A Prius is a small Toyota that uses a gas engine plus an electric motor. It’s designed to use less fuel than many regular cars. The podcast brings it up because it’s a common ride-share car.
The Hyundai Kona is a small SUV from Hyundai. It’s designed for everyday driving with a higher seating position than a typical sedan. The podcast mentions it because it was included in a collection of different cars.
Ford is the car company making the Mustang. They’re talking about what types of cars they want to build more of, like trucks and SUVs, and whether they’d ever do a sedan Mustang.
Jim Farley is the top executive at Ford. The point here is that his comments about what Ford wants to build can influence whether ideas like a sedan Mustang ever happen.
The Porsche Panamera is a four-door Porsche that’s meant to drive like a sports car. It’s an example of a performance brand making a sedan instead of only coupes.
The BMW 6 Series is a luxury car line from BMW. It’s usually aimed at comfortable long-distance driving while still offering performance. The podcast mentions it as one of the interesting BMW models people talk about.
EcoBoost is Ford’s way of making a gas engine that uses a turbo to feel powerful without being as big as a V8. The host is saying a Mustang sedan might use that kind of engine.
Crash testing is how automakers check how safe a car is in accidents. They do controlled tests to see how well the structure protects people, and it’s a big part of designing a new vehicle.
An EV platform is the basic “underlying design” for electric cars. A universal one means the company can use the same core design for many different EV models.
“EV roller skate” is a nickname for an electric-car design where the battery is placed low like the base of a skateboard. That helps the car feel stable and easy to handle.
The Mustang Mach-E is a Ford electric vehicle that uses the Mustang name. It’s not a classic Mustang sports car—it’s more like a crossover—so some people were surprised by the naming.
“Mustang DNA” is basically a way of saying the car should still feel like a Mustang. Even if it’s a different body style or powertrain, Ford wants it to be sporty and fast in the way people expect.
“GT” is Ford’s label for a more performance-oriented Mustang. In this conversation, it’s mentioned as part of the lineup of faster, enthusiast-focused versions.
The Dodge Charger is a performance-oriented American sedan/coupe lineage that has historically appealed to buyers wanting a sporty feel with more practicality than a two-door. The host contrasts the “new Dodge Charger” not selling like the older one, then mentions plans to retool and add a gas engine—implying that powertrain choices affect demand.
A hybrid car uses two energy sources, usually a gas engine and an electric motor. The idea here is that hybrids can keep some of the familiar driving feel while still adding the benefits of electrification.
The Ford F-150 is a popular pickup truck. This part is about Ford’s hybrid version—using both gas and electric power—and the host says it’s doing well with customers.
The Bronco is an SUV designed to handle rough roads and off-road trails. The podcast talks about a high-performance Bronco variant that could use hybrid technology. That would mean combining an electric system with a gas engine for power and efficiency.
The “Hurricane engine” is a named engine that Dodge has talked about for performance. The host’s point is that even a strong-sounding engine number doesn’t guarantee people will care about the car.
“Hellcat” is Dodge’s name for a very high-performance engine. The host is saying that even if Dodge adds a V8 and supercharging later, it might still not be enough to fix the car’s problem.
The Challenger is a muscle car that’s built for strong performance. The podcast talks about versions with a V8 engine and a supercharger, which help it make a lot of power. It’s mentioned because those engine options are a big part of what people want from the car.
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R&D facility
R&D is where companies do engineering work to develop new technology. The host is saying that making an EV-only car is simpler if the team is already set up for electric powertrains.
The Lamborghini Urus is Lamborghini’s SUV. It’s a supercar brand’s take on a practical, everyday-ish SUV, and the host mentions it to show how exotic cars are common in their area.
Performance tires are built for better grip and handling. They can wear out faster than regular tires, which is part of why this regulation debate is happening.
This is about making rules stricter over time. In this case, it could limit which tires can be sold in California, especially some high-grip aftermarket options.
This sounds like a government or regulatory program that tries to influence what replacement tires you’re allowed or encouraged to buy. The goal here is to discourage certain super-grippy “soft” tires and push more efficient options.
That phrase means the car would make more than 1,000 horsepower, which is an enormous amount of power. The host is using it to emphasize how wild the rumored electric M3 concept would be.
The BMW M3 is a performance-focused BMW, made to be faster and more exciting than a regular 3 Series. The podcast mentions that people want it to make extremely high horsepower. It also says BMW is open to that kind of performance target.
The BMW M5 is a super-fast BMW sedan made by BMW’s performance division. Here, the hosts are saying the newer M5 feels too heavy and not as “true” to the M-brand as older versions.
The BMW M1 is a famous older BMW supercar. In this clip it’s just being used as a reference for how the new car’s styling feels—more dramatic and special than a normal BMW.
The Pontiac GTO is a famous muscle-car model from Pontiac. The key point here is that, in the era they’re talking about, you could get it with different engines and even a manual transmission.
A manual transmission is when you choose the gears yourself with a clutch and a gear stick. It can feel more engaging because you’re controlling the shifting.
Le Mans is a world-famous long-distance race in France. Cars race for a long time, so it’s not just about speed—it’s also about lasting the whole event.
The Ferrari Dino 208 GT4 is a classic Ferrari sports car. It’s known for being a mid-engine car, meaning the engine sits closer to the center of the vehicle. The podcast mentions it because someone had a modified Dino and talked about it in detail.
An engine swap means putting a different engine into a car than what it originally came with. It’s a big job because the engine has to be physically fitted and the car’s electronics and fuel system usually need changes too.
Motec engine management is an aftermarket engine computer. It helps control how the engine runs—like fuel and timing—so a modified engine can be tuned to work correctly and make power.
Motec is a company that makes high-end aftermarket engine computers and control systems. “Motec fuel” usually means the fuel is being managed by that aftermarket system for better tuning.
Individual throttle bodies mean each cylinder gets its own throttle valve. That can make the engine respond more sharply to your foot and helps the engine breathe more precisely.
A “turnkey” build means you can buy a car that’s already been fully worked on and is ready to drive. The host is saying these companies are making modified cars that people trust enough to pay top dollar for.
Hot rods are older cars that have been modified to look cooler and drive better. The host is saying that hot rods used to sell for less, but now buyers are paying more for the good ones.
Pro touring cars are classic cars that get upgraded so they handle and drive more like modern sports cars. The host’s point is that if you personalize it too wildly, fewer people will want it, which can hurt resale value.
A “plus size wheel” means the car has bigger wheels than it came with from the factory. People do this for looks, and sometimes to make the car feel more responsive, but it can change ride comfort and how tires wear.
The Porsche 959 is a famous, very rare Porsche supercar from the 1980s. The host is saying that if you modify or destroy one, it’s a big deal because the 959 is so valuable.
They mean the “cheapest” Ferrari option in that era. It’s not saying the car is simple—just that it was the lowest-priced one compared to the rest of the brand’s lineup.
This is talking about a Porsche 911 Turbo from the 930 generation. The point is that older 1980s turbo models can now sell for huge money, and people buy them as real drivers—not just garage trophies.
The Chevelle is a classic Chevrolet muscle car. It’s known for being a performance car from earlier decades. The podcast mentions it because it’s part of someone’s personal history and car collection.
“Fox bodies” is Mustang-speak for an older Mustang generation. People like them because it’s relatively straightforward to upgrade them with newer engines and transmissions.
That phrase means taking an older car and installing newer powertrain parts. It’s often done to make the car faster and easier to drive than the original setup.
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Hey, Matt, have you...
Have you ever left anything in a...
Have you ever been in a taxi cab?
In a taxi or an Uber?
Yes.
Any of those?
Yes.
What did you end up leaving behind?
Okay. So it wasn't me.
This is what...
Let's just talk about a debacle.
And so I was at the SEMA show
and Adam Grohle came out
and was he at the SEMA show?
I guess he was at the SEMA show
or he was doing a show out there.
I mean, obviously it was one of those two things.
And man, he took a Uber to the airport
and left his phone in the car.
And so I'm getting calls from him.
I'll get calls from his assistant and their frantic and...
You weren't getting calls from him
because he left his phone in the car.
Yeah, well, I was calling from the office at the time
and it was frantic.
He's like, I left my phone and I got all these contacts
and I got to get the phone back.
And I was like, I'm at the show.
I'm here and how are we going to find it?
And then...
So this was interesting.
The thing was, we used Find My Phone, right?
Okay.
So he tracked his assistant.
Tracked the phone.
This was in Vegas?
So the phone was in Vegas, they're back in California
but I'm still there for the rest of the SEMA show.
Adam already went home.
Oh, he was going to like the airport or something.
Yeah, he was going to the airport.
He probably came out for like an event with us on a Wednesday.
Right, do an autograph signing appearance.
He probably did a show Wednesday night and then he was gone.
He was flying back.
And I remember it was a Wednesday because on Thursday
they're blowing me up and they're like,
oh, my phone, phone.
And I'm trying to...
I remember at the time we were doing a Shift and Steer podcast live
probably with Magnaflow.
And I was like, I can't do it now.
We're in the middle of a show.
You've got to give me an hour.
And so Adam's assistant Matt Fundalier was tracking the phone
but it wasn't moving.
So I was like, great, it's in the back of this guy's Uber
which is, I don't know, a Prius or something.
Right.
And he's not working today, right?
And there was no way to call this guy or contact this guy.
So I think I had a car.
I don't know if I was driving a car
or I had to leave an Uber.
I don't even remember.
I think I don't remember driving a car.
So I left the scene of the show, went out to the big lot,
got another Uber and I couldn't track Adam's phone.
His assistant was doing it while he was on the phone with me
and he tracked it to an address.
And I just walked up to some dude's house and knocked on his door
and I was like, hey, my phone is in your car.
And he's like, oh, what?
And I was like, yeah, we took an Uber.
I just said to me, right?
I didn't want to confuse things.
Yeah.
We took an Uber.
It's in the car.
Sorry to bother you.
And the guy's like, oh, all right.
And he was nice about it.
Gave me the phone.
All was good.
It was still in the car.
It wasn't like you tried to steal it or anything.
You're lucky.
It fell between like the seats or something.
It was just on the back seat.
And I guess somebody else didn't care.
Oh, so he must have been last ride of the day or something.
Yeah, or last ride or something, right?
So he went, he got it.
And then I had to go back to SEMA to finish more stuff.
I had interviews or another show with you guys.
I don't remember what.
And Adam's like, FedEx it, FedEx it.
You'll have it here.
And I went and I FedExed it.
But FedEx was like, it didn't go out to the next.
It was SEMA FedEx.
Yeah.
But it was like, it couldn't go out to the next day because like the SEMA show FedEx,
whatever, like closes at three or four or something like that.
Right.
And they don't, they don't have a pickup from the FedEx guy.
So I was like, here you go FedEx it.
I don't even know if they told me that.
And then after we looked at the receipt and they're like, oh, you're not getting your
phone on Thursday.
You're getting your phone on Friday.
And, and I just remember running around and trying to get this damn
thing and talking on the phone a dozen times and using find my phone or whatever to get
it.
It was such a pain in the ass.
And then the next, the next day Adam was telling this story on the podcast, but he's like,
but Matt didn't get it in FedEx quick enough.
So I got it, you know, like, I'm like, I just spent six hours on trying to get your damn
phone.
You're running into people's, you know, nondescript person's homes, but yeah.
Yeah.
Begging outdoors, leaving the, you know, like leaving my job theory, you know, like my SEMA
job and get it there.
And, you know, as, as a favor, which I was happy to do, but come on, you're going to,
you're going to, you're going to shit on me a little bit because it didn't get to FedEx.
So you missed another overnight.
And I was like, all right.
But yeah, not something I'd ever want to go through again, leaving something in Uber.
What'd you leave in Uber?
Your wife?
I, my life.
Charlotte.
No, dude, I, I, I was in Vegas, not Vegas, you were in Vegas.
I was in New York city in that, gosh, I think it was the late 1980s and.
You weren't in an Uber.
No, I was in a taxi cab.
That's what's amazing.
I was in a tax cab and this is back when we all had those, those leather books.
That was our phone, you know, all your appointments, all your phone numbers.
Yeah.
Everything's in there.
And in my case, my credit cards were in there and, and I, I had, you know, looked at where
I was staying, I think, told the taxi cab driver, set it on the seat and it was black leather.
So when I got out, grabbed my bags and stuff, tax cab gets away.
I figured it out the minute I got up to the front desk to check into the hotel and realized,
oh, shit, I don't have my, my credit cards.
Well, they're really nice.
They checked me in anyway.
And, and, and I'm like, oh my God, what am I going to do?
I mean, I'm like calling the taxi cab company and they're like, oh, somebody turns it in,
you know, enough to be you, pal.
You know, I mean, you know, it was like, and I, I just didn't know what to do.
I just, excuse me.
Um, I did not know what to do and about two in the morning, I get a phone call and it's
this guy and he goes, Hey, uh, is your name Brad Fanshawn?
I said, yes, it is.
I said, right at the moment it's mud, but yeah, because I had an appointment in the
morning, actually at the time it was, uh, an appointment to talk to some guys about
taking over all of the merchandising for the Rolling Stones.
And, and how did he call you?
Well, this is what's amazing.
He, um, this guy looked in there, looked at the date, looked at where I had said I,
oh, I'm staying at the whatever hotel and he called and asked for me because my name
was on the credit cards and, and they put him through and he goes, Hey, I, I must have
jumped in the cab right after you.
I found your book and he goes, I knew what it would be like if I lost mine.
And, uh, and he goes, uh, so I want to get this over to you.
So in the morning, I'll have somebody messenger it over to you.
And I, I was like, Oh my God, thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
And, and I, uh, I got his name and his number and, um, hung up and I needed it because I
needed to know where my appointment was the next day.
And, um, so I, first thing in the morning, I mean, seven in the morning, that thing was
there.
I tried to flip the guy 50 bucks who delivered it and he goes, Oh no, no, because I was paid
by so-and-so and, uh, and I go, well, well, can I give you 50 bucks to give to him?
You know, and, and he goes, he goes, listen, he doesn't need it.
He's the editor of the, of the Wall Street Journal.
He doesn't need it.
And I'm like, and I'm like, what?
And so I called him and, and turned out he was the editor of the Wall Street Journal
and he, and he was just so cool and he got it back to me.
And I was just like, I was thanking him.
Like, let me take you to dinner.
He's, ah, no, he goes, I'd want, he goes, I just hope somebody does it to me if I ever
need it, you know?
Yeah.
And I was just like, wow.
But, but what?
He called you at two in the morning because he was like your breath.
What he knew I was probably stressing, you know?
And he's like, uh, I'm starting to call you so late, but, you know, I tapped out all
your cards and there's nothing left.
Now that I'm at the strip joint and all your cards, do you have any more?
Yeah.
So I just figured I'd call and give you, let you know that your cash is gone and, and
I showed up at your appointment in the morning.
Exactly.
I'm gonna show up there and find out.
But I made photocopies of everything.
What brings this up is, I found this thing, Uber every year has been publishing that
they track what's left behind, you know, the things that are turned in, at least I imagine.
And how many things are living like a baby or an animal?
Well, uh, funny you'd say that because they actually had someone how they did this.
I don't know.
I think this was on purpose.
Someone left a 75 gallon fish tank in the back.
I mean, that's pretty big fish tank.
Okay.
Um, somebody left a dishwasher or how big was that dishwasher?
You know, I mean, at what point is it, it's cheaper to take an Uber around the block
and leave your dishwasher in the back than pay to have it hauled to the dump, right?
Yeah.
Um, how about this one?
This is an LS engine block.
Really?
Now that's gotta be like, can I put this in the trunk?
They get out in the car poles away, you know, or something, you know?
Um, the other one, some of the stranger ones, the most unusual items was a child's prosthetic
eye.
Wow.
A bag of hair.
That's kind of weird.
That's weird.
A gold mouth grill.
Okay.
You know, uh, so some weird stuff.
Uh, some of that you wouldn't want to find back there.
Uh, but, um, some of the, the top 10, number 10 on the list, loaded firearms.
Yeah.
I know.
I made that up.
I made that up.
Okay.
That doesn't surprise me though.
I know.
Wouldn't surprise me either.
That's why I said it.
I think it's probably 11.
Um, uh, number 10 is a laptop.
Makes sense.
Yeah.
You know, a lot of people travel with laptops.
Number nine, jewelry.
Uh, it seems a little weird.
I mean, you know, what do you take your ring off and leave it on the, you know, I don't
know.
Um, uh, eight is a no brainer.
Uh, glasses.
Sure.
I mean, you know, I could see that.
Uh, number seven, number seven.
It's a form of identification, Matt.
What do you think it might be?
Uh, passport.
Ding, ding, ding, ding.
Yes.
Um, and then, uh, number six seems like it'd be number one, but clothes.
You know.
Okay.
Well, I think number one.
Jack it off for a sweater or, you know, uh, number five phone or probably like number
one and two.
Yeah.
What is wallet and phone?
Um, number five headphones or iPods.
Yeah.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
Number four makes sense.
Keys.
Yeah.
Number three.
This tells me it's a lazy, uh, a lazy, um, driver luggage.
Yeah.
He didn't open the trunk and the pulled away, you know, or something.
Yeah.
Or somebody had a nice cocktail on the flight.
Yeah.
Or two or three or four.
Number two.
Is wallet.
Yeah.
Number one.
Is it?
Adam Crawlett's phone.
Is a black leather daytime.
And nobody has those anymore.
No, they don't.
They don't even know what they are.
They don't even know what it is.
Somebody's looking it up right now.
What's a day timer?
Um, and number one is a, um, blackberry.
Uh, I don't know about that.
Oh, okay.
A phone.
A phone.
It's a phone.
Yeah.
It's a phone.
Sidekick.
It's a sidekick.
Yeah.
So, uh, so you can tell, uh, Adam, he's number one.
Yes.
Listen, he's, he's in there with the rest of the people.
It's not a big deal.
It's all good.
Not a big deal.
Hey, you going to Texas anytime soon?
I, um, not going to Texas anytime soon.
Okay.
Well, if anybody listening is.
Any of our million listeners, um, they may want to be wary of red zones.
And this is not like the NFL red zones either.
Uh, but they have instituted something new.
And what it is, is if you're driving along on the highway and you see 75
miles an hour or 55 miles an hour, but it's surrounded, the sign is
surrounded with a red band.
Yeah.
That means that Republicans.
What's that?
It's Republican.
Yes.
That's it.
That's to say, don't, don't mess around and don't be liberal around
here, man.
We're in Texas.
Um, no, it's, it's a high enforcement zone.
It's, it's giving you a warning that they are really not 76, not 77, 79,
maybe, but, uh, no, uh, you know, but they're high enforcement zones.
And I guess it's worked really, really well.
Um, but, uh, the federal government says they're not going to mend.
They're not going to roll it out.
They're not doing it.
They're not going to roll it out because let's face it.
Speeding tickets is probably a lot, a lot less about the dangers of
speeding and way more about revenue.
Well, absolutely.
Right.
So if, if you're going to put that red ring around this, the sign, you're,
you're saying you should slow down.
You will get a ticket if you don't slow down.
We're in California.
They're like, we wish you would go 80 and a 60 so we can give you a ticket.
We can give you a big ticket.
Yeah.
Cause we, we want that money.
It's more of a money grab than anything else.
Give me a break.
That's exactly what these, these, these red light tickets, you know,
the camera tickets and all that stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally that.
Hey.
Okay.
Didn't you go somewhere last weekend?
I did.
So I, I was down kind of in your neck of the woods.
I went to the Orange County fairgrounds to fuel fast.
Right down the street.
This is Cody Walker, Paul Walker's brother, Cody Walker's event.
And he's been doing this for years now and he's been growing this thing.
They, they, they kind of take it all over.
I know they've been to Japan and, and all over the country and last year,
I think two years ago it was in Anaheim and then it was in Pomona and now it's the
OC fairgrounds and that worked out.
I think that's a good place for them.
The first one I went to and they had it out at the Anaheim Angels stadium.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
And it, it was, it was kind of new for them.
And a lot of this was, so Paul Walker had a charity for a long time.
And then the idea of this fuel fest was to help fund the charity and it still does,
still raises a lot of money for the charity.
And I went, was it last year?
I think we went last year and then went this year and, and they've got a great team.
I spoke to Cody, people on his team.
I've spoke to the PR people.
We had a lot of conversations about the event and kind of leading up to it.
Cody's been on car casts a couple of times as well.
And it continues to grow.
The difference between Pomona and the OC fairgrounds is Pomona.
Oh, Pomona.
Yeah.
They did some drag racing there.
And obviously you can't at, not legally at least.
Well, you could.
That's fairgrounds.
They had drifting going on.
They had this car show going on.
They do a big concert series, a lot of like hip hop stuff.
And this also fell on Cody Walker's birthday.
So it was kind of a celebration on stage.
He did it just like Trump then.
Yeah.
He did.
Yeah.
He did it like Trump.
Tyrese has always seems to be there,
especially the ones in California and maybe Atlanta or a couple of the events.
They've done it better over the years.
And it's a cool event worth checking out.
It certainly has a theme to it.
It's definitely more of a fast and furious theme.
Tuner cars and drifting cars.
The tuner cars and things like that for sure.
Oftentimes some fast and furious cars or replicas,
quite a few are there as well.
The music, when you look at the schedule to check out the music,
it's a little less seem a fast, right?
A little more, you know, like hip hop and stuff.
So, but everything was, everything was great.
That a great turnout.
I mean, what they've done over the years is you and I have gone to so many events over the years.
The, the ingress coming into the event and their VIP section,
all much better.
The entertainment more dialed in the kind of the emcee that keeps the flow going on way,
you know, way better, more dialed in.
There's a meet and greet section and, you know, lines to meet Tyrese and Cody Walker
and take pictures and, you know, they brought that indoors and gave it a nice area
because they have all those separate buildings down there at the OC Fairground.
So, yeah, they did a great job.
It was a cool event.
I appreciate them for inviting me.
I'll definitely be out there again.
Now, we had a great time kind of toward the end.
When everyone started firing up their cars,
they were all like hitting the revolvers and backfiring.
That was dumb, but, but it's kind of like at the end of SEMA when they do the parade
and all those lifted trucks are hitting the air horns.
And it's the, it's the most uncomfortable, horrible thing.
Like you're there, you're in the audience or you're kind of in the grandstands
or whatever you watch in the parade and they hit those stupid horns
and everyone's just flinching.
Like it makes everyone want to not be there.
So unless they're a 20 year old male, I mean, you know, see, you still don't want to be there.
Like if you're the one in the truck, you're laughing at everybody from screaming
and plugging their ears.
But the one time it's like, it's funny in that it's not for the other 90 trucks that do it.
Like it's terrible.
So that's my gripe about that.
But there was some cool stuff there.
I mean, they had some great cars.
I saw, I think there was a Kona's egg there.
There was a Senna there, a good, good collection of muscle cars, a bunch of tuner cars,
some really built nicely.
And the drifting was just kind of going all the time.
Like they were given ride-alongs and it was a great spectator thing.
And that's something that SEMA Fest is also trying to build out, right?
Like they were trying to figure out the first year, like where do we put the drifting
thing in relation to the stage and fuel Fest has kind of figured it out.
And I know SEMA Fest is getting there.
How was the attendance this year?
It seemed busy.
Like we were able to walk around, but there was definitely a crowd, especially around the stage.
But it was cool because you could still walk around and see all the cars.
You can, you know, you wait a couple of seconds, you can get a photo.
It's not that big of a deal.
And, you know, the stage they did, right?
The stage, you know, they got it up on the rise.
They're higher enough.
Everyone's kind of standing out there.
And you get a good, get a good view of everything.
So I think it was, it was good, sounded good, looked good.
They've got it dialed in.
They're turning that, you know, and they tour this event around.
This is not an easy feat.
They do a bunch of events every year all around the world.
Yeah.
It's hard to put on one event, let alone have them, you know, in multiple locations and then globally.
And to do all of this so quickly, it's just been, you know, a few years, you know,
even if it's 10 years, it's like, that's, it takes a while to turn this in.
Like there's been shows that have been around for a long, long time.
You know, fabulous forwards forever, moon eyes show, things like that.
And every year it's still like, are we getting enough people and then it takes two hours to get
their car in?
You know, was Irwindale a good location?
You know, like, you know, like a lot of that stuff has still becomes an issue.
I can answer one of your questions.
Irwindale is not a good location any longer.
It's not a good location any longer.
It was kind of a tough location for big events already because there's, it's like,
it's not that easy to get cars into, you know?
And you're just out there waiting, waiting, waiting.
One exit off the freeway and coming one way it didn't.
You know, it was weird.
Yeah, it was a weird location that way.
But yeah, it was good.
Cool.
It was a good event.
Did you do any events this weekend?
Did I do any events this weekend?
I did events at my house.
It was called, you know, making sure that the construction was getting done so
that it gets done.
And we're in the home stretch.
And before we start on some more, but right now this is this section getting
done, then I can go on vacation and then come back and do the rest.
Well, Aaron's doing that stuff too.
He's getting ready to move.
If you guys follow him on social media, he posted his video and he was like,
we're moving.
We're finally getting ready to go.
I know where, but he's moving.
He's just going to find a place.
I want to pick your brain about a car idea.
Should we do it now?
When do we take a break?
You know what?
Let's talk a little bit about it, get into it, and then we'll take a break.
So I've been hearing for some time now about a four door sedan Mustang.
I've been hearing rumors of that.
Yes.
Now, Ford was like, we're not doing sedans anymore.
We're doing trucks.
We're doing SUVs.
But then several people at Ford and, you know, Jim Farley, their CEO saying, you
know, so we're not opposed to sedan, but what does that mean?
And they talked about possibly a Mustang.
Now, if you think about it, Dodge had so much success with the Challenger and
a lot of Fast and Furious movies, but when you crunch the numbers, the charger,
the four door outsold the Challenger by, I don't know, two or three times.
Oh yeah.
Way, way old.
Challenger is cool, but everybody wanted the big Mustang.
And then you look at like Porsche when they came out with the Panamera, you know?
Yeah.
It's like, wow, I wasn't too sure about that when they did, but proved me wrong.
So they're selling a lot of Mustangs, but with a four door sports sedan.
And I'm down for a big, you know, for a sports sedan.
If you think about some of the coolest cars we've seen, M5s and, you know, E63, Mercedes,
things like that, you know, Audi's, you know, even the wagon.
Cool stuff.
I'm down for that.
However, when you start looking at, when you start looking at the reality, it seems unlikely
that a Mustang sedan would actually be a gas engine vehicle.
Because now you're talking about taking that Mustang platform and somehow stretching it
and shoving a V8 into it or the EcoBoost engine into it, crash testing, doing all that stuff
when that's not been high up in the food chain of Ford's R&D, right?
They spent a lot on trucks, F-150, and they've been talking so much about this universal
EV platform that's being developed out of Long Beach for its new EV facility out of Long Beach.
Which I actually went down and peaked at.
I was able to get a little invitation and hear a little about what's going on over there.
So this is interesting.
They want to make this sort of this EV roller skate, if you will.
And on top of that, they're going to do their small truck.
They could probably do an SUV.
They could probably do a sedan.
So what are your thoughts if they announce a Mustang sedan?
Now, the Mustang Mach-E, when they announced that Mach-E, people were like,
oh, Mustang is not an SUV.
Mustang's not an EV.
Why are they using the Mustang name there?
Right.
And then Ford was like, yeah, we thought about it, but we could build out Mustang as a brand.
And the sales are pretty decent on that.
They continue to invest in that and they continue to sell it.
And it said it had to have some Mustang DNA, of course, so it needs to be able to be quick
and have performance variants.
And they've done all their special edition versions, right?
They've done the rally one.
They've done the Mach-E performance.
So it's probably a little closer to that than it is to a Mustang coupe or convertible to the gas engine cars.
So your thoughts on Mustang being EV only.
If they keep the sports car as an EcoBoost and all the V8 variants, right,
they've got the Dark Horse, the GT, Dark Horse SC, that's all the performance.
That's where the racing pedigree is.
They're doing all sorts of racing as well.
Does a four-door sedan EV only resonate with you at all?
No.
I think it needs to be, even if it's a hybrid, because what they're looking at is you're going to have,
if you want to capture what Chrysler did with the Challenger or the charger, excuse me,
what you really need to do is give a stepping stone.
A guy who's got a Mustang, he's younger, but now he gets married, he's got kids,
and that's what the charger did.
It was, I can still have a performance car.
It'll be cool, but it's got four doors.
So we can put a baby seat in the back and all that kind of that stepping stone
and give them that car that they feel like they still have that performance Mustang,
but they can take it with them.
Then there's the customer who is a little bit older, wants a little bit more room,
but still wants something sporty.
None of those are, a fraction of them would be all EV.
We look at the Taycan and things like that.
Yeah, you can make it performance, you can make it fast,
but to the American auto buyer, it still doesn't, and they've proved it time and time again
when they've tried to change this stuff over.
I mean, if you look at the new Dodge Charger, it's just not selling like the old one did.
Yeah.
And now they're, oh, we're going to retool and we're going to put a gas motor in it
and stuff like that.
So I think they need to make it at minimum a hybrid.
Okay, well, it's interesting.
So the idea of hybrid, so Ford has said hybrid is a big part of their future,
and almost everything will have some sort of hybrid or hybrid option at some point.
They're doing pretty well with their Ford F-150 hybrid,
and they're talking about the next generation of even performance vehicles,
like the Raptor and the Bronco Raptor having hybrid, which, cool, makes sense to me.
Those are heavy trucks anyway.
But I agree with you.
I think the issue with an all-electric Mustang sedan is you already have the Mach-E.
It's too close of a move, I think, when you can just make a better Mach-E.
And yes, the recent Dodge Charger EV, such a flop for them.
And then even when they said, hey, we're going to launch as an EV,
but then it's going to have the Hurricane engine, which is a nice high horsepower,
500 horsepower, six-cylinder, still nobody cares.
Yeah.
And only now when they're going, we're going to get you the V8,
we're going to get you the Hellcat engine, we're going to get you supercharged,
we're going to get you, even then, is that going to be enough to move the needle and save that car?
I think this would be a tough move for EV only.
Now, the idea of doing hybrid or gas engine completely changes the budget, changes everything,
because that's not a car that's being developed out of the EV, you know, R&D facility out of Long Beach
that are not really working with engines over there.
They're working on a universal EV platform.
So if the Mustang sedan was going to be built on that platform, it's EV only.
If there was any thought of doing something other than EV, now we're back in Detroit
or we're back to, you know, a different R&D group to do it.
So I don't know, it'd be interesting to see what move they make.
The, yeah, I'm looking, and that Dodge Charger, it just, yeah, Q1 70, or Q1,
looks like if this number's right, you know, I just pulled it up real quick.
7400 units nationwide, that's nothing, that's nothing.
I mean, now, like I said, I just pulled it up real quick.
I didn't do any research or anything, but I know I never see them.
I've seen maybe two Chargers driving around, and I mean, we're in Southern California
where you see everything.
I mean, you know, it's, you know, in a land where Lamborghini Urus or like belly buttons
and, you know, I mean, I've seen GTDs on the street here.
You know, I mean, it's like there's, you know, you would think that car,
if it was getting any traction, it would, you know, you would see them everywhere.
Well, interesting how if you look at Porsche in the U.S. at least,
they sell a few more Panameras than the Taycan, but not that much.
It's like 4,600 units versus 4,100 units.
Yeah.
So I'm surprised.
I guess I'm not surprised by the 4,100 units of the Taycan.
I just thought they sold more Panameras.
Yeah, I did too.
I did too.
You know, they must sold them practically all in Southern California because I see a lot of them.
Yeah, right.
That's probably where they are.
Anyway, all right.
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Matt, we're back.
And I'm mad.
I'm mad.
I got all revved up during that break.
And I got to calm down.
I got to wa su breathe.
Wa su breathe.
So, first state of California took our paint.
Yeah.
I mean, I look at my truck out there and paints the clears all going away.
And I drive around and I see cars, new cars.
I mean, all over the place where their clears going away.
And we have talked about that many times here on the show.
And now, now California wants to take our tires away.
They want to take our tires.
And, you know, as a wheel manufacturer, that's not a good thing because people have to drive just on the wheels.
I know they're going to wear them out quicker.
But it's going to really ding them up.
It's really going to ding them up.
No, the Cal Energy Commission has what they call the replacement tire efficiency program.
Whenever they come up with a big, long title like that, you know we're in trouble.
And we all know cafe standards, you know, that the auto manufacturers have to live by.
They have to hit certain, you know, rules and regulations on mileage and things like that.
They call them cafe standards.
And part of achieving those are the tires they put on cars.
And a lot of people wonder why they buy a brand new car truck and the tires don't last as long as the ones they put on later.
Well, it's because they have to meet a certain standard.
So they, they have less tread.
They're a harder compound.
So they have less rolling resistance.
All of these things contribute.
Well, California started looking at this, some brainiac here in the state and said, well, you know, if everybody had to meet those standards of tires,
they wouldn't be rolling around on these performance tires that wear quicker and put more tire dust in the air.
And, and really they, you know, if you look at an average new car tire, it puts out about 27,000 to 30,000 miles and it's, it's dust.
It's done.
Where an aftermarket tire, you get 60 to 65,000.
And if they push these standards forward, we could literally see that another item could not be sold in California, which are performance soft compound tires.
And that's everything.
I mean, whether you're an off-road guy and trying to do some rock crawling or you're a Porsche or Ferrari or exotic owner or a muscle car owner who wants to,
you know, put some aftermarket tires on, you could be in a real hurt here.
And what's worrying about that is that it could then go, as we've seen with other standards that happen in California, somebody in Washington could go,
what a great idea.
And yeah, they want the car manufacturers to have, you know, 50,000, 60,000 mile tires.
And they don't want the aftermarket to, you know, they don't want you to go out and buy a 25,000 mile, you know, you know, performance compound tire.
Right.
When you, you know, take off your 50,000 mile tire and put on a 25,000 mile tire and have to go through twice as many tires.
That's what California doesn't want you to do.
Right.
Because they think that it's more, well, no, it's the opposite way.
They, I mean, yes, there are performance tires that do that, but they're also looking at aftermarket replacement tires that are longer lasting.
It's crazy because.
That part would be weird.
One of the articles that I read called out, it said, well, what are they achieving here?
They say they're putting less dust in the air by going to harder compound tires.
But if they wear out sooner, there's more tires and landfills and in places like that.
And, you know, they don't, they only look at one side of the coin.
They don't ever look at the whole thing and it can really mess things up.
And we know that SEMA is really good about, you know, advocating for us and doing things.
But sometimes it's just more than they can push through, you know?
Somebody gets a wild tire and, you know, they just want to, to mess it up for all of us.
So if you see something about this, check into it.
It's called the replacement tire efficiency program.
Wanting to get rid of some of the aftermarket tires that are soft compounds and things like that.
So.
Yep.
What else going on?
I don't know if you've seen the concept for the new BMW M3, the new class M3.
It's kind of cool looking.
It's got some sharp edges and stuff to it.
Now I have.
When they announced that they talked about having an EV version, completely electric, but with over a thousand horsepower and crazy numbers.
And they said, we're going to do an EV and possibly a gas engine.
I'm not opposed to the EV version.
If you do get the gas engine version, this is that argument we were just making with the Mustang.
Kind of by a five liter V8 four door Mustang or just an EV version.
This didn't work for Dodge, obviously.
Would it work for BMW?
BMW is saying they've already got massive interest in the EV version of it.
People want a thousand horsepower M3.
That being said, BMW is now saying, yes, we will have a gas engine version.
It will not be a hybrid.
We're going to go pure gas engine.
It will be the lighter variant, possibly even manual transmission.
So that's kind of interesting.
I don't think the current BMW M5 is doing all that well.
It's hybrid technology and I think it's plug in hybrid.
It's massively heavy and it really feels the weight and just didn't quite resonate with the DNA that BMW has been putting through for so many years with their M brand.
I don't know, kind of interesting on.
Wow, this new, I'm looking at it as we're talking here.
First of all, 1300 horsepower sounds good, but I got to say that looks from the front.
It looks like a Pontiac, like an old Pontiac.
It's got that point.
You're saying on that, yeah.
I was trying to equate it to like BMW M1, maybe eight series.
Yeah, not a Pontiac GTO from the 2000s.
Yeah, could be that too.
Even the even the cab silhouette has kind of a late model, you know, right before Pontiac left us kind of a look and what a departure from the normal, you know, BMW grille.
Yes, although many of the BMWs are super ugly right now.
So this is a welcome addition and I'm not saying it's ugly.
Yeah, if the three series and the four series is going to follow this design motif, I would gladly welcome this.
Yeah, other than the kind of the big grill thing that's going on right now.
I think this is a really cool looking car.
I would say this is if the Pontiac GTO of the 2000s had had a handsome big brother who was a movie star, you know, that that's what that's what it looks like.
It's a good looking car and the wide body on it and everything.
I hope they retain some of that, which the M series usually does.
It's good, good looking car.
It's very, very interactive.
The Pontiac GTO is like 2006.
Something like that. Yeah.
Yeah, I remember them being like kind of heavy on the plastic and stuff on the inside.
Oh, yeah, that was the problem.
But some cool like engine options and manual transmission.
Yeah, you could get a manual.
They did some there was some originated in on a European platform, I believe.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe it's around a little before that was 2004.
I don't know something to work look into.
Yeah, they made some cool variants of that.
I thought that was kind of cool.
Yeah, no, it's that BMW will have to see what happens there.
And have you watched any of the you've been watching any F1 or anything like that?
No, haven't been watching any.
Did you watch the Millie Mile?
Did you watch any of the coverage of the Millie Mile?
Millie McGillie as they call it.
Well, that's because there's no coverage of that on TV anywhere.
I didn't watch it.
No, I did watch some of the 24 hours of Le Mans.
You did?
Yeah, yeah, I kind of watched it in the middle.
So it was good.
It was interesting.
I watched kind of during the downtime of it.
I didn't get to see the end of it, but you know, good race.
I'd love to go to one of those.
I hear it's fantastic to go do, especially if you have, you know, access, the right access.
Any motorsport event is also always better if you have access.
Yeah, I got spoiled and I ran across an article online and it's not like an article we're talking
about, but just one statement about it was, you know, David Lee, the Ferrari collector.
Yeah.
It was David's tips on collecting cars.
And you know what I summed up from it was, yeah, if you have money, you can collect those cars.
If you don't, you can't.
So it's it's it's pretty easy.
Do you remember his like, like modified Ferrari Dino and he called it this GTS Evo 3.6.
It's black with red and black interior, really, really cool.
I vaguely remember.
Engine swap and, you know, Motec fuel or Motec engine management.
It's got individual throttle bodies.
Really, really cool piece.
Like, I don't know.
I guess he's had it for for a while.
I've seen it at Papel Beach and just a really cool mod, right?
Like, yeah, you just just fixed everything on it.
Just like, you know, everything's just kind of done well, looks great.
Well, I didn't even really notice that the other day he's selling it.
It's on bring a trailer and it's I got eight days left and it's at $810,000.
And I tell you, this kind of brought up a conversation that I had with Adam Kroll the other day going, we're there.
We're at the time where a really well done modified vehicle is pulling money.
Certainly all of the kind of turnkey operations, the Singer, Avaludo, you know, Superleggera, you know, you know, Icon Bronco, even in the Mustang world, you know, Velocity, like all these turnkey companies are churning out very cool cars.
But now to take this is a one off vehicle.
So but it kind of speaks to what I'm saying is taking something that's a good jumping off point, taking an already expensive car and making it better.
Do you ruin the value of that car or does it actually turn into something cool and valuable?
You know, back in the day, you know, you'd go to a Barry Jackson auction.
There's $500,000 hot rods all day long selling for 110.
You know, they just weren't getting the money.
And now they're starting to catch up.
You know, when we go to moderate car week, there's more and more of these companies turning out like we're going to do a limited production of 50 or 80 or 13 or whatever.
And they're all $900,000.
Even Bruce Kenapa does his 959 right?
Right.
His version of it.
But I think the difference, Matt, is there's some key factors here.
One of them is it's the car that you start with.
It's the quality of the build and it is how tasteful you do the build.
And I don't mean this in a bad way.
How middle of the road.
If you personalize it too much, you lose a large group of your potential buyers.
You know, because some of these, like we talk about these pro touring cars and stuff and a guy, you know, builds a beautiful car.
Everything can be done right.
But he paints it purple with lime green stripes and everybody goes, man, I love that carpet.
I don't like the paint or I don't like the interior or does something strange that just throws it up.
And this Dino is a really good example of that because it's black.
It's got the, it's got, you know, a plus size wheel, but they look like factory wheels.
It's got the way he did the motor in the back and you see through it, which a Dino never had.
But now it has and it looks like it could have been done that way.
Everything about that car is tasteful, done right.
And a Ferrari guy can look at it and go, yeah, I dig that.
That's maybe like a Dino concept car would have been or something.
Yeah.
And you also do think about like who it came from and, you know, like it's David Lee, right?
He's like Ferrari collector.
If you guys don't know him and everything he has is done top notch.
I mean, certainly in our world we'll go and see a bunch of really, really nice cars done at SEMA.
But the ones that get the attention are the ones that you know are from, you know,
they get a little more attention from notable builders that have been in the game for a long time
and they're always trying to one up themselves.
Not that they're on a great builders, but, you know, with experience comes attention, right?
Like, you know, you think you cut up a Porsche 959, it's worth less,
but a 959 is worth a million and a half to 2000000 and change.
And the Kenapa one that was up on Bring a Trailer, the green one, I think that was a no sale at almost $3.1 million.
Yeah.
You know, anywhere from a million to, you know, maybe from $500,000 to $1 million over the value of a 959.
I have a good 959, you know, and somebody didn't even take that money.
I don't know if they were just, you know, tire kicking and seeing what they can get for the car with no intention of selling it.
That happens, but, you know, it's interesting.
Or setting a perspective for the market, you know, oh, those are $3 million cars, you know.
And look, maybe that car, he spent a little more on that from Kenapa or something or bought it from Kenapa and paid that much or more than that.
They wanted to make more money on it.
Maybe it's not quite there yet, but what I'm saying is these aren't losing 50% of their value like cars 15, 20 years ago.
Right.
Well, and there was a time when not that long ago that if you said you were going to hot rod or modify your Ferrari or Lamborghini, people went,
oh, what are you talking about?
No, you just leave it alone and keep it tuned up.
And now we've seen, you know, as you pointed out, it's changed.
We have that now.
And those cars are starting to, if they're done correctly, they're getting the money for it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, this is an example.
And by the way, it's nine days left or however many days when you listen to this.
Well, in 2018, Motortrend called it a million dollar Dino.
So let's just see.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So it's been around for a while.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a good looking car.
But that many days left, it's going to do well.
And, you know, what's really distressing to me is when I think about how there was a
time when in my lifetime that Dinos were for sale every day of the week for 35,000 bucks.
Yeah.
And nice ones.
Nice ones.
Because they were kind of the ugly duckling the bottom of the line, nobody.
Entry level Ferrari, you know.
So.
Yeah.
Look, there was a time not that long ago.
We're talking 15 years ago where I, you know, mirrors were a couple hundred grand.
Yeah.
I know.
Well, you know what blows me away are 930 turbos like the 84, 85.
Holy Moses.
Those are bringing such big money in.
And it's like they were just drivers, you know.
Yeah.
Not.
Yeah.
A buddy of mine just bought one like a year ago.
It's got a couple hundred grand to spend two, 300 bucks.
Yes, he does.
Yes, he does.
All right.
All right.
Let's call it a day.
We'll check this one off.
Put it in the books.
And hey, I just want to let everyone know that.
Bond speed streetwear has opened a second location.
You're familiar with our original location at bond speed streetwear.com.
Well, we have a second location now.
And it is on eBay at called speed buys.
Just find us at speed buys.
We've got a new story opened up 250 styles, nothing on there, but T-shirts.
And so it's easy to manage through.
There's not other stuff you got to look through like Brad's old Fender off his
Chevelle and, you know, some of the stuff from his mom's house, like my other old
eBay site, but there's definitely it's easy to manage, easy to go.
So check out speed buys.
If you can't find it, I've been putting links on my on my Instagram page.
So you can check that out.
And there was something else I was going to tell you about.
Oh, I know what it was.
Mikey and Sam are out on tour right now and look for Mikey to be wearing bond speed
streetwear on stage.
We set him up with a whole wardrobe and he's got a bunch of our new styles and he's
wearing them and took some of our stickers to put on his guitars and all kinds of cool stuff.
So anyways, that's it for this week.
Matt, you got anything to push?
No, you don't want to talk about your new.
Your new Mustang car line that you're starting your.
No, I don't have that.
Start taking Fox bodies and putting a late model drivetrains in them and doing everything
like a stinger.
So, but no.
Yeah, nothing yet.
All right.
Hey, everybody, thanks for listening.
We'll be back next week and that's a promise and not a threat.
Yeah.
About this episode
Rumor and reality collide as the hosts debate whether a “four door sedan Mustang” could work—stretching the platform, choosing powertrains, and proving it has real “Mustang DNA.” They also dig into California’s replacement tire efficiency program, arguing it could sideline shorter-wearing performance tires. Between car talk, they trade SEMA logistics stories about tracking down a lost phone and even weigh in on event venues and speed-sign enforcement. The episode ends with collector-car valuation talk and a few Mustang project ideas.
