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Dave. Ian. And Drew. Hello. Howdy. We are joined, this is Apex Adjacent, car show, music,
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politics, blah, blah, blah, thus and so. We are joined today by our buddy Drew, who you may know
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if you are like us as Team Radar Love on Blue Sky. Hello, Drew. Hello there.
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We have been mutuals on the socials for a very long time. I think going back to weird car Twitter
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days and now on Blue Sky because of the whole Nazi porn thing. But we haven't really spoken
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to each other on like a human to human level before. And then you posted some stuff recently
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that I was like, you know what? We should chat. So yeah, welcome. Can you explain to the people
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you're sort of like cornerstone position in weird car Blue Sky? Oh, I shop for cars. I have been
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shopping for cars for the better part of I would say 40 years now. And I've basically kind of taken
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that probably to a bit of an extreme. I said some background on me. My first word was car.
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I learned what the colors were by the classified ads in the newspaper on Sundays because they came
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in color. So I've been in the game for a while. It's now a crutch where as long as I'm constantly
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shopping for cars, I'm not buying cars and flipping out because I'm always looking for the next thing.
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That was the next question. Yeah, yeah, two different things.
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Uh-huh. No, like the cars that I've ended up with for the most part have landed in my universe.
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And it's like an overwhelming desire to purchase and it just overcomes me. And you kind of like
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black out and you like wake up and it's like, oh, I own a roadmaster now. Yeah, that one came to
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me via DM from a good buddy on a discord and it was literally like, hey, you might be interested
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in this. It was literally on a train the next weekend. So sometimes the spirit overcomes you.
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I bought a big one in much the similar fashion. Yeah, everybody should do that.
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All this like, oh, go get a PPI. Go put an Excel sheet together and figure out what you want.
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No, do any of that. Take your brain out of the equation and buy it with your heart. Come on.
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Oh boy. Okay. So yeah, I think you and Ian are way more similar because I'm when I bought the car
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that we'll touch base on in a little bit here. Yeah, there was a spreadsheet. It was shared with
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people. It was a whole thing. Okay. So we like, okay, I don't want to push us too fast too far.
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But like, we got to talk about your spreadsheet because like, I have a list. I have two lists.
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I've written a post-it note. I threw the post-it note away because I was thinking too much about
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it. And then I rewrote another post-it note. And then I went and drove most of those cars
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in a single day. And now there are new additions to that post-it note based on several bits of
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feedback. So I have to ask what on earth was on your spreadsheet that you had that I can go ahead
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and add to a third post-it note. So my spreadsheet, this is going to be the most boring version
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of such a great question for me when we're supposed to be interviewing you, Drew. So
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fuck off. First off, welcome to our show.
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So also, I love the fact that it was post-it notes. And I'm just getting the whole vibe here.
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So my spreadsheet was just other Lexus GSFs. It was which GSF because I was going to get one.
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But it had tipped that threshold, right? Where like my wife and I were talking about it. She was
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like, life is short. You've been thinking about this car for eight years. Just go do it. Make a
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dumb decision. Okay, but here's the thing. That is not a dumb decision. That was of all the cars
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that I've driven over the course of the last few years. I don't recall getting one that was more
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of a surprise than that one in particular. I haven't driven an F product before. Full
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disclosure. I've driven Lexuses before. I owned 100 series for a little while and I would
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remarkable build quality, fantastic sedate, not exactly kind of scintillating in any way.
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And I remember getting in the GSF and thinking, oh, this is like, I remember sitting down and
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thinking like this is every bit as Japanese as the Julia is Italian. Like the way it feels,
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the way it drove, the way it sounds like the infotainment was not nearly as bad as I was
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expecting it to be. It was like, this is a unique way to interact with an extraordinarily special
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car. Yeah, the right noise is the right sounds. The right, yeah, it is. That was the shocker of
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the group. I was going in expecting it like that was, I didn't even have that batting cleanup. I
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was like, I had that sandwich between what I thought my favorites would be and that one immediately
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sticks out. That is such a special thing. Yeah, let's back up and explain because we,
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so I reached out to you after you posted this and I put it in the talk about Steve. Yeah,
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I haven't pulled up here. Let me share it here. Yeah. So Dave recently bought for the listeners.
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Dave just recently bought a GSF and then you posted that you were doing some, you said,
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today was educational and you had a picture of a Julia, a Chevy SS, which I'm very curious to hear
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about, a GSF. And then is this a CT4 black wing? Yes, yes, CT4V black wing. Yeah. So the question
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that I asked myself was, if I had a set number of dollars to spend on a vehicle and I wanted
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something, I've got a couple of dogs and that's about it in terms of my responsibilities.
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Like, what would I get that had four doors that was in this price range? And when you actually
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sit down and go through the mental math of, okay, what all is in this segment that you could get,
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it's an embarrassment of riches. Like there are some really spectacular items to take a look at.
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So like, I've spent some time with an SS. I spent a long weekend with an SS a couple years ago.
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The Julia, the CT4V and the GSF, that's all brand new to me. But like, basically, if an M5 or,
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you know, an RS6 don't really do anything for you and like anything past the E39 doesn't really
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do a lot for me. There's some really weird stuff in here. Just bizarre. Like, how do we even,
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I don't quote me on this, but I believe that the only reason why we had the Chevy SS was
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some like labor dispute between Holden and General Motors headquarters where they said,
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hey, you're going to export some percentage of these. So basically, like we randomly wound up with
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what is maybe one of the best sports sedans in the last 20 years. Yeah, just on a whim.
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Yeah, I mean, look at that thing. It looks like a rental car. There's nothing like,
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it is the biggest dude magnet on earth. Like if you absolutely want to be completely ignored,
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except for the one time that you run into a gas station with somebody who knows what it is,
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and you're going to spend half an hour talking about it, like this is the car for you.
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Yeah. Right. Yeah. And I mean, I've seen these on the road a couple of times. Yeah. And
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both times I was like convinced it was a Malibu. Yeah. Oh, wait. That's not there was,
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there was a movie with Dak Shepard. I can't even remember the name of it. I don't know if it's
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worth remembering the name of it. But there was a scene where they actually there's a car chase
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with a Chevy SS and then blows up at the end and they you can tell when they blow it up,
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they're blowing up a Malibu. And it is, it's like intentional unintentional continuity error,
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maybe, but yeah, like it's, it doesn't look like anything. But it's, it's brilliant. They're,
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they're just the build quality is, but it's charming. They're very, very charming.
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Interesting. Yeah. I haven't driven one of these. I have a lot of time in a Julia.
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More time to date. Yeah. Because I only got to ride in it,
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you ran it out of gas and we had it at a racetrack and it was a Quadrifiglio. So yeah, thanks Ian.
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Look, on the one hand, I completely understand how that happens. I do not want to give the
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keys back for one. I have a co-worker who had a Stelvio Quadrifoglio and sold it at the right time
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before it did an Alfa Romeo. And who we, that is everything everybody says about that car.
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That is, it's, yeah, it, it feels alive, which does probably warranty issue, but like it does
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feel alive. I mean, even the base model does, right? Like, yeah, yeah. You know, I probably need to
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drive one of those, but given what resale is on those, I definitely don't need to drive one of
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They're really cheap. The two liter is legitimately very fun. Like on a twisty road,
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like it does the same like dynamically thing of where it feels like it's like attached to your
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hips like this. Yeah. But without the crazy power of this. Yeah. That would, I mean,
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I'm a pretty stoic person except behind the wheel. So for the most part, I'm pretty responsible. But
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this thing, you could get in trouble quick. It was, it was a pretty, as you could see,
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it was a kind of a wet morning. And it was, there were a couple spots where I was like,
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oh, that's okay. We have AIDS. This is good. This is good. I have little nannies that are
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helping me not kill myself in the car that I don't own. Even with the nannies on it,
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lets you know, like it comes up and pokes you in the chest and is like, Hey man,
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just so you know, you're still waving a loaded gun around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just this
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one in particular, when it would pop the hood on it, there's a second coolant reservoir for
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that was almost completely empty. Have no idea when we stopped the car that one of the tailpipes
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was was smoking. I mean, your guess is as good as mine. But the Julia forums were full of solutions
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for it. So yeah, I don't know. I'm ready to get hurt. I'm ready to have my heart broken.
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That might be the one to do it. Burn bright, burn bright, man. Right. Yeah. Look, if you're
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going to go out, yeah, like life is short. We don't have a lot of time. I want to know what your
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morning looked like when you were like, I'm going to drive these four cars today. Like what was,
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yeah, give us some basically a fever dream. Like I was sick at the time. Like, and it was kind of
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like, I need, I need something to power through this. So I got searching, like I figured if I was
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going to go test driving, I'd like to drive stuff back to back. I love everything that I drive.
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Like I have, I'm not a reliable narrator on food. I am not a reliable narrator on things that I
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drive. I love cars. Just period. Like yeah, I have the worst car I've ever driven. I would
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still probably take home and give a loving, a loving home too. So I want to drive everything
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back to back to actually like get out of my head and say, okay, we have to go see what the next
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thing is. You've got to go see what do you like it? Do you want to take it home? What are the
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pros and cons here? You're speeding cars, Drew. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. If you're going to do it,
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right? Yeah. Like basically made a, made a series of phone calls around the city of Seattle, Tacoma,
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Federal Way, all the, you know, basically all up and down I five and found a series of cars that
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I think, okay, this would be a fun collection to go take a look at and go get an honest appraisal
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on. So I think what's not pictured here is there was also an E 63 wagon that was thrown in the
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mix. So I've got a little bit of experience with an E 63 wagon too, but the, yeah, the Julia,
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the GSF and the CT4V were all brand new to me. Yeah. And they're, oh, you, gosh, I will be entirely
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honest. If you took home any one of those four, you did great. You made the right choice for you.
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You cannot go wrong. You really can't. Yeah. Yeah. There's no such thing as the best car. There's
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the right car for you. Right. Right. And like best paperwise doesn't always mean it is the best
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car for you. Right. No, no, Aston Martin exists. Like, there is no such thing as like, on paper
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is irrelevant. It doesn't matter. That's such a great retort to that. Yeah. Yeah. I've loved
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every Aston Martin that I've ever driven. And they're all just like parts been specials.
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Like it feels like one of those highlights games where you're looking at it and you're like,
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okay, where's the parts? I know this is in something. Yeah. You know, this is an AC switch.
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Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right. Okay. But those cars are also
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greater than the sum of their parts, right? Like they, they have a feel to them. Oh, yeah. No,
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they're like, and that, I think more than anything, the older that I get, like I used to be the kid
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that was like, you know, well, well, the C6, Z06 can go around the Nurburgring in seven minutes
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and 42 seconds, but the CR1 is going to be faster. And it just like, I love that kid. I've made peace
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with him. You know, like it doesn't, it's kind of how it makes you feel. I think like that the
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first time I drove a Bohnstock Neata, it was like this, this revelatory experience of, oh, this is
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like, this is great. I've driven special things. I've driven expensive things. I bought this car
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for 350 bucks and it is like, it makes me feel like a billionaire. This is unbelievable. Yeah.
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I love that. Okay. Yeah. Now, we, we, I want to take a little tangent here because you said something
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that, that, um, maybe think about something, which is, so you are, as we've established, a Denzi, you
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know, the internet. Um, now when you, we talked about this is like kind of like a dating thing,
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but as we know, like when you get married, you don't just marry the person. You also marry into the
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family. Which one of these four online families that you will be spending a lot of time with on
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the forums, do you think would be the best? So the, the dirty secret here is that I'm a Corvette
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owner and I've been a Corvette owner for years. So I know self loathing. I am acutely aware of
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how to be a part of a fan base. That is kind of miserable. Um, I love Corvette owners. Corvette
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owners are great. They're wonderful. Like they're delightful. Um, they're old. Um, but, uh, of these,
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and for audio only listeners, we should tell you, tell you that Drew is not wearing any Corvette,
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uh, apparel, unless like maybe you just, the boxers that we can't see.
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Tattoos. Like I do, I do not have Corvette tattoos. That is not, I have not taken things that far
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yet. It's just a new balance tattoo. Um, yeah, I, gosh, these four, like I almost feel like the
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GSF, if you were marrying into the family, the GSF might be your best choice just because I,
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I hear the least about these in terms of performance sedan. And like to me, that's the,
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I don't know, am I a hipster? Is that what this is? Am I? I might be an automaker.
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Right. Yeah. Like going back and looking at the reviews of these things and it's,
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everybody's like, well, it's slower than an M five, but it's, it's slower than M five,
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but it's fantastic. But yeah, I mean, I kind of feel like you are in a very, very special club,
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especially from, um, I think in terms of like imports, there were what, 2000 of these things?
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Yeah. 2400. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we're, we're like, uh, the, the, the unit of measurement that I use
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in my head is, is, uh, the F 40. I think we had about 1200 F 40s that were ever made. So that's
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like two F 40s. Um, that's kind of how I think about these things. So, um, yeah, there's, there's
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like, that's not many at all. Like you're, you're in like CTSV wagon space, um, with those production
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numbers, which is like, it's, it's a special day when you see one. Um, yeah. And then like,
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there's not a bad color to get them in the interior is wonderful. They drive great. The,
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that engine, everybody, like everybody's right about that engine. That is, that is special.
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It's so weird. It's so good. I have to ask, did you drive it in eco mode when you had it?
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Oh, no. Oh, yeah. No, this, this one's gotten aftermarket exhaust on it and it's like,
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so does mine. Yeah. I have to tell you, eco mode is the weirdest thing in it because it almost
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turns it into an LS. It's crazy. That's cheating. Come on. I know, right? Like it's almost too good,
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right? But then you can still kick it over to manual and blip everything or just go sport,
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sport plus when you want to get wild. It's, uh, it's a whole thing. I mean, I like, yeah, yeah,
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driving this thing makes me think that like all time greatest top five two guard garage solutions
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is this in an LFA. Like there, this car is just, I am absolutely convinced that if you
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needed to do a thousand miles today, you could do it. And I think on a back road, you would,
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it'd be a riot. Yeah. It's a ton of fun. It's big, but it's, yeah, there is sharp.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's a, it's a wild car. Yeah. And, and you're with wild
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competition here. Like I, I have not driven a CTSV or a V line Cadillac. I've, I've driven
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that like the standards and really liked them. You've driven the standards too, right, Ian?
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Yeah, I have, but yeah, I've not driven a V ever, um, any of them.
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Back in the day, uh, the first sedan that I ever bought was a first gen CTSV wagon, um, bought it
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with a whole bunch of miles on it and it was a bit of a mess. Um, but just a lovely little
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science project. Like this, this is, I, I'm a GM apologist. I love everything they do. They're,
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like, I don't think they throw any pitches down the middle of the plate. Like it's, it's either
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absolutely spectacular or just a miserable failure. Like it is, it's like the, the company
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that brought you the GM diesel is the same one that is out here bringing you the ZR one. None of
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that makes sense. Like none of that makes sense. Like, sure. Uh, this, this is wonderful. Like the,
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the V, the black wing, everything that they've done, this is, this is like, this is BMW. This is
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what, if you, if you can draw a straight line from an E39 M5, close your eyes and get in V
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products, that's what it is. It's fantastic steering, great powertrain. Um, yeah, it's great.
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And Q is dead. They killed Q. Q is dead and we shouldn't talk about it anymore. Cause that
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single-handedly, I think, sank the ATSV and prior CTSV products.
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Right. You talked about the infotainment. Oh, yeah. It's the worst thing on earth. It is,
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it is just a heinous thing to interact with. Um, like, yeah, like I, if you, if you were to like
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drill a TI 83 calculator onto the dashboard, it would be a much simpler and more logical, uh,
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user interface. Yeah. I love that. I think it's only the only one that's been worse that I've
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seen in like around that same era was the infant. The infinity one was truly awful.
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That bad? Oh no. You had three screens. You had two screens in the middle. You had one in the
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gauge cluster. You could do some things on all of them, some things on none of them. It was, it was
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some were like, you could do the same thing on two different screens in two different menus.
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You could get to the same feature and then some other things were one screen only. It was a fucking
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mess. There's a reason that you'd have an intersect with one of these, because I think like
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there's been like a guardian angel, like a car guardian angel keeping you away from these in
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your life. So this is, this is dangerous because, and just maybe collectively we can work this out.
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Yeah. How do we feel about the first gen FX 35 and 45 right now?
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So I had a 2006 M45. So I went, I went M45, 2008 LS, GSF. Of course you own a GSF. Of course you
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do. Right. Yes. You understand the, they built none of these and this is the, this is, yeah. Oh,
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yeah. What a phenomenal, what a like wild looking car. And Dave's like, Dave's like back into
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fast to dance was, was weird too, because he was a front wheel drive boy. He was a sob guy
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before all of that. And then the M, how did you come across? How did you come to own the M45?
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I don't even remember. Like how did you land on that? Did you, were you just searching for stuff
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with the V8 and you just happened to find that? It was back when I was going into the office every
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day. My wife and I were still new in our relationship and we were, we were living apart,
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like on opposite sides of Denver. And I was spending tons of time in the car and an automatic
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transmission and 335 Nissan horsepower sounded pretty rad. Right? Yeah. Okay. I mean, and golly,
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I mean the, the M all the way through was just a spectacular looking car. I mean, yeah, like
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lightly brutalist. It's like, it's like a brutalist iMac. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Like it,
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yeah, it, it looks intentional. Yeah. Yeah. Like kind of like a Subaru legacy, but not
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but different enough. Right? Yeah. It's a legacy that did its postdoc. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So,
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yeah. So I, I became a V8 sedan Japanese, like luxury sedan enthusiasts. Like I always knew that
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that was a thing and it was like, Oh, no, like once I had the M45, it was great. And it was like,
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Oh, well, I'm just buying an LS after this, you know, because it, I will go to the mat saying
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that LS is the greatest sedan ever made period. Okay. Okay. Have you read pursuit of perfection?
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No, I have not. Okay.
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You two and maybe whoever's listening to this are the only people that I can actually recommend
23:25
this book to because it is, if you're not in this world, if you like, it might be the driest thing
23:32
you've ever read, but if you're in this world, it's the most fascinating bit of development that I've,
23:36
I've ever read pursuit of perfection, relentless pursuit. Okay. Maybe it's relentless pursuit.
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I am, I should probably that's okay. Let's pursue the perfection. There we go. Okay. Yes. Yeah.
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It is. Yeah. The relative, I think relentless pursuit, there's a book it is,
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I don't know where you would even get a copy of this book. I think I got a used copy off of
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bookshop.org and it is phenomenal. Like the development of the LS, everything that you've
24:03
ever like heard or read about it is like, it's, it's, it's not hyperbole. They, they did everything.
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They bought a house in California. They sent people to California to go like evaluate how
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Californians live. Like it's an SNL skit. They, like this was, this is the most bubble era car
24:23
of all bubble era cars. Like their, their design mandate was go make the best car that's ever
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existed, which sure. Okay. Yeah. Totally. And then they kind of did. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I,
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I will own one of those before I die. Just, just to, like, I feel like knowing the background
24:44
behind it, you would get in one and just think, this is the most well built thing on planet earth.
24:50
Like this, when this thing landed in the nineties, it just had to be, I mean,
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there's nothing like it. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I cannot imagine like what it would have been like
25:00
to just, yeah, to have that just thrust into the market. Like if you were Mercedes at that time,
25:07
like, holy shit. Yeah. The W140 S class. I love W140s. I, I like anything,
25:14
basically the pre-merger AMG era. I'm, yep, I, I am happy to speak chassis codes.
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Yeah. Absolutely spectacular car. Yeah. Everything that came after it was, we have got to figure
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out a way to cut costs because we've got to catch up to folks that just kind of came along and just
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dropped the bomb in the middle of the segment. Right. Yeah. I mean, I, if you like, this is the
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car that they based the, the Maybach offer. They did not base it off of the W220. Despite the fact
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it looks like it, this is the one they based it off of. Okay. Yeah. They're spectacular.
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Bank vaults, everything I am certain goes wrong on one. I know that there's going to be an S500
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that looks at me wrong one day and I'm going to have to take it home. Yeah. Yeah. I like your
26:03
automotive approach. It's like the saddest shelter dogs. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't go to
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Mercedes. Yeah. Yeah. We have, we have a bloodhound with three legs. Yeah. That, yep. Yeah.
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Yeah. The exact same thing. Yes. Absolutely. I can, I can fix it. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yep. Or it can
26:29
fix you. Who's rescuing you really? Who? That's somebody who in an E38, a 740i, let me tell you.
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Oh boy. I was rescuing it. That was, that was, I mean, I say rescuing it like we got to talk
26:45
about dying with dignity. Like that is, yeah. You're a hospice. Yeah. It wanted to die. It really,
26:51
really wanted to die. You were shoveling money onto the bonfire. I just want to have words with
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whoever designed those valve guides. That's it. I just want to talk. I just want to talk. It's fine.
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You know, when you change your oil and it looks like gold schlager, I'm sure it's fine.
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It's pretty. It's shiny. It's sparkly. It really brightens up your day.
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Sir, there's a man here named Drew. He wants to talk to you about valve guides. I'm not here.
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There's a button on his desk. People will see the floor. Yeah. You can hear this fine witness
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protection. I'm coming for you. Other than that, absolutely fantastic car. It's the best $1,500
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seven series you can buy. Yes. Okay. I love that. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Eyes wide open.
27:34
So, I mean, I get big sedans, big engines, or fast sedans here for it. What do you think is like,
27:41
though, we always kind of talk on the show. We know we're not doing well mentally. When we
27:48
start looking for Maserati Quattroportes on Craigslist, what do you think was something
27:53
that you were shopping for that you look back on and you're like, I was not okay.
27:57
This was less a searching, shopping thing and more of a cry for help. Yeah. Okay. No,
28:05
let's play the game right now. You're opening a spreadsheet. I may have a couple of tabs open
28:12
on my phone. That's what I do most of my shopping. Shall we see how many tabs we have open for
28:18
TBR right now? Oh, no. This segment is called Is Our Guest Okay? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've got
28:27
30 open right now. I have 30 open tabs. Are there 30 TBRs in the country? Oh, no. No, no, no, no, no,
28:34
no, no. These are not TBRs in the country. I would be importing one. Yeah. I know a guy now.
28:42
I didn't know a guy and then I said something and somebody DM me about it and they're like,
28:47
I know a guy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I posted on piston heads. I've had to count on
28:56
piston heads for like 15 years. We all get bored in college and we want to go shopping for little
29:02
French hatchbacks. And so I made a post and a guy up in Seattle messaged me out of the blue and is like,
29:11
yeah, I live in town. Let's go grab coffee, come drive my car. So, you know, I have now,
29:17
I can now say that I've driven a Chimera. It's Chimera. Chimera. And it is like,
29:25
I love Aston Martins. I love Jax. But there is always like a little something missing from the
29:31
British driving experience. And if you didn't know what it was, it's that it's a Chimera. Like
29:36
the TDR is, it is as rowdy as you think it is. It is, it is absolutely brilliant. The build quality
29:43
is not that bad. Now, keep in mind, I grew up in the backseat of a 1982 Chimero. So like,
29:50
right, let's put some, let's put a box around that. But it is a brilliant experience. It is,
29:56
it's wonderful. It is, it is every bit as, as visceral as you want it to be. But it's not like,
30:03
I'm certain that at the limit, it will kill you. Like I, it'll kill you, I'm sure. But getting there
30:09
is going to be great time. It'll be a whole lot of fun. And like for the most, it's really strange
30:14
because you talk to TDR owners. And for the most part, they will tell you like, when they came out
30:19
of the factory, they were about as bad as they were ever going to be. And ever since then, it's
30:24
been a bunch of, you know, retired engineers who have basically kind of come up with every
30:31
aftermarket fix for these things. So in terms of like, hey, you know, these, all of these for
30:36
three years used to overheat. Well, we got a fix for that now. So like when you search, and I don't
30:42
know, maybe that's just a collective delusion because they all own TDRs. But yeah, like there,
30:47
there's a fix for forever. I got a list of shops and folks to talk to. And he was, he was really
30:55
nudging me into either Tuscan or Subara territory because we don't have a ton of those here. And
31:00
he would like for somebody to go figure out how to fix one. So there, it's basically just a nearly
31:06
complete hit car. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like they're remarkably better than you, than you would think
31:13
they are just based on like all of the feedback that I've heard that like it's built in a shed.
31:17
And it was, and that they're just completely unruly and it's unruly, but it's not, I mean,
31:24
it's not crazy. And I don't know, maybe that's just because we live in a world of, you know,
31:29
700 horsepower is kind of the baseline these days. But like, yeah, it's real good. And it
31:36
makes no sense. Like that is, that is the, like, I will bring one home at some point. I will absolutely,
31:43
yeah. My impression of these is like, so my dad has an Aston Martin VA vantage, like the 2007 one,
31:51
right? Yeah, love it. Yep. My impression of these is that this lives somewhere between that
31:58
and like a really fast Mustang, like where it's like heavier and kind of very like every,
32:06
like the inputs are all big and, and that sort of thing. Is that actually feels lighter. I would
32:13
say you're, you're close, but I would say it's almost like between a VA advantage and a like a
32:18
Cobra kit car. Like that is like, I adore the VA advantage. I think the VA advantage, like if you
32:26
could hear the sound of my voice, go buy a VA advantage. They're like, just they're absolutely
32:30
brilliant to look at. They're a lot of fun to drive and they eat miles, but the VA advantages is
32:35
geared a little bit more toward a GT relative to what the Cerbera is, like it, or at least
32:40
the Chimera is. I imagine that the Cerbera is a little bit, from what I understand, they're,
32:47
a little bit easier to live with. I mean, take that with a grain of salt. I don't know. It's
32:54
probably an absolute nightmare to own one since there's like one shop in the United States that
32:58
actually works on these things and it's in Las Vegas. Wait, or do we have two now? Are these all
33:07
most of them? Were they Ford engines? Most of them? Rover. So there's, there's, well, okay, there was
33:14
was the AGP V8. So there's a Rover V8 for a while. That's, that's the one that you're going to find
33:20
in Chimeras, but they had their own home cooked V8 and straight six. So the speed six. Oh, that's
33:27
right. They did have a straight six. I can't remember if it was the speed eight, which like,
33:32
sure. Yeah, absolutely. Homebrew your own engine. Have a great day. Why not? What could go wrong?
33:37
Small British automaker. Just, yeah, they're, everybody that I've, that I've talked to about
33:46
owning one of these things has said like, well, you want to own the speed six because the speed
33:50
eight is a nightmare or you want to own the speed eight because the speed six is a nightmare.
33:56
But they're, I mean, for the most part, it sounds like a lot of the stuff has been worked out.
34:01
So take that with a grain of salt. This to me, I'm getting like vibes that this is like the
34:07
arch Linux of cars. Like, oh, yes, there was like a kernel, right? And now like there's just some
34:13
dude updating the man page for W get for the rest of his frigging life on the money. Okay. Okay.
34:22
Yeah. This is, this is a car for somebody who really wants to work on their car. Okay.
34:27
Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, I saw one of these in an automobile magazine, I think when I was maybe
34:34
12 years old or 13 years old, I got to work the math on it. They were in Gran Turismo as well.
34:39
Yeah. Uh-huh. Was a GT2, I think these were in. And just, yeah, I mean, monsters. And after having
34:47
now driven one, yeah, they were, they are absolutely monsters like in period. Oh, goodness.
34:52
Okay. Yeah. This thing, this thing had turned and burned. Yeah. It did keep up with the
34:58
64 and no problem. So would this be a replacement for the Corvette?
35:04
Yeah. I don't know about that. I love that car. I love my Corvette. I love my C6. I bought it.
35:13
I needed a bright part of my day and I ended up with Corvette. That one was,
35:18
um, I, it's a big dumb Labrador Retreater. That's a good way to fix that problem.
35:24
Yeah. Um, I think this would be a supplement to it. I've just got to figure out space. Like,
35:30
like most car people, it's, it's, space is the limiting factor here. But if I, I'm sure I could
35:37
rent space. Why not? Yeah. Absolutely. It's just money. I know a guy that can do lifts. So, you know.
35:44
Ah, do not give me that number. I don't need that number. That's a terrible idea. Yeah. Yeah. I
35:51
think the, the Corvette will be with me one way or another. I, whether, whether or not we're,
35:54
we're in a second car that can do everything or I just need a third car start a situation.
36:00
My, my partner has developed quite the affinity for the Suzuki Jimny at this point.
36:08
Oh yeah. She is absolutely correct. They are quite marvelous. And so if you've ever found
36:14
yourself in a garage trying to figure out what you could fit in a garage long enough to fit a
36:19
roadmaster with the Jimny. Um, yeah. So that, uh, that last weekend I was driving a 106 GTI that,
36:26
one of the local Seattle importers brought in because I think I could fit two of those in
36:31
that spot. Um, but these are, yeah. I mean, I could use something cute and adorable. I could,
36:38
I could do three cylinders. Sure. Absolutely. I'm like, I can't be the first person to cross
36:43
shop a Jimny and a, and a TDR. I think you might be. You are. I think you might be mentally. The best
36:50
thing about this is not a cry for help. The best thing about this is I think you could probably,
36:54
and you could probably, you could blow some minds and really alienate yourself from your
36:59
adopted family by towing this with the Corvette. I love the way you think that. Yes. That is exactly
37:07
what I need to do. Yes. Yeah. I actually, I do need to put a tow hitch on the, on the Corvette.
37:13
I don't know why I haven't done that yet. They're, they're, um, so, uh, I do a lot of like, you know,
37:19
long rallies, long drives with that car. And when you're, when you're out with a group of people,
37:24
there's not a great way to put like a long whip antenna on a Corvette. So there are a bunch
37:29
of folks that have got tow hitches on their Corvettes so they can, uh, they can bolt antennas
37:34
to them. Yeah. And now I have become one of the Corvette people by giving you our, our CD tips.
37:41
So, yes. Well, I think a lot of the, like the one lap of America guys do that. They'll put the
37:46
tow hitch on and that's how they carry the tires. Oh yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah.
37:52
So I like the way you think. Yeah. But I mean, a Corvette,
37:56
holding a Jimny would be fucking hilarious. That's the only way to fly. Like that's,
38:00
that's, that, that, like I want that. That's, that's a lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah. That might even
38:05
be a spirituality. I don't know. We've got to explore that. So if you're looking for a TVR
38:11
when your self-assessment is coming back, okay, like, that's the point. I mean, do you have,
38:18
do you have any re, I know that you've loved them all the cars that you've had, or like,
38:23
do you regret, like, what's the, what are the ones that got away? Like, what are the,
38:28
like ones that like, you know, kind of, kind of give us that like, maybe, maybe I shouldn't have,
38:34
but, you know, but I'm going to make the best of it. Give us that kind of like topology of your
38:38
experience. So we're going to have a moment here. You and me are going to share one and I
38:41
apologize if this is like, we're now shared trauma, but for about 48 hours, I owned a 1986
38:53
stop 900 s. Okay. Yep. Five speed four door. This was like, once upon a time, me and some
39:03
friends decided we were going to do kind of a, took a page out of top gear and said,
39:07
hey, let's go do a cheap car challenge. So basically, we all bought tickets to Milwaukee and
39:12
we said, you're not allowed to go look at Craigslist, Facebook, any classified ads until 24 hours
39:18
before we fly. And then 24 hours after we land, you've got to meet in a hotel parking garage
39:23
with what you've been able to buy. And this is what we found. And I like, I was expecting it to
39:31
be quirky. I was expecting something that I would, you know, just it's, it's a few hundred bucks. And
39:38
I'm not going to fall in love with it. I'm not going to have mechanical sympathy for something
39:42
once. And whoa, did we screw up? That was big mistake. That car is in my blood. Like, I am,
39:50
I am, I am absolutely convinced that that is what would happen if you ran BMW e 30 through
39:55
Google translate. Like, why is the key between the seats? You know, why, why, why are all of these
40:02
buttons where they are? None of this makes sense, but it kind of does make sense. Like it's, it's,
40:07
it's a car that somebody described over the phone. It is just marvelous experience. I don't,
40:13
I didn't get the sob thing. And then I drove one and it's, oh, wow. That is, I mean, for a car that was,
40:21
you know, just about as cheap as you can buy, it was absolutely brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. Did you drive
40:30
it back to Seattle from? Oh, no, no, no, no. So that we had, we had a whole plan with it. We were
40:34
going to buy him in Milwaukee. We were going to, we're going to donate him to charity in Grand
40:38
Rabbits and we would go up the long way. So 700 miles in something that you could buy for whatever
40:44
you can pull out of an ATM. So you went around the north side of Lake Michigan. Yep. Yep. So you
40:50
the most remote, desolate part of the country to do your cheap car? We were of two minds and that
40:57
is, that is like, if, if we're going to die, I don't want anyone to find my shame. But also,
41:02
if the car dies, I don't want to hit anything. So we're thinking this would be somewhat remote.
41:09
Also, it's, it's Michigan in the summer. So, you know, what are you going to do?
41:13
Yeah. So I think we, we, we obviously, from a love standpoint, we, I think we won. I think the,
41:20
the other participants, there was a 2001 Volvo S80. Yeah. List price was 800 bucks. They could
41:28
only pull 400 out of the ATM and the guy said, get it off my property and I'll take it.
41:32
Oh, wow. That was an indication. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, the, there was an automatic, automatic,
41:45
Iron Duke Fiero that made it there. Yeah, you have that reaction. I see that reaction, right? No.
41:54
That is like, I have driven slow cars. I have never driven a slow car that looked fast. That is
42:01
that slow. That is a special kind of slow. Yeah. Woof. Yeah. Real, real oddity. And then there
42:10
was a, there was a couple of guys that showed up in a fourth gen Camaro V6. The teatops were
42:18
removed and the air conditioning was disabled because they would have been the only ones with it
42:23
and we didn't feel like that was fair. Well, short belt for everybody. The teatop came off
42:30
the second they bought it. I don't know if it ever went back on because that's just,
42:35
when you own a Camaro, that's the life you leave. Right. Yeah. You just ripped the sleeves off of
42:39
each other's shirts and put on Van Halen. No, they did. They did. They absolutely did. Yes. I think
42:43
they both went sleeveless. We spent the night over at Mackinac. Mackinac Island. Yeah. Yeah.
42:53
Yeah. Just absolutely brilliant. So the moral of the story is go buy a sob. Go buy an old 1980
43:00
sob. Go put some rally lights on it and, you know, go pretend you're a rally driver. They're so good.
43:05
So I drove, so I've driven sobs before, obviously. And then, but then a couple years ago, I got to
43:11
drive an air cooled 911 for the first time I drove a 993. And I was like, Oh, this is what sob was
43:18
trying to recreate. It felt, it had a really similar vibe. Like all the inputs and stuff felt
43:26
very similar. And I was like, Oh, the seating position. It was very similar. Yeah. Like, I...
43:35
It's a front wheel drive air cooled Porsche. Yeah. As somebody who is very keenly tuned in to their
43:43
capacity for self-loathing. Wow, air cooled 911s are really good. I know I'm brave to say it,
43:52
but... Where do you find the courage? Oh, thank you. Thank you. Somebody had to say it.
43:58
True. Yeah. They're wonderful. Yeah. I mean, look, when you're making the same car for,
44:04
you know, 30 years, hopefully you get good at it. Right. Turns out they did.
44:09
But I would say, I mean, if you could get like an SPG sob, for like several orders of magnitude less
44:20
than a 993 911, right? I think you would have, I think you would get sort of 70% of that driving
44:29
experience for, I mean, a tiny fraction of the price. Absolutely. They're just, they're so unique.
44:39
I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing like when you get, if you close your eyes
44:43
and you get in one, you know you're in a sob. It feels like a sob. It smells like a sob. They're
44:50
just, they're marvelous. Yeah. Yeah. And impossible to maintain now. Yes. Well, the good news about
44:58
living in the Pacific Northwest is that I think other than Vermont, we bought all of them. Yeah,
45:02
I was going to say that you are sob central up there. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
45:07
sobs and super is what we do. I will tell you that we used to race against a Limmons team that
45:12
had a Pontiac Fiero with a sob T5 engine instead of the Fiero engine and it all worked. They won
45:20
their class like seven PSI through the turbo because it didn't have the wheel speed sensors.
45:27
So it always just thought it was in first gear. Yeah. I am more fascinated with the group of
45:33
individuals, engineers. I'm just going to go ahead and out on a limb and assume that decided that
45:40
was like, well, this is what I have in the pantry. Wonder if that'll fit. Yeah, somehow you rated the
45:50
pantry and you came up with ceviche. All right. Who knew? So what did you run in lemons?
46:00
Oh, we've had a sword. Limmons passed. We had a Chevy S10 with a big bunch of different V8s.
46:07
We've had a Chevy HHR with a variety of ecotechs, a Volkswagen cabriolet with the original engine,
46:15
and Ian's driven a Foxbody Mustang that had a first gen RX7 shell.
46:21
On the way around. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a shell tacked on to the top.
46:26
Well, no, it was an RX7, but it just had a 302 in it.
46:30
Right. Yeah, it was a Foxbody Mustang underpinnings. Is there anything better than wheel
46:34
to wheel racing? Is there any experience like that that you can actually get as a human? I've
46:44
run lemons and I've run World Racing League. Yeah, I don't know if there's anything
46:52
quite like endurance racing. That is like, yeah. I don't watch motor sports. I don't watch sports
46:58
period. I don't watch F1. I don't do anything, but like, and I don't drive wheel to wheel.
47:04
Wheel to wheel. I'm an autocross boy, right? I'm a time trial guy. Oh, yeah. So Ian's the shoe.
47:10
He's the driver. I'm the mechanic. But when like, when the team is out there and like,
47:16
I'm watching times on race monitor, like I've never watched stats ever in my life, it's,
47:23
it's infectious. Yeah. Yeah. Not even driving. I need to be there. Yeah.
47:28
Yeah. I think like, if there's one thing that I could advocate for, it's get out to your local
47:34
like amateur racing. The, the things that you can see and like the access that you can get,
47:41
you know, I've been in NASCAR races. I've been to the Indy 500. I've never done F1. I,
47:47
I am, I am sure that the TV show is very addictive. But I like, I can't watch motor sports on TV.
47:56
Like going to just let your local SCCA, even if it's just to go shag cones at an autocross,
48:01
like that's the one thing that I don't think anybody tells you is like the best view of an
48:05
autocross. If you want to see really fast cars going really crazy is to go like work the field
48:11
at an autocross. It's, it's awesome. And everybody, everybody there is just wonderful and marvelous
48:16
and kind. Cause they're all scrapping for, you know, four minutes of seat time for a day.
48:23
Right. Yeah. Yeah. I have core memories of like, you know, somebody that I know in one of my
48:28
favorite cars, like entering the slalom and just seeing like this perfect counter steer
48:32
and like cone, like just the edge of cone kiss. Like it's magical. I'm going to remember that
48:38
for the rest of my life. Yeah. Like I was not a Honda person. And then the first time you've got
48:42
a CRX on three wheels that's going to the corner, it's like, I stand corrected. I'm a Honda person.
48:49
Dave is also won over a ton of people at autocross with the Fiat. He has a Fiat 500
48:55
Abarth as his other car. And it is like in hilarious to see that little guy.
49:02
Yeah. I mean, look, we talk about how, how like notable the, the, the BMW
49:08
burble tune and the, you know, the WRX sounds or VQ, but we really need to like in terms of like
49:16
memorable exhaust notes in a good way. Like that Abarth is so good.
49:23
Top 10 exhaust note period. Absolutely. Like I think that one of those is going to be responsible
49:28
for giving me whiplash one of these days because you just hear it and it's like, that is,
49:32
that's marvelous. So have you ever shopped for one? Of course I shopped for one. Oh yeah.
49:37
Like I'm willing to bet that there's like a 595 that's, that's for sale on here. Let's find out.
49:43
Who knows? Yeah. Yeah. Actually, yeah. So Liberty Works has got one right now.
49:51
Okay. For sale. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just keep me away from my. They are, they are a goddamn delight.
50:00
They're so fun. Yeah. I'm not competitive because I've modded it the way I've wanted to mod it,
50:06
but who the fuck cares? It just toots around and yeah, right? Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I've, I've,
50:12
I've never driven a 500. I'm a little afraid to drive one because if you want to talk about
50:15
something that would fit in the space behind a gym. I was just going to mention that. Yeah.
50:19
You want multiple cars in a single space. My wife, my wife, uh, did like the test drive for the
50:24
500 E when Colorado had a zero dollar lease thing. Did you hear about that? Uh-huh. Yeah.
50:29
Oh god. What? What? Yeah. It was a zero dollar lease for 27 months. Like they,
50:35
a dealer here figured out how to game the book so that like basically you were paying like,
50:39
I think like, what was it like? It was like $2,500 down or something like that. And then it was
50:43
like a zero dollar. It was truly a zero dollar lease because of like the energy credits and
50:48
stuff like that that they were getting because it was a lease. They could get them because they
50:52
bought the car and then they knew that they would get it back to sell or, you know, whatever. But
50:57
yeah. So we went and test drove one that was like, this is before I had my lift. And it was like,
51:01
we could really fit this. Like it fit this in our garage with my, a bar. I mean, for that kind of
51:18
Well, if you do go test drive a V500 and just know that you won't fit in it,
51:24
but that's because nobody does. No one does driving. It's the, it's the, so Dave and I are
51:32
very different sizes. I'm five, eight. He's six, four, very different builds. And both every time
51:39
I get into his car, I'm constantly like adjusting the seat, trying to like, what? I can't get this
51:44
to feel comfortable because nobody can. It's perfect. That is strange. Yeah. That's the perfect
51:50
Italian driving experience. Like the driving is not supposed to be comfortable. It's, it's supposed
51:54
to be, you're supposed to feel alive and you can feel alive if you're not in pain. It's very Buddhist.
52:02
Ultimately, we really kind of drive the car in the same seating position. We do. Yeah. I usually
52:14
think that there's something where you've had to kind of like rule it out on, you know, like,
52:19
unfortunately, and you're really bummed about like having to rule it out. Like I couldn't fit in
52:23
like a Ferrari 360, not that I would ever buy one, but it did like one of those rental driving
52:28
things. And I had to pick the Nissan GTR over the 360 because the guy looked at me as like,
52:32
yeah, you're not fit in the 360, right? You know? Yeah. I, I took home a Miata because I, I could
52:42
kind of shoehorn myself in one. I don't know. Like I, I wake up, I do yoga seven days a week. And
52:48
part of the reason why I do that is because it feels great. The other part of the reason why I
52:52
do that is because I'd like to fit in fun stuff and I'm not built for it. I'm 6'3". Like I am,
52:58
I am built like a tree. I don't fit in fun stuff. I, I'm trying to think if there's anything that
53:03
I've ruled out. I know that I've cried one first gen Audi TT that was like I, I had trouble with
53:10
back when I was like 15. Can't imagine that that got a whole lot better, but I really like
53:17
baseball glove leather. So I don't know. Are the TVRs big? Are the TVRs like people-friendly?
53:26
I fit in TVR. I fit, I will fit. I believe I fit. Yeah. Yeah. In 2026, you're practicing foot binding.
53:37
Yeah. I like, like I, I am the Katnick cardboard box in my fits. I sense that. Yep.
53:45
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, look at that thing. Just brilliant. Yeah. Yeah. They were really cool.
53:49
Yeah. They were really cool. Yeah. They were really weird and they're, I, I love weird. Yeah.
53:56
Yeah. Let's see. What else has, oh, have you driven a Lotus Elise and is your body the same
54:02
after that? Because mine isn't. Yeah. I, I have never driven one. I've sat in a handful. I got,
54:08
I got a few laps around a track. I had a buddy who had a, an exige, second gen exige. Second gen
54:17
exige? First gen exige, I think. First gen exige was based on the second gen Elise. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah.
54:24
And they're, I mean, I, getting in and out of one is, is a fantastic experience. And I think
54:31
everybody should try it. Like, like it's a ninja warrior level. Just trying to get like, you don't,
54:37
you don't get out of one so much as it gives birth to you on the pavement. There's just no graceful
54:43
way to do it. Out of the back of it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. That is, I, yeah. I am slightly afraid
54:50
of what would happen if I were to actually drive one. My Miata, when I was done with it, was
54:56
like pretty spicy. And I'm a little bit afraid that this is kind of the next logical step.
55:01
It is. Yeah. It is. Are they as good as, it's as good as I think it is. It's one of the first,
55:06
like, nice cars I ever drove. And it was on an autocross course. It like the word, it was just
55:11
telepathic. It was just telepathic. That's it. Yeah. Like, you know, you've, you've already done
55:15
what you've needed to do before you even realized you needed to do the thing.
55:20
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't imagine what I'd feel driving it today. That was like 15 years ago.
55:25
Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I think and like the S1s now that they're legal for import are,
55:32
don't go look, if, if you can hear me, do not look at prices for S1s in the UK. Don't do it.
55:38
You're going to want to, you're going to be curious. You're going to think, what could he
55:41
possibly be talking about? You will black out and you will wake up and there will be one on a
55:45
container ship. They're like, like, if you, if you find a slightly ratty one in the UK,
55:53
they're not bad. Really not bad. Now that everybody has kind of mastered the, the case swap
55:59
in these things, now you can just throw a Honda motor in it and be done with it.
56:05
Yeah. Don't do that. Don't do that. Or do that. I don't know. Call me.
56:10
Slide into Drew's DMs.
56:12
I'll go in with you out of shipping container. I got a TVR to bring home. Let's go.
56:19
No, this makes me think of something that Ian says about his, his folks like at R32 is that
56:24
like the thing about like, he's not going to give it up because he's more stubborn than that is
56:29
hard, right? And I feel like you're taking this approach to like your impending TVR purchase.
56:34
We're just going to go ahead and call it what it is. Let's call it, let's call it what it is.
56:37
We can be honest with each other here. Yeah.
56:40
Mark five, mark six. What do you even got?
56:42
I have a mark for R32.
56:44
Oh, you have my favorite one. Yes. Yes. I, but my, my first track day, there was, there was a,
56:51
I don't know what you even call that blue, but I remember the absolutely spectacular blue R32.
56:57
And I, I just remember thinking, yeah, this is, this is all unique. This is the, like, this is
57:02
the daily. This is the track car. You could do everything with this.
57:05
And I do. Yeah. It's my, it's my mountain car. It's my kid. It's my kid hauler.
57:11
It's my track car. Yeah, it does. It's a Swiss Army knife. And yeah, it's several shades of red.
57:18
Yeah. Perfect. And a very, a little ratty.
57:22
Yeah. Yeah. It goes through oil pans regularly.
57:27
As is the Volkswagen right of passage. Yes.
57:34
What, what, have you had something that you've modified that you wish you hadn't modified,
57:39
like, or like had a modification that was like a super, like you're okay?
57:44
Yeah. Anything that I've ever modified at some point in time, I'm like, well, that was a mistake.
57:49
The Corvette right now is too stiff, too loud. It's just right. Like it is on a, on a, on a,
57:56
on a great day, it is like, there is just nothing like it. It, all of the inputs are heavy.
58:02
The, the shifter is clunky and deliberate, but it's, it's a Corvette. Like it, it's supposed
58:08
to feel like you are, you are driving a mech with analog steering. Like it is, it's fantastic.
58:15
The Miata was a bit of a monster. That was, when I was done with it, it was forged internal,
58:23
supercharged. You know, I think I think it was, it was 250 at the wheels, which is just enough
58:29
double the stock power. And yeah. Yeah. I mean, manual steering, just yeah.
58:35
Yeah. You went big. You went big.
58:40
Well, I blew it up and then I went big and then I blew it up again and then I went nuclear.
58:45
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I would recommend that experience.
58:49
Everybody's got it. Like everybody, you, you, you should over modify car at least once.
58:54
You should do it. Yes.
58:55
Go through that experience. I think that's part of the reason why I find myself shopping for
58:59
fast sedans is because I look at one of those and I'm like, I'm not going to modify that.
59:03
It's not going to modify that. Maybe the SS, I should stop talking.
59:07
I've never wanted to leave a car so stock as my 2008 LS. Like, yeah. I've never felt that way
59:14
before. Yeah. I mean, they got it right. They got it right right out of the factory.
59:19
Yeah. Like there's, what are you going to mess with perfection?
59:23
And I did put my GSF back to stock. It was low, it was on lowering springs and on
59:28
inch bigger wheels with lower profile tires. I had, I was a stance boy when I drove it off of
59:34
the shipping truck to my driveway. Nothing wrong with that. All, all, all respect to all of our
59:39
friends who are out there laying the frame static or otherwise. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. But yeah,
59:45
put it back to stock. Yeah. But that is, yeah.
59:52
You driven the IS 500?
59:55
Ah, okay. So that's the first question everybody asks when you driven a GSF is,
00:00
have you driven an IS 500? The answer is no, I have not. But given, given the number of
00:04
people in Discord that have said, oh, have you driven one? I have to ask,
00:09
do I need to go ahead and follow that experience up?
00:11
You don't. I've driven the, I've driven the IS 500 and I can say that it,
00:15
it doesn't feel the same as a GSF. But, but I want to hear Ian's take. Yeah, for sure.
00:21
Yeah. I think, I think it has the same, the engine has that same magnetism to it.
00:28
Yeah. It doesn't feel, I agree. It doesn't feel like as a complete package,
00:33
just don't think it feels quite as special as the GSF because the GSF does feel nicer inside
00:38
and everything. And it feels like a big fast sedan, whereas the IS 500
00:46
just feels like a really fast car, you know, like, but the engine is a fucking blast. Like it is
00:55
very, it wants you to just like slow down to go to speed up again, you know,
01:01
that sort of thing. We drove it in the mountains and it was one of the faster,
01:06
we were on like a press thing and like, we drove that and a bunch of other stuff, but
01:12
we drove it back to back with the Integra, remember? Yeah. Yeah. Integra type S. Yeah.
01:17
Yeah. Yeah. And the Integra is definitely on a, like on a twisty back road, the Integra was the
01:22
fastest car by far, but the IS was like silly and fun, you know? I was in Japan over Thanksgiving
01:33
and I had a GR Yaris to go drive around in Mount Fuji and I remember we stopped at a little spot
01:42
and ended up pulling out behind a guy in a fully Tom's Kitted IS 500. And it was like,
01:53
we made it two corners and he was gone. Yeah. Yeah. That I was a little bit surprised that
02:00
that thing was like, I knew they were quick, but that is, yeah, just wild package.
02:10
I think if I remember right, we did scare the Lexus rep a little bit with that car, right?
02:17
Like they were riding along with us and it was really easy to kind of lose track of how
02:24
much fun you were having in that car. Like it really, it wants you to be a moron, you know?
02:31
Like that's what provokes us. That is, I mean, there is no greater gift a car can give you than
02:36
a moment of just a temporary loss of consciousness. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.
02:43
That's an expensive gift, potentially. Yeah. Like the GSF, I kind of wonder just how many IS
02:51
500s are roaming around in the US. I am curious because every time I see, you know, what I think
02:57
is an IS 500, I turn around and it's, you know, some f-line or whatever. Right. Yeah. F-sport.
03:05
Yeah. F-sport. Thank you. F-sport. F-sport. Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen one in the wild.
03:10
I bet you have. You just didn't notice it. That's the thing about it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
03:17
That's the benefit. Yeah. The GSF, you definitely like, that's a GSF. I know that line. Like that
03:23
body kit is subtle and sharp. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, so we had a wild experience
03:33
watching the IS 500 disappear from the rear view mirror while Ian was driving,
03:40
and I want to know if you play in this space at all, Mercedes-Benz ML 550 AMG
03:48
on a mountain back road and Ian. Very tight. Very tight. Very tight. Tiny road. Ian, drop them like
03:55
a sack of potatoes. But like, yeah, so give us like the bit, your whole take on like the big,
04:01
powerful SUV space and like curiosity there. And if it's not your thing, that's cool. That's cool.
04:09
No, no, no. I would say I'm curious about them. I am definitely curious. In my brain,
04:17
I understand that mass exists. I understand that if I am looking for the single defining
04:23
factor of any vehicle, it's going to be mass. And so I do not understand, ever since the ML 55 came
04:30
out, how exactly we have overcome that. I think I remember the first time that I saw it with
04:38
third gen, fourth gen, whatever. The X5s that came out where it's like the stock tires on this
04:45
are like 315s. Yeah. But I do remember back in, it must have been 2012, I think. I was doing,
04:56
I was out on a spirited drive with my Corvette. And I remember there was a guy there that showed up
05:01
in the then brand new X5M. And I remember like dropping out of a corner, we were
05:08
keeping pace and it was like, it's the scene in Star Wars where there's a Star Destroyer
05:13
that just drops out of hyperspace and it is behind you and it is on you. That is like,
05:21
yeah, I'm large SUV curious. I am large like this generation SUV where it's like that will
05:27
bankrupt you. Like I'm looking at that and like that is like great recession era and it will take
05:32
you right back to it. That is ruin. I am curious about what that is to drive. So I think I can
05:41
answer this because we've had a couple of experiences in big fast SUVs because we also did a track day
05:46
with a, this is a while ago, it was a long time ago. Durango SRT. Okay, yep. And it was the same
05:56
thing with the ML63, the AMG. We're like, it is super fun to make something that big go fast.
06:10
Once or twice, but it's not like, it's a different experience than a sports car. It's a different
06:19
category even. It's less of a thing you go to do to enjoy than like a, hey, watch what I can do.
06:30
It's like a feat of strength, right? Everybody should go out on Bourbon Street
06:37
and forget your name at least once. You can do it once. You should go do that.
06:44
Yeah. I would never own one, but I am curious about the experience. I think I look at something
06:52
like an Escalade V and I think that's anti-social. Sounds great. Not for me. Absolutely not for me.
07:01
So driving that Mercedes, that was my takeaway. It was like, I feel like an
07:07
portal asshole in this thing. And then I drove it like one, but still,
07:12
it was, you feel very conspicuous. And then when you arrive at a corner that you have to break for,
07:17
you again feel very conspicuous. I'm about to introduce myself to the agriculture
07:23
around here. You arrived on the scene. You continue to arrive deeper than you think you should.
07:33
Yeah. So I will say, I think the only one that I'm really curious about,
07:39
I know Brabus V12 swapped a handful of first gen MLs, which is real silly.
07:49
Yeah. 7.2 liter ML.
07:52
Yes. I think what is the M120, I think, that they put in one of these.
07:57
So if you want a Pagani motor in your ML, just know somebody did that. I don't know why,
08:05
but somebody did do it. A Pagani motor in a car that was co-built by Chrysler.
08:11
It's a Pagani motor in like, if you want the cheapest AMG product on planet Earth,
08:17
go to your local Craigslist and type in ML55. You can find one for like three grand.
08:23
Now imagine they put a Pagani motor in that. Great idea. Nothing that could go wrong with that.
08:28
The CL, I drove a CLK55 AMG several years ago, and I really liked it. And those were,
08:34
it was cheap then, and those are crazy cheap now. And they look great. It's in that like the
08:41
Pujo 406 world of like, this is the two door coupe that is just right. It looks like the Apple
08:48
mouse. Yes, exactly. Absolutely brilliant. Everything that came after that was kind
08:56
of a little clunky, but yeah, I am Mercedes Curious. I am very Mercedes Curious.
09:06
Most of these, you've been like, yes, I want those too. I will try anything once. I will
09:14
absolutely do that. I've arrived at a very like unique place in my life where like,
09:21
and this is the part where I get to advocate for policy. I, my daily driver is my shoes,
09:28
that or the 40 route or the 62 route. I am, my daily driver doesn't exist. I walk everywhere
09:37
or I live, I live in a place with enough density where I can, I can actually like use public
09:42
transit. And like, let me tell you at the manner of terrible decisions that you can make when you
09:51
don't have to worry about getting to work in the morning. You can go test drive a TVR and remind
09:57
yourself, I'm going to go walk to the grocery store later. It'll be fine. Yeah, I can, okay,
10:03
this is like psychic Dave. Like, I'm going to guess that within the last
10:11
12 months, you have had a browser tab open that had the word Fisker in it.
10:18
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. Are you kidding? They can't kill that car.
10:26
Like, it's, it's, it's existed in all sorts of like, it is, it's a, it's like the Pujo 404,
10:33
like they built this on like four different continents at some point in time. You know,
10:38
yeah, like they are, yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I would take one of the fire damaged ones,
10:44
like let's go, let's get you. I saw one moving under his own power today. Yeah, yeah. And not
10:50
gravity? Are you sure? It was going downhill at the time, but it had to go a little uphill from
10:55
the stoplight and then down. So, yeah. I, is it like, I don't think they're going to be like
11:01
spikers where we, we come away from it and think, you know, this, we, we all missed it at the time,
11:09
and now you see it and realize it. I will say, I traveled to New York a good bit in my current
11:16
day job. And the, like, if you haven't been in Manhattan recently, you would not be wrong to
11:25
think that the, that the Fisker Ocean is one of the best selling compact SUVs. Really?
11:31
Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. They are, I do not, there is a, there's a blue sky account that is currently
11:37
trying to chronicle every Fisker Ocean in New York, but there are, there, they, there's a fleet
11:42
that bought them and is operating them as cabs and you see them everywhere. It is the most
11:48
confused, like it is, it is like stepping into an alternate universe. Yeah. Like you're in a, like
11:54
a sci-fi movie. Yeah. Like, like, it, like the first time you see like three in a day, it's like,
12:01
oh, that something is wrong. Yeah. It's the, it's the old riddle. Like how many owls would you have
12:05
to see over the course of a day to know something was wrong? Like how many Fisker Oceans would you
12:10
have to see in a day before you knew? Like something's all, something's gone wrong. Two for me. I
12:14
mean, yeah, just walk around Midtown. They're everywhere. Wow. These weird little like, oh,
12:21
this is their Honda Civic, right? Like this is their, right? Like, you know, like in Colorado,
12:27
obviously it's like Subaru, you know, something, right? That's our Honda Civic. I went to like a
12:33
Miami a while ago and it was like, oh, like the, a Black Lexus. Yes. Yes. You know, 350 or whatever
12:39
is like their Honda Civic, right? Yep. You know, yeah. Yeah. We, what's the, the density on the
12:46
good, like the, the Rivians, how many Rivians y'all got? Oh, a shit ton. Yeah. Okay. Rivians
12:53
everywhere. Because I like, I see more Rivians than F-150s on a regular basis. Okay. Which I am,
13:01
I like, do I live in a tech bubble? Yeah, probably. Yep. Yep. That's all y'all. Yep. Got it. Yeah.
13:08
Yeah. So I live in like Central Denver and it's, it's Rivians and Teslas. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah,
13:16
they're quiet. They look, I mean, it looks cool. I'm ready for the R3. Yes. On the R3. Yes. I agree.
13:23
Yeah. Maybe. What, what else is on the horizon that you're looking for that like it is on your
13:28
shortlist for, I'm going to need to drive that when it is available to the public.
13:33
What, well, because the R3 looks at the bubble. That's a great question. So I am, I am like one
13:42
of the world's foremost power users, I'm sure. I've been using the service since it was Relay
13:47
Rides back in the early 2010s. And so I am, I think on the list, this, this is the year that I drive
13:56
a CAZ06. I will find one. I've found a couple. I've got a trip in a 992 coming up here. I've
14:05
got a big birthday coming up and I've decided that I'm going to go grab one of those and take a road
14:09
trip. Yeah. I think in terms of like I, new stuff for me is like 2015. Yeah. Like I have a, I have a
14:20
working theory that like there's no Lamborghini that's, that's younger than 15 years old. It's
14:24
interesting. And as soon as they turn 15, they become interesting. That's like with most cars.
14:29
Once, once they kind of hit that depreciation trough and, and start to really experience problems.
14:35
That's where my codependency starts to kick in. And I think I can fix that. Yeah. No, Ian sent me
14:42
like a BMW 7 something a while ago. And we were like, Oh, I look forward to being the fourth owner
14:48
of that. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Like let's, let's get double digit pages on this car
14:54
facts. Let's talk. Yeah. Yeah. So given that kind of like sliding scale, like what do you think is
14:59
going to start shifting into view that like, yeah, that maybe you're excited about from like 2010.
15:05
You know, I, I am slightly horrified about like a CL, like those later CLs, like the,
15:13
was it W221, C221s, whatever the other kind of the like pets.com era C, CLs.
15:24
Yeah. That like something like that with like a like a twin turbo v12 that is just an
15:31
adobtanium to fix. You know, I remember there was a there was a shot back in Dallas when I lived in
15:37
Texas that was, um, they had a CL 65 and they literally were fused service on it. They were
15:42
like, the, the, the bill for this is greater than the cost of the car. And we, we like reject this
15:49
on moral ground. Like we're conscientious objectors to be a part of this like fendom relationship
15:55
you have with post modram G. We're not gonna, we're like, it's just sick. Yeah. This is,
16:01
this is not, this is not healthy. Seek help. Yeah. Yeah. You need, you don't, yeah, you don't need
16:06
a mechanic. You need a priest. Like pot meat kettle. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. I, I, I don't know if
16:14
there's anything on the, on the BMW timeframe. Um, like right now my, my universe is anything
16:21
French for the most part. Um, those 106s are not a mistake. Um, I would, I would love to get one
16:27
of those, but like, is, is this the podcast where I get to, to talk about the bond time?
16:33
Like, yeah, it a hundred percent is. Yeah. Like what's on the 25 year sliding scale then. Yeah.
16:39
Yeah. So that's like, yeah, the, the, um, yeah, like that. Those are up this year, right? The
16:45
Aventines are? Yes, they are. Yeah. Yeah. Let me tell you. Yeah. Yeah. It was me that's bring
16:52
this up to Dave actually, because I, I legitimately started searching for these. Yeah. Yep. I was
16:59
like, I think we could, I could get one of these. Like I want one. Yeah. Yeah. There was one that
17:07
made its way down from Vancouver to a car show. And I like, I was, I was with a friend and like,
17:14
I can be overwhelming in person because I'm a big guy and I tend to gesticulate pretty wildly.
17:19
You can see on the screen and I don't know if this very kind and polite couple from Canada was,
17:25
that ready that early in the morning for somebody to freak out over, over a, you know, 20 year old
17:31
Renault. Right. Coming in hot. Yeah. Yeah. They're huge inside. They're enormous. Like, it's like,
17:40
you get inside and it's like, it feels like a tennis court. Is that, what is, what is even
17:44
hot? Like, I don't think there's been a normal picture taken of one of these. I don't think you
17:48
could. Yeah. Like, none of, none of this makes sense. That shouldn't exist. It looks like,
17:53
it looks like the Renault Aventine is the thing that you see in the back of the picture where
17:58
you go, Oh, no, that's AI. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yes. Yeah. AI could never take the
18:04
job of the Renault Aventine designer. You just can't. Right. Like this, there's like, why does
18:09
this exist? Who needs like the doors are super cool, by the way, like the way they open and the
18:14
way that, that, that inner panel there kind of opens out slightly. They kind of can't leave her.
18:19
So it's not a huge thing. Yeah. Oh, I don't, I don't know about this. Okay. Oh, oh, yeah. No,
18:25
this is, this is some like, uh, it's kind of some real subtle Connick's egg stuff that, that double
18:30
field sort of thing. But yeah, they, they open because like the doors are, you know, a football
18:36
feel long, kind of pop out and then open. Oh, like an old, like a created a problem. And then we
18:44
created a complex solution to solve it. Gotcha. Yeah. We're French. I love it. We, we're not the
18:51
manufacturers of the Ford 1996 Thunderbird. You're just going to open the door into, into the next
18:58
car, no matter what. Yeah. The logo is clearly placed on the front of the car. You know what
19:02
you're buying. Wow. Yeah. I was really thinking like, if I, if this was, if this was all wheel drive,
19:08
I could sell my wife on this being like a mountain car. Oh, oh, 100%. Right. Yeah. It's got decent,
19:15
it's got decent clearance. It's like, it is the, the sunroof in it is huge. Yeah. Like it is extremely
19:23
open. Yeah. I like, Ian, I will go habsies with you. Right. Yeah. Okay. Okay. They're brilliant. I
19:38
love the Renault does, which is to say not necessarily inspiring. That being said, the Clio V6 is, I
19:43
think, also coming up this year. I was going to say Clio V6. Yeah. Also, look, there's no B-pillar on
19:49
the Renault. Yeah. No, it's for B-pillars. Yeah. It's the best. I imagine it's so floppy. It's
19:57
got to be so floppy. It's got to drive like an 80s Chrysler minivan is what I imagine. I, I think
20:03
you could best describe that the chassis rigidity is al dente. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yes,
20:11
there is. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So Renault Clio V6 rear wheel drive, rear engine buddy. That's
20:19
got to be something. Yeah. You're curious about. The history on those is super fascinating too.
20:25
Yeah. I like, I did not realize that TWR did the engineering on those. And as like as a, a TWR
20:31
die hard. Yeah. If you're not familiar with the stuff that TWR has worked on over the course
20:37
of the years, it's kind of interesting to say the least. Still cut job. Yeah. Uh-huh. You keep
20:45
scrolling and let's get to the Swedish stuff because there's something in here that you will
20:48
recognize. Oh, well, the X-8220, of course. Okay. Oh, the Volvo 850 touring car. They were the ones
20:56
that, that, that campaigned the, the Volvo long roof. So the one, you know, that was apparently
21:02
it was a conversation they had getting like off of an airplane was actually the wagon has better
21:08
aerodynamics than the sedan does. I love that. Sure. Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah. And then they got super
21:16
involved in like Australian touring cars. So the name lives on down there. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean,
21:20
look at that. Right. Yeah. Right. That's, that's the perfect sedan. That, that like BTCC stance
21:26
from, uh, from the late nineties, that is, yeah, that's yes, please. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a
21:34
little terrified to drive one. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. There used to be a British
21:40
touring car championship liveried one, but it was like half liveried in this neighborhood across
21:47
the street from the, this garage I used to take my M45 to. I don't know the story about it. It's
21:53
one of like my unsolved mysteries in my head. It's still there, Dave. Is it really? Yeah. Because
21:58
yeah, my, my kid does gymnastics over there now. And yeah, it's still in that neighborhood. I still
22:04
see it every, every week. Yeah. If you can hear this, I would like to meet you. Yeah. We need to
22:13
leave a note. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Those, those bricks are yes. Yes, please. They're so cool. Absolutely.
22:20
Yeah. One of my dreams real quick is a Puggio 206. Like because I was a huge Gilpinizzi rally
22:28
fan. Yes. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. If you're ever having a bad day, go, go and look the,
22:34
what was it? Rally, Catalina. Yeah. Where he did the donut on this, like that is like,
22:39
oh, we've talked about that several times. We both love, you know, when, when Speed Channel or
22:48
whatever was showing WRC, that was like just the best, the best way to watch motor sport ever. Yes.
22:56
And like that era was so good. Like a speed vision. Yeah. When it's like 11 o'clock at night.
23:04
Yeah. And it's, yeah. Oh, right. I mean, that's just, that's, yeah, that's,
23:10
it's a perfect automotive form right there. I'm going to build one of these someday. I will
23:14
build a 206. Yeah. Well, now I have something to shop for. Yep. Yep. There, yeah, there are a
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couple of X-Works cars that have popped up. I will say the rally classified ads are very well
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sorted and just awfully tempting. Don't go there. I'll send them to you. Can you? Right? I mean,
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yes. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's the, the, like the crux of rally is that like,
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you got to be able to put a plate on it. Right. I volunteer out at the, at the Olympus rally
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up here every once in a while. And like all of those cars have license plates. All of them.
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Like regardless of how much flames they shoot, that is just kind of,
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that's part of it. Yeah. Yeah. You're having a bad day. Yep. Right. Yep. It lives rent free in my
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head forever. It's the best. Yeah. I think about that now as often as I think about the Coachella
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2023 closing set. Yes. Yep. Yep. Okay. Yes. But I think Ian would like to play a license plate
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game. He has a license plate game that he would like to show us. I am, I am,
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I am ready to fail. Okay. So hard. I've made two of them. So we can figure out which one we want
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to do. So I'll let you choose based on the type. Okay. Okay. The first one is giving you the bird.
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And the second one is woo. And I should add who kind of feeling that second one there. Okay.
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Let's do it. Let's pour some to this member jammer. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Dave has not seen these
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either. So you guys will be playing together as a team. You got to match the life, the text of the
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license plate to the car. I want to describe to people what you see. All right. I feel like,
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I feel like there's one trick in here because I immediately like, oh, so we have a tour X.
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Yes, it is. Yeah. All right. I am not going to derail this, but
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we need to collectively have a discourse as a society about the regal tour X.
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I, the bright red regal tour X, we've got a, what it looks like a Boxster GTS. Do I have that right?
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Yeah, I believe so. Okay. We'll do some zoomies and enhancements in a bit. And is that, is that in
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SQ5, SQ3, SQ5? You believe in an SQ5? Looks like it. Yeah. All right.
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And then the plates that we have to match up are, we having fun. This is, yeah. Really nearly and want
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to play. Woo. And I should add who? Good title, Liam. This is a tricky one because I feel like the
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the want to play, I want to say it's on the Boxster, but like,
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Right. I could see it being on the Audi too, right? Yeah, right. Because it's an SQ3,
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like somebody obviously like, that's, oh man. Like it's a little bit like, come on, let's go.
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Yeah. Right. I'm attracted to Willie Nilly on the regal. I don't know why though.
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No, I get it. Like, I think that that's like, it's not necessarily like a dad joke plate,
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but it's not like, yeah, yeah. Unironic Willie Nelson listening may happen adjacent to that car.
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Yep. Yeah. Exactly. Yep. Yep. I like where your head's at. Okay. Somebody who also enjoys
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unironic Willie Nelson listening. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. It's a Colorado plate. Yeah. Okay. Oh,
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yeah. We'll do zoomies in with Hansie's. Was that backed into a spot? Yeah. It is that. Yeah.
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Yep. There's stuff hanging from the rear view mirror. We don't know what they listen to this
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podcast. I feel like you think there's a non zero chance that if you own one of those, you might
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actually listen to this. Hello, whoever you are. Yeah. We're showing a picture of your car. We're
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not weird. Okay. Okay. So this is this is a Boxster GT. Is that a GTS? Yes, it is. Yeah. Well done.
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Whoever you are. Yeah. Okay. And it's a pure Michigan tag. So you bought the mid-engine
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sports car in the good spec to go live in Michigan. Props to you. Where there's no corners. Absolutely
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none. I mean, there's like four. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And the SQ, let's see what we got going here.
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Yeah, I got a Colorado tag. Okay. Got a Colorado tag and like I am a, this is the hill I'll die on
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is that you absolutely need to have a plate frame on your car. And so they have like a purple-ish,
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maybe titanium-ish looking plate frame. Detail to pick up on there. Okay. Yep. Heavy tint too.
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Fairy. Yeah. Okay. Does that stock like gunmetal? That's a good look. Yeah, not bad. Yeah. Looks
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pretty good. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. I'm kind of like I, willy-nilly on the regal. I feel like want to
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play like, can we zoom in on the rear view mirror on the Boxster there? Oh, yeah. You know, we're
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getting in on this, dude. Yeah. I think there's a passenger too you can zoom in on. Yeah. Oh,
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is there now? Oh, yeah. There we go. Okay. There we go. Okay. Okay. So I'm that, we having fun.
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I'm thinking that is, that's first person plural and there is nothing more first person plural
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than a Boxster. Yeah. With these people in it. Yes. Yep. Okay. Yep. And then, and then would it be,
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oh gosh. Yep. Want to play for the SQ5? That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking it's like a little
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goading. Like that's, yeah. Yeah. Right? Yep. How long did we get this? I'm excited to learn
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just how that works. Yeah. Are you guys locked in? You got it? I am. Yep. I think so. Willy-nilly on
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the TourX. We having fun on the Boxster GTS and then the SQ5 is want to play. Okay. All right.
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You guys did okay. Well, you got one right and then you put two of them. So want to play is on
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the TourX. We having fun is on, which is of course like it's two retirees. That's, that's a slam dunk.
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Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then because that's all who lives in Michigan anymore is retirees and then
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Willy-nilly on the, on the SQ5. Willy-nilly on an SQ5. I know, right? That's, somebody has whimsy.
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Well, but I, and this one was tough. I will agree because I don't think an Audi, even a
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slightly spicy Audi and a Buick, I wouldn't necessarily associate with frivolity. You know,
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like it's not, those are not like, yeah. That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. It's not like a Lamborghini.
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Yeah. Right. Yeah. They're not, they're not fun people cars. They're, they might be fun cars,
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but they're not for fun people. Right? Yes. I think that's fair. I think the want to play
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is because they're kids in the hockey. They got the TourX to, to shuttle like the, the sports kids
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stuff. Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. That's, that's the story that, that all right, now that I
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have the answer, but Willie-nilly is still, I don't know. I don't think, I don't think Willie-nilly
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should go on a German car. When the Germans go Willie-nilly, nobody's there. No. Yeah. That's,
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that's nothing. Tonight's, we will go Billy and we will go Nilly. Werner, we're doing both.
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Let's go meet up at Bergen. Oh man. Okay. Well, well done everybody. Yeah. These are,
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I listened to these and this is like, this is, this is impossible. Yeah. Yeah. There's some,
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you get some hard ones. You get some hard ones. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well done. Well, you did well.
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Thank you for playing that with us. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. My pleasure. Yeah. Dave, I think we done
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did a car show. What do you think? Oh man, we did one hell of a car show. I mean, yeah, it was
31:36
exactly what we needed it to be. We did some therapy with Drew. We did a mental health check.
31:41
He's looking at TVRs. He is, he is, he is winking and saying he's okay. Yep. I'm, I,
31:49
yeah. He's holding today's newspaper. Yes. I am fine. I am okay.
31:56
Okay. All right. We will, yeah, we'll have to figure out what the car is that you search
32:02
for that we, we do need to do a check on you at some point, but yeah. Yeah. If you, yeah,
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if you find what, I'm, I'm absolutely convinced that once you get far enough down the car rabbit
32:15
hole, like there is, you just need to get weird with that. Like I think, like I can't remember
32:21
the last time I saw like a Huracan and it turned my head, you know, but if you showed up in a
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twingo, like I'm, I will literally chase you down the highway on foot.
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And you catch him. You catch him. Oh yeah. Yeah. Without question. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
32:39
Meet you next break. Yeah. Break down. Yeah. Um, well, uh, where should people find you
32:46
on the blue sky? And are you on other platforms these days? Oh, no, no, it's just blue sky. I,
32:52
I, uh, I have, I have successfully, uh, curated my, my social media to where I have, I have one
32:58
place where I go do them, scroll. Um, and that's, yep. Yep. Um, and the, and the rest of it, you
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will, you will see me on every car classified site under the sun. All right. Well, here is midnight
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drifto, uh, at the blue sky. Team radar love is the, is the handle. Um, we are apex adjacent.
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We're also on the, on the blue sky and, uh, apex adjacent at Gmail. Uh, if you want to send us
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license plates or other terrible things for drew to search for, uh, seven, two, zero, five, five,
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one, three, nine, one. Um, everybody thank you. We love you. Goodbye.
