521-BLEEP BLOOP!!!

Ian, Dave, Ian, I got to say, I am very, very curious.

We actually paused our pre-show conversation, and I did the, bup, bup, bup, and I did my, I

have, since we do this remote, I have a robot finger that comes out of your computer and

goes up against your lips.

No talk, don't speak.

You've been doing some stuff with that robot hand.

I'm going to take it back.

I can tell it was sticky from here.

But you, you ventured into my world, right?

You, you came into my domain and you joined me recently at the bleepiest of bloopiest

bleep bloop concerts.

I did.

I went and saw Autekara with you.

You did.

And I will say it, so I'm going to get right off the bat.

I enjoyed it.

Okay.

Yeah.

I legitimately really, really enjoyed it.

Yeah.

I don't know how I would describe my enjoyment to someone.

Right.

Yes.

And, and I understand, like, if you came away and said you didn't like it, I would know why.

Also, when you said you did enjoy it, I know why.

And like, I can, I can have my guess, like I could make a guess as to why I think you like it.

And then if you want to like verify that or kind of let me know if my mind's kind of

moving in the right direction as to like the connections I've made.

But yeah, for anybody who doesn't know, Autekara is

an incredibly formative electronic duo from the UK.

Yeah.

I mean, like they've influenced so many artists that you love.

And about 15, some odd years ago, they took a super weird turn in their career and just

started basically making like kind of like almost algorithmic music.

Like it's all programmed and it's like they,

like when you make a video game, you make the engine.

Right. So for every kind of like album, they're essentially making the game engine for the album,

for like all of the sounds and everything.

And then that's what's happening when you see them live.

Right. Well, and what's funny about that too is that like that was sort of

Eno's like original idea about what like ambient music and like early electronic music

was going to be like way back in like the early 80s.

Okay.

He was that was his goal.

That's what he talked about was like that the music would become its own thing.

Like engine.

Yes, exactly.

Like exactly what you're describing.

Yeah.

And so he made things that, you know, with what the tools he had at the time,

do exactly that.

Right. So he's like making a thing that makes things.

Yes, exactly.

Yeah.

So it is interesting to see like, oh, this is the idea that he had along like 40 years ago.

And right now it's like actually kind of happening.

Yeah. I think that there's an element of ambient music where like there's a portion of it that's

you almost as a listener expect to just be presented to you.

Not like played for you, but just you just happen to observe it at that time.

Right.

You know, yeah.

And I don't think all tech are falls into that category.

But I think it does though.

Some of it's pretty ambient.

Yeah. Yeah.

Right.

So I had this idea that we could describe all electronic like subgenres

by where the fax machines are fucking.

This is what I was thinking about on the walk home for the concert.

Okay.

So I think that a lot of all Tucker's music sounds like two fax machines fucking at the aquarium.

Okay.

Because it's very glitchy fax machine fucking.

But it's like there's other like weird shit happening in the background bubbles and bloops.

And I was gonna say like steel mill for this one because this one had more of like kind of an

industrial bend like actual metallic sounds than the previous time I saw them.

Yeah.

And I will say I that was one thing that I did enjoy.

I the the that part that spin on all Tucker's music.

I liked better live.

Yes.

Like listening to an all Tucker album front to back is a challenge for me.

Sure.

Yeah.

But the I the this was much more driven and like felt like it was going someplace.

And I really like some of the transitions where like it barely qualified as music.

Right.

Yeah.

A minute at a time.

Right.

And then they like they landed it.

You know they got it back.

It like kind of came back together which was really cool.

Yeah.

Like that I like that a lot.

Anyway.

Okay.

But I digress.

So the no.

Yeah.

The fax machines fucking thing.

So like ambient music is fax machines fucking at the airport.

Right.

It's very.

Yes.

Kind of removed.

It's up in the speakers.

But look at modern airport.

Yes.

Right.

Yeah.

Fax machines fucking on the runway is dubstep.

Yes.

Like a luggage cart crashing into them.

Yeah.

Right.

And a jet starting up.

Yes.

Uh-huh.

Yep.

Okay.

Yeah.

A glitch is three fax machines fucking.

Right.

Yeah.

They're they're bringing in a third.

Yeah.

Okay.

A terrible situation.

Yep.

Sure.

I get that.

I like this.

House is just fax machines fucking on the dance floor.

You know.

Right.

That's just like your suburban missionary fax machine fucking.

Right.

Just so vanilla.

Yeah.

What's that?

Or like that.

Oh God.

What's that bloodhound lyric?

Bloodhound gang lyric.

Oh, let's do a doggy style so we can both watch X files.

Yeah.

Right.

Like you do it on the discovery channel.

Yes.

Uh-huh.

Yeah.

So anyway, I think I think you could describe every genre, every subgenre of of of the

electronic music that way.

Where when you describe our talker to somebody, what subgenre do you say that they exist in?

Yeah.

I I basically say like that it is the bleepiest of bloopiest.

Right.

And that it is it is very obtuse and it's designed to be that way.

Mm-hmm.

Um, and that like if it's not your thing, it's not your thing.

Right.

But like if it happens to be your thing, then you're going to freaking love it.

You know.

Yeah.

And I think like just saying that like, you know, it telling saying that they do

play in complete darkness because it's just two dudes behind laptops.

I had forgotten that you told me that and I that.

Okay.

Yeah.

Keep going.

Yeah.

No, go ahead.

Yeah.

I was just to say that was part of the reason why I don't think I could describe to

somebody why I enjoyed it.

Right.

Because like I'm I'm sure I'm not I'm still not sure that I'm sold on it as a live experience.

Right.

However, I enjoyed it more than I did listening to their albums.

So obviously it is better live.

Would not tell you why though.

Right.

Like thinking about like, you know, sounds, sound quality and like concert volumes.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, I was with headphones.

I was out with earplugs in like standing in front of a giant speaker.

Probably not the best way to hear.

Like high fidelity type music.

Right.

But the music was different than it is on record.

Yeah.

So so there is an entirely different thing that happens to your body truly.

And there is science that backs us up when anything from a 40 to 20 hertz tone courses

through your body.

Okay.

Right.

So like it so that is those are frequencies that are used in dementia treatments.

Right.

Because they stimulate like neuron regrowth and like preservation of like what you have

like truly there are neurological impacts to having to your body being blasted with base frequencies.

Huh.

Right.

It like it's it's crazy.

I didn't know this until like I remember that whole thing with like the weird red lights

flashing in the White House with Trump and like dementia and all that stuff.

Right.

Oh yeah.

So so there is truly a like a red light flashing dementia kind of treatment.

And in our neighborhood I could actually see that happening at one of our neighbors houses as

this elderly lady was going through like the worsening stages of dementia.

And it was an incredibly sobering and kind of like it was a little bit scary to see

like at night time just looking like out your window and seeing this happening

in somebody else's house like knowing the impact of like what's happening to them

and their families lives and everything.

And so I started reading up on this like this dementia therapy or treatment therapy.

It's not even like really treatment because it like at that point like you can't really do much.

Right.

Like right.

It's is one of those like crazy diminishing returns things but you know people do it right.

Something to make the family feel like they're doing something.

Honestly probably it does more of that than it does for the for the person.

But there are truly scientific benefits to having those bass frequencies course through your body.

Interesting.

That like I think that that's one of the kind of unifying like euphoric feelings that

bring so many electronic music crowds together is that like especially for like

you know like very like dubstep is so in those sub bass frequencies and stuff like that.

Right.

Like those those like really kind of like more festival electronic subgenres like

really rely on that you know or kind of like move that forward.

And so so experiencing that live is I love it like I love it so much.

I love that feeling when you and I saw DJ Shadow the bass was coursing through our bodies

when I saw the Chemical Brothers at the Uptown Theater in Kansas City in 1998.

That was my first experience where my freaking jeans were like rattling against my legs

because the bass was so insane.

Right.

Imagine block rocking beats and electro bank when those bass hits like just oh yeah like

I just had that hair on the back of my neck stand up feeling right.

And so having that with like such insane obtuse structures to their music like I had

a realization when we were when we were listening to Autech or because I don't even

really want to say watching because even though the lights were out you could just barely see them.

We were all still mostly facing the stage.

Yeah.

Everyone was still facing that was the weirdest part honestly was the crowd

experience because like it's totally different than a rock show.

Yes.

And even other electronic shows that we're like they rely on like lights and lasers and stuff

right.

Well and I think at one point I could have like put my arm we were close to the stage

and I think it was a lot of people there.

Yeah they have a following.

But I could have like put my arms out and spun in a circle not hit anybody which was

like that was weird.

Like there's no like crowd to crowd interaction really.

It's a very like one to one thing whereas I think with most shows you're there for the shared

experience but because the lights are totally out and you're not dancing.

Right.

Yeah.

Because I mean which beat do you dance to?

Right exactly.

Exactly and I don't think I told you this yet but I had my eyes closed for about 95% of the show

like just straight closed like when I saw them before 10 years ago they played it like it

was even darker.

I think that they maybe like safety wise just have like just a tiny bit of light

but it was still very very dark like but when I saw them at the blue bird really

the green exit signs were really all you could see and that was it.

It was really wild.

Yeah yeah it's a it's a very surreal experience so it's one of those shows and and bands that

is like not to sound cheesy it is an experience you know like you come away from it like having

seen a thing right you haven't really gone to a show but you had an experience you know.

Yeah and I think I enjoyed it.

Right.

The only thing I can explain it and like also there's no breaks right so there's no like

it's not song they're not playing songs right and then being like okay our next one is

you know and there's no stage banter.

Right.

Which I love because I hate this.

Do they like say anything at the end or do they just leave?

No they they waived and one of them waived.

Yeah uh-huh yeah they kind of ducked down right at the end.

The ending was really interesting because you you could tell they were wrapping it up it was like

it is just pummeling you know break core and beats and stuff like that and and sounds and

but you could tell that like they were closing the show with like how they crafted

the sounds to like a closing point like and you were saying like the transitions like

and I think that's a huge thing about them is like that movement from like where you are and

like following like your brain hooks into like one weird sound that sounds like they're hitting a

metal thing and then like you follow that for some reason until like it becoming more like

blunted and like how it's playing off of other stuff and like I I have no musical talent.

I don't know much about music theory and stuff like that like sharps flats you know like major

minor chords sure I know some of that stuff but like I don't know what harmonizes with what

you know but like this stuff is happening and it's just like I had a realization during

the show I probably tried to say this a few times so I apologize if I keep saying I had a realization

during the show but it is the aural it is the audio equivalent of listening to a Rorschach test

yeah right yeah because I think that like you find kind of what you find in it you kind of don't

have a choice in it the picture looks the way it looks to you like you can't make it look

like something else in your head but it kind of looks different for everyone there right yeah well

I think that I think there's lots of great music that's like that too where it's like there's a lot

going on right and you hear something different every time you listen to like a rewards repeat

listens you know like I think of like even a pop song really a pop song like hero like David Bowie

heroes where it's like I can listen to that song on repeat for the rest of my life and

every single time I will hear something different yeah like there are so many things going on

but without talking I know exactly what you're talking about we're like I would latch on to one

beats uh huh yeah and then I would be like bobbing along to it and then I would like look

over and I would like see your head moving to a different beat right yeah and then I'd be like

well what is he listening to and then I would latch on to that right right right and you're like oh

they're just they're all in there together and that is cool I like that yeah um it's definitely

interesting yeah I figured the the the things that resonate would resonate with you was just

like absurd technical complexity like it's prog music it's prog like it's prog rock with

computers is all it is right like they are the grateful dead of electronic music

well but or like king crimson or any of those bands were like and they're some of that music

I don't necessarily enjoy all of it right but then there'll be like a little piece will

flow by and I'm going right right what were that yes you know yes um and I I enjoy chasing those

yes like I like it's all it's almost like it's the same thing of like digging through the record

crate yes right but just doing it with your ears yeah um yeah I don't know and I think that I can I

could tolerate a pretty big miss to hit ratio right right in order to find something that I

really love in like a prog record or an electronic record yeah like that so yeah I feel like this probably

set like helped you kind of realize where that bar is more like like when I like was in crazy

cycling shape and I rode the triple bypass right like I found my limit for how long I want to be

on a bicycle right like not that there's anything bad with the triple bypass right or anything bad

with ottecker right but like that you kind of like you kind of like it's at this place and you kind of

like okay like I'd like up to here and like earlier I was like I kind of liked a little bit less I like

a little bit more you know kind of like floating and kind of like further defining like like where your

taste like boundaries kind of begin and end you know yeah yeah yeah I figured like the like

the most improvisational jazz that you listen to has very similar kind of connective lines to

what ottecker is doing right yeah well yeah I think yeah jazz and prog are already like very

closely linked so and a lot of electronic music I think is very the stuff that I like

you know like glitch is that way too where it's very groggy where there's overlapping things and

yeah people get nerdy about the math and all that sort of stuff right yeah I do like that stuff

but also I like just like punk rock yeah exactly right yeah that's one of the reasons that it's all

so great right like I will go to bat for green day dookie any day of the week and then like

and then I can be hit with like the freaking like the it was like in world war z when all the

zombies are climbing over each other to get over the wall it was like that with fax machines to make

the sounds to get off of the stage yeah right yeah what's the car equivalent of ottecker oh man

I think it's surely it's something German I I do think I do feel like something very German

because it is over engineered right right and but it's it has to be something that has very

very approachable beginnings because I think if you listen to like the first two ottecker albums

you would really enjoy it because it's just like very peaceful you know very like more ambient

focused very structured things that are very easy to enjoy you know so I feel like something with

very humble beginnings very unassuming beginnings but like something where you could tell like oh no

this is really this is really onto something you know like but then like takes a turn you know

the portion 959 oh yeah like Apex twin is like the Ferrari f40 yeah yes yeah yeah like you get a

little scared with Apex yeah every now and then yeah you happen across that rubber Johnny video

and you're going to pee yourself a little bit yeah um yeah also I just love it whenever a DJ

just drops window liquor into a set just out of nowhere when we saw the guy open for DJ shadow

Holly he just threw that on just yeah yes yeah um but anyway yeah so I don't know yeah did you

kind of have any automotive associations beyond like maybe the 959 no I just thought of that

question just now I think uh yeah it's definitely like if there was like a car that was that you

enjoyed but you couldn't quite put your finger on why yes and maybe it's a little over complicated

but that didn't detract from it right you know honestly the gsf might be a good oh yeah

a good thing too we're like there's just there's something there

right works but it shouldn't right yes it yes it shouldn't work and you know that they weren't

really thinking about you when they made it right right yeah they were kind of more thinking about

just making it than like you enjoying it yeah yeah I don't know yeah the the the fan the the crowd

interaction piece is something I'm still like trying to mull over and maybe like well I don't

like would that be better in a seated auditorium right yeah I don't know yeah exactly yeah because

it's like I don't know it's it's it's really odd the first time I saw them well I've only

been fortunate enough to see them one another time you know but I'm so thankful that I have right

because it like I was telling you like this is like such a weird book in like for like so many

changes that my life has gone through like I saw them like 10 years ago and have had like all

the life changes since then right yeah you know and so like seeing Autecher and then you know 10

years ago and then seeing them now both in October by the way like just mind bending right

and yeah I don't I don't know I don't know it's just it's it's it I've never seen a show where

they were like okay guess what it doesn't matter what we look like it doesn't matter where you

stand it doesn't matter which way you face we're gonna take all of that off just off the table

right like yeah you're still gonna bump into people every now and then because it's a concert

right and it's still gonna be really loud because it's a show right so you just still

have like crowds stuff but like you're not gonna be mad if there's a tall person in front of you

right you know like yeah it's just it's weird to have like stuff just taken off the table out of like

such like you were saying like electronic music relies on so much stuff like they rely like

electronic music kind of relies on a lot of gimmickry sometimes you know to kind of like

manage it's all about managing the energy of the crowd right and kind of like it's an extension

of DJing where like you're taking folks just like a rock band does like you kind of want to bring

them up and put them back down and kind of bring them up again but like electronic music is kind of

like almost like I don't know like DJs are very much more kind of like managing that in real

time like oh that is hitting with this crowd like I'm gonna lean into this kind of stuff more right

and Autekker's like no like none of that is going to be a factor we don't want to see you

right we don't want to know like how you're moving in fact it'd be better if you weren't here

honestly I think so like yeah I mean they're not assholes in interviews they're like genuinely

nice guys yeah Rob and Sean but um yeah yeah we'd be doing this without you I think it's kind of

the vibe right yeah yeah I don't know I'm I'm so so thankful to share the experience with you

because I think that that's that was my favorite thing with with the show was just you know a

friend of mine John flew in you know from from New York and a Gerardo accompanied us and just

just to share that experience with other folks I think was really important to me and I really

appreciate you going and like you are a very very omnivorous person like you will try any foods

right right yeah you know and I think that like you have that approach to music you're up for anything

especially live like yeah I really like seeing live music and yeah I I've had good live uh

electronic music experiences and bad ones sure and like I think I think I've went to a few shows

with you and I think most of them I've really enjoyed like I think the only one I didn't really

enjoy it I think plaid was like the one where I was like this is two dudes on their laptop right

yeah we're watching them craft a powerpoint right now I'm pretty sure right I wish you could have

seen their pre the previous show because that one I think I I still think about that show

so much yeah it was so much better yeah well and the first time we saw DJ shadow was not great

right right yeah wrong venue and then we saw um uh at the gothic and it was like oh my god this is

like one of the best shows I've ever seen yes right yeah yeah yeah I'm so thankful we saw air

together that's still one of my top five concerts yeah right yeah yeah and I was I was seeing about

like autecher and kind of that like the french weirdness right like because like so is it like a

crazy like an old citron you know you're like what did Jeremy Clarkson say like you're steering it

with an eggplant or whatever right like weird just to be weird right like it's not it's not

that it's not weird just to be weird it's like it is obtuse to be obtuse right like yeah it's

a little up there on butts oh very much very much and stay off of the fucking reddit never never go

okay I can only imagine oh I can oh there must be the most pedantic people on the planet you know I

I think it runs the gamut I dip in every now and then just because I want to see if somebody's

put up like a new bootleg recording or something like that and and this is a cool thing about

Autech right so they are not making albums anymore they're only releasing their live recordings

and you get them on bleep you buy like they put out like a batch and like you buy a batch and then

if they come back and add like shows from that tour later you just get them you just get them

if you buy that batch right or you can pick them up for like $2.99 a piece or something like super

cheap for like crazy high res you know and um yeah like uh I don't know where was I going

what the ready oh yeah yeah like somebody like posted in the thread for the Denver show like

that was like I like the first two albums what the fuck was that like it was horrible and like a few

people up most of it was like you know like why why haven't you listened to any of their stuff in

the last 10 years you know like what the hell were you expecting whatever okay but then the

few people were like hey you know like totally get it I can see how you think that

like the band took a turn dude like we don't know what to tell you they just have it's either

your thing or it isn't you know and like you know you may want to try to like check this or this out

and kind of see but hey totally get it like understand so you know but yeah there's

definitely that like that pedantic yeah and I think like we see this a lot like in car culture as well

where like the more obtusa thing is the more people feel like that they're in the no

and that they have something special and that manifests itself in really shitty ways on message

boards and in social media and stuff like that absolutely right yeah yeah that said everyone around

you and I was totally cool during the show we all had a great time and yeah you know so anyway

but it is well thank you again it was very no problem no problem it is like listening

to a Rorschach test it really is mom yeah why are all these songs about my mother

yeah so anyway I very much appreciate you coming into my world you know

yeah it was bleep and bloop sir exactly yes and we're apparently just doing a music show today but

yeah yeah but thank you Ian thank you I I have some beyond our kind of discussion I do have some sad

news if you want to get to that and then we can we have some other stuff I have a license

play game for you I know you have an album of the week it's the all-tecker discography I'm sure

of but our buddy Eric sent this over and Ian you probably already know this

but we gotta pour one out I'm not gonna do it because I have like electronic stuff around here

maybe I'll go outside and pour one out yeah pour one out the podcast just stop

for for the Lexis LS man 2026 is gonna be the last year I saw that yeah um my favorite

take on that was that somebody was like I would have lost money if anyone had asked me if like

the Genesis GV 70 was gonna outlive the Lexis LS right yeah yeah 2026 will be the the last

and they're doing a special edition of course it's gonna cost not godly amount of money

the MSRP starts at 100,000 yeah um yeah but I mean so the the the v8s have been gone for a few

years now they're doing twin turbo v6s those are all the 500 line um I drove one I had that loner

took mine for like a pre-sales inspection and a little bit of work to a Lexis dealer

and it was great but I kind of like the feeling of my v8 more you know I don't know I think like

the Lexis v8 the way Lexis did v8s was different just different it had its own spin on the ball

and I really liked it like we love the GSF we still think about that car yeah right well and

I think the the like the legacy of the LS is very much like bringing some of that it was the template

of how to bring what Mercedes have been doing with s-class forever yeah down to the masses right

like how to commoditize basically luxury right yeah and take take the stuff that was developed for

these flagship huge sedans and then move it down into the Toyota cars and all that sort of stuff right

yeah um like that was really their big innovation and like the I think like the dealer experience

right yes service dealer yes yeah definitely step up the game but it totally did change things but

then SUVs sort of like made all of that moot yeah yeah um and now like the legacy of this is sort of

lost on people I think like how how big a deal it was when the LS came out right like 89 or whatever

it was yeah yeah the LS 400 mm-hmm yeah like there were so many things that we saw like you

mentioned like the dealer in service like the dealer in service kind of like experience was and

reliability was so good that they could put that fucking ugly spindle on the front of their cars

and people still bought them it was like guess what that we all learned in real time that that

shit how the car looked did not matter like people just didn't care Doug DeMiro talked

in depth about this you know like that like it just yeah so I feel like I need to credit him for

like talking like that kind of like realization but like that that experience was so good like that the

there were some weird kind of cultural pieces that like well before I get to that I definitely

want to touch to like some cultural pieces but like what you're saying about kind of like the

their positioning of each of the cars and kind of like this like the Toyota to Lexus dividing line

like you were there were so many people that had an Avalon and then went to a Lexus right

like they the Avalon was an insane bang for the buck car it really was and like Lexus like

okay we know these customers are going to have like a little bit of money right and like they're

going to love this car we're like it is designed for for this certain kind of demographic they're

like it is crack cocaine to them yeah and that is absolutely going to get them in for a Lexus

well and I think what's interesting too is they're like so I mean they're not

I think people think about Lexus as sort of like the first iteration of that like

we're gonna have a sub brand and then our luxury ride sort of thing but I mean that was what GM was

for years right like Cadillac was the thing that you aspired to and then Buick is what you got

on the way up and Pontiac was what you wanted to do when you just were gonna get drunk

and crash into a tree and and then and then you you graduated through the through the ranks right

and yes and but Lexus remade that for like the modern era because I mean by that point by

the late 80s that was already sort of falling apart for GM yeah and and the Germans didn't

really have that idea so like they remade that and actually like did the cool thing of again like

taking the stuff that was successful upmarket yeah and moving it into their downmarket cars

which wasn't really a thing before them right right that they made the technology cheap enough

to put it in at volume that on lower on lower end cars yeah it felt like Cadillac didn't start

doing that until so much later in the game right yeah right they were it was more of like a coach

builder sort of thing where like you're the underpinning was largely the same right but then

you got like you know maybe you got a bigger engine or something like that but it wasn't like

you know all these like electronics and these other innovations that went downmarket yeah you

you only got that amount market cars right right yeah and then we saw like the other brands that

started doing that like you know definitely infinity and Nissan and Honda and Acura like

they're got to a tipping point where because of everything getting shittier it went the other way

all of the cheaper stuff just started going upstream into their top-end vehicles and I don't

feel like Toyota and Lexus ever truly fell prey to that with certain models I feel like

the RX I think that did suffer my wife said two different RXs I can tell where they have

where Toyota stuff has come into her second Lexus when it was not present in the first

you know um but I don't feel like that kind of stuff has touched the LS specifically

you're right and I think that Lexus is of those like original like three luxury brands that spawned

around the same time right because it was Lexus and then it was Acura and then it was infinity

I mean infinity is a fucking mess oh the worst like the worst out of all of them when it comes to

those three like what have they like that brand just needs to go away and I like you know how

much I love my 2006 M45 like that was like like I Indiana Jones hat that like got one of the

good ones right before they like really got bad right and I mean Acura I don't know

why is Acura right right and then the newcomer is Genesis right and it's

like I can still describe what a Lexus is and what it's for like why Lexus exists and who

it's catering to still a very clear answer even even with the LS gone like but Genesis just seems like

I have a harder time with that right like it's it's very flashy looking kind of

gauche interiors uh-huh for Nuva rich people I don't know I don't know who who the Genesis

is for people who are buying them I'm not just here exactly here though right right yeah and it's

not necessarily like just for Instagram influencers right like it's not entirely image like it has

some substance to it right on the Genesis side but yeah you're right like it is a very

it is it is the album that you're like oh this band hasn't found its voice yet right like you can

tell oh this is their song where they're trying to do that thing to see if that works for them

or they're trying to do that to see if that works for them and it's not a good album

right right it's the chris gains yeah of car of car manufacturers

well you know I mean you know that's still garth brooks under there you do you do know it's garth

brooks there is no even like pre-internet we all knew it was garth brooks right yeah we're full

of nobody we know it's a Hyundai uh-huh fine it's fine it's a nice Hyundai right I do you think

that like Lexus of all of the like second brands that have come out over since Lexus yeah it still

has the best identity of all of them yes and and I think that that includes with some weird-ass

missteps like that they have they have I think done some things wrong as a brand

that have really shot them in the foot that they that I think kind of contributes to the LS going

away like okay Toyota had the Prius Toyota had the Prius technology right why was like really the

only Prius kind of based Lexus so bad like so slow so like it's a fine car

like lx h thing lh lc yeah the lc 250 I think oh it was the it was like the lh 1000 right

no is the um it was the little hatchback yeah uh oh wait ct 200 h is what I'm thinking I knew

there was an h in there somewhere yeah right there has to be yeah this little buddy yeah it looks great

but like but it's not I don't know it's not enough you know this is like very much like um

the very cheap uh accurate that is like is a civic right like from like maybe the lx or whatever

yeah from especially like the like the 20 year ago one that like you would see when you went to

Canada you know because they didn't sell them stateside yeah um yeah and like I feel like

that they did not do enough when it came to like having a full electric car when they like this

is Lexus like they absolutely with all of the hybrid technology all of that stuff that they developed

they should have taken a big chunk of tesla's share like they really should have they had

the infrastructure they had the management they had the money like they had the rnd and

the customer base they had the customer base you're exactly right right I feel like I mean

the average ls driver is driving 30 miles in a week yes correct yeah making buku box right

yeah I am not the average ls driver the average new ls driver yes there you go yes

exact is you know a recent retiree or you know and like driving to the golf club and back

you know thank you right you don't need 400 miles of range for that person right you

need it to be silent yeah and comfortable and spacious and those are all things that EVs can be

very good at right yeah and like even if it is a hybrid like you've have such an incredible

platform with everything that they've developed for the Prius the Prius Prime slapped so hard

that was a truly fun vehicle right like you have the means to make this happen like

it's like Bob Ross standing in front of an easel and then just dipping his afro in the

paint slamming it on me so okay fine like I I would actually kind of buy that too but

like that's not the move you should have made dude like yeah you know I so I don't know I like

I I love my Lexus LS I only plan on replacing it with another LS

like that's all I want to do is I just want to keep buying used ls's over and over for the

rest of my life you know a little harder now it is a little harder now yeah so yeah I'm I don't

know I'm a little upset by it yeah yeah especially because it was the it was the model that put

him on the fucking map man it was the one that like it made everybody think about what they were

doing everyone thought about what they were doing and rethought about like Porsche canceling the 911

right yeah you know

yeah I don't know I'm disappointed I'm going through the stages of grief with this

denial anger right yeah now I get it and I I'm with you I do think it's it is kind of a

bummer like it's not my favorite car or anything but like it's it is a bummer that

this the big sedans are going away yeah right I love a big sedan man I love my LS

you know like just crushing road trips in that thing anytime we have to go to high planes

okay sure yeah not a problem you know like it's it is the car that does that thing right like I

I love driving you and pita back from the run the jewels concert like you guys sitting in the back

well and but to your point about the um the electric car thing like now those the LS buyers

are buying lucids yeah and Tesla's to a lesser extent right Porsches BMWs high cans and stuff yeah

you know yeah BMW has the i7 now the all electric seven series so like there are other

options and they're they're all gone electric car like and Genesis right yeah so

so yeah I think you're right I think the lack of a full electric option is probably what's killed

them here yeah I really do my wife and I've talked about it a number of times right like she like

when they finally did the all electric rx she was like why is it this way like why does it have

this limit of range why is it this much money why is it still just like so rx-y that like

mm-hmm you know it doesn't really like it doesn't land you know yeah I do want to touch on something

cultural that I I never thought about it before until a friend of mine brought it up so I have a

friend of mine he's I don't know maybe maybe about 15 to 20 years older than I am okay and

he's Jewish his family's Jewish and um his like at one point his father was gonna buy another car

and like he had done well with whatever he was doing and like he could afford something nice

right mm-hmm and my friend was like oh you know like hey like I mean the Mercedes S-class is

really you know like that's kind of the nicest like that's you deserve something really nice

and his dad said that like that you know like he understands like how things have changed from

like world world war two and stuff like that but when he's like he still had such a such a rough

time that like he every time he saw a Mercedes Benz he he just saw like flashbacks of Hitler and

like the the Mercedes Association with the Nazi party and all like he could not divorce himself

from that cultural impact and he's like like yeah they're nice cars like it's you know it's not

like it's run by Nazis nowadays like but he couldn't bring himself to buy that car the

Lexus LS stepped in for that cultural piece where folks like folks that had kind of like this

you know that association with a German car or something like that they had an option just

from a purely cultural perspective nice car for nice car like oh this one doesn't make me think

about like the horrible harassment I endured as a youth right like right you know like this is a

person who was in the army served for the US right and one of his bunk mates he did not know he was

Jewish when he was in the army and was talking about how like he legitimately thought that Jews

had horns on their head right like this this like

Jesus Christ yeah right like this is like to talk about like anti-sanitism

like this is how crazy it was you and I know these things right we don't talk about them much

yeah and people forget how recent all of we're one generate where you and I are like

one and a half generations separated from people who lived this is my buddy's dad that that happened

right right yeah right and like just the things that he faced like you know like no one no one

should face something like that right and like you cannot walk away from some kind of like

from that vitriol and that like that hate and that kind of stuff and not have things that just

you carry with you whether you want to or not right and so you see a commercial for a Mercedes

you know or you see an ad and it's like no no not not gonna I can't do that you know

right but explain to like if you're not if people don't know like

it wasn't it's not just that Mercedes was a car maker in Germany in the 30s and 40s right it was

like they were building stuff like bespoke for the Nazis and like the Nazis controlled

they had state control over the industry so it wasn't like

you know it's not like I'm trying to think what a good example it's not like no it's not

like Hitler drove through McDonald's and got a burger like it's like he like he owned the McDonald's

and had McDonald's make him the burger right that he wanted right you know and they like and

they gladly did it yeah yeah totally yeah so yeah so like having a luxury car that was just outside

of the orbit of all of that stuff right like I think was really important culturally you know like

to move away from like the American ideal of luxury you know the German ideal of luxury

and to kind of put not like Japan hasn't had a problematic past we all have right but to put

like just something on the table that is definitive luxury different than that you know

yeah I think that that was that's such a I never would have I never would have thought about

something like that if if my friend had not told me about like his his dad well I mean I remember

even my grandfather because he was a big infinity fan when infinity first came out okay like

early early like J whatever was like J 30 yeah he had a J 30 and um uh I remember like his old

army buddies who like he played in the bandwidth they would come over and you know like hearts and

dick around or whatever and they would still be like I would never buy a Japanese car because

they like served the jet in the Asian in the Pacific theater together right so like they

they still had that um you know and this would have been the late 80s early 90s you know so

it's not that long ago that people had those hang-ups around Japanese and German cars right

right yeah so and now soon people will have those same hang-ups about American cars so you know

we're doing our part I guess we're doing great buddy everything is fine

but I I don't know I admire the LS like I'm yes I I'm very thankful that I moved from my my M45

to the LS you know I love my M45 but the LS is just different it's not trying to be

anything else it is just its own thing you know where I feel like they're still at the time there

was still infinity was trying to kind of like okay we are going to be this thing between a

five and seven series with the M line like that's where the money is right between the five and seven

series no it turns out it's not it's not um more screens exactly the some of them do the

same thing and some of them don't so fuck you what's our user manual say is just a pdf of somebody

giving you the burger yeah yeah well Dave I think you're right I'm gonna go to the grocery store

and buy a 40 ounce and just just to pour it out yeah yeah right yeah rip to a real one for sure

ma'am salute salute to the Lincoln LS yeah um what else you want to talk about

you know what I I have a a road report from our buddy Jesse okay so we know that Jesse travels

quite a bit and sees quite the variety of vehicles and sends us delightful vanity plates

and we're so thankful for Jesse and everything that she sends us I want to show you Ian

let me pull up the google the google voice text that she says so I can get the wording right so

she said and here I'll pull up the picture so she said I am here's a picture I'm in this part of

Oregon I've seen maybe a dozen cars go by the main road in six to eight hours of work so like

there's nobody out here right and then she says and then yet one of them was this MF her

because Oregon's gonna Oregon a little K like fire truck yeah that's adorable I love it right

because yeah you you can be in the wilderness in Oregon and it's gonna get real militia e real quick

once you get outside city limits I'll tell you that you know that especially out east yeah right

yeah but you like it's still Oregon you are still in Oregon that's fantastic

so thank you thank you Jesse for sending that in that's genuine chuckle

of course of course that's the car that goes by right great yeah yeah so thank you Jesse yeah

and then I had um I had a license plate game for you we could do a license plate game

let's do that okay you got it Ian and a quick album of the weekend we'll get out of here we will

we're gonna go follow autech or on tour to every show yeah that's all I as much as I love them

I wouldn't want to see every show on the tour right okay Ian this one is license plate game

131 for you this one is called huh what oh whoa okay okay here we go huh what oh whoa

okay oh wow all right so we've got up top we've got a mini cooper with a very interesting

paint job is this it's a convertible and it's got like panels with stripes on it and it looks

factory is that like a special edition or something maybe don't know yeah yeah but it's

multi-colored vertical stripes they're slimming in vertical stripes right uh-huh interesting okay

and then we've got a forward explorer in white yes with not much going on there's some stickers so

we're gonna go oh we're gonna get into that yeah and then we've got the fastest car in the world

Nissan Ultima mm-hmm okay and then the plates are oh what HUH WHAAT and then oh

was that five O's and two H's and then whoa

uh-huh okay let's do some zoomies and enhance these please okay we'll start up top with the mini

yep I think this is a like a vinyl kit that you can get for your mini cooper because it

I think okay yeah it looks like vinyl applique but it it's absolutely jazzing up your mini

and it looks but it looks like well done yeah I think I think that this is either something

you can get through mini or like a dealer installed options sort of thing yeah or whoever's doing it

like is making it specifically for the mini like they probably have like like when people make like

those you know super nice like MacBook vinyl stickers in like right you want this for a Dell

fuck off right no you're getting it for a 2024 m3 MacBook pro yeah 13 and 16 14 and 16 inch and

that's all we're making right I'm looking this up mini cooper yeah vertical striped stripes

stripes kit sure well the stripes kit is probably gonna be like the two white vinyl stripes

coming up over yeah okay yeah sorry for your work productivity tomorrow to ruin that yeah this looks

this yeah this is either good and also I don't this has got the dealer license plate frame

and there's no tint on the windows and no other modifications right it has the union jack in gray

on the black roof I think this is an option I think this is a mini cooper option I think it

might be don't think this person is modifying their car yeah yeah I I dig the look of it I think

it's pretty cool oh it's great I love it yeah right and the car is black for the audio listeners

yeah the car is black so it's it is working off of that black base which is awesome yeah it looks

great okay okay I like it all right okay Ian I kind of want to do something with this one

because you're never going to guess what one of the stickers is mrs hippie we've got a fire department

flag yes because American flag with the red stripe yes as if we didn't already have firefighters backs

right every like nobody doesn't like firefighters well so I have some insight into this

this you I it is worth people's time to google firefighter like drug use and the correlation

of like firefighters and like there is there's not nothing there okay yeah yeah I can say more

off air but should somebody want to do some google research about kind of like drug usage history

and how it impacts firefighters or how it's tolerated within certain firefighting communities

go ahead go nuts with googling allegedly okay anyway okay so the Mississippi plate no license plate

frame white Ford Explorer firefighter thing there's one more sticker I'm doing another sticker

and you're hiding it for me I am because you are never going to guess what this fucking sticker

is I think I may have shown you this before and I'm hoping that you do not remember what the plate

is okay good thank you fellow goldfish brain haver yeah okay it is a sticker for a band

okay okay all right can you guess what band

kind of what bands you show me it's like a fish bone sticker

all right buddy I'm just gonna pan over you're gonna see it

I still heart handsome I still love handsome oh my god uh-huh okay yep

all right interesting uh-huh

and then the Altima in in beige and not even rental plates

yeah yeah okay this might this might be the most frightening

ultimate driver we've ever seen this might be like the guy in the restaurant when the fight

breaks out right because there's no dense there's no dense on the car yet right there's no dense

there's no bumper hang there's no rental plate right yep yeah yeah okay there's no entire rear

window size juggalo sticker whoop whoop uh-huh it's not currently airborne

right yeah and whatever the shutter speed of this camera was it was enough to actually capture it

we had very good clarity so I wasn't going mock Jesus at the time okay let me see these plates again

uh-huh

Ian is thinking he is stumped this is a tough one this is super tough yeah um is woe on the

Explorer because it's also just like a dated reference like a blossom reference to go along

with their love for Hanson I was I was kind of trying to find things that would be good to

say in like a valley girl voice or a stoner voice that was just kind of how I was reading

things but that's okay again Borscht test we see what we see right yeah man all what I'm focusing

in on the Explorer because I feel like I know this person the best okay

I want to go woe on the Explorer okay I do want to go I don't know if it's a blossom

reference or anything but I do it's less like of these plates it's the most like straight ahead

yeah I get that you know yeah um and I feel like someone who's still hanging on to the Hanson

train it's probably not super adventurous in their language correct okay yeah I I can see how you

think that I think all what goes on the mini okay because I feel like that's just the most like

avant-garde of all of them okay and then oh is what the Ultima says as it's ramping off of a curb

in getting going like flying 300 feet in the air okay okay so that's my that's what I'm going

with I'm gonna go all what's woe and oh okay all right Ian I got none of them you got none of them

yes knowing that so hard this one is insanely difficult knowing that you got none of them

what what do you think you would change I don't even fucking know

oh that's another plate I have it's I don't even know oh on the Ultima

and woe on the mini and what on the Explorer okay all right I'm going to show you the answer

yeah I mean it's it's an impossible task oh and I think oh on the mini is like oh

oh like like she she you know oh okay reading it the wrong voice yeah and then our buddy Ben

sent in the Explorer that I'm pretty sure I showed you before the Hanson sticker but I can't remember

I don't think so huh what and then our buddy Mark sent in woe on the on the ultimate and I think

it's that like you're saying woe because it's not airborne it's not going 4,000 miles an hour

it doesn't have a bumper hanging off dragging on the ground as it drives around I think you're

saying whoa like holy shit it's the only ultimate not in this shape

yeah so and then I saw oh forever ago that was hard it was there was buddy

but you you almost did great in that you did terribly you did you almost did great

um I think about that handsome boy modeling school all uh line from uh father Guido so

do you cheat all the time it's uh like he's like reading kind of like a letter and then he's like

from nearby the bottom of our heart blah blah blah blah you know from nearby the bottom of

our heart I love that anyway so Ian give me an album it's not going to be a attacker

but let's not no we are going to go with a new album okay from Kate Le Bonne

Kate L.A. L.E. and it's a C.A.T.E Le Bonne uh she's a welsh uh singer um okay yep there you go

it's called Michelangelo dying I just started oh okay I haven't I haven't gotten my all my way through

it it's very like art rocky um sort of thing oh yeah you do know a little bit about Kate Le Bonne

she was on uh she's been featured in other albums that we've talked about on this podcast because

she was on Neon Neon the oh yeah this style yeah okay yeah about about the development of the

DeLorean yeah so she's on that record she's friends with uh Gruff Ries from Superfury Animals

and um um she was also on the uh St. Vincent record last year oh right on okay so anyway uh this is

great very cinematic very theatrical uh art rock uh John Cale is on one of the songs

awesome yeah um so yeah yeah check that out that's awesome man yeah it's really cool oh yeah

I want to check out some more of her stuff okay there's seven albums on Bandcamp uh the uh the

Pompei record is great okay really good oh wow right on man from Glasgow okay dude yeah I'm

gonna check this out man I appreciate you calling this out yeah yeah nice I bet there's way more um

folks that we would recognize in the liner notes of this stuff or that we know from other things

yeah okay cool nice man I could use something different yeah yeah I think you'll I think you'll

think it's uh it's definitely out there a little bit it's more theatrical like I said but

sure it's okay nice man okay well yeah links to uh Kate LeBon's Bandcamp and this album uh and

um her official site uh and Apple Music and Spotify will be in the YouTube description

yeah Kate LeBon dot com um yeah that's awesome Dave we done did a car show we did a music show

if we did a music show masquerading as a car show yes we did um if you have album recommendations

or license plates or anything like that 720-515-1391 apexization at gmail everybody thank you

we love you goodbye

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