714: Protecting Pismo: Keeping California’s Only Drive-On Beach Open
About this episode
Pismo’s drive-on beach access takes center stage as the hosts and guest break down why legal pressure, consistent permitting, and community behavior matter. They connect California OHV shutdowns to broader precedents, explain incidental take permits and injunctions, and discuss how enforcement and vehicle counting can frustrate access. Along the way, they also cover off-road tech and gear talk—like IceCo fridge compressors and access designs—plus multiple giveaways and ways to support trail advocacy through donations, reviews, and community tokens.
Oceana Dunes at Pismo Beach is the only place in California where you can legally drive on the beach. For over 25 years, Jim Suty and Friends of Oceana Dunes have been fighting to keep it that way. Jimmy and Tyler sit down with Jim to talk about what’s happening now — and what’s been happening for a long time.
This one covers a lot of ground. Jim walks through the history of the snowy plover fight that started around 2001, the dust pollution battle that took center stage around 2019–2020, and the new issue that’s surfaced after all of that: SVR (the State Vehicular Recreation Area that manages the dunes) never completed the Incidental Take Permit for the snowy plover that should have been finalized as part of the original mitigation. The ITP is the document that allows recreation to continue in habitat where an endangered species is present, provided land managers mitigate impact to acceptable levels. Without it, the dunes are exposed. And because SVR was always reacting to the next crisis — the next budget cut, the next complaint from the Coastal Commission, the next thing coming down from the state level — the ITP kept getting pushed down the priority list until it didn’t get done.
Jimmy and Tyler dig into why this keeps happening — turnover in land manager leadership, no consistent long-term relationships with the local OHV community, a reactive management culture that never gets ahead of anything. The parallels to what Jimmy and Tyler see with El Dorado National Forest, Tahoe National Forest, and the Rubicon are everywhere.
The dust fight is a good-news story worth hearing in full. During COVID, when the dunes were closed and no OHVs were running, Friends of Oceana Dunes commissioned studies that showed the dust particulate in the town of Oceano was not being caused by OHV activity on the dunes. The science that the APCD and the Coastal Commission had been using to justify closures and restrictions was wrong. Friends of Oceana Dunes fought it in court, won, and the APCD was ruled to have been incorrect — with money that had been spent on dust mitigation going back toward recreational purposes. Tyler and Jimmy hold this up as exactly what litigation looks like when it works.
On where the money needs to come from: Tyler makes the argument that $20 to a litigation organization like Friends of Oceana Dunes or Blue Ribbon Coalition does more long-term work than $20 to a trail maintenance volunteer fund. Both matter. But if you can only pick one, he argues the scale is in favor of litigation. The numbers are striking — Jim mentions that 1.5 to 2.5 million people visit Oceana Dunes per year. If every one of them gave a quarter, Friends of Oceana Dunes would have a $500K–$750K operating budget. That’s how underfunded these organizations are relative to the scale of the impact they’re having.
Also in this episode: the new California OHV certification bill being pushed by KORVA (which has passed its first stages of legislation), the “two knuckleheads” problem and why bad actors in OHV get more press than bad actors in every other outdoor recreation category, why the Coastal Commission tried to stop Friends of Oceana Dunes from picking up trash on the beach, the OHV super PAC joke that maybe wasn’t entirely a joke, and Jimmy’s personal note about his college memories at Pismo.
Closing call to action: time, talent, or treasures. Find your carrot, find the organization working on it, and put something toward it.
**Find Friends of Oceana Dunes:**
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Four wheel underground
"Four wheel underground is making some big changes. They really are."
Four Wheel Underground makes off-road upgrade parts, especially for suspension. Here they’re changing their ordering so you can buy single parts instead of only a full package.
Four Wheel Underground is an off-road parts brand focused on suspension and 4x4 upgrades. In this segment, they’re described as changing how their products are sold so customers can buy individual components instead of only complete kits.
all a cart
"What's really cool about what they're doing right now is they're kind of changing the way the business is set in the sense that you get to now buy things all a cart."
“All a cart” means you can order parts individually instead of only buying a full kit. It’s like picking just the pieces you want for your suspension.
“All a cart” describes an à la carte ordering approach where customers can buy individual suspension components separately. That’s different from buying only complete kits, and it lets people upgrade specific parts based on their needs.
upper frame bracket
"So if you want the upper frame bracket, you can just buy that. Absolutely."
An upper frame bracket is a metal mounting piece that attaches to the truck’s frame. It’s where suspension parts connect so the system can be installed and adjusted correctly.
An upper frame bracket is a mounting piece that bolts to the vehicle’s frame and provides attachment points for suspension components. It’s part of how a lift kit or suspension system relocates and controls suspension geometry.
lower link bracket
"If you want the lower link bracket because it has the integrated bump stop and it's super stout and it looks really good too, you can get just those before you would have to buy the whole kit."
A lower link bracket is the part that holds the lower suspension links in place. It can also include a built-in bump stop to help protect the suspension when the truck bottoms out.
A lower link bracket is the mounting point for the lower suspension links (often part of a link-style suspension). The bracket can include features like an integrated bump stop to help control suspension travel and impacts.
integrated bump stop
"If you want the lower link bracket because it has the integrated bump stop and it's super stout and it looks really good too, you can get just those before you would have to buy the whole kit."
An integrated bump stop is a built-in cushion/stop that limits how far the suspension can move downward. It helps keep the truck from slamming into hard parts when you hit big bumps.
An integrated bump stop is a suspension contact surface built into a bracket or component that limits how far the suspension can compress. It helps prevent metal-to-metal damage and reduces harsh impacts when the vehicle hits bumps or bottoms out.
cartridge joints
"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."
Cartridge joints are the heavy-duty connection points used in suspension linkages. They’re designed to handle rough off-road movement and can often be serviced or replaced if they wear out.
Cartridge joints are suspension joint assemblies (often used on off-road linkages) that use replaceable internal bearings or bushings inside a cartridge-style housing. They’re chosen for durability and serviceability under off-road loads.
Johnny joints
"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."
Johnny joints are special suspension connection parts that let the suspension move through its travel more freely. They help the system stay smooth and aligned when the truck flexes over rough terrain.
Johnny joints are a type of suspension joint designed to provide controlled articulation while reducing binding. They’re commonly used in off-road link suspensions because they can better handle misalignment and movement than simple rigid mounts.
himes
"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."
“Himes” likely means Heim joints, which are spherical joint ends used in suspension links. They let the suspension move and pivot smoothly while still being strong for off-road use.
“Himes” here refers to Heim joints (often spelled “Heim” in suspension talk), which are spherical rod-end joints used to connect linkages. They’re popular in off-road setups for their articulation and strength, especially on adjustable suspension arms.
offsets
"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."
Offsets are parts that move a mounting point slightly to change how the suspension sits and moves. They’re used to fine-tune the truck’s setup.
In suspension parts, offsets are components or spacers that shift a mounting point’s position to fine-tune geometry. That can affect alignment, ride height, and how the suspension tracks under load.
Aluminum links
"Do you know what else he brought in-house? Aluminum links. Aluminum links."
Aluminum links are suspension arms made from aluminum. They can help reduce weight and resist rust, while still doing the job of controlling how the wheels move.
Aluminum links are suspension control arms/links made from aluminum instead of steel. They’re often used to reduce unsprung weight and can resist corrosion better, but they still need to be properly engineered for strength and durability.
link suspension kit
"So if you want to move your Toyota from Lee Springs to a link suspension kit, check out four wheel underground."
A link suspension kit is an upgrade to a truck/SUV’s suspension. It uses extra “links” and arms to help the wheels move more smoothly over bumps and rough ground. Off-roaders use it to get better traction and more wheel travel on trails.
A link suspension kit is an off-road suspension upgrade that replaces the stock suspension with a system that uses control arms/links to manage wheel movement. The goal is usually more articulation (wheel travel) and better control over uneven terrain. It’s commonly used to improve ride quality and traction for trail driving.
on X Off-Road
"We want to check with you guys today about on X Off-Road. Definitely one of our favorite apps for off-roading."
on X Off-Road is a mobile/off-road navigation and community app used by off-roaders to plan routes and connect with trail information. In this segment, it’s positioned as more than software because the brand also supports community programs and partnerships. The hosts mention discounts through partner networks tied to the app.
trail revival program
"Yeah. What's better is not only their software, but they also are doing a lot to be a part of the off-roading community here in the country from the trail revival program, which"
A trail revival program is an organized effort to restore and maintain off-road trails that have been neglected, damaged, or restricted. These programs often involve community volunteers, land managers, and partner organizations working on upkeep and access. The intent is to keep trails usable and sustainable for future riders.
Wrangler Rubicon
"...e a part of and use to do some maintenance on the Rubicon Trail too. They have an elite partnership."
The Wrangler is an off-road SUV made for driving on trails and rough terrain. People often use it for places like the Rubicon Trail, and the podcast mentions doing maintenance related to that kind of driving. It’s popular because it’s designed to be worked on and upgraded.
The Wrangler is a Jeep off-road SUV built around a rugged, trail-focused design and strong aftermarket support. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in connection with the Rubicon Trail and maintenance work, which fits its reputation as a common platform for serious off-roading. The “elite partnership” reference points to how Wrangler owners and support networks are often involved in trail events and preparedness.
Rubicon Trail
"I actually got to be a part of and use to do some maintenance on the Rubicon Trail too. They have an elite partnership."
The Rubicon Trail is a well-known off-road trail in California. It’s famous for being tough, with rocky sections and rough terrain. People often talk about it like a major challenge or a dream trail to ride.
The Rubicon Trail is a famous off-road route in California known for technical obstacles and challenging terrain. It’s often used as a benchmark for off-road capability because it includes steep climbs, rocks, and deep ruts. Many off-road communities treat it as a “bucket list” trail.
maintenance
"I actually got to be a part of and use to do some maintenance on the Rubicon Trail too. They have an elite partnership."
Maintenance just means taking care of the vehicle so it keeps working well. Off-roading can wear parts out faster, so people check things and fix small issues early. That helps avoid breakdowns while you’re out on trails.
In an off-road context, maintenance refers to the routine work needed to keep a vehicle reliable after hard use—things like inspecting wear items and addressing issues early. Off-road driving can accelerate problems due to vibration, dust, and repeated impacts. The key idea is preventing small problems from turning into trail failures.
elite partnership
"They have an elite partnership. So if you are an on X Off-Road user, you can go to any of their 40 plus partners on there"
An elite partnership is a special kind of agreement between companies. In this case, it’s being used to explain that the app has partner businesses that offer better perks—like discounts—to users. It’s like a rewards network tied to the app.
An elite partnership is a higher-tier collaboration between organizations or brands, typically offering special benefits like promotions, discounts, or co-marketing. Here, it’s used to explain why on X Off-Road users can access deals through partner businesses. It’s essentially a structured rewards relationship rather than a casual affiliation.
compressors
"we started chatting about what IceCo does and how their fridges work and the very specific compressors that they put in their fridges and that they can work and operate at weird angles,"
A fridge compressor is the part that “moves” the cooling fluid around so the fridge can get cold. If the compressor can’t work correctly when the fridge is tilted, the fridge won’t cool well. The point here is that IceCo’s design is meant to keep cooling even when the vehicle is angled off-road.
In a fridge, the compressor is the pump that circulates refrigerant through the cooling system. Its job is to create the pressure difference that lets the fridge move heat out of the interior and reject it outside. The host is emphasizing that IceCo uses compressors designed to keep working reliably even when the unit is tilted.
IceCo
"we started chatting about what IceCo does and how their fridges work and the very specific compressors that they put in their fridges ... I've always put IceCo as like third tier, second or third tier in terms of fridges."
IceCo makes portable fridges meant for off-road and overland use. The host is saying IceCo’s cooling system is built to keep working even when the fridge isn’t perfectly level, like when your vehicle is on uneven terrain.
IceCo is a brand of off-road fridges/freezers designed for use in vehicles where the unit may be tilted. In this segment, the host focuses on IceCo’s approach to fridge cooling hardware—specifically compressors that can operate at significant angles—so the system still works when mounted in real-world off-road setups.
10 to 15 degrees of vertical
"because that's a big issue with fridges is that the compressors, the AC compressors in them, have to stay like within 10 to 15 degrees of vertical."
Many portable fridges only work well if they’re fairly level—within a small tilt range. If you mount them in a way that tilts too much, the cooling can stop working properly. The host is saying IceCo can handle a lot more tilt than that typical limit.
This refers to the tilt tolerance many portable fridge refrigeration systems require to keep the compressor and refrigerant working as intended. When the unit gets beyond that angle, the cooling system may not circulate refrigerant correctly, leading to poor or failed cooling. The host contrasts this with IceCo’s ability to run at much larger angles.
refrigerant
"As soon as they start getting off canter, then the AC and the refrigerant and the compressor doesn't work properly."
Refrigerant is the special liquid/gas that carries the heat out of the fridge. The compressor helps move it through the cooling system. If the compressor doesn’t work right when the fridge is tilted, the refrigerant can’t do its job well, so the fridge won’t cool properly.
Refrigerant is the fluid inside a refrigeration system that changes pressure and temperature as it circulates. The compressor pressurizes it, and as it flows through the system it absorbs heat inside the fridge and releases it outside. If the compressor can’t operate correctly due to tilt, refrigerant circulation and cooling performance can degrade.
45 to 50 degrees off canter
"can go upwards of like almost 45 to 50 degrees off canter."
The host is saying IceCo’s fridge can still cool even when it’s tilted a lot—around 45 to 50 degrees off level. That’s important for off-road driving because the vehicle (and the fridge mounted inside) can be angled sharply. Most fridges can’t handle that much tilt.
“Off center” here describes how far the fridge can be tilted from level while still cooling. The host claims IceCo’s compressor design can operate at roughly 45–50 degrees off center, which is far beyond typical fridge mounting tolerances. That matters for off-road vehicles that frequently sit at steep angles.
Dometic
"Amazon fridges stuff, but they're not as high tier priced as like the ARB and some of the Dometics, right? Sure. And so I brought that up with them and I was like, how do your compressors and technology work compared to ARB and Dometic?"
Dometic makes popular camping and RV fridges, including compressor-style units. In this discussion, they’re used as the “higher tier” comparison for how much electricity the fridge uses.
Dometic is a major maker of RV and outdoor refrigeration, including compressor fridges. The host uses Dometic as a reference point for power draw and efficiency compared with ARB and other brands.
ARB
"Amazon fridges stuff, but they're not as high tier priced as like the ARB and some of the Dometics, right? Sure. And so I brought that up with them and I was like, how do your compressors and technology work compared to ARB and Dometic?"
ARB is a well-known off-road brand that makes gear like compressor fridges. Here, they’re being compared to other fridge brands to see which one uses less power.
ARB is an off-road brand best known for rugged 4x4 accessories, including compressor fridges used for camping and overlanding. In this segment, ARB is used as a benchmark for compressor efficiency versus other fridge brands.
watts
"So like a 60 liter, 60 quart of ARB fridge or Dometic fridge will pull roughly 55 to 60 watts of power when the compressor is running. Yeah, which is a lot."
Watts tell you how much electricity a device uses. Lower watts usually means the fridge can run longer on the same battery.
Watts measure electrical power consumption. Here, the speaker compares fridge compressor power draw in watts (e.g., 55–60W vs 25–30W) to argue which fridge is more efficient and therefore easier to run from a battery pack.
battery pack
"That's quite a bit, right? It depends on your battery pack. But compared to IceCo's compressors, their compressors will pull 25 to 30 watts,"
A battery pack is the portable battery you use to power things off-grid. If your fridge uses more watts, it will drain the battery faster—so battery size matters.
A battery pack is the portable energy storage used to power off-grid accessories like compressor fridges. The segment notes that fridge power draw (watts) translates into runtime differently depending on the battery pack’s capacity and setup.
Toyota Land
"So like there's what? There's high, like the Toyota Land Cruiser right now has a fridge in its center cons..."
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a large SUV built for tough driving, including off-road trails. The podcast mentions it having a built-in fridge in the center area, which is useful for keeping food and drinks cold on long trips. It’s the kind of vehicle people use when they want both comfort and capability.
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a full-size, body-on-frame SUV known for long-distance durability and serious off-road capability. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in the context of a practical interior feature—like a built-in fridge—showing how it can be set up for extended trips while still being used off-road. That kind of “expedition-ready” setup is often a reason these vehicles come up in 4x4 discussions.
Land Range Rovers
"...that contract, but he said that all like overseas Range Rovers that have fridges built into the car somewhere, t..."
The Range Rover is a luxury SUV that’s designed to drive comfortably but still handle rough roads. The podcast mentions some versions having a built-in fridge, which helps keep food and drinks cold during trips. It’s being discussed as an example of a convenient feature in a capable SUV.
The Land Rover Range Rover is a luxury SUV that blends on-road comfort with off-road ability. The podcast specifically references overseas Range Rovers that have fridges built into the vehicle, highlighting how some trims or markets are equipped for long trips and convenience. That’s why it comes up alongside expedition-style features in a 4x4 conversation.
four-link
"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."
A four-link suspension uses four arms to hold the axle in place. It helps the truck stay controlled and keep traction when the wheels move a lot off-road.
A four-link suspension uses four control arms to control axle location and movement. Off-road builders like it because it can be tuned to reduce unwanted axle steer and improve traction under articulation.
three-link
"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."
A three-link suspension is a way of mounting the axle with three arms. The goal is to keep the truck stable and control how the wheels move over bumps.
A three-link suspension uses three control arms to locate the axle and manage how it moves. It’s a common off-road setup because it can be tuned for stability and ride quality while keeping the axle’s movement predictable.
triangulated suspension kits
"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."
Triangulated suspension kits use a “triangle” shape with the suspension links. That helps the axle move in a controlled way so the truck handles better off-road.
Triangulated suspension kits use link geometry that forms a triangle, which helps control axle rotation and can reduce unwanted steering effects. This is a popular approach for off-road trucks where predictable handling at flex is important.
parallel
"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."
In suspension context, “parallel” refers to a link geometry where the control arms are arranged to move in a more parallel relationship as the suspension cycles. That geometry affects how the axle rotates and how the truck behaves during bumps and climbs.
coilover mounts
"[1030.7s] Underbed coilover mounts, through-bed coilover mounts, trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."
Coilover mounts are the brackets that hold the coilover shocks to the truck. Strong, correctly placed mounts help the suspension work properly and survive off-road abuse.
Coilover mounts are the structural brackets or plates that attach a coilover shock to the vehicle. Their location and strength matter because they determine shock angle, suspension travel, and how well the chassis resists bending forces.
custom-tuned coilovers
"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."
Custom-tuned coilovers are shocks set up specifically for a particular truck and driving style. The goal is to make the suspension feel right and handle bumps better.
Custom-tuned coilovers are shocks/struts with spring and damping settings tailored to a specific vehicle and use case. Tuning affects ride height, how quickly the suspension responds, and how well it controls body motion during off-road impacts.
air pumps
"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."
Air pumps provide compressed air for suspension parts that use air. That can help the truck adjust ride height or how the suspension behaves.
In off-road suspension setups, air pumps are used to supply compressed air for air-assisted components (commonly air springs or air shocks). They’re part of systems that can adjust ride height or damping behavior.
trailing arms
"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."
Trailing arms are suspension parts that help guide how the wheels move. They pivot as the suspension travels so the truck stays controlled over bumps.
Trailing arms are suspension links that pivot to control wheel/axle movement, typically oriented so they “trail” behind the pivot point. They’re used to manage both ride and axle control, especially in off-road long-travel designs.
cantilevers
"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."
A cantilever is a suspension lever that helps transfer wheel movement to the shock in a controlled way. It’s used to tune how the truck rides and handles off-road.
A cantilever suspension uses a lever arm to multiply or redirect forces from the wheel to the shock or spring. In off-road builds, it’s often used to package shocks and tune ride/handling characteristics.
skid plates
"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."
Skid plates are protective panels under the truck. They help prevent damage from hitting rocks or getting scraped on rough trails.
Skid plates are protective metal or composite panels mounted underneath a vehicle to shield vulnerable components from rocks, logs, and ruts. They’re a key off-road protection item because underbody damage can quickly end a trail run.
shock towers
"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."
Shock towers are reinforced points where the shocks mount. They need to be strong because the suspension pushes and pulls hard over bumps.
Shock towers are reinforced mounting structures that provide an attachment point for shocks, often in off-road suspension conversions. Because they take significant loads, they’re typically reinforced to prevent cracking and to maintain suspension alignment.
subframes
"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."
A subframe is an extra frame section that supports key parts of the car. It can make suspension upgrades stronger and easier to install.
A subframe is a secondary structural frame that supports specific components like suspension, steering, or body sections. Off-road builders use subframes to strengthen mounting points and to make suspension swaps easier.
frame stiffeners
"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."
Frame stiffeners are added reinforcements that make the truck’s frame less flexible. That helps the suspension stay aligned when you’re hitting rough terrain.
Frame stiffeners are reinforcement pieces added to a vehicle’s frame to reduce flex and improve structural rigidity. On off-road builds, they help keep suspension geometry consistent under heavy loads and repeated impacts.
Ford Torino
"...es for some Vora series. I think it was the Vegas Torino or the Mint 400. One of those two races, they shu..."
The Ford Torino is an older Ford performance car that became known for racing. The podcast brings it up because it was used in or associated with well-known race events. It’s mentioned as part of the car history behind motorsport and off-road competition.
The Ford Torino is a classic American muscle car that’s known for its role in motorsport and racing-era performance. The podcast mentions it in the context of specific race events (like the Vegas Torino and Mint 400), which highlights its historical connection to desert and competition racing. That’s why it comes up in a discussion that references off-road culture and endurance-style events.
education
"And if the main goal is education here, which I've heard cited as the main purpose behind [3499.6s] this OHV certification that's happening in California right now, if the main purpose is [3505.5s] education, then you would think that they would want to make it as easily accessible as humanly"
They’re saying the best way to keep off-road areas open is to teach people how to do it safely and follow the rules. If training is easier to get, more people will do it the right way.
Here, “education” is being treated as a core policy tool: teach people the rules and safe operation so they’re more likely to participate correctly. The host argues that easier access to training increases compliance and reduces harm.
OHV certification
"And if the main goal is education here, which I've heard cited as the main purpose behind [3499.6s] this OHV certification that's happening in California right now, if the main purpose is [3505.5s] education, then you would think that they would want to make it as easily accessible as humanly"
OHV certification is a kind of permission you get to drive off-road vehicles in approved places. It usually involves learning safety rules and how to operate responsibly so people don’t get hurt and the areas stay open.
OHV certification refers to an official approval process for operating off-highway vehicles on designated trails or areas. In California, it’s tied to education and safety requirements so riders/drivers understand rules and how to use the land responsibly.
credit card
"And it's the same [3604.2s] in OHV and everything. So I endorse it. I just, I think it needs to be a simple way. I think it [3610.8s] needs to be accessible to all money. I mean, there might be a marginal fee just to cover"
They’re basically saying people can buy expensive off-road toys easily, like with a credit card, without learning how to use them safely. The risk is that they don’t know what they’re doing and someone can get hurt.
The host uses “credit card” as shorthand for low-friction purchasing—buying an expensive vehicle without learning how to operate it safely. In this context, the point is that access to the vehicle doesn’t equal access to the skills needed to drive it properly.
wakeboarding boat
"and a lot of people can just [3591.1s] throw it on their credit card by a super expensive wakeboarding boat and not understand how to drive [3597.6s] it properly or what speeds you should be doing it at."
A wakeboarding boat is a boat used to pull someone on a wakeboard. Even if the boat is made for it, you still need to know how to drive it safely and at the right speed.
A “wakeboarding boat” is a boat configured for towing a wakeboarder, typically with ballast/propulsion setup that creates a consistent wake. The host’s analogy is that even with a purpose-built boat, you still need training to drive at the right speeds and safely.
digital app
"I think it [3610.8s] needs to be accessible to all money. I mean, there might be a marginal fee just to cover [3617.4s] some of the basic costs of like, you have to run a test and you have to pay for the paper, [3622.4s] you know, or whatever it is or the digital app, you know, website being made, but it shouldn't"
They’re talking about using a phone or website app to handle parts of the certification. The idea is to make it easier to complete so more people can do it.
A “digital app” here refers to an online/phone-based system used to deliver parts of the certification process (like scheduling, testing, or paperwork). The host is arguing the process should be accessible and not overly burdensome.
Polaris
"And that was one of the main things behind that New York Times article. The main story of it was Polaris finally. And this is something I've been touting for years."
Polaris makes off-road vehicles like ATVs and side-by-sides. Here, they’re being praised for putting money into a grant program to help maintain off-road areas.
Polaris is a major off-road vehicle manufacturer best known for ATVs, side-by-sides, and off-road utility vehicles. In this segment, the host credits Polaris with funding a grant program aimed at trail/area maintenance.
grant program
"Polaris just finally, after all these years, they finally stepped up and said they're going to put together $350,000 into a grant program. And I forget the organization that is kind of housing the grant program, but they're going to match it."
A grant program is like a pot of money that organizations can apply to in order to fund a specific project. Here, it’s meant to pay for maintaining off-road areas.
A grant program is a structured funding pool where organizations apply for money to pay for specific projects. In this context, it’s used to fund maintenance work for motorized recreation areas.
litigation fights
"Is it signs put up at trailheads? Is it info signs? Is it litigation fights? Is it cleanups and adopt a trail work?"
“Litigation fights” means legal battles in court. In recreation areas, those lawsuits can affect whether places stay open to off-road vehicles or get closed.
“Litigation fights” refers to legal disputes—often lawsuits or court challenges—used to influence land access, rules, or closures for recreation areas. In off-road advocacy, these fights can determine whether trails stay open or get restricted.
adopt a trail work
"Is it cleanups and adopt a trail work? What is it that you want to see at your area? And find an organization that's working on that, whatever your carrot is, and support the hell out of those organizations."
“Adopt-a-trail” is when volunteers choose a trail area and help maintain it. That can include things like cleanup days and simple upkeep to help the trail stay usable.
“Adopt-a-trail” is a volunteer program model where individuals or groups take responsibility for maintaining a specific trail area. In off-road and recreation contexts, it often means organizing cleanups, basic trail maintenance, and helping keep access open.
OHV registered vehicle
"If every OHV registered vehicle in the state of Utah gave $5 then to blue ribbon coalition, blue ribbon coalition would outfund Suwa within a month and a half annually."
OHV means “off-highway vehicle,” like vehicles that are meant for trails and off-road areas. “Registered” means the state has them on record for legal off-road use.
OHV stands for “off-highway vehicle,” meaning vehicles used on trails and off-road areas rather than public highways. When the speaker says “OHV registered vehicle,” they’re referring to vehicles that are officially registered for off-road use in a state.
blue ribbon coalition
"If every OHV registered vehicle in the state of Utah gave $5 then to blue ribbon coalition, blue ribbon coalition would outfund Suwa within a month and a half annually."
Blue Ribbon Coalition is a group that advocates for keeping off-road recreation areas open. In this segment, it’s the organization the speaker is talking about funding.
A “Blue Ribbon Coalition” is an advocacy group focused on protecting off-road access and public land recreation. The speaker uses it as the funding target in a hypothetical donation scenario.
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