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Hey, what's going on, Automotive World, welcome to another episode of the Automotive Diagnostic
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My name is Sean Tipping.
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I'll be your host once again for this week's show.
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Thank you so much for joining me.
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You got just me on the show this week.
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I'm going to be talking about one of my favorite tools that only cost you $5.95
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if you go on Amazon, buy the same one I did.
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And yes, I realize the title of this episode is a little clickbaity, but it's true.
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So I will say that if you buy this tool and you learn some basic electricity fundamentals
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and then you go out there and you find diagnostic work, this tool will make you
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that much back and you got to have enough work to do.
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So how did I calculate this number?
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Well, first off, okay, what's the tool?
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It's a test light, an incandescent test light.
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I'm going to turn the episode off right here because you're like, okay.
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But I'm channeling my inner Paul Danner for this episode.
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But like really in real life, I use this freaking tool all the time and I try to convince
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everyone else who's doing 12 volt electrical diagnostics on anything, even up to a 2025.
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I don't care to use one of these, have it, use it.
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It's an awesome tool.
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If you understand electricity, you understand what it does.
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And that's what I'm going to talk about today.
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How did I get the $10,000 number?
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Did I just pull it out of thin air?
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I looked at the total amount of diagnostic dollars I have done up until like right now
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And then I did some rough math to figure about how many of those I utilized the test light
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Now probably only a handful of those I did just with the test light, right?
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Generally you're going to have a scan tool involved in just about every car.
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And if you include the pre scan, okay, I have it involved in every diagnostic.
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But some of them did I need the scan tool to get there?
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But how many diagnostics did I use the test light in determining what was going on
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Maybe it was the only thing that I needed.
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I bet you that number is conservative, to be totally honest.
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I was generous on the conservative side of things when I came up with that number.
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Plus it's a nice easy round number.
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$10,000 sounds great.
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Okay, but seriously, you can turn a $6 tool into $10,000 with your knowledge
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and enough broken cars in front of you and people that are willing to pay you
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to repair them or at least diagnose what's wrong with them.
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So let's get into it.
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How do you use this tool in diagnostics?
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And maybe you already do and you're like, I don't really care.
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I understand how to use a test light.
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But I'll share with you today.
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Maybe a few ways that you haven't considered using an incandescent test light.
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Or maybe you just love to use some other tools out there.
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Scope, PowerProbe, the LED test light, I don't know.
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There's a bunch of other tools out there.
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But I'm here to try to convince you why an incandescent test light is really
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useful beyond just the normal things that you would think of.
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Now, one of the biggest reasons I love to use a test light in most applications
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is because it commands a load on the circuit.
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And if you've taken one of my classes before I have an electrical analysis or
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circuit analysis class where I talk about a bunch of different ways to assess
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electrical circuits and how to think about electrical circuits.
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And I break it down into two main categories.
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Either that circuit is sending information or the circuit is performing work, right?
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So if you think information like a data circuit for canned communication.
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If it's doing work, think of a headlight bulb, right?
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We're talking heat, motion, magnetism, something like that.
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We're performing some sort of physical work.
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And I think about those circuits differently and I treat them differently.
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And I may test them differently.
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And for any circuit that does work, I want to be able to load that circuit to make
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sure that it can carry the current in order to do the work, right?
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Whatever the load or loads in that circuit are, I want to make sure that that
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circuit has the ability to carry the current to said load, right?
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And a test light is a great way to do that, not the only way.
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And of course, you have to consider what is the actual amount of current
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that said load uses and does my test light equate to that, right?
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You could have a situation where your test light draws more current than the load
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in the circuit, but you could also easily have the situation where your test light
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does not draw anywhere near the amount of current that a particular load uses
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So then, well, okay, well, how useful is it at that point?
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You'll have to consider that.
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Of course, that all starts with, well, understanding a couple of things here.
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And I want to start with this.
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And I've had this in my class.
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I probably talked about it on the show before.
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I did this when I was teaching at the college.
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It's a really powerful example of why the test light's important in a lot
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of circuit testing.
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And like, I remember when I first experienced this out in the field
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because I didn't realize this at first when I was out there testing stuff
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with my meter, and this could be with a scope, too.
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Take your meter, take your scope, whatever, whichever one of those two
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you're measuring voltage on a circuit, right?
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Okay, 12-volt circuit.
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Take a jump pack or a battery.
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Hook your black lead of your scope or your meter up to the negative
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terminal of the jump pack or the battery.
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And then take the red lead and hold it in your left hand,
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and then touch the positive terminal with your right hand.
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You will measure pretty close to battery voltage on that meter or scope.
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Okay, it's going to depend on the impedance.
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The scope's generally going to be a little bit lower than the meter.
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But a meter will show you 12-point something volts on a fully charged battery.
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Okay, that's through your body.
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Switch the meter over to ohms, measure the resistance.
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You're going to be like a million ohms of resistance or more.
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It depends on how hydrated you are that day.
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And you know for sure you're not going to be able to carry any usable
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current for a circuit that needs to do work through your body.
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But open circuit voltage testing, that's why you really shouldn't do open
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circuit voltage testing.
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You want to use your voltage drop.
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There's plenty of classes out there on that.
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But hey, maybe you don't know the circuit is open in the car, right?
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That's a real potential thing that you could run into.
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The fact of the matter is, you can read voltage through a large amount
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of resistance on a circuit that is open.
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Okay, if it has that unwanted resistance through your body, you can read that.
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A test light will not light.
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Try the same thing with a test light.
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It's not going to happen.
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Your body will not carry enough current from a 12-volt system to light
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It's just not going to happen.
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So your test light would show you that like, hey, this isn't a usable path
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We can't perform the work where your meter or scope,
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unless you understand what's going on.
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You understand the limitations of your tool, which is key.
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Any tool really just depends on you understanding the limitations
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of what it can and can't do.
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But the meter or the scope in that instance is not going to be able
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to tell you what work the circuit can do.
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Again, voltage drop testing aside, assuring that the circuit is complete
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and then doing voltage drop testing.
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You can definitely assess what you need to from the circuit that way.
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But I like to test light.
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Just personal preference is the way I use it.
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Test light is going to be able to load the circuit,
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demand some amount of current to basically stress test
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that circuit to say, hey, do we flow current?
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That's really important, right?
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What is the normal amount of current
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that should be flowing through that circuit?
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And what is the normal amount of current
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that my test light would flow if I just hooked it up
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You should know that.
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Whatever test light you're using,
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and again, incandescent bulb,
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you should put an amp clamp around it
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and figure out how much current it draws.
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If you have multiple test lights, test them all.
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Write it on there with a piece of tape
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so you don't forget it, okay?
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This one's 0.2 amps.
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This one's 0.02 amps.
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You can put some bigger bulbs in these things.
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They will mount the plastic eventually if you leave them
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on, so do keep that in mind.
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Headlight bulb, right, four amps, right?
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That's not quite a test light, but it is.
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There's tools out there where you can set up the test light
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in like a plastic holder, the 3D printed.
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Kind of just becomes a real high-amperage test light,
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but you're gonna wanna know that to say,
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A, is it equal to the load that is normally in that circuit,
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but also for safety reasons,
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if we're testing computer-related circuits,
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we also wanna know how much amperage that test light
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is going to draw when connected to the circuit
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because in the instance of a headlight bulb,
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that's gonna be way more than that circuit is designed to handle
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and then you let that smoke out of the inside of the computer
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which you obviously don't wanna do in testing,
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creating another expensive problem on top of the other one
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that you're trying to solve.
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So do be aware of what your test light draws,
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and if you're able to assess the current
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that is normally in the circuit,
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this becomes a really powerful tool, okay?
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So again, just checking to see, hey, can that circuit
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carry a load enough to light up my test light?
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Now the brightness of the light
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is obviously gonna depend on the voltage,
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not only on the circuit, but in the system
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and the bulb itself.
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So that's where there is a weakness in the tool
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of are you gonna be able to tell a two-volt difference
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from your test light?
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You'd have to be pretty freaking good
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to be able to tell that unless it's changing in real time,
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I don't think I could pick that out, to be totally honest.
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So that's where meter or scope is gonna be more useful
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as far as like voltage drop testing.
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And I'm not saying this is the only tool that you should use.
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I'm just making a pitch for like why this should be
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in your regular repertoire of tests and tooling
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All right, so most of you know this.
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You've used it, you got one, either you like it or you don't,
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but you're aware of this style of tests.
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But for today's episode, I thought I would share
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just a couple uses of a test light
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that make it more versatile than you might think.
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All right, now again, really important here
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that you understand the amperage draw of your test light.
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But for a test light that's somewhere
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between 100 to 200 milliamps of draw,
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this is one of my favorite tools
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for activating a relay circuit.
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Okay, what I mean by this is quite often
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relay control circuits are gonna be controlled.
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They'll have either constant power ground on one side
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and then they're controlled by a module
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either by providing power or ground to that relay coil.
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You can use a test light and provide either ground
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or power, whichever one it needs,
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to that circuit to activate the relay coil, okay?
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Now, here's why this is a safer method
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than just jumping straight up power
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and ground to that circuit, okay?
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Well, if you're incorrect and you thought
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it was supposed to be power, but you did ground,
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that's gonna be real bad for the driver
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in that control module.
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But if you do it through a test light
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that again is somewhere between 100 and 200 milliamps
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which is the normal relay coil draw for most relays
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there are exceptions.
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So I guess I should just put a disclaimer out there.
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There's still a possibility you could ruin a control circuit
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on a computer this way.
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So just be cautious.
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You can research the relays if you really want to
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and find out what the normal amperage draw is.
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But I have found, again, if you're in that like
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150, 160 milliamp draw, that's the normal current draw
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for the control side of a relay.
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So you're usually safe, okay?
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But also pay attention to your diagram
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and make sure you're applying the same thing.
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And then that way, if the circuit normally applies ground
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to the relay and you're providing ground, you're safe.
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And I guess you don't need a test light in place.
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But anyways, I'll use a test light just again
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as a safety measure when I'm doing this,
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when I'm jumping it to a circuit
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that's connected to a computer
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and I want to test it out, right?
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I want to be the computer on turn on the relay.
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I'll use a test light in place.
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And it works really well.
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There's still enough current
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that will go through your test light
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and through the relay coil to activate the relay.
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Try it, it works really well.
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Again, it's gotta be an incandescent.
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An LED one is not gonna work for this.
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Now, the way that I actually found that out was by accident.
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I was diagnosing a Pontiac G6
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with a accelerator pedal issue.
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And it was a short circuit
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to ground on the five-volt reference
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for the accelerator pedal.
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And what I was doing is I was using my test light
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to see if I had a straight shot to ground.
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And this is another use for your test light, right?
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If I power up my test light
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and I touch it to something
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that I think maybe has a ground on it
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and it lights up brightly,
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I know that that is a direct path to ground.
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And I will use that for checking
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both power and ground on circuits, right?
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Let's say I have 12 volts on something
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and I'm not sure is this like battery voltage
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or is this a bias voltage?
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Ground your test light, touch it.
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Does it light up your test light or does it not?
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That's gonna be a real quick way to say,
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oh, okay, this is a bias voltage
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maybe provided by a control module
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or oh yeah, this is straight power, okay?
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I've done that on a canline before.
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Both power and ground, right?
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I'll power up my test light.
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If I have a no-com and it's at zero,
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I'll touch the canline.
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And if it lights up, okay,
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I got either a straight shot to ground
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or a straight shot to power enough to light a test light,
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it is shorted to something, right?
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Either inside of a module or on a wire,
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I am shorted directly to something.
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That's the only way it's going to light my test light, right?
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I understand what's necessary
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in order for enough current to flow through that circuit
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to light up my test light
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that it's gotta be a direct short.
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Or again, oh no, this 12 volts is a bias
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or at least it's a resistive short.
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It's got resistance in between it
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and it's path to either power or ground.
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But anyways, on this Pontiac,
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when I powered up my test light,
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so the clippy ends on the power
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and so I'm touching the circuit
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with the end of my test light to see
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is this a straight shot to ground?
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It activated a relay
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and that relay was for the brake lights.
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And so by determining that,
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I was like, oh, it has to be this circuit, right?
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I'm grounding this relay by touching this wire.
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These two wires have to be touching.
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Where do they go together in the harness?
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And then I was able to find the short.
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And it was a poor wiring repair
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and a wire was sticking out
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from the control side of a relay
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to the five volt reference on the accelerator pedal.
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And that was how I realized, I was like,
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oh, a relay is a great way.
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A test light is a great way to test a relay.
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There's enough current to activate said relay.
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I could hear it click every time I touched it.
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So it works really well.
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Another way that I will use a test light.
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And this one you maybe could consider
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a little bit more risky.
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However, I've not had any issues doing this.
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So you'll probably call me up tomorrow
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and say, hey, I just ruined this network by doing this.
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But when I'm at a control module
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that maybe is not communicating, all right?
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So driver's door module just did this other day.
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I'm gonna use my test light.
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I'm gonna check power.
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I'm gonna check ground, okay?
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That's what I need.
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Now there's communication to this module as well, okay?
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Now it could be can, could be Linn, whatever it is.
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I'll take my test light, grounded.
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I will touch it to the network wire.
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And I'll do one of two things.
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I'll either just listen with the key on
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for things to ding and the dash to go crazy
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as soon as I do that.
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Because what am I doing?
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I have a grounded test light touching it to the network.
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I'm pulling that network down, but I'm doing it safely.
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Now with a can network, you'd probably be okay
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just straight up grounding it.
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But this is giving you just another layer of safety
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because the test light again is not going to be able
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to flow much current through that circuit.
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But it'll pull it down.
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It'll stop communication.
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What does that mean to me?
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If that happens, that means up to that module
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where I am testing, the circuit's good
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on the communication wire, right?
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If it's a single wire GM LAN, I do that.
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I hear everything go crazy.
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Well, my network's connected here, right?
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Is there a possibility for some weird corruption?
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Sure, that's possible.
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But what it tells me at least is the circuit's connected,
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So again, power ground and touch it to the network.
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You at least know if the circuit is connected
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With can, if you wanna be even safer,
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you can just jump the two wires
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at the module you're testing.
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Jump them together and do the same thing.
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There definitely won't be any significant current flow
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through that circuit.
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You're just jumping can high and can low, perfectly safe.
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I've never seen that cause a permanent issue.
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But as long as they're jumped,
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whatever else is on that network
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ain't gonna communicate.
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And depending on the network that you're working on,
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there's probably other modules
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where if you have the key on,
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they'll respond by doing something.
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I mean, use your scan tool, right?
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Have your scan tool right there,
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jump them together at the module you're testing
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and see, okay, I just lost everything else
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Okay, circuit's connected all the way up to this point.
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I mean, it's a down and dirty test method.
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Is it gonna maybe miss some things at some point?
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Does it work for a quick check?
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You can also use a test light.
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I'm gonna keep going here.
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To change the voltage on sensor signal wires.
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Okay, what do I mean by this?
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If you have a five volt sensor,
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or I mean, it could even be higher than a five volt sensor,
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but you have a five volt sensor
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and it's meant to output a voltage to the PCM.
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Normally you'll have one of two things
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on that signal wire going to the sensor.
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You may have zero when the sensor's disconnected
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You could also have five volts on that signal wire.
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You'll have a separate five volt wire
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as a reference to the sensor,
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but then some sensors will have five volt present
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even on the signal wire that is a bias from the computer.
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In the case of a Hall Effect sensor,
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maybe it's meant to pull it down.
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I've seen other sensors that just have that five volt
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I'm guessing it's more for like a circuit integrity check.
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But anyways, you can take a grounded test light
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and pull that down, right?
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If it's a crank sensor and you've got a five volt bias
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and the sensor normally pulls it down,
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touch it real fast on and off and watch your scan tool
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and you can then be like, oh, okay, this circuit is good.
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I see the RPM when I'm, as the faster I go,
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the faster the RPM goes on the scan tool.
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And again, safe thing to do on that circuit.
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I've never damaged a circuit by doing that.
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It's essentially the same thing the sensor's doing
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The sensors probably actually just pulling it all the way
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down to ground where you have a resistive path
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within your test light.
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But you can do it the other way too,
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you can power up your test light, clip the end on power,
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and then touch it and you know,
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the voltage should jump up, right?
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So for a signal wire, like a map sensor,
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now you could also just jump the five volt reference
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to it and that probably would do the same thing,
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but test light will work as well.
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And I've done that a lot of circuits
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to verify the integrity.
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I'll watch the scan tool, look at the voltage,
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touch it with the test light,
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that's either power up or grounded, watch for a change.
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Okay, I know that that circuit has enough integrity
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to read what's happening on this end
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and I move on from there.
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Another thing you can do with the test light,
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this might be my last one here.
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I'm sure many of you have done this
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where you take the test light, you ground it,
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and I think you can actually clip it to positive too,
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but I usually will ground it
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and then I can do a spark check with it.
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Now, make sure you're hanging onto the plastic part,
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not the metal part, but if you're cranking an engine over
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or the engine's running and you move the metal end
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of the test light close to the output
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of the ignition coil, the spark will jump
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from the ignition coil to the end of your test light
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in a visible manner so that,
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and you can even change the range, right?
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You can have an adjustable spark tester with that test light
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and you can see it and you can hear it
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and you can feel it if you want to.
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Stick your other finger in there and see how it feels.
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Ah, that's 30,000 volts.
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All right, that coil is good.
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But what I like doing here,
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this is one of my favorites for when I am by myself,
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right, I'm doing mole work, I'm on the parking lot,
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I don't have anybody else around to crank the vehicle,
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I will take my either a long wire
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or I have a reel of wire and I'll take
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the end of that lead and I'll stick it
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into the ignition coil, right?
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I want to see if this engine has spark
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because it's a no start.
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I will stick it into the end of that ignition coil,
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I'll bring the other end of that lead,
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clip it to my test light
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and then I will find the bolt in the door jam, right?
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The driver's door and I'll make sure
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that it's not painted, you know,
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scratch off a little bit of paint if you need metal
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but you want a good metal surface
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and I'll hold my test light
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about an eighth of an inch away, quarter inch away,
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whatever, again, we can adjust the range
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for our spark test here and I'll crank it over.
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So I'm in the driver's seat so I can reach the key,
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I can hit the brake pedal, I can hold the test light
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and I look for spark and it'll jump right to that bolt
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in that door jam if there is spark
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through the wire, through my test light to that bolt.
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It is a great test to test for spark
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if you're by yourself and you don't want
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to pull out your scope just yet,
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you're just doing a quick check to see,
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hey, do I have spark?
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It works really well, right?
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Now, again, you can do this under the hood
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if you have a helper to crank,
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but if you're by yourself,
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real quick method to check for spark.
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So it's a real quick episode today.
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Those are my uses for a test light.
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Let me know what you have.
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If there's something I forgot about, didn't mention here.
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I would love to hear your ideas
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or your ways that you use a test light
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in your day to day diagnostics
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and how if you've made $10,000 or more
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from this little six dollar tool
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and again, $5.95 is the price on Amazon,
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I'll send you the link if you can't find it.
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With that all the way,
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let's get out there and start fixing the world