeah.
Those.
Those cars are just.
You could maybe get an FD, 3rd gen RX7 and I would murder you.
A 4th.
Maybe.
In that price range?
Maybe.
No way.
Okay.
I purposely don't look at these because I would attempt a.
A new RX7.
There's no such thing as a new.
Or whatever.
That one that you destroyed that year.
It was at the 90s.
Yeah.
It's the 90s.
It's the.
One of the most beautiful cars.
Rotary.
Yeah.
And you wouldn't do that.
Pop up headlights.
So many reasons I wouldn't do that.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Rotary engine.
No thanks.
I mean the Cayman you can't put the dog can sit in the shelf.
It's not bad.
Cayman is so great.
I know the Cayman is like.
It is.
It is.
I love the way that car looks.
I've never driven one, but.
Be hard to get a manual, but.
Yeah.
You can get the.
Remember the old green one.
The R.
Yes.
Okay.
Why not.
Put the money into an engine swapped classic.
You can get the body.
What would you do?
Get the manual.
You can get real drive.
Like what?
It's an LS or something.
And you're just going for style at that point.
Well, manual swaps are sorry.
Engine swaps aren't like the.
The like reliability solve that a lot of people dream that it is.
No, they never work.
Let's see if he puts it together.
How dare you?
How dare you?
How many?
How long was the Cayenne off the road?
Only a year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's quite the pitch.
What about are you?
Are you kind of a BMW guy versus Mercedes?
Not necessarily.
Yeah, I can see the CLA.
Not a manual.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's the problem with with Mercedes.
They're awesome.
Like I love their roadsters, whatever that's called the SLs from like the 90s.
Audi RS5.
I don't even know.
Is that like a sedan?
It's a two door coupe.
It's you can be had in manual.
What is it?
The RS5.
Okay.
It's got a back seat.
That comes in manual.
I bet it does.
No way.
No way.
Because the RS is the sport line.
No, no chance.
No chance.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Because the four is the four door like sedan.
The five was the swoop back.
I'm surprised you know anything about Audi.
No, it's not.
There's no way.
There's no way.
There's no way.
I was like, yeah, no.
No factory manual.
No chance.
Ever?
Oh, not recently.
Like the Sportback and the
RS5 is not that old of a car.
The
Yeah.
Audi to me.
Yeah, it seems like you completely.
Yeah.
Looked at them.
No, I don't know.
I have like a version to Audi for whatever.
2015 comes with a manual.
Oh, okay.
Your internet sucks.
Well, sorry.
I didn't go and do a full history.
I was just, you know, 10 years old.
Okay.
All right.
Steve is a first hit on Google type of guy.
Yeah.
Now it's just the AI suggestion or whatever.
Oh, totally.
100%.
100%.
He's like, that's it.
Done.
I like my intelligence artificial.
What can I say?
All right.
So we got, it seems like the BMW is it.
Are we?
We literally got nowhere.
But.
And you're convinced M2.
Yeah.
You think M2 is the one, not the E46.
Oh, no.
The old one?
No.
Why?
Just cause it's old.
Yeah.
It's like, it's just, what are you doing?
It's not going to work.
You don't have a history of success.
Right.
You need, you will, you will fall in love with a car that works.
And then you can go do all the little meetups and different hoodies.
And, uh, yeah, which is important.
Yeah.
You can eat it.
No problem.
If you have to choose.
Yeah.
Between whatever it is, a 2010s, 2006, whatever it is, E46.
Or a new wish M2, a three year old M2, you got to do the M2.
Yeah.
Why?
Because.
It's better in every way.
And then you can, you can sink your time into your vintage cars and keep those running
and have fun with those.
You'll have a great daily driver with 300 horsepower.
You'll have tons of fun.
And when you want to have lots of fun and really go to the ragged edge, you get in the
Lotus, you get in the Dots and something like that.
It will work all the time.
So you think the E46 M3 is also, we'll have like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just too old.
It's just too old.
It's just too old.
It's not old enough.
It's in that, it's in that bad time period.
Well, from what I understand, like the S 52.
I don't even care about reliability.
It's just those pieces are 20 years old.
The pieces, the plastics in the engines, the plastics in the interior, the activators
in the, in the vents, all sorts of things are just going to start going.
The seat.
It's a seat motor.
Yeah.
Just, when was the last time you had a, well, a newer sports car?
When I test drove the M2 comp.
Well, I know.
I mean, when is the last time you owned a modern sports car?
Never.
Okay.
So you have to do it.
Because I've never done it.
Yeah.
No, cause you, you'll understand like that's, you're like, Oh, this is so much more fun.
Okay.
And then you're going to focus on driving it.
You're going to go longer distances.
You can go on road trips because it works and it opens up all the possibilities.
That's why you get a modern car.
You know, I vote vintage generally always.
Yeah.
That's why I'm shocked about for a daily, but you have a sense.
Yes.
You have vintage.
Yeah.
You're already broken.
So have a daily driver.
That's still fun that you can still have fun on, on ramps and take to the canyons and
then you have and take the dog.
So I want the dog to be safe.
Yes.
I don't think the dog safe in an old BMW.
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Think about the dog.
Uh, I, yeah.
Okay.
Well, so I, in truth, I was leaning E 46.
I'm a three.
No, I know you were.
Yeah.
And I am now not.
I know.
I was there with you all the time.
This is a weird, uh, independence day situation where you two have aligned.
I've gold bloomed you.
Yeah.
Well, I mean that you two have actually come to agree on this.
Stephen, I always agree on everything.
Well, there you are.
We agree on giving good advice.
That's what it is.
What you think is good advice doesn't always, uh,
if there's one thing on this planet that I've learned, it is then when someone comes to
you and says, Hey, I want help buying a new car.
What should I do?
They never listen.
Oh, no, I'm listening.
I have given this advice so many times and they're like, yeah, I know, you know, the
CRV or the Miata.
I just really wanted the Jaguar.
Yeah.
So I bought it.
Yeah.
No, I'm not making that mistake.
That is why I have called this meeting together.
Yeah.
Cause but and I want to enjoy, I want to see you in the Aurora cause I know you'd love
it.
Cause I know you have the clothes and the key chain.
Yeah.
I have all the stuff, but I can buy new stuff.
Yeah.
I'm just saying is that it's just you're going to be that like soul person.
I don't know.
In the Aurora, it's not, it's just not going to work.
All that's like, I know that's the problem with the Aurora.
It's just, it's just not.
I am also giving you advice that I have not taken.
That's fine.
My daily is a 1970.
Yes and no.
My other car.
Not really.
You have the, what'd you drive here tonight?
Exactly.
No, I have CRV.
But Diego also has access to his wife's Lexus, I want to say.
It's a BMW X1.
X1.
So he has.
Oh, there's another car.
He has the same access.
You're like Howard Hughes.
What are you doing?
Howard Hughes.
He has the same access.
How many numbers do you have?
His planes work.
Yeah.
Then, oh, if you don't need the car, you just want that photo.
I do need it though, because if she's, you know, goes to work.
Leaves you.
Oh, yeah.
She leaves me.
I need a way to move my stuff out of that.
He has enough cars that things are going to be running.
He has access to the X1.
I'm trying to think.
I'm thinking of the image.
You're on PCH.
You're driving.
You got the lady.
You got the dog.
Is the BMW the vintage one a convertible?
No.
I don't want a convertible.
Because I have the dots in.
That's true.
That doesn't work.
The car doesn't work.
It doesn't count.
It will.
It just doesn't.
It doesn't count.
We are so close.
It doesn't count.
It doesn't count.
I've seen your frustration with the dots in.
And I feel that's also a tiny car.
The E46 is going to repeat it the first time it breaks.
I had the A-bar that I loved.
Yes.
But then I got like a, you know, plus size car.
It's just better for us.
I'm just saying.
I'm telling you.
I love that Fiat.
And I thought I was the coolest person around.
Zipping around again.
But you're not.
You're not.
You just, yeah.
Get the M2.
And then you're going with that color though.
We can't convince you of something else.
What other color?
Anything but that.
You don't like that color?
No.
Have you seen the color?
I mean, nobody wants a BMW in silver.
No.
But have you seen it?
Where is it?
I looked it up.
God damn it.
I don't know.
It's somewhere.
Close the tabs.
Yeah, you got too many tabs.
I got too many.
Yeah.
You got too many tabs.
Yeah, I like the E46.
But yeah, seeing you spend your energies on the two vintage ones.
That's tough.
Yeah, I know what the car.
That's the color.
That is a great color.
It is the best color on that car.
Yeah.
I think it also came in an orange or something.
No, it did not.
That's the best color.
It did not.
It came in a red, which I like the red too.
What's the history of Long Beach blue?
Is it because of they race down there?
What was it?
I don't know.
Real brand expert over here.
Yeah, I don't know.
Well, I thought like, I mean.
When I get the car, I might be.
Yeah, because they're generally named after racetracks.
Yeah, like Laguna's sake up blue like has a.
Why are they?
The BMW colors?
Yeah.
Laguna's sake up blue.
Yeah.
Okay.
Fun fact.
Well, you're going to need to know it if you get this.
Okay.
Long Beach doesn't have a racetrack.
It's just because they were going in the little bits.
Yeah.
But you know, Laguna's sake.
Okay.
Do they have like a Nürburgring green?
Yeah, I think so.
Probably right.
Yeah.
Because there's Dakar yellow or whatever.
Yeah.
Oh, that's such an ugly yellow.
It's bad.
Well, I mean, this blue, this is like a sickly blue, right?
Oh, it's so good.
It's such a good.
Maybe it's just the wrong.
Okay.
I think it's into.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
I would you be okay?
Oh, living in the shadow of our good friends in to comp.
Oh, yeah.
Or is that going to bother you?
Yeah, I don't care.
Okay.
He, he told me it took him like.
Nine months to get used to the power.
Yeah.
On that car.
Yeah.
And his is automatic.
Yep.
And.
I think you'll.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't.
It's not like I'm not like, oh, people are going to have faster cars,
more interesting cars than me.
Yeah.
I mean, not Steve, but other people will.
Nice.
Yeah.
Well, I did.
I did have an interesting car.
It was fast.
You didn't take care of it.
And I took great care of it.
You know what?
You know what?
That's, that's.
Did you ever like find out why or how?
No.
No.
It was so burned.
There was no way.
There wasn't.
It wasn't.
It wasn't.
There was no autopsy.
Be like, oh, I wonder where the fire started and started everywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, the car just so badly wanted to be read.
Yeah.
I think, uh, I don't know.
We never discovered.
Dang.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't really look into it too much to be honest.
It just burned so much.
So.
Well, we are nearing it on an hour.
So any last please for us or Steve, you want to go for the avoid one last time.
If you were going to go convertible in that classic BMW, because I could see you and the
lady and the dog PCH and you're giving your moment in the E 46 specifically, whatever
they're called, whatever those are.
Yeah.
Um, you could maybe get me there.
Well, funny enough, I will be driving a convertible E 46 M three next weekend with her to Santa
Barbara.
So that's kind of a thing.
That's the perfect drive.
Right.
It is.
So you read one.
Yeah.
I mean, I didn't rent one because I'm banned from Turro.
Yeah.
Because of the incident, because of the incident.
But my wife rented it.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Nice.
So the one in front of the computer though, we were doing like a retina scan.
I'm making a Turro account for you.
Okay.
Great.
She had one.
Yeah.
But that's the other thing too.
Like that's, that's is it?
Cause you're not looking for a rental car vibe of like, this is our occasional trip.
I think you would enjoy the M two by yourself or with a friend or with a dog or whatever,
way more than just cruising on PCH and a convertible.
You you're arguing for convertible.
Yeah.
Is that where you're at?
Yeah.
That's such a bad idea.
No.
I have like other cars.
I'm just saying.
They're convertibles.
Yeah.
They're all convertibles.
That's true.
Oh, this is a disco.
Yeah.
Have you never had a convertible daily?
The Mustang.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
I had a Boxter and I loved it.
Yeah.
I loved it.
Yeah.
I just don't want a convertible daily.
Okay.
Okay.
For it's just the wind noise and the.
No, sure.
You have enough convertibles in your life.
Okay.
Yeah.
M2 in this in this sickly blue.
And that's what we're going with, huh?
That's a long beach blue car.
Okay.
I mean, if you're into BMWs, but.
Yeah, it's funny, you know, I don't think I'm necessarily into BMW.
I mean, this also gets you into a nice Mondial, you know, mid 80s Ferrari Mondial.
I'm just saying for this kind of money, same money.
Yeah.
You can paint it blue.
You can have the worst car ever.
And I could, you could probably find one in long reach.
Yeah.
You could find one.
Definitely.
No, as interesting as that would be.
I terrified of Ferraris.
Okay.
I mean, it's a lifestyle choice.
It is definitely.
Yeah.
It's a choice.
I had to throw it out there that that does satisfy your requirements.
It doesn't have a backseat.
Yeah, it does.
Mondial.
The only four.
Well, it's not the only one, but it's not anymore.
But yeah.
I mean, if you could get like the 308 GT4, that's got backseat.
It'd be so cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Daily that thing.
Daily that.
But you just, you wouldn't last a week.
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The choices.
I drove the 308 when I first got it because I was so excited.
Yeah.
Daily for like two months.
Okay.
Yeah.
I did everything in it and it was so dumb.
Just because.
Sounds awesome, Steve.
Well, no, it was awesome.
But what I learned from the mechanic was he goes, you're wearing out these parts.
They're all hard to find.
Yeah.
Correct.
Yeah.
So he's like, I think it's awesome that you're driving all the time.
He's like, I love it.
My daughter's going to college.
It's just, it's just, it's just your, you know, you're wearing out the car to go get
groceries or to go get whatever to, you know.
Yeah.
That's so dumb.
Huh?
You have to take care of your car.
Yeah.
It's wearing out.
That's not how automobiles are supposed to work.
No, but the, but yeah, but you drive, you drive a much more common car.
Yes.
Correct.
Yeah.
So you can get parts everywhere.
It's different.
I'm driving art.
Yeah.
It's a different experience.
Yeah.
It goes up in flames.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what?
So there's a lot of things.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Now I have nothing.
Yeah.
Now I just poodle around.
Yeah.
A UN vehicle.
All right.
So cool.
This time next week, you're going to have an M2 in blue.
Are we, are we, are we that close?
Are you?
Well, he, I mean, next weekend, next weekend, next weekend, you're doing the job.
After my job.
Yeah.
That is, I think that is honestly the thing that, that's delayed me just having the car
already.
Yeah.
I think you drive the convertible version of the E46 up to Santa Barbara.
You're going to fall in love.
Well, yeah.
And if it's a lot of hours, if delete loves it, your wife, yes.
Which she also really liked the M2 comp.
Okay.
Yeah.
She was in the backseat and she was like swimming in that thing.
Okay.
Yeah.
That, that, that, that, that backseat is huge.
Weirdly.
But yeah.
You can't.
Yeah.
You just can't go, you need a modern car.
I think, I think you'd really like it.
I think you're going to fall in love with the E46 next weekend or whatever that is.
But I think you should get the M2.
Okay.
Yeah.
Does the E46 have car play?
No.
Okay.
Wasn't that a requirement?
It was not.
Yeah.
It was just a, it was a, it was not a requirement.
It was a nice to have.
Okay.
And it's, it's like, oh, hey, the M2 has it.
So if you want, for our listeners, both of them, if you want a manual, two door, rear
seats, reliable, fun car for under, is that under 50 or under 40?
Under 50.
Under 50.
Yeah.
BMW M2 is what we ended up with.
2018-ish.
2018.
You want the LCI.
What a boring world we're in.
Yeah.
You're kind of right, Steve.
You are kind of right.
Yeah.
That's, and that's basically your option.
Yes.
Exactly.
Cause I mean, like, even if you went loads of aura, you're, we're even finding one.
Well, they're there.
They're, I've, I've, I have a few saved.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's not like, like you go to a BMW dealer and there's a, you know, it's
like your Porsche, like you just throw everywhere.
You can get them all over the place.
Does it work?
It's a bummer that, that the Alpha Giulia is not manual.
Yeah.
Cause it is.
That, that would be nice.
I mean, and for the price, I mean, you can find such a good car.
It's, it's ridiculous.
Our friend Carter should have one.
Yes.
So you could have a car that works.
Correct.
And on brand for him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All that.
But have you, have you driven one?
No.
Oh, they're great.
Even as long as I've heard.
It's a great car.
That's what I've heard.
I've heard that.
And you have to have a manual, even though all your other cars are.
I'm on, I'm on board with that requirement.
Yeah.
Has to be manual.
Completely on board with that requirement.
You drive a CRV.
I mean, like, it always doesn't bother you that much and it's maroon.
Midlife crisis, maroon.
That's, that's, I don't want to think about a car.
I just get out and let's go.
Yeah.
I get that.
Which is basically what a daily is.
Right.
No.
No.
Cause.
Okay.
A daily that is a manual has the ability of making your otherwise boring commute somewhat
engaging.
Okay.
All right.
There are downsides.
Like you're like, fuck them in traffic or whatever.
I wonder, I mean, I'm trying to, do we know anyone that's driving an Evora at any amount
of.
I don't know.
Like anybody in the motor club that has an Evora that drives at any amount.
I just, I just don't see them.
Crazy rare.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They just never sold in big numbers.
No.
Yeah.
Well, they're expensive.
Well, they were expensive and the Elise existed.
So like.
It was a weird, like you need a family car, but you're doing a Lotus.
Yeah.
That was your choice.
But the, the, um, the lease is tiny.
The Evora was an actual.
But think about it.
If you're like, I want to, I want to Lotus sports car.
Yeah.
The Elise is like 30 grand cheaper.
Let's see.
And like.
No, let's not see.
It's not an hour.
Stop it.
We're over an hour.
We'll wrap it up.
Okay.
People will love this.
No, they won't.
No, they've already tuned out a while ago anyway.
No, they're, they're arguing cruise the internet.
Exactly.
They're arguing.
By themselves.
Yeah.
They're yelling.
Yeah.
We got facts wrong.
Oh, they totally did.
Yeah.
They have an idea for a car.
Even these, even the older Evoras are still expensive still.
Like the GTs, they're still, they're still up there.
The two plus two are cheaper.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
And does that get you under your range under your number?
Yeah.
Like 46, I think.
Hmm.
Okay.
Huh.
Yeah.
Still got to go BMW though.
I think you do.
If you don't want to hate yourself.
I just, you know what?
I'm just not as impressed with the look of the Evora.
It's, it's too, uh, it's too commonplace.
Really?
The Evora is.
No, no, I'm just saying it's not, it's not, when you look at it, you're like, oh, I mean,
it's got the Lotus badge on it, but it doesn't look distinctively.
You're crazy.
It, it does.
But I think when compared to other Lotus design of like similar cars, it is like the least.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Interesting.
For, yeah.
But it's, but you compare it to like a BMW or like whatever else it's going to look.
Sure.
Yeah.
It's going to look.
I just still can't believe how expensive these things are still.
I mean, yeah.
Freakin' Elises are 40, 50 K, you know?
I mean, a, wow.
A 2020 Lotus 4 GT is still 70 grand.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Huh.
All right.
I think you would look great in a 90s BMW eight class eight series.
Stop it.
You would look great.
But okay.
I will not suck us down that hole.
That's not, I mean, would you get, what is that eight series?
Yeah.
The maintenance is ridiculous.
Yeah.
Is that like a V eight?
They can be had in a V12.
Yeah.
No, that's of that era.
BMW V12 is asking, you're going to be driving six cylinders.
Okay.
We made it.
We made a determination.
Yes.
And I agree.
Okay.
I've been convinced.
Yeah.
I was, I was really trying to hold the flag, the Union Jack for the Savora.
No, you weren't.
You were the first one to shoot it down.
What are you talking about?
They're so expensive still.
Cause you've only sold nine of them here.
I just can't believe that almost a 10 year old Lotus of Bora is still in the 70s.
Yeah.
For a 400.
Is that the four seater?
No idea.
Sorry.
It's a Lotus of Bora 400.
Oh, I don't know.
Yeah.
Okay.
M2.
Okay.
We're doing it.
We've solved it.
But now you can't change your mind.
I can't change my mind.
No, but you can't get that 90s BMW.
Everyone I've given advice to never takes it.
And you're, you're driving it all the way to Santa Barbara.
Yeah.
It's not that unreliable.
Yeah.
The, the E46 M3 is like one of the more reliable.
No, I don't, I don't think it's going to be engine transmission.
And my point is going to be right.
It's like the fucking glove box.
Correct.
That's my point is the latch on the thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Here what you're saying.
Yeah.
Just cause it's old and those things have been used.
That's plastic.
The little stupid little motor that pushes out the back.
Which I love.
I absolutely love.
Yeah.
That's it.
Okay.
Steve.
Well, I think another success story is for the podcast that we helped him.
I mean, we only wasted an hour of his time, but we solved all his problems.
I think, I think you two should continue this podcast on without me.
For another hour.
I get to say, no, I just mean from now on, I can stay home.
What?
You guys can shop for cars.
It'll be great.
No.
No.
No.
Without you, there wouldn't be three of us.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We need that CRV vibe.
Why are you out?
I'm trying to get out of this.
Yeah.
He's always trying to get out of this podcast once.
Yeah, we did.
No, no, no.
That was, that was a, that was a mutual decision.
You guys are selling the podcast.
Dollar.
It's priceless.
Steve wouldn't let me.
It's priceless.
Steve wouldn't let me sell it.
All right.
Is that it?
Did we do it?
That's it.
Please.
We're over an hour.
Okay.
Diego, congratulations on your new BMW.
Yes, Diego.
I wish you guys could have gone up with something more interesting, but you've met my dilemma.
Yeah.
I solved the problem.
You are too specific in your needs.
We have to give real advice.
Like we could say, get the Mondial or get a 70 star, but it wouldn't work.
I am too specific in my, but it's also not anything enthusiasts wouldn't ask for.
The problem is they don't make these cars anymore.
No.
Would I love to see you in a three way GT forward the backseat?
Yeah.
It'd be awesome.
It'd be so cool.
Those things are so cool, but it might be cold outside one day and it might not start
or it might be hot and you just, yeah, the poodle would die.
Yeah.
Or you could get an accident and the poodle will die.
Yeah.
Like none of it's, it's, it's just, you wouldn't.
I mean, I want to believe, but yeah, you're not daily.
And also the kind of driving we do in LA.
Yeah.
It's not, it's not nice.
We've already lost Adam.
No moss.
No moss.
All right.
We're bouncing the rubble at this point.
Okay.
Let's get out of here.
Steve.
Good to see you.
Thank you.
What a treat.
Thank you.
Next podcast in a year.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
See you everyone.
Thank you.
Bye.
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About this episode
Diego's quest for a new car takes center stage as he discusses his options with Adam and Steve. The trio debates various models, weighing the pros and cons of classic versus modern vehicles. Diego leans towards a BMW M2, valuing reliability and performance, while also considering vintage options like the E46 M3. The conversation is filled with humor and insights into the challenges of car ownership, including maintenance and practicality. Listeners will enjoy the banter and the detailed exploration of what makes a car suitable for daily driving.
Apple CarPlay
automatic transmission
brake calipers
catalytic converter
E46
horsepower
Long Beach blue
Tesla
Alfa Romeo Giulia
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Audi R8
Audi RS5
Audi TT RS
BMW 3 Series
BMW 6 Series
BMW M2
BMW M3
BMW New Class
BMW X1
Cadillac CTS-V
Chevrolet Corvette
Dodge Charger
Dodge Viper
Ferrari 360
Ferrari F40
Ferrari Mondial 3.2 Cabriolet
Ford Maverick
Ford Mustang
Honda Civic
Honda CR-V
Jaguar E-Type
Jaguar XK120
Land Rover Discovery
Lotus Elise
Lotus Evora
Lotus Sport 420 Final Edition
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
Mazda RX-7
Polestar 3
Porsche 911
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche Cayman
Subaru WRX
Toyota GR Corolla
Volkswagen Bora
Original notes
Friend of the pod Diego wants to get a different car. It's apparently time to get rid of the Ford Maverick he currently daily drives and get himself a sporty car. But he has - of course - a few rules. More than a few actually. So he gives Steve and Adam the requirements and the arguments commence!
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