Hagerty is a well-known collector-car brand associated with insurance and market reporting. Even though the transcript segment doesn’t detail Hagerty’s methods, the episode framing indicates the discussion is tied to Hagerty’s valuation perspective.
Topic
NAMM conference
The Packard Museum is mentioned in connection with the NAMM conference, which is a specific event context for why the books need to arrive. For listeners, this helps explain the timing and logistics around collector-car media and presentations.
Ferrari Club of America is a major enthusiast organization for Ferrari owners and collectors. Its involvement here signals that the wealth-management partner is targeting the Ferrari and broader collector-car community.
Paris style wealth is a financial company that works with collectors. They’re connected to the Ferrari Club of America, and the pitch is about planning for the long term.
NCM Insurance is a company that sells insurance for classic and collector cars. Instead of treating your car like a normal daily driver, they tailor the policy to how you store, protect, and value the vehicle.
A collector car is a car people keep because it’s special to them—maybe rare, classic, or valuable to enthusiasts. Since it’s not treated like a regular daily driver, it often needs different insurance and better records.
Agreed value coverage is when you and the insurance company agree on a price for your car ahead of time. If the car is totaled, you’re paid that agreed amount instead of a lower “what it’s worth today” number.
Carport is a digital “garage” app/service that helps owners document, organize, and manage their vehicles. In a collector context, it’s used to track service history and store records so the collection is easier to maintain and (often) easier to insure or sell.
Service history is the log of work done on a car—like oil changes, repairs, and maintenance. Keeping it helps show the car was looked after, which can make the car easier to trust and easier to sell.
Amelia refers to the Amelia Island collector-car auctions in Florida, known for high-end inventory and strong buyer participation. The segment uses Amelia results to support the idea that the market is unusually hot.
Broad Arrow is a company that auctions collector cars. The host is saying their sales were unusually strong, which supports the idea that the market is hot.
Topic
bottom sale
They mention a “bottom” sale, meaning a segment of the market that’s not always the most exciting. The point is that even those cars are doing well.
The host suggests that buyers have been aggressively purchasing collector cars from roughly the 2005 model-year era onward. That’s a “demand cohort” idea: newer collector cars can behave differently than older classics because of different buyer motivations and availability.
“Oddball colors” refers to unusual paint colors that might not be everyone’s taste, but can still attract buyers depending on rarity, provenance, and how the car is presented. In collector markets, color can materially affect desirability and pricing.
Company
RM
RM is an auction company that sells collector cars. When they say RM did really well, they mean the cars sold for strong prices.
They’re saying auction prices can surprise you. Sometimes a car sells cheaper than expected, and sometimes it sells for more because buyers get competitive.
They’re talking about cars that were customized in a very personal way before the brand had an official option program. The point is that custom stuff can add value, but it doesn’t always make the price jump the way people assume.
Rolls Royce is being used as another example of a luxury brand that learned to listen to customers. The idea is that giving people what they want can pay off.
Bentley is referenced as a brand that learned a lesson about customer-driven customization—essentially, that meeting buyer preferences can be important for satisfaction and desirability. It’s part of a broader point that brands have adjusted their approach over time.
Bring a Trailer is a popular online auction site for collector cars. If a car does really well there, it can make more people want that car and affect its value.
This phrase means “the eye-catching color options.” The idea is that if a car looks especially cool, more people notice it and it can become more desirable.
They’re talking about a Ford F-150 truck they saw on a dealer lot. The takeaway is that people tend to buy certain colors more than others, and dealers stock those colors heavily.
They’re saying people tend to like cars that are predictable—cars that look and are configured in a familiar way. That can make it easier for buyers to want them, which can affect resale value.
“Day two builds” just means you buy the car first, then modify it later. People do it to make the car more personal, but collectors may care a lot about whether changes keep the car looking original.
“Day one build” means you get the car the way you want right from the factory. That can be better for resale because it’s more “correct” than doing big changes after you buy it.
Term
signal orange
“Signal orange” is just a bright, noticeable paint color. The idea is that unusual factory colors can make a car easier to market and more desirable to the right buyers.
Term
McLaren orange
“McLaren orange” is a famous-looking orange color. The host is using it to make the point that standout, recognizable colors can help a vehicle feel more special.
“Irish green” is a particular green paint color. The point is that if lots of cars are ordered with the same distinctive color and interior, buyers know exactly what they’re getting.
Term
tartan interiors
“Tartan interiors” are plaid-pattern seats or trim. The idea is that a distinctive interior can make a car more desirable and help it stand out when buyers shop.
They’re saying younger buyers are becoming more important in the collector car world. When that happens, the kinds of cars people want—and the prices—can shift.
They’re also talking about Gen X buyers joining the collector car market. Different age groups tend to buy different kinds of cars, which can affect prices.
The speaker identifies themselves as a “boomer” and contrasts their approach to buying with younger buyers. In collector car markets, generational behavior can affect timing (when people buy), risk tolerance, and what they consider “worth it.”
Topic
motor Miami
They’re referencing another car event in Miami where they talked about younger buyers. It’s included to show these ideas are coming up in multiple places.
“Cars and coffee” is a style of car meet where people gather casually, usually for a couple hours, and then go home. It changed the hobby by making it feel less like a big commitment and more like a fun hangout.
“Coolness factor” means people buy cars because they think they look awesome or fit their vibe. When enough buyers feel that way, it can push prices up even if the car isn’t the most “important” historically.
A “collector market” is where people buy cars not just to drive, but because they think the car will be special or valuable later. When more companies and buyers get involved, the prices and what people want can change.
Porsche is being used as an example of a brand that makes special cars for collectors. Instead of only selling normal versions, they create limited editions and unique options that collectors want.
A “special color” is a unique paint or finish that isn’t available on every car. Collectors often like these because they make the car stand out and can be rarer.
That phrase means only 48 cars are being made worldwide. When something is rare like that, collectors often want it more, which can help keep its value higher.
They’re talking about a special Porsche GT3 Touring, built around a 2014. It’s basically a high-performance Porsche that’s meant to feel a bit more “everyday friendly,” which collectors often pay extra for—especially when it’s customized.
“Custom-spec” means the buyer configured the car with special options. For collectors, that can make the car more interesting or valuable, but it has to be the kind of customization other people will also want.
A feasibility study is basically a “can we actually do this?” check. Before a company agrees to make a custom color or finish, they test whether it’s possible and worth the effort.
They’re saying that in the 1970s, people could customize cars a lot—colors and interior details. The risk is that what looks cool now might not be what future collectors want.
A vinyl roof is a fake “top” made of vinyl that’s attached to the outside of the car. Some collectors like the look, but if it’s old or poorly maintained, it can hurt the car’s value.
Shag carpet refers to a long-pile, high-texture interior carpet style that was popular in certain eras. As a collector consideration, it’s a strong visual statement—some buyers love the period-correct vibe, while others see it as dated or hard to restore.
They’re saying don’t buy a car only hoping it will be worth more later. Buy something you actually like, take care of it, and keep good records—because collector value isn’t guaranteed.
“Keeping all the records” means maintaining documentation like service history, receipts, and provenance. For collector cars, records can materially affect buyer confidence and resale value because they help verify condition, maintenance, and authenticity.
They’re using a funny example to make a serious point: accidents and random stuff can happen and damage your car. Even if you do everything right, you can’t control everything.
It’s basically the idea that a car isn’t only an investment. If you can actually use and enjoy it, that “value” matters too, especially with collector cars.
The Ferrari Enzo is one of the most famous modern Ferraris, and it’s highly collectible. Here they’re talking about how auction prices can vary a lot depending on the exact car and details like color.
They’re saying one auction price was unusually high compared to what you’d normally expect. That kind of result may not reflect the usual market value.
A “unicorn sale” is when a car sells for a super-surprising, record-level price. The point here is those rare spikes usually don’t happen again and again.
It means when lots of collector cars are going up in price, the whole market often feels stronger. So even cars you’re not watching closely can still get a boost.
RM Sotheby’s is an auction company that sells expensive collector cars. When they have a sale coming up, the results can affect what people think similar cars are worth.
An auction estimate is basically the predicted price range for what the car might sell for. Here, the host thinks the range is too low given how rare and well-specified the car is.
Collector cars are often rated by condition on a numbered scale. “Number four” usually means the car is usable and presentable, but not restored to a top, show-quality level. The point here is that fewer restorations are happening, so more cars end up in that mid-to-lower condition range.
This highlights a supply-and-demand issue in the restoration ecosystem: if restoration shops are booked solid, turnaround times increase and fewer owners can complete projects. That can delay restorations and contribute to more cars remaining in lower condition grades.
This is about how long it takes to get a price and get on the schedule. If it takes forever to get an estimate, fewer people start restoration projects.
Tariffs are extra taxes on imported products. If car parts or supplies are imported, tariffs can make them cost a lot more, which raises restoration costs.
Even if parts didn’t change, paying mechanics and restoration shops more can make the whole project more expensive. That can reduce how many cars get fully restored.
Color matters a lot for collector cars. A rare color can make the car more desirable and push the price higher, but it doesn’t always mean the value will keep rising forever.
Car
Duesenberg Model J
The Duesenberg Model J is a legendary old American car. People collect it because it’s historically important and very desirable, so it often keeps value better than less-famous cars.
“Market shifts” just means the collector-car market changes over time—who wants what, and how much people are willing to pay. Even famous cars can go up and down before settling.
“Blue chip” cars are the collector favorites that people always want. They usually sell more easily and don’t drop as hard as weird or less-famous cars.
Mercedes-Benz 300 SLS is a famous old Mercedes that collectors really want. The hosts are talking about how much people are paying for similar cars recently, and they say the market is doing better than last year.
Term
roasters
In collector-car talk, “roasters” typically means open-top cars (roadsters/convertibles). The hosts are comparing how the open-top versions of certain models are selling versus other body styles.
“Comps” means comparing recent sales of similar cars. It helps estimate what a car is actually worth based on what buyers recently paid.
Car
Honda Gold Wing
Honda Gold Wing is being used as a comparison point for collector demand and pricing, but it’s a motorcycle (not an automobile). The hosts are contrasting the value movement between the Gold Wing and the Mercedes-Benz 300 SLS “roaster” market.
Car
Duesenberg
Duesenberg is a famous American car brand known for high-end, collectible classics. The hosts say people are still actively buying them, and that Americans tend to value them more than Europeans.
A “worldwide market” means lots of buyers around the world want the same car. When that happens, it can help prices stay stronger because there are more people competing to buy the best examples.
“Number one condition” means the car is in the very best shape—like the top-quality, show-level example. In collector markets, the best cars can sell for way more than typical ones.
The McLaren F1 is a famous, very rare supercar. The big reason collectors pay so much is condition—especially cars that are original and have very low miles, not ones that have been heavily changed.
The Pontiac GTO is being used as a reference point for what makes a car become a top collector target. The idea is that the McLaren F1 could become that kind of “must-have” car, and the same value drivers apply—history and originality.
Collectors usually want the best-preserved versions of a car. Even if many cars get restored, the highest prices tend to go to the ones with very few miles and that stayed close to how they left the factory.
Concept
restored vs low-mile original
Restoration can preserve a car’s appearance and function, but it doesn’t always replicate the market value of an untouched, low-mile original. Here, the speaker notes that more McLarens will be restored over time, yet the highest demand remains for the few that stayed “true” and unmodified.
A replacement motor means the car’s engine isn’t the original one. Collectors usually prefer original parts, so an engine swap can make the car worth less than a similar car with its original engine.
Collectors care a lot about a car’s story. If it has a documented racing background—where it raced and what it won—that history can make it worth much more than a similar-looking car without that pedigree.
The Buick Grand National is a famous muscle car from America’s performance era. The host is saying it was one of the cars that kept the muscle-car spotlight alive for a while, which helps explain why collectors still care.
The idea is that younger people are starting to like cars that older collectors have loved for years. When that happens, the market can start valuing those cars more.
Car
Chevrolet Grand National
The Chevrolet Grand National is a famous turbo performance car from the 1980s. The host is using it as an example of a car that stayed popular for a long time and then started attracting new fans.
The Buick Regal is a mid-size car made by Buick. People may talk about it because certain cars have special paint or personal history from an owner. In this episode, it’s being mentioned as a Regal that was painted a particular way.
The GMC Cyclone is another 1980s fast SUV from GMC, built to be more performance-focused than a typical family vehicle. The point here is that collectors may be overlooking it.
JDM means Japanese cars made for the Japanese market. Collectors like them because they can be rare and sometimes have different features than what you’d find in the U.S.
Top Rank Imports is referenced as a company that imports large numbers of JDM cars into the U.S. In collector-car value discussions, importers like this can influence availability, pricing, and which models become popular with enthusiasts.
The idea here is that many car people get “hooked” by one car when they’re young. That first big obsession tends to stick, and it influences what they buy and value later.
Car
Volkswagen GTI
The Volkswagen GTI is a sportier version of the Golf. It’s famous for being a “hot hatch,” meaning a small car that’s still practical but drives like a performance car.
The Mitsubishi Starion is a 1980s Japanese sports coupe, and it’s known for being turbocharged. People like it because it’s a fun, enthusiast-oriented car from that era.
Badge engineering means one car is sold by different brands with different badges. So collectors may find the “same” car wearing a different name.
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I'm very upset because I'm supposed to have my books today and they're supposed to be here by 3 o'clock via FedEx
But they have failed me multiple times today. I've seen the FedEx
Van go down my street twice and I ran out there to try to catch it with no luck
I call FedEx you got to go through the phone tree, which is absolutely horrendous and
They they said they had the wrong address
So I gave them the right address and they said they corrected it still no word
So I call back at 5 p.m. And they still have the wrong address
I don't get it. Anyways, and they won't elevate it until it's the third attempt to try to deliver the books
So very frustrating because I'm supposed to have a handful of them at the Packard Museum tomorrow morning
For the NAMM conference and I told them I got to have them tonight
So stay tuned for next week where I will do an unboxing if I get lucky. I keep looking out the window here
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But until then this is a great episode with Dave Kenny. I did it a couple weeks ago
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Hey, it's Greg Stanley with a returning guest Dave Kenny. How you doing, buddy? I'm doing well. How about yourself, man?
Good good. Yeah, I saw you. Where did I see it a million a million right?
Absolutely him. That was a I didn't didn't get the motor this year. I understand that was great
I got to the Arizona auctions
It's been a wild first quarter of
2026 when you agree I would agree and you know you have a standing
Invitation to be on the podcast whenever to talk about these market trends and it has been upside down now as we record this
It sounds like the Hagerty
Evaluation tools are being updated tomorrow. Is that correct?
Every quarter, so it'll be you know, hopefully they'll be up by tonight at midnight
I don't know that for a fact, but they'll be up tomorrow during the day sometime at least
And it's been a wild ride. I mean Greg. It's just been crazy
I mean everybody who's been following the market knows this we have some
insane prices that came out of both Kissimmee and Amelia as well as
Barrett Jackson and the RM sale in the Phoenix at the same time
You know bottom sale everybody has been doing really really well broad arrow had their best sale ever
110 million dollars at at Amelia
Everybody's everybody is on fire right now and you look at the economy and you look at what's happening and
You'd think yeah, it's probably a pretty mediocre time
But the collectors have spoken and the high-end collectors and those people who are collecting the newer cars pretty well defined is
Let's just call it 2005 up have been on a buying spree. So
Hard to define I can tell you we were talking just before you came on
Enzo prices are going up obviously all kinds of Ferrari prices are having some big swings and some big changes
And we'll all know about that tomorrow. I can't I can't drop the dime on what the exact dollar amounts are but
You'll have to go visit as soon as you see the podcast and see the changes
Yeah, so I might do a follow-up five minutes. I don't know hit some headlines or something because it has been really nuts and
It's so weird because I obviously I know a lot about the Bachman collection
I've talked about before I've had Chris me Leon who you know really shepherded that with me come to come to market and
That was truly a one-off
But it has really impacted the Ferrari market, hasn't it?
Yeah, and I mean for those not aware of what's going on
There were some great cars from a collection that were oddball colors
I mean, it's the only way to describe them, but they worked for a lot of people and boy
Did they ever work on the reason cell market? They they got
Incredible amounts of money for some of these cars my my headline was that
Fast food colors colored cars go for McDouble and triple and McTriple at me come and that's about it
I mean, they were lots of yellow and red and blue and you know, yellow and blue and you know kind of crazy colors
But they're great cars and they did exceptionally well. So, you know, I mean, what do we know?
We're just the people who follow the market, but it's an exciting time to be doing that
Again and Bert Jackson had some, you know, the hits out of the park RM had hits out of the park
Broad Arrow had hits out of the park even bottoms, you know with a much smaller sale had some really interesting cars that did well
I mean, there's always I mean, okay, let me just put this caveat on there
Always gonna be cars that get out of an auction for cheaper than they should have and there's always gonna be cars that get out for
The same amount of money and there's always cars that get out for higher than you expect
But this was a big big time for higher than you expect and of course me come they were just on fire in January
Yeah, and I always said, you know, whenever like for the Bachman cars, whenever those came up
those would be record shattering because it was such an unrepeatable collection and
You say that and you're like, well, what would be the next unrepeatable collection, you know
Because in that scenario they were doing, you know, I've spoken up before but they were doing tailor-made
You know customization before there was a program at Ferrari
they had custom luggage before Ferrari had a program and so
You know, I don't know what's going to be that version in the future because just because you have custom colors and custom
Luggage new Ferrari doesn't mean it's gonna go through the roof like you might expect because those are programs that exist now
These cars were acquired when those weren't programs. It was all
Relationship built, you know, and so yeah, I'm sure there were a lot of nervous nights at Ferrari when some dude comes in
And then yeah, he bought 11 cars before but his 12th one
He wants in a color combination that you know, the Ferrari people probably weren't real happy with it first
I think Bentley and Rolls Royce learned this lesson. I know that Porsche has learned this lesson. Give the customer what he wants
And Ferrari, you know protecting the brand might say, well, I don't care what he wants
I think this is just, you know, me speculating. I don't care what he wants
We have a brand to protect and I think that a lot of people now probably realized that this guy was ahead of his time
He wasn't he wasn't an outlier. He's absolutely ahead of his time and his family was, you know buying some
Some cars that really made a statement
So good for everybody good for me come good for the you know, good for the heirs to the family
Good for the fun factor involved in all of it and we can't ignore bring a trailer
They've been doing some some great sales cars and beds has been doing well
I mean, it's it's a time that where you look in what market you're in you might see a depressed sale or
Series of depressed sales, but in the overall market the ones that are making headlines or just making huge headlines
Yeah, yeah, they are for sure. I know, you know, I remember from broad air. They had that really cool
I forgot the color Oslo blue or something that career GT that really went nuts because arms other ways had the record
You know the weekend before for career GT and then it was you know surpassed
Which is interesting because the arm if I remember correctly wasn't a crazy, you know paint the sample color
It was I think it was a darker gray. I forgot what color it was but yeah silver
But then, you know, it's kind of it's kind of like paint the sample stuff whether it's Porsche Ferrari
Whoever, you know, if it's a cool color, that's gonna ring the bell, right?
Yeah, and and if you keep in mind that look
You know Mike my perfect example is my sister needed help buying a new f-150, right? This is back in July
I'm going somewhere. Don't don't give me that look great. I'm really going somewhere
What was on the lot red white and silver cars and what are people mostly buying red white and especially silver cars?
Well Ford had like in making this up
But there are seven colors of silver that they had just for the f-150 and so when I drove down one of them
It was kind of a putty color. It was not silver at all
It's kind of a green with silver tint and they had a blue color that was really, you know
I would call it
Silverish blue or blueish silver or something like that, but they're making the colors
The names of the color have silver in them so people will accept them and you know if you go against the grain and almost anything
I mean you you have you know a choice of watches and you and you get the outlier of the custom watch
I think our recent history is showing that people love the thing that's
Predictable and the same although
Arguably way different so colors is one way you can do it another way you can do it is obviously back in the day
Everybody was customizing engines. You know, there'd be day two builds on cars and stuff like that
I think the day to build is actually now a day one build and
People are doing it when they order. I did find out the fun fact that I found out
I don't think I discussed this with you. There's if you buy 10 f-150s
Ten of them. Oh, we talked about this. Oh, yeah, okay. You have whatever color you want
I think we should all get together great. Don't you need an f-150? I think I need one coming up soon
We're gonna get them in we're gonna get them in signal orange or we'll get them in McLaren orange or we'll get them in
You know something very definable color Irish green. We'll get we'll get 10 Irish green f-150s
So we'll put tartan interiors in them. We'll be ahead of the market. What do you think?
I agree. I mentioned that to somebody and they said, oh, let's get guard red. I'm like, that's just another red
No, you definitely want to have something that jumps out not not another fire engine red that the you know
The fire marshal next door to my office here has the same colors. So yeah, that's not work
Yeah, so tell me what
What are some of the broad strokes? What do you think's driving this because obviously the economies?
Yeah, you know, we got the multiple wars going on right now people are nervous
I think obviously the generational shift is part of that the cars that are really it just seems like there's a lot of
Little factors that are kind of snowballing. Would you say I don't know? What do you think?
Yeah, I think boomers like me are stepping back in some ways
We're still the biggest part of the market but not by a lot anymore
so
You know the Millennials are stepping up and a little bit of Generation X is as well or a little bit more than a little bit right now
And I think that there's an awful lot of money out there and I think that's basically what it comes down to there's been
You know, it's been a good few years for a lot of people
especially on the west coast and the left coasters and their AI and their you know, they're
You know, they're their new builds of
All kinds of things that have been taking off. I think that's part of it, but I also think that there's more optimism
under the
You know just under the the the surf which is churning
I think there's a little bit of optimism under the surf that keeps on rolling on and
I you know, I'm not necessarily always in that camp
I think that you know, we look at our deficit and we look at a whole bunch of things and you know the number the
Numbers that you know that we're spending in all kinds of situations and it doesn't look good
but I think that for a personal basis if you've got
You know a good salary or selling your business or you have a lot invested in your business and you're able to partner with somebody
It's a great time. So
You know, I think that our generation my generation. I'm firmly in the boomers. We did a little bit of delayed gratification
I think that maybe the millennials are not delaying as much
also
Look, I'm not I'm not trying to sugarcoat it because there's a lot of people who are struggling including in almost every demographic
But for the people who are making money, they're making lots of money right now. Mm-hmm. Yeah
I would tell you with you on that point for sure. Yeah, and it almost seems like I think it was Pebble Beach
I was talking to a collector. I think I was at motor Miami and we were talking about the next generation and stuff and
He had an interest to comment. I haven't heard anyone say yet
He's like, I am not worried about the next generation. There'll be a big generation
Going after these cars and I was like, well, how do you know that? He's like, well, just, you know
I've been showing at Pebble Beach for 20 years. We've never had this number of young kids
You know taking photos doing YouTube doing all this kind of stuff. He's like, you know, the hobby's fine
You know is what he was saying. I'm like, well, maybe you know some of that showing up and the slightly older
you know, maybe 30s and 40s like you said with more disposable income or a
Different thought process on when and why and where and how to buy these special cars
You know where they're just getting them now, you know, and you almost have to on some of these
It's just the prices are going so crazy. Well, we we as a generation were joiners
You know the the the boomers and the generation before the you know, the greatest generation
Basically, they were they were joiners. They would get together with their friends and they'd start a social club
They go to Kiwanis. They go to Lions Club. They would get together and do things in in big groups
you know
Everyone now is busy including all generations and so the cars and coffee effect has had just this
Tremendous type of you know big change
People want to go show up stay two hours and leave they don't want to bring the lawn chair out
They don't want to make it a year long or a day long or a week long commitment
They just want to come in and come in and have fun and go and I think that that's rubbed off on every generation
The older generation and the younger generation
I think that that's the spontaneity of it and I think that
Like I learned about collector cars that were out of my demographic, you know cars from an earlier generation
I think that once a lot of the people who are buying the
2005 and the 2020
Ferrari or the 2015 Ferrari and stuff like that once they realize that maybe
That's the coolness factor for them now
But they really would love to have something from the 70s or 80s or maybe even 50s
Because they think that's cool after they start collecting. I think that's what probably will propel
Some of the higher tier cars now that being said I'm worried about some of the
60s and 50s and even 70s and 80s, you know quote-unquote classics
You know that that might be left by the wayside and you know with the
You know with the newer collectors kind of not understanding
They understand the millennial cars. I mean, you know, there are a lot of people who collect stuff from the
You know cars from the 80s and 90s because it's cool because that's what mom and dad had
You know that sort of thing or even grandma now
But I it's gonna be interesting to see how collecting changes in the near future and in the long-term future
Keep in mind. I've been saying this for years. We're creating new collector cars every day
So, you know, when I was a kid, there weren't that many collector cars and now
You know, even the even the manufacturers are building cars for collectors Porsche the first among them, you know
Let's do a series of 13. Let's do a series of 17
Let's do 48 of them and the special color and cut it off at 48 worldwide
That's kind of building into that collector market. It's interesting as you you're talking about the next generation
I actually know a guy. He's a Porsche collector. Not a huge one
He's just really getting into it and what's interesting is he custom-spec a GT3 touring like a 2014
But here's where this car could really go through the roof kind of like the Bachman and I say that because I
Can't remember the Porsche's Taylor division what it's go
Sunder special ways. Yes, right special issues. And so they would they they'll make like a
Sadden call it a Saturn gold or bronze. That's something that they currently make, you know
Some of the GT3 wheels of different things
He asked him to make a Saturn nickel like a Saturn nickel finish for some of the trim pieces
and they had never done that before and they said but if you want to pay for the feasibility study and
If it works, we'll do it on your car
He did and they did and they did the car has that stuff on it
So it's the very first one wasn't available
Special, you know relationship, you know, so, you know, that's an example of that where
You know, whatever 30 years from now
Maybe, you know, if he gets a little crazier with the colors because this was like white with silver
But you know, that was a one-off
Special handshake kind of deal with the factory, you know
And so some of those things are still happening out there. It's just we're not aware of them
And maybe we won't be aware of them for a very long time, right? Yeah, keep in mind
You're you're absolutely right and there's somebody out there right now who's doing, you know, boa
Constructors to skin for their whatever car and you know, all that sort of stuff
Some of these things don't don't
You know, don't pass the test of time if I think about some of the cars that were you'll fully customizable in the 70s
There's still a car
Avocado green with avocado green with avocado green, you know, the vinyl roof the paint on the
Yeah, and Shag carpet, you know, you're making a statement, but it's not exactly the same as the Bachman cars, right?
So I would I would be a little cautious with that and if I was in the position to do that
I'd do it maybe exactly like your guy did with you know, some subtlety
Involved in it, but you know, don't ever buy a car because it's gonna be worthwhile as a collector buy a car because you love it
Buy a car that you think might be you know by something you did to it
Including taking really good care of it keeping all the records all that sort of stuff make it into a collector car
But there's always you're always
You know, you're always working against that sewer top that came loose on the car in front of you that goes right into the hood
Of the car and destroys it so you can't you know put all those eggs in one basket, I guess
So, you know, it's it's a great concept. It's a working concept and it's fun
But I really feel that with collector cars all of it should be fun and it should be
you know, kind of a
Collaborative effort that you and your buddies or you you yourself or whatever comes up with and and test it out on your buddies
You know, there's nothing harder on a Porsche than a fellow Porsche owner
There's nothing harder on down a Ferrari than a fellow Ferrari owner and I just love that
I was talking about that to somebody earlier. It's like why is it human nature to say?
Well, I wouldn't have done that to you know a special nickel finish on my car. Well, so what?
I mean, you know, let's celebrate the fact this guy did it. That's what I always say about that
the
The overall thing that that that everybody has to keep in mind is is that you know in the end
The transportation value means a lot when you buy the car new if you need to have it to use it
That's great
Get what you can afford get what you have fun with and take care of it and you'll see what happens
Maybe at the end of the 10 year ownership or a 15 year ownership or whatever
I think that almost every car becomes a collector car if it's been taken care of
Yeah, yeah, so let's talk about a couple cars here. Let's talk about the Enzo for a second
So I don't want you to tell me what's going to happen tomorrow, but
Do you so let's review that, you know, we had the Bachman all-in was like 18 million, which was a crazy number
Right. I think I think total outlier. Let's face it. Let's face it total. Yeah, but you had the orange one
That earlier in the day was what 11 11 million 12 million something like that. I think that's right
We've had since then we've had a sale. I believe it's seven million. I'm not mistaken
RM had the one at 10 the red one, which is the least desirable color ironically for that model of fur
Well, most most of them were red. That's the reason why so
Well, yeah, I mean we've noted all of that, but I will say I mean, you know, I'm gonna temper it a little bit because
When prices go up fast, you know what happens on the downside they tend to go down fast now, you know, a lot of the cars are
Unicorn sales. They're not gonna happen again
But when you see a number of cars going up, you know that that's a rising tide
So, you know when the Bachman car is sold, I mean, I remember after getting my jaw off the floor
I was like, okay, but
How's that gonna affect the FXX? That's what I want to know and it hasn't really made a knock on it
Effect to a car that you know, I don't want to get any trouble with anybody
But you could argue is a one step better than it is for some people. So
You know, if you're not going to drive it like on the street, obviously, you know, yeah
Well, so today and I'll compare this to after tomorrow
But today the number one condition for our inzo
4.9 million up 1% now. Obviously that's gonna go up. It probably
Double-digit
percent increase maybe and what's interesting is RM Sotheby's has one coming up for sale the end of April
The estimated now this is in euros 4.9 to 5.3 million, which seems extremely low
Considering it is a silver car
Argento Nürburgring one of nine with red interior to me as a stellar
That is that's one of the I mean, I not a silver guy, but if I would order silver
I would love to have that or a electric blue interior personally, you know, that'd be fun
Yeah, they're they're going up in big percentages. I can tell you that I don't have the numbers in front of me because those
Charts are off my desk right now. No, that's fine
And I don't want to access them because I'd be the last person accessing them until they got dumped it
There's a problem. It would be mine
But yeah, we can expect some big changes in a lot of the more recent Ferraris
You know, there's a general downtrend on a lot of cars
And and you know, we've been doing this for a long long time ever since 2006
But again, we're seeing more and more of the cars in number four condition going down
That doesn't mean they're all going down
It means that there's a lot of them there are because no one wants to restore a car right now
Just it's you know, number one the restoration shops are all full, you know with all very few exceptions number two
They're you know, they're a lot of more quoting times. Yeah, we'll look at your car in a couple years
You know that sort of thing the costs have gone through the roof
I don't know if you've bought anything that had tariffs on it
I bought three timex watches from from japan because I love cheap fun watches. They're $49 each
Well, when the tariffs hit I don't know why and I didn't do the figuring but um, there was $50 each in in tariffs
So my so my $150 watch buy for fun
You know became a $300 watch buy. I'll never figure out why I you know, whatever no politics involved
I just think it's just insane to have that happen and then they get here and I realized
You know, I've got a 40 millimeter watch. I'm comfortable with 38 40 42 millimeters. They're like 23
They're they're not even girls watches. They're
Wow, they're young girls watches, you know, I didn't even think about that
But uh, so I have these great, you know, maybe Christmas gifts for my nieces or something like that and that's about it
but um
But everything has gone up and I mean some of the stuff is getting very very hard to buy because people don't want to ship to the
Manufacturers are like I have friends who've actually had stuff shipped internally
In Europe and then had their buddy put all the parts together and then send them out to you know to them after they're done
Yeah, so it's a it's a tough time to be restoring cars
So a lot of times the value of the three cars going down and that's that's not on european
And asian cars. It's also on american cars. Um, because the prices of everything is going up including the price of labor
Yeah, so before we get off the ends of real quick what give me your number. We're gonna play a guessing game. So the uh
The monocoe sale
Silver with red interior estimate 4.9 to 5.3 euros or yeah euros
What do you think the hammer would be on that car? I'm gonna guess
See that's a tough one because you got the rare color
You know a red one in arizona sold for all in like 10 million
But I feel like maybe this is the point that they they they slowed down a little bit. I don't know
I'm gonna guess 10 5
10 point in dollars or euro. We'll do euro. We'll do the hammer
Hammer, I don't know what the exchange rate is right now, but so I wrote it. I wrote it down
So I wasn't influenced by you and got seven million in euro
Seven million. All right. Well, we'll see. We'll see. I mean, look, I'm happy to be wrong. Okay. I'm you know
I don't own a euro. I don't have a horse. I mean, I don't own a euro. I do about 200 euros
I don't I don't own an end. So I don't have a horse in the race
um, I I'm happy for end zone owners that they've gone up, but
I don't see, you know, the the 10 million as sustainable right now
But I could be wrong and I'm more than willing to to change that. So we'll see now talk about if you would
Let's pick out two older cars that are iconic. Let's let's pull out a duzenberg
You know, it doesn't have to be an sj. Just, you know model j
And like the goal wing 300 sl 55 going
um
How do those play in today?
Because of the market shifts. I know they're iconic. I think there'll be a place for them forever
But have you seen anything in like cars like that where they're iconic their blue chip?
They hold on their value. They go soft
Well, the the 300 sls, especially the gold wings had gotten soft and they're firming up now. They're absolutely
being you know becoming
uh more expensive
In 2026 and they were in the first half of 2025. So I don't know
I mean, there's a lot of sales of 300 sls right now mostly roasters is what we saw in the the last book I had
Had about
I'm gonna say 20 comps
And of the 20 comps that I was looking at 19 of them were roasters
Right. So the roaster market is much more vibrant right now than the
Than the gold wing market, but I think those cars, you know, they've been a blue chip investment forever
I think that uh, they they do attract all kinds of demographic
um, and I I understand why you know, there's kind of a back and forth race between
The gold wings and the roasters, which one is more expensive? They kind of you know, sometimes
You know, it's a million two for the roaster and a million for the gold wing
And then it's a million three for the gold wing and you know a million one for the roaster or 980 or whatever
So they do go back and forth quite a bit. So um
But it's a stronger market now than it was even a year ago for the 300 sls now the duisenberg market. It stays vibrant
um, I'm wondering who wants to
um
To deal with older cars
um
That need a restoration other than the top tier collectors, but that's been the same forever
So all my entire lifetime duisenbergs have appealed to the top tier collectors
um, you know duisenberg uniquely an american, you know supercar
um
That's much more appealing in the states than it is in europe by far
Uh, and much more understood in the united states. So it doesn't have a worldwide market like the uh, I mean there is some
Market but not much like the gold wing and the roaster that has an absolute worldwide market
It's is it important to car in europe as it is in japan as it is in Antarctica. So
It's not that there's any 300 sls in our in arctic. I'm just making my point
But um, I think that there's more runway for a 300 sl because of its usability
um, you can get in the 300s l in
2026 and you can drive it 500 miles if it's a good car, you know, whatever you can do that with the duisenberg
But it's a little more challenging driving in traffic. Um, you know stopping the car
You know shifting all those gears in that bigger car is not any fun after a while
Um, but but people do take them out and have fun on tours and those duisenberg guys who go out touring
Oh my goodness, they have they have mega fun every time they take them out
I've talked to people who've been out on the tours and it's like I highlighted the years going out with the duisenberg guys
so
Yeah, that's so true. We actually were at a
One of the vintage rallies and they were at the same home base as the duisenberg folks and they were
They're all over the place, which was a ton of fun watching them take off
What about the mclaren f1 like I know that's the next gen that's it looks like it's actually
Really not that far from the gto that just sold
I'm looking at number one condition before tomorrow's update at 28 million dollars
That actually surprised me a little bit 14.3 percent the public sales. I think have been around 20 lower 20
So this might incorporate a couple private sales
Um, do you think that's going to eclipse the gto in the next five years?
Boy, uh, you know, I'm I'm really bad at predictions
I I would say that there's a there's a good chance
But I don't know whether that's because the gto gets a little bit of shave or whether the mclaren keeps going up
I mean, you're right. Everybody says the mclaren f1 is the gto of the next generation. I don't I don't disagree with that at all
um, the problem is is that there's only a few
True number one mclaren's right now. There will be more right and more and more people will accept the fact that their mclaren has been restored
But everybody now wants the low miles original one and and as they should
and they're not all that many
Super low miles super original ones that haven't been kind of screwed around with in some way
There are some don't get me wrong
But and you know the number is pretty high actually but but that's what everybody wants
Yeah, we've got a couple private sales with mclaren. I know that I think you know my number
For the mclaren if if you wanted to talk generic mclaren, I'd say it's 22 23 million right now something like that
We did have the sale of the gto this year. It was right hand drive. It was not in an attractive color
It did have a replacement motor from what I remember
It was a good car, but not a great car, but um, um, that car didn't you know, didn't break the bank
It sold well
It sold to somebody who I understand was pursuing it before
And uh, he's very happy with it and he got a great car. Don't get me wrong. It's a great car
But it's not maybe the top tippy top tier of gto's and so when we have a gto, it's about the race car drivers
It's about the entire history of the car
It's about um, um, you know which races not only the race car drivers, but which races it entered and which races it won
So all of that makes for a big big difference in in almost every race car or just about every race car
Yeah, yeah for sure
Yeah, and then I feel like this is an interesting car
Uh, just two more cars for you, but interesting car the uh, buick grand national
So when I was writing my book, you know, I that was the car that kind of held the muscle car torch
For america for a number of years, right and absolutely it came at a time when there was nothing else
I mean that was wandering in the desert, right?
Yeah, and it's it's a car that's obviously stunning and beautiful car
And it's been appreciated for a long time, but I just feel like as we
Mostly by older guys, you know that you know, I think the next generation is slowly discovering it
And I'm curious to see what happens that car shows 19 and a half percent up
um versus uh year ago for this most you know, the one that's out right now
So I'm just kind of want to keep an eye on that. Do you feel like that?
Is has some runway on it
Because of the next generation who's into 90s and late 80s that
You know, they're gravitating towards the car that held the torch for such a long time
I think you can just ask uh, kendrick lemar and his uh, not as grand national but as gnax and you know, that that is the
Tape of visibility that a car you know being in the that you know that one of the featured stars of a super bowl is a pretty big deal
And uh, so I think that you know, he gave it his stamp of approval as far as that goes not the not the grand national
But the gnax same body style same basic car and I from what understand the car was a regal that he had painted as a
as a
gnax but
You know, I think that that
That's that right there is a statement that answers your question that if um, if there are people
Of that age that love that car. Yeah, that's going to keep on going one
One of the ones that uh, this kind of surprising is I think the typhoon should be doing right
A little bit of the two gmc's the cyclone and the typhoon. I think they should be doing better now
They're compact size. So they're kind of a little bit of an outlier, but what they were faster than a 308
Ferrari at the time they came out from what I remember by
You know, not a substantial amount, but they were quicker and
And quite the car
And I think that in you know, when the story is written 10 years from now or starts to be written more tenure
I think the cyclone and the typhoon are going to probably make a difference
I totally agree with you and it's funny because
Sean Morris who runs top rank imports one of the biggest imports of jdm cars
You know from japan to the u.s. He's based in california
He gave me a nice quote for the book and what was interesting is that was what he pined over
When he was little his dad was all about big block for 42, you know
gto's and everything else
And then that typhoon came out and it reset his expectations, you know
As far as what a performance car could be so much so that he got into the jdm business
It's funny that the typhoon an american car was the one that adam become a jdm importer
I thought that was pretty interesting. I didn't know that that's really interesting
Yeah, that he said that but it kind of makes sense
I mean we all I think not all of us but a lot of us imprint on one single model of car
And when we imprinted on that then you know, that's kind of our baseline and then we go from there
And when you think about it, it's not a big step from a typhoon to a jdm car because they're you know
A typhoon is you know, arguably compact in size compared to everything else that was coming out back right
I drove one
At an event and I was just blown away by it and it was kind of like wait a minute
You can buy a car that's so stealth
That you know, kind of nobody knows what it is that it could be a you know a grocery getter
But in this guys, it's not it's actually really really fast. I think that's the fun part
You know when car guys car gals figure it out that that's kind of a sweet spot
And like I said, I I think that those cars have a pretty good runaway, so
But I also think the the grand national I think is is you know, like a
9.8 out of 10 at this point and on its way to being a 10 out of 10
There wasn't a lot available at certain periods of time in the you know
70s not much at all
And then in the early 80s some people started coming in and making a difference and those people included
You know vw with the with the gti late 70s early 80s all that sort of stuff
That's when performance kind of uh, you know peeked its head and again in a different guys
It didn't have to be horsepower. It could be engineering
So, uh, yeah
Some car some concor needs to have a class
Like the class of 86 or something put the dnx next to the gti
You know next to whatever, you know, that'd be a cool. No, I mean, I think that I think that we've celebrated jdm a lot at concor
You know a number of different concor so it's probably times to refocus at home and do exactly what you say some of the
Some of the interest. I mean, you know, who doesn't love a an omni an omni
You know, uh glh, you know, that's what it feels like hell. Yeah, exactly
And some are the other one. Yes, right exactly glhs, right? Yes
And they they made what 99 of them all black or something like that
I mean, it wasn't it was a very limited edition. I'm wrong on the number probably but but uh, very limited additional and
A friend of mine bought one new and kept it and then, you know, I guess he couldn't wait for it to get worth more money
So he started driving it, but um, uh, it's interesting because I think that, you know
We should probably get back to not only celebrating the jdm cars
But like you said just getting some cyclones getting some typhoons getting some glh
GLHS's out there and stuff like that
You know, of course a lot of the cars the dodge cars were also badged as mitzuz as well. So we have the starion and the
You know the dodge and uh, you know version of it and everything else was I don't remember what that was a starion was good looking
I like that star. Yeah. Yeah, and there's a lot of great cars from the 80s that you know, aren't just about the
you know, the valour seats and the
You know the plushness of the interior which is fun
But also had some some real performance for its time
And look, I'm the former owner of a mazda, you know, r.u.p. Rotary Rotary pickup
Oh, wow
I owned two of them back in the day. I bought both of I bought one new I want bought one from a government sale
It was a epa test car
Which is hilarious because I don't think anything ever got worse on an epa test than a mazda pickup truck
Um, but I mean, I'd love to see I saw went on bring a trailer just sell the other day
I'd love to see a restored one of those out there or a couple restored one
You know, everybody puts the you know mag wheels on them and does the you know customization and everything
I'd love to see a stock one. That'd be so much fun to see on a
You know on a concord lawn. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I could pass absolutely everything but gas stations
It was I mean it was so fast in the 70s that I literally owned the fastest car in the street
You know for almost everywhere I was because nothing else was fast in the late 70s
None of the 80s came around and that got changed in about 81 82. So
Well, let me ask you one last question about one last car
I asked this because I've heard it twice or not more than twice
Uh, it's 63 Corvettes to get to you thinking split windows not the road sure
Uh, my question is going to be are they having a moment right now?
kind of complex uh because that's the preferred car for
Resto modders that are selling these things for six hundred thousand dollars
Um, but there was one that just sold I think I'm bringing a trailer that was an absolute hunk of junk
I mean it had no wheels no fenders no
No engine no wrong interior wrong dash
And it sold for like 72 thousand dollars. And so that makes a lot of sense
Oh, it doesn't make a lot of sense
That sounds like it's someone who needs one to do a resto mod where they're going to get six hundred grand out of it
But who knows or it's just two people
Whatever reason had to have that car. Maybe someone their grandfather bought it new. I don't know but
To get back to my question our split windows having a moment right now. What's your thought on them?
Well, I'd say link early link continental 61 2 3 uh all the way through 67 Lincoln convertibles same thing
They're both having kind of the same moment because you got this bifurcated track
You have the you know completely restored ones the nrs corvettes ncr s corvettes the blooming and gold corvettes
And then the rest of mods. I am I am not a big fan of
Taking a classic and making into resto mod in all cases
I think there's plenty of cases for it
The good news about when you do a corvette you can sell the original parts if there's a lot of original parts on them and
Part and fund a little bit at least of your resto mod
But you can't argue when somebody's selling these things for five and six and seven hundred thousand dollars
It does not cost that much to build one of those
You know, you're using somebody else's chassis. You're not using the original chassis
You're using a crate motor of some sort, you know, whatever. Yes, it costs a lot to finish the car
But it then costs 600 grand necessarily to finish it
So, I mean, I think there's a lot of money to be made. I had a friend who did a couple corvettes and did them as resto mods
You know, he basically took the chassis off sold the chassis
Sold the motor sold a lot of the uh, you know a lot of the mechanical parts and funded the uh, you know funded the new chassis
Um, this is back in the day. This is a long time ago. I think he sold both cars for
300 000 each on up and the people who bought them were happy to have them
Um, I like the fact that the tradition continues on. I think there are a lot of people who like
having working air conditioning working brakes, uh, you know, a
A five speed instead of or six speed instead of a four speed or even a three speed or an automatic or some people love the automatic
Anyway, but I think the personalization on these cars
You know, it's not for me, but I I understand it's part of the marketplace
Yeah, um, so I I think you you basically got two trains running
The thing that you know the the original track and the rest amount track
The thing that kind of bothers me about restomads are as soon as they're built
That's when they're having their best days
Because all those parts were available in 2025, but will they be available and what people want to use in 2035?
So in other words, they have to replace the entire brake system. Are the you know, the brakes that are on there. Are they no longer
Serviceable or the parts not available all that sort of stuff. So it's it's an interesting thing
My favorite is the Broncos. I I totally you know, this will you know, put some hate mail out there
Why would you take a 65 Bronco and spend 250 000 making it into a really really super nice?
Uh, 65 Bronco when you can go buy something that looks kind of like it at the four dealer and it has all these working bits to it
I mean, I would concentrate on something else other than the Bronco. I I would rather have a 2026 Bronco than a
1966 Bronco and I know maybe that's just me, but I think
They don't scratch the same itch I get it
But they kind of scratch a similar itch if that makes any sense, Greg
No, no, that totally does and I find it
It'll be very interesting to see what these rest of my self for because they're going to be their own unique market
And it's going to be a lot like customs or hot rods
Who built it, you know, and what parts for being used
Yeah, and I know that there's some builders who are doing just magnificent jobs on the on the 66 and 67 Broncos
And they're just they're gorgeous and you can see the real value in in what they're asking for
But like I said, I would probably rather buy three new ones than that. So
Right, right. Yeah
Yeah
Well, I appreciate your time today. We're uh, tell us a little bit about your business and where we can find you next
Okay, my business is us appraisal. I'm also the publisher and the founder of the Haggerty price guide
Next I'm going on Monday to an Avanti meet in Palm Springs. So, um, I'll be in
I'll be in Palm Springs hanging with some of my homies and my Avanti homies and then
Let's see. I guess next automotive event is probably going to be Greenwich for me or a big automotive event
But the weather's getting better. So I'm going to be out driving. I'm going to be out having more fun
I'm going to be out
My my my goal for the year is less work and more fun. So, uh, I'm working real hard at that
Now I I apologize. I should have started the podcast with this but congratulations
You got a special car into a pebble beach, right?
I did. Yeah, um, those of us who uh, they have given me crap for all of my lifetime
I am an Avanti guy. It's too bigger Avanti guy. I do have an r3 one of nine
And I am over the moon about my car being accepted at at pebble beach
It'll be the first Avanti ever on the lawn at pebble beach
Which is a huge honor. It's it's obviously the you know, the top of the top tier
And oh a genuine world stage and so I'm thrilled to be taking the car there. We're having some
You know, the old joke is it cost 150 000 dollars to restore a car to 95 and the next 5 cost 150 000
I know it's a joke and it's not always true
But you know, I'm feeling that pain right now
I had a car that was probably a pretty good 95 percent or maybe a 92 percent or something like that
But I don't want to have any embarrassment at
You know for anybody's sake at
At pebble beach. So, uh, yeah very much looking forward to August very much looking forward. We're gonna go on the tour
And hopefully everything goes okay there and then we're gonna go on the field and um, it'll
It'll be a monumental event in the life of uh, of Avanti's let's put it that way
So educate us r1 no supercharger r2 supercharger r3
supercharger, but
No, no, that's the r4 which never was never a production car. Yeah, exactly. Um, the they they made one
But it was not a production car. Um, it is a supercharger with an airbox. So in other words, it's under a little bit more pressure
It's a 304.5 cubic inch engine. It has much hotter cam for example
It also has a whole bunch of race modifications. It was Andy Granatelli's project
Keep in mind that Andy Granatelli was on the board not only of stp
Which was at one time owned by studenbacker. Um, but also
On the board of studenbacker. So he was their go-to guy for modifications
And you know, mr. Mr. Indianapolis 500 was also mr. Indiana when it comes right down to it
Of course, uh, studenbacker was a south bend Indiana car company. So kind of all came together with that
So this was a granatelli project the the r3 avonis
Unfortunately, they came at the end of production. I think my car was made two months and two days before they ceased production in the united states
Oh, wow kept going in canada for two more years, but um, they um, um
So there were only nine of them that were finished
At the factory and mine's the first of the nine. So i'm very very fortunate to have found the car
Very very fortunate to have been invited to pebble beach. I feel like i'm
Pinching myself because i'm kind of living the dream at this point
I never thought I'd have a car in the field of pebble and I got accepted. So thank you. Thank you for acknowledging
Congratulations. So it's not it's not me when I say I got accepted the car got accepted. So, uh, you know, it's it's not about me
It's about the cars. So that's awesome. Thank you. Well, thanks so much as always, Dave
And uh, let's do this again in a couple months and we'll review all the crazy numbers that are about to come out tomorrow
Sounds good. All right, man. Thank you
All right. So like I said, those numbers were before the new release and so now I do have some updated numbers here
And before I get to the ferrari's those are the big hitters the big changes in the marketplace
I did want to kind of do a a couple random things like basically I pulled out
10 different cars here that we would typically look at for valuation trends or stuff I find that might be popping in the market
You know, I think the analog era 2000 to 2015 is about the pop. So I looked at at m3
So, yeah, let's check it out. I'm going to run through. I don't know
Maybe 10 cars here and then I'll have five ferrari's at the end that were really impacted by the big buckman sale
And me can consume me recently. So let's start with the bmw m3
Now, this is a 2006 bmw m3
up 133.9 percent number one concord condition 128 thousand dollars go down to number three condition
42 7 up
9.8 percent interestingly enough laguna seca blue is plus 20 percent
Now I helped my sister find one of these
With her for her husband and the laguna seca blue was a crazy premium for one of those. All right next we're looking at
the iconic 1970 dotson
240z first year 1970
140 thousand dollars in number one concord condition up 41.4 percent
Really impressive good condition up 10.4 percent
And if you'll remember dave said a lot of the cars in number four condition actually declined
And this is a good example minus 5.3 percent. Why would that be because of the cost of restoration?
So it's much easier to enjoy a number three car number two car obviously number one car
A number four car might not be running or driving and to get it where it can actually be used
Is quite expensive. So that's why those are probably uh declining
across the board
All right, the next one's a 1957 chevrolet bell air. This is another iconic car from the 50s
I picked the fuel injected version the convertible version number one condition 191 thousand dollars minus 2.6 percent
Strangely number two condition is up 3.7 percent. I don't quite understand that
But that kind of speaks to the 50s overall a lot of folks are moving away from those cars
Some of the exceptions would be a car like this which surprised me. It wasn't up at least a little bit
But I think folks will come back to those as they continue to go down and finally some people will say hey, that's a great car
Let's get one of those
All right, car that's in my garage 1965 forward Mustang hypo convertible. Unfortunately, it's down 1.4
Pretty much across the board basically flat slightly down
And then 1970 iso grifo
Seven liter so this is the corvette powered but european bodied incredibly cool car
It's basically flat
As you go down in condition it declines even more good condition minus 8.3 percent minus 50 000 for an automatic
Transmission those are beautiful beautiful cars
And now let's go to the lamborghini since we're going to talk about ferrari's minus. We'll talk of lamborghini's the 1987 lamborghini kumtash
It's flat number one condition eight hundred seventy two thousand dollars. Those have
Been trending up for such a long time. It seems like they have
Topped out at least for now. I know the murals are still doing tremendously well and increasing in value
And then let's see 19. I'm sorry 2011 lexus lfa supercar up only slightly 2 across all conditions
and then the iconic
1956 mercedes-benz
300 sl gallwing. I was surprised. This is flat number one and number two condition
number three down 3.6 percent and in
Number four condition down two percent. So these have also
Surprisingly done tremendously well considering they're from the 50s and 60s and continue to do very well at auction
But the trends are showing that they're flat
All right, this is a big one the 2006 Porsche Carrera GT
up 65 3.3 million dollars in number one condition
Up 64.5 percent in number two condition up almost 70 percent in number three condition
I don't know that this one includes the record-breaking sale at broad arrow. I have a suspicion it does not
Because I believe that car just sold when david and I did the interview and it had already been they already done the numbers for
the evaluation guide
Now you can see at the bottom it says note paint the sample colors may add 50 percent to 100 percent
To base values depending on how bright or uncommon the color combination was
Which was the case at broad arrow. It went for I believe over six million
Dollars that will be reflected in the next update in three months. Let's get to the Ferrari. So these last
Five four five are all about the Ferraris and the impact of the Bachman sale
So the 1987 Ferrari f40
up 17.4 percent number one concord condition
four million dollars just over four million dollars
Now on to the Ferrari f50 1995 up 52.8 percent to 8.1 million dollars
And it's actually up even higher in number three condition number four condition
Number four condition up 63.1 percent and the numbers get even crazier
Let's move on to the 2003 Ferrari inzo
This is the one that made all the headlines by selling for 18 million dollars number one condition
10.3 million dollars
up 112.4 percent
Even in number four condition up
124.1 percent in the same numbers
But that's not the biggest increase on in ferrari's that would have to go to the 1984 Ferrari
GTO
Technically not called 288 gto. But we called it that way just to not to get it confused with the other gto's
up 142.5 percent in number one concord condition
9.7 million dollars
insane, so
Some really crazy results there and I will do a deep dive on the market trends here in the next few weeks
So be sure to stay tuned as always. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening
Thanks for reading and I'll talk to all of you next week on the collector car podcast
About this episode
Dave Kinney from Hagerty lays out why collector-car values are surging despite broader economic worries, pointing to record-setting auction results across Kissimmee, Amelia, Barrett-Jackson, and RM. He credits a mix of high-end buyer demand (especially post-2005 and newer Ferraris), generational shifts, and the “fun, spontaneous” social side of collecting. They debate whether oddball factory colors and one-off specs (Bachman collection) are sustainable, then review updated valuation trends for key models—highlighting big Ferrari jumps and mixed results for older classics and restoration-dependent cars.
The books have officially landed—and I kick off this episode by sharing the arrival of The Enthusiast's Guide to Collector Cars fresh off the press.
Then we get into it.
I sit down with Dave Kinney from Hagerty, one of the most trusted voices in collector car valuations, to break down what is really happening in today's market. Are prices stabilizing? Which segments are heating up? And where are the smartest opportunities hiding right now?
If you care about where the collector car market is going next, this is an episode you do not want to miss.
The Collector Car Podcast features expert interviews, great collections, and market insights. With 25+ years of experience, Greg helps enthusiasts navigate the collector car world with confidence.
