It means you can buy suspension parts individually instead of being forced to buy a whole kit. That’s useful if you only need one bracket or one set of joints.
It’s a metal bracket that bolts to the truck’s frame. It gives the suspension a solid attachment point so the suspension can move correctly when you hit bumps and trails.
It’s a mounting bracket on the frame for the lower part of the suspension. It can include a bump stop, which helps prevent the suspension from hitting its hard limits when you go over rough stuff.
Johnny joints are special bearings used in off-road suspension links. They let the suspension move through big angles without getting stuck or binding.
In suspension hardware, “offsets” usually refer to parts that shift the mounting position of a link or joint to fine-tune geometry. That can affect things like how the suspension tracks, how it clears components, and how it behaves under articulation.
A link suspension kit is an upgrade that changes how the suspension is controlled using link arms. It’s meant to help the wheels move better on rough terrain.
The Rubicon Trail is a well-known off-road trail in California. People use it to test how capable a 4x4 is because it has challenging rocks and obstacles.
The Wrangler is an off-road SUV made by Jeep. It’s built to handle rough trails and is popular with people who like to modify and maintain their vehicles for off-roading. Many owners use it for challenging routes and camping trips.
These are different ways to set up the suspension so the axle stays in the right place when you hit bumps. The “link” layout changes how the truck handles on rough trails.
Coilover mounts are the strong brackets that hold the coilover shocks to the truck. If they’re not built right, the shocks can wear out faster or not work correctly off-road.
Coilovers are shocks with springs. “Custom tuned” means they’re adjusted to match the truck and how you drive it, so the ride and handling work better on trails.
In off-road suspension setups, “air pumps” typically supply and regulate air pressure for air-assisted or air-sprung components. That lets the suspension change ride height or behavior to better match trail conditions and load.
These parts strengthen the truck’s structure and give better mounting spots for suspension components. That can help the truck stay more stable and last longer when you drive it hard off-road.
The Toyota 4Runner is a rugged SUV designed for driving on rough roads. People use it for camping and off-roading because it has a strong build and room for gear. It’s also known for being kept for a long time.
A straight axle is a type of axle where both wheels are connected by one rigid beam. That can help the tires stay in contact with the ground when the trail gets bumpy or uneven.
Overlanding is basically traveling far away with your vehicle in a self-sufficient way, often camping along the route. The host is saying people used to do it without calling it that—just “car camping.”
A Jeep Cherokee is an SUV made by Jeep. Here, the speaker says theirs had lots of problems and broke down, which is why they ended up using a legal process to get money back.
Lemon law is a rule that helps car owners get their money back (or a replacement) if a new car keeps having major problems that the shop can’t fix. It’s meant to protect you from being stuck with a “bad” vehicle.
Car
Toyota pickup
A Toyota pickup is a Toyota truck. The speaker says their family switched to one after the Cherokee problems, and that set them up to get into off-roading with trucks.
Sierra National Forest is a big area of public land in California’s mountains. The speaker mentions it because it’s where people go off-roading on trails.
Jeep is a car brand that makes vehicles meant for off-road driving. The speaker is saying they got into off-roading because they always wanted a Jeep and now they’re using one for that hobby.
Car
Audi
Audi is a car brand. In this part of the conversation, it’s mentioned because the host’s son is really into cars and wrote about Audi and Volkswagen.
Car
Volkswagen
Volkswagen is a car company. The host says their son wrote a report about Volkswagen (and Audi), which shows he’s been into cars for a long time.
A manual transmission is a car where you choose the gears yourself. You use a clutch pedal and a stick shift instead of letting the car pick gears automatically.
Topic
Zuka con
“Zuka con” sounds like a themed off-road event for Suzuki Samurai fans. The speaker is inviting someone to come and participate.
The Suzuki Samurai is a small off-road 4x4 that’s popular for tough trails. Here, they’re talking about a bunch of them doing a rough rock-crawling route.
The Suzuki Jimny is a small 4x4 SUV. It’s designed to handle dirt roads and trails, and it’s easy to drive in tight spaces. People often talk about it because it can be a capable off-road vehicle even though it’s not very large.
In off-road context, a canyon-like, tight steep area raises the consequences of mistakes because there’s limited room to maneuver. The host is describing a high-risk spot where staying on the correct line matters for safety.
A battery switcher is a switch that controls whether the battery is connected to the Jeep’s electrical system. If it breaks, the Jeep can keep losing power while you’re driving.
It’s a camera mounted on the back of the vehicle that shows the area behind you on a screen. In this story, they’re also using it to record what’s happening.
The Ford Ranger is a pickup truck. People like it for off-roading because you can add parts to help it handle rough trails and carry gear. It’s also used for towing and camping trips.
“More flate” sounds like a company or product that helps off-roaders inflate tires. In this story, it’s connected to the air setup that fixes a compressor problem and gets tires back to the right pressure.
A compressor is a machine that makes pressurized air. Off-roaders use it to inflate tires (and sometimes run other air tools) so the tires grip better on different terrain.
“Aired back up” means you pumped the tires back to higher pressure after driving them softer on the trail. Softer tires can grip and ride better off-road, but you reinflate afterward.
The “four runner” is the Toyota 4Runner, an SUV that’s built for off-road trips. People like it because it can handle rough trails and there are lots of upgrades available.
“Adopt a trail” means a group of people agrees to look after a trail. They may clean it up or help keep it in good shape, which can help keep the trail open for everyone.
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Four wheel underground is making some big changes.
They really are. What's really cool about what they're doing right now is they're
kind of changing the way the business is set in the sense that you get to now buy things
all a cart.
Absolutely. So if you want the upper frame bracket, you can just buy that.
Yeah. If you want the lower link bracket, because it has the integrated bump stop and
it's super stout and it looks really good too. You can get just those before you would
have to buy the whole kit. Now you're going to be like, that's the bracket I want.
He's also brought joints in house.
So now you can buy those all a cart from cartridge joints, rebuildable Johnny joints,
hymes, offsets, all sorts of different ones.
Do you know what else he brought in house?
Aluminum links, that's pretty rad.
He found a way to source aluminum links so that there's no extra charge on the suspension kits.
They now all come standard with aluminum links.
I know I'm totally jealous.
And thanks to the all a cart system, you can also order aluminum links if that's all you want.
So if you want to move your Toyota from Lee Springs to a link suspension kit,
check out four wheel underground.
We want to check with you guys today about on X off road.
Definitely one of our favorite apps for off roading.
Yeah, what's better is not only their software, but they also are doing a lot to be a part
of the off roading community here in the country from the trail revival program,
which I actually got to be a part of and use to do some maintenance on the Rubicon Trail too.
They have an elite partnership.
So if you are an on X off road user, you can go to any of their 40 plus partners on there
and you get discounts with any of those partners.
So from bringing the people to the brands to the listeners to everybody involved,
it sounds like they really want to be a part of our community.
So let's be a part of theirs.
Go download on X off road from your favorite app store.
Welcome one. Welcome all to the snail trail for about four podcasts.
If you like going off roading in Toyotas, wrenching on Toyotas, camping in Toyotas,
maybe poking a little bit of fun at Toyotas.
And of course, hearing about links, well, John and Trail Hero X adventures,
then this is the podcast for you.
What up, everybody?
My name is Jimmy Jet.
And today we have a little rearranged schedule.
Our normal broadcast plan kind of got interrupted because we got interviewed
and well, we got invited and interviewed on another podcast.
And we thought, why not just share it?
Let's cross promoted.
It was a fun interview and I would highly suggest you checking out everything else
that John over at Linkswell has going on, but a little bit more about that
in the future because I've got a little bit of housekeeping to chop on
and give you guys some quick information.
This will be fast because I will want you guys to get over to this interview
because it was a lot of fun.
All right. So how is keeping first off monthly giveaway this month?
We are giving away an APL 20 freezer fridge from IceCo.
So big thank you to IceCo for donating a fridge for us to be giving away.
They had a wonderful interview or we all had a wonderful interview
with them just a few Mondays ago.
So go back, listen to the IceCo episode.
It seems super popular.
There's been a lot of comments on the discord and on just Instagram.
I've been getting tagged a lot with it.
So that was really cool, but it was a fantastic episode.
We learned a lot about the IceCo brand, where they came from,
what the kind of work they do, how and why they are a top tier fridge
freezer company, and we also got some small insights and some fun things to come.
So go check out that episode.
Go follow IceCo on everything that they have and go become a member
of this Nail Squad so that you have a chance to win an IceCo fridge.
To go get yourself eligible for this giveaway, you can now go over to
I rate four by four or you can join the discord and I'll sign up.
Options are there on both of those locations in regards to the discord.
Let's talk about tokens because we do have our tokens out in the wild.
I've handed off some to Tyler for this last week and he went up to Lassen.
So he's hiding some more tokens up in Lassen right now.
And I'm going to be going out this weekend as well.
And I'm going to be hiding some tokens myself too.
So a lot of tokens being hidden and a lot of stuff going on.
And if you want a chance to win a master mechanics tool set, then you need
to collect all 13 tokens that spells out snail trail four by four.
And then you can win a master mechanics tool set.
Unless somebody else has already won it and Trevor's getting pretty close,
but that does not mean he's going to be the winner.
Once we get rid of that master mechanics tool set to the lucky winner,
we'll find something else to be given away, whether it's some sort of
snail armor stuff or maybe it's a more flight stuff or who knows,
maybe we'll get some other companies involved as well.
So the discord is the only place that you can go to get those tokens,
the locations of those tokens and the sign up or the link to go to
the discord is in the show notes.
So go click on those.
We also have an on ex elite membership giveaway going on for reviews on Apple podcast.
I just looked, we're at 700 and 93
So there are a few more eligible signups over there.
So go leave yourself a review, get yourself eligible to win.
Because once we get to 800 reviews,
we are giving away an on ex elite membership.
When we get to 800 and fifty reviews,
we're doing that again, another on ex elite membership.
And when we get to 900 reviews,
we are giving away 900 dollars of more flight gear.
So go over to Apple podcast, leave yourself a review.
And with that, my friends, I think that is all the updates.
Hopefully I made that short and sweet.
Always go and check out that iceco fridge giveaway that's going on.
That's a big one for us.
It's probably the biggest giveaway we're going to be doing this year
on the snail trail four by four podcast.
So without further ado, I think that's how you say that.
Let's jump over to the interview that John did.
So John is the owner, founder, creator of links.
Well, links well is engineered industry leading technology solutions
to create safer, more fulfilling driving experiences.
And what that kind of comes down to is they make some bad ass
head units for your vehicles so that you don't have to worry about
what's going on and it pretty much connects to your phone,
Apple or Android.
And then you can control your car, control your radio,
control everything right there on the head unit.
And you don't have to be just a distracted driver.
And we talked a little bit about that in the podcast,
but mainly what's fun about this episode is that he's interviewing
Tyler and I and he's talking to Tyler and I about our Trail Hero X experience.
So I know we did a full length the episode on that as well,
but some fun things come out, some fun stories happen in here
and you kind of get another perspective of things
because we're getting asked different questions
than when Tyler and I were rambling along in a car.
So with that, my friends, let's go grab our favorite drinks.
I'm going to go get myself some whiskey
because it's a Friday afternoon for me right now.
And I am going to start relaxing after this.
So I'm going to grab myself a whiskey.
I hope you guys grab yourself something good.
And I hope you enjoy this interview with John from Lynxwell Technology.
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Well, welcome back guys.
We are still talking Trail Hero X mainly because it engulfs so much of my life.
And I made some amazing friends along the way.
And so apart from getting to talk to the manufacturers that got us on the show,
I get to talk to some of the teams and we have that today.
I get to introduce you guys to treat team snail trail four by four.
What's up, guys?
What's going on? Was that our name?
I think we had like four names that I actually was like, I was trying to like,
should I go back and forth? Should I be like, Team Morton?
Oh, wait, no, wait.
Originally, originally we signed up as more snail.
Yes. I remember you say, yeah, I watched your guys's drive cast cast drive drive
home cast. Yeah. Your podcast when you guys were driving.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
I was in I was actually in Seattle when you guys dropped it.
So I had like all this downtime in my hotel and I was like,
sweet. I'll listen to a three and a half hour long.
Great, man. I was like, these guys like broke down the whole show.
So you guys want to check that episode out because they walked through the whole
daggon show, but well, you tell everybody, you know, my, my, my faithful folks,
what you guys do, where you guys come from, what your team was all about, all the good stuff.
Well, you see many, many years ago, my mom and my dad loved each other
and they had some fun one night and that's where I came from.
So we're up in Northern California.
We, we love rock crawling where we're up here next to some of these iconic,
iconic rock crawling trails in the world, like the Rubicon Trail, Ford Ice, Barrett Lake.
We've got a doozy ursham, you know, a nice cool five hour jaunt south of us.
It's just a really awesome terrain up here. And it seems to be like this, like
this mecca of some really cool rock crawling off road companies up in the North Cal area.
And it's, I don't know if it's the scene quote unquote, as the kids would say,
or like just the vibe up here, what, but Jimmy and I were kind of like these two kindred spirits
that never found each other until a mutual friend was like, Oh my God, you like old school Toyotas?
You got to come meet my buddy over here. He loves old school Toyotas.
And once the mutual buddy introduced us, we kind of like pushed him out of the picture
and started our own bromance. So I love it. Yeah. We're pretty much attached to that hip every
time. No, that's that's epic. So you talk about old Toyotas. I remember because during the first
two days of the show was the actual like car show in the parking lot. And you guys came up
right next to us and your old forerunner and older forerunner. And you guys came over and you
like did the whole Jeep thing where you're parking on each other's tires and stuff. And I looked at
my son and I was like, now those guys, they know what they're doing. I don't know anything about
these guys. I could just tell you that forerunner should not have a straight axle underneath it.
And the fact that it does means that this thing is made to do some wild things. I said,
so that's going to be fun to watch. So yeah, cool. So kindred spirits, I would. So how
long have you guys been kindred spirits? Yeah, that was over seven years ago because we started
our podcast, the snail trail four by four podcast in May of 2019. And we were probably and then we
were on another podcast, the high Sierra four by four podcast for about six months prior to that.
And then there's probably a series of months before that. So we're like, yeah, eight or nine
years with each other. Very cool. So where do you, how did you guys, okay, so like,
I'm just going to keep asking you all the personal questions. That's fine. Bring it.
So what got each of you guys into the whole off-roading scene? Like, was it something like
you grew up in or? Yeah, I, well, I started when as soon as I could get my license, really.
My parents weren't really into off-roading, but we were way into camping. You know,
back in the day, there wasn't a thing called overlanding. It was just called car camping.
And we did a lot of car camping growing up because we didn't, we weren't, you know,
we weren't rich, but we weren't poor. And car camping was a good way to explore the world.
And so we did a lot of car camping. We actually had a Jeep Cherokee back in the day that we would
romp around in. And then as soon as I got my driver's license, I ended up being able to drive that
Jeep Cherokee. And then it broke down and had a lot of problems and did some Jeep things.
And my parents actually turned the Cherokee into the government for the lemon law and got their
money back on a bunch of stuff. And they ended up buying a Toyota pickup. And then I fell right
in line with some friends that were all in off-roading, all in, you know, going to do silly
things with their trucks and going camping and just relaxing and having a good time. So it was,
for me, it was like, as soon as I got my license, I was, I was out learning how to drive on dirt roads.
That's epic. Yeah, for me, I kind of grew up off-roading. My dad was really big into off-roading.
He was good buddies with a Marlin Czakowski founder and old owner of Marlin Crawler. So kind
of growing up in the Fresno area and getting to go and wheel all the Shaffer Lake trails, red
mountain, bald mountain, doozy, swamp, all the, everything up there. It's a really cool trail
system, the Clovis independent four wheelers and Sierra Forest, Sierra National Forest have kind
of put together for the OHV community up there. There was just really nice, quick, easy access
as a lot of the off-roading is here in California when you're, especially in North Cal, you just
zoo down up into the Sierra's and one to two hours, you have these iconic, beautiful areas.
And so I kind of grew up off-roading. And then as soon as I got my license, I was like,
all right, let's get a fun vehicle. And then I learned that fun vehicles are very expensive
to maintain. And I did not come to do that and had to kind of get out of it for a little bit.
And then once I finally got into a career and had adult money, that's when I got back into it.
And my love of the outdoors really stemmed from my grandfather. He was a Game Warden in Calusa
County and worked as a Game Warden in Yellowstone. And it was huge outdoor environment advocate.
So being able to hang out with him and grow up with him a lot and go out on these really cool
camping trips and hiking and backpacking trips with him, combined with the off-roading that I
got into from my dad. I love to be outdoors. I don't want to be stuck inside a house. I don't
want to be sitting on a couch. I got to be up and moving around doing something outside.
No, that's cool. California, I think North, South, and in the middle, there's just,
there's so many different variables in terrain. It's just pretty easy. It's like that down here
too. We've got Anza Borrega, and then we've got Big Bear Area, and all the stuff that goes back
through into Central Cali, all the stuff up there was at the 38 and all that stuff that shoots over
there. It's all over. It's really hard to not find. I mean, I'm super new to this. The only
reason I got into off-roading for it, so you're aware, is because our company started to build
things, and I need to market them. I was like, well, I should probably learn how to do this stuff.
Not that I was ever anti-anything. I think when I was in junior high, my dream was to
have a Jeep. I wanted an old CJ, right? That was what I wanted. Never got one.
Good. Good for you.
You know, I got one now.
We're sorry.
Yeah, what are you going to do? You love the behavior. It is what it is.
But yeah, so we ended up kind of in the, just in it because Wharton kind of brought me there,
and it's just been a ton of fun, man. The culture is super cool. You find,
it's like everything, right? You got the weirdos out there, the guys that are like
you know, Drix, but it was super cool like getting to do this with my son because he's 16,
right? So like, you know, we've been, I've been playing around with the Jeep for a couple years,
and so he was coming into his like, I'm going to get a car, right? Yeah.
And he's of my four kids, he's the one that's the car guy. The rest of them are like,
they're not not car people, but they're like, whatever. You know, I got my two daughters who
are like, whatever, my other son got into cars when he could drive, but was never like a car guy.
But this kid, like he was five years old and decided to write, you know,
history reports on Audi. I'm going to write the, I'm going to give you a history report of like
Audi and Volkswagen, like all these companies. So he's always just kind of been the car guy. So
as he got older, it was getting a little bit more fun. And so we actually were camping last summer
at the beach and with, with a family friend and my sons wanted a manual transmission. That's
what car it is. He just wants a manual transmission. My son is also very, it's funny. We have this,
we have this key term for him is intrusive thoughts. Intrusive thoughts guy. Something
pops up and he does something stupid. Like, you know, for example, we were at dinner one time
and it was just him and my other son, his older brother, and we were at a Mexican joint eating
chips and salsa or something. And I watched him, like he was sitting next to his brother and I
watched his eyes look down, see the lemon slice and then do this and then literally grab the
lemon slice. And as my son was opening his mouth for a chip, just felt it in his mouth, right?
Like I've got to watch this whole thing, watch this out. And then he starts laughing. He's like,
sorry, that was an intrusive thought. Like, right. So all that to say, my wife was like,
you're not getting a manual transmission son. They're the one child that will not get a manual
transmission. We're camping and we were like at San Helio, which is a big surfer beach.
We are not surfers, but our friends are surfers. So we camped at the beach because we like the
beach. And you know, my buddy taught my kids how to surf. So we were hanging out there. And so
there was a family with their in their tow vehicle was a little samurai. That was what their tow
vehicle was. And so my wife looks back and she goes, now I would let you have one of those if
it was an annual. And so my son looks at it and Gervie goes, what is that? I'm like, that's a samurai
son that I said is actually a pretty fun car to have. Like, you know, I don't know if you could
find one. And so that was it, man. He was Googling right there. Like we were in the campsite and
he's like trying to find one. So yeah, that's fun. So went though. So went the hunt and we ended up
driving into Vegas to pick one up. And so now that's what he's got. And so he the whole time we
were out on these trails was like, dad, can we bring the samurai back? And can we come back with
the samurai? Yeah, buddy, we'll come back with your samurai. He's got to get it running, dude.
You got to come up and do a Zuka con up here in the hotel on the Rubicon. There's a run that
a Ambers Lawson puts together because she's a big samurai advocate. She raced King of the Hammers
in the samurai for 345 years. Yeah. And so she puts on Zuka con that is
Zooks come up and it's just, it's 10 to 15 freaking samurais. It's Suzuki Samurais
going through this gnarly rock crawling trail. It's pretty hilarious to watch,
but they have an amazing time for that. I can imagine. I mean, it's a cool little car. Like
for a first car, you know, I'm super excited. And we've already got like James from carbon,
you know, they were one of the teams. And so he already, he sent him home with a winch. He was
like, Oh yeah. And so he's got a little carbon winch to put on it. And then like James is a
suit guy too. Did you know that? He's got his own. Yeah. So that's what he wheels out and out
there in Australia. Okay. Is it a Jimny? No, 88.
He's showing us pictures and he's talking through. So, so my son was super excited because now he's
got someone to ask, right? Yeah, I do. So, but yeah, so the whole off road thing's new for us.
And we're super just getting to enjoy it. And for us, um, like having you guys, you know,
being one of the teams that just kind of like, like there were moments where you guys took a
sun in your wing, like that last little bit of the hill, like I was looking at it and he's that
dad, I don't know how to get you down from this. And then, and then he's like, Oh crap, more, more
flights here, dad. Well, first off, we can move because I don't want to make them have to wait
for my slow butt. And then you guys are like, well, we'll show you, follow us. And you guys
went ahead of us and like help us call down that night. Again, like afterwards, it's like,
that really wasn't that big of a deal. Like it really wasn't that hard, but at the same time in
the moment, you know, we were super intimidating. I mean, that, that little spot we're on wasn't,
I mean, we're in the middle of this kind of tight, steep canyon. And I mean, if you made a wrong
move, it was not going to end well for the day. It was kind of a high risk little spot as done.
As long as you stayed on the line, you were perfectly golden. And yeah, you did a great.
And nobody likes off camber stuff. Yeah. And that was my son, like every time he would be like,
dad, I thought you were going to flip a couple of times out in it. You kind of feel it. But at the
same time, I know like, like, I wasn't going to almost flip dude, like you would, you would know
if I was almost going to flip. But it was that whole, like, you know, that learning experience.
But just having someone like you guys, like when you guys showed up, we were like, that thing can
do some stuff. Like these guys are the real deal. And for like rookies like us to have,
like that's that community that I was just talking about, you know, like the
everybody just wants. And I kept telling me, we had those conversations numerous times because
like elevated, explore elevated would fly by us, right? And then you would catch up to them. And
you know, there was just like this constant, everything going on. We had all these conversations
constantly about just like, everybody's kind of like, we were definitely the most green guys
there for sure. When it comes to that, I don't know. I feel like when I think you guys did great.
I think that what was make a whips. Make a whips.
He was a full sent dude. That guy full sent it every time. Yeah.
Yeah. No, not them. There was somebody else there that they were, we, because on that,
it wasn't the final day we're trying to get out of camp and we got like lost to getting out of
camp. Yeah. And we were, we were like, where, where the hell are we supposed to be going? Our
map is showing us to go over this way. And like everybody else is going 180 opposite direction.
Like they're coming in and passing us from the direction. We're like, well, we need to be going
back that way. And finally, I think we talked to you and somebody else. And you guys had the actual
map. Yeah. We had the cheater maps because we were novice. Yeah. And all hoes had,
was it all hoes? Yeah. I think it was the ones that were right in front of us.
But they had the map open on theirs. And they're like, we're not really sure where we're going.
We're not even sure if we have this thing oriented the right way. I was like, you guys are funny.
That dude was comedy. But that truck was one too. Yeah. He was, he was ton of fun men.
But it was just really nice to just see like, and we would talk about that all the time,
like everybody here just wants everybody else to enjoy it. Right. Yeah. You know,
like when I was, when we were doing the interviews and stuff with, with Richard Brandy and
like he was asking, I think he was asking like skill, skill level, like, hey, where do you think
you're at? And now on this end of things, I definitely could have been intermediate when
it came to where they chose it. Because my understanding was they were going to hand me a
paper map and coordinates. And I had to figure it out with a paper map. I was like, yeah,
I don't know if I can pull that off, man. I'm a tech guy. That's what we do. You know,
but had I known I'd been able to use on X, I could have, I could have put in the things,
no problem. I would have felt cooler. I think if I would have got to go up there and be like,
intermediate, please. And I was like, novice, novice, novice, I'll take the other paperwork
over there, please. Like one thing I got, I was shocked about the, the event was that
I thought we were going to be more spread out or we'd be way more separating. We would be
really relying on ourselves more, but it seemed like a lot of the times we were always in a group
or you're always with an, at least another person nearby, or you can see the dust, you know, just
up the head. Yeah, you know, and it's like we were on the expert level, but, and we plotted
some of the course and things, but most of the time we're like, oh, they're just over that way.
Let's just keep going that way. Yeah, we were doing the same thing because
a couple of times you would hit some spots and we, we had to turn around because the
the Cardo maps were not good because they were so like the line was so thick. Sometimes you
couldn't tell when like things split, which way you needed to go. So we did make a few,
few wrong turns. Wolf box or Wolf box team Wolf box saved us once because we almost went
like on the whole other side of the trail and I guess carbon ended up going that way and they
ended up like a water crossing and also had to come back. So we got saved there. But
yeah, I don't know. It was, it was great to see and being able to have like
playing that game sometimes, you know, where you're like someone pulled over because they were,
you know, doing a video or something and looking at something and you're passing this way. It was,
it was a blast, man. I loved it. We talked about how everybody just wants everybody to have a
good time and that was richest thing. Like I was like, look, I don't know how good I'm going to do.
I really, really don't. I said, and I'm also 45 and I think I'm 25. So there's a good chance I'm
going to try and do a 25 year old thing and look like a fool. And the thing was like, we're not
trying to make anyone look dumb. He's like, genuinely, we want a show that just gets people
excited and makes people want to go do it. And I was like, Oh, okay, well, I can get on board with
that. So that was kind of the speech we were given to. And so our plan going into the whole show
was we're going to sign up for the expert level. And we were told that the expert level,
you would receive a few handful of GPS coordinates, but it was really up to us to kind of build our
route for the day. And we're like, that's rad. We'll go and build our route so that we can like
take a one hour detour over here and go check out this cool thing. And then like as we're coming
back, go take a two hour detour over this way and check this out. This really cool thing that
nobody else on the show is ever going to get to see because they're following these routes.
We tried that for the first two days and gotten in trouble. We're like, we're wasting way too
much time here. We need to dial back on this. We talked about that like Rich is a madman to get
those trains on those trails. Like, I was like, there's no way I could pull like, I mean, I had
to add like three or four hours to his time. And it was just, I was like, there's no way. Like,
I can't stop for anything. Like I can't shoot. I can't even like, go to the bathroom,
man. We just got to go. Yeah. Right. Well, you're race catheters that week.
It was a ton of fun though. But now looking back, what would you say was like your favorite part
of the week? Oh man. That's a good one. I have two that stand out really as major high points for me.
A, the Grand Canyon. So driving up to the camp spot at the Grand Canyon was phenomenal. I've
never been to the Grand Canyon before. It's always been on my bucket list to go and see the
Grand Canyon. So getting to do that on this trip was awesome. But getting, we pulled up kind of
like right at the end of dusk as it's like the sun is setting and we're, it's starting to get dark now
and kind of walking. One of the things you don't realize coming in on that trail, you're literally
like 10 feet driving right there. So we kind of, we stopped and parked wall because we wanted to
put the drone up in the air and catch some footage coming down this trail along this peninsula.
And I walked 15 feet off trail and I'm like, I'm looking down a 2000 foot wall right now.
This is wild. Yeah. It came out of nowhere, right? Like that was our experience. Like I was just
driving and I looked over and all of a sudden I was like, holy crap, that's, that's the Grand Canyon.
It's like right there. Like when we get here, it was super crazy. So yeah, I'm with you on that one.
That one was wild. Yeah. So driving in at night time was kind of one experience because
it's just past the trees. It's just as dark now, right? And you can't really see the
canyons, but you know it's there. It's just giant void, right? And then going out the next morning
where you could actually drive out and see the canyon that 10 feet away was both of those are
really awesome. And then going to go and play and rip around in the dunes at Sand Hollow was another
one of our little play spots that we broke a vehicle in and created some trauma for the
production team for the week. Let's just put it this way. We didn't break a vehicle.
That's true. We did.
Our chase team, our media guys did.
Our chase team, broke a vehicle.
Yeah. I remember I was, we, because we got, like that Sand Hollow day was a, it was a,
it was a weird day for everybody.
It was, yeah.
Yeah. It was, it was a, it was a weird day and it's weird because it was the second day,
right? And it was supposed to be the early day and all that stuff. But yeah, that was,
that was a lot of fun there. I learned there too, because we, we were supposed to go in with
super springs and explore elevated. We were going to, the goal was to hit everybody's spot
and head our way out, right? Okay.
But the Jeep broke down, like my, my battery switcher broke. So I kept losing power. So by
the time I got going, I kept telling them, I said, just leave me guys, like, you know,
just go like, wait for me. Like, no, no, no, we'll wait for you. We'll
So by the time we got in there, we were like, okay, we should all probably split up.
And so we, we kind of did our own thing, but we were all supposed to hit Walmart the afterwards,
because they were telling us how cold the next camp was going to be. And so that's right.
So like, we like found our way through, but we're going and we're ripping through there.
And then we stopped at the top of a dune and we were going to split up and then I couldn't get
going again. And I was like, what the heck man? Like it just kept stalling, right?
And then, um, Nino was like, dude, are you in for low? I'm like, no, am I supposed to?
He's like, yeah, I was like, oh, my bad.
Okay, we're good. It's all working.
And there we went. So anyways, yeah, that was super cool. Sanhalla was super dope.
Yeah, that was a good spot. I would say mine pretty much, I have kind of 21 sort of,
yeah, everybody had this experience, but it was just getting to know everybody and the groups
that we were with the people that were there, you know, the friendships that we've made, you know,
like with you, John and some of the other members of and the other teams and stuff. It was,
that was a lot of fun. That was probably, I don't know if that was more fun than the adventure,
but it was, you know, right up there with it. But, um, I don't know when this episode's getting
air. So I'm going to keep this one sort of vague, but the, in the last challenge when Tyler's like,
Jimmy's on this one thing and everybody in the group, and you were on, you were there, right?
Everybody's like, why? And he's like, cause he's really good at doing X, whatever that,
that specific thing for that challenge. And everybody's like, yeah, okay. And then you ended
up being my partner for that challenge. And you and I walked over to it and we talked about it.
And we were like, dude, we got it. And we crushed it in the challenge. So that was,
that one was definitely by far. I mean, and, and you corrected me a few times when we were,
when we were doing the work. So, yeah, I think it was a great team. We, we, we, we, I really feel
like, like we bonded man. That was the moment, right? Yeah. It was a, it was a super good one.
That and watching your son run. Oh my God. Yeah, that was, that was great. I was good. I was all
ready. I was like, as soon as this thing pops up, we all kind of knew what it was, what was going
to happen. We got to run. I, I, I got two steps away and I turned around. He's
like 50 feet away. All right. I was like, what the hell, when did that happen? Remember those
intrusive thoughts? Regardless of what it was going to happen to him. It was good there. So,
yeah, super fun. Yeah, cool. Very cool. Well, okay. So you're back to life now. Right. Normal.
And then those are your favorite things. So anybody who's watching, who's considering watching
the episodes, what is like the one thing that you think like you can be vague if it has to be vague
that they don't want to miss about the show? For, in regards to us or in regards to the show?
Just in general. Like if there was, like if you guys got to experience something and you're like,
man, I really hope this ends up in the show or, you know, like whatever you think is like the
thing that like, I know how it ends up on screen. Do you? I know mine is. I just want to mine it.
I'll go first because you're like so confident over here. Mine really is, I just want to, and
this is in pertaining to Tyler and I, ours is like, we didn't go into this to try and win. We
didn't go into it to try to be the best. We didn't go into it to try to be arrogant or, you know,
showboaty or anything. Our goal was to have fun. And that's the one thing I hope that when
somebody's watching, they're going like, okay, that team snail trail people, they're having fun.
They're just there to have a good time. And, and I think we, I mean, we had a good time and I think
everybody else kind of around us was having a good time as well. And, and that's, that was our
goal. And I think we won on that ass. Nice. Yeah. I would agree. I think mine kind of stems from
that because we were just out there having fun, right? There was one of the days because we had
a broken vehicle with our media guys, we kind of had to skip the next day sort of like, because
we're building on route, we can just be like, well, we're just not going to do the route today.
And we'll, because we got to deal with this broken vehicle and figuring out how to get our media guys
and Jimmy back here. And so we kind of skipped the whole day and figured out how to deal with
everything. And then we just went straight to Kaiways straight to the next camp. And we got there
really, really early in the day, like much earlier than I thought we were going to. And there was
we just stopped and we're like, look at this swing set. Let's go swinging. We got like two hours.
We use the rear view camera on the wolf box and recorded us swinging.
Yeah. That's like a therapeutic thing, man. Swinging. So it was awesome. It was a good
little relaxing moment after the stress of logistics that we had to deal with. Yeah.
And so we were swinging and I was like, I'm going to jump. I'm going to, I'm going to jump off the
swing mid swing, you know, you get up to the top of the apex and jump off.
He still thinks he's 24. Exactly. That's what it was. I was just thinking that I'm like,
that's a twisted ankle. So I did it. And then Jimmy goes, all right, I'm going to do one too.
And he goes up and instead of jumping off, he does a backflip off of the swing.
And we got it all on the wolf box rear view, the 4k camera. And I was like, I really hope
production puts this in. If that doesn't make it, then that's got to be something you guys
put out there. Cause yeah, yeah. So that was the first thing. The second thing was on that same
day that we were, are we allowed to talk about the location that we talked about location
at the three peaks. That was that day when we camped up at the We Rocks area, three peaks.
Jimmy and I completely made up a story about why the three peaks were there and what was the lore
behind it. And we're just driving, we're there 323 hours early from when we were
supposed to be there. So we just moseyed around the area in four low, like super slow pace, just
relaxing and made up this entire story kind of on the spot. Like someone made a snide comment
about three peaks. So why is it named that? And the other one was like, well, there's three sisters
from down in Cedar city. And, and then it just completely built off of that. And it's, it's a
hilarious story that we, we recorded it all kind of an accident to start with. And then we decided
to just go with it. I really hope production throws that in there. If not around everybody.
So yes, yeah, I want to, I want to hear the story for sure. It's a good one. Yeah, that's
super cool. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah. I think for me, it was really the, the, the relationships. I
think that's what I hope. I hope we, we come across like just the realness. Like we definitely
didn't go in there to win. Like we knew we weren't going to win. You know, like there was just,
there wasn't, and it wasn't even like, I wasn't, my son's very competitive. Like
doesn't like to lose, you know, that's not his forte. And I don't necessarily like to lose either,
but I think we didn't go in there with this like, we're taking home the trophy idea was more of
like, man, we're just going to, we really wanted to milk the experience for everything with the
friendships and the fits and stuff. So, so yeah, it was really, really fun, man. I, it was a weird
feeling going, leaving, right? Like that was just like, man, we just spent like, and it's weird
because it was only five days. Like it was five days, but only five days. Like it's that weird
feeling. Like it felt like it was a really long time. Like, but then at the same time, it was
only five days, you know, type of thing. It's like, I had a weird feeling. And then yeah,
we were driving out on a Saturday afternoon after the closing thingy. And it was just like,
this is so weird. Like we're on the freeway. We're not going to see these folks again. It's not
like, you know, we're not like going to run into one of them in like an hour and a half.
You know, we're not trying to plot our next, you know, when are we going to get water? Like it
was just, it was a weird drive home, man. Like it was just kind of, I was looking at my boy and
he's like, of course, falling asleep, you know, in the passenger seat. But yeah, it was weird to
kind of transition back kind of into the, to the normal moving grooving stuff. So
yeah, I think we stayed at the, we stayed that night at the casino. And so we left on Sunday.
And it was, it was actually really nice to have that extra few hours after the ceremony,
after everything, you know, and just sort of relax and just decompress almost a little bit.
Even though the next day, I mean, you know, from Mesquite, Nevada to back to our, you know,
Sacramento, our Sacramento homes is a 12 hour drive. You know, we still, you know, like we had
to hit the, we had to wake up early. We had to hit the road. And it was Mother's Day, I believe.
And so we had to get back to our wives. Yeah, exactly. And so I don't think it was until really
Monday that I was like, what the hell did I just do? It felt like a fever dream, right?
Kind of. Like it was just like, wait a minute, I'm not supposed to be comfortable right now.
I'm supposed to be dirty. What is going on? Yeah. Yeah, super weird. It was a ton of fun,
though. And like, I'm looking forward to seeing, like, I'm sure you guys are going to end up at
the Trahero show in September, October, whatever. So getting to see everybody. I'm super bummed
because it was overland expo, like the weekend after. Yes. Like, so many folks were there.
And we, I was actually driving up to Seattle for a different show. So like everybody's all,
Hey, are you coming? I'm like, no, no. Yeah, we didn't, we actually didn't go to that either.
But the media crew did. Yeah. Yeah. I saw them and James was walking around interviewing
everybody. I was like, dang, like everybody's there, like Seattle.
I know you drove right past us. You didn't even say how. And I'll tell you the,
that show was awful. Like, you know, those shows you go to, like this, this was not worth any of
what we did, right? Like we had to tow a trailer. So we're doing, you know, 65 the whole way,
55 the whole way. And so we're, and we're like, so Cal, so Cal, right? So we're, we're an hour
and a half, two hours south of LLA. Okay. We got to, man, where did we get to go to Seattle?
Yeah, we started at Red Bluff for the first night. Yeah. And then drove into Seattle.
And then the show was so bad. It was, it was like the worst show ever, man. Like I think we
had 12 people, right? Like it was like, we started pulling our stuff out of the booth and
bringing it to our trailer two hours early. Cause I was like, there's no way I'm getting on the road.
So we ended up like getting into Ashland, Oregon, just above the border. And then
we one shot at it from Ashland home. Wow. So yeah, I think that was like 16 hours.
It took us to get from Ashland. So yeah, you did, you messaged like, hey, stop it. I was like,
oh man. And by the time we got there, I was like, I get it. It's like, I was like,
chewing like sunflower seeds to stay awake. Rakes is like,
trying to tell this stupid trailer. I get it. It's a, it's an easy Sacramento.
It was an easy place to pass through. It's not, it's the center of kind of the state in a way,
but it's also like, you're, by that point, you're like, I'm just going to get home.
Yeah. I'm fully, I'm fully fall in it. And again, like I'm, I'm barely,
because we like me, we got home what, you know, late Saturday night and then that
Thursday morning or whatever I was driving up, you know, so like I'd had like,
you know, not even a couple of days worth it. And we're like moved or building like two weeks
before we went to the TV show. And so the only part of my office that's actually together is this
wall, the wall behind you. It looks fantastic. Everything on the floor that you can't see,
it's piled behind me. It's piled in front of me. So you don't need to have a home working in here
yet. So that's how it works. So man, I do, I really appreciate you guys coming on here. I don't
know if there's any last bits of the show you'd love to share or, you know, pitch, you know, what,
so is snail trail just a group? What is snail trail four by four? Like, are you, do you do
something? What do you, what is your thing? Yeah. So snail trail four by four
started as a YouTube channel. I was bored at my day job doing graphic design and I needed a
creative out like output. And so I started a YouTube channel called snail trail four by four.
And I was mainly working on Toyota pickups and showing people how to build things to go off
roading so they can enjoy the time outdoors. And that was the gist of it. Then we got introduced
to Tyler. I got introduced to Tyler and I was trying to expand snail trail four by four. So
then we joined the high Sierra four by four podcast. They pretty much stopped doing things and we
were the podcast and we're like, Hey, we're not, we came here to help you guys continue. We're not
here to like take over. And so we were like, Hey, well, why don't we start our own podcast?
And we did. And we just like in May, we rolled over seven years of the podcast.
And in that time, Tyler started more flate. I started a company called snail armor. And
I stopped doing the YouTube channel because podcasting is so much more fun and way easier
than YouTube. And so snail trail four by four really today is just the podcast that is
yeah, an advertising platform for off roading people and companies and ways that we can,
Tyler and I get to hang out and talk about what we've been up to and publish it to everybody.
Yeah. Love it. So, but in the meantime, you know, like I said, we've both started our own companies
and we were sponsored by more flight and we were in the more flight vehicle, even though our name
was snail trail four by four. So it was messing everybody up. So why don't you tell us a little
bit about more flight? Yeah, I'm six foot four. I think is the main genesis from this.
And I can't squat at tires. I just to air down and air up tires. I'd squat down at a tire and my
knees don't work to get me back up. Right. And so it was 2014 or 15 when I was like, there's
got to be a better way to do this than an easy deflated that pulls valve cores out or pulling
the valve core out yourself and having to shoot into a snow bank or using your key or a stick
to depress the valve stem. Whatever it was, I was like, there's just these ways all suck. So
I found some DIY designs on the internet and I was like, they're using pretty crappy parts
for all this stuff. There's parts that will poke you, stick you, cut you the hoses deteriorate
over time and fall apart or they freeze and get stiff when they're frozen and cold.
The air trucks, I've always been amazed at how terrible air trucks are in this world.
And so I was like, there's got to be better ways to do all this. And so I've messed around with
different parts and trying off the shelf parts and eventually created all my own parts
for it all. And I was around 2019, 2018, I think is when I kind of had the final design
finally all figured out and people were like the buddies and friends were, hey,
can I get one of those? Like sure, just pay for the parts. I'll make one for you, whatever. And
at about that time, I was also like early kind of in my career in a big boy job,
making big boy money. And I was like, but I need to be spending it on life, important stuff. So I
was like, I need an extra 500 bucks a month to pay for my off road vehicle that I keep breaking
when I go out playing. And I was like, maybe Morphite can do this or this hose thing can do
this and made a name for it. I was doing a teaching off-roading radio classes to people
installing radios, unlocking radios. And that came under the brand of my off-road radio, M-O-R-R.
And so this hose idea, I was just like, I don't know if this is going to go anywhere. I'm just
going to throw it under the radio company, do it on the side kind of thing, because I just needed
a channel for collecting sales, right? A sales channel. And that was in 2019 when I officially
launched it under my off-road radio as the Morphite. And then in 2020, the world shut down
for COVID and kind of everything exploded. And a ton of people started ordering this thing out
of nowhere. And I was like, holy shit, this is doing way more than I was ever anticipating.
Maybe I can quit my day job and try and push towards doing this. And eventually I was able
to do that in August 2021, which was very much overdue. My wife didn't want me to quit my day job
and do this Morphite thing. And so got it all off the ground and did it and have been doing
some really cool things and finding ways to implement technology from the radio side of me
into something that's been so nerdy side of me and into something that's been so archaically done
forever, which is tire inflation. So got into automated air systems now and we have some
really cool stuff coming out a little bit later this year. So yeah, you were sharing a little
bit of that stuff with me when I was asking you about the, like how well the compressors will
hold up. So yeah, man, that's crazy. COVID was a wild time, wasn't it? Yeah, for sure. Like COVID
for us too was when we probably, I think even still for us as a company, COVID year, I think is
still the highest or one of the highest years we've had in sales. Like it was just crazy.
People were like, we're not going to sit in the house. Like we have to do something. Like
people just, they couldn't do it, man. They tried to lock people up and they were like,
nope, we're not going outside. And it really exploded. I think the overland off road like
market exploded through COVID because there was just the guys like you, like the guy that's like,
there's got to be a better way to do this. And people were just starting to make stuff. And then
you had so many people looking for, right? Like a guy like me who's got no idea what he's doing,
right? Like I have no idea what I'm doing. And having a tool there that's readily available
to make what I was trying to do better, you know, like there's just that momentum just like was going.
And I think those, those two years that like 2020 to 2022, like those two years have just really
like vamped up all of that stuff. So I can, I can vouch for the more flat stuff. Like we've got it
crazy about the name. Like I actually, I wondered because even how you spell it,
like your more is all caps and then I'm flayed isn't always a wonder like, I wonder what the,
because there's always a reason, right? Like everybody names something for a reason.
And so I was like, I wonder what the name is. Cause you know, I was like, you know,
more flay. And then I realized there was two Rs. And I was like, okay, well that's purposeful, right?
That's definitely something I'm going on there. Yeah. So there you go. There's the origin story.
Yeah, we actually, it's funny because there's mats off road recovery, right?
And so he labels a lot of stuff as M O R R on all of this thing. So we get die hard,
Matt fans that pick fights with us, like all honestly try and fight our guys out at events
because we're stealing Matt's name. And I was like, no, no, no, we had my off road radio in 2017.
Matt did not start his YouTube channel, I think in 18 until 18 or 19.
So we were technically using the M R R first, but yeah, it's just,
it's funny to me how much people look into that and they're like, you're stealing Matt's name.
What are you doing? I'm like, that are they? Hoses that are neon yellow, right?
But it's all green, green, green, green. Yeah. So, you know, I love the, the stuff.
I've had the more flates. I've got a kit and my son in law has got a kit in his ranger.
And it was funny. We did some trying to start the vlogging video series. I think I might have
talked to you guys a little bit about at the show where we just like kind of go out with guys like
you guys that, you know, let's be somewhere and let's go have an adventure. And so we did that
with, I tried to get like four or five of our influencer guys that are local together and three
of them, one of them has father in law passed away and two of them were like, oh, dude, I thought
that was next week. So, but my son in law was down and so he was there. I was there and then
Adam, one of our influencers were there. And so like we're at the edge of the trailhead and
everybody's got more flate. Like as it should be. I actually think Adam might have posted
because his, his compressor, you guys just took care of him on his compressor. It was rough, man.
Like when we aired back up at the end of it, it was, it was loud. And he was like, yeah,
I got to get a hold of those guys. And, and then I think like a week or two later, he posted,
he's like, check it out guys, more flate for the win, man. They sent me a new one, no charge.
He goes, guys are the best. And I was like, Hey, I know those guys.
I love the little moments like that. And it always kind of like, I don't know, I'm not here
for fame or glory. I'm just here to kind of build some cool stuff and have fun in a really
rad industry. But little stories like that and seeing people impacted like that is,
is what kind of, it's hard for me to wrap my head around sometimes as to, as to kind of this
monster that I've created. I had one of those moments, Memorial Day weekend out on the Rubicon.
I was parked out on the slabs and Rubicon Springs with Fiona, the big neon green four
runner we had out of trailer X. And this guy walks up to me, a super Australian dude.
Not quite as Australian as James, but no, he's a funny dude. He just walks up. He goes,
Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that that is this an actual more flayed vehicle. I was like,
Yeah, yeah, it is. I'm the owner. And he goes, Oh, cool. When did you come over from Australia?
And I was like, I'm sorry. No, no, we're local here to Sacramento area. And he goes,
you guys are in the United States. I was like, Yeah. And he goes,
I have your gear in Western Australia back at home. And I was like,
really? What do you, and so he goes, Yeah, I always thought you guys were an Australian company.
It's like meeting this dude from halfway across the world over more flayed and talking with them
about his experience back in Western Australia with the gear and how that translates to him
having more fun on the trails and everything too. It was just, it's one of those things that I'm
just like, that's really cool. That's that's the stuff that I'm here for. So yeah, yeah, 100%.
Yeah, that's super cool. Yeah, that's funny. I honestly, I thought you guys were Australian too.
I learned before we ran into each other at the show, but I don't know why I would have
connected those two. I don't know. I think Australia has this as a very long standing
of creating really good gear for off-roaders. And they have this, there's an Australian standard
for off-roading overlanding equipment because not only is it just recreation for them, it's a lot
of their way of life. It's how they get around Australia sometimes in some places, right? So
their gear has to be high quality, well built. They have to be dependent on it. So I feel like
a lot of times when we see stuff pop up in the States that follows that mantra,
it's kind of like, no, Australians definitely did that one.
It's like that whole German engineering for sports cars. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you think of the
Germans when you think of the, you know, the luxury sports car of the Germans, you don't think of,
you know, Cadillac or whatever. So yeah, absolutely. Right. Because it is, it's a lifestyle for them.
Like that's, some of it's not even recreational, right? It's just, I got to get home. Exactly.
Yeah. Yeah, you know, and Tyler's bashful about this, but one of the really great things about
Moor Flate is that they give a portion of sales and everything back to the off-road community.
Is it an actual percentage or is it you just? It's not a percentage. We do it through community
giveaways, raffles a lot of times and direct memberships with the organizations, donating
product to the organizations for them to raffle off. But one of the things that I've,
I came across very early on in my off-roading career is that we're losing a lot of trails.
And our trails are always being attacked and they're always trying to be shut down.
And so I was like, okay, so what are things we can do about it? We can do like adopt a trail
stuff, trail maintenance projects. We can build signs, help educate. And then a couple of organizations
started popping up that did like full on heavy duty lobbying and litigation. And my wife at the
time was working in anti tobacco legislation. And I learned through her work that the quickest and most
efficient way to make lasting change is to implement it through law. And so I started
looking into this idea of implementing law stuff, litigation stuff for OHV access
and found a company called Blue Ribbon Coalition, who I'm sure a lot of people have heard of out
there and others out there that litigate and lobby for litigation. But once I started real
seeing the things that they were working on and seeing the impact that they were having
by working through litigation and how many trail systems that one piece of litigation impacts
rather than having to run thousands of adopt a trail work parties to impact these trail systems.
I was like, we just need more money. We need more money into
stuff that we can buy lawyers and pay lawyers to fight these litigations for us and impact law
and impact a change on a large scale. And so once I kind of realized that I was like, I want
this company more flights to not only just create cool stuff, but I want to see the profits from it
funneled back into our trails and OHV access countrywide.
That's wild. I didn't know you guys attached to more flight until literally the TV show, right? And
getting to connect you. And I think even just in the month or so since that, you've done a few things
like on the trail cleanup and all of the fighting works you to protect all that stuff. So that's,
I mean, if you're looking for a reason to support a company like, I mean, those are like,
you can't be a bashful man. Like sell them Jimmy, sell it to everybody.
I would be in the same shoe. I don't think I would ever want to talk about the things that I'm
doing, right? Because you're not doing it for that, right? Unless you're there to lobby for
something, the chances of you talking about the fact that you're lobbying for something's probably,
it just feels like it feels weird, right? It does. It doesn't. So good on you, Jimmy. Thanks for
sharing everybody. You like off-roading more. Flate is a brand that is not just making cool
stuff, but is actually out there making sure that you can go use the cool stuff. Yeah, continue to
use it. Yeah. Yeah, that's super. That's really cool, man. I've loved watching a little bit of
the stuff that you've posted. Like you were out cutting trees down the other day. Yeah.
That's hard. You guys got to check their podcast because they tell a story about almost losing
their chainsaw. Yeah, yeah.
Vernon, when I ran it over, I went through his windshield.
There was a couple of those rows were rough. There was a washboard.
Anyway, thank you guys so much for joining, man. I'm looking forward to hanging out again.
I think it'd be cool if we could find a way to do like a watch party with
some of the guys and the TV shows come out or something, but
definitely looking forward to seeing you guys at Trail Hero and maybe some of the other shows we
go to. But there you go, guys. Make sure you check out Snail Trail 4x4. Jimmy, he actually posted,
he's got some wild thing he's building on an old Toyota truck. Super excited to see that stuff.
Fiona is a beast. Wildly intimidating when you look even just in the cab and all the shifters.
Like, I don't know. I was telling somebody just here. I was like, I don't even know, man. I just
know there was like four or five. It felt like a forklift. Like I'm
trying to get in there and be like, uh, yeah. I just labeled them though. So I did. I saw that.
Super cool. I was like, I can drive it now.
Super cool. Check out more play. If you need any of that stuff, I'm super excited to see what
drops here really soon for the, uh, your new gear. Cause all the gear we've got, I've loved the gear.
We've, we've used it a bunch of times and good stuff, but I thank you guys for coming on.
Thank you everybody for watching. Make sure you hit subscribe, go check out more play,
check out Snail Trail 4x4 as well. And we'll be back here next week. I believe with another guest
from show hero X, but that's it for us. Thanks for all together podcast. Thanks for watching.
So the other day I replaced all my headlights with strobe lights.
Now it looks like I'm the only one moving.
About this episode
Hosts and guests connect off-road parts, tech, and trail culture—from Four Wheel Underground’s shift to buying suspension components “all a cart” to Linkswell’s in-vehicle head units and cross-podcast interviews. The conversation also covers navigation realities (paper maps, “cheater maps,” and Cardo map issues), rock-crawling stories, and tire inflation/air-down innovation. Community support threads through trail protection, OHV access advocacy, and giveaways (IceCo APL 20 fridge) plus SnailTrail4x4 review and token challenges.
Linkswell Jon interviews the SnailBoys for their Linkswell Together Podcast. Jon was on TrailHeroX with Tyler and Jimmy, and they became quick friends from the moment they parked next to each other. Jon was admiring Fiona, and the SnailBoys were checking out Jon’s Jeep Wrangler Overlander Build and his fancy electronics. Jon asked the SnailBoys some fun questions about their TrailHeroX experience. You can also watch the interview on the linkswell YouTube.
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