978: Buttons Are So Good, Why Can’t We Have Pretty Things, Afraid Of The Viggens
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Concept
Formula Ford
Formula Ford is a type of racing series where drivers race small, open cars. It's often the first step for drivers who want to become professional racers.
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Formula 2
Formula 2 is a type of car racing that is one level below Formula 1. It's where many drivers go to gain experience before trying to race in Formula 1.
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Formula 1
Formula 1 is a top-level car racing sport where teams compete in fast cars on special tracks. It's famous for its exciting races and skilled drivers.
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front wing
The front wing is a part of a race car that helps it stick to the track by pushing it down as it goes fast. It's located at the front of the car and is important for how the car handles turns.
Concept
restoring
Restoring a car means fixing it up to make it look and work like it did when it was new. This can include repairing parts, painting, and making sure everything runs well.
Concept
restomod
Restomod is when you take an old car, fix it up, and add new parts to make it better. It's like giving a classic car a modern upgrade while keeping its original look.
Car
Mini Cooper
The Mini Cooper is a small, stylish car that's fun to drive. It's popular for city driving because it's easy to park and has a unique look that many people love.
Car
Mazda Miata
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small, two-seater sports car that's really fun to drive. It's light and has great handling, making it popular among car lovers.
Car
BMW Z4
Car
BMW Z3
The BMW Z3 is a small, sporty car that looks cool and is fun to drive. It was made in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
Car
Alfa Romeo Spider
The Alfa Romeo Spider is a classic convertible sports car from Italy that was made for many years. It's loved for its beautiful design and fun driving experience.
Car
Toyota Supra
The Toyota Supra is a fast sports car that many people love to drive. It's known for being powerful and fun to modify.
Term
manual transmission
A manual transmission is when you have to change gears yourself while driving, using a stick and a pedal. It's different from automatic cars that do this for you.
Term
six-speed transmission
A six-speed transmission is a system in a car that helps it change gears. Having six gears means the car can go faster and use fuel more efficiently.
Concept
Exotics
Exotics are fancy sports cars that are very fast and expensive. They are made by brands like Ferrari and Lamborghini, and people often admire them for their looks and performance.
Car
BMW M2
The BMW M2 is a small, fast car that is built for fun driving. It's known for its powerful engine and great handling on the road.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful a car's engine is. The higher the horsepower, the faster and more powerful the car can be.
Term
all-wheel drive
All-wheel drive means that all four wheels of the car get power from the engine, which helps the car grip the road better, especially in rain or snow.
Term
automatic transmission
An automatic transmission is a type of car system that shifts gears for you, so you don't have to do it yourself while driving.
Car
BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe
The BMW 2 Series Gran Coupe is a small luxury car with four doors, designed to be sporty and comfortable to drive.
Term
first gen
'First gen' means the first version of a car model. It's the original design before any changes or improvements were made in later versions.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that many people love because it's fast and looks great. It's been around for a long time and is known for being fun to drive.
Car
Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is a high-end SUV made by Porsche. It's known for being fast and luxurious, making it popular among those who want a sporty vehicle that can also carry more passengers and cargo.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Chevrolet Corvette is a well-known sports car from America that many people admire for its speed and unique design. It's been around for a long time and is often seen as a symbol of American muscle cars.
Car
Lotus Elise
The Lotus Elise is a small, very light sports car that is really fun to drive. It's designed to be fast and handle well, but it doesn't have a lot of extra comfort features.
Car
Lamborghini Gallardo
The Lamborghini Gallardo is a fast and flashy sports car made by Lamborghini. It has a powerful engine and is known for its unique look, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
Car
Toyota Tundra
The Toyota Tundra is a large truck that can carry heavy loads and is often used for towing or off-roading.
Term
Chevy LS engine
The Chevy LS engine is a type of V8 engine made by Chevrolet. It's known for being powerful and is often used in different cars because it's easy to fit and upgrade.
Term
motor
A 'motor' is basically the engine of a car. It's what makes the car move by turning fuel into power.
Term
brakes
Brakes are what help a car slow down or stop. They work by pressing against the wheels to create friction.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a classic American car that's known for being fast and stylish. It's been around for many years and is loved by car fans for its powerful engines.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
Car
Tesla Model 3
The Tesla Model 3 is a modern electric car that runs on batteries instead of gas. It's known for being efficient and having cool tech features like autopilot.
Car
Tesla Model
Car
Honda S2000
The Honda S2000 is a small sports car with two seats that is really fun to drive. It's known for its powerful engine and great handling on the road.
Car
Pontiac Solstice
The Pontiac Solstice is a small, fun-to-drive convertible car that was made in the mid-2000s. It's known for its sporty look and is often seen as a good deal.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a super-fast version of the 911 sports car, built for people who love racing. It's lighter and more powerful, making it a favorite among car fans.
Car
Porsche Cayman
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car that is designed to be fun to drive and easy to handle. It's a bit more practical than some other sports cars, making it a good choice for everyday use.
Car
Nissan 300 ZX
The Nissan 300 ZX is a sporty car from the late '80s and '90s that many people love for its cool looks and performance. It's considered a classic now.
Car
Ford Explorer
The Ford Explorer is a family-friendly SUV that has lots of space for passengers and cargo. It's a good option for people who need a reliable vehicle for everyday use.
Car
Volkswagen Id Buzz
The Volkswagen ID. Buzz is a new electric van that looks like the old VW buses but is designed for today's world. It's eco-friendly and has a lot of space for passengers.
Car
Volkswagen Tiguan
The Volkswagen Tiguan is a small SUV that has a lot of space inside for passengers and cargo. It's a good option for families who need a reliable vehicle.
Car
Subaru WRX
The Subaru WRX is a sporty car that can handle different types of weather because it has all-wheel drive. It's popular among car enthusiasts for its fun driving experience.
Car
Honda Civic Type-R
The Honda Civic Type-R is a sporty version of the regular Civic that is designed for speed and fun driving. It's popular among people who enjoy performance cars.
Car
Nissan 370Z
The Nissan 370Z is a sporty car that is fast and fun to drive. It's part of a long line of Z-cars and is loved for its powerful engine.
Car
Mazda 6
The Mazda 6 MPS is a sporty version of the Mazda 6 that has a powerful engine and is fun to drive. It's a good option for families who want a car with some excitement.
Car
Mazda Cx9
The Mazda CX-9 is a family-friendly SUV that has a nice interior and is fun to drive. It offers plenty of space for passengers and cargo.
Car
Mercedes-Benz Cclass
The Mercedes-Benz C-Class is a fancy small car that offers a comfortable ride and lots of nice features. It's a good choice for people who want a luxury vehicle.
Car
Genesis GV70
The Genesis GV70 is a fancy small SUV that is comfortable and packed with features. It's designed to compete with other luxury brands and offers a smooth ride.
Car
Volkswagen Golf GTI
The Volkswagen Golf GTI is a small car that is both practical and fun to drive. It has a sporty feel and is great for everyday use.
LIVE
hi everybody this is podcast 700 post
technical issues we are Live on YouTube
many of you are asking questions already
and we're going to go for about an hour
maybe a little more because we just now
got started I cannot believe we've done
700 podcasts yeah I can't believe it
either guys thank you for joining us I
am still on a huge High I know you are
too from the week we just had in
Washington with our friends at Gio's
garage if you haven't heard that podcast
with Richard and Nick Grio we were in
Richard's office and we came away
driving an actual F1 car so we started
with Formula Ford then we went to an F2
car which is a Formula Atlantic Car in
the states the difference is in Europe
those F2 cars are fuel injected in uh
the states they are uh carburated so
then we move to an actual Formula 1 car
and we're still talking about this
experience and about the era because I
started of course looking up the drivers
that particular car has its own
Wikipedia page started looking up
drivers and you know that was the era of
gnarly crashes and bad things happened
but they were truly Heroes and so I'm
just I can't believe we drove these cars
so that will be a TV episode called the
road to F1 for season 11 and we've got
all the footage and we're still reeling
from this event so well you and I were
talking about it earlier the big problem
is the fact that this was the really
really dangerous era of of F1 the really
dangerous you know where your feet are
up at the front wing and the the cars
feel like they're made of paper and it
was one of those things where when I was
out of the car all of that dawned when I
was in the car thankfully I forgot
because there was so much going on I was
like I really got to drive now so uh
yeah anyway uh Ryan stamp was asking are
the cars ready for their long trips to
the east coast you notice we are both
wearing our radwood shirts oh yeah which
are the shirts that are celebrating the
fact we're about to go Way Way East all
the way from here to the Atlantic
because that seems like fun we're going
to go to the Subaru Park event for
radwood Philly we are leaving soon we
are taking a massive road trip we have
funny things planned along the way we're
very very excited we are we are headed
out there many of you are going to meet
us for the Meetup uh Friday night prior
we're very excited about that as well
because there's a ton of you coming
which thank you for that the cars are as
ready as they're going to be that's all
I know to say sitting on battery tender
yep Ready be yep well Chris W Chris
Wesson the format for questions is all
car questions as a matter of fact the
every 25 is when we 25 and 75 25 and 75
is when we get into the non-car
questions the the dig deep kinds of
questions but yeah these are all car
questions starting off on on the prior
list from Steve maragani has a tough
question because of how difficult it is
to find new Enthusiast cars and buy them
at a reasonable reasonable price what
sub $5,000 used car would you buy and
spend $10,000 or more fixing up I would
buy a $155,000 car that's what I would
do that's actually a great point Sorry I
was cheating yeah well here's my other
cheat and that is go older to buy an
Enthusiast car that is rough because if
you're going to put that kind of money
into a car it better not just be on
brakes and suspension and dumb stuff
okay it needs to be on restoring the car
making it run bringing things back to
life in an original way I mean if you're
saying $10,000 plus dollars now I know
there are very few vintage cars for
$55,000 but my thinking is if you're
going to pour a bunch of money into a
car let's get it an older one that is in
rough shape and get it back to its Glory
Days and back to where it was to
preserve cars rather than buying some
kind of middle of the road I mean you
could do a Mini Cooper pop to mind but a
middle of the road Mini Cooper and then
spending 10 grand to make it amazing why
don't just buy a better Mini Cooper yeah
I mean you could get I know the always
the answer is always you could get an
old used Miata you could get an old BMW
Z3 or Z4 we've proven that uh and they
and they still you recently had a had a
buddy you knew that bought what did he
buy that Z3 for it was less than five
grand oh yeah that that was uh friend of
the show Dane yeah yeah whose friend
just picked up a 150,000 mile Z3 in
Kansas yeah and they found it from the
original owner I believe sold a lot of
miles but the car was Top Shape Seven
Grand 7500 bucks yeah so I think those
those old convertibles are worthwhile I
mean you could be really scary and find
yourself an old Alpha Romeo Spider from
the 80s then you're a two find one of
those and then spend at least 10 grand
but I think the better the better call
is to just to spend a little more money
plus in this market right now you're
going to need 10 grand to get something
that feels like our $8,000 challenge
which is crazy to say but that's still
going on I have a question here that
came in from Twitter uh Mr McGill cuty
asked this question ahead of time and I
am still pondering it so I have to bring
it up the manual Supra his question is
what is our speculation on why Toyota is
retrofitting an inhouse six-speed and
not using the BMW unit and I'll tell you
why I think it is okay first off we're
thrilled they're doing a manual so thank
you to
we it uh Toyota is sick ofing from us
we've told how much we want to be in
that car uh couple things going first
off remember that Toyota has gotten
nothing but grief about the fact that
there's a BMW underneath so anything
they can do to separate the two I think
is to their benefit also if you've ever
driven a BMW and you've driven lots of
other cars all BMW shifters feel the
same but I don't think they feel very
good they are more rubbery in feel they
the cable than other cars make manual
transmissions there are other
transmission fields that are better now
people that are BMW enthusiasts will
tell you that's how manual transmission
is supposed to feel because they all
feel that way but Porsche does better
Mazda does better Toyota has done better
Honda does way better so I think Toyota
putting one of their transmissions and
their transmission feel into that car
I'll give you another example the
six-speed in the 86 chassis is different
than the one in the Subaru
WX because that's a Subaru transmission
and Toyota made sure their six-speed
felt better so I think it's the same
thing going on they want to
differentiate that car from the BMW and
they want to make the shifter feel like
a Toyota shifter and not a BMW shifter
and we're very excited yeah well just to
add a little bit to that is TOA has
indicated that they have put research
every car Enthusiast the way the super
manual is presented we're under the
impression that it's just bolt right up
and kick it out there and get it out
there and they are enthusiasts too they
want it to be right before they actually
reveal it and put it out there for
consumer consum
we we want that to be right I me
weighted shift knob there's a lot of
thinking behind it so if they're going
to compete and they're going to bring
the big dog they knew it had to feel
right so that just bodess well in my
opinione I agree I think it's gonna be
great all right I'm looking at both
lists of questions I'm trying to harvest
three list going at once it's great all
right go if you've got something um man
there's so many um favorite thing about
the Kos James is asking hi James you
know who that is if I'm right that's
James from throttle house oh it is James
if that picture is correct hi James hi
Jes welcome good to see you um let see
favorite thing about the Kos have you
guys driven it yet I don't remember I
honestly don't remember if you driven or
not so so jump in and say that I
actually think the best thing about it
is being seen in
it we were told that by the owner of the
the car that we drove and it stuck out
in our minds that when he told us he
would rather be looking at it in instead
of in the car that's true that actually
was right in line with what everybody
who saw that car you know it was parked
while we were shooting and people would
drive by and ask if that's the latest
Ferrari and we're thinking no it's a
30-year-old Lamborghini and yeah yeah
that's nothing to do with that he says
he says they're driving it tomorrow the
thing is it's one of those cars that I
think a lot of the Exotics of that era
we're driving more and more of them for
our cars of the past series is one of
those cars that uh the driving Dynamics
on a lot of those Exotics of that era
have not aged well because it was that
era when Exotics it was okay for them to
drive badly because they were so crazy
and now nobody accept that you can't a
McLaren a Porsche a Lamborghini they're
expected to drive really well and be
usable plus be weird that was allowed to
just be weird it was that era so the
pedals are in a weird spot and the
seating position but it's got those
weird Arc seats that are surprisingly
comfortable but you look at them and go
what is going on there that's because
your back is contorted into a position
that's never been your back to like a
weird fetal position yeah so the thing
is driving it I I always felt like I
didn't want to push it really hard now
we also had a very nervous owner on our
hands we did and that owner was with us
in the passenger seat so we said yes of
course but it was one of those things
where I think being seen in it is the
magic being seen with it is the magic
because it it creates such an impression
on everybody that sees it that you kind
of enjoy that versus something like I'll
go with a Miata something like a Miata
is not something that anybody's oh my
gosh there a guy of Miata nobody cares
but you as the driver are getting all
the enjoyment it's the exact reverse
James I will also say the doors I'm
curious about the build quality from
that era of cars because they were so
bespoke almost they were built and when
I had the uh the door open like Todd's
doing I would wiggle the door just to
see our car felt really solid I was
really impressed with the build quality
even though it's you know two frames in
some places and and built in other
places and symmetry is overrated and I
was so impressed so I I look at things
like build quality and how panel Gap
fitments are and you know I suppose you
have to give it a pass but uh hope you
guys enjoy and so thrilled you guys are
uh jumping on here appreciate you
joining what else do you have I've got
some design questions on the two series
I've seen a couple of them please jump
yeah aash says our thoughts on the new
two series and the look
particularly as a matter of fact we've
got one right now and shooting an
episode it will be primarily for
YouTube but I'm intrigued with this car
and I will say that Todd and I racked
our brains as far as what car this
competes against in the marketplace
because it has grown it's heavier it's
got more power than the first M2 when
the M2 came out this car has 20 or 25
more horsepower than that M2 and it's
over 3,800 lbs all-wheel drive only
automatic transmission so the
proportions have changed and to me it's
gone more Grand Touring instead of the
real compact lightweight sports car kind
of thinking it's it's grown almost as if
BMW is has done that deliberately to
introduce something just underneath it
that is a true small driver's car not
the two seies grand Coupe hatch nothing
like that but it's slightly bigger now
and therefore leaving room and you know
that BMW is the king of the niche models
and it's almost like the 1.5 series or
somewhere in there where they could do
some sort of lighter weight this is the
true you know welcome to BMW kind of car
I'm intrigued by that I hate maybe they
don't but the car is bigger heavier than
ever before it's significantly bigger so
on to The Styling what do you do to a
classic Coupe shape to give it
distinctive BMW lines BMW has the
surfaces nailed I think they're doing
excellent and what we're seeing is like
the Toyota like the F FRS issue the
first gen had very distinctive
headlights and tail lights and people
love that the most that's what this new
generation of bmw2 Series has the
headlights and tail lights are very
distinctive whether you like them or not
you're looking at those you're not
looking at the body sides the body sides
are very clean and simple you're looking
of course at the grill the headlight the
eyes of the car and of course the tail
lights and that's defining the car along
with those longer proportions more to
come as far as the the detailed design
review but as far as surfaces very
simple it's a classic GT car shape it's
a it's a saloon it's I can't believe how
simple the side is and how busy the ends
are I have much to say and I'm not even
the design guy but
yeah all right let's
see lots of
questions I'm just glad we're on and you
can hear us agree exciting uh let's see
Chris has a n n pardon me 2007 997.1 4S
with 100,000 plus miles on it $40,000
the motor replaced by the prior owner
he's still taking to the track and
ripping it up is he an idiot it's going
to cost money but he but he cannot use
it as intended
um I mean why not use it look if you're
not Precious Chris then I think the fact
that you're tracking it is wonderful the
concern that I have with that 103,000
mile car is you're getting to the place
where okay 40,000 on the motor is great
and crazy that the last owner replaced
it but you're getting that place where
other stuff is going to wear out and
break it's not going to be the motor
that's going to go first it's going to
be something else so where is the place
at which you can't tolerate that I love
that you're driving it I love that
you're driving it hard is there a
monetary amount or is there a number of
times it asks you for something how
needy is it that was the thing with my
faten is every single month it was like
excuse me I need stuff you know and so
that's what I mean we had it for a year
either way that's what got annoying if I
had kept it so what is your tolerance
level because I think what's going to
happen is you're going to start seeing
other things around that engine break
because of high mileage and your steady
track usage I I love that you're using
using it uh the other question I would
have Chris is send us a send us an email
send us a car debate what are you
pondering next if you have no idea what
to do next keep beating on the 911 but
if you have a I'd like to go here then
why not get out of the 911 before it
does something catastrophically like
what
like you with the Porsches that cost
some money with a lot Paul Williamson
thank you for jumping on thank you we
really appreciate it we're still amazed
that 700 episodes of us doing this and
to us there's no end in sight we we're
just amazed that we can and get to do
this and get to do this with you guys so
thanks for all your questions I've got
one up here from Bruce boom uh boom with
who says with 15 years of content do we
have an index all of the vehicles do we
have an index of the vehicles that we've
discussed if someone wants to hear our
thoughts on the Porsche Cayenne can they
immediately go to those episodes we have
talked about a variety of ways to do
this and what it would look like but the
answer is no we don't have a single
source of the truth you know like flip
to
Cayenne but of course verse one chapter
one exactly sayth thee about the Cayenne
Lo it is better than you expect scroll
anyway yeah you can of course on YouTube
find the families from the manufacturers
so we group all the types of videos into
the various family categories from each
manufacturer that is a good way to to
see things very quickly
but not all well at this point not all
of the TV episodes are up there some was
pulled from the initial TV episodes were
pulled from uh first generation YouTube
content and those videos still exist but
it's really the only searchable way not
necessarily the Cayenne the the simplest
search is actually the main YouTube
channel go to the channel not anywhere
else just go to the channel and use the
search bar on the channel and you can
act like all my Cayenne videos you can
find them there even though that does
have playlists and many of them have
playlists the difficulty with our
content is the fact that spread
elsewhere because for example our icon
film that one BMWs right the Corvette
film the 911 film major discussion about
all those Generations that isn't
actually anywhere on YouTube so that
makes it a little bit harder of course
the podcast is not searchable in this
way this gets hard but thank you for
wanting that I honestly think the
simplest answer is to search the YouTube
uh Jordan's question yeah hey man how
are you you we've come through Park City
before it's good to see you oh by the
way Jordan I'm calling you out
I'm pretty sure you know Brian's
questionable decisions and the next time
he's in Park City we want him on this
podcast please connect the dots for
definely we saw the photos on his
IG spot yes but Jordan just took some
pictures with him so I'm I'm connecting
the world I'm trying I'm trying for that
it' be a cool guest favorite road trip
you've ever
done I think and we've done some cool
ones and we're about to do and this may
be topped because the West Coast one was
awesome I loved it we have some ahead of
us we don't know if they're going east
it's going to be crazy we're going north
to Montana and Wyoming Greatest Hits
there it's going to be great even our
Texas trip I'm excited about we got a
lot of stuff with cards of the past I'm
going to say to this point I actually
think it's the one I did last summer in
the Lotus with my son I was wondering if
it was 1400 miles in Lotus lease which
on Headline is not something you should
do that sounds terrible, 1400 miles in a
Lotus Elise please don't do that okay
but we hit Greatest Hits roads it was
supposed to be a family vacation and for
other reasons it became a just Father
and Son vacation cool we did the best of
Utah in that in that car and I will say
to this to this moment my son taught me
something on that trip I think I've
mentioned before we went through one of
the best parts of Highway 12 if you come
on Utah meet up you can do it with us
one of the best parts of Highway 12 we
got done yeah and he said something I've
never thought of before okay which was
so stupid because you and I will will
paint roll our way down a road shooting
it right okay and I've driven plenty of
roads and they're great we got through
the best part he looked at me and he
goes can we go back and do it again
that's great boom I was like that's
great man we can that was what was so
crazy about that moment I was like yes
yes we can son and so we did certain
sections of it over and over and it was
wonderful because garage said who saw a
guyardo at Walmart this morning what's
the most unexpected place you've seen an
exotic or
Supercar I want to say Monteray and it's
not Monteray it's Selenas when you're at
the Motel 6 and a panta Rolls in you're
like AET of course Monteray but the the
crazy thing about Monteray which is a
moment in time thing yeah go ahe you
will never sit in in traffic with so
many amazing cars stop and go with
something in front of you that's
overheating and something behind you is
overheating and everything around you is
worth millions and everybody's sitting
there stopped trying desperately to keep
their cars moving and they aren't moving
that's the most exotic traffic jam on
the planet for sure I can't remember a
specific time necessarily but it's
because you think all the supercars are
clustered in one place and then when one
leaves the herd you think G why are you
out here what are you doing anyway Derek
is asking if the police will come back
to the podcast you want to tell the Chad
story latest one we had our friend the
sheriff just to set this up we had our
friend Chad who is a local sheriff was
on here before it said the police are
here is the name of the podcast and he
has as answered some amazing questions
from a perspective of an officer but as
you know and he may be listening now
he's a big fan of the show and he's
followed for a long time he listens in
his patrol car which is now an
undercover red Tundra yeah so Chad's
fairly high up in the local sheriff
department so he's now in a red Tundra
with the lights in the grill so we know
about Chad but he sent you a text that
started a ridiculous conversation
recently well he sent me some photos
along with a text and Chad I really
appreciate you sending because he was
waiting in to go into the tunnel car
wash with the scratchy brushes there was
a 992 911 ahead of him now for Chad to
take the company issued the county
issued truck through it's the truck it's
the police truck fine but for a 992 911
to go into a tunnel was deliberately is
very strange and Chad just happened to
be right behind him and after they both
exited the tunnel wash Chad pulled him
over for not speed
shining he sent me photos he popped the
lights and pulled this guy over and the
guy's like what' I do he's in the drying
lot going what happened how did I
possibly speed or do anything yeah so he
pulled him over for not speed shining
and he promptly told him about the show
and he said this guy was very nice I
said Well Chad you're huge and you're
also an officer everybody is nice to you
yes who isn't nice to you so apparently
he was informed he know now knows about
guo's garage products knows to not take
his 992 through the tunnel wash and it
made me hurt a little bit and you know
everybody has their thing and that's
your car it's not mine but still Chad
was right to do this and he made an
example and so hopefully he's this man
has discovered there was no ticket given
we hope he discovered Grio but what I
want to know of course which we'll never
know is what did this person tell
significant other when he got home
you'll never believe this honey he's
never been pulled over for not speech I
that is ridiculous way we went to dinner
with Nick uh and Richard after our F1
experience and I told them that story
and I showed them the photos and they
laughed they couldn't believe it
happened yeah they were really they they
had fun with Michael Roode have I
totally lost my mind for putting a Chevy
LS engine in a 91 Miata and to daily
drive it along with occasional
autocross two thoughts here Michael
first
off that's borderline too much motor for
that car and I am a guy that I like
things that are not overly powerful I
like things that feel like they're
balanced and that's going to be an awful
lot of motor for that car I hope you're
doing other things around the motor not
just big motor and everything else is
stock worry about brakes worry about
suspension visit the folks at flying
Miata make sure you get that entire car
dialed around that motor so it's not
just overwhelming if you get it dialed
drive it
always to the store to work in traffic
autocross track days if you get it set
up right it should be the daily for sure
by way do you fit you hopefully you fit
anyway yeah great na'vi benal says Todd
would you would he be an idiot to place
his faith in a 10-year-old Chevy uh
Camaro V8 or Mustang or Challenger with
a stick shift with 100,000 miles his
last stick shift was in 1996 marudi
Suzuki's Z something's pending on that
car think so 100,000 mile Chevy V8 I
mean it's 10 years old 100,000 Mi
shouldn't be too much of an issue unless
you know
everything will be available and cheap
for that car but something once it goes
but something is waiting right I just
feel confident about that Forerunner for
Life 98 has already scrubbed off the
tires after 8,500 miles on his 2022
Tesla Model 3 what new TIR should you
buy well if you don't have NOK and
haapus for winter we recommend that but
they do have a very good all-weather
Tire you should investigate what tires
from every manufacturer that are
specifically for electric cars and it's
been interesting because we've been
having conversations about this with a
lot of different manufacturers and that
is they're going after specific electric
car built tires because you're a lot
heavier and you're doing the same kinds
of driving techniques with a car that
weighs 1,500 pounds more than a car
you've been used to so absolutely those
tires are made for the cars go go pursue
what whatever your favorite Tire brand
is but we do recommend Nokian we've had
a lot of great luck with and they've
come alongside us for this cars of the
past series they are on our cars and
we're going to be taking those all
weather and we've had you know back up
in Seattle in the winter and summertime
driving as well so they are a high
performance all- weather Tire we like
those a lot Chris austerman hey Chris
how are you when are you guys driving
the new Z now that much discussion has
happened here at everyday driver about
the new Z because we wanted to drive it
yes and our friends at Nissan wanted us
at the launch and they told us when the
launch was and it was exactly when we
were supposed to go to Grio to drive an
F1 car we made the collective executive
decision F1 car we may never drive again
right Z car they can probably send us in
Utah so we went F1 car having said that
you are you are about to see the
internet flooded I don't remember when
the Embargo is but it's in the next four
or five days 16 May 16th is embargo the
the so that means that morning your
entire feed will be Z car and we will
not be in it and we're bummed about that
but we have one coming to Utah to do a
comparison and to actually drive it the
way we want to drive it on our great
roads it's coming very soon and then the
video will follow that is actually the Z
car will be featured at the end of
season 11 which we're yeah right busily
shooting and editing that's right well
we just wanted more time with the cars
and that's our thing we always want as
much time with them as possible soak
time to drive it but then time to shoot
the car and and of course Come Away with
the footage that we want so that's
always been our thing and and so
launches are great we want to be a part
of it but then yeah as you said when an
opportunity to drive jod sher's Podium
finishing 1978 Formula 1 car that still
I'm that's a bucket list item I hope to
do vintage racing in the future I hope
to do more I want to do more I want to
get used to all kinds of vintage cars
you and I have been a few in a few at
this point and I've just scratched the
surface I've just started to taste
what's possible and I'm floored by what
goes into the maintenance and the care
and feeding of these things the care and
feeding is staggering it's made me want
to do it more I love modern cars but
it's made me want to go vintage even
more it's horrible sure who's paying for
that because it's ason Steve is asking
he says the Carin show which we like
that's Jason kamisa and Friends uh they
declared that the nc3 the last of the NC
generation third generation Miata was
better than the nd2 do we agree or
disagree now first off we have done a
big Miata for car comparo that was with
an
nd1 we both like the NC a lot because we
both
fit that is the thing that makes the NC
exciting to me all the time is that I
just fit if it's a car for me as much as
I like the nd2 and I like it a lot it is
totally undermined for me by the fact
that I just sit there like this the
whole time it hurts so that is
definitely a factor for sure yeah Nick
thank you Nick rers jumped on with he
said just wanted to support he's got a
down payment on a one-owner Honda S2000
ap2 to replace his total STI hatchback
we're very sorry that got total I hope
there was nobody in it and if there was
I hope everybody's okay this will be his
first rear wheeel drive car he
appreciates the content Nick thank you
for the support we that's huge we just
feel like when we meet fans of the show
it's just the instant thing we do is
just start talking cars of course it's
not like hey great to meet you we're
just like instant like hey that thing I
talked to you about on the questions
with the we just just pick up right
where we left I will say that I will say
that if we meet you when we meet you
absolutely please connect the dots for
us because you'll talk to us and you'll
know what we said to you about whatever
question and honestly so many questions
have gone by we don't everybody feel
connect the dots it's always really cool
I do want to say if it's your first rear
whee drive car Nick you need to do some
autocross and or just some parking lot
fun on your own find the Dynamics of
that car at the edges so you know the
understandings of it the ap2 was a
little less over steer heavy uh tin
prone than the AP1 but those are
fantastic cars also you're coming out of
an STI hatchback which is Turbo that is
non-turbo you're going to have a totally
different Power band that you're
probably going to struggle with
initially so just give that car a chance
to play to its strengths and and also go
somewhere where you can really ring it
out so you understand it see borika has
a what would be the next logical car you
had a 1991 Mazda Miata now he's got a 96
BMW Z3 what should he get next when he
sells Z3 why sell the Z3 those are
awesome they are good yeah but here's
your track record you're staying small
and lightweight and gr86 is the next for
you I think unless he goes and then he
needs a boxer certainly boxer if if you
want to stay convertible but gr86 we've
had questions uh let's see anzar is
asking about the gr86 should he test
drive a car that he has no intent of
owning or plan on owning in a few years
intends to own a gr86 as a fun weekend
car but he's not sure if he should test
drive the gr86 now I say do it now test
drive so you know and Come Away with
you'll either confirm everything and
you'll love it or you'll think you know
what I didn't fit well or I didn't quite
like the interaction of something and I
I thought it was going to be really good
and didn't really turn out that way
I say drive it now and that will only
help you with your decision don't wait
to drive something if you've got that
opportunity don't wait Chris Simmons
he's got a question here about adding a
weekend car he said he sees a lot of low
mile lowc cost Pontiac Solstice are they
wor worth it the solai is that the Sol
you definitely need to go drive one but
watch our cars under $8,000 because
that's in there compared to all of its
competitors and you can see us talk
about it that was a fantastic first gen
I wish GM had done a second gen of that
car because I think it would have been a
serious competitor it's like 90% a
serious competitor it is worth it
there's a question here from Skyler as
well he started watching us when he was
too young to drive it's been a while
it's it's been a while yeah MH yeah
there there's there's a there's a whole
thing about our 50th Anniversary coming
up so uh that's gonna be crazy yeah Dan
L jumps on thank you so much for the the
700 congratulations he says uh he's got
the Miata recommendation a few hundred
episodes ago a few hundred episodes ago
any chance of a Dallas Texas Meetup soon
also is Grio Ceramic spray okay as the
only product when you detail every week
yes it is obviously you know make sure
your Surface Prep is good to start with
but then the Ceramic spray it already
has waxes in it and it's designed for
that consistent detail every week so I
definitely highly recommend that but
chance of a Dallas Texas Meetup soon our
Austin radwood trip was thwarted due to
weather in Austin we were happily
Trucking there we were going to make it
and we had to turn around so obviously
rad W in Austin was rescheduled for late
April and then I think there's another
one in October that we're shooting for
but that's also back in Austin that's
right now the closest uh Texas location
that we've got planned we we are going
to do Austin and we will probably do a
Meetup many of you the last time we were
in Austin came down from Dallas we hope
you will come down for that because we
will definitely do a Meetup when we come
to Austin in the fall right now we have
to do east coast and then North because
because the great thing about going
south is we can go south when it starts
snowing here yeah it's true but uh we
did it already but it started snowing in
Austin and then so they canceled Redwood
but anyway Rich krnel says Honda and to
Hoyer combined for the legendary McLaren
engine yes they did which watch
manufacturer would tie in with the
Porsche engine for Paul's ultimate F1
watch Porsche nerdgasm wake up Todd when
I'm done yes please I am currently
falling asleep yes Wake Me by the way on
our recent patreon call with our board
member patrons Rich corrected me I was
pronouncing the John trell's name the
famous tril formula team and by the way
it was jod sheer who drove that six
wheel tal car and that was astounding
anyway so the perfect watch I admit I'm
definitely a tutor fan but I'm also uh
an IWC fan as well and certainly Bell
and Ross but I yeah maybe not maybe it's
not tog Hoyer anymore the problem is
Porsche Design is doing their own
movements now so it it would be
weird it would be weird if Porsche
Design didn't provide their own
movements for the special design watch
because they have gotten away from
sourcing ETA movements and Valu
movements they are just doing their own
movement now and that makes sense it
goes into all their products now
especially the watch designed for the
GT3 and the GT3 RS special editions they
have their own movement look my watch
but I'm not wearing one yeah I I just
say yeah just just use that one any
chance of a NorCal Meetup I've seen that
question come by a couple times uh
nothing on the calendar yet but we know
we have to get back out there we've done
some stuff in that area without doing
meetups so we're aware of that reality
uh I've got a question from earlier
today with all the press this is figgy
Mark I think it was Instagram with all
the Press cars we drive and the trips
we're doing in the cars of the past how
many miles per year do we actually put
on the Lotus and the Cayman this was the
reason I took my big road trip last year
we were just talking about this because
I realized last year when we had the the
I had my Z4 and we had everything else
going on and also last Summers when I
bought the 300 ZX I realized if I wasn't
careful I would put like 2,000 miles on
that car which is better than zero but
not nearly enough so that's why I plan
that road trip and the average right now
is about four to 5,000 miles a year and
when you consider everything else I'm
kind of glad we put that many on but it
it this sounds crazy to enjoy that car
that much and not put more miles on it
but it's just the matter I mean there
have certainly been times when I could
drive the Lotus and I want to drive the
Lotus and I need to drive the Lotus but
I have to drive this minivan for test
drive that's not that exact our job is
awesome but that's a moment when you
just kind of go dang it so I drive the
minivan because we need to talk but then
we get to do things like the carnival
the carnival we always surprise
ourselves when uh when we end up driving
a minivan and make some fun of it so
yeah let's see Michael Walsh asks me
more watch questions what do I think of
the new tutor black Bay Pro I think the
size is too small I wish they did the
bronze version instead of 39 millimeters
I like 41 I like 42 I've had 44
millimeters and they're just a touch
they're up there like the Top Gun idbc
but the pro as good as that looks it
looks like a Rolex Explorer would you
not agree but I think 39 millimeters I
believe is too small I like 40 41
somewhere in there I think that's just
the Sweet Spot anyway onwards yeah doing
lots of watch questions Kelly is asking
if we heard anything back from YouTube
about our open letter I look that was
sent to YouTube directly to their
recommendations before it was an open
letter oh yeah you still haven't heard
anything I don't expect they'll ever
respond yeah uh and and the and the
thing it's it's a tradeoff you know our
friend Matt Farah has been talking a lot
about the fact that he's just embracing
the YouTube algorithm he's call calling
it YouTube face okay and there's certain
ways to do the thumbnails and that kind
of stuff we have we have fought against
that for embracing that but and and the
fact that we're on multiple program uh
platforms allows us to do kind of our
own thing but there is something to be
said for caving to the algorithm because
that's where the money is but I think
YouTube has the ability to prevent us
all from leading ourselves to the lowest
common denominator because this is the
thing that social media does when you
when you're engaging with social media
all the algorithm really wants is you to
engage again so it is going to to lead
you down a path that it thinks you'll
like but that typically is never
elevating what you're looking at I wish
YouTube would create what I kind of
thought up as kind of like the YouTube
Oscars is not a great example but I wish
they would create that so that YouTube
could say this is stuff worth watching
not just what the algorithm says you
should watch but that will require
people if you want to read that open
letter it's on our website under the
YouTube tab but I doubt I'll ever hear a
thing okay so what's the next steps what
do we do you've posted it already I've
gotten suggestions about reposting it on
LinkedIn I'm on LinkedIn a fair amount
yeah yeah should I find somebody who
works for YouTube on LinkedIn I I think
somebody should see it and at least
acknowledge and be like great idea bu I
fully expect somebody YouTube has seen
it but I think maybe but what's the next
after that acknowledgement like good
idea byy now yay you a little nice
little pat on the head thumbs up I'm
going to go a muff I mean I don't know
that there is a there is a way to uh to
get them to acknowledge that matters
other than them doing that and I would
love for them to do it but I don't think
that that's very likely we're going to
continue to have that um that walk
around where we just go okay what do we
want to do what do we think YouTube
wants to watch how can we find a blend
versus just going yay YouTube we'll see
we'll see uh Dennis baros or Deni asks
if I have attempted paint correction
before the most I've gone it's clear
coat correction but the most I've gone
is the heaviest formula from Grio for
really scratch clear coat and it's
fantastic I mean it's brought back stuff
you would think is toast but not actual
I I haven't gone after if you're asking
color sanding or going further than that
I certainly have not you know there's
guys that do it daily in and out but
telling you Grio has the tools to make
stuff you come back you would never
otherwise
think Chris is is asking about would
would we be suspicious of someone
selling their Enthusiast car after a
year of owning It Like Us selling the
gr86 after yeah he says his reasoning
for selling is because he wants to try
other cars he's trying to figure what to
say to a perspective buyer say
that say that okay I mean because that's
going to give them confidence about the
fact that you don't have anything about
the car that you find fundamentally
wrong or broken or hidden you would like
to move on and I think Chris you're
going to need to have an answer for what
you're considering next so that you can
you can be like I've enjoyed this here's
the things I love about it here's the
things I still love about it but I would
like to get a blank nobody's gonna have
a problem with that I think that's
helpful let's see here AIS says
stylistically how do we feel about the
Supra versus the new Z compared to the
matchup of old Titans of
the90s I think what you're seeing is
manufacturing processes I think you're
seeing a manifestation of trying to
figure out how to make a car
faster and cheaper rather than taking
the time to make a more complex stamping
and it's either done in urethane it's
done in injection molding or some kind
of composite material but I will say the
Supra has I believe what we were told is
the largest sheet metal production piece
currently for the hood because of the
because it's a clamshell that lays over
the top almost to uh below the belt line
it is is spectacular and when you look
at that single piece that is an
investment in tooling that's an
expensive piece to get right because
it's so large it gets unwieldy the
larger the piece the harder it is to
hold tolerances and you know Toyota
they're not going to let something leave
the factory you know terrible so having
a piece that large is incredibly
impressive so I I look at complexity of
form but then also how it's made and I
haven't seen the Z yet in person we
still have not we've seen plenty of
photos but it still leans more towards
what your 300Z looks like as far as
simple panels and the complexity is
really in the urethane front end they
had a 240 sitting in the studio and said
how much can we do that new I mean
that's very much the new one right but
that dictates manufacturing the cost you
know how how many times a piece is
stamped whether it's five times to coax
the shape out of it or if it's just
three and so it's a over overbend and
then you know f ing it back and that's
it's Art and Science it's like making
wine you know everybody starts with
grape juice and Thyme why does some wine
taste better than other wine the the
master who's making it you all have the
same ingredients you all have sheet
metal and a giant tool to stamp it I
love that we find a way to watches and
wine in the midst of an allar podcast
somebody ask me movie questions please
save me anyway might be coming that's
unbelievable um Andrew P says what are
our suggestions for lesser known driving
roads if we suggest them they not less
or not I'm just saying the key thing is
Google Maps in your area and find the
squiggles and drop a little guy down and
see if that road is worth it you will be
amazed at some of the stuff we you find
we found another road today that we're
excited about we kept driving it going
this is awesome uh a couple of you are
asking about a generations of the zcar
piece uh 86 Monty is asking for one and
a couple others are asking as well we
would like to we have it in discussion
uh I'm sure others are talking about it
as well we want to do it in this style
which we are known for and nobody else
has really done so we'll see what
happens uh it has to do with getting a
lot of the cars together luckily I own
one we know of a 370 we we can probably
get a new one so we can get some of them
but I want to go all the way back to the
Dodson and get the whole group we'll see
if we can put it together going back
this year is so crammed I'm not sure if
we can do it this year but I want to try
to do it we'll see we'll see it's in
discussion sometimes we fit things in
that we never thought we could do but
agreed Tyler Kenneth Ste Stevens asks me
about design trending
we he remembers us commentating years
ago about design trends that need to go
the time it was about increasing amounts
of fake grills and vents what new trends
do I think are interesting of course
it's the signature Lighting on all the
cars but what I'm confused by is how the
signature lighting for a car for a
particular model is different than its
sibling and I mean massively different
BMW has a good consistency Mercedes is
beginning to have a good consistency but
Kia the K5 GT is completely different
than almost everything else in their
lineup and it was just because the
designers liked it and gave it a little
bit of personality to a otherwise kind
of boring sedan so for car manufacturers
that you could look at this two ways
they have a different signature lighting
for every single car but that doesn't
say family to me that just says the
designers liked it and it was cool
looking but good design can be counter
to one another one piece of furniture in
collection doesn't have to look exactly
like you know a larger version of that
smaller one you can have some elements
from it and push it further so I could
go both ways but I just I keep seeing
the signature lighting I'm like that is
a DOT nope that's a Nissan that looks
like the BMW over here which looks like
the Kia and why is there no consistency
throughout or at least a part of that
element consistent throughout so they do
the big grills so they have room for big
grill big grill so you know which family
it's from more big grills no stop with
the big grills uh let's see there was a
really good question here from Mark
what's the difference between good and
bad body roll he says it seems to him to
depend on if you're in the driver or
passenger
seat every car rolls more than you think
when you're in the passenger seat every
single car on the planet like whoa
you're driving way too fast here you
know that always is the case so the but
the thing is it has to do with how the
car resolves itself at the end of the
body roll and I'll give you a great
example the ND the latest generation
Miata all of them but the latest
generation is kind of extreme has a lot
of body roll you put it next to the gr86
which has very little body roll and you
kind of think wow this rolls quite a bit
but the Miata has a lot of body rooll to
give you the sensations of the car
moving but it's not sloppy it's very
well set up into how it handles the
weight you get into your typical look
it's an obvious low hanging fruit you
get into a typical Minivan and anybody
roll in that feels kind of like a boat
kind of out of control it's it's wallowy
and that's the difference you can have
body roll just fine as long as the car
is taut and holds its holds its line
well if there's secondary motions in the
middle of a corner that is all
bad uh let's see Jordan is giving me a
water break Todd this is direct at you
what is the movie or a movie you wish
you could have been able to work on in
the last 30 years I'm gonna drink water
the problem with working on movies
honestly is the fact that it kind of
ruins them at the time now for Lord of
the Rings I was able to be out front of
it enough that I was able to see some
stuff before I had to really work on it
and that would made it fun
um but that's that's the thing is that
if you work on it often you're kind of
over it so that is a bit of a question
mark is it along the lines of when you
send us uh April Cuts because you've
been sitting in front of the monitor for
too long going chance
Paul watch this am I out of my tree
Unforgiven one of my favorite westerns
ever yeah that would have been awesome
to be involved in Clint Eastwood
throwing down that's a little more 30
years ago but but that that would have
been I that will be my answer right
there what's the movie we were just
talking about uh Ed Harris underwater uh
oh the abyss the abyss yeah the James
Cameron Abyss the stuff you were telling
me about the abyss everything about
working on that was hellish I don't want
to be a part of that but it sounded
amazing Morgan Freeman watch the behind
the scenes on the abyss side note if
you've never seen it it's unbelievable
the stuff they did but Morgan Freeman
and Clint Eastwood at the top of their
game making
Unforgiven yeah whoa yeah I je Hackman's
the villain come on that's my answer
it's
Unforgiven let's see I've got another
design question from Johnny
buroughs uh let's see what would I
consider the drivers of corporate design
language or like corporate grills didn't
really exist 30 years ago certainly
proportion it's always proportion you
look at body side to window height you
look at proportion length of cars cars
just fit in a certain kind of
demographic you know BMWs from 30 years
ago they're quite boxy and square Volvos
you knew what a Volvo looks like that
how again back to manufacturing that's
how car companies differentiated
themselves but simple clean
manufacturing that's just dictated by
how much money the company has to invest
in tooling but you're right it's always
been about the headlights and the
surrounds of headlights it's always the
secondary characters because many cars
just use the same sealed beam H hallogen
you've got the seven inch or 8 inch
rounds or the you know the rectangular
lights but it's that surround that they
have it with and the grills and then of
course the proportion so it was the
stuff that didn't quite cost as much to
do whereas now bodyside stampings all of
that stuff is baked into the cost of the
car and designers have pushed on that
which I'm thrilled to see over the years
designers have pushed on let's invest in
more okay so that's going to take
another step to tool that body side yes
that's more expensive that's more of an
investment what battle can we win with
marketing and the product planners but
then look at the distinctive design and
if it's justified in sales that gives
the designers the next car they do more
clout to say okay look what we did on
this last design and it sold 400,000
units but the marketing department just
wants it to go faster 0 to 60 than last
time that's really the number one thing
they for all the electric cars yeah yeah
uh long block is saying he wants to go
to his first track day he has an nc1 so
an early Miata third gen looking for
either a later Miata third gen or a gr86
is a replacement I'm guessing you're
going to buy one of those two as your
track car that's kind of what I'm
reading in here which do we suggest is
better for first track day I'm going to
say the gr86 mainly because it's going
to feel more powerful than the NC and
also because it's a new life experience
if you have a third gen Miata I don't
want you to get another third gen Miata
for track day get in a gr86 to have a
new experience yeah I like that and I
also think that out of the box just
completely stock the gr86 is a bit
sharper than the Miata is out of the box
now the Miata can be turned into a
weapon no question but I think out of
the box it is a sharper car Chris Wesson
asked me about the Volkswagen ad running
on the Boston area radio that touts the
joyful
to right are we braced for rant because
I feel one coming what would the to need
to do in order to be described by
literally anyone as joyful besides syn
them all by the way Rich came up with an
even better uh hashtag Burning Down The
to yes very good yes that was fantastic
but yes drown them burn them I don't
care but I've been actually confused by
a lot of mixed messaging from the CEO
sorry of Volkswagen sorry I'm just
bracing for about to strap myself in
yeah the mixed messaging is this I just
read a headline saying that the CEO
Herbert said maybe it's you know
electric cars are too soon and they're
you know not quank being adopted by
everybody yet so that's a little bit too
soon here they are fully Allin
that's all we think about Volkswagen now
is forget about all the fun stuff we're
just trying to finish off the
manufacturing and you know amortise our
tooling because this is how many years
we projected to make that car we're just
trying to wait till the end till it's
done kick it out of the way and on to
electrification fine if that's your
business plan stick to it but don't put
a a contrary headline or some sort of
contrary statement out there because now
I'm confused I can certainly see it with
the ID Buzz I think that's excellent it
sticks to that bus kind of flat floor
plenty of space compact proportions yes
all day long but we still like
Volkswagen fun cars to drive where are
those where's the hey we're still
thinking about you enthusiasts in
addition to all the to that are out
there so to make the to
joyful eject eject eject I'm not sure
because I didn't find the build quality
to be where I would expect Volkswagen is
and that's because Volkswagen fusses
over the tiniest radiuses more so they
go so much further in their engineering
and design than almost every car company
I mean it is it is hard to work for
Volkswagen you are under the gun there
there's a lot of high standards and in
many of their products that's reflected
but when I first slammed the door in the
to and I started driving I thought this
doesn't feel like up to their standards
it feels like marketing is desperately
trying to take over to convince all of
us that the to is indeed a good car and
then I was justified that was proven
they had a huge recall on the to Talsen
and you can't find the intuitive button
and it's changed from the Tiguan to the
TA the controls are not in the same
place how long do you guys have tonight
it's going to be a while yeah please on
Matthew is asking me another movie
question thank you favorite driving
sequence in a movie I've mentioned this
before but I'm going to stand on it he
says it doesn't have to to be a chase
scene his is uh opening sequence through
the Big Sir in play myy for me which is
also good there's some other just nice
scenery ones but I will tell you my
favorite car sequence ever because I
think it so encapsulates why cars are
wonderful to drive and it is in the
first Pixar Cars movie of all places my
favorite one is out of an animated film
it's when Lightning McQueen who's only
ever raced winds up doing the back roads
of what's kind of like Monument Valley
okay he does the back road is this the
first cars yes with the girl in the
movie yeah Sally takes him on a drive
and and the whole point of the drive is
not to race and she makes a point she's
like we're just gonna drive and they go
through the pines and they see great
stuff and there's there's actually like
thoughtful camera moves there's there's
a section where the the camera's
tracking through I mean it's all made up
tracking through digital trees to come
across the road right as they're passing
it's really well shot it's well
orchestrated there's scenery it it
encapsulates in like 90 seconds why
driving a great car on a great road is
wonderful in a way that I've never seen
any other movie do I'm going to stay on
that okay see there's so many good
questions scrolling
around there was a question back here
from Mandy who works with us who is the
reason we have cool shirts on blip shift
many many other things Mandy so also if
you haven't met her yet Mandy sets up
all of our amazing meetups including the
Philly one so we always give her many
thanks she's saying I wish there was
some way she's not being subtle she
wishes there was some way that we
enthusiasts that follow the show could
gather outside of a live podcast like
this and it is our Discord which you get
on by being a patron and there are many
of you that are patrons that are on
Discord and there is there's a whole
infrastructure and life and world that
goes on that you and I don't even talk
about we jump on and go I got a lot of
reading to do because everybody's having
these great conversations meetups in
local areas have happened because of
Discord four or five people will get
together and they'll just meet up in
their local area and find great roads I
love that so much it's possible on our
Discord and that's connected through our
patreon and I know Mandy wants me to say
that so there you go Mandy but thank you
for all you
do there is a question about a car we'd
like to go EV I'm I'm scrolling around
trying to find it uh what car that we
would love if it were an
EV uh I'm getting that
wrong see I mean I'm thinking Miata
initially because of where Mazda has
placed the Miata and how long running it
is and if they turn that into an
electric vehicle and they do it right
and it still retains Miata
characteristics that is a Throwdown for
every other manufacturer who wants to do
a fun car in the future that's that will
help it remain The Benchmark whether
they can do this is a question I I don't
know I hope they can I hope they're
working on it behind the scenes or
something smallish to be that platform
uh somebody is asking oh Todd is asking
what's more fun this is interesting the
spec racer Fords we drove in our
three-day race school or the formula
cars we just drove with G's garage now
there's two parts of this Todd and that
is keep in mind that the formula cars we
just drove stepped up we started with a
formula for it's kind of the equivalent
to the spec racer for and then we went
up right so I can't compare the spec
racer fors to the higher grades because
that's just blowing them out but as far
as the spec racer Ford and the uh the
Formula Ford I preferred the spec racer
for no other reason than the violence of
the exposure in the in the Formula Ford
the Formula Ford is so old school that
literally the car stops at my elbows and
the whole upper half of me is out in the
wind yeah and on the end of the front
straight when you're doing over 100
miles an hour it's just you it it's just
it's just me going 100 miles hour
feeling like I'm I'm like the front of a
semi and your helmet does that thing
that it does on a motorcycle where it's
almost getting pulled off because you
Dar to turn your head a micron you know
I mean it was just I did that the F2 car
and the wind is coming straight at your
helmet don't do that and because of the
shape the egg shape of it if if you turn
turn just a little bit just sucks your
helmet on was violent in the Formula
Ford at over 100 milph to the point that
I actually went around one corner and
caught a crosswind and got my head like
tilted so just the spec racer Ford uh
just the the air of that the arrow of
that was so much better I would go with
that could a car manufacturer be able to
have a livery from Factory as an option
nemoto asks if so which
manufacturer I think that Hyundai is
certainly up and coming but as far as a
livery you have to take into
consideration sales and even though that
would be pushed to the after Market
department for a car company to invest
in a livery say taken from their race
team are they popular enough and are
they winning enough to make it a popular
option to to justify the sales I'm
always looking at in terms of a a
business but of course I want car
companies just to make stuff regardless
whether it costs them money and we
benefit or not us enthusiasts I mean but
Hyundai would be great but if it's
something that may be pulled from Lama
but of course that's what Porsche
already does you can order the martini
racing Livery on some their higher in
cars but at that point why not just have
a custom Livery from your favorite team
from your favorite you know other team
on your car I I suppose yeah Hyundai and
Kia would Kia would be up there Pau
because they've got Lama history Toyota
certainly it'd be fun to pull Toyota
Livery onto say the manual Supra and
really you know kind of deck that out
that'd be interesting I think gonna
happen for sure I would imagine
somebody's going to do that yeah yeah uh
people are asking about the uh some of
these shirts the fast faster and
furiouser that shirt is awesome and I
think we're going to try to get it back
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everything else interesting questions
I'm looking back at our original list
before people jumped
over do we think Toyota and Subaru are
becoming the next Hyundai in Kia a
question from Elliot
Manning I suppose so I I think Toyota is
doing their own thing with Motorsports
and for for them to be considered the
new Hyundai
Kia they would have to push more into
Enthusiast offerings despite Hyundai
Kia's excellence in just about
everything they produce but think about
this hyund and Kia do not have a bespoke
sports car like a super like a gr86 even
Subaru the WRX is still has that history
we consider it more in the kind of
Enthusiast car even though there's not a
a current STI flavor of that but I think
I don't know that they can be compared
to to Hyundai and key I still think
their quality is just as high and and
for them to kind of push doing their own
thing I I think they're they're well
sorted but Hyundai and Kia are if they
had some kind of cool Fun sports car if
that were coming now that they've got
the family plan all sorted out for how
many people are in your family you know
they've got all that sort of out sedan
minivan what do you need we've got that
but man can you imagine I mean they've
teased us with a lot of Concepts but uh
but nothing yet Taylor is asking Civic
type I'm trying to reread this question
I get the impression Taylor you're
asking Civic Type R as only single car
or by a used fourth gen indd Miata and a
daily I think it depends on how you're
going to use them if the great thing
about having the Miata is you get the
really good rear wheeel drive Dynamics
if you're a guy that wants to take
weekend drives for fun if that's who you
are then having that used in De Miata I
say get one though you could just daily
that if you fit just daily that just
call that the car uh because the problem
is are you going to wind up in a da that
you really don't like and then only
drive the me out on the weekends of
course we want you to be in a daily car
that you actually love as well so if
you're going to be a guy that's only
going to commute than Civic Type R
you're going to find the occasional
funroad than Civic Type R all the time
but if you if you having rear wheeel
drive is key I think to your growth as a
as a driver so I would say certainly do
that there was another one was really
good a second ago oh here we go Ben 865
stage is the 370Z going to be a
collectible in the next 10 years
37 the 37 only potential collectible
ones will be the ones that have no
mileage otherwise no full stop because
they've made them for too long it was
the 40th and 50th Anniversary Z car
they've made them forever the difference
between the ones when they first came
out in like 09 and now is minimal it's
like small styling changes and little
tiny tweaks they're essentially the same
car they've made so many for so long
that if you have the one that's wrapped
in plastic here's here's the the play
the Nismo version late model Nismo
wrapped in plastic no miles that'll be
worth something everything else is just
a zc car yeah right Mark Cooper asked if
we're surprised the Mazda 6 just got
axed and didn't get the sendoff
treatment like the CX9 if Mazda updated
the technology remov the Chrome strip in
the back it would look sharp certainly
but again keep in mind car companies
have a predetermined shelf life for a
model when that goes It goes unless
there's a bunch of them on a boat in the
Atlantic Ocean and the boat sinks and
they have to turn the production line
back on separate problem there's still a
script in that but we'll come back yeah
have you told everybody your script on
the podcast no I'm not going to I think
it's well you've alluded to it that that
it's kind of there is a script in that
for sure but I'm not going to talk about
itess it's out there somewhere yeah but
that that came to the end of its product
life cycle and if they got out the the
sales numbers out of it what they needed
and projected or close to then it just
goes especially now because I think
every car manufacturer is not just doing
the next generation of vehicle just like
we've had for 30 years you can count on
the next three series you can count on
the next cclass that will come the next
Mustang we're already seeing renderings
the next Mustang is coming how much more
are they going to do to it the next 911
appeared and it guess what looked like a
911 it's crazy how that happens yeah but
if Mazda's doing a product line shakeup
if they're going to introduce something
different that will be a different
architecture different Power Trin that
they need to stop this and replace it
with something to fill that sales Niche
but it's totally different they can't
call it the X Mazda 6 if they're doing a
nomencl name change it can't just be
that's the new Mazda 6 but it's not
called the six it's just the 60
something they're adding a zero to the
back of everything they're doing that
the new Mazda 60 like the Mazda 6 but
not the Mazda 6 but generally speaking
it really there there's so many things
that affect the product life cycle of
the car we have to look at at cars as
just big expensive products really you
know kick them out the door we want
sales numbers and but actually they have
personality they've got character so to
us you know to us enthusiasts they you
know it's a bit different uh Steve is
asking if we're excited about top gun
Maverick yes more than I can say and I
this is this is a movie that revealed
the fact that I failed my son as a
father because I said to him we need to
see it in IMAX and he said what's IMAX
and I went How would how are what well
it wasn't just you as a father he was a
filmmaker yes I was like how do you not
know what IMAX is we're going to have to
go twice in IMAX just to be like see now
see IMX is now a thing uhhuh Dak 101
asks about the right quick Jack for the
Cayman Dak it's the one I've got it's
the one that has the 5,000 pound
capacity perfectly fine it's excellent
make sure you buy the rubber blocks just
in case there's some clearance issues to
get it up off the surface of the Jack
then you're good it's excellent uh
Skyler's asking a track daily Crush that
I am stumped by the 40s 50s Edition oh
yeah here we go 1959 Cadillac series 62
conver vertible the Tucker the three
light Tucker remember that that actually
had a light that looked into Corners
remember that and the first year
Corvette easy easy oh you got it easy
because I will say the problem with the
first year Corvette is that it had no
seat belts and that was one of the more
terrifying drives I've done in my life
because it was all me up here like the
formula 4 to no se Bel and the steering
wheels just right in your lap yes there
was nowhere there was no tracking that
car so that's problematic what was
what's your answer I'm gonna daily the
Cadillac series 62 I mean come on 59
Cadillac that was the height of the
tailin era your arm over the back of the
seat it's this kind of driving slow yes
and I'm going to track the Tucker
because of the
headlights you're going to night you're
going to 24-Hour Lama track this the
tuck yes because it a different car it
was a different layout it looked
interesting it it was so far ahead of
its time I mean wasn't that far but just
the features that that car introduced I
would track that because the problems
that the that GM had with the very first
year Corvette were not confid confidence
inspiring it that was I just let that go
yeah I can see that that they got better
after that it was a huge design success
we talk about it in American original
design success but then they were trying
to chase the little convertibles out of
out of Europe and they weren't there yet
but they got better and better over time
it was production processes it was
introducing new resin into something
they're used to sheet metal they're used
to stamping yards of sheet Mill they can
do that we got this but doing resin and
you know new techniques and molding I I
would let that go person uh Ben is also
asking when the next road trip piece is
going to be on YouTube let us get
through it first let's do that let let's
have a successful trip to Philly in
those cars it's it's actually supposed
to be like four to six weeks after we
get done but let's get through it for
honestly my brain right now is on road
trip then it's on post but it is coming
very quick see the most beautiful
generation of these three popular cars
from 94 jrose Porche 911 Corvette and
Mustang beautiful most beautiful
generation of all of these cars most
beautiful is the second generation
Corvette I think that is so stunning
yeah that that's aged incredible
starting in 63 all the way to
67 63 to 67 right that's I believe
that's right yeah yeah that was
spectacular you know what you win on
that for sure the 911 is kind of in the
same generation the whole time sorry
almost but as far as iconic design
iconic 911 I'll go with the 3.2 career
the you know late 80s late ' 80s yeah
you see that and you just know 911 I
especially if you do the tail I think
that is definitive 911 styling for sure
the
Mustang is like is the early it's like
the 67 it's like the 67 era Mustang 6768
the proportions changed a touch for 67 I
believe and that was chance is not here
and boy could he tell us yeah he could
Tai is probably also listening because
we drove his those two guys Mustang
while back the early generation but it's
that it's not when it first came out
it's like a couple years later when they
get like late that's really really 66 67
somewhere in there yeah
grade see uh C mazone is saying what's
the format of the Meetup is it mingling
or is there more of a formal question
answer thing going on it is have you
seen how formal we are this is how
formal we are all the time this is as
formal as we get we actually put out
swag that's how formal we get on this no
uh generally it depends on the style of
Meetup generally what it is is it's a
dinner somewhere and we all get together
and we talk cars and there's no format
just sit down have some food talk to the
person next to you we want to talk to
everybody that's there it's very
informal now sometimes if you go on our
pilgrimage trip to uh to Germany and uh
Belgium that obviously has a lot of
driving if you come to our pilgrimage
trip here in Utah that we're going to do
for the second year and it's so much fun
that's two to three days worth of
driving on Epic road so that means you
have driving sections where you're with
whoever you brought or you're swapping
cars or whatever and then you have meals
along the way but all those meals are
informal there's nothing to do but just
enjoy yeah greed Alex Smith asking for
our summer Tire recommendations
michelin's not
allowed we've always liked
Kos Kumo are great we've liked some
bridgeston we've tried some Continentals
I had yokoh Hamas years ago and I liked
them they just got eaten up really
quickly that might have been because of
the driving I was doing well I had 200
treadwear Yokohama 0 52s on my Lotus and
they were spectacular bubble gum oh your
car is they were gone yeah yeah those
were really good but uh yeah you first
you you've got to figure out what kind
of driving are you going to be doing
that will dictate whether you go full
ultra high performance or you're backed
off a notch and that can save you some
money as well uh we're gonna have to
close this down fairly soon but we
wanted to go a little bit extra because
of course we got started late thank you
guys for jumping over to the second feed
so little a few little reminders oh
here's a new thing I didn't we haven't
talked about this before we have talked
about it right now the thing we're
adding this
week oh the thing we're adding this week
starting this is podcast 700 thank you
for the and we are starting something
that I honestly I don't have your name
in front of me and I'm sorry but one of
you had this idea and you mentioned it
and others piled on and we are now going
to do it you've seen enough evidence we
have a podcast that drops on Tuesday
okay now on Wednesdays we're going to
have another podcast drop that will be
an audio only feed of something off our
test drive Channel which obviously has
kind of a a test drive Pardon Me podcast
kind of style to it anyway so if you are
a person who only consumes this show as
a podcast you will be able to hear the
audio of a back test drive on Wednesdays
and then we will continue to have
YouTube drops on Thursdays and another
podcast on Fridays and when we're doing
TV we then have a TV show on Saturdays
so there's a lot but the point is we're
adding something on Wednesday that will
will come to your podcast feed if you've
already seen the test drive you want to
listen to it I get it but if your person
only consumes that way you'll now have
an audio only feed of old test drives
that's starting this week we started to
do we decided to do it right after the
700 and we're going to do that going
forward we got a lot of back catalog we
can get through so plan on those for
Wednesdays assuming we don't forget
because that's an ad Dak 101 thank you
for the confirmation we've seen a lot of
that from people who have a YouTube
video just playing on their phone while
they're driving obviously they're not
watching it let's hope they're not
please don't but that has been
confirmation for us they're treating it
like a podcast so it's easy to strip the
audio out and just post it as an audio
only format just post the audio only and
uh we'll have those as a 15 20 minute
special episode you can just listen to
our our uh our banter on that but since
we're in car recording that it's like
we're in the car with you as you're
driving it's kind of fun so we're we're
excited to to introduce those any uh
thoughts on what car we could start with
we have such a backlog at this point i'
I've thought of the Civic SI right now
I've thought of starting there but we
could start really anywhere I think we
could do the the Genesis gv70 we've been
talking about it a lot L recently just
came out so that probably be a good one
but we will have many many of them if
you have a request for a car and we've
done it we can certainly work that into
the rotation for Wednesdays so that is
coming again we have a new TV season
starting the first Saturday of July
that'll be on the Motor Trend cable
channel following shortly thereafter to
Amazon Prime and Vimeo and then it will
come to YouTube meted out this coming
Thursday is something from last season
season 10 that is the Honda Civic SI the
latest gen of that the the 11th gen I
believe if I'm not mistaken and the
eighth gen of the GTI those put together
on an amazing Road in Southern
California that's a really cool piece
from season 10 and shortly after that is
one of our favorite epodes never coming
but coming this week is uh Civic versus
uh GTI that's this week so expect that
on the main Channel we are cranking out
test drives generally test drives are
every single Thursday but right now
we're doing every other Thursday because
we're trying to finish season 11 before
I fall over in front of the edit machine
we're all working very hard chance is
with us too and Paul is it's all
Hands-On deck so that's awesome guys
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July of this year middle of July of this
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lots more hair so that's going to be
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Celebrating their 700th episode, the hosts share their exhilarating experience of driving an F1 car at Gio's Garage, reflecting on the dangers of the sport's past. They discuss upcoming road trips, including a journey to Radwood Philly, and tackle listener questions about affordable enthusiast cars, the new manual Supra, and the design of the latest BMW 2 Series. With a mix of humor and insightful commentary, they explore the nuances of car ownership, track days, and the excitement of vintage racing, while also teasing future content and meetups.
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