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A 4-Door Mustang?, California Wants to Take Your Performance Tires! Shift & Steer EP 573

A 4-Door Mustang?, California Wants to Take Your Performance Tires! Shift & Steer EP 573

Shift and Steer Jun 18, 2026 59 min
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About this episode

Rumor and reality collide as the hosts debate whether a “four door sedan Mustang” could work—stretching the platform, choosing powertrains, and proving it has real “Mustang DNA.” They also dig into California’s replacement tire efficiency program, arguing it could sideline shorter-wearing performance tires. Between car talk, they trade SEMA logistics stories about tracking down a lost phone and even weigh in on event venues and speed-sign enforcement. The episode ends with collector-car valuation talk and a few Mustang project ideas.

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Car

Toyota Prius

"...back of this guy's Uber which is, I don't know, a Prius or something. Right."

A Prius is a small Toyota that uses a gas engine plus an electric motor. It’s designed to use less fuel than many regular cars. The podcast brings it up because it’s a common ride-share car.

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Hyundai Kona

"I mean, they had some great cars. I saw, I think there was a Kona's egg there. There was a Senna there, a good, good collection of muscle cars, a bunch of tuner cars,"

The Hyundai Kona is a small SUV from Hyundai. It’s designed for everyday driving with a higher seating position than a typical sedan. The podcast mentions it because it was included in a collection of different cars.

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Company

Ford

"Now, Ford was like, we're not doing sedans anymore."

Ford is the car company making the Mustang. They’re talking about what types of cars they want to build more of, like trucks and SUVs, and whether they’d ever do a sedan Mustang.

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Jim Farley

"But then several people at Ford and, you know, Jim Farley, their CEO saying, you know, so we're not opposed to sedan, but what does that mean?"

Jim Farley is the top executive at Ford. The point here is that his comments about what Ford wants to build can influence whether ideas like a sedan Mustang ever happen.

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Challenger

"Oh yeah. Way, way old. Challenger is cool, but everybody wanted the big Mustang."

The Dodge Challenger is a muscle car from the U.S. It’s being brought up as another popular option people compare against the Mustang.

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Porsche Panamera

"And then you look at like Porsche when they came out with the Panamera, you know? Yeah. It's like, wow, I wasn't too sure about that when they did, but proved me wrong."

The Porsche Panamera is a four-door Porsche that’s meant to drive like a sports car. It’s an example of a performance brand making a sedan instead of only coupes.

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BMW E63

"...f the coolest cars we've seen, M5s and, you know, E63, Mercedes, things like that, you know, Audi's, yo..."

The BMW 6 Series is a luxury car line from BMW. It’s usually aimed at comfortable long-distance driving while still offering performance. The podcast mentions it as one of the interesting BMW models people talk about.

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EcoBoost engine

"Because now you're talking about taking that Mustang platform and somehow stretching it and shoving a V8 into it or the EcoBoost engine into it, crash testing, doing all that stuff"

EcoBoost is Ford’s way of making a gas engine that uses a turbo to feel powerful without being as big as a V8. The host is saying a Mustang sedan might use that kind of engine.

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crash testing

"and somehow stretching it and shoving a V8 into it or the EcoBoost engine into it, crash testing, doing all that stuff"

Crash testing is how automakers check how safe a car is in accidents. They do controlled tests to see how well the structure protects people, and it’s a big part of designing a new vehicle.

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universal EV platform

"They spent a lot on trucks, F-150, and they've been talking so much about this universal EV platform that's being developed out of Long Beach for its new EV facility out of Long Beach."

An EV platform is the basic “underlying design” for electric cars. A universal one means the company can use the same core design for many different EV models.

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Long Beach

"they've been talking so much about this universal EV platform that's being developed out of Long Beach for its new EV facility out of Long Beach. Which I actually went down and peaked at."

Long Beach is a place in California. The host is saying that’s where the EV project and new facility are being developed.

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EV roller skate

"So this is interesting. They want to make this sort of this EV roller skate, if you will. And on top of that, they're going to do their small truck."

“EV roller skate” is a nickname for an electric-car design where the battery is placed low like the base of a skateboard. That helps the car feel stable and easy to handle.

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Car

Mustang Mach-E

"Now, the Mustang Mach-E, when they announced that Mach-E, people were like, [1758.1s] oh, Mustang is not an SUV. [1760.0s] Mustang's not an EV."

The Mustang Mach-E is a Ford electric vehicle that uses the Mustang name. It’s not a classic Mustang sports car—it’s more like a crossover—so some people were surprised by the naming.

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Mustang DNA

"And it said it had to have some Mustang DNA, of course, so it needs to be able to be quick [1782.0s] and have performance variants."

“Mustang DNA” is basically a way of saying the car should still feel like a Mustang. Even if it’s a different body style or powertrain, Ford wants it to be sporty and fast in the way people expect.

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GT

"If they keep the sports car as an EcoBoost and all the V8 variants, right, [1817.2s] they've got the Dark Horse, the GT, Dark Horse SC, that's all the performance."

“GT” is Ford’s label for a more performance-oriented Mustang. In this conversation, it’s mentioned as part of the lineup of faster, enthusiast-focused versions.

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Dark Horse SC

"If they keep the sports car as an EcoBoost and all the V8 variants, right, [1817.2s] they've got the Dark Horse, the GT, Dark Horse SC, that's all the performance."

“Dark Horse SC” is a more powerful Dark Horse Mustang. The “SC” means it’s supercharged, which helps it make more power than the standard version.

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Dodge Charger

"I mean, if you look at the new Dodge Charger, it's just not selling like the old one did. [1935.1s] Yeah. [1935.6s] And now they're, oh, we're going to retool and we're going to put a gas motor in it"

The Dodge Charger is a performance-oriented American sedan/coupe lineage that has historically appealed to buyers wanting a sporty feel with more practicality than a two-door. The host contrasts the “new Dodge Charger” not selling like the older one, then mentions plans to retool and add a gas engine—implying that powertrain choices affect demand.

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hybrid

"So I think they need to make it at minimum a hybrid. [1946.9s] Okay, well, it's interesting. [1949.0s] So the idea of hybrid, so Ford has said hybrid is a big part of their future,"

A hybrid car uses two energy sources, usually a gas engine and an electric motor. The idea here is that hybrids can keep some of the familiar driving feel while still adding the benefits of electrification.

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Ford F-150 hybrid

"So the idea of hybrid, so Ford has said hybrid is a big part of their future, [1958.9s] and almost everything will have some sort of hybrid or hybrid option at some point. [1965.3s] They're doing pretty well with their Ford F-150 hybrid,"

The Ford F-150 is a popular pickup truck. This part is about Ford’s hybrid version—using both gas and electric power—and the host says it’s doing well with customers.

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Ford Bronco

"...ven performance vehicles, like the Raptor and the Bronco Raptor having hybrid, which, cool, makes sense to..."

The Bronco is an SUV designed to handle rough roads and off-road trails. The podcast talks about a high-performance Bronco variant that could use hybrid technology. That would mean combining an electric system with a gas engine for power and efficiency.

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Hurricane engine

"but then it's going to have the Hurricane engine, which is a nice high horsepower, 500 horsepower, six-cylinder, still nobody cares."

The “Hurricane engine” is a named engine that Dodge has talked about for performance. The host’s point is that even a strong-sounding engine number doesn’t guarantee people will care about the car.

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Hellcat engine

"And only now when they're going, we're going to get you the V8, we're going to get you the Hellcat engine, we're going to get you supercharged..."

“Hellcat” is Dodge’s name for a very high-performance engine. The host is saying that even if Dodge adds a V8 and supercharging later, it might still not be enough to fix the car’s problem.

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supercharged

"we're going to get you the Hellcat engine, we're going to get you supercharged, we're going to get you, even then, is that going to be enough..."

Supercharged means the engine has a device that pushes extra air into it. More air usually helps the engine make more power.

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Challenger Hellcat

"...ing to get you the V8, we're going to get you the Hellcat engine, we're going to get you supercharged, we'r..."

The Challenger is a muscle car that’s built for strong performance. The podcast talks about versions with a V8 engine and a supercharger, which help it make a lot of power. It’s mentioned because those engine options are a big part of what people want from the car.

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R&D facility

"because that's not a car that's being developed out of the EV, you know, R&D facility out of Long Beach..."

R&D is where companies do engineering work to develop new technology. The host is saying that making an EV-only car is simpler if the team is already set up for electric powertrains.

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7400 units nationwide

"7400 units nationwide, that's nothing, that's nothing."

This is a sales number: how many cars were sold across the country. The host is saying the total is low.

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Lamborghini Urus

"it's, you know, in a land where Lamborghini Urus or like belly buttons and, you know, I mean, I've seen GTDs on the street here."

The Lamborghini Urus is Lamborghini’s SUV. It’s a supercar brand’s take on a practical, everyday-ish SUV, and the host mentions it to show how exotic cars are common in their area.

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Porsche Taycan

"Well, interesting how if you look at Porsche in the U.S. at least, they sell a few more Panameras than the Taycan, but not that much."

The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. In this part of the show, they’re comparing how many Taycans Porsche sells versus the Panamera.

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performance tires

"Well, California started looking at this, some brainiac here in the state and said, well, you know, if everybody had to meet those standards of tires, they wouldn't be rolling around on these performance tires that wear quicker and put more tire dust in the air."

Performance tires are built for better grip and handling. They can wear out faster than regular tires, which is part of why this regulation debate is happening.

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tire dust

"Well, California started looking at this... they wouldn't be rolling around on these performance tires that wear quicker and put more tire dust in the air... But if they wear out sooner, there's more tires and landfills and in places like that."

Tire dust is tiny bits of rubber and material that come off tires as they wear. If tires wear out faster, they can make more of this dust.

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performance soft compound tires

"And if they push these standards forward, we could literally see that another item could not be sold in California, which are performance soft compound tires."

These are tires made with a softer rubber. Softer rubber usually gives better grip, but it tends to wear out sooner than harder rubber.

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standards forward

"And, and really they... if they push these standards forward, we could literally see that another item could not be sold in California, which are performance soft compound tires... And they don't want the aftermarket to, you know, they don't want you to go out and buy a 25,000 mile, you know, performance compound tire."

This is about making rules stricter over time. In this case, it could limit which tires can be sold in California, especially some high-grip aftermarket options.

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replacement tire efficiency program

"[2607.2s] So if you see something about this, check into it. [2610.7s] It's called the replacement tire efficiency program. [2614.3s] Wanting to get rid of some of the aftermarket tires that are soft compounds and things like that."

This sounds like a government or regulatory program that tries to influence what replacement tires you’re allowed or encouraged to buy. The goal here is to discourage certain super-grippy “soft” tires and push more efficient options.

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soft compounds

"[2610.7s] It's called the replacement tire efficiency program. [2614.3s] Wanting to get rid of some of the aftermarket tires that are soft compounds and things like that. [2620.0s] So."

A “soft compound” tire uses softer rubber. It usually grips the road better, but it tends to wear out faster than harder rubber.

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over a thousand horsepower

"[2642.2s] When they announced that they talked about having an EV version, completely electric, but with over a thousand horsepower and crazy numbers. [2653.4s] And they said, we're going to do an EV and possibly a gas engine."

That phrase means the car would make more than 1,000 horsepower, which is an enormous amount of power. The host is using it to emphasize how wild the rumored electric M3 concept would be.

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EV version

"[2642.2s] When they announced that they talked about having an EV version, completely electric, but with over a thousand horsepower and crazy numbers. [2653.4s] And they said, we're going to do an EV and possibly a gas engine."

An “EV version” is the all-electric version of the car. Instead of burning gas, it uses electricity stored in a battery.

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Car

BMW M3

"... version of it. People want a thousand horsepower M3. That being said, BMW is now saying, yes, we will..."

The BMW M3 is a performance-focused BMW, made to be faster and more exciting than a regular 3 Series. The podcast mentions that people want it to make extremely high horsepower. It also says BMW is open to that kind of performance target.

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BMW M5

"I don't think the current BMW M5 is doing all that well. It's hybrid technology and I think it's plug in hybrid. It's massively heavy..."

The BMW M5 is a super-fast BMW sedan made by BMW’s performance division. Here, the hosts are saying the newer M5 feels too heavy and not as “true” to the M-brand as older versions.

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Bmw M1

"I was trying to equate it to like BMW M1, maybe eight series."

The BMW M1 is a famous older BMW supercar. In this clip it’s just being used as a reference for how the new car’s styling feels—more dramatic and special than a normal BMW.

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Pontiac GTO

"The Pontiac GTO is like 2006. Something like that. Yeah. Yeah, I remember them being like kind of heavy on the plastic and stuff on the inside."

The Pontiac GTO is a famous muscle-car model from Pontiac. The key point here is that, in the era they’re talking about, you could get it with different engines and even a manual transmission.

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manual transmission

"But some cool like engine options and manual transmission. Yeah, you could get a manual. They did some there was some originated in on a European platform, I believe."

A manual transmission is when you choose the gears yourself with a clutch and a gear stick. It can feel more engaging because you’re controlling the shifting.

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engine options

"But some cool like engine options and manual transmission. Yeah, you could get a manual. They did some there was some originated in on a European platform, I believe."

“Engine options” means the same car model can be bought with different engines. Different engines can change how fast it feels and how it drives.

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Le Mans

"No, I did watch some of the 24 hours of Le Mans. You did? Yeah, yeah, I kind of watched it in the middle. So it was good."

Le Mans is a world-famous long-distance race in France. Cars race for a long time, so it’s not just about speed—it’s also about lasting the whole event.

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Ferrari Dino

"...tty easy. Do you remember his like, like modified Ferrari Dino and he called it this GTS Evo 3.6. It's black wit..."

The Ferrari Dino 208 GT4 is a classic Ferrari sports car. It’s known for being a mid-engine car, meaning the engine sits closer to the center of the vehicle. The podcast mentions it because someone had a modified Dino and talked about it in detail.

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Engine swap

"Engine swap and, you know, Motec fuel or Motec engine management."

An engine swap means putting a different engine into a car than what it originally came with. It’s a big job because the engine has to be physically fitted and the car’s electronics and fuel system usually need changes too.

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Motec engine management

"Engine swap and, you know, Motec fuel or Motec engine management."

Motec engine management is an aftermarket engine computer. It helps control how the engine runs—like fuel and timing—so a modified engine can be tuned to work correctly and make power.

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Motec fuel

"Engine swap and, you know, Motec fuel or Motec engine management."

Motec is a company that makes high-end aftermarket engine computers and control systems. “Motec fuel” usually means the fuel is being managed by that aftermarket system for better tuning.

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individual throttle bodies

"It's got individual throttle bodies. Really, really cool piece."

Individual throttle bodies mean each cylinder gets its own throttle valve. That can make the engine respond more sharply to your foot and helps the engine breathe more precisely.

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turnkey operations

"Certainly all of the kind of turnkey operations, the Singer, Avaludo, you know, Superleggera, you know, you know, Icon Bronco, even in the Mustang world, you know, Velocity, like all these turnkey companies are churning out very cool cars."

A “turnkey” build means you can buy a car that’s already been fully worked on and is ready to drive. The host is saying these companies are making modified cars that people trust enough to pay top dollar for.

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hot rods

"You know, back in the day, you know, you'd go to a Barry Jackson auction. There's $500,000 hot rods all day long selling for 110. You know, they just weren't getting the money."

Hot rods are older cars that have been modified to look cooler and drive better. The host is saying that hot rods used to sell for less, but now buyers are paying more for the good ones.

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pro touring cars

"You know, because some of these, like we talk about these pro touring cars and stuff and a guy, you know, builds a beautiful car. Everything can be done right."

Pro touring cars are classic cars that get upgraded so they handle and drive more like modern sports cars. The host’s point is that if you personalize it too wildly, fewer people will want it, which can hurt resale value.

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plus size wheel

"It's got the, it's got, you know, a plus size wheel, but they look like factory wheels. It's got the way he did the motor in the back and you see through it, which a Dino never had."

A “plus size wheel” means the car has bigger wheels than it came with from the factory. People do this for looks, and sometimes to make the car feel more responsive, but it can change ride comfort and how tires wear.

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Porsche 959

"Like, you know, you think you cut up a Porsche 959, it's worth less, but a 959 is worth a million and a half to 2000000 and change."

The Porsche 959 is a famous, very rare Porsche supercar from the 1980s. The host is saying that if you modify or destroy one, it’s a big deal because the 959 is so valuable.

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entry level

"Because they were kind of the ugly duckling the bottom of the line, nobody. [3404.3s] Entry level Ferrari, you know."

They mean the “cheapest” Ferrari option in that era. It’s not saying the car is simple—just that it was the lowest-priced one compared to the rest of the brand’s lineup.

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911 930 Turbos

"Well, you know what blows me away are 930 turbos like the 84, 85. [3424.1s] Holy Moses. [3425.2s] Those are bringing such big money in. [3427.6s] And it's like they were just drivers, you know."

This is talking about a Porsche 911 Turbo from the 930 generation. The point is that older 1980s turbo models can now sell for huge money, and people buy them as real drivers—not just garage trophies.

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Chevrolet Chevelle

"...ot to look through like Brad's old Fender off his Chevelle and, you know, some of the stuff from his mom's h..."

The Chevelle is a classic Chevrolet muscle car. It’s known for being a performance car from earlier decades. The podcast mentions it because it’s part of someone’s personal history and car collection.

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Fox bodies

"Start taking Fox bodies and putting a late model drivetrains in them and doing everything [3553.2s] like a stinger."

“Fox bodies” is Mustang-speak for an older Mustang generation. People like them because it’s relatively straightforward to upgrade them with newer engines and transmissions.

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putting a late model drivetrains in them

"Start taking Fox bodies and putting a late model drivetrains in them and doing everything [3553.2s] like a stinger."

That phrase means taking an older car and installing newer powertrain parts. It’s often done to make the car faster and easier to drive than the original setup.

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