Everyday Driver Car Debate Apr 15, 2025

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Lamborghini

Lamborghini is a famous car brand from Italy that makes very fast and expensive sports cars. They are known for their unique and flashy designs.

Car

BMW X6 M

The BMW X6 M is a fast and powerful SUV that is designed for people who want the space of an SUV but also want a sporty driving experience.

Car

Porsche Cayenne

The Porsche Cayenne Coupe Turbo is a luxury SUV that is very fast and has a sporty look. It combines the comfort of an SUV with the performance of a sports car.

Car

Ford Mustang

The Mustang is a popular sports car made by Ford. It's known for being fast and stylish, and it's been around for a long time, making it a classic choice for car enthusiasts.

Car

Maserati MC20

The Maserati MC20 is a fast and stylish sports car made by Maserati. It's designed for performance and has a modern look.

Car

Alfa Romeo Tonale

The Alfa Romeo Tonale is a small SUV made by Alfa Romeo. It has a stylish design and is meant to be fun to drive.

Brand

Alfa Romeo

Alfa Romeo is a car brand from Italy that makes stylish and sporty cars. They are known for their unique designs and good handling on the road.

Brand

Dodge

Dodge is a car brand from the United States that makes powerful cars, including muscle cars and SUVs. They are known for their bold designs and strong performance.

Car

Toyota 4Runner

The Toyota 4Runner is a type of SUV that is good for families and can handle rough terrain. It's known for being strong and reliable.

Car

A carbon fiber drive shaft is a part of a car that helps transfer power from the engine to the wheels. It's made from a strong, lightweight material called carbon fiber, which helps the car go faster and use less fuel.

Car

Chevrolet Corvette

The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast sports car that many people admire for its looks and speed. It's one of the most famous American cars.

Car

Chevrolet Camaro

Car

Ford F150

The Ford F-150 is a popular pickup truck that many people use for work and everyday driving. It's known for being tough and reliable.

Car

Ford Te Mustang

Car

Porsche Cayman

Car

Jeep Wrangler

The Jeep Wrangler 392 is a special version of the Wrangler that has a very strong V8 engine. It's designed for both off-roading and fun driving, making it stand out from other Wranglers.

Car

Porsche 911

The Porsche 911 GT3 is a special version of the 911 sports car that is built for speed and performance. It's designed to be very fun to drive, especially on racetracks.

Car

Ford Cougar

The Ford Cougar is a type of two-door car that was made by Ford. It had a sporty look and was designed to appeal to drivers who wanted something fun to drive.

Car

Chevrolet Monte Carlo

The Chevrolet Monte Carlo is a type of car that was made for people who wanted a stylish and sporty vehicle. It was popular for many years and is now considered a classic.

Car

Ford Thunderbird

The Ford Thunderbird is a classic car that was designed to be luxurious and stylish. It was popular for many years and has a unique look that many people love.

Car

BMW 2 Series

The BMW 2 Series is a small luxury car that looks good and drives well. It's available as a coupe or convertible, making it a stylish choice.

Car

BMW Series Bmw

Car

Mercedes-Benz CLA

The Mercedes-Benz CLA is a small luxury car that looks like a coupe but has four doors. It's stylish and has good technology features.

Car

Mazda Miata

The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small sports car that only seats two people. It's very light and fun to drive, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.

Car

Toyota Supra

The Toyota Supra is a powerful sports car that many people love for its speed and handling. It's known for being a great car to modify and improve.

Car

Porsche 928S

Car

Subaru BRZ

The Subaru BRZ is a sporty car similar to the Toyota 86. It's designed for driving fun and has a lightweight body that helps with performance.

Car

Porsche 911 GT3 RS

Concept

Nürburgring

The Nürburgring is a well-known race track in Germany where many car manufacturers test their cars. It's famous for being very challenging to drive on.

Car

Porsche Boxster

Car

Mercedes-Benz SL

Term

GT car

A GT car is a type of car made for fast driving over long distances. They are comfortable and sporty at the same time.

Car

Lotus Elise

The Lotus Elise is a small, lightweight sports car that is very fun to drive. It has a simple design and is made for people who love speed and handling.

Car

Porsche 718 Boxster

The Porsche 718 Boxster is a sports car that has a convertible top. It's designed to be lightweight and has different engine choices, making it fun to drive.

Term

Aston Martin Valkyrie

Car

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good evening thank you for the uh the

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go what is it Tuesday hi happy Tuesday

to those of you actually listening to

this happy Monday night to those of you

watching live we are live on test drive

videos channel we do this every 25

episodes we are back with another all

live podcast which means we take your

questions as they happen it's a lot of

reading but it's pretty awesome and

we're back with more madness on the tail

end of montere yeah and a bunch of stuff

coming out for us soon yeah although I

did notice that all of our prior

thumbnails had the shirt that I wore

previously is now relegated to the table

and to hair length is different keep

absolutely it's it's a whole thing

but guys thank you forting up your

questions we've got a few over on our

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up your live questions for us love

chatting about it I say we Dive Right

into montere we were not there this year

we would love to go lots of stuff

dropping including the Lamborghini

lanidor Lam zador did I mispronounce

that Lamor was yeah what was that it's a

thing who that is for somebody add well

hang on that's it's going it's going to

be fine it's going to be just fine or

because the X6 exists the x6m exists and

the Porsche Cayenne Coupe Turbo exists

yeah this is for them larger bigger door

and I guess it is it's for it's for the

segment that has a crazy money B wants

to drive a sports car but doesn't want

to sit low which there's an equal sign

there just so you know but they don't

want to do that so that's what's

happening that's exactly what's going on

I love it well we have not discussed the

Mustang that was announced it's kind of

old news as quickly as the car news

world moves especially at montere yeah I

was just reading a little bit more about

it and if you have not taken the time to

inspect all the stats for the GTD

Mustang that was released as a 2025

model I was noticing that the front tire

width is 325 millimeters the rears are

345s 325s were on the back of the gls63

and that was that's superar wide those

are on the fronts of the Mustang 345s on

the rear I am astounded well you you bro

the subject of who is this for I feel

this way about the Mustang because it it

doesn't actually work as a race car

people that just want to set ring

records but it doesn't actually work as

a race car it doesn't work for that

classification yes it's yeah it's not

actually a Mustang that most people are

ever going to drive this is a collection

car

$300,000 Mustang that nobody will drive

aren't we aren't isn't the point of the

Mustang to be somewhat accessible isn't

the point of the Mustang to be a car you

can drive it's to crash into light PLS

when you leave a leave Cars and Coffee

is that what totally forgot about that

you're absolutely right yeah I just okay

we'll take a break from monor for the

moment uh I do want to come back to Ken

okiyama bird cage concept the code 61

which I find rather intriguing it also

uses the Maserati mc20 Wheels but you

know you got to do what you got to do so

let's come back to that in just a moment

let's dive into questions mark in Ohio

vampire bear 13 thank you for writing

really appreciate it and let's see here

if a car guy buys a tonal is it quirky

enough to check off the I owned an Alpha

Romeo credential from Richard uh

writing the tonali just came out on our

test drive Channel as you could see it's

is it quirky enough it's too mainstream

but by virtue of The Styling and the

badge itself I I think it's a pass I

think well it was it was an alpha first

not a Dodge first this is Alpha wanted

to make a five seat cuvs to my

understanding and then Dodge makes their

variant off of what Alpha's creating so

it's not it's not the other way around

if it was a Dodge first and then Alpha

made a product I feel differently so

because of that it's an alpha first I'll

take it even though yeah it's five SE

CUV land which everyone has it's not

very unique but Alpha needs one so

they're doing it apparently I mean I

would say Julia or forc definitely check

that box tal is on the it's okay yeah

it's like if you want to share that my

first Alpha kind of thing or I'm really

a true car enthus First Alpha I know

I've Got My First Sony and here's my

first Alpha here it is but that's the

problem with for most people that's what

Alpha wants that will bring people to

the brand because they need a five seed

SUV the Roadster and the sedan just

don't work they're too small but a 5

seed SUV I can check my credentials off

and get a family 5 seed SUV all at the

same time so I guess uh there you go

guess the answer is yes we'll seea

grin when I break the steering wheel

shakes a controll to be on my 4Runner

and Shakes the entire car did you hear

the last podcast yes yeah we had a bit

of a rant on that um yeah get that check

those rotors are

done I've got some questions over here

on Facebook that we were talking about

uh Pat L is asking again about the

Mustang GTD should we give Ford points

for crazy for crazy wouldn't we all

rather they actually build cars versus

SUVs UVS and Pickups I do wish that a

bit more caution would have been taken

but you know sometimes CEOs just decide

to rip the Band-Aid and go for it and

that's what's happened at Ford because

no longer are they the company that

builds a performance C uh product at

every category at every price point for

all of us enthusiasts they used to they

were leading way and then they

completely you trashed that business

model and went a different direction but

they're building interesting things I'm

just fascinated that they're Allin on

the extreme end for the Mustang and

Allin for you know the mai and building

the blue oval city in Tennessee I mean

the the reality is here and I cannot

believe this is the place we're at but

the reality is the cat is out of the bag

and all of these car makers understand

that if they sell something to the

extreme end of buyers 100 hundreds of

thousands or millions of dollars and

they make him limited edition at montere

car week yes but they can also charge

whatever they want nobody's sitting

around down with a calculator going what

is this cost and what's the markup who

cares we marked up that carbon fiber

drive shaft like crazy who cares that's

the thing so they're going to make

limited edition they can actually make

more profit per unit doing this madness

than doing anything else and we've seen

before that Ford's struggle is the

Mustang is to them what the Corvette is

to Chevy okay it is it is a definitive

moment in the company it is a defining

name for the company I mean frankly

Camaro is not that for shevy but

Corvette is okay so they have to keep

the Mustang name going they can kill all

the other stuff but Ford and Mustang

Ford F150 and Mustang that's what we

know so they got to keep it going but

the mustang program always costs them a

fortune to redo and they struggle to

make it make its money back when if they

just release a new F-150 it'll just

print cash so this is the flip side of

that thinking for the Mustang let's sell

a $300,000 version that let's just say

for sake of argument it cost him 200

Grand a car I'm not good at math but

that's a better upswing so they'll do

this ridiculous thing yeah and they

won't sell a really good one I hate to

say this but where's the really great

Mustang that competes with the 86 at

$34,000 I'd like that Mustang to exist

and be awesome I'd like the lightweight

driver Focus te the T version of

everything Corvette te Mustang tea

Cayman te the problem is that's not

going to exist and and they're going so

they're they're leaning into cars are

allowed to be heavier cars going to be

more extreme so you end up with the Dark

Horse and then this madness and I'm

looking for the one I'm honestly I'm

looking for the one that competes with

the 86 at 35 Grand yeah and I want the

Mustang to shrink in size still it's too

big it's still too big too much car the

first Mustang not the second Mustang not

the Mustang 2 the first Mustang was not

actually a very big car in its time now

the Mustang 2 was trying to be Compact

and that was a disaster as we've all

seen but the the first Mustang was not

that big what if the new Mustang were

smaller now I'm sure there people that

are going to yell but here but I guess

this is my thinking if you're going to

kill the V8 which they already have but

if you're really going to kill the V8

then what's it matter if it's big or not

guess because all the people are gonna

have pitchforks out about the fact that

the v8's not available so let's just

make it a smaller car okay I I love it

yes uh we've got Caleb F from Miami

listening and watching from Miami Caleb

thank you so much for jumping on really

appreciate it and let's see we've got uh

driving music from Anthony G what is

some unexpected driving music I saw your

question uh last time around Anthony and

Anthony found himself listening to

instrumental Disney covers of all things

turns out there's something rather

uplifting while carving through traffic

to A Whole New World it is a whole new

world it's that's hilarious when you get

really stressed you to stop it go you L

need to let it go it's just it's just

your feeling gotta be really quick on

the jum button yeah I admit to I am a

man of constant sorrow sung by the Soggy

Bottom Boys uh from Oh Brother Where Art

Thou that that's something you can just

listen to on a endless loop never you're

just cruising and it's just endless and

you got a Canyon Road okay and you're

singing along and that's unexpected okay

Jordan says a whole new world does not

work if you're driving the jeep wrangler

392 we actually have a piece coming on

that that just showed up and that is

simultaneously the greatest Wrangler

ever and the most stupid thing on Wheels

it is like both completely merged I yeah

I can't wait to share that funny yeah

see Andre P asks what's our favorite

bues food or

snack the Andrew plans to stop by one or

two when he goes to tail dragon in

October I think you should the beaver

nuts I think are part of this snack and

also there's a a wall of jerky but best

of all is the Arnold Palmer is premixed

so there there is that they do have a

ridiculous number of beverages the

sandwiches and the potato chips are are

like homecooked kettle chips they're

really good they offer you no place to

sit that's one of the things I thought

was interesting unless it's the Thrones

they have a they have a ton of restrooms

be they have a ton of restrooms for you

to sit but they have nowhere to actually

you you because you just bought food and

there's nowhere to sit they want you to

go yeah I've noticed that as well anyway

Erin thank you for the correction much

appreciated uh Aaron just uh

participated with his car in our recent

film that's going to be a big one coming

out in what six weeks or so called the

price of fun that we've talked about Aon

generously gave us his car as 911 te and

that's why I want to tea the world I

want to tea all the sports cars can you

imagine J

86t the light it's already light that

one that one gets a pass already like

deal with all the stuff over 3200 PB and

leave that one alone yeah that's all bad

Eric is asking a question along those

lines he says cars like the Monte Carlo

Thunderbird cougar by the way lots of

really great names in the Ford portfolio

they don't exist anymore what cars fill

that twodo personal Coupe space there's

not many the 86 is one two plus two the

two Series BMW is

one the CLA Mercedes is one even though

it's actually four doors but that back

seat is kind of like it's a two plus two

this is kind of the best we're doing the

Miata of course is only a two-seater but

as far as like affordable two-door

second car we're having trouble that are

affordable you can go to the Supra but

that's 50 60 Grand so where's the line

of affordability I the 86 and the Miata

are almost on their own yeah that's

that's interesting I'm looking at a

question here from Brad R who's asking

if we believe there's a car that can

cure that disease cure the car disease

no do you want a car that can cure the

disease though do we ever want to be

cured of this because there will always

be new cars coming out I am actually

super encouraged by the brand new

Mercedes AMG GT they are channeling 928s

it looks good it looks really like

thetic it's a two plus two gobs of power

I it hit me right in the fields just I

am looking at this thing that is the

modern 928 also from stutgart okay all

right two plus two with all the power it

looks great I think I have to own one

have you noticed how similar it looks

from the front axle back to the side of

the 86 and

BRZ oh going forward no no no going back

from the front axle back down the side

got a simar side

cut of course it's competing with a 911

no no no no no just from the front axle

back to like from from just past the

front fascia working backwards that side

of that car looks quite a bit like the

side I was thinking the profile is more

no the profile is definely 9 I mean 911

928 they Abed their neighbors across

town abely y I am in love with that

thing I'm reading all the specs I'm

watching leis Hamilton drifted on the

little promo promotional video and he's

there's there's a lot of jump cuts and

Drone music and high energy music and

the car is just sort of

like puttering around it's not like

hardcore slidy sideways because there's

probably only one of them so far but

here's the other part of it no one out

there is debating if Lewis Hamilton can

drive we know he can drive we know he

can drive very fast one of the best

drivers in the worldt unless you are

driving I hate to say this slow slowly

in slow motion sideways spitting smoke

the audience doesn't think it's fast and

making a car look fast on camera you've

got to be going well over 80 miles an

hour no no you just add really high

energy music and create more cuts and

slow it down and you know jump cut and

the Drone just goes right overhead and

you can't what was the car actually

doing I could I can't really tell or you

do the Fast and Furious trick and you

just speed it all up which is even worse

Jorge is asking thank you for the for

the uh Super Chat he is asking uh which

hotu car EX should take Jim Farley up on

his dare to raise him in a new Mustang

and I've wondered about this so this

this GTD exists and Jim Farley has said

he will raise any other exec with him

and the new Mustang and I have two

questions first off and and I am not

honestly I am not throwing shade here is

Jim Farley a good driver do we know well

he's raced with Billy Johnson I guess

that's true guess that's true he is leg

from my understanding I mean Billy's

raced side by side with him on the on

the same team and so is this I think

he's legit are we going to like close

the ring and put down best lap time how

is this that this is my bigger question

is what is the structure of the supposed

race and then I would love to see

somebody challenge him but the problem

is what are execs out there you know

what the problem is if he's opening up

to car execs not CEOs he has a problem

with the test driver engineers at

Porsche he does have a problem those

those guys are hot shoes if well their

test drivers are not Executives they are

only employed as test drivers so where

do we draw the line good where's the

gray area because the executives there's

not many who are drivers who's hire the

hot shoes I can't think of his name but

who's the guy that's done all the

reveals of the GT3 and the GT3 RS that

is the POR guy printing printing her I'm

pretty sure that boy can drive he can

drive him and Jim Farley that'd be a

throw down about like hey this guy's

name is Walter he was really good at at

rally Walter something something

something that's very funny I like that

that's good still like an executive

that's very funny sh uh yeah I know I I

think the Porsche exec is where he gets

in trouble I think most of the other

brands I don't know how many of the

execs are really good drivers but be

interesting some of the guys in the

Corvette program are pretty good drivers

yes they are yes they might be able to

give him a run for his money but if he's

going to do this yeah race him in the

new Mustang let's let's do a a Race

Against Time and you built that new

Mustang for the ring so it has to be on

the ring you would hope so yeah let's do

it on the ring love to see this Porche

is right down the road so is Mercedes

it's about I'm going to date this

podcast but it's about as likely as

Zuckerberg versus uh Elon Musk but it's

the same kind of thing still hyund the

end guys let's get those guys over works

yeah Fair okay yeah that would be

interesting I love the question that's

really creative really interesting what

else you got on here there's the

questions are coming in really

appreciate it guys thank you uh the 24

AMG GTL is the Boxster Cayman of

Mercedes from Grady okay all right I

mean it's it's bigger that's the issue

do we know a weight on that car yet I

did not see aight I'm curious about a

weight I think that thing's going to be

the better part of 4,000 lb that's my

concern it's going to be 3800 up there

it's SL underpinning so it's already

going to be heavy exactly right yeah but

you know I I'm looking at it as a GT car

not yeah the boxer and Cayman to me is

definitely more a sports car you can get

more performance driving out of those

both those cars that that GT is uh

that's you know high-s speeed bomb I

mean it was built in the land of the of

the ring and the Autobon and I mean but

it's a GT car but the truth is the truth

is most people are going to drive that

car more in a GT fashion than in a

sports car fashion it's it's going to

meet it I don't think Mercedes builds a

Boxster Cayman competitor they don't

they don't not really no and and the

truth is they haven't in a while yeah

let's see Jordan sorry he's just making

me laugh what in the world would a Lotus

Elise te have left it would all they

have one seat to begin with it would

just be driver's seat yeah we don't need

the front clam who cares but that's

pretty much what the the topless I can't

think of it right now the what is it the

211 that one that is just the the that's

pretty much one that's the UN least te

anyway so yeah uh Anthony G is also

asking what is the single most boring

car you've ever driven I know what

you're going for everybody knows what

you're going for what am I going for the

to it's the most boring it's ah is it

the most boring I guess so but that's

not why I hate it it's because of the

build quality and the lack of Sor I

didn't mean to start a thing I sorry I

didn't mean to start a but

boring I'm gonna have to work on that

Anthony speaking of the boxer we were

talking about lightness what what are

your thoughts on the Porche uh 718 boxer

EV I I'm very curious to see if Porsche

offers Boxster and Cayman in multiple

power plants for cylinder six-cylinder

and EV and my big question for all of

these potential EVS coming down down the

pipe is which one's going to be light

light matters it does and because

electric motors have this constant

torque we have thrown out the need for

lightness because we can overcome it

with our power and heavy cars cause so

many other issues I'm a man of con

torque yes there there you go you know

I'm looking at hybrids because where is

the hybrid version of those cars first

before we just go straight EV for a

boxer K sure sure yeah unless the

batteries are piled up and stacked in

such a way to give you the weight

transfer that those cars are known for

and I believe they will be but I just I

I like the hybrid I like the torque fill

better that's that's the better step

it's the in-betweener step um let's see

Devon's asking if he says he's thrilled

that the 718 s's are still depreciating

like rocks that's because the

four-cylinder has a ton of power but now

that the six-cylinder exists people

don't want the turbo 4 if you want to

deal in the Porsche lineup it's actually

the base ones not even the S those are

those have just dropped like stones and

they're tunable if you want literally

that's the like the tuner guys Porsche

is the Bas 718 boxer or Cayman you're

not worried about how they sound I hate

to say this it's like it's it's the

Subaru sound Subaru tuning mentality in

a Porsche body with Porsche Dynamics

that's the real deal there here we go

Devon is saying uh Akio Toyota Toyota

San who goes by the the handle Maro a

marizo to challenge Jim Farley in the

GTD Stang it's going to have to be his

old uh his old LC 500 race car because

the the Y yeah Ys can't touch it or he'd

be a good driver he'd be a good driver

what if they Resurrect The LFA nurur

gring Edition sure come on you're right

there was an LFA that he drove that's a

great

one something like that let's see hybrid

Miata we'll see look the next Miata is

bound to be electrified we've talked

about that before what is that going to

be what

Mazda is going to worry about weight

that is a key thing to the existence of

the Miata they're going to worry about

it I'm very curious to see what it

actually is see Richard is ask me what

right car what is the right car to take

in the Bourbon

Trail a limousine that is chauffeur you

don't have to drive you don't have to

drive I see it seriously rent a car car

service that's what people do in Napa

they just rent an Uber or something just

a car service for the day I think

there's companies that specialize in

that kind of thing so just have

something where you don't have to drive

you don't have to worry about it and

when you buy a case of whiskey you can

just put it in the trunk and have it

delivered and there you go love it MCN

now is asking which is better for

60-year-old with hip back and knee

troubles a 2015 Corvette with z51 or

2016 Cadillac atsv I'm going to guess

you're going to have to climb in both of

them I'm going to guess that that atsv

is going to be easier to get in and out

of that's my guess based on that

description for sure Jonathan go is

asking for track daily Crush Porsche

Boxer s the BMW Z4 twin turbo or the

Mercedes SLK 350 all manual convertibles

well you know my love for the Porsche so

I'm going to daily that and I'm going to

probably track the Z4 because that's

probably what it'll do the best except

you know what I'm gonna daily the Z4 I'm

gonna track the Porsche and I'm gonna

crush the Mercedes and I can't I'm gonna

agree with you on that yeah I like I

like the Porsche better on track yeah

there you go we we're actually a new

piece coming out Thursday talking about

our new and and no spoilers to those

that happen to know our new project car

new project car everyone we have a

project car we got we got a long-term

laner yeah minimal build because it is

us there's no not going to be any like

grease covered videos but anyway but uh

head on this baby we have a we have a

new long-term car that we have till the

end of the year maybe a little Beyond

we're going to do some fun stuff with it

and I've been going through our past

like long-term series series to put some

together some compilation stuff at the

beginning of the piece and I can't

believe some of the stuff we've done I'm

very excited about this one can't wait

to to reveal it that is coming actually

that video is coming Thursday to our

original Channel we'll talk about it on

Friday's podcast but it's coming very

very soon it is not in ausia Cross nor

is it a brat I wish I wish for those

cars in the future I don't know how

relevant those would be nobody's G watch

watch look those of you that really dig

in are going to watch them but as far as

like YouTube interest it's not going to

get much unfortunately yeah let's see

Nick F on Facebook is asking our

experience with a generation 3 CTSV

built from 2016 to

2019 I thought that was like 2014 2015

but nevertheless that third gen what is

our what are our thoughts they didn't

get much press it's because it just even

though it had the great engine in it

it's such a big heavy car and none of

the rest of the Interior really held up

it was just an oversized it wasn't even

the four-door Corvette it was too big

and heavy for that kind of thing it had

all the power but then when you think

$95,000 for this it's astounding on

track the Magna ride makes it come to

life but then that weight cannot be

overcome and it's not like the M2 where

you only feel it on exit and you you you

don't feel it at first you always feel

the way to that car so therefore it's

just a burnout machine it's just a

Hellcat that doesn't drive as well as a

Hellcat I hate to say it interesting

hellcats buried that car they had more

power and they handled better the

suspension was equally good or better

and I just I you're asking me for both

get a Hellcat I'm a big fan of of

Chevy's CTS and ATS chassis Engineers

but I do understand that the Hellcat is

I think the more interesting choice in

most cases but uh James Chadwick is

saying other fun driver roads in

Colorado other than Highway 550 James

how long do you have uh there's a lot of

them there is uh it's it's it's a Scenic

Loop and somebody is going to correct me

but it comes out of Boulder goes up

through Netherlands and up to Estus that

is excellent there is the road that's

that's on the Eastern edge of Rockies

I'm not sure and then on the western

edge of of the state almost to Utah is

one we're doing on our Colorado Meetup

it goes through Gateway look at the road

that goes through Gateway Colorado

that's another one there's just two and

in between those bookends there's a ton

how much driving do you want to do

there's there's I mean look at Google

Maps and look at follow the squiggles

there's a ton of them uh TR dorf 147

asks if we think automakers will ever

reintroduce popular ice Vehicles as

Eevee targets get moved trogdor cannot

see a situation where Dodge ever says

we're just kidding and we started making

hellcats again no not necessarily but

I'm just wondering I was talking with

chance about this the other day and I'm

putting this out there as a topic

Tuesday but I cannot uh put my finger on

what exactly it is but that is car

companies need to go backwards to to

move forwards backwards in terms of

thinking for style I mean BMW is a

candidate here and I I wrote down my

ideas here uh it was about going

backwards to stay relevant and still

create the new like you know the Futures

EV SUVs but what about future sports

cars and fun cars so are they more

Divergent than ever before we've talked

about the five- seat SUV with the

battery on the floor that's 4 in thick

and it's all the same and they all Drive

the same fine you've got your thing but

what about here where we can really

start to differentiate and keep fun cars

alive and keep them going because

they're electrified they're not EVS okay

so that means torque fill but that means

the whole thing is not a battery maybe

it's just one electric motor they don't

have to be all-wheel drive so I'm just

wondering about the Divergence of these

to stay relevant because car companies

will always want to build a fun sports

car it doesn't matter if it loses the

money there will always be people who

want to build a sports car a fun car our

brand for example what is Jaguar what

you've asked this question confused by

Jag flavor that that tastes like jaguar

that is totally Jaguar to me I totally

get it that just feels like jaguar I

don't know what that is yeah what is

Jaguar they keep running back to the E

type and the problem is the E type is

completely irrelevant for modern times

so if they're making more let's say

they're making more sports cars and

they're making them just they waft EVS

can do that or some sort of

hybridization but then the SUVs to me

just seem like it just has a Jaguar

badge and they all Drive the same and I

don't care what is the jaguar flavor I'm

wondering okay so we need to diverge BMW

is a candidate too especially

stylistically speaking BMW has some

great stuff in their portfolio what

happened to 3.0 CSL homage and the M8 uh

or no the the M1 homage cars like sure

the ones that they dropped at Monteray

and then they build those promptly

vanish that's right don't don't do

anything else don't do stop stop stop

make those make those and everybody will

buy them fewer teeth more of that sorry

for the rant Troy two can we keep this

going topic Tuesday I don't know if if

we can or not I don't know Troy 2s says

looking for best daily driver around 50

to 60k his head says Lexus yes Hart

wants a three series The Ardon is a wild

card Aron is not interesting enough to

drive it's fine I actually like it it's

not interesting enough to drive really

wants a fun daily to be reliable for 10

plus years I see your es it's also not

interesting enough the es is is the

Lexus camera you can't say you I see

that without raising you something you

can't say that what are you raising

you've got to go GS which is a little

more used that's at least the better

Lexus choice three series is fine but

watch our blue cars episode you need to

drive the Genesis g70 and you need to

drive the alpha Julia now I know

somebody is saying neither of those are

going to last 10 years but I'm sorry I

don't think the Ardon or the three

series is going to be Problem free for

10 years either the only potentially

Problem free one is the Lexus brand so

that's the thing and while you're at it

how much have the V versions of Cadillac

things come down you might be able to

find one of those as well they're stupid

cheap now you can get they're getting

there what if those came down to like 20

$25,000 along with hellcats he's Sho

with 50 to 60 oh well then you're good

you can have two you know back to that

question earlier about people going back

to ice engines Dodge isn't going back

the Hellcat Motors are going to be to

dodge what the 2JZ was to Toyota and all

of the fans in 10 years are going to be

like make another Hellcat and they're

not going to do it because they're not

going to be able to there won't beet

regulations it's the reason the 2JZ

didn't get resurrected yeah anyway all

right back to montere for a little bit

that bird cage code 61 by Ken okiyama I

also just read that he was pulled over

for speeding in Japan in a Ferrari Enzo

so oops but still he has brought this

bird cage concept I was talking I was

thinking about all the cars on the on

the concept lawn and you know what was

my favorite out there and this is really

intriguing because of resurrecting that

Burge Cade concept uh and I am also kind

of a sucker for Maserati right now so I

do like that uh what else saw that uh

John aada had that new um the the new

Acura concept on the ZDX on the lawn

that looked really good and a ton of

other crazy stuff that I'm just thinking

where do you drive these crazy

horsepower cars unless to show them on a

lawn and they just kind of sit yeah i'

I'd rather see the valkyrie I saw

Valkyrie sitting in a parking lot it was

the in at Spanish Bay and just sitting

there like yes drive that thing make it

dirty you know let's let's uh let's

that's what I'm worried about about that

new monster Mustang

86 ask this question this this feels

like almost the rest of the conversation

Civic typ R or

M2 now the problem is that the Civic

Type R is MSRP of around 45 to 50 but

the way you actually get one post

markups is 60 plus the M2 while not

attractive is in the 60s so they are

touching each other they shouldn't they

there's no reason for these to compete

on price but unfortunately right now in

the current market they do so I'm going

to come down to a couple things do you

need usable back seats instantly

Civic okay okay okay um do you need to

look back and think the car is

attractive M2 struggles there I know

it's know it's personal but that M2

struggles there the M2 is too heavy

watch our M2 Camaro and super piece the

M2 is too heavy but it is brilliant to

drive it drives very very well however

my wild card in this scenario is get

yourself a manual Supra you'll probably

spend less than both those cars and I

think you'll be happier that's really

good although I I really like both cars

and I could see myself owning an M2

despite it is it's not it's good to

drive it's not good to be in I mean it's

good not good to walk up to it's good to

be in it's great to be in those seats

had me you had me at seats it's $14,000

like massive upgrade option that's

they're good seats yeah but they're 24

pounds lighter and okay saving weight on

a 37 3,800 pound car already so that

matters but still I really enjoyed

driving that M2 was just so astounding

to think that this is where technology

has brought human beings this is what

weight can do now everyone it was

astounding so many good question Steve M

says manual supers are still being

marked way up that's really tragic

although we have identified the uh the

road and track reports about 47% of

buyers for the 2023 manual have opted

for the manual so that's a good thing

but fight with your dealer because my

question would be between Civic Type R

manual Supra and M2 which is the one

that post markup is actually cheaper and

I wouldn't be surprised if it's the

Supra yeah to say it and markups are

horrific but I would really wouldn't be

surprised see Jeremy M asks if we were

to own and drive a replica of some

unobtanium

model what would we choose a replica I

mean I I wish more replicas of Ferraris

were built but Ferrari doesn't really

like their cars being knocked off even

at a high level they don't like their

cars being driven or shown to other

people or you know Ian I'm sorry I'm

sorry there are so so many regulations

about ferar one of the reasons we've

driven fewer Ferraris is because we've

actually come across owners who wanted

to have us drive their car and then

realized it might prohibit their ability

to buy future Ferraris and so they took

their car back or it broke there's that

as well that we've had we've had that

like SF 9s that break multiple that have

just broken and they've just decided to

not run so we can't drive them because

they are broken there's a whole separate

thing uh so I'd go replica gosh

uh it'd have to be one of the GTS the

four GTS but I was still really happy

with that super performance uh the type

65 Daytona Coupe the Shelby day Daytona

Coupe those are just special it it's one

of those cars that you know it's a

replica and it doesn't matter and you

don't care it's so pretty it's just tube

frame with metal over the top of it

which was the original to so who cares

that the replica looks exactly like it

it's one of those things where it just

it took away the the gulf The Divide

between only six of these exist the real

ones they're 20 million each and drive

this one and it was amazing so I I'd

have to say Dayton and C let's see uh

Pokey YJ says Uh there's a continuous

push from Automan manufacturers to add

more and more complexity and Technology

to Vehicles seems like a consumer habits

which suggest simplification is

preferable you say Allah iPhone I think

the iPhone only works here because the

iPhone has an ease of use but there's

dense technology there the problem we've

created and I say we as just car buyers

there's a shift that happens in the 90s

and and you can see it in pickup trucks

and you can see it in exotic cars before

the 90s your pickup truck was low rent

bench seat no anything it was just no

longer seriously the doors close and

stuff works and it's got four-wheel

drive running gear and we're done and

your exotic car was your feet are off to

the side in the air conditioning doesn't

work and I can't see out of these

windows and I'll never be able to go

through a drive-thru and I can't back up

at all and in the 90s both of those

started to be well hang on we need to

make them usable for more people and so

they both became really nice jump

forward to now pickups are luxury cars

and frankly so are exotic cars people

are worried about do I have apple

carplay look I'm saying I like this too

but do I have apple carplay does the air

conditioner work can I see when I back

up in my exotic car that I only drove to

cars in coffee but the problem is this

is where all the weight comes from and

the complexity and now we want because

we have these phones we want our car to

do all the stuff our phone does or to

duplicate our phone and then you have

Mercedes who's like you want screens I

will give you screens so I don't think I

don't think that there's going to be any

going backwards unless it is and you

were already there unless it is replicas

or kit cars that are built for the five

people on the planet that want something

that drives like a Lotus Elise

okay uh let's see sha e asks uh what we

think who makes the best back seat uh

it's probably the Accord Hybrid that's

in my driveway right now it's really

huge well I mean here's the thing the

Civic has more space than Accords from

20 years ago and that's the Civic the

Accord better be bigger the Accord you

were like yes we should pick people up I

don't know you but I got space come on

jump the door

yeah uh let's see Philip M says any

plans for me to dump the Ford Expedition

and get a new SUV I would love to the

first thing that is preventing me is

sentimentality because it belonged to my

dad and it was packed full of family and

I love it when family comes to town and

we take it out and fill it full of stuff

and it's turned into an excellent

production vehicle yes it's surprisingly

good every time we need it it comes

through it just it's so great it's B and

heavy and lumbering but it's this stable

camera platform which is great you put

upgraded shocks on it and it's actually

been surprisingly good it did put Bill

Ste on it fully meets the ain't broke

don't fix parameter and then it has

history for you it's got history so I I

get it yeah it just runs it's great I

mean if I had my brothers the other

problem is money of course but then if I

had my brothers

gls63s like but you would spend that

money somewhere else you'd be chasing

McLarens who were you kidding anyway be

chasing yeah uh MCN says after this what

are we doing I'm going to have some

dinner I you tonight I'm probably done

well there's been a lot of editing so

far today we we we push pretty hard but

I think after this we're probably uh

easing off for the day however you will

you will edit this for audio for

tomorrow you do that yeah sure and uh G

weeper 64 says anyone actually seen a

new zc car in the wild do they really

exist not only have I not seen a new Z

car in the wild I hardly ever see prior

Z cars in the wild there was a

there yeah there was there's guy with a

really nice 370Z that was at cars and&

coffee yesterday okay okay and that it

looked great it's track prepped and we

know him and it's a good it's a good car

good guy but that was the only Z in

attendance oh I take it back uh Mike had

his uh convertible Z car that's always

there 300 ZX those were that was the Z

contingent those were the only ones

there and the new car I don't I are they

delivering them I guess they are there's

none around here paintt problems they

were undergoing with I think it's just

problems cars haven't been painted for a

good I don't know 100 years so they you

know I understand new paint processes

and techniques but still it seems like

they were working out some paint

production issues and then Collins got

the other point and that is markup on

those so far has been

horrific so I don't get it yeah I don't

either David M asks for our prediction

when piano gloss black interior the

plague known as the panel Closs black

interior plague will be

eradicated that is when suppliers

stop offering it as an option designers

can Speck it all they want they can

Speck away have at it and the suppliers

will say nope we're not going to put

that in cars anymore because we've moved

on to better materials that don't

scratch and get thumb printed so easily

so I'm hoping the suppliers come through

who works for a supplier let's get them

to stop making piano gloss black shaie

is asking the most fun backseat

experience for adults or kids rear

facing back seats in the back of a wagon

that's up there remember being a kid

sitting backwards in the back of the

wagon waving a drivers trying to get

people to honk at you all that kind of

stuff that is fun drivers would just

blind you ow ow Lasix anyway uh but but

the thing is the back seat is not the

place to enjoy the drive it's just to

enjoy the experience and so I go to

things like the uh the Genesis g90 or

the big Lexus or the big s s class where

you end up with the big executive

business class back seats because you're

not sitting in the back to enjoy the

drive

Devon Bane comes through with a super

chat question Devon thank you so much

with modern Ferraris so

unreliable what are aspirational

manufacturers there's so much coming on

that anyway okay go on what are some

aspirational manufacturers that won't

bleed you dry or leave you stranded

after you've owned a Porsche or

three Toyota

Supra okay but is that an aspirational

manufacturer okay aspirational

manufacturers that's the hard part there

you drive yeah that's difficult it's got

to be just under like Maserati or

something you went Maserati got well

it's got to be under that because

Maserati is a high price point yeah but

that's kind of what we're thinking about

though it's that kind of thing but I I

hesitate to say that because it's also

Italian and I it's also Maserati yeah I

get it no experience with their new mc20

but

still uh

aspirational you're really struggling I

mean that's the thing if you look at if

you look at reliability ratings Porsche

is almost always near the top and most

of these aspirational brands are

unfortunately near the Bottom now the

one thing I will give super props to

Ferrari for is because a few years ago

this is back to that transition to cars

the exotic cars needing to be nice they

offered that 7-year 70,000 mile warranty

because I guarantee you many accountants

at Ferrari did the numbers and realized

nobody's driving these things how often

are we going to have a warranty thing

never but the flip side is if you're a

person who can aspire to a Ferrari and

can actually buy one

and actually get that warranty now

they've defended you as they should

because those cars are awfully

expensive Mclaren has had electrical

Gremlins they have but their new arura

is more production oriented and ready

than any of their prior McLarens have

ever been so that's that's a great thing

people are throwing out Lotus and miror

we shall see if it works like the the

iora then I would say yes Lamborghini is

Audi underneath so I think here's the

thing if you're buying a Lamborghini

product and your reasoning is not to

wrap it put big wheels on it and make it

twice its horsepower from the factory it

will probably run or jump it with 93

miles on the odometer the reality is I

don't think most people buying those

will do that I look my Lotus has been

incredibly reliable the amgt I think is

probably wickedly expensive to keep

running but I doubt random stuff

breaks yeah and Kyle you added Corvettes

yes they are aspirational but everybody

is identifying various cars the Amira is

absolutely aspirational but Lotus as a

brand the Electra will just have to see

we don't I mean this is a kind of a new

era for almost every car manufacturer so

they have their standouts that are those

specific cars that are aspirational like

the M2 like a Corvette like a 911 like

any one of the specific cars that we're

naming but as a brand McLaren's up there

for me I feel like there's Winds of

Change and new things I've I've become

more of a McLaren fan than i' ever have

the past and they're they're kind of my

jam okay Aaron's asking a question I

feel like there there's there's a couple

questions here but I'll answer the most

direct way he says he's curious about

the approximate ratio of video

production time between planning filming

editing final length or whatever steps

he's missing Aon there are so many steps

um the uh the the planning is fits and

starts because we have to try to figure

out when the car can land and that's you

know there may be a lot of work and then

it goes quiet for a while and then there

may be a lot more work and then up until

like like the day before the shoot

there's a lot of that extra planning

there uh filming rough estimate for one

of our big Productions assume six hours

of production per car so if we have five

cars a lot of production happens

sometimes that's not the case but that's

a rough estimate there editorial is

going to be uh you know probably 80

hours for a big piece give or take 80

hours where editorial I'm including

going through the footage editing it

coloring it mixing it let's just assume

8s time to send the rest of us clips of

things that will never be seen just like

guys look at what you just said on

camera exactly that will never be seen

that happens too uh we though we need to

make more of those shorts but they are

funny um but but literally some of our

bigger pieces like road trips and stuff

the things that are an hour long that's

way over 80 things that are short are

faster but then you know it also depends

on the scale of the project our road

trip Took a ton of planning ton of

shooting is still in edit but this piece

that's coming out

Thursday we shot this

weekend yes because it's the new build

car yeah so that happened fast light

build it's not even a build it's just I

can't wait changes we're going to have

fun with it it's it's gonna be fun sir

Bob says his Porsche 996 square is

making a noise that might be bore

scoring this is after an engine out to

replace all the gaskets and the IMs

bearing please pour one out for you I am

so sorry that

sucks that doesn't make it not a great

car I mean the platform itself is a

great car to drive it's just yeah the

the engines Porsche had a problem with

those engines the m96 engines they just

had a big issue with them and I'm very

sorry to hear that stinks Russell is

asking what time what amount of time I

run the Elise with the top off versus on

he's got an 05 and the top is probably

off 90% of the time so much easier on

entry and exit when I bought it I made

sure that mine had a hard top available

like was part of what I bought and I

thought I was going to run with the hard

top 75% of the time the hard I'm getting

to the rest of your question the hard

top is on 10% of my ownership I'm amazed

at how rarely I run the hard top and I

love having the soft top soft top is off

when it's cool enough the problem I have

is it's over about 80 degrees in the

middle of the day and sunny I just I'm

baking in the car and the car is hot

enough as it is so that's why I like

having the top on but in the in the cool

of the evening or cool of the morning I

love having it off it's amazing it

really depends a lot on whether you said

it's easier on entry and exit it's

unbelievably easier with the top off and

I've joked about this before one of my

favorite uh Lotus moments ever for the

general public was when I pulled into

drive-thru and you know the sill comes

way down to here and the window's only

this tall and they've got to hand me

stuff so I popped the top and rolled it

back to clicks so I had this big opening

awes for fast food yeah it was

ridiculous Dr in the food exactly just

come here and I'll fix my roof in a

minute yeah exactly what happened uh

let's see Richard says what used exotic

supercar Driving Experience is worth all

the hassle it brings with owning it

you're talking about a Driving

Experience so not like a Vegas Driving

Experience no he's talking own which one

is worth the hassle what's worth the the

struggle of having it as an ownership I

interesting question Richard can't get

past what else he could do with the cost

the money like buy better less expensive

cars that's been our Mantra forever even

though we love all the Exotics too but

we want to find Exotics that can take

the beating that's why I love Porsches

so much the engines from the 996 carers

did have some issues but still it

doesn't seem like any car manufact

escapes that every car company has some

sort of Bugaboo about whatever model

year on that particular car just didn't

come together and it wasn't great

so if if it's gonna be an Exotics ah I I

would hesitate forari I would really

hesitate Ferrari I just I'm not sold on

him but but this is this is the

difficulty Richard this is a sliding

scale question because the truth is if

you want no hassle in owning something

you're not buying any kind of sports car

because it's going to be less usable

it's going to consume things more you're

just going to buy yourself some commute

device that we all talk about as being

loathsome and you're going to go on with

your life so where is your personal

sliding scale I think has to do with

your budget and and your income where's

your personal sliding scale for that's

as much as I can tolerate okay because

like I love the idea of owning an e type

but I'm never going to drive that car

often or hard and I know that the buyin

is way be on me and the cost of anything

goes wrong is going to be horrifying but

then I think about Matt Farah who has

that Kos that he bought yeah but if

you've ever followed his his recent

podcast at all he took it in to you know

while you're in there kind of servicing

and they've pretty much got the entire

kunas apart we talked about it last time

we were on his podcast they pulled out

the engine and the gearbox has to come

with it it's this weird fishing thing

it's horrifying he's taking the whole

thing apart but the truth is while it's

blindingly expensive the car is worth so

much

that he's like we may as well fix it so

where is your sliding scale now that's

that's weird because that's a super

expensive car and it's going up in value

so there's lots of things there Jay Leno

I know I'm in the highend has talked

about the same thing with McLaren's the

McLaren F1 is now so expensive that guys

have started driving them because

they're going up in value you may as

well spend the money but you and I bulk

at something that's over 60 Grand

because what if it cost me more than

that I will say a V12 manual Ferrari is

worth the hassle but bring the cash okay

so mandal that is the Ferrari that I

will recommend mandal with V8 somewhat

cheap somewhat cheap you're still gonna

put money into it yes it's it's exotic

by virtue of the care and feeding you

have to put into it that makes it exotic

but the reactions when you say yes to

people's question hey is that a Ferrari

and you get to say

yes you're not driving a Lotus so

they're confused yeah you are in a

different category that's it mandals

that I I'm attracted to them because

they are so cheap and you don't have to

put the money well you do it's exotic

but it's a cheap exotic what do we think

is the cheapest entry into something

with Magna ride uh vets have had it for

a while the Chevy SS has got it that's a

good one as well those are both very

good uh Mandy is wanting me to call out

the Discord if you'd like to continue

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on and go wow it's grown since the last

time we were here which is like the day

before for me but still it's very cool

let's see Ryan stamp is saying to me

that I just stated all manufacturers are

resetting so the question is is Ford

going back to its roots and just

producing cars for the masses excluding

the Mustang yes I see it in their

business plan I see it in blue oval City

the more that I read about blue oval

City it's entirely designed to spit out

five- seat SUVs that are all EVs and

that is resetting to their roots in a

way because they're just huge mass

production just that's got to be bread

and butter I mean they're I mean the

truck is F-150 is not their Roots

necessarily but it kind of is because

they made it for so long I mean that

just comes right out of the factory and

they just sell those trucks that's yeah

I I kind of feel like the all the

options that are on the table and

continue to be explored I'm doing a lot

of reading about about uh solid state

batteries now and really understanding

more about what could be and the

potential for that which is amazing

however we're not there yet so my

question to all of you is what happens

between then and now that space of all

the EVS that are going to be built with

uh lithium ion

batteries what are what's GNA happen to

all those cars because okay they'll

still be around but I don't want the low

range and the used battery that that car

represents so no I'm not going to buy

that I want the newest hottest latest

technology so I think every car

manufacturer is going to apply new

technology because it's coming at us so

quickly they're gonna apply it

differently Mazda is gonna apply it

completely differently to the Miata they

have to obligated absolutely in order to

keep anything connected to the roots yes

everybody will apply it differently and

so we're we're entering a different age

but I see a lot of future promise from

all this because manufacturers will do

different things I mean Honda and and

Acura with the ZDX that's built on GM's

ultium platform does that mean it will

drive just like the Blazer and the lyric

and whatever comes from Buick and all

the same chassis Silverado e and the

Hummer and this is a problem yeah so hji

Bob says any fast blast in the work I

want to clarify this our fast blasts

were something we did for our original

Channel and that became what we do on

test drive we now call them test drive

there's one every Sunday let's see the

last one was the alpha ton on this

channel just yesterday actually and this

coming week here's a here's a spoiler

this coming week we have our wrap up of

this year's awesome pilgrimage trip if

you went on pilgrimage this year you've

been wondering where your video

compilation is that is coming this week

and it's it's really very very good

that's coming soon yeah if you didn't go

on the trip and you're wondering um

could I be in that video in the future

yes you can it's not the reason to go on

the trip but you can be in the video yes

that's the only reason that's the only

reason to go fail the money you're on

track but that's irrelevant you just

want to be in the video you can do that

too so it's designed to to make it so we

want you to we want you to be there

Devon Bane is calling out Ferrari 308s

yes those are pretty interesting though

I feel like they're still going up 308s

328s everything's going up it's

unbelievable how much things have grown

but anyway we have not I have not seen

Carlos the Grand Turismo movie I just I

can't can't take it seriously I can't

take it seriously I keep seeing Orlando

Bloom and I and I and I instantly jump

to Lord of the Rings and I'm just like

really really this is where we are I

just I I just saw it advertised as Rocky

with cars that's a big no for me no

that's but that's a desperate attempt to

get non-car people to go is Stallone in

the film he's not but it's a desperate I

can see hey struct with cars and RAC

structurally I can totally see it it's

your Underdog you've got your training

montage you've got your old cragly guy

that says you're never going to do it

even though he's not old Olden kagley

David Harbor but anyway you've got uh

you've got all these people that are

saying kid you'll never make it this

isn't for you I I the structurally it's

very similar and it's a desperate

attempt to get people that will go to a

boxing movie or think Rocky's amazing to

go to a movie about cars because to the

person that's not a car person it's a

movie about racing I don't care about

racing I'm not gonna go I hate to say it

but that's the truth I just think it

looks

goofy alone enter the conversation and I

know it's going to be bad because it's

it's a car movie centered around cars

there's no car movie even Lama with

Steve McQueen was back in the day it was

amazing film making but now by today's

standards it's kind of slow things don't

move very quickly well they had to go

through director number two because

Steve was out there still shooting races

again and nobody had worried about

things like you know plot and script

true it's thin on those kinds of things

still amazing I it's cool to see knowing

knowing how it was made but when when

like the major dramatic moments or one

driver looks at the other and goes

you got problems I mean you got issues

I'm just saying just the two fingers

that that must be the Wrangler wave I

got that when we had I2 rangler maybe it

is I was like hey they acknowledge me

sweet Lord of the nurur gring thank you

Erin that's very very good yeah all

right let's see Grand Turismo movie

sorry it's just it's gonna be bad there

are no movies with cars fast and furious

is an Ode to bad movies about cars

that's like leading the pack but then

all the rest of them it's like a

graveyard of bad movies Ford versus

Ferrari is excellent okay that is the

stand up thank you for the

Sav from Ron Howard Ron Howard is a very

interesting filmmaker if you look up Ron

Howard on IMDb and look at the stuff

he's done I'm I'm struggled to see any

modern filmmaker who's worked in more

varied genres or settings than Ron

Howard this is the guy that made far and

away okay Western Land Rush movie Apollo

13 and rush just those three forget

Backdraft and a bunch of other stuff

he's done but anyway but Rush is a

fantastic hisorical film about real

things went on in racing but because

it's a old car racing movie by and large

nobody went so you wind up with Gran

Turismo having to be sold as Rocky with

cars

because it is very good I forgot about

that so we've got two movies that are

and I just read from 86 on here about

Days of Thunder revive since Tom has now

done Top Gear too or Top Gear Top Gun oh

he comes back to he comes back in Days

of Thunder this is but this is all the

catalog this is what the Brad Pit movie

F1 movie is going to

bead not embarrass he plays the older

guy he plays if you will the Maverick

the old Maverick in the F1 movie that's

exactly how it's set up but that's for

F1 let's have NASCAR and Tom Cruz back

doing Days of Thunder 2 he's the Crusty

mechanic I'm bringing it full circle

because Stallone did a car movie where

he did exactly what Brad Pitt's doing in

the F1 movie that was Indie Cars it was

Stallone he's going to come back by by

the way Stallone is not built like a

rock climber I'm looking at you

Cliffhanger and he's not built like an

F1 driver and he comes back in in what

was it called driven driil I mean driven

Dil and and he's the he's the big mentor

and then that's exactly what Brad Pit's

gonna do in this F1 movie he's gonna

play that role hopefully it doesn't suck

we'll see let's see oh and Jordan says

the car chase in the beginning of six

underground was a blast Jordan did you

know there is a Maserati Quattro Porte

in there it gets totally wrecked it's

just decimated when tumbles you can see

the cage you can see the cage in there

which is really cool Porte was awesome

you're right that excellent Jordan

that's one of my all-time favorite car

chases because Michael Bay here's the

thing he went to Art Center where you

went yes and then he went out he left

art center and he became like the go-to

guy for TV commercials for car makers

and he was on like contract with BMW for

a while when BMW was doing their

ultimate driving machine stuff he was

their guy and so I still think that if

you watch any Michael Bay movie and you

may have seen you watch any Michael Bay

movie when they are at their height is

anytime it gets a car chase then they're

awesome they're really good very strong

Transformers is like a Pepsi commercial

with robots from space yeah well what

was the Clive Owens series for BMW who

did that who directed those uh all kinds

of people that was the gag frankenheimer

and David Fincher and every single one

was directed by a different guy those

were interesting those are 20 years or

more old really really good the higher

thank you Devin yes that was fantastic

but that was uh it wasn't necessarily

about cars it was BMW heavy but it there

was actually a plot to it it was

actually pretty interesting well it was

also the thing that really launched

Clive Owen into another category too

which yeah we need to go revisit that

because I just need something to clean

out the car movie brain here oh man

let's

see holy moly we're already at the top

of the hour we got a few more to do but

it's great stuff baby driver is another

Excellent Car movie even though it's

it's a heist movie I couldn't get

through that movie I couldn't get

through the first 20 minutes of baby

driver baby driver not the not the

driven one with a driver really I'm S I

turned that off okay I could not get

through I'm sorry good but okay all

right it's also really funny to me that

in the opening scene of that movie they

used three different wrx's to be one WRX

because they had to have special wrx's

that would do things like rewh Drive

drift no they they like built specific

ones to do specific stunts which is very

very cool some great driving in that

movie okay so we need best villain car

villain car I still come back to Ronin

that movie is a definitive great movie

it's not a car movie but the car chases

in that are definitive still to this day

and they were real too that's what made

it special so it would be the uh the

M5 uh and the lead and oh yeah um Jean

Reno stands up out of the sunroof for

the brown Mercedes diesel fires a rocket

at the car yeah you you keep coming back

to that that's really funny somebody is

throwing shade at Oppenheimer and I um

yeah the the weirdest thing about

Oppenheimer Anthony is I will say this

it is really not a movie about dropping

a bomb which you'd think that's what the

movie's about admit I have not seen it

yet really not about that and and if you

kind of go in expecting that then we're

yeah it the whole bomb-dropping part of

it is is like it's like a side plot h

which is not what you expect so yeah I

totally I get where you're going I see

you're thinking I think it was excellent

though let's see Aaron Butler saying of

the early 1980s poster cars tester roa's

959s and Kos the tester Roa is the only

five figure car today is it the cheap

1980s hero or justly priced for not

being very good see I love the tester

Roa that is one of my faves yeah watch

our inspiration piece that we did for TV

that was me driving the E type and you

driving the tester Ro and us talking

about the influence that they both cars

had on us that piece is YouTube and

actually is it's one of the ones I'm

most proud of it worked out really

really well and you say some great

things about the testos in I think it is

unloved in that group I think it is much

better than people suspect it to be yeah

and it's got the Ferrari Monterey car

week overlap so it's like including

testos is in the Absurd pricing now that

they're just shooting up in value now

which is crazy if we have a pool of

Porsche do we have a font of Ferrari or

the lake of Lexus possibly except except

I I think the the thing about the pool

of Porsche is when people enter they

don't

leave once people find Porsche and

decide all they'd like to do is buy

Porscha I feel like there's no talking

them out of a Porsche product all they

want to do is buy Porsche this guy and I

do feel like guys that buy Ferraris

typically see the issues with a Ferrari

or other brands they're like even if

they keep buying them they're like aware

but the fact that they break you're

talking about is that one of the issues

that they break easy there's a whole

there's a whole subplot on here but

anyway yeah hybrid electric power system

failure um Colin is asking a very

interesting question that could be

another 20 minutes I'm not going to go

that far but he says is more engagement

always better for enthusiast cars at

what point does engagement overstep

enjoyment and become an annoy annoyance

Colin the three of us Paul and I and

chance have debated this heavily of late

because we have the C8 which is heavy

and fantastic to be in and great to Road

trip in and the Counterpoint to my Lotus

and we have my Elise yes and because of

our recent road trips and recent shoots

all three of us have driven my Elise and

chance has one of the loudest exhaust

street cars I've ever encountered yes

and he gets out of my Elise and goes

that's just too much for me which I

think is hysterical by the way that that

happens uh but but but I get in it and

I'm I'm very sound sensitive and I

actually think it's amazing I just deal

with it I put on my headphones I call it

a day and you appreciate it but you're

always happy to get out so among the

three of us we are all obsessed with

cars we're all obsessed with cars giving

us Sensations when we drive but yet just

among us and we're also all the same

siiz guys that's the other thing that's

interesting and yet just Among Us who

fits in what who prefers what varies a

lot I do think for the average person

there is a very low tolerance which is

why most sports cars and supercars have

gotten so stayed and so distant because

the average person wants their sports

car to be as casting as their their

luxury car and they shouldn't it

shouldn't be that way but they want that

because they got used to it and they're

like why this is just this ride's rough

and it's loud and why does the

transmission do that and so this is the

problem I told you years ago I was at a

car show and I overheard two people

talking about the latest Ferrari it was

on the stand and one of them commented

said look at that interior it's nowhere

near as luxurious as the Mercedes i'

totally get the Mercedes my jaw hit the

floor I couldn't believe that's what I

heard but that's where we were and yes

vampire bear guy Richie did the one with

cly o and Madonna because they were

married at the time uh they aren't

married anymore but they were at the

time and that is one of the funnier ones

because M Madonna agrees to kind of be

abused over the course of that she ends

up being this super Diva and so he

drives really aggressively and throws

her around the car because it's guy

Richie and she was married to him and it

was early on in their marriage and she

agreed to it and that one is very very

funny if you can find it

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filthy from the last time we shot it and

I did you do it the cannon blast did you

do the I literally did just there

there's there's multiple products I

literally did just the one that is just

the cleaning product sprayed that off

dried it down 15 minutes you didn't even

do the gloss over the top of it car

looked brilliant wow and this this is my

style of cleaning Paul's style of

cleaning it's going to look a level I

can't even fathom my style is we need to

get stuff done I got to get out of here

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