978: Buttons Are So Good, Why Can’t We Have Pretty Things, Afraid Of The Viggens

hi everybody this is podcast 700 post

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many of you are asking questions already

and we're going to go for about an hour

maybe a little more because we just now

got started I cannot believe we've done

700 podcasts yeah I can't believe it

either guys thank you for joining us I

am still on a huge High I know you are

too from the week we just had in

Washington with our friends at Gio's

garage if you haven't heard that podcast

with Richard and Nick Grio we were in

Richard's office and we came away

driving an actual F1 car so we started

with Formula Ford then we went to an F2

car which is a Formula Atlantic Car in

the states the difference is in Europe

those F2 cars are fuel injected in uh

the states they are uh carburated so

then we move to an actual Formula 1 car

and we're still talking about this

experience and about the era because I

started of course looking up the drivers

that particular car has its own

Wikipedia page started looking up

drivers and you know that was the era of

gnarly crashes and bad things happened

but they were truly Heroes and so I'm

just I can't believe we drove these cars

so that will be a TV episode called the

road to F1 for season 11 and we've got

all the footage and we're still reeling

from this event so well you and I were

talking about it earlier the big problem

is the fact that this was the really

really dangerous era of of F1 the really

dangerous you know where your feet are

up at the front wing and the the cars

feel like they're made of paper and it

was one of those things where when I was

out of the car all of that dawned when I

was in the car thankfully I forgot

because there was so much going on I was

like I really got to drive now so uh

yeah anyway uh Ryan stamp was asking are

the cars ready for their long trips to

the east coast you notice we are both

wearing our radwood shirts oh yeah which

are the shirts that are celebrating the

fact we're about to go Way Way East all

the way from here to the Atlantic

because that seems like fun we're going

to go to the Subaru Park event for

radwood Philly we are leaving soon we

are taking a massive road trip we have

funny things planned along the way we're

very very excited we are we are headed

out there many of you are going to meet

us for the Meetup uh Friday night prior

we're very excited about that as well

because there's a ton of you coming

which thank you for that the cars are as

ready as they're going to be that's all

I know to say sitting on battery tender

yep Ready be yep well Chris W Chris

Wesson the format for questions is all

car questions as a matter of fact the

every 25 is when we 25 and 75 25 and 75

is when we get into the non-car

questions the the dig deep kinds of

questions but yeah these are all car

questions starting off on on the prior

list from Steve maragani has a tough

question because of how difficult it is

to find new Enthusiast cars and buy them

at a reasonable reasonable price what

sub $5,000 used car would you buy and

spend $10,000 or more fixing up I would

buy a $155,000 car that's what I would

do that's actually a great point Sorry I

was cheating yeah well here's my other

cheat and that is go older to buy an

Enthusiast car that is rough because if

you're going to put that kind of money

into a car it better not just be on

brakes and suspension and dumb stuff

okay it needs to be on restoring the car

making it run bringing things back to

life in an original way I mean if you're

saying $10,000 plus dollars now I know

there are very few vintage cars for

$55,000 but my thinking is if you're

going to pour a bunch of money into a

car let's get it an older one that is in

rough shape and get it back to its Glory

Days and back to where it was to

preserve cars rather than buying some

kind of middle of the road I mean you

could do a Mini Cooper pop to mind but a

middle of the road Mini Cooper and then

spending 10 grand to make it amazing why

don't just buy a better Mini Cooper yeah

I mean you could get I know the always

the answer is always you could get an

old used Miata you could get an old BMW

Z3 or Z4 we've proven that uh and they

and they still you recently had a had a

buddy you knew that bought what did he

buy that Z3 for it was less than five

grand oh yeah that that was uh friend of

the show Dane yeah yeah whose friend

just picked up a 150,000 mile Z3 in

Kansas yeah and they found it from the

original owner I believe sold a lot of

miles but the car was Top Shape Seven

Grand 7500 bucks yeah so I think those

those old convertibles are worthwhile I

mean you could be really scary and find

yourself an old Alpha Romeo Spider from

the 80s then you're a two find one of

those and then spend at least 10 grand

but I think the better the better call

is to just to spend a little more money

plus in this market right now you're

going to need 10 grand to get something

that feels like our $8,000 challenge

which is crazy to say but that's still

going on I have a question here that

came in from Twitter uh Mr McGill cuty

asked this question ahead of time and I

am still pondering it so I have to bring

it up the manual Supra his question is

what is our speculation on why Toyota is

retrofitting an inhouse six-speed and

not using the BMW unit and I'll tell you

why I think it is okay first off we're

thrilled they're doing a manual so thank

you to

we it uh Toyota is sick ofing from us

we've told how much we want to be in

that car uh couple things going first

off remember that Toyota has gotten

nothing but grief about the fact that

there's a BMW underneath so anything

they can do to separate the two I think

is to their benefit also if you've ever

driven a BMW and you've driven lots of

other cars all BMW shifters feel the

same but I don't think they feel very

good they are more rubbery in feel they

the cable than other cars make manual

transmissions there are other

transmission fields that are better now

people that are BMW enthusiasts will

tell you that's how manual transmission

is supposed to feel because they all

feel that way but Porsche does better

Mazda does better Toyota has done better

Honda does way better so I think Toyota

putting one of their transmissions and

their transmission feel into that car

I'll give you another example the

six-speed in the 86 chassis is different

than the one in the Subaru

WX because that's a Subaru transmission

and Toyota made sure their six-speed

felt better so I think it's the same

thing going on they want to

differentiate that car from the BMW and

they want to make the shifter feel like

a Toyota shifter and not a BMW shifter

and we're very excited yeah well just to

add a little bit to that is TOA has

indicated that they have put research

every car Enthusiast the way the super

manual is presented we're under the

impression that it's just bolt right up

and kick it out there and get it out

there and they are enthusiasts too they

want it to be right before they actually

reveal it and put it out there for

consumer consum

we we want that to be right I me

weighted shift knob there's a lot of

thinking behind it so if they're going

to compete and they're going to bring

the big dog they knew it had to feel

right so that just bodess well in my

opinione I agree I think it's gonna be

great all right I'm looking at both

lists of questions I'm trying to harvest

three list going at once it's great all

right go if you've got something um man

there's so many um favorite thing about

the Kos James is asking hi James you

know who that is if I'm right that's

James from throttle house oh it is James

if that picture is correct hi James hi

Jes welcome good to see you um let see

favorite thing about the Kos have you

guys driven it yet I don't remember I

honestly don't remember if you driven or

not so so jump in and say that I

actually think the best thing about it

is being seen in

it we were told that by the owner of the

the car that we drove and it stuck out

in our minds that when he told us he

would rather be looking at it in instead

of in the car that's true that actually

was right in line with what everybody

who saw that car you know it was parked

while we were shooting and people would

drive by and ask if that's the latest

Ferrari and we're thinking no it's a

30-year-old Lamborghini and yeah yeah

that's nothing to do with that he says

he says they're driving it tomorrow the

thing is it's one of those cars that I

think a lot of the Exotics of that era

we're driving more and more of them for

our cars of the past series is one of

those cars that uh the driving Dynamics

on a lot of those Exotics of that era

have not aged well because it was that

era when Exotics it was okay for them to

drive badly because they were so crazy

and now nobody accept that you can't a

McLaren a Porsche a Lamborghini they're

expected to drive really well and be

usable plus be weird that was allowed to

just be weird it was that era so the

pedals are in a weird spot and the

seating position but it's got those

weird Arc seats that are surprisingly

comfortable but you look at them and go

what is going on there that's because

your back is contorted into a position

that's never been your back to like a

weird fetal position yeah so the thing

is driving it I I always felt like I

didn't want to push it really hard now

we also had a very nervous owner on our

hands we did and that owner was with us

in the passenger seat so we said yes of

course but it was one of those things

where I think being seen in it is the

magic being seen with it is the magic

because it it creates such an impression

on everybody that sees it that you kind

of enjoy that versus something like I'll

go with a Miata something like a Miata

is not something that anybody's oh my

gosh there a guy of Miata nobody cares

but you as the driver are getting all

the enjoyment it's the exact reverse

James I will also say the doors I'm

curious about the build quality from

that era of cars because they were so

bespoke almost they were built and when

I had the uh the door open like Todd's

doing I would wiggle the door just to

see our car felt really solid I was

really impressed with the build quality

even though it's you know two frames in

some places and and built in other

places and symmetry is overrated and I

was so impressed so I I look at things

like build quality and how panel Gap

fitments are and you know I suppose you

have to give it a pass but uh hope you

guys enjoy and so thrilled you guys are

uh jumping on here appreciate you

joining what else do you have I've got

some design questions on the two series

I've seen a couple of them please jump

yeah aash says our thoughts on the new

two series and the look

particularly as a matter of fact we've

got one right now and shooting an

episode it will be primarily for

YouTube but I'm intrigued with this car

and I will say that Todd and I racked

our brains as far as what car this

competes against in the marketplace

because it has grown it's heavier it's

got more power than the first M2 when

the M2 came out this car has 20 or 25

more horsepower than that M2 and it's

over 3,800 lbs all-wheel drive only

automatic transmission so the

proportions have changed and to me it's

gone more Grand Touring instead of the

real compact lightweight sports car kind

of thinking it's it's grown almost as if

BMW is has done that deliberately to

introduce something just underneath it

that is a true small driver's car not

the two seies grand Coupe hatch nothing

like that but it's slightly bigger now

and therefore leaving room and you know

that BMW is the king of the niche models

and it's almost like the 1.5 series or

somewhere in there where they could do

some sort of lighter weight this is the

true you know welcome to BMW kind of car

I'm intrigued by that I hate maybe they

don't but the car is bigger heavier than

ever before it's significantly bigger so

on to The Styling what do you do to a

classic Coupe shape to give it

distinctive BMW lines BMW has the

surfaces nailed I think they're doing

excellent and what we're seeing is like

the Toyota like the F FRS issue the

first gen had very distinctive

headlights and tail lights and people

love that the most that's what this new

generation of bmw2 Series has the

headlights and tail lights are very

distinctive whether you like them or not

you're looking at those you're not

looking at the body sides the body sides

are very clean and simple you're looking

of course at the grill the headlight the

eyes of the car and of course the tail

lights and that's defining the car along

with those longer proportions more to

come as far as the the detailed design

review but as far as surfaces very

simple it's a classic GT car shape it's

a it's a saloon it's I can't believe how

simple the side is and how busy the ends

are I have much to say and I'm not even

the design guy but

yeah all right let's

see lots of

questions I'm just glad we're on and you

can hear us agree exciting uh let's see

Chris has a n n pardon me 2007 997.1 4S

with 100,000 plus miles on it $40,000

the motor replaced by the prior owner

he's still taking to the track and

ripping it up is he an idiot it's going

to cost money but he but he cannot use

it as intended

um I mean why not use it look if you're

not Precious Chris then I think the fact

that you're tracking it is wonderful the

concern that I have with that 103,000

mile car is you're getting to the place

where okay 40,000 on the motor is great

and crazy that the last owner replaced

it but you're getting that place where

other stuff is going to wear out and

break it's not going to be the motor

that's going to go first it's going to

be something else so where is the place

at which you can't tolerate that I love

that you're driving it I love that

you're driving it hard is there a

monetary amount or is there a number of

times it asks you for something how

needy is it that was the thing with my

faten is every single month it was like

excuse me I need stuff you know and so

that's what I mean we had it for a year

either way that's what got annoying if I

had kept it so what is your tolerance

level because I think what's going to

happen is you're going to start seeing

other things around that engine break

because of high mileage and your steady

track usage I I love that you're using

using it uh the other question I would

have Chris is send us a send us an email

send us a car debate what are you

pondering next if you have no idea what

to do next keep beating on the 911 but

if you have a I'd like to go here then

why not get out of the 911 before it

does something catastrophically like

what

like you with the Porsches that cost

some money with a lot Paul Williamson

thank you for jumping on thank you we

really appreciate it we're still amazed

that 700 episodes of us doing this and

to us there's no end in sight we we're

just amazed that we can and get to do

this and get to do this with you guys so

thanks for all your questions I've got

one up here from Bruce boom uh boom with

who says with 15 years of content do we

have an index all of the vehicles do we

have an index of the vehicles that we've

discussed if someone wants to hear our

thoughts on the Porsche Cayenne can they

immediately go to those episodes we have

talked about a variety of ways to do

this and what it would look like but the

answer is no we don't have a single

source of the truth you know like flip

to

Cayenne but of course verse one chapter

one exactly sayth thee about the Cayenne

Lo it is better than you expect scroll

anyway yeah you can of course on YouTube

find the families from the manufacturers

so we group all the types of videos into

the various family categories from each

manufacturer that is a good way to to

see things very quickly

but not all well at this point not all

of the TV episodes are up there some was

pulled from the initial TV episodes were

pulled from uh first generation YouTube

content and those videos still exist but

it's really the only searchable way not

necessarily the Cayenne the the simplest

search is actually the main YouTube

channel go to the channel not anywhere

else just go to the channel and use the

search bar on the channel and you can

act like all my Cayenne videos you can

find them there even though that does

have playlists and many of them have

playlists the difficulty with our

content is the fact that spread

elsewhere because for example our icon

film that one BMWs right the Corvette

film the 911 film major discussion about

all those Generations that isn't

actually anywhere on YouTube so that

makes it a little bit harder of course

the podcast is not searchable in this

way this gets hard but thank you for

wanting that I honestly think the

simplest answer is to search the YouTube

uh Jordan's question yeah hey man how

are you you we've come through Park City

before it's good to see you oh by the

way Jordan I'm calling you out

I'm pretty sure you know Brian's

questionable decisions and the next time

he's in Park City we want him on this

podcast please connect the dots for

definely we saw the photos on his

IG spot yes but Jordan just took some

pictures with him so I'm I'm connecting

the world I'm trying I'm trying for that

it' be a cool guest favorite road trip

you've ever

done I think and we've done some cool

ones and we're about to do and this may

be topped because the West Coast one was

awesome I loved it we have some ahead of

us we don't know if they're going east

it's going to be crazy we're going north

to Montana and Wyoming Greatest Hits

there it's going to be great even our

Texas trip I'm excited about we got a

lot of stuff with cards of the past I'm

going to say to this point I actually

think it's the one I did last summer in

the Lotus with my son I was wondering if

it was 1400 miles in Lotus lease which

on Headline is not something you should

do that sounds terrible, 1400 miles in a

Lotus Elise please don't do that okay

but we hit Greatest Hits roads it was

supposed to be a family vacation and for

other reasons it became a just Father

and Son vacation cool we did the best of

Utah in that in that car and I will say

to this to this moment my son taught me

something on that trip I think I've

mentioned before we went through one of

the best parts of Highway 12 if you come

on Utah meet up you can do it with us

one of the best parts of Highway 12 we

got done yeah and he said something I've

never thought of before okay which was

so stupid because you and I will will

paint roll our way down a road shooting

it right okay and I've driven plenty of

roads and they're great we got through

the best part he looked at me and he

goes can we go back and do it again

that's great boom I was like that's

great man we can that was what was so

crazy about that moment I was like yes

yes we can son and so we did certain

sections of it over and over and it was

wonderful because garage said who saw a

guyardo at Walmart this morning what's

the most unexpected place you've seen an

exotic or

Supercar I want to say Monteray and it's

not Monteray it's Selenas when you're at

the Motel 6 and a panta Rolls in you're

like AET of course Monteray but the the

crazy thing about Monteray which is a

moment in time thing yeah go ahe you

will never sit in in traffic with so

many amazing cars stop and go with

something in front of you that's

overheating and something behind you is

overheating and everything around you is

worth millions and everybody's sitting

there stopped trying desperately to keep

their cars moving and they aren't moving

that's the most exotic traffic jam on

the planet for sure I can't remember a

specific time necessarily but it's

because you think all the supercars are

clustered in one place and then when one

leaves the herd you think G why are you

out here what are you doing anyway Derek

is asking if the police will come back

to the podcast you want to tell the Chad

story latest one we had our friend the

sheriff just to set this up we had our

friend Chad who is a local sheriff was

on here before it said the police are

here is the name of the podcast and he

has as answered some amazing questions

from a perspective of an officer but as

you know and he may be listening now

he's a big fan of the show and he's

followed for a long time he listens in

his patrol car which is now an

undercover red Tundra yeah so Chad's

fairly high up in the local sheriff

department so he's now in a red Tundra

with the lights in the grill so we know

about Chad but he sent you a text that

started a ridiculous conversation

recently well he sent me some photos

along with a text and Chad I really

appreciate you sending because he was

waiting in to go into the tunnel car

wash with the scratchy brushes there was

a 992 911 ahead of him now for Chad to

take the company issued the county

issued truck through it's the truck it's

the police truck fine but for a 992 911

to go into a tunnel was deliberately is

very strange and Chad just happened to

be right behind him and after they both

exited the tunnel wash Chad pulled him

over for not speed

shining he sent me photos he popped the

lights and pulled this guy over and the

guy's like what' I do he's in the drying

lot going what happened how did I

possibly speed or do anything yeah so he

pulled him over for not speed shining

and he promptly told him about the show

and he said this guy was very nice I

said Well Chad you're huge and you're

also an officer everybody is nice to you

yes who isn't nice to you so apparently

he was informed he know now knows about

guo's garage products knows to not take

his 992 through the tunnel wash and it

made me hurt a little bit and you know

everybody has their thing and that's

your car it's not mine but still Chad

was right to do this and he made an

example and so hopefully he's this man

has discovered there was no ticket given

we hope he discovered Grio but what I

want to know of course which we'll never

know is what did this person tell

significant other when he got home

you'll never believe this honey he's

never been pulled over for not speech I

that is ridiculous way we went to dinner

with Nick uh and Richard after our F1

experience and I told them that story

and I showed them the photos and they

laughed they couldn't believe it

happened yeah they were really they they

had fun with Michael Roode have I

totally lost my mind for putting a Chevy

LS engine in a 91 Miata and to daily

drive it along with occasional

autocross two thoughts here Michael

first

off that's borderline too much motor for

that car and I am a guy that I like

things that are not overly powerful I

like things that feel like they're

balanced and that's going to be an awful

lot of motor for that car I hope you're

doing other things around the motor not

just big motor and everything else is

stock worry about brakes worry about

suspension visit the folks at flying

Miata make sure you get that entire car

dialed around that motor so it's not

just overwhelming if you get it dialed

drive it

always to the store to work in traffic

autocross track days if you get it set

up right it should be the daily for sure

by way do you fit you hopefully you fit

anyway yeah great na'vi benal says Todd

would you would he be an idiot to place

his faith in a 10-year-old Chevy uh

Camaro V8 or Mustang or Challenger with

a stick shift with 100,000 miles his

last stick shift was in 1996 marudi

Suzuki's Z something's pending on that

car think so 100,000 mile Chevy V8 I

mean it's 10 years old 100,000 Mi

shouldn't be too much of an issue unless

you know

everything will be available and cheap

for that car but something once it goes

but something is waiting right I just

feel confident about that Forerunner for

Life 98 has already scrubbed off the

tires after 8,500 miles on his 2022

Tesla Model 3 what new TIR should you

buy well if you don't have NOK and

haapus for winter we recommend that but

they do have a very good all-weather

Tire you should investigate what tires

from every manufacturer that are

specifically for electric cars and it's

been interesting because we've been

having conversations about this with a

lot of different manufacturers and that

is they're going after specific electric

car built tires because you're a lot

heavier and you're doing the same kinds

of driving techniques with a car that

weighs 1,500 pounds more than a car

you've been used to so absolutely those

tires are made for the cars go go pursue

what whatever your favorite Tire brand

is but we do recommend Nokian we've had

a lot of great luck with and they've

come alongside us for this cars of the

past series they are on our cars and

we're going to be taking those all

weather and we've had you know back up

in Seattle in the winter and summertime

driving as well so they are a high

performance all- weather Tire we like

those a lot Chris austerman hey Chris

how are you when are you guys driving

the new Z now that much discussion has

happened here at everyday driver about

the new Z because we wanted to drive it

yes and our friends at Nissan wanted us

at the launch and they told us when the

launch was and it was exactly when we

were supposed to go to Grio to drive an

F1 car we made the collective executive

decision F1 car we may never drive again

right Z car they can probably send us in

Utah so we went F1 car having said that

you are you are about to see the

internet flooded I don't remember when

the Embargo is but it's in the next four

or five days 16 May 16th is embargo the

the so that means that morning your

entire feed will be Z car and we will

not be in it and we're bummed about that

but we have one coming to Utah to do a

comparison and to actually drive it the

way we want to drive it on our great

roads it's coming very soon and then the

video will follow that is actually the Z

car will be featured at the end of

season 11 which we're yeah right busily

shooting and editing that's right well

we just wanted more time with the cars

and that's our thing we always want as

much time with them as possible soak

time to drive it but then time to shoot

the car and and of course Come Away with

the footage that we want so that's

always been our thing and and so

launches are great we want to be a part

of it but then yeah as you said when an

opportunity to drive jod sher's Podium

finishing 1978 Formula 1 car that still

I'm that's a bucket list item I hope to

do vintage racing in the future I hope

to do more I want to do more I want to

get used to all kinds of vintage cars

you and I have been a few in a few at

this point and I've just scratched the

surface I've just started to taste

what's possible and I'm floored by what

goes into the maintenance and the care

and feeding of these things the care and

feeding is staggering it's made me want

to do it more I love modern cars but

it's made me want to go vintage even

more it's horrible sure who's paying for

that because it's ason Steve is asking

he says the Carin show which we like

that's Jason kamisa and Friends uh they

declared that the nc3 the last of the NC

generation third generation Miata was

better than the nd2 do we agree or

disagree now first off we have done a

big Miata for car comparo that was with

an

nd1 we both like the NC a lot because we

both

fit that is the thing that makes the NC

exciting to me all the time is that I

just fit if it's a car for me as much as

I like the nd2 and I like it a lot it is

totally undermined for me by the fact

that I just sit there like this the

whole time it hurts so that is

definitely a factor for sure yeah Nick

thank you Nick rers jumped on with he

said just wanted to support he's got a

down payment on a one-owner Honda S2000

ap2 to replace his total STI hatchback

we're very sorry that got total I hope

there was nobody in it and if there was

I hope everybody's okay this will be his

first rear wheeel drive car he

appreciates the content Nick thank you

for the support we that's huge we just

feel like when we meet fans of the show

it's just the instant thing we do is

just start talking cars of course it's

not like hey great to meet you we're

just like instant like hey that thing I

talked to you about on the questions

with the we just just pick up right

where we left I will say that I will say

that if we meet you when we meet you

absolutely please connect the dots for

us because you'll talk to us and you'll

know what we said to you about whatever

question and honestly so many questions

have gone by we don't everybody feel

connect the dots it's always really cool

I do want to say if it's your first rear

whee drive car Nick you need to do some

autocross and or just some parking lot

fun on your own find the Dynamics of

that car at the edges so you know the

understandings of it the ap2 was a

little less over steer heavy uh tin

prone than the AP1 but those are

fantastic cars also you're coming out of

an STI hatchback which is Turbo that is

non-turbo you're going to have a totally

different Power band that you're

probably going to struggle with

initially so just give that car a chance

to play to its strengths and and also go

somewhere where you can really ring it

out so you understand it see borika has

a what would be the next logical car you

had a 1991 Mazda Miata now he's got a 96

BMW Z3 what should he get next when he

sells Z3 why sell the Z3 those are

awesome they are good yeah but here's

your track record you're staying small

and lightweight and gr86 is the next for

you I think unless he goes and then he

needs a boxer certainly boxer if if you

want to stay convertible but gr86 we've

had questions uh let's see anzar is

asking about the gr86 should he test

drive a car that he has no intent of

owning or plan on owning in a few years

intends to own a gr86 as a fun weekend

car but he's not sure if he should test

drive the gr86 now I say do it now test

drive so you know and Come Away with

you'll either confirm everything and

you'll love it or you'll think you know

what I didn't fit well or I didn't quite

like the interaction of something and I

I thought it was going to be really good

and didn't really turn out that way

I say drive it now and that will only

help you with your decision don't wait

to drive something if you've got that

opportunity don't wait Chris Simmons

he's got a question here about adding a

weekend car he said he sees a lot of low

mile lowc cost Pontiac Solstice are they

wor worth it the solai is that the Sol

you definitely need to go drive one but

watch our cars under $8,000 because

that's in there compared to all of its

competitors and you can see us talk

about it that was a fantastic first gen

I wish GM had done a second gen of that

car because I think it would have been a

serious competitor it's like 90% a

serious competitor it is worth it

there's a question here from Skyler as

well he started watching us when he was

too young to drive it's been a while

it's it's been a while yeah MH yeah

there there's there's a there's a whole

thing about our 50th Anniversary coming

up so uh that's gonna be crazy yeah Dan

L jumps on thank you so much for the the

700 congratulations he says uh he's got

the Miata recommendation a few hundred

episodes ago a few hundred episodes ago

any chance of a Dallas Texas Meetup soon

also is Grio Ceramic spray okay as the

only product when you detail every week

yes it is obviously you know make sure

your Surface Prep is good to start with

but then the Ceramic spray it already

has waxes in it and it's designed for

that consistent detail every week so I

definitely highly recommend that but

chance of a Dallas Texas Meetup soon our

Austin radwood trip was thwarted due to

weather in Austin we were happily

Trucking there we were going to make it

and we had to turn around so obviously

rad W in Austin was rescheduled for late

April and then I think there's another

one in October that we're shooting for

but that's also back in Austin that's

right now the closest uh Texas location

that we've got planned we we are going

to do Austin and we will probably do a

Meetup many of you the last time we were

in Austin came down from Dallas we hope

you will come down for that because we

will definitely do a Meetup when we come

to Austin in the fall right now we have

to do east coast and then North because

because the great thing about going

south is we can go south when it starts

snowing here yeah it's true but uh we

did it already but it started snowing in

Austin and then so they canceled Redwood

but anyway Rich krnel says Honda and to

Hoyer combined for the legendary McLaren

engine yes they did which watch

manufacturer would tie in with the

Porsche engine for Paul's ultimate F1

watch Porsche nerdgasm wake up Todd when

I'm done yes please I am currently

falling asleep yes Wake Me by the way on

our recent patreon call with our board

member patrons Rich corrected me I was

pronouncing the John trell's name the

famous tril formula team and by the way

it was jod sheer who drove that six

wheel tal car and that was astounding

anyway so the perfect watch I admit I'm

definitely a tutor fan but I'm also uh

an IWC fan as well and certainly Bell

and Ross but I yeah maybe not maybe it's

not tog Hoyer anymore the problem is

Porsche Design is doing their own

movements now so it it would be

weird it would be weird if Porsche

Design didn't provide their own

movements for the special design watch

because they have gotten away from

sourcing ETA movements and Valu

movements they are just doing their own

movement now and that makes sense it

goes into all their products now

especially the watch designed for the

GT3 and the GT3 RS special editions they

have their own movement look my watch

but I'm not wearing one yeah I I just

say yeah just just use that one any

chance of a NorCal Meetup I've seen that

question come by a couple times uh

nothing on the calendar yet but we know

we have to get back out there we've done

some stuff in that area without doing

meetups so we're aware of that reality

uh I've got a question from earlier

today with all the press this is figgy

Mark I think it was Instagram with all

the Press cars we drive and the trips

we're doing in the cars of the past how

many miles per year do we actually put

on the Lotus and the Cayman this was the

reason I took my big road trip last year

we were just talking about this because

I realized last year when we had the the

I had my Z4 and we had everything else

going on and also last Summers when I

bought the 300 ZX I realized if I wasn't

careful I would put like 2,000 miles on

that car which is better than zero but

not nearly enough so that's why I plan

that road trip and the average right now

is about four to 5,000 miles a year and

when you consider everything else I'm

kind of glad we put that many on but it

it this sounds crazy to enjoy that car

that much and not put more miles on it

but it's just the matter I mean there

have certainly been times when I could

drive the Lotus and I want to drive the

Lotus and I need to drive the Lotus but

I have to drive this minivan for test

drive that's not that exact our job is

awesome but that's a moment when you

just kind of go dang it so I drive the

minivan because we need to talk but then

we get to do things like the carnival

the carnival we always surprise

ourselves when uh when we end up driving

a minivan and make some fun of it so

yeah let's see Michael Walsh asks me

more watch questions what do I think of

the new tutor black Bay Pro I think the

size is too small I wish they did the

bronze version instead of 39 millimeters

I like 41 I like 42 I've had 44

millimeters and they're just a touch

they're up there like the Top Gun idbc

but the pro as good as that looks it

looks like a Rolex Explorer would you

not agree but I think 39 millimeters I

believe is too small I like 40 41

somewhere in there I think that's just

the Sweet Spot anyway onwards yeah doing

lots of watch questions Kelly is asking

if we heard anything back from YouTube

about our open letter I look that was

sent to YouTube directly to their

recommendations before it was an open

letter oh yeah you still haven't heard

anything I don't expect they'll ever

respond yeah uh and and the and the

thing it's it's a tradeoff you know our

friend Matt Farah has been talking a lot

about the fact that he's just embracing

the YouTube algorithm he's call calling

it YouTube face okay and there's certain

ways to do the thumbnails and that kind

of stuff we have we have fought against

that for embracing that but and and the

fact that we're on multiple program uh

platforms allows us to do kind of our

own thing but there is something to be

said for caving to the algorithm because

that's where the money is but I think

YouTube has the ability to prevent us

all from leading ourselves to the lowest

common denominator because this is the

thing that social media does when you

when you're engaging with social media

all the algorithm really wants is you to

engage again so it is going to to lead

you down a path that it thinks you'll

like but that typically is never

elevating what you're looking at I wish

YouTube would create what I kind of

thought up as kind of like the YouTube

Oscars is not a great example but I wish

they would create that so that YouTube

could say this is stuff worth watching

not just what the algorithm says you

should watch but that will require

people if you want to read that open

letter it's on our website under the

YouTube tab but I doubt I'll ever hear a

thing okay so what's the next steps what

do we do you've posted it already I've

gotten suggestions about reposting it on

LinkedIn I'm on LinkedIn a fair amount

yeah yeah should I find somebody who

works for YouTube on LinkedIn I I think

somebody should see it and at least

acknowledge and be like great idea bu I

fully expect somebody YouTube has seen

it but I think maybe but what's the next

after that acknowledgement like good

idea byy now yay you a little nice

little pat on the head thumbs up I'm

going to go a muff I mean I don't know

that there is a there is a way to uh to

get them to acknowledge that matters

other than them doing that and I would

love for them to do it but I don't think

that that's very likely we're going to

continue to have that um that walk

around where we just go okay what do we

want to do what do we think YouTube

wants to watch how can we find a blend

versus just going yay YouTube we'll see

we'll see uh Dennis baros or Deni asks

if I have attempted paint correction

before the most I've gone it's clear

coat correction but the most I've gone

is the heaviest formula from Grio for

really scratch clear coat and it's

fantastic I mean it's brought back stuff

you would think is toast but not actual

I I haven't gone after if you're asking

color sanding or going further than that

I certainly have not you know there's

guys that do it daily in and out but

telling you Grio has the tools to make

stuff you come back you would never

otherwise

think Chris is is asking about would

would we be suspicious of someone

selling their Enthusiast car after a

year of owning It Like Us selling the

gr86 after yeah he says his reasoning

for selling is because he wants to try

other cars he's trying to figure what to

say to a perspective buyer say

that say that okay I mean because that's

going to give them confidence about the

fact that you don't have anything about

the car that you find fundamentally

wrong or broken or hidden you would like

to move on and I think Chris you're

going to need to have an answer for what

you're considering next so that you can

you can be like I've enjoyed this here's

the things I love about it here's the

things I still love about it but I would

like to get a blank nobody's gonna have

a problem with that I think that's

helpful let's see here AIS says

stylistically how do we feel about the

Supra versus the new Z compared to the

matchup of old Titans of

the90s I think what you're seeing is

manufacturing processes I think you're

seeing a manifestation of trying to

figure out how to make a car

faster and cheaper rather than taking

the time to make a more complex stamping

and it's either done in urethane it's

done in injection molding or some kind

of composite material but I will say the

Supra has I believe what we were told is

the largest sheet metal production piece

currently for the hood because of the

because it's a clamshell that lays over

the top almost to uh below the belt line

it is is spectacular and when you look

at that single piece that is an

investment in tooling that's an

expensive piece to get right because

it's so large it gets unwieldy the

larger the piece the harder it is to

hold tolerances and you know Toyota

they're not going to let something leave

the factory you know terrible so having

a piece that large is incredibly

impressive so I I look at complexity of

form but then also how it's made and I

haven't seen the Z yet in person we

still have not we've seen plenty of

photos but it still leans more towards

what your 300Z looks like as far as

simple panels and the complexity is

really in the urethane front end they

had a 240 sitting in the studio and said

how much can we do that new I mean

that's very much the new one right but

that dictates manufacturing the cost you

know how how many times a piece is

stamped whether it's five times to coax

the shape out of it or if it's just

three and so it's a over overbend and

then you know f ing it back and that's

it's Art and Science it's like making

wine you know everybody starts with

grape juice and Thyme why does some wine

taste better than other wine the the

master who's making it you all have the

same ingredients you all have sheet

metal and a giant tool to stamp it I

love that we find a way to watches and

wine in the midst of an allar podcast

somebody ask me movie questions please

save me anyway might be coming that's

unbelievable um Andrew P says what are

our suggestions for lesser known driving

roads if we suggest them they not less

or not I'm just saying the key thing is

Google Maps in your area and find the

squiggles and drop a little guy down and

see if that road is worth it you will be

amazed at some of the stuff we you find

we found another road today that we're

excited about we kept driving it going

this is awesome uh a couple of you are

asking about a generations of the zcar

piece uh 86 Monty is asking for one and

a couple others are asking as well we

would like to we have it in discussion

uh I'm sure others are talking about it

as well we want to do it in this style

which we are known for and nobody else

has really done so we'll see what

happens uh it has to do with getting a

lot of the cars together luckily I own

one we know of a 370 we we can probably

get a new one so we can get some of them

but I want to go all the way back to the

Dodson and get the whole group we'll see

if we can put it together going back

this year is so crammed I'm not sure if

we can do it this year but I want to try

to do it we'll see we'll see it's in

discussion sometimes we fit things in

that we never thought we could do but

agreed Tyler Kenneth Ste Stevens asks me

about design trending

we he remembers us commentating years

ago about design trends that need to go

the time it was about increasing amounts

of fake grills and vents what new trends

do I think are interesting of course

it's the signature Lighting on all the

cars but what I'm confused by is how the

signature lighting for a car for a

particular model is different than its

sibling and I mean massively different

BMW has a good consistency Mercedes is

beginning to have a good consistency but

Kia the K5 GT is completely different

than almost everything else in their

lineup and it was just because the

designers liked it and gave it a little

bit of personality to a otherwise kind

of boring sedan so for car manufacturers

that you could look at this two ways

they have a different signature lighting

for every single car but that doesn't

say family to me that just says the

designers liked it and it was cool

looking but good design can be counter

to one another one piece of furniture in

collection doesn't have to look exactly

like you know a larger version of that

smaller one you can have some elements

from it and push it further so I could

go both ways but I just I keep seeing

the signature lighting I'm like that is

a DOT nope that's a Nissan that looks

like the BMW over here which looks like

the Kia and why is there no consistency

throughout or at least a part of that

element consistent throughout so they do

the big grills so they have room for big

grill big grill so you know which family

it's from more big grills no stop with

the big grills uh let's see there was a

really good question here from Mark

what's the difference between good and

bad body roll he says it seems to him to

depend on if you're in the driver or

passenger

seat every car rolls more than you think

when you're in the passenger seat every

single car on the planet like whoa

you're driving way too fast here you

know that always is the case so the but

the thing is it has to do with how the

car resolves itself at the end of the

body roll and I'll give you a great

example the ND the latest generation

Miata all of them but the latest

generation is kind of extreme has a lot

of body roll you put it next to the gr86

which has very little body roll and you

kind of think wow this rolls quite a bit

but the Miata has a lot of body rooll to

give you the sensations of the car

moving but it's not sloppy it's very

well set up into how it handles the

weight you get into your typical look

it's an obvious low hanging fruit you

get into a typical Minivan and anybody

roll in that feels kind of like a boat

kind of out of control it's it's wallowy

and that's the difference you can have

body roll just fine as long as the car

is taut and holds its holds its line

well if there's secondary motions in the

middle of a corner that is all

bad uh let's see Jordan is giving me a

water break Todd this is direct at you

what is the movie or a movie you wish

you could have been able to work on in

the last 30 years I'm gonna drink water

the problem with working on movies

honestly is the fact that it kind of

ruins them at the time now for Lord of

the Rings I was able to be out front of

it enough that I was able to see some

stuff before I had to really work on it

and that would made it fun

um but that's that's the thing is that

if you work on it often you're kind of

over it so that is a bit of a question

mark is it along the lines of when you

send us uh April Cuts because you've

been sitting in front of the monitor for

too long going chance

Paul watch this am I out of my tree

Unforgiven one of my favorite westerns

ever yeah that would have been awesome

to be involved in Clint Eastwood

throwing down that's a little more 30

years ago but but that that would have

been I that will be my answer right

there what's the movie we were just

talking about uh Ed Harris underwater uh

oh the abyss the abyss yeah the James

Cameron Abyss the stuff you were telling

me about the abyss everything about

working on that was hellish I don't want

to be a part of that but it sounded

amazing Morgan Freeman watch the behind

the scenes on the abyss side note if

you've never seen it it's unbelievable

the stuff they did but Morgan Freeman

and Clint Eastwood at the top of their

game making

Unforgiven yeah whoa yeah I je Hackman's

the villain come on that's my answer

it's

Unforgiven let's see I've got another

design question from Johnny

buroughs uh let's see what would I

consider the drivers of corporate design

language or like corporate grills didn't

really exist 30 years ago certainly

proportion it's always proportion you

look at body side to window height you

look at proportion length of cars cars

just fit in a certain kind of

demographic you know BMWs from 30 years

ago they're quite boxy and square Volvos

you knew what a Volvo looks like that

how again back to manufacturing that's

how car companies differentiated

themselves but simple clean

manufacturing that's just dictated by

how much money the company has to invest

in tooling but you're right it's always

been about the headlights and the

surrounds of headlights it's always the

secondary characters because many cars

just use the same sealed beam H hallogen

you've got the seven inch or 8 inch

rounds or the you know the rectangular

lights but it's that surround that they

have it with and the grills and then of

course the proportion so it was the

stuff that didn't quite cost as much to

do whereas now bodyside stampings all of

that stuff is baked into the cost of the

car and designers have pushed on that

which I'm thrilled to see over the years

designers have pushed on let's invest in

more okay so that's going to take

another step to tool that body side yes

that's more expensive that's more of an

investment what battle can we win with

marketing and the product planners but

then look at the distinctive design and

if it's justified in sales that gives

the designers the next car they do more

clout to say okay look what we did on

this last design and it sold 400,000

units but the marketing department just

wants it to go faster 0 to 60 than last

time that's really the number one thing

they for all the electric cars yeah yeah

uh long block is saying he wants to go

to his first track day he has an nc1 so

an early Miata third gen looking for

either a later Miata third gen or a gr86

is a replacement I'm guessing you're

going to buy one of those two as your

track car that's kind of what I'm

reading in here which do we suggest is

better for first track day I'm going to

say the gr86 mainly because it's going

to feel more powerful than the NC and

also because it's a new life experience

if you have a third gen Miata I don't

want you to get another third gen Miata

for track day get in a gr86 to have a

new experience yeah I like that and I

also think that out of the box just

completely stock the gr86 is a bit

sharper than the Miata is out of the box

now the Miata can be turned into a

weapon no question but I think out of

the box it is a sharper car Chris Wesson

asked me about the Volkswagen ad running

on the Boston area radio that touts the

joyful

to right are we braced for rant because

I feel one coming what would the to need

to do in order to be described by

literally anyone as joyful besides syn

them all by the way Rich came up with an

even better uh hashtag Burning Down The

to yes very good yes that was fantastic

but yes drown them burn them I don't

care but I've been actually confused by

a lot of mixed messaging from the CEO

sorry of Volkswagen sorry I'm just

bracing for about to strap myself in

yeah the mixed messaging is this I just

read a headline saying that the CEO

Herbert said maybe it's you know

electric cars are too soon and they're

you know not quank being adopted by

everybody yet so that's a little bit too

soon here they are fully Allin

that's all we think about Volkswagen now

is forget about all the fun stuff we're

just trying to finish off the

manufacturing and you know amortise our

tooling because this is how many years

we projected to make that car we're just

trying to wait till the end till it's

done kick it out of the way and on to

electrification fine if that's your

business plan stick to it but don't put

a a contrary headline or some sort of

contrary statement out there because now

I'm confused I can certainly see it with

the ID Buzz I think that's excellent it

sticks to that bus kind of flat floor

plenty of space compact proportions yes

all day long but we still like

Volkswagen fun cars to drive where are

those where's the hey we're still

thinking about you enthusiasts in

addition to all the to that are out

there so to make the to

joyful eject eject eject I'm not sure

because I didn't find the build quality

to be where I would expect Volkswagen is

and that's because Volkswagen fusses

over the tiniest radiuses more so they

go so much further in their engineering

and design than almost every car company

I mean it is it is hard to work for

Volkswagen you are under the gun there

there's a lot of high standards and in

many of their products that's reflected

but when I first slammed the door in the

to and I started driving I thought this

doesn't feel like up to their standards

it feels like marketing is desperately

trying to take over to convince all of

us that the to is indeed a good car and

then I was justified that was proven

they had a huge recall on the to Talsen

and you can't find the intuitive button

and it's changed from the Tiguan to the

TA the controls are not in the same

place how long do you guys have tonight

it's going to be a while yeah please on

Matthew is asking me another movie

question thank you favorite driving

sequence in a movie I've mentioned this

before but I'm going to stand on it he

says it doesn't have to to be a chase

scene his is uh opening sequence through

the Big Sir in play myy for me which is

also good there's some other just nice

scenery ones but I will tell you my

favorite car sequence ever because I

think it so encapsulates why cars are

wonderful to drive and it is in the

first Pixar Cars movie of all places my

favorite one is out of an animated film

it's when Lightning McQueen who's only

ever raced winds up doing the back roads

of what's kind of like Monument Valley

okay he does the back road is this the

first cars yes with the girl in the

movie yeah Sally takes him on a drive

and and the whole point of the drive is

not to race and she makes a point she's

like we're just gonna drive and they go

through the pines and they see great

stuff and there's there's actually like

thoughtful camera moves there's there's

a section where the the camera's

tracking through I mean it's all made up

tracking through digital trees to come

across the road right as they're passing

it's really well shot it's well

orchestrated there's scenery it it

encapsulates in like 90 seconds why

driving a great car on a great road is

wonderful in a way that I've never seen

any other movie do I'm going to stay on

that okay see there's so many good

questions scrolling

around there was a question back here

from Mandy who works with us who is the

reason we have cool shirts on blip shift

many many other things Mandy so also if

you haven't met her yet Mandy sets up

all of our amazing meetups including the

Philly one so we always give her many

thanks she's saying I wish there was

some way she's not being subtle she

wishes there was some way that we

enthusiasts that follow the show could

gather outside of a live podcast like

this and it is our Discord which you get

on by being a patron and there are many

of you that are patrons that are on

Discord and there is there's a whole

infrastructure and life and world that

goes on that you and I don't even talk

about we jump on and go I got a lot of

reading to do because everybody's having

these great conversations meetups in

local areas have happened because of

Discord four or five people will get

together and they'll just meet up in

their local area and find great roads I

love that so much it's possible on our

Discord and that's connected through our

patreon and I know Mandy wants me to say

that so there you go Mandy but thank you

for all you

do there is a question about a car we'd

like to go EV I'm I'm scrolling around

trying to find it uh what car that we

would love if it were an

EV uh I'm getting that

wrong see I mean I'm thinking Miata

initially because of where Mazda has

placed the Miata and how long running it

is and if they turn that into an

electric vehicle and they do it right

and it still retains Miata

characteristics that is a Throwdown for

every other manufacturer who wants to do

a fun car in the future that's that will

help it remain The Benchmark whether

they can do this is a question I I don't

know I hope they can I hope they're

working on it behind the scenes or

something smallish to be that platform

uh somebody is asking oh Todd is asking

what's more fun this is interesting the

spec racer Fords we drove in our

three-day race school or the formula

cars we just drove with G's garage now

there's two parts of this Todd and that

is keep in mind that the formula cars we

just drove stepped up we started with a

formula for it's kind of the equivalent

to the spec racer for and then we went

up right so I can't compare the spec

racer fors to the higher grades because

that's just blowing them out but as far

as the spec racer Ford and the uh the

Formula Ford I preferred the spec racer

for no other reason than the violence of

the exposure in the in the Formula Ford

the Formula Ford is so old school that

literally the car stops at my elbows and

the whole upper half of me is out in the

wind yeah and on the end of the front

straight when you're doing over 100

miles an hour it's just you it it's just

it's just me going 100 miles hour

feeling like I'm I'm like the front of a

semi and your helmet does that thing

that it does on a motorcycle where it's

almost getting pulled off because you

Dar to turn your head a micron you know

I mean it was just I did that the F2 car

and the wind is coming straight at your

helmet don't do that and because of the

shape the egg shape of it if if you turn

turn just a little bit just sucks your

helmet on was violent in the Formula

Ford at over 100 milph to the point that

I actually went around one corner and

caught a crosswind and got my head like

tilted so just the spec racer Ford uh

just the the air of that the arrow of

that was so much better I would go with

that could a car manufacturer be able to

have a livery from Factory as an option

nemoto asks if so which

manufacturer I think that Hyundai is

certainly up and coming but as far as a

livery you have to take into

consideration sales and even though that

would be pushed to the after Market

department for a car company to invest

in a livery say taken from their race

team are they popular enough and are

they winning enough to make it a popular

option to to justify the sales I'm

always looking at in terms of a a

business but of course I want car

companies just to make stuff regardless

whether it costs them money and we

benefit or not us enthusiasts I mean but

Hyundai would be great but if it's

something that may be pulled from Lama

but of course that's what Porsche

already does you can order the martini

racing Livery on some their higher in

cars but at that point why not just have

a custom Livery from your favorite team

from your favorite you know other team

on your car I I suppose yeah Hyundai and

Kia would Kia would be up there Pau

because they've got Lama history Toyota

certainly it'd be fun to pull Toyota

Livery onto say the manual Supra and

really you know kind of deck that out

that'd be interesting I think gonna

happen for sure I would imagine

somebody's going to do that yeah yeah uh

people are asking about the uh some of

these shirts the fast faster and

furiouser that shirt is awesome and I

think we're going to try to get it back

up the daily triple shirt needs to come

back we are we just so you guys know we

have got a situation with flip shift

that we really really like where they

typically will do a shirt once and it's

gone and it never comes back we try

especially the ones that you guys like

we try to cycle them back through so

we'll try to keep you informed as to

which ones are live I will admit I'm not

current on what is live this second you

could certainly look it up you can go to

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and you can get get your way to blip

shifter that way but um we try to cycle

all the old ones through so that you can

still get things like daily triple and

faster and furiouser and fluent in and

everything else interesting questions

I'm looking back at our original list

before people jumped

over do we think Toyota and Subaru are

becoming the next Hyundai in Kia a

question from Elliot

Manning I suppose so I I think Toyota is

doing their own thing with Motorsports

and for for them to be considered the

new Hyundai

Kia they would have to push more into

Enthusiast offerings despite Hyundai

Kia's excellence in just about

everything they produce but think about

this hyund and Kia do not have a bespoke

sports car like a super like a gr86 even

Subaru the WRX is still has that history

we consider it more in the kind of

Enthusiast car even though there's not a

a current STI flavor of that but I think

I don't know that they can be compared

to to Hyundai and key I still think

their quality is just as high and and

for them to kind of push doing their own

thing I I think they're they're well

sorted but Hyundai and Kia are if they

had some kind of cool Fun sports car if

that were coming now that they've got

the family plan all sorted out for how

many people are in your family you know

they've got all that sort of out sedan

minivan what do you need we've got that

but man can you imagine I mean they've

teased us with a lot of Concepts but uh

but nothing yet Taylor is asking Civic

type I'm trying to reread this question

I get the impression Taylor you're

asking Civic Type R as only single car

or by a used fourth gen indd Miata and a

daily I think it depends on how you're

going to use them if the great thing

about having the Miata is you get the

really good rear wheeel drive Dynamics

if you're a guy that wants to take

weekend drives for fun if that's who you

are then having that used in De Miata I

say get one though you could just daily

that if you fit just daily that just

call that the car uh because the problem

is are you going to wind up in a da that

you really don't like and then only

drive the me out on the weekends of

course we want you to be in a daily car

that you actually love as well so if

you're going to be a guy that's only

going to commute than Civic Type R

you're going to find the occasional

funroad than Civic Type R all the time

but if you if you having rear wheeel

drive is key I think to your growth as a

as a driver so I would say certainly do

that there was another one was really

good a second ago oh here we go Ben 865

stage is the 370Z going to be a

collectible in the next 10 years

37 the 37 only potential collectible

ones will be the ones that have no

mileage otherwise no full stop because

they've made them for too long it was

the 40th and 50th Anniversary Z car

they've made them forever the difference

between the ones when they first came

out in like 09 and now is minimal it's

like small styling changes and little

tiny tweaks they're essentially the same

car they've made so many for so long

that if you have the one that's wrapped

in plastic here's here's the the play

the Nismo version late model Nismo

wrapped in plastic no miles that'll be

worth something everything else is just

a zc car yeah right Mark Cooper asked if

we're surprised the Mazda 6 just got

axed and didn't get the sendoff

treatment like the CX9 if Mazda updated

the technology remov the Chrome strip in

the back it would look sharp certainly

but again keep in mind car companies

have a predetermined shelf life for a

model when that goes It goes unless

there's a bunch of them on a boat in the

Atlantic Ocean and the boat sinks and

they have to turn the production line

back on separate problem there's still a

script in that but we'll come back yeah

have you told everybody your script on

the podcast no I'm not going to I think

it's well you've alluded to it that that

it's kind of there is a script in that

for sure but I'm not going to talk about

itess it's out there somewhere yeah but

that that came to the end of its product

life cycle and if they got out the the

sales numbers out of it what they needed

and projected or close to then it just

goes especially now because I think

every car manufacturer is not just doing

the next generation of vehicle just like

we've had for 30 years you can count on

the next three series you can count on

the next cclass that will come the next

Mustang we're already seeing renderings

the next Mustang is coming how much more

are they going to do to it the next 911

appeared and it guess what looked like a

911 it's crazy how that happens yeah but

if Mazda's doing a product line shakeup

if they're going to introduce something

different that will be a different

architecture different Power Trin that

they need to stop this and replace it

with something to fill that sales Niche

but it's totally different they can't

call it the X Mazda 6 if they're doing a

nomencl name change it can't just be

that's the new Mazda 6 but it's not

called the six it's just the 60

something they're adding a zero to the

back of everything they're doing that

the new Mazda 60 like the Mazda 6 but

not the Mazda 6 but generally speaking

it really there there's so many things

that affect the product life cycle of

the car we have to look at at cars as

just big expensive products really you

know kick them out the door we want

sales numbers and but actually they have

personality they've got character so to

us you know to us enthusiasts they you

know it's a bit different uh Steve is

asking if we're excited about top gun

Maverick yes more than I can say and I

this is this is a movie that revealed

the fact that I failed my son as a

father because I said to him we need to

see it in IMAX and he said what's IMAX

and I went How would how are what well

it wasn't just you as a father he was a

filmmaker yes I was like how do you not

know what IMAX is we're going to have to

go twice in IMAX just to be like see now

see IMX is now a thing uhhuh Dak 101

asks about the right quick Jack for the

Cayman Dak it's the one I've got it's

the one that has the 5,000 pound

capacity perfectly fine it's excellent

make sure you buy the rubber blocks just

in case there's some clearance issues to

get it up off the surface of the Jack

then you're good it's excellent uh

Skyler's asking a track daily Crush that

I am stumped by the 40s 50s Edition oh

yeah here we go 1959 Cadillac series 62

conver vertible the Tucker the three

light Tucker remember that that actually

had a light that looked into Corners

remember that and the first year

Corvette easy easy oh you got it easy

because I will say the problem with the

first year Corvette is that it had no

seat belts and that was one of the more

terrifying drives I've done in my life

because it was all me up here like the

formula 4 to no se Bel and the steering

wheels just right in your lap yes there

was nowhere there was no tracking that

car so that's problematic what was

what's your answer I'm gonna daily the

Cadillac series 62 I mean come on 59

Cadillac that was the height of the

tailin era your arm over the back of the

seat it's this kind of driving slow yes

and I'm going to track the Tucker

because of the

headlights you're going to night you're

going to 24-Hour Lama track this the

tuck yes because it a different car it

was a different layout it looked

interesting it it was so far ahead of

its time I mean wasn't that far but just

the features that that car introduced I

would track that because the problems

that the that GM had with the very first

year Corvette were not confid confidence

inspiring it that was I just let that go

yeah I can see that that they got better

after that it was a huge design success

we talk about it in American original

design success but then they were trying

to chase the little convertibles out of

out of Europe and they weren't there yet

but they got better and better over time

it was production processes it was

introducing new resin into something

they're used to sheet metal they're used

to stamping yards of sheet Mill they can

do that we got this but doing resin and

you know new techniques and molding I I

would let that go person uh Ben is also

asking when the next road trip piece is

going to be on YouTube let us get

through it first let's do that let let's

have a successful trip to Philly in

those cars it's it's actually supposed

to be like four to six weeks after we

get done but let's get through it for

honestly my brain right now is on road

trip then it's on post but it is coming

very quick see the most beautiful

generation of these three popular cars

from 94 jrose Porche 911 Corvette and

Mustang beautiful most beautiful

generation of all of these cars most

beautiful is the second generation

Corvette I think that is so stunning

yeah that that's aged incredible

starting in 63 all the way to

67 63 to 67 right that's I believe

that's right yeah yeah that was

spectacular you know what you win on

that for sure the 911 is kind of in the

same generation the whole time sorry

almost but as far as iconic design

iconic 911 I'll go with the 3.2 career

the you know late 80s late ' 80s yeah

you see that and you just know 911 I

especially if you do the tail I think

that is definitive 911 styling for sure

the

Mustang is like is the early it's like

the 67 it's like the 67 era Mustang 6768

the proportions changed a touch for 67 I

believe and that was chance is not here

and boy could he tell us yeah he could

Tai is probably also listening because

we drove his those two guys Mustang

while back the early generation but it's

that it's not when it first came out

it's like a couple years later when they

get like late that's really really 66 67

somewhere in there yeah

grade see uh C mazone is saying what's

the format of the Meetup is it mingling

or is there more of a formal question

answer thing going on it is have you

seen how formal we are this is how

formal we are all the time this is as

formal as we get we actually put out

swag that's how formal we get on this no

uh generally it depends on the style of

Meetup generally what it is is it's a

dinner somewhere and we all get together

and we talk cars and there's no format

just sit down have some food talk to the

person next to you we want to talk to

everybody that's there it's very

informal now sometimes if you go on our

pilgrimage trip to uh to Germany and uh

Belgium that obviously has a lot of

driving if you come to our pilgrimage

trip here in Utah that we're going to do

for the second year and it's so much fun

that's two to three days worth of

driving on Epic road so that means you

have driving sections where you're with

whoever you brought or you're swapping

cars or whatever and then you have meals

along the way but all those meals are

informal there's nothing to do but just

enjoy yeah greed Alex Smith asking for

our summer Tire recommendations

michelin's not

allowed we've always liked

Kos Kumo are great we've liked some

bridgeston we've tried some Continentals

I had yokoh Hamas years ago and I liked

them they just got eaten up really

quickly that might have been because of

the driving I was doing well I had 200

treadwear Yokohama 0 52s on my Lotus and

they were spectacular bubble gum oh your

car is they were gone yeah yeah those

were really good but uh yeah you first

you you've got to figure out what kind

of driving are you going to be doing

that will dictate whether you go full

ultra high performance or you're backed

off a notch and that can save you some

money as well uh we're gonna have to

close this down fairly soon but we

wanted to go a little bit extra because

of course we got started late thank you

guys for jumping over to the second feed

so little a few little reminders oh

here's a new thing I didn't we haven't

talked about this before we have talked

about it right now the thing we're

adding this

week oh the thing we're adding this week

starting this is podcast 700 thank you

for the and we are starting something

that I honestly I don't have your name

in front of me and I'm sorry but one of

you had this idea and you mentioned it

and others piled on and we are now going

to do it you've seen enough evidence we

have a podcast that drops on Tuesday

okay now on Wednesdays we're going to

have another podcast drop that will be

an audio only feed of something off our

test drive Channel which obviously has

kind of a a test drive Pardon Me podcast

kind of style to it anyway so if you are

a person who only consumes this show as

a podcast you will be able to hear the

audio of a back test drive on Wednesdays

and then we will continue to have

YouTube drops on Thursdays and another

podcast on Fridays and when we're doing

TV we then have a TV show on Saturdays

so there's a lot but the point is we're

adding something on Wednesday that will

will come to your podcast feed if you've

already seen the test drive you want to

listen to it I get it but if your person

only consumes that way you'll now have

an audio only feed of old test drives

that's starting this week we started to

do we decided to do it right after the

700 and we're going to do that going

forward we got a lot of back catalog we

can get through so plan on those for

Wednesdays assuming we don't forget

because that's an ad Dak 101 thank you

for the confirmation we've seen a lot of

that from people who have a YouTube

video just playing on their phone while

they're driving obviously they're not

watching it let's hope they're not

please don't but that has been

confirmation for us they're treating it

like a podcast so it's easy to strip the

audio out and just post it as an audio

only format just post the audio only and

uh we'll have those as a 15 20 minute

special episode you can just listen to

our our uh our banter on that but since

we're in car recording that it's like

we're in the car with you as you're

driving it's kind of fun so we're we're

excited to to introduce those any uh

thoughts on what car we could start with

we have such a backlog at this point i'

I've thought of the Civic SI right now

I've thought of starting there but we

could start really anywhere I think we

could do the the Genesis gv70 we've been

talking about it a lot L recently just

came out so that probably be a good one

but we will have many many of them if

you have a request for a car and we've

done it we can certainly work that into

the rotation for Wednesdays so that is

coming again we have a new TV season

starting the first Saturday of July

that'll be on the Motor Trend cable

channel following shortly thereafter to

Amazon Prime and Vimeo and then it will

come to YouTube meted out this coming

Thursday is something from last season

season 10 that is the Honda Civic SI the

latest gen of that the the 11th gen I

believe if I'm not mistaken and the

eighth gen of the GTI those put together

on an amazing Road in Southern

California that's a really cool piece

from season 10 and shortly after that is

one of our favorite epodes never coming

but coming this week is uh Civic versus

uh GTI that's this week so expect that

on the main Channel we are cranking out

test drives generally test drives are

every single Thursday but right now

we're doing every other Thursday because

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we're all working very hard chance is

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July of this year middle of July of this

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lots more hair so that's going to be

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