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714: Protecting Pismo: Keeping California’s Only Drive-On Beach Open

714: Protecting Pismo: Keeping California’s Only Drive-On Beach Open

Snail Trail 4x4 Offroad Podcast Jun 08, 2026 93 min
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About this episode

Pismo’s drive-on beach access takes center stage as the hosts and guest break down why legal pressure, consistent permitting, and community behavior matter. They connect California OHV shutdowns to broader precedents, explain incidental take permits and injunctions, and discuss how enforcement and vehicle counting can frustrate access. Along the way, they also cover off-road tech and gear talk—like IceCo fridge compressors and access designs—plus multiple giveaways and ways to support trail advocacy through donations, reviews, and community tokens.

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Four wheel underground

"Four wheel underground is making some big changes. They really are."

Four Wheel Underground makes off-road upgrade parts, especially for suspension. Here they’re changing their ordering so you can buy single parts instead of only a full package.

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all a cart

"What's really cool about what they're doing right now is they're kind of changing the way the business is set in the sense that you get to now buy things all a cart."

“All a cart” means you can order parts individually instead of only buying a full kit. It’s like picking just the pieces you want for your suspension.

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upper frame bracket

"So if you want the upper frame bracket, you can just buy that. Absolutely."

An upper frame bracket is a metal mounting piece that attaches to the truck’s frame. It’s where suspension parts connect so the system can be installed and adjusted correctly.

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lower link bracket

"If you want the lower link bracket because it has the integrated bump stop and it's super stout and it looks really good too, you can get just those before you would have to buy the whole kit."

A lower link bracket is the part that holds the lower suspension links in place. It can also include a built-in bump stop to help protect the suspension when the truck bottoms out.

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integrated bump stop

"If you want the lower link bracket because it has the integrated bump stop and it's super stout and it looks really good too, you can get just those before you would have to buy the whole kit."

An integrated bump stop is a built-in cushion/stop that limits how far the suspension can move downward. It helps keep the truck from slamming into hard parts when you hit big bumps.

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cartridge joints

"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."

Cartridge joints are the heavy-duty connection points used in suspension linkages. They’re designed to handle rough off-road movement and can often be serviced or replaced if they wear out.

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Johnny joints

"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."

Johnny joints are special suspension connection parts that let the suspension move through its travel more freely. They help the system stay smooth and aligned when the truck flexes over rough terrain.

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himes

"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."

“Himes” likely means Heim joints, which are spherical joint ends used in suspension links. They let the suspension move and pivot smoothly while still being strong for off-road use.

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offsets

"So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints or a buildable Johnny joints, himes, offsets, all sorts of different ones."

Offsets are parts that move a mounting point slightly to change how the suspension sits and moves. They’re used to fine-tune the truck’s setup.

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Aluminum links

"Do you know what else he brought in-house? Aluminum links. Aluminum links."

Aluminum links are suspension arms made from aluminum. They can help reduce weight and resist rust, while still doing the job of controlling how the wheels move.

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link suspension kit

"So if you want to move your Toyota from Lee Springs to a link suspension kit, check out four wheel underground."

A link suspension kit is an upgrade to a truck/SUV’s suspension. It uses extra “links” and arms to help the wheels move more smoothly over bumps and rough ground. Off-roaders use it to get better traction and more wheel travel on trails.

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on X Off-Road

"We want to check with you guys today about on X Off-Road. Definitely one of our favorite apps for off-roading."

on X Off-Road is a mobile/off-road navigation and community app used by off-roaders to plan routes and connect with trail information. In this segment, it’s positioned as more than software because the brand also supports community programs and partnerships. The hosts mention discounts through partner networks tied to the app.

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trail revival program

"Yeah. What's better is not only their software, but they also are doing a lot to be a part of the off-roading community here in the country from the trail revival program, which"

A trail revival program is an organized effort to restore and maintain off-road trails that have been neglected, damaged, or restricted. These programs often involve community volunteers, land managers, and partner organizations working on upkeep and access. The intent is to keep trails usable and sustainable for future riders.

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Car

Wrangler Rubicon

"...e a part of and use to do some maintenance on the Rubicon Trail too. They have an elite partnership."

The Wrangler is an off-road SUV made for driving on trails and rough terrain. People often use it for places like the Rubicon Trail, and the podcast mentions doing maintenance related to that kind of driving. It’s popular because it’s designed to be worked on and upgraded.

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Rubicon Trail

"I actually got to be a part of and use to do some maintenance on the Rubicon Trail too. They have an elite partnership."

The Rubicon Trail is a well-known off-road trail in California. It’s famous for being tough, with rocky sections and rough terrain. People often talk about it like a major challenge or a dream trail to ride.

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maintenance

"I actually got to be a part of and use to do some maintenance on the Rubicon Trail too. They have an elite partnership."

Maintenance just means taking care of the vehicle so it keeps working well. Off-roading can wear parts out faster, so people check things and fix small issues early. That helps avoid breakdowns while you’re out on trails.

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elite partnership

"They have an elite partnership. So if you are an on X Off-Road user, you can go to any of their 40 plus partners on there"

An elite partnership is a special kind of agreement between companies. In this case, it’s being used to explain that the app has partner businesses that offer better perks—like discounts—to users. It’s like a rewards network tied to the app.

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compressors

"we started chatting about what IceCo does and how their fridges work and the very specific compressors that they put in their fridges and that they can work and operate at weird angles,"

A fridge compressor is the part that “moves” the cooling fluid around so the fridge can get cold. If the compressor can’t work correctly when the fridge is tilted, the fridge won’t cool well. The point here is that IceCo’s design is meant to keep cooling even when the vehicle is angled off-road.

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IceCo

"we started chatting about what IceCo does and how their fridges work and the very specific compressors that they put in their fridges ... I've always put IceCo as like third tier, second or third tier in terms of fridges."

IceCo makes portable fridges meant for off-road and overland use. The host is saying IceCo’s cooling system is built to keep working even when the fridge isn’t perfectly level, like when your vehicle is on uneven terrain.

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10 to 15 degrees of vertical

"because that's a big issue with fridges is that the compressors, the AC compressors in them, have to stay like within 10 to 15 degrees of vertical."

Many portable fridges only work well if they’re fairly level—within a small tilt range. If you mount them in a way that tilts too much, the cooling can stop working properly. The host is saying IceCo can handle a lot more tilt than that typical limit.

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refrigerant

"As soon as they start getting off canter, then the AC and the refrigerant and the compressor doesn't work properly."

Refrigerant is the special liquid/gas that carries the heat out of the fridge. The compressor helps move it through the cooling system. If the compressor doesn’t work right when the fridge is tilted, the refrigerant can’t do its job well, so the fridge won’t cool properly.

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45 to 50 degrees off canter

"can go upwards of like almost 45 to 50 degrees off canter."

The host is saying IceCo’s fridge can still cool even when it’s tilted a lot—around 45 to 50 degrees off level. That’s important for off-road driving because the vehicle (and the fridge mounted inside) can be angled sharply. Most fridges can’t handle that much tilt.

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Dometic

"Amazon fridges stuff, but they're not as high tier priced as like the ARB and some of the Dometics, right? Sure. And so I brought that up with them and I was like, how do your compressors and technology work compared to ARB and Dometic?"

Dometic makes popular camping and RV fridges, including compressor-style units. In this discussion, they’re used as the “higher tier” comparison for how much electricity the fridge uses.

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ARB

"Amazon fridges stuff, but they're not as high tier priced as like the ARB and some of the Dometics, right? Sure. And so I brought that up with them and I was like, how do your compressors and technology work compared to ARB and Dometic?"

ARB is a well-known off-road brand that makes gear like compressor fridges. Here, they’re being compared to other fridge brands to see which one uses less power.

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watts

"So like a 60 liter, 60 quart of ARB fridge or Dometic fridge will pull roughly 55 to 60 watts of power when the compressor is running. Yeah, which is a lot."

Watts tell you how much electricity a device uses. Lower watts usually means the fridge can run longer on the same battery.

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battery pack

"That's quite a bit, right? It depends on your battery pack. But compared to IceCo's compressors, their compressors will pull 25 to 30 watts,"

A battery pack is the portable battery you use to power things off-grid. If your fridge uses more watts, it will drain the battery faster—so battery size matters.

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Car

Toyota Land

"So like there's what? There's high, like the Toyota Land Cruiser right now has a fridge in its center cons..."

The Toyota Land Cruiser is a large SUV built for tough driving, including off-road trails. The podcast mentions it having a built-in fridge in the center area, which is useful for keeping food and drinks cold on long trips. It’s the kind of vehicle people use when they want both comfort and capability.

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Land Range Rovers

"...that contract, but he said that all like overseas Range Rovers that have fridges built into the car somewhere, t..."

The Range Rover is a luxury SUV that’s designed to drive comfortably but still handle rough roads. The podcast mentions some versions having a built-in fridge, which helps keep food and drinks cold during trips. It’s being discussed as an example of a convenient feature in a capable SUV.

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four-link

"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."

A four-link suspension uses four arms to hold the axle in place. It helps the truck stay controlled and keep traction when the wheels move a lot off-road.

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three-link

"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."

A three-link suspension is a way of mounting the axle with three arms. The goal is to keep the truck stable and control how the wheels move over bumps.

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triangulated suspension kits

"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."

Triangulated suspension kits use a “triangle” shape with the suspension links. That helps the axle move in a controlled way so the truck handles better off-road.

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parallel

"[1025.1s] Three-link, four-link, parallel, and triangulated suspension kits, we've got you covered."

In suspension context, “parallel” refers to a link geometry where the control arms are arranged to move in a more parallel relationship as the suspension cycles. That geometry affects how the axle rotates and how the truck behaves during bumps and climbs.

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coilover mounts

"[1030.7s] Underbed coilover mounts, through-bed coilover mounts, trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."

Coilover mounts are the brackets that hold the coilover shocks to the truck. Strong, correctly placed mounts help the suspension work properly and survive off-road abuse.

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custom-tuned coilovers

"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."

Custom-tuned coilovers are shocks set up specifically for a particular truck and driving style. The goal is to make the suspension feel right and handle bumps better.

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air pumps

"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."

Air pumps provide compressed air for suspension parts that use air. That can help the truck adjust ride height or how the suspension behaves.

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trailing arms

"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."

Trailing arms are suspension parts that help guide how the wheels move. They pivot as the suspension travels so the truck stays controlled over bumps.

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cantilevers

"[1033.8s] trailing arms, cantilevers, custom-tuned coilovers, and air pumps, we've got you covered."

A cantilever is a suspension lever that helps transfer wheel movement to the shock in a controlled way. It’s used to tune how the truck rides and handles off-road.

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skid plates

"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."

Skid plates are protective panels under the truck. They help prevent damage from hitting rocks or getting scraped on rough trails.

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shock towers

"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."

Shock towers are reinforced points where the shocks mount. They need to be strong because the suspension pushes and pulls hard over bumps.

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subframes

"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."

A subframe is an extra frame section that supports key parts of the car. It can make suspension upgrades stronger and easier to install.

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frame stiffeners

"[1039.4s] Frame stiffeners, subframes, skid plates, shock towers, and more to come."

Frame stiffeners are added reinforcements that make the truck’s frame less flexible. That helps the suspension stay aligned when you’re hitting rough terrain.

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Ford Torino

"...es for some Vora series. I think it was the Vegas Torino or the Mint 400. One of those two races, they shu..."

The Ford Torino is an older Ford performance car that became known for racing. The podcast brings it up because it was used in or associated with well-known race events. It’s mentioned as part of the car history behind motorsport and off-road competition.

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education

"And if the main goal is education here, which I've heard cited as the main purpose behind [3499.6s] this OHV certification that's happening in California right now, if the main purpose is [3505.5s] education, then you would think that they would want to make it as easily accessible as humanly"

They’re saying the best way to keep off-road areas open is to teach people how to do it safely and follow the rules. If training is easier to get, more people will do it the right way.

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OHV certification

"And if the main goal is education here, which I've heard cited as the main purpose behind [3499.6s] this OHV certification that's happening in California right now, if the main purpose is [3505.5s] education, then you would think that they would want to make it as easily accessible as humanly"

OHV certification is a kind of permission you get to drive off-road vehicles in approved places. It usually involves learning safety rules and how to operate responsibly so people don’t get hurt and the areas stay open.

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credit card

"And it's the same [3604.2s] in OHV and everything. So I endorse it. I just, I think it needs to be a simple way. I think it [3610.8s] needs to be accessible to all money. I mean, there might be a marginal fee just to cover"

They’re basically saying people can buy expensive off-road toys easily, like with a credit card, without learning how to use them safely. The risk is that they don’t know what they’re doing and someone can get hurt.

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wakeboarding boat

"and a lot of people can just [3591.1s] throw it on their credit card by a super expensive wakeboarding boat and not understand how to drive [3597.6s] it properly or what speeds you should be doing it at."

A wakeboarding boat is a boat used to pull someone on a wakeboard. Even if the boat is made for it, you still need to know how to drive it safely and at the right speed.

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digital app

"I think it [3610.8s] needs to be accessible to all money. I mean, there might be a marginal fee just to cover [3617.4s] some of the basic costs of like, you have to run a test and you have to pay for the paper, [3622.4s] you know, or whatever it is or the digital app, you know, website being made, but it shouldn't"

They’re talking about using a phone or website app to handle parts of the certification. The idea is to make it easier to complete so more people can do it.

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Polaris

"And that was one of the main things behind that New York Times article. The main story of it was Polaris finally. And this is something I've been touting for years."

Polaris makes off-road vehicles like ATVs and side-by-sides. Here, they’re being praised for putting money into a grant program to help maintain off-road areas.

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grant program

"Polaris just finally, after all these years, they finally stepped up and said they're going to put together $350,000 into a grant program. And I forget the organization that is kind of housing the grant program, but they're going to match it."

A grant program is like a pot of money that organizations can apply to in order to fund a specific project. Here, it’s meant to pay for maintaining off-road areas.

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litigation fights

"Is it signs put up at trailheads? Is it info signs? Is it litigation fights? Is it cleanups and adopt a trail work?"

“Litigation fights” means legal battles in court. In recreation areas, those lawsuits can affect whether places stay open to off-road vehicles or get closed.

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adopt a trail work

"Is it cleanups and adopt a trail work? What is it that you want to see at your area? And find an organization that's working on that, whatever your carrot is, and support the hell out of those organizations."

“Adopt-a-trail” is when volunteers choose a trail area and help maintain it. That can include things like cleanup days and simple upkeep to help the trail stay usable.

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OHV registered vehicle

"If every OHV registered vehicle in the state of Utah gave $5 then to blue ribbon coalition, blue ribbon coalition would outfund Suwa within a month and a half annually."

OHV means “off-highway vehicle,” like vehicles that are meant for trails and off-road areas. “Registered” means the state has them on record for legal off-road use.

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blue ribbon coalition

"If every OHV registered vehicle in the state of Utah gave $5 then to blue ribbon coalition, blue ribbon coalition would outfund Suwa within a month and a half annually."

Blue Ribbon Coalition is a group that advocates for keeping off-road recreation areas open. In this segment, it’s the organization the speaker is talking about funding.

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