514-Mount Carmore!!!

Ian, what is happening?

Oh, my dear!

Dave?

Hey, thanks, Jason.

That wasn't so.

Ian?

That was all I had.

I think if you do an impression of me, I can do it back to you.

Apex and Jason, automotive podcast.

We're trying to do impressions of each other and we'll tell you why in a second.

But, yeah, so, yeah, I can do a...

It's fine.

Right.

Yeah, yeah.

And I can do your...

I think I need to know what we're talking about, but I think I can do your ramping

of the pitch of the voice as the information gets more and more upsetting to you.

That's my favorite Dave moment, the conversation.

Yes.

The reason that I wanted us to try to do impressions of each other is because our buddy Jordan sent

an email or a text, I can't remember, and said that he has only...

For a while, he had only listened to the audio version of the show.

Okay.

And he saw us on Instagram and he saw our pictures and he heard...

And he thought, your voice and saw my picture was like, well, that's Ian.

Okay.

And you're in my voice and he was like, well, that's Dave.

Interesting.

Okay.

Yeah.

And so, was it an improvement when you saw the real thing or was it disturbing or like...

Only Jordan can answer that.

So, yeah.

Yes.

Yeah, like how unsettling is it because there's that thing where you hear someone's

voice.

Yeah.

And you watch that movie that Philip Seymour Hoffman did, Capote.

Right?

I don't know if you say biopic or biopic.

I say biopic.

Yeah.

Whatever.

Right?

You watch that biopic.

The first time you hear him speak like Capote, you're like, oh, wow.

Okay.

Yeah.

But then...

We're doing this.

Yeah.

Two minutes in, you're like, that's Truman Capote.

Like that...

Like you're just in it, right?

Right.

But the very first time you hear that, you're like, oh, that sound is coming out of

that human being.

Right.

Right?

And it's...

Yeah, it's unsettling.

Well, it's the other way too.

Like if you...

Like, you know, a lot of times I'll be on the phone with somebody that I'm working

with and then I won't meet them until like several months after I've...

Yes.

Been talking to them on the phone and then you meet them and you're like,

wait, this doesn't match.

Okay.

Now I have to put these two things together?

Right.

Yes.

Can we go back to before?

Before I saw all of that.

Yes.

So if you and I like both peed in a fountain and we had a body swap moment, right?

Uh-huh.

So like if I was in your body, you were in mine, give me the first like 24 hours of

what you would do and I'll tell you what I would do if I was in your body.

Oh, tall guy things.

That would be the first...

All the 24 hours, I would just be like, I would just go around grocery stores.

Looking for people who needed to reach things.

That's all I would do.

Okay.

That's it.

That's all you do.

24-7.

Yep.

Honestly, I can't think of anything else I would do.

Like that Nick Swanson bit where his grandma thinks he's the superhero

because he can reach a light bulb.

You're the strongest.

He lifted up a gallon of milk.

He's the strongest boy in the world.

Jenny and I represent all the time.

Right?

Yeah.

Anytime I open a jar of pickles around here, she calls me the strongest boy.

That's such great couple cannon to have, right?

It is.

Yeah.

One of the best Swanson bits ever.

Yeah.

So good.

So, I mean, do you want to know what I would do if I was in your body?

I mean, I'm assuming just like buy stock and razors and just like down

shaving things.

What?

I don't know.

No.

You would buy a coach seat on an airplane.

That's what you would do.

Overseas flight.

Yep.

I would rent a Ferrari 360 or an F430.

Like I would rent a Lotus Elise, right?

All of the little cars that I can't fit in.

Yeah.

Clean out your crawl space.

I would not catch cobwebs for once.

Right.

Yeah.

You would go ask someone at the grocery store for help getting

something off a high shelf.

It would be you.

Yeah.

That's all that's what we would do.

We just go to the grocery store together and I would hand you things

off a high shelf.

That's all it would be.

And I would be like, wait, this is where they keep the Zesta crackers?

Right.

Yeah.

I would find all the bottom shelf stuff would be brand new to me.

That's where the nerd's gummy clusters are.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I think we would make a good body swap, Ian.

I agree.

Right?

I agree.

I mean, it's a pretty boring day that we've outlined for ourselves,

but hey, why not?

Honestly, I have a feeling you would just sit quietly in my house.

Yeah.

That's true.

Just look around.

There's no children.

Like, oh, okay.

Well, I'm going to work on the sin, I guess.

Meanwhile, dramatic changes would be happening to your family structure.

Great.

I'd be like, you kids and wife are great, but I'm out here.

You're just googling orphanages immediately.

Trying to shove Nico into one of those firefighter box.

Yeah.

No offense, buddy.

No offense.

Yeah.

There was one question too many.

Yeah.

So there you go.

So other than you giving away my children, I think we need to get into it because you

have unleashed something.

Every now and then I have this moment where I kick off a thing that just kind of takes

a life of its own.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

You were quite good at it.

So what we discussed last week was your theory that no automaker has had a better year than

Toyota in 1998 and you conveniently set the parameters real specific.

I did.

So they had, it had to be the most like desirable sedan sports car pickup and SUV as a complete

lineup.

Yes.

I'm looking for this now.

It's called Mount Carmore.

Mount Carmore.

I like it.

Okay.

All right.

Somebody, I hope nobody's done that yet.

Okay.

Well, okay.

So from other Mount Carmores, I had a bunch of responses on Blue Sky.

I also came up with a couple of my own.

Yeah.

So there's your, your Mount Carmore.

It is, it is a good one.

It's good.

Yeah.

So and I have some responses to talk through as well.

So let's, let's get into it.

Yeah.

All right.

Where do you want to start?

You want to start with the responses that you got?

Well, you said you have two.

I want you to book into it.

I want to, because if there's times on the show or, you know, like when we talk to each

other where we take a, like we think about like what we talked about.

Right.

And like, I still think of disco days are conversation around that every now and

then.

Right.

Like episode like what 30 or something like that, you know?

Yeah.

So anyway, like I told you, I was, I've been thinking about this for two months,

but like tell me about like how you've been thinking about it.

And then I want your first one.

And then I want you to bring us to a close with your last one.

Yeah.

So, you know, I think Japanese manufacturer makes a lot of sense because they,

the long history of producing both SUVs and pickups alongside.

Right.

And that is other than Americans.

That's sort of like the only, you know, and then the big conglomerations.

That's kind of the first place to go.

So a lot of the responses I got were Japanese car companies.

And that was my first thought too.

Sure.

But then I was like trying to challenge myself to think like further back.

Okay.

I went down a big rabbit hole with Renault in 1985.

Really?

Like the Alpine GTA, which is like super rad.

And then an Al and Renault owned Jeep at the time.

So there's your SUV and pickup.

Okay.

That one falls apart is the sedan.

There's no good sedan option.

Right.

And what year were you thinking in 85?

85-ish.

Yeah.

Early 80s.

Yeah.

And the Suzuki's 405 MI-16 is 89.

Well, that's, and that's Pugeot though.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Shit.

Sorry.

Yeah.

You're right.

Yeah.

Racist.

All the French are the same to me.

Yeah.

The racist with the least amount of consequences.

Right.

And then I was right before the show, I was really trying to think of trying to

get early aughts forward to work.

Uh-huh.

Because early aughts forward also owned Jaguar and Land Rover.

We will get to that.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

All right.

So I, yeah, I think the, where that falls down is the pickup truck a little bit.

But anyway, so I wanted to do something older and I went 1963 GM.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

So this might be the earliest.

I bet this is going to be one of the earlier submissions.

Okay.

And I see you made a graphic.

So I'm going to throw it up on the browser here.

Okay.

Let's take a look.

Yeah.

Oh, Ian, talk me through this.

Okay.

I cheated a little bit on one of them.

Yeah.

The Riviera is not a Sedanian.

Well, but it's a personal coup.

It's a like personal luxury.

It's a big, that's a big car.

Back in this era, you weren't really sacrificing rear leg room for a two-seater car.

Huge car.

Yes.

Right.

I, because I was, I, there are some Cadillac ones that I had messed with putting in there.

The Riviera is so fucking cool.

It is.

And it's not a sports car.

No, it is not.

So I'm putting it in there.

You can fit a family of four in there easily.

You can.

I mean, in the sixties, you'd fit a family of eight in there.

Right.

Yes.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

You'd have four people across the front bench.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Anyway.

Okay.

But in 1963, so we've got the C2 Corvette, this, this, the Stingray split window.

Yes.

We've got the Chevy Suburban.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

63 Chevy Suburban.

Yup.

We've got the Corvair rampside pickup.

Yes.

Okay.

Maybe not the, everyone's first choice for super utility vehicle, but it's so cool.

Yes.

Because this isn't like, this doesn't have to be the perfect example.

Like if you have some panache on it.

Desireability, right?

Right.

Yeah.

Desireability, um, like rely, like if you want to make a Mount Carmore of reliability,

you know, like, yeah, all that stuff.

So, yeah, I think that the Corvair ramp van, ramp truck is.

Rampside.

Rampside is a wonderful entry into the pickup category here.

Yeah.

And then we've got, and then the Riviera, which.

Yeah.

I'm calling a span for the purposes of this, of this, uh, exercise.

Okay.

All right.

You want to get picky about it that we can put a Cadillac in there.

I think that this might be like a Barry Bonds Asterix home run record.

Okay.

But this is an awesome entry, man.

Like that, the classic, like 63 suburban looks amazing.

Right?

Yes.

Ian, this is, this is GM firing on all cylinders.

Yeah.

Really, really well thought out, man, for sure.

Thank you.

Absolutely, dude.

Yeah.

That's great.

And trying to think about manufacturers that have this cluster of entries is really

tough.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

So I'm going to send, I'm going to send your boss an apology email for the day and a half

of productivity you lost.

Yeah.

The half day was the premeditated Riviera.

Right.

Just vacation.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well done, Ian.

Well done.

Yeah.

So what, uh, let's chop into maybe, um, some of the responses I have.

Okay.

So, um, new listener Ian, our buddy Ian, had, uh, threw his hat into the ring with 1994 Nissan.

Okay.

So we have a 1994 Nissan 300Z as the sports car.

I think there are several, um, there are, I think there are several years of Nissan

that could work for this.

I, I agree that could definitely work.

Yeah.

I think the 300ZX is absolutely something that I would put on par with the Supra in this era.

Right?

Mm-hmm.

The, and we'll get to my, my special spin last, but the, so the A32 Maxima.

I don't know chassis codes for Maximas, but let's do A32 Maxima.

Um, that was, Ian said it was the, when equipped with the five speed, it was the

fastest Japanese sedan available when it debuted.

And the Maxima has always been a pretty good looking car.

Right?

Yep.

Yeah.

I've always kind of liked them.

You know?

Yeah.

Well, I think it wants the one.

Oh, this one here.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yep.

That's right.

It's more boxy than the one that like they had in like the first Fast and Furious.

Remember there was a Maxima in there.

Yeah.

But I like the boxy one.

Me too.

I've always liked this car.

I will say that this was the fierce rival of the Taurus SHO.

So I was very much an SHO stand.

Sure.

Yeah.

And I think you're correct.

This is the, the Maxima, this is when Nissan was going through that four, four DSC branding,

the four door sports car branding.

Yes.

Remember that?

Oh, I do.

Yes.

Yeah.

So the pickup truck and for the SUV, Ian said the D21 pickup, the 1994 pickup and the first

gen pathfinder.

So I had a 1994 pickup truck.

Okay.

Nissan pickup truck.

I had, I've had two Nissan hardbodies, two Nissan D21s, right?

I can tell you that as a 1994 Nissan D21 owner, I was always jealous of the Toyota

owners.

In fact, lowrider magazines and stuff like that in that era, they would sell like in the

catalog stuff, you know, the parts and the body kits and all that stuff, they would

sell conversion kits that would let you put a Toyota front bumper on your Nissan.

I'm not kidding.

That's hilarious.

That was a common swap because the Toyota bumper just looked cooler.

Yeah.

Plus, you're still like basking in the, you know, the back to the future glow.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Toyota pickup.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

So I just found a thing on Reddit where people were talking about like that bumper conversion.

I'm going to see if I can find a.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

So here's what.

Interesting.

Right?

Here you go.

Here's a better one.

Look at this.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Oh, this is a YouTube video.

So yeah, but the front bumper, the Toyota front bumper on one of these things just looks

so good.

That's great.

So as a Nissan owner, and so then the first gen pathfinder, sure.

Is it on par with a Land Cruiser or an LX?

No.

But it is proper body on frame, right?

It is truly a pickup truck.

And so this is the Mount Carmore that I want to give like the, you cannot fucking kill this

group of cars, this cluster of cars.

Right.

They thrive on neglect, Ian.

Well, the ZX maybe not as much.

The ZX, absolutely not.

Right.

But you could put, you could take all the oil out of the other cars and put it into

the ZX.

That's it.

Yes.

And you'd be good.

You could.

Yeah.

So Ian, I think that that's a great entry into the Mount Carmore.

I agree.

New listener, Ian.

That was great.

Yeah.

Thank you for that, Ian.

For sure.

Okay.

Yeah.

Let's do another one that you got, Ian.

Okay.

Yeah.

Let's just give it down to these blue sky ones.

Okay.

Yeah.

Let's do it.

Let me make sure I can get into blue sky here.

Let's copy the link.

Yeah.

Copy link URL.

Let's do it, buddy.

Yeah.

All us Nissan guys were jealous of those Toyota front bumpers.

It's such a weird thing to be jealous of, but here we are.

So this, this one came in as I was making my 1963 GM one earlier.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

And so what else said 1969 GM, which is also pretty dope.

It is.

So this is the Z28 Camaro 1969 and then a step side C10.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's so good.

That's so good.

Yeah.

Oh, I love it.

Okay.

That's pretty great.

And then the wagon.

Which one is this?

I also don't know.

Yeah.

So this is from Marin Weber.

Yeah.

Oh, what is this?

Is this the, I don't know, is there a, is that a Chevelle?

It might be a Chevelle wagon.

Yeah.

I'll look that up while you talk about the last entry there.

And then this is the, I, yeah, I'm not sure what the, is this the suburban from 1969?

That would be the suburban.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yes.

And that is a Chevelle wagon.

That's exactly what that is.

Okay.

Oh, that's pretty solid.

That's pretty good.

Right?

Oh, yeah.

Cause I wonder if there was a four door Chevelle or if it was all just two door or wagon.

No, you can get it, you can get it with a four door.

Okay.

The wagon is pretty great.

It is really great.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

That's also a solid entry.

I mean, I think part of the problem is that GM has sucked for so long that you forget

one point they were kind of like, you know, the auto maker.

Right.

I mean, yeah, like it's almost as if the LS engine is the, is the last tent pole from

and from eras when they had nothing but tent poles, right?

Right.

Yeah.

Just pop it tense all over the place.

Not what you should be doing when you're in my body for the day.

Correct.

Okay.

So thank you, Marin.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's really solid.

Yeah.

Okay.

You want to do the next one?

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Let's see.

You're going to like this one a lot.

Okay.

See, I thought about Mitsubishi and I mentioned Mitsubishi on the show.

Yeah.

So maybe try to do like a DS and like Diverstar Motors sort of thing.

But this is pretty great.

And you know I have a huge soft spot for a 3000 GT.

I love a 3000 GT.

Me too, man.

Love them.

3000 GTs, Dodge Stealths.

Give me all of them.

All of them.

Yeah.

Right?

So cool.

Yes.

Yeah.

The Mitsubishi pick them up truck.

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

I don't know what this, what the pickup pickup truck was branded as.

Yeah.

Just the Mitsubishi.

It was the something 100, M100 or something like that.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Because I think the Raider was later, but yeah.

Right.

And then the Montero SUV.

Yeah.

Right.

Like that's a classic.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Is that also a Pathfinder?

Oh, I don't know.

Yeah.

Because I think that the Mitsubishi Montero was a rebranded thing.

Yeah.

Let's see.

Yeah.

So the Pajero, but yeah.

So the second generation.

Yeah.

Shogun.

Pajero.

I don't know.

Maybe not.

I don't think it was a Nissan.

Yeah.

I don't think so.

Okay.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

And then lastly, the sedan, the Diamante man.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Or is this a Galant?

This might be a Galant.

I can't remember when a Galant came in.

Yeah.

Oh, I like that somebody saw on Blue Sky said,

as a 1991 stealth twin turbo owner, I started with that year

and but ran out of steam real quick.

Yeah.

It's really funny.

I think that that might be a Galant,

but they also had the Diamante,

which was I think a pretty underrated sedan.

I knew somebody that had one.

Yeah.

That might be right.

That might be the Diamante.

Okay.

Yeah.

Because the Galant had the all-wheel drive,

you could get the all-wheel drive system.

Mm-hmm.

And a turbo.

I think it was essentially like an Evo,

like bigger sedan, right?

It was still, I think the four-cylinder

or did they have a twin turbo?

I think it was the same,

it was the same engine that you got

and like the Talon and all that, right?

Yeah.

It was the VR4.

Yeah.

The two-liter four-cylinder.

That's the Galant VR4.

That's exactly what we're looking at.

Yeah.

It is.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Because the Diamante was like bigger.

It was bigger.

Yeah.

Diamante, did they do a Diamante VR4?

Maybe.

They did.

Yeah.

Oh, a Diamante VR4.

No, I don't think so.

I don't think they did.

I think it was just, yeah, the Galant.

Okay.

That mid-1991 Mitsubishi.

That's good.

Yeah.

It is.

Okay.

All right.

Let's do another one of these.

Do you think that challenges the Toyota one?

If you had to, let's take it one at a time.

Would you do this or that?

Would you do the Supra or the VR4, the 3000 GT?

Supra.

I think I would do Supra too.

Okay.

To come a little more.

But it's close.

Yeah.

Mitsubishi pickup or Tacoma?

Tacoma.

I would.

Lexus LS or Galant VR4.

LS.

See, I think I would do Galant VR4.

I know you would.

That speaks to you.

And I think I would also take the Monteiro over the LX.

I could see that for you.

I would absolutely stick with the LX.

But yes.

Okay.

So you are 4 for 4 still.

Yes.

But I'm half and half, I think, on the Mitsubishi one.

Okay.

Yeah.

I think that that's fair.

I think that that is absolutely legit.

And I would ball my eyes out choosing the Supra over the 3000 GT.

Right.

Yes.

That is a real like Sophie's choice.

Right?

That's really tough.

It is.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

Next.

Who sent us Mitsubishi?

I want to give him credit.

Oh, yeah.

Saul did.

Yeah.

That's right.

Okay.

So thank you.

Saul Good.

Yeah.

Saul Good.

That's a good username.

Fantastic.

Okay.

Thank you, Saul.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay.

One of mine.

Eric, I'm saving yours for the last one.

Okay.

So let's see.

Oh, yes.

I got an email here.

Let me just read it word for word for you because I love it.

Okay.

Subject line Nissan Infiniti 2010.

Okay.

2010 Nissan Frontier Pro 4x.

Apparently you could get it with a six speed and it the

Frontier is a documented million mile truck.

It is.

Right.

Yep.

2010 Nissan GTR.

Oh, interesting.

Okay.

Right.

I like when I, when I can mention a car or a listener mentions

the car that causes you to adjust in your seat for audio

listeners.

Yeah.

Oh no, Dave.

I lost you.

Oh, I can still hear you.

You're there.

Oh, I had lost you there.

So you said I like when I can mention a car.

Yes.

And you adjust in your seat.

Right.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah.

Okay.

So then this is where it kind of gets a little odd.

I want to kind of tweak this a little bit, but they said

2010 Infiniti M45.

Come on, exclamation point.

And then for the SUV entry, either the 2010 5.6 V8 path

finder, which I didn't know was a thing, or the

Infiniti QX 56.

Okay.

Right.

So I think the 2010 Infiniti, it was a weird kind of

it was a weird year because I kind of found some conflicting

information because the last M45 was 2010, but also the first

M56 was 2010.

Oh, right.

Wikipedia has the years for both, kind of overlapping.

I don't know if it was JDM Market First, then

US.

I don't know.

While we cleared out the rest of the 45s in the US

and let the 56s roll in.

But my M45, you know, I loved it.

My old man sedan.

So before I bought my LS, oh, and let me finish their

email.

Sorry.

So they said, if you count overseas, the Nissan Patrol

2010 Nissan definitely wins weird intro on my part, but

whatever.

Love the show.

Been listening to years.

Thanks, Dak.

Awesome.

Thanks, Dak.

I like that.

I like that combination a lot.

And I think we count overseas.

So let's, let's say the Nissan Patrol.

Okay.

Yes.

The Nissan Patrol 2010 Nissan Patrol.

The dudes in Dubai put like the GTR engines in and

stuff like that.

Yeah.

Those crazy drifting videos.

Yes.

Right.

So.

Right.

Yeah.

So Nissan Patrol 2010.

I'm going to pull up a picture of it.

So yeah, that's, that's a, I mean, it's essentially

like a better XTERRA, right?

Full size SUV manufacturer since 1951.

Oh, it's the Armada here.

Yeah.

Armada here and the QX 56.

So.

Yeah.

So for the sedan specifically, I think this kind

of rules it out in my opinion.

I love my 45.

I love my M45.

I think that's one of the most underrated cars to

ever be produced.

Right.

It hit this weird sweet spot between five series and

seven series that like nobody plays in that space

really, except Audi kind of dabbles in it with the

A6, right?

But yeah, I don't know.

It's a weird area.

But the 56 specifically, I was, I was, before I

bought my Lexus LS, I was obviously thinking

about a 56 because I'm coming off a 45.

I was like, why not?

You know, and so I started reading stuff about

the 56s, the M56s because you could get all wheel

drive and the sport package and that stuff.

And they had such an insanely finicky electric

system that if you did something like change a

dome light bulb, you needed to disconnect the

battery.

Otherwise you were going to fry some shit.

And so you can find Nissan or yeah, Infinity M

56 out there for like a hundred and a hundred

and ten thousand miles on them, 2010, 2011,

like seven grand because they're just

electrical basket cases.

Interesting.

I think that that like this is in that sob

tubo X area of idea versus the reality of the

car.

I love it.

I think the 45 and 56 is really cool.

And I think the 56 looks good.

M 56 s.

Because you could get the SX, you could get

it with all wheel drive and the sport package.

Oh, yeah.

Look at that.

That's a bad ass looking car, right?

You know what to be honest, I like the

way the M 45 looks better.

Yeah.

Because I, yeah, this like this era of Nissan

design is not my favorite.

Yeah.

The M 45, I think is more stately.

And this is, I would definitely say, I would

definitely agree.

This is the last.

This is probably the last year.

I think there are probably about 40 years

where you could make this argument for

Nissan.

Yes.

Like and you could take any year in that

range.

This is probably the last year.

Uh-huh.

Right.

Yeah.

Where you could reasonably with a straight

face be like, this is a contender.

Yes.

Carmore.

I really think so.

Because Nissan just, it was the

inverse started happening.

All of the Nissan stuff started coming

up into infinity in this era.

Instead of like Toyota has it where it

all needs to trickle down, right?

Yeah.

You know, they weren't, they weren't

looking at the M sedan, which became

the Q70L, right?

Or the Q70.

They weren't looking at that as the

vehicle that you would roll off of

like a Maxima for, right?

Right.

Like if you bought a Maxima, more than

likely you're just buying another

Maxima.

And if you're buying an Ultima,

you're just doing bath salts.

Yeah.

You know, but yeah, if you're

buying an Ultima, you're going to move

to like a Hyundai Santa Fe, a Rogue,

something like that.

Like nobody really like used Nissan as

a ladder to move up because the

reward wasn't there, I don't think.

Yeah.

You know?

Yeah.

I agree.

I think you're right that this is

like the last great era of Nissan

Infinity vehicles.

You know?

Yeah.

I had a taste, Ian.

I had a taste of that candy.

And it was good, Ian.

It was good.

Right?

Okay.

Muddery smooth and good.

Dude.

You want to do one more of my blue

sky ones?

Yes.

Thank you, Dak.

That was a really interesting one.

Right.

And I still think about just how

instantaneous the power was in the

M45.

Yeah.

Because five-speed transmission, no

matter what gear you were in,

335 horsepower V8 just made it

happen.

Didn't matter.

You didn't need to shift for

shit.

Like it just boom.

Any gear you had power,

you also had 15 miles to the gallon.

I really think that would be a

good lemon's car.

Like if you could get your hands on

like a real rough one,

that would be a really intriguing

lemon's car.

Oh, yeah.

That V8 is glorious, man.

It's so good.

Yeah.

Aftermarket support was shit.

But anyway.

Okay.

All right.

So AJ came in

pitching

2006 GM.

Okay.

Mm-hmm.

Ian, talk us through it.

Okay.

So he says,

pre-housing bubble recession GM had

some bangers.

2006-ish,

Z06 C6 VET.

Mm-hmm.

What else did he have?

He had the Silverado SS.

Yes.

The second gen.

The second gen escalated in Yukon.

And the sedan was part of the

weakest link,

but you had the Cadillac CTSV.

Yeah.

A 2000.

And the leave was already

around in 2006.

CTSV.

Mm-hmm.

Let's see.

Oh, yeah.

That's right.

It was that body style before

they got like really good.

Mm-hmm.

That's right.

It was that weird middle ground

before the kind of like the

legendary status CTSVs.

And this is one of those

weird cars, I think, where

like the A5 that we talked about

a couple weeks ago.

Mm-hmm.

Where I think the base model

looks better than the sporty

version.

Yes.

Right?

Because like that front air dam

just makes the proportions

all weird on this car.

Yes.

It looks like a weird drawing

of a car.

Yes.

It's a very cool car.

And I remember like reading

all the magazines about this

and being like,

ooh, that's really cool.

Right.

And then I would see them, you

know, when I would go back to

Michigan, like when they first

came out.

And it'd be like, oh, that's

actually really interesting.

Right.

Yeah.

But no, I think that's a

solid entry.

Yeah.

Although I am not a fan.

I've never been a fan of the

Escalade.

Right.

In that era, that era of

like GM interior, but

just I have like a real

real like I twitch about them.

Yeah.

There's a deep sense memory

that you're repressing.

Like, I don't know if a

if a GM interior molested you

at some point or what happened.

Yeah.

But yeah, yeah.

I see those big fucking buttons

and I just get irrationally

angry.

I don't know why.

Dude, you hate them.

You hate them so much.

Yeah.

Let's here.

Look, let's open the image in

the new tab.

Let's trigger Ian.

Yeah.

Oh.

Yeah.

All those buttons.

Oh, God.

They were everywhere.

They were so bad.

I think.

And the ones on the

driver's side, like by the

door were really bad for

some reason.

I don't know why, but I

always thought that those

headlight switches were just

such a clusterfuck over

there.

Right.

And they all just looked so

cool.

Especially in this car,

like in the escalator,

they always looked really

out of place.

Yes.

You could tell it was a truck

that they tried to

tack nice stuff on to.

Right.

Yes.

It never really

gave you the

opinion that it was supposed

to be that way from the

beginning, right?

Right.

Yeah.

But I mean, as far as like

an important car,

the escalator was hugely

important.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

That kept GM afloat for how

long.

Right.

Yeah.

And then

I mean, the

C6-Z06 was

awesome.

Yeah.

Absolutely legendary.

And the CTS-V was important

for them, too.

It was.

OK, Ian,

I'm going to pitch this to

you, buddy.

Mm-hmm.

OK.

2006 Corvette

Z06.

Mm-hmm.

Or a Supra.

I'm going to take the Corvette.

I had a feeling you would.

And I don't like,

I don't think you're making

a bad choice.

I think,

I think

I think that if

I had the Supra,

I would get frustrated

that it wasn't

more

track focused.

Like I would want to

take it to track days.

Yes.

And I don't think

I would enjoy it.

I think that

I could track the

shit out of this

car and

love it.

And, you know,

and I would

but I would,

on the way to the track,

I would pass a Supra

and look mournfully at it

as I went by.

Right.

That's what would happen.

You would enjoy your time

at the track more in the

Corvette.

You would enjoy the drive

to and from the track more

in the Toyota.

Right.

But ultimately,

I think,

I think the

the challenge of

not being a

prototypical

Corvette driver

at the track day,

would be enough

to

want me to get into this

over the Supra.

Sure.

I get that.

Yeah.

Like I said,

I don't think you're

making a wrong choice.

Yeah.

I think for

for you,

absolutely, right?

Yeah.

I mean,

you essentially turned

your folks like an R32

into a

track car.

Right.

That you refuse to

stop driving on city

streets.

Yeah.

That's why I do

have a quick story.

So I did pick up.

In my in the R32

yesterday,

because

our car was

in the shop.

The blue car was in the shop.

And

Nico's old teacher was the one

in running the pickup line.

Yes.

And I could see she was kind

of like looking at the car,

like, what the fuck is this?

Like,

she was surprised to see me in

it.

And then I had to like,

I had to get out

and then like,

tilt the seat up to

let go.

And,

you know,

I had to like crab walk out

of the alley.

The whole thing.

And then,

and then today I could

go back to the pickup line.

And I was in the

in the blue car and she

said something.

She was like,

Oh, this is a much different

car situation.

I was worried the one

yesterday was going to fall

apart.

All you were here.

We all were teacher.

We all were worried about

that.

I was like, me too.

Yeah.

You said,

you said the thing we

were all thinking out loud

teacher.

I love that.

Yeah.

I love that.

Yeah.

I love that.

Nice.

Okay.

Yeah.

So,

so then if you had to pick

a Silverado SS

over a

over a Tacoma pickup

truck,

I wouldn't.

I would take the Tacoma.

You would.

Okay.

A giant Screamin V8

isn't enough to get you.

No,

because I'll take my giant

Screamin V8 in my sedan

in the CTSV.

I'll take the CTSV

with a stick.

Yeah.

Over an LS.

Yeah.

That's,

that's an easy choice.

It's a choice.

Uh-huh.

Okay.

And then escalate over

LX.

I don't think I need to

know the answer to that.

I don't think I would do

that.

I'd do the LX.

So,

it's again,

it's a split decision.

I would take,

I would,

I would do half and half.

Are there any GM vehicles

from 2006

that get you out

of any of the

Toyota's?

From 2006,

I don't think so.

I really don't.

I mean,

like the Corvette would be

the closest thing,

that like,

for what I like to drive,

you know,

I think it'd just be Supra.

Okay.

We didn't do this with the,

with the 63 option.

Yeah.

Or the 69 option.

Are there,

are there any from 1963

or 1969 that get you out

of any 1998 Toyota's?

The Riviera.

Okay.

The 63 Riviera could unseat

me from the LS.

Okay.

And that is,

if you,

if you want to lure me

into a trap

that is not food based,

you just need

Frank Lloyd Wright

books,

like,

you know,

coffee table books,

Art Deco manifestos

and Mark Rothko paintings.

And I will,

I will Hansel

and Gretel myself

straight into your oven.

Yup.

Yeah.

So the Riviera,

rocketeer vibes.

I love it so much.

Yeah.

There's a,

I play more.

So far I'm the only one

who's picked one,

anything that get you out

of any of these cars.

So far, yes.

Okay.

Yes.

Yeah.

Interesting.

All right.

Okay.

All right.

And then Ian.

Oh boy.

You're going to like,

you're going to like this one.

Okay.

All right.

This is from our buddy Eric.

Okay.

The sender of vanity plates.

All right.

Excuse me.

And you were pointing towards this.

2006 Ford.

Mm hmm.

Oh, I was,

I was trying to get this one.

Okay.

Yeah.

Premier auto group was

at full power during this time.

Okay.

Line up,

pick them up truck.

2006 Ford F 150 SVT lightning.

Okay.

I was,

that's what I was looking up

when we started the show.

I was trying to figure out

what the years of the lightning were.

Yeah.

I couldn't remember if they was,

because they took a big break.

And I couldn't remember if it was

available in 2006 or not.

Yeah.

Okay.

Right.

The one that Jeremy Clarkson drove

on top gear.

Mm hmm.

I've driven one of these.

You have?

Yes.

And it's fine.

Okay.

It feels like a big truck

with a hilarious stick shift in it.

Okay.

And less, it's fast,

but it's not as fast as you think it is.

Okay.

Gotcha.

All right.

sedan 2006 Jaguar XJR.

Yep.

XJR.

Right.

I mean, look at that.

I saw one of these in my neighborhood.

Not that long ago.

Mm hmm.

And I was like, oh,

these look good.

They look so freaking good.

Uh huh.

I didn't like them when they were new.

Okay.

I thought they looked old man-ish and like whatever.

Sure.

You know, like they were trying to do a thing.

They're trying to be, you know, retro or whatever.

But they've aged really well, especially.

So this is not an example.

The fast one definitely looks better.

Yes.

The XJRs look so good.

Right.

Yeah.

So if you look back on these cars, and I remember the big

argument at the time, a similar thing was happening with

Mercedes, uh, with specifically with the E-Class where

they were like, if you get rid of the round headlights,

the customers will revolt.

Yes.

Same thing with the Jags.

They were like, if you get rid of the round headlights as like

BMW giving up the kidney grill, it's like, yeah,

you might as well just burn this whole brand down.

Turns out Jaguar's fully capable of doing that themselves.

But, but you look back on that and you're like,

all those round headlights stands, they had a point.

They had a point.

They were right.

I didn't want to admit it when Ian Callum came into the

scene because I like the Ian Callum vehicles.

Yeah.

So like a 2008, when did, when did they change over?

I think it was, uh, 2000.

Probably 10 or 12.

Yeah.

It's probably later, right?

Yeah.

2010.

Ian Callum was doing the, uh, the XJ8.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

I can't remember.

Yeah.

The XJ.

Mm hmm.

Right.

That was so, that was the Harkins back to the E class or the

Jag E.

Right.

Okay.

So that's the sedan.

All right.

Okay.

And then I'm assuming that you were going to put up a

picture of a 2006 Range Rover, but it broke down on the way to

your screen.

That's exactly.

One of us.

Is that one of us?

The supercharged one?

Is that where we're going?

Yes.

The supercharged.

Yes.

Um, yeah.

I don't usually go supercharged.

Yeah.

Yep.

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

Okay.

So it's a miracle that none of these are on fire.

Yeah.

I'm going to Google on fire.

Range Rover on fire.

Yeah.

This one comes up.

Yeah.

Um, I've seen a discovery on fire myself with my own eyes.

Um, and then for the sports car, Aston Martin V12 Vanquish.

Oh, not, not the Ford GT.

No.

Not the Ford GT.

That was where I was going to go.

I was going to go Ford GT.

Okay.

I like that.

Yeah.

Ford GT or the V12 Vanquish.

If you had to pick between the two, what would you pick?

The V12 Vanquish.

Ford GT.

Really?

Oh yeah.

100%.

Okay.

Again, stick shift, mid engine, rear drive, like, fuck yeah.

Yeah.

And here I am.

Right.

I would pick the Aston Martin.

You would pick the Aston.

I do.

So three out of the four are supercharged as Eric pointed out.

Um, no supercharged Aston's in 2006.

Yeah.

I, I think that this quad factor, this Mount Carmore gets the

ultimate wax wings, Mount Carmore.

Oh yeah.

This would be so good for such a short period of time.

So briefly, the only good thing is you could probably use the

F-150 to tow most of the rest of them.

You could.

You need to.

You really could.

Yeah.

This, I think this is the waxiest, waxiest wings.

This is, it is the antithesis of the Mount Carmore I proposed of

the Toyota, right?

Right.

Like the reliability polar offices.

But man.

Oh man.

For a brief shining moment.

You would be the coolest motherfucker on the block.

Yeah.

Like you had your house repossessed.

Yes.

And so it's so wild how all this stuff like was ramping up like

right before the housing crisis, right?

Or the,

Yeah.

That's what a bubble is Dave.

Yeah.

I know.

But like it's so weird the ways like financial expression

happens in these bubbles.

Like,

Yeah.

Oh, it's wild.

2006 was a bananas year.

It was.

No, I think that yeah, I was going the same place.

And it's the same with the 2006 GM too, right?

Yeah.

Because they own a, they own a bunch of shit then too.

Right.

Man.

That's a really, really good, good entry.

And the V-12 Vantage is a good, good idea there too.

Or V-12 Vanquish.

Vanquish.

Yeah.

I knew what you meant.

Yeah.

Or DB-9.

So that's, that's an option as well.

Yeah.

I would still, I think I would still go for GT.

At least it's a little more reliable, I would think.

I don't know.

Aston Martin.

Who knows, man?

Who knows?

Yeah.

I've seen more for GTs in person than I have Aston's from that era.

Oh, really?

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

I've seen a couple of those.

Yeah.

We talked to a guy at the very first cars and coffee that you and I went to together

about his Ford GT.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah.

Amazing.

Yeah, that is.

Okay.

So, okay.

So all of the ones he picked.

Let's do this.

Let's do the Toyota test again.

Okay.

Supra.

Or.

Vanquish.

I mean.

V-12 Vanquish.

Of course it is.

Of course.

But I know it's only going to be good for 12 minutes.

But those 12 minutes though, Dave, those 12 minutes are so good.

One cylinder per minute.

But then while you're waiting for the pickup truck, just think of how good the pictures

will be that you'll take on the side of the road.

Yeah.

You will take some off.

It's so pretty.

It is.

So, okay.

Aston Martin.

I would take an Aston Martin over the Supra.

Okay.

Now this is one that I'm interested in.

Tacoma or F-150 Lightning?

I would go Tacoma.

Okay.

I would because it would bring back all of the nostalgia that I have for my old hard

body pickup trucks.

It would.

Just like.

So, Peter's buddy Tim that I hung out with and he drove the Nuggy around for a

little bit.

Yeah.

He has a Tacoma.

It's a lot of trucks.

But like I opened the door to his Tacoma and just smelled the interior because I

needed that in that moment.

Right.

You know?

Right.

So.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

I think I would go.

I think I would ultimately go Tacoma as well because it's what I want out of a pickup

truck.

Right.

If I could drive one of them and then hand the keys back, I would go

Lightning.

Sure.

And I was going to live with it.

Tacoma.

Tacoma all day.

Absolutely.

Yep.

Okay.

All right.

Sedan.

Uh-huh.

What about you?

You go first.

Now what?

Oh, it's the jack.

You go jack.

100%.

No, you don't.

You go to the poor house.

Uh-huh.

No, I know.

I know.

It's a terrible decision.

Yes.

It's a terrible decision.

I do not often tell you that you are making the wrong decision, but you're making the

wrong decision.

It's so much cooler.

You have to admit it's so much cooler.

It is cooler, but no way you're getting me out of an LS and into a Jag from 2006.

No.

Not happening.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Okay.

And then the last one.

So far, I'm two and one and you're one.

Right.

Only one that you've changed.

Uh-huh.

What about the LX versus the Range Rover?

You know exactly what I'm going to say, and I know exactly what you're going to say.

Do you?

What do you think I'm going to say?

You're going to say LX as well.

I am going to say LX as well.

Because there's bad decisions and then there's taking a Range Rover over in LS.

Right.

There's bad decisions and there's traumatic brain injury.

Yes.

Right.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

And I haven't hit my head today.

So yeah, I'm going to go LX.

Yeah.

I know that even there, for you, there are some things that it's a bridge too far.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

So far, only two vehicles have made it onto your Mount Carmore.

We haven't had a full lineup, even coming close yet.

No.

For me, no.

Like, and like I was saying when we were talking about this on the show last week,

this isn't like, this isn't what I think everyone should pick.

This is just, this is mine.

This is the thing I obsess over.

And I love what other people have brought to the table.

Yeah.

Eric, you know, Dak and Ian, thank you so much for chiming in.

We've got one more from Blue Sky that we haven't done yet.

Oh, we do?

Okay.

Oh yeah.

Let's do it.

Okay.

Yeah.

The Dragonfish one, the third one down.

Oh, okay.

I missed that.

Okay.

Copy link URL.

Okay.

All right.

It's an interesting one.

Okay.

Let's see what we got.

Oh, and actually I've got a couple of other ones that have come in.

Since we've gone live.

Like as we've been, as we've been going.

Oh no.

This is interesting.

This is 1995 Mazda.

So the B2000 or 9000, B2000 pick them up truck, right?

This, so culturally, many truck wise, I can tell you just like where I was

at it was Toyota, Nissan, and then Mazda, right?

Yeah.

And it was actually more like Toyota Ford Ranger, Nissan, you know,

Mazda, Dakota, right?

That stuff down there.

But okay.

So the Mazda, the Mazda RX7 from 1995, the FD.

Yes.

Right?

Yeah.

The Maxima.

The 929.

That's a 929.

That's right.

That's a 929, which is really cool.

It is really cool.

I knew a guy that had one.

Yeah.

And then the MPV, which I think is a really intriguing choice.

Uh-huh.

It's sort of a minivan.

Sort of a minivan, but sort of an SUV.

But sort of an SUV.

I think we count it.

I think it works.

I do.

I could see cross shopping in LS with, or LX with this.

Yeah.

Why not?

No, but like a forerunner?

Yes.

Right?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Are you just getting responses?

Are you going through them?

No, no, I was just trying to get back to the,

or talk about speech.

Okay.

Yeah.

I, I, this is really interesting.

And I am especially interested to hear how you,

because I think,

I think there's potential for two of these for you.

Really?

You think the 929 is going to unseat an LS?

I think so.

You don't think so?

929 only came with a V6, buddy.

Oh, really?

I'm pretty sure.

Yeah.

Well, I guess that makes sense.

Yeah.

I think that's Mazda did have.

Four cylinders and V6s at that point.

Yeah.

It was the three liter, right?

Yep.

Which is great, but it was such a cool looking car.

It is a great looking car.

Yeah.

What was that 2000?

Oh, 1990.

1995.

95.

Yeah.

Yep.

It was like kind of like the bubbly 90s era,

but like done really well.

Yeah.

It was kind of like what like Buick was going for at that time,

but like actually executed correctly.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I've never thought about that, but you're exactly right.

Or like Oldsville, like what they were doing.

Yeah.

That's what they wanted the Regal and the Cutlass to look like.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, good for you.

But yeah, I've always liked the way these looks.

I thought they were really cool.

But then Supra versus FDRX7.

Oh, man.

I mean, I would go Supra, but I know you would go FDRX7.

I would.

I know you would.

Right?

I think that's just painfully cool.

Right.

Yes.

Amazing.

I love rotary engines.

I love the RX7.

And I think I would take the Supra still.

Yeah.

You know, and I think when it really came down to it, I think the RX7 would be the only one

for me that would unseat something from 98 Toyota.

Okay.

Yeah, that makes sense.

That makes sense.

If they had a V8 in the 929, though, I could see you going for that.

Right.

Yeah.

Like if the Ford partnership was really that gelled?

Yeah.

Okay.

Dragonfish did put in a second entry, which was one that I was really trying to figure out

how to do, which is Honda.

Okay.

And I like this.

I was trying to remember when the Ridgeline came out.

But they all, Dragonfish also cheated a little bit here and substituted the element instead

of the Ridgeline as they're like truck.

Mmm.

That's a disappointed day.

I will tell you that there is nothing worse than a base as Honda element when it comes

to driving experience.

I would agree.

It is so bad at altitude, man.

I love all the interior stuff.

The fold-up side seats, the stadium rear seating, the whole interior is great.

But dude, that engine is so anemic, you know.

I also don't think, and I'm going to duck because I love lots of Honda sports cars.

Yes.

I've driven tons of like sporty civics and everything else over the years.

And we drove the Integra last year and it was awesome.

Integra.

Back-to-back with the Civic Si.

Right.

So, so good.

I can't think of a Honda sedan, like a flagship Honda sedan that I was like, I want that.

Yes.

That's incorrect because the flagship is an Acura RL, which stands for really lame.

Oh.

It, it just, it only came with the V6 around this time.

It did have the all-wheel drive and that kind of stuff.

I was looking at those when I was cross shopping the Infinity M45, but the guy that was kind,

the guy that pointed out, his name is Matt, that pointed out like, hey, have you ever

sent me about an M45 to me?

Like Matt sent me that and I was like, oh, shit.

And I was like, I was thinking about an RL and he was like, you will be bored out of

your mind.

Yeah.

I think you could go, I think if you went older and went NSX and maybe Acura Legend.

Yeah.

And like Honda Passport, but then I don't know if they had like a JDM truck.

I don't think they did.

Maybe they made a K truck.

I don't know.

I don't know enough about Honda truck from that era.

History.

Yeah.

So yeah, I know Honda's tough.

It is because I thought about Honda as well because obviously you start with Toyota

or I did, right?

And I was like, okay, so like let's go out like geographically.

Like who else was bringing it in Japan?

Who else?

Yeah.

Right?

I'm just kind of running from there.

Yeah.

That one's really, really hard.

It is.

And it's one of those ones that I feel is difficult because you like there's enough

there for you to keep thinking about like trying to make it work.

Right?

Yeah.

Well, that's like I spent so much time on the Renault thing, like trying to make the

Renault thing work and it just doesn't.

Yes.

There's another Chevy one for you.

Oh yeah.

Okay.

We're going to have to put a moratorium on, on this for this show and start rolling

stuff to the next episode.

Yeah.

57 Chevrolet.

Yes.

Winning.

C1 Corvette.

I think I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and say I think 63 is better.

Okay.

For me, for me, I think because he's got the Riviera.

Yes.

And I think the C2 Corvette is the one you want, right?

Yes.

Well, I like the looks of the C1 myself more than the C2.

Yeah.

Interesting.

I think it's because it's more like Triumph bug-eyed Sprite, like that kind of.

Right.

Yeah.

Like it's more roadster than sports car feel to me.

Yeah.

514-Mount Carmore!!!

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