A Brazilian battle for the title | Sao Paulo GP 2025 Preview | Ft Jennie Gow & Chris McCarthy

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Hello, and welcome back to the Fast and the Curious, the podcast that previews and

reviews the Grand Prix and speaks to some pretty cool people in and around the sport.

I'm Vettie Glover, and this is Christian Hugo.

We're not the cool people, are we Christian?

Oh, God, no.

I've never been described as cool by anyone ever in my life.

I'm the least cool person in the world.

But it's nice to be here.

How are you?

I'm good.

Thank you.

How are you?

I'm all right.

I've had a morning of it, so we're recording this in the morning, and we never record

these in the morning.

We always record these in the afternoon, and that's thrown me.

So I dreamed about the podcast last night.

I dreamed we were recording it in my old student radio studio from, like, years

ago.

That's just me out, because I couldn't get any of the recordings to work.

So I had one of those, like, not an anxiety dream, but, like, mmm, dream.

Then I missed a call this morning, because I forgot, because we were doing the podcast,

so I had to rush that.

And then I was rushing to get ready, and I'd got a tray of yogurts on the fridge,

and I pulled one out and basically took the shelf with me.

The fridge shelf comes out of my hands.

The yogurts go everywhere.

My leg is covered in salted caramel-flavoured protein yoghurt, which is

gutting, because it's my favourite yoghurt.

So then I've had to sort of rush to clean yoghurt off me, clean yoghurt off the

floor, consume some yoghurt, as was the original plan, rush to get a shower and

do the podcast.

I've had a morning.

To be fair, it is a rush when we do this in the morning.

I've been, like, trying to eat my breakfast really quickly, like, down to

coffee.

It's just...

Oh, and don't get me started on coffee.

Thanks to...

And by the way, there has been literally hundreds.

Thanks to the literally hundreds of people...

Oh, for God's sake.

...who have sent me Love and Best Wishes for the fact my coffee machine has broken.

Sat here drinking instant coffee like it's the war.

Oh, it's just...

Oh, that's disgusting.

It's just such a shame.

So...

No, I do feel sorry for you.

Oh, honestly, it's been really hard.

It's been really hard.

I'm okay.

I'm doing well.

It's a difficult life.

Yeah.

Thank you for the love and support.

It wouldn't be so bad if I was away this weekend, but I'm not at this

grand prix.

Yeah, anyway, someone's coming to fix it tomorrow, so hopefully by the

debrief it'll be done, but I'll keep you all updated.

Well, I really do feel for you, Christian.

I really do feel for you.

Sending you lots and lots of love.

I nearly didn't do this podcast.

I really didn't, but yeah.

Anyway, shall we crack on?

Coming up today in this episode, it is getting to crunch time, isn't it?

Four races, two sprints to go.

We're going to preview the Brazilian Grand Prix.

Obviously.

We're going to talk about McLaren as it could not be any closer between

the two of them.

And we're also going to chat the future of Ferrari.

We're also going to speak to Formula 3 and Formula 2 commentator Chris

McCarthy, who's teaming up with BBC F1's Jenny Gal for a fun new thing,

which we're going to talk about later.

But Jenny is here now to talk about everything.

Formula 1.

Jenny, how are you?

I'm good.

I have a cup of green tea winning at life.

I don't drink coffee, so I personally don't mind that Christian

isn't on the good stuff because it's okay.

And I had a slight fail this morning as well in that my stroke

brain took over from my actual brain this morning.

And I shampooed my hair twice.

Oh, that's good for your hair, though.

That's good for your scalp.

Yeah, but I was really in a rush.

I really thought it was like, I thought I picked conditioner on.

And I was like, this is really roughing up a lot.

And I realized, oh no, I've just, I've just sampled it again.

Doesn't it take women a lot longer to do that?

Because that would take me an extra like 60 seconds of my day.

Is that a longer thing for Anne Woman?

Yes.

I think it's just the length of hair.

The length of hair.

And you've got quite short, trimmed, nice hair.

Thank you very much.

Whereas for Betty and I, with slightly longer hair,

with a curling it, nightmare.

Yeah, and I should say, in the interest of inclusivity,

yeah, I suppose a gentleman with longer hair

could also take longer to shampoo.

That is very true.

Jenny, we should also just mention, before we carry on,

this is something that me and Betty picked up on.

If you're watching on the YouTube, you'll be able to see us,

which is amazing.

And Jenny's got a brilliant, like top them hotspire background.

And Betty asked, and we should ask the question,

are you a Spurs fan, Jenny?

So I have to note that my husband is the mad Spurs fan,

as is his family.

And I've kind of just got taken along for the ride.

My team is actually behind the camera

with a Portsmouth shirt on this side.

Oh!

Up the Pompey.

Exactly.

So I covered Pompey when they got promoted.

And ever since that point,

I have been a marginal Pompey fan,

but I didn't have any particular allegiance

to a football club growing up.

I just loved it, but didn't have a particular team.

So I've been very easily, I suppose, swayed,

that's the word, into supporting teams along the way.

Good win over Copenhagen in the Champions League

last night for Spurs.

Stonking.

Mickey van der Ven with an absolute worldie.

Have you guys watched that go?

Oh my.

I've not seen that.

I was watching Liverpool on the other side.

Insane.

Very insane goal.

I love him.

I love Mickey van der Ven.

And I don't particularly love Spurs that much.

Anyway.

Shall we stick to Formula One and stop talking about the police?

Just Formula One if you like.

I've had a nice time.

I don't know about people listening,

but I've had lovely times with just Formula One.

Yeah, fine.

Let's talk about this race.

Let's talk about the fact that there is literally

one point between Lando and Oscar.

One point.

This is going to be absolutely fascinating, Jenny, isn't it?

To see how this is going to play out,

because we've got a proper McLaren battle on our hands

for the last part of this season.

And it is actually mad when you think about it,

because Lando was training Oscar by 34 points

not that long ago.

And now he's in the lead.

And he was coasting.

He said, didn't he, at the Dutch Grand Prix,

well, you know, I can just relax.

I don't have any pressure on me now.

I can just go out, have a bit of fun.

The pressure is really on him leading the championship,

the first time since round four.

And I just wonder how that dynamic is going to shift

and tilt within the team,

because Piastri has been leading this championship

for such a long time.

Had the advantage, had the momentum,

thought it was going to be a walk in the park.

I actually predicted that he'd win this round.

And now Lando Norris has taken a lead

and it looks like it's going to go right down to the wire.

It's amazing.

It's so good, isn't it?

I cannot wait.

We needed a season like this.

We've needed it.

And we always say we started this podcast

from the worst possible season.

When was it?

Three seasons ago.

To the 2023 when Max won,

I believe Max wrapped up the title around two in China.

It's true though.

And now we've got a proper battle.

Christian, it's going to be really interesting, isn't it?

To see how Lando deals with the pressure

of being hunted.

Yeah, he is the hunted.

In other words, he was the hunter.

Now he is the hunting.

Oh, he's the hunting.

Is that easy?

Is it?

I don't know.

It's not easy, is it?

I think that there's so much pressure on Lando Norris

because for the first time in a long time in Formula One,

I mean, we're talking getting on for a decade

until the 2010 sort of season

when we had a great battle between Alonso

and Vettel and Weber.

There's so much on Norris

because he's not just got to think about Oscar,

who is his teammate,

which brings all the complications of that.

But Max is on 3-2-1.

Lando on 3-5-7.

Plus a sprint weekend this weekend,

let's not forget.

So that's another potential 10 points on the table here.

We saw what happened last time there was a sprint weekend.

We shouldn't discount the fact that these sprints

of which there are two more, including this weekend,

could have a significant impact on this title.

So there is loads of pressure

because he needs to maximise everything

from not just his teammate, but from Max as well.

I think, again, I refer back to

any time you speak to a racing driver,

they say the same thing.

You've just got to go out and do you.

And I think all he needs to do

is isolate it as a weekend.

I think he needs to forget all of that,

forget the title table, forget any of that,

go out, get to grips with it in free practice.

And also, you've got to have the flexibility,

I think, in a weekend like this,

to roll with the punches,

because I think they're going to be going out.

I've just checked the weather.

The weather is basically...

It's a stinker!

Christ knows.

It's sunny spells, showers.

We're recording this on Wednesday morning.

I bet you, by the time that some people

will be listening to this on Friday afternoon,

it will have changed again.

When I looked yesterday, thunderstorms.

Yeah.

As well.

There is spells of dry weather as well.

So it's not like they can just go,

it's going to be a solely wet weekend.

You're just going to have to roll with the punches,

stay cool, go out.

If you do Friday practice one,

we're focusing on practice one.

What can we do then?

All right, sprint qualifying.

Let's take it one step at a time.

Just focus on being the best you can be

in that particular session.

The building blocks will fall around you.

That's all Lando can do.

It's also all Oscar can do

in terms of getting himself back into form as well.

But it's not gone so well for Oscar.

That's all he had to do.

Concentrate on each race weekend.

And every race weekend,

it seems like something has got in his way.

And I don't know whether he needs a shatty change,

whether there's something going on within the team,

psychologically within him.

What's happened from Baku

when he had a bad weekend

crashed a car several times to now,

it's like he's a different driver

and he's really struggling with that car.

This is what his third season in Formula One's

really in the grand scheme.

He's still a little bit inexperienced, I guess.

And this is the first season

where he's had a lead like this.

And do you think that's part of it, Jenny?

Is that he's just...

Before you ask Jenny that question,

Jenny raised the word chassis change,

which is something a lot of people are theorizing.

Oh, very understandably so.

It's a perfectly reasonable theory,

given the struggles it had so far.

We've seen that a lot in the past

where drivers have said,

I'm struggling, change my chassis.

I think I seem to remember it happening with Schumacher.

I think it happened with Perez.

Rarely does it actually make a difference.

Rarely do you see,

yes, it was the chassis and that's fixed everything.

I also directly asked McLaren about this as well

and was told there's nothing

that shows on any of the data,

any of the telemetry that there's a chassis issue.

It's also not like Oscars feeding back,

I need a chassis change, guys.

I think there's a lot of people sort of oversimplifying

that the people are thinking that

Oscars going back and knocking on the door and going,

I want a new chassis.

My understanding is that's not the case.

And also McLaren sort of emphasized to me that

well, if they did think

there was the need to change the chassis,

they changed the chassis.

They're not just going to not do it.

They want both drivers to be

with a chance of winning this championship

because Max is knocking at the door

so there's no reason not to give Oscar a change of chassis.

This might be a stupid question,

but how easy is it to change the chassis?

Like that.

Really, really easy.

You can just do it.

They have a spare one carried with them

across the race weekend in case of a big crash

that happens.

And sometimes if there's

the thought that there might be a hairline crack

or a fracture to that chassis,

they'll just change it anyway.

And I was surprised that they didn't rebuild

that in a different chassis in Baku.

But they didn't have to.

They didn't need to.

And I get what Christine is saying.

I think it's more a psychological thing

than an actual fix for a direct problem

and listening to the feedback

from last time out in Mexico,

it sounded like Oscar was starting to understand

what the problem is with the pace

and his feeling of the car.

And whilst it's favoured Lando Norris,

it's slightly disadvantaged Oscar Piastri

in the feedback that he gets

and the feeling that he gets from that car

and being able to push it to the absolute,

like 100%,

he's not able to do it.

But through Mexico it got better.

But I'm really interested to see

how he reacts in Brazil,

how the car responds to his touch

and feel,

how he's done a lot of work on that simulator

in the meantime

to just get himself into a better place.

So you think it's just him

needing to get used to the car again

or what?

I do think so.

If you listen to Chim Principle Andrea Stella,

he spoke after Mexico

and so did obviously Piastri to the media.

He was very much until that point

at the loss of where the pace had gone.

Certainly when I spoke to him in America

he was dumbfounded.

He did not understand how all of a sudden

this car that had suited him so well

had really bonded with him

that had made him into

World Championship contender material.

All of a sudden it had gone from him

and the slight adaptations

that they've had,

bearing in mind they haven't brought on upgrade

for a very long time,

it's just not working for him

with those specific types of track.

Now Brazil is a very different type of track

and hopefully he'll get that feeling back.

And specific types of track

is exactly the point I was going to raise.

So if we go back to 2024

and we go

to the Singapore Grand Prix,

Lando won the race, Oscar was third,

USA Lando was fourth, Oscar was fifth,

Mexico Lando was second, Oscar was

eighth, Brazil Lando

was sixth, Oscar was eighth,

Vegas sixth, seventh

Qatar was

Lando was tenth and Oscar was on the podium

so different with Qatar but then

Abu Dhabi Lando was first, Oscar was tenth.

Oscar was still a young driver

but history has shown as he has struggled

at this point of the season before.

So is he actually a case of are we going

into some, we've said this how many times,

the example people love to raise

with this is Valtteri Bottas Russia.

Bottas was bloody untouchable

in Russia.

Lewis Hamilton couldn't get near him in Russia.

Are we in a situation where

actually we're in tracks that

doesn't quite favour, that's a possibility.

If you look at Perez

and his form I think it was in Baku.

Baku! It was almost

unbelievable! It was crazy!

So there are tracks that definitely

suit a driver and others that

you really have to work at across the weekend

and I just wonder do you think that being a sprint weekend

is actually in Piastri's favour

or will it work against him?

I think it could be in his favour

because it's simply

more time to get to grips with the car

in race spec and also you can

overthink things, whereas in a race

it's more difficult to do that because you're just racing.

So it could be in his favour.

The thing I always keep drawing

back to as well

is certainly if you read the comments

of this podcast there seems to be a thing

that because I've said

Lando's had the better of Oscar recently

that I've all of a sudden changed my mind on Oscar Piastri.

I want to make it as clear as anything

I still think Oscar Piastri will win

multiple world championships.

I still think Oscar Piastri is a really special driver.

My views on Oscar Piastri have not

changed at all, but

we do have a lot of formal

fans and this is wonderful, who are newish

to the sport, have only watched one year, two years, three years.

I think what we should say is we've seen

this before. Lewis Hamilton over

the course of his career has had

ups and downs, he's had patches where it just

hasn't worked and what we look

Oscar won races a handful of races

ago, there is also a point

of form, form goes up and down

and I just think we could sit here and

speculate whether it's particular types

of track surface, whether it's these tracks that

don't suit, whether there might be an underlying

issue with the car, I personally don't think there is

but who knows, I might be wrong long term

or it could be a simple case

of a driver just in a

sticky patch of form and if we could

if we could understand

sporting form and somebody

there was a sport scientist

who could say this is how to come out of bad form

they'd be in a lot of

they'd have a lot of money, they'd be paid off

the mortgage because they'd be in demand

for every single sport in the world, form

sometimes can't be explained, it's just

a little sticky patch, I think Oscar will

come out the other side of it, I do. How much

do you think this is a

mental thing for Oscar?

Do you think he's lost his confidence?

I asked Mark

where by that, we were on the grid

I can't remember exactly which race

maybe Singapore before it all went

Pete Jong and he

said no, it's just I'm more nervous

than he is, I'm feeling the pressure more

than he is and I

still believe that inherently

Oscar Piastri is

cool as a cucumber, he is

so calm

and he's getting frustrated

because the car isn't doing what he

wants it to do and what he's expecting

it to do but I still

even now don't believe

he's rattled, I don't believe

the pressure has got too much and is capitulated

to Lando Norris, I just believe

circumstances are worked against

him

and obviously

you have to say the C word at this point

don't worry, don't panic

conspiracy

the conspiracy theory

is still rife amongst fans

I get it on a daily basis of people

contacting me saying they've obviously

got it in for Piastri, that's a

British championship, it's British

team, they all want Lando

to win and that's what's going on behind

all of this, that's the booing that happened

last time at Mexico

which I thought was a bit rough

and shouldn't happen in our sport

and I'm disappointed

that it happened in Mexico which has always

been such a lovely

fun place to go

and they built up this head

of steam against Lando and

as F1 I think they should have spoken

out more and said look enough

don't boo

there we go

but I'm interested to know

how your fans and the fans

of the sport have reacted to this whole

conspiracy theory and how you

think that is having an impact

on the championship

Christian knows this more so than anybody

because they've been in his DMs

we've had Oscar on the podcast since

the start and he was the first thing

Oscar

was the first chat we ever recorded

he's a part of this podcast sort of growth

story and we've been lucky enough

thanks to the lovely people at McLean's

catch up with him on a regular basis as he's risen

as the podcast got older

and I think therefore a lot of people were shocked

when I said in Baku

actually I don't think it was a good weekend for Oscar

and to go back to your point

Jenny you said he doesn't appear rattled

I agree with you to me the only time he's been rattled

was that Baku weekend where

I thought he looked a bit rattled outside the car

and inside the car people really hated that

I said he came across as a bit of a spoiled teenager

he was grumpy on the radio

it was tonguing cheek

I was having a bit of a laugh as anybody

who listens to this podcast regularly

we don't take the sport seriously and we will not start taking the sport seriously

have a bit of a laugh it's only sport

but I stand by all those comments

it was not a great weekend for Oscar

but

the sudden drop off in form

we've not seen it for a while

but we have seen it in Formula One

as I've just said in my previous answer

so yes Jenny to answer your question

there's a lot of life and plentiful

and people who express opinions like me

have been very vociferous

another thing we get a lot at the moment

and there'll be people listening and watching this

being like oh I don't read the comments

I didn't know any of this it's not everybody

but another thing we get a lot is

because the three of us are British

on the podcast

so therefore we must be anti-Oscar

which I say you're not really paying attention to the podcast history

because it is on more frequently than Greg James

but

that because

certain people have come out and said it

in recent seasons

has got massively overplayed

me and Jenny are lucky enough

to be in the Paddock Affair bit

Jenny's got vastly more experience in the Paddock

than I am and I'd be interested to know

if you agree with me here Jenny

but the issue of nationality

in my opinion

in my experiences

of chatting to journalists

people who work in the sport

it doesn't come up because in Formula One

you're so used to

interacting with people

from other nationalities

there are Australian drivers

there are French team members

there are Italian team members

there are German drivers whatever

it just isn't a thing

and then when you do speak to

there are a lot of British journalists

because the sports got Britain throughout its history

but when you speak to those journalists

and you do get into

very few of them say the Brits

and even if they did say a Brits

not because they're British it's because they admire

something about their driving style

about their character, about their personality

the nationality thing I think is much bigger

for people who are outside of Formula One

and people who are in it

the British conspiracy don't go into the media room

and there is a bit where some of the British journalists

sit together but they're not all

cheering for the Brits

like I've said all season Betty

they just wanted to be good and entertaining

for business that's good for

we as people that want to work in the sport

want it to be a close title battle

that's all people want

I think the nationality thing gets

vastly overplayed

when it's British bias

I think you're looking for something that doesn't really exist

but all we want is it to be competitive

we just want to watch good racing

we want the sport to thrive

we don't care necessarily who wins

we just want it to be good

and entertaining Jenny

I do think there's a slight British bias

because as you've said

a lot of the people

in F1 are British

yes there's multinationals

represented from all corners of the world

and travelling circles

3-4 thousand people

but the language of choice

that everybody has to speak

is English

there are more journalists from the UK

than anywhere else

regardless of how many entrants they have

there are more British drivers than anyone else

and the way

that Sky broadcasts

which is to a lot of countries throughout the world

they are aware of that

but you have to say they are a British broadcaster

and Crofty does a wonderful job

as my computer is almost about to explode

with heat

and

Crofty does a great job

but as with any broadcaster

let's say you're watching football

and it's Gary Lineker

and Clive Tillsley

I'm mixing up all the different broadcasters

and you're listening to commentary of England

versus Switzerland

the commentator

is going to be more excited for an England goal

than they are for the opposition goal

not because it's a bad game

or that they're

it's just the way we're made

and if you listen to commentary in Brazil

the Brazilian journalist will be more excited

for a Brazilian goal

than they will if England score

as we're made

and the way that we represent the sport

so I'm not saying that Crofty will be more excited

because

Norris is won the championship

I think we're all better journalists and broadcasters

than that

but inherently there must be something within you

as a Brit

going

this is great, I want to see the best person

and if it happens to be Norris

maybe we should be excited for that

maybe that should be the best outcome as a Brit

I don't think there's anything wrong with that

as you said

I think I'd slightly disagree Jenny

again to use a commentator analogy

one of the most excitable commentaries I've seen

is Alex Jakes for Charlotte Clair winning the Monaco Grand Prix

Jakes he was just in his element

and that's not a British thing

so I'm not sure it's there as strongly

I don't see it as much as you do

but

but I think the fact that we have differing opinions on it

suggests maybe there is something that I don't know

but isn't that the whole Jakesy thing

with Monaco and Charlotte Clair

that was for the love of the sport

because we're all involved and invested in the sport

as the fans are too

but that's why I think it's stronger than nationality

so I agree with you on that side

but I do think

there is a sway towards

British

English nurse in the paddock

and I'd be more interested to hear

from the French broadcasters

or the Brazilian broadcasters about actually

how they feel this championship

being depicted and if they feel

this slight un

or disbalance

I'm asking lots of questions about it

because I don't want to just take

that

there's nothing there

because if enough people are saying it, maybe there is something there

but I'm too British to see it

I get what you're saying

and I think it is good to ask those questions

and sort of like see

try and see both sides of it

I don't know

anyone in the media

being more

biased towards Lando than Oscar

just because Lando's

a Brit but maybe that's me being naive

I certainly don't see it like that

if anything, I think a lot of people

support Oscar more

to be quite honest with me

see that's the thing, are we double checking ourselves

because we can't favour Norris

so we're all backing, I don't know

I don't really know what I feel about it

and also I can only speak for myself

I am looking enough to go to races

speak to drivers

my fan relationship with the sport is obviously

vastly different and people ask me all the time

who's your favourite driver

I don't have a favourite driver on track

I just don't, I don't look at the sport that way

I look at it and wanting it to be entertaining

therefore that's where

where I would be biased

is if we had had 15 max races

max race wins in a row

I would be actively in favour of max not winning the next Grand Prix

because I want entertainment

that's where I hold my hands up to my bias

but even during the Hamilton era

when he won everything

people were like

absolutely I wanted somebody else to win

100%

but I can go off like

I love talking to Alex Albon

who's tied because he's chaos

I love Oscar because he's the loveliest sweetest guy

I like Lando because I admire his principles

my reasons for liking these guys

or not liking these guys come to me

personally nothing to do with their

nationality

but you know, it's a fun topic

and one we will undoubtedly revisit

we are yet to interview a driver

who has not been very nice to us

we haven't met an angry

mean driver

so maybe when we do

then we won't favour them

can we talk about Max for Saffron though

because he, right, 36 points off the lead Jenny

do you think he could do it

what have we got, 4 races left

and 2 sprint races, is it possible

sprint weekends doesn't mean

which is a worry I think for McLaren

that he could sneak in there

and pull

a surprise come

Abu Dhabi, I wouldn't write him off

he has been, I used it in a column that I did

unstoppable

for the last few races

because he just seems in the form of his life

he's free

he feels very comfortable

he's in a good place in his relationship

everything is balanced it seems

and obviously it's easy to look from the outside

but

he doesn't have any pressure

or does he

with the sort of

5 world championships in a row

only one man's ever done that before

we all know who that is, the most successful driver around Brazil as well

so Max could do it

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I think it's a long shot

but never write Max off

yeah, you can't write Max off

you can't

but it's

he's got a mountain to climb doesn't he

he really does, but if anyone can do it

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after the break we're going to talk about

Oli Bearman to Ferrari

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the end of the season is getting so

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the winter break is getting shorter and shorter

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there's a saying we don't want this season to end

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I must be slightly out of the loop

a little bit because this bit of gossip

in the rumor mill completely

hit me round the head I had no idea

that this was a thing guys

but there's a lot of chat about

Oli Berman being lined up as a potential

successor to Lewis Hamilton

at Ferrari

where do you both stand on this Christian

Christian I'll come to you first because is this

an actual thing

well firstly is this the thing

yeah the rumors are a thing

for a start the rumors out

there that I've seen a lot of actually in the last week in particular

that Ferrari aren't looking

at beyond either 26

or 27 depending on which

one you read

to continue with Lewis Hamilton saying that

they'll make a break with Lewis either at the end of 2026

or the end of 2027 and they're saying

the successor

is Berman so why are they saying that

well firstly Oli Berman is a

Ferrari junior driver every time I spoke

to him last season he was wearing his Ferrari

kit he's been

sent out to Haas because Haas have an extremely

close relationship with Ferrari

Oli's had a good run of form

as we spoke about at length in the debrief

last time out Betty

that's why you're seeing it

in terms of my take

on the validity of these

rumors it's far too early

to tell I do not believe that either

Ferrari or Lewis Hamilton

are in any way

sure of what they will do at the end of 2026

or the end of 2027 because it entirely

depends on the end of 2026

if Lewis has a wonderful 2026

and is right up there with Charles

adds on track

performance into what you get from him

off track in development and this is a team

that needs direction would they get

red of Lewis Hamilton no they wouldn't

if Lewis Hamilton had a bad

2026 or a bad 2027

Oli Berman

would be right up there

with the list of drivers

they would look at because he

is a Ferrari junior

so do I see it happening

in the future potentially yes I do

are the rumors true

no not at this stage because

they're predicting something that I don't think

Ferrari or Hamilton know themselves

do you have a different take to me

what do you think of my rambling analysis

very good

so as soon as Berman

got the call up to replace Carlos

Sainz last year for round 2

which was Saudi Arabia

Carlos had appendicitis as you might remember

and Berman qualified 11th

and was P7

in the race obviously

the Ferrari was a better car

last year but P7

in your first F1 race

Ferrari wearing

that

and all the responsibility that goes with that

that's a tricky track as well Jenny

that's a very tricky track

so it was a massive thing for him

to have done and that enabled him

to get the half drive this year

you're only as good

as your last maybe four races

Berman has had

four very good races

where other people have not

so he's shining

at the moment and whether it's

coming from him

his agent his management team

whether it's coming from

Italian media I don't know the sources

directly but there are whispers

and it's in Ollie's interest

for their 2B whispers

linking him to that for our receipt because he has

hot property at the moment

if has come out with a car that

is wholly awful next year

because we don't know

what the pecking order will be

he won't be the talk of the town anymore

he won't be scoring

point scoring double in a weekend

and we arrange those words

don't make sense

so his opportunity is now

to get that buzz going

on a year where Lewis Hamilton

has struggled both emotionally

physically being able to drive

the car everything

if you go back to Budapest

I've not seen him looking that low

speaking to us as media

for years

so if the car

doesn't perform well next year

and Ferrari create another dog

which is possible

Ferrari create a dog is a lovely quote

but

it's happened before

will Lewis stick around for the whole year

I don't know

stick around

are you staying retiring

or going somewhere else

did you at any point this year

Christian Orbetty think

for one moment one little inkling

after Budapest

that he would walk

because 26 being on the horizon

no I didn't

but the answer to my question

gives credence to your theory

because the new era is in the horizon

for 26 and you're saying

if it's a disaster mid-season

tell you what Jenny

I don't want it to be true

none of us do of course we don't

but yes strange of things

I can't sit here and say now it's preposterous

it won't happen I've never thought of that

if you're Ferrari

sorry

if you're Ferrari and looking around

just in case something

happened with Lewis Hamilton or Charles Leclerre

you never know which one is going to throw

their toys out the pram first

then you would be crazy

not to look at your roster of talent

and look at

you with the next cabs on the rank

and Arthur Leclerre

obviously Charles's brother

has he really got enough to come to F1

I'm not so sure

there have been so many people that have been

Ferrari juniors and missed out

being F1 drivers

if you look at Schwartzman

they're a whole host

Bearman is the next one in line

so

and also Jenny

I'd never thought of it

if you sit here and say that's a ridiculous theory

I love the spice

I very much enjoy that

let's take it less spicy

please

if either Hamilton or Leclerre got Covid

or was ill

or fell down the stairs

or took all the yogurt off the shelf and injured themselves

Bearman would be the first person who would get the replacement

like when

when Mercedes borrowed Williams from

no

Mercedes borrowed Russell from Williams

that would be the same thing

that if Lewis Hamilton

had to miss this weekend

they'd be knocking on Io come out to his door

and Hass would say yes they'd have to

so that relationship's there

and if Olly keeps driving the way he's driven

Betty

I was having a chat about Olly

to a few people in the paddock in Austin

I think the

story of Bearman's season was

there's always been the speed but there was lots of

silly mistakes

in the middle of the season

one example I think I've raised on the pod before

is crashing on the pit entrance in Silverstone

like there was

it was a very rookie season somebody said to me once

Olly's having a very rookie season

someone said to me

what we're seeing in this second and this back

end of the season is the rookiness disappearing

a little bit and the speed remains

now what we were saying about Oscar

form fluctuates we shouldn't get carried away

Olly might have a dip

but if Olly continues this

inter next season and be at the end of this season

and inter next season

this chat will get stronger

and stronger

and he's got a really good barometer next to him in Ocon

Esteban is a damn good

Formula 1 driver

he's a very solid Formula 1 driver

but he's not ever been picked up

by Mercedes when they've had the option

right so judge that what you will

so if Olly comes out and beats

Ocon next season

in season 2 that is when you are going

to start Ferrari are going to be starting to think

hmm interesting as are

people away from

Ferrari thinking

I might do a pastry with Alpine

here actually if I'm struggling

can I nick him from another team

don't know who that team would be

but yeah if Olly carries on the way

he's going to be in the shot window and Ferrari have got

the priority

you would suggest there

just quickly Jenny do you think Olly

Bearman has what it takes to win

a championship one day

who knows

I didn't think Oscar Piastri did when he first came in

even though he was lauded

I'm not sure I've seen Kimi Antonelli

as good as everyone makes out that he could be

it does

these cars are tricky

as we've seen Lewis Hamilton can't get to grips

with this evolution of car

we know he's a multiple champion

but he can't drive these cars

so it depends will next year's cars

be easier to drive

but I

think you can't really

tell until it's all

shaken out

and a driver you think is going to be

amazing so talented

if they don't get that pattern

of winning the momentum

the confidence in the car which is key

the team believing in them

then they might be the best driver

ever but they won't get that chance

to win multiple world champions

so it really depends

if it's given the right car at the right time

and we always have this conversation

it's just

depending on that, look at Fernando Lanzo

brilliant, brilliant driver

wrong car, wrong time

he's happening

that is pretty true

we talk so much about

2026 and we've been talking about

2026 for the last three years

I cannot wait for 2026

to roll round and actually

see if it's worth it

is that okay?

I'm excited for it

but I would just like a break first

I'm a bit in fear of it

are you?

because this year I thought this is going to be epic

and actually it has turned into a battle

three drivers

could win it and we haven't seen that since

2012 so for me it's

kind of yes but it's been

very slow to get to this point

and I thought there'd be five drivers

fighting for the title this year

and I want that

I don't care about anything else

I just want to see a good

handful of drivers from different teams

of different nationalities

battling with amazing races

every weekend

and I'm just fearful that these cars

aren't going to give us that

Jenny don't say that

we don't need that negative

I'm putting all my positivity into 2026

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welcome back everybody

and a big welcome to

Formula 2 commentator Chris McCarthy

Chris welcome to the fast and the curious

how's things

had a good morning because everyone on this podcast

seems to have had a shambles of a morning

been very good thanks so much for having me on

a fan of the show so it's

it's a pleasure to be here thank you

thank you very much for having me on the show

excellent well we're going to talk about F2

and obviously F1 with you in a moment

but firstly you've managed

to get Crofty a host of talented

young drivers the celebrity

chef Tom Kerridge our old mate

Chloe Grant and Formula 1's

tallest commentator ever

Harry Benjamin into the same room

in built-in teens this month

he's a big man

long gentleman Benjamin

long man

long gentleman

why have you done this what was

happening talk to us about it

yeah I mean purple sectors

was a event that really

started for me a couple of years ago

now I you know I

was diagnosed with epilepsy when I

was 17 years old and

I didn't really open up about it too much

at the time I think a lot of people

when they they get epilepsy there

you know you know they're

embarrassed to speak about it they hide

from it and that was something I did when I

when I got it it wasn't and

wasn't until a couple of years ago really that I

was brave enough to go around the paddock

with a with a t-shirt on that

really showed that I had had

epilepsy and when I put pictures

out about that that the paddock

really warned me and I started to get into

conversations and realized that people

very near to me were suffering

with similar things or had connections

to epilepsy in similar ways so

off the back of that I approached the

young epilepsy charity and

came up with this idea that why

don't we give you know people with

epilepsy who cannot race ultimately

I used to race myself and when I got

diagnosed that I lost my race license

haven't been able to race since but

why don't we give people with epilepsy

a chance to race their heroes

a chance to become racing drivers

through SIM racing put them in the same

room as people like Chloe Grant

professional racing drivers

the people they listen to like people

like Harry Benjamin in the same room

and go racing for an evening

and that's what we did last year

with the first event and this year

thanks to Neil Cohen to Jenny Gao

we've expanded that project

and we've bought some big

guests in for Purple Sectors

too and made some initiatives off the

back of it so it's been

more successful than I could ever imagine

and we're only in year two so

yeah it's been really good

to see and it's creating I think a

bit of a community within the paddock

That's amazing Jenny why did you want to be

part of this? Well firstly Chris

is amazing and he's very

good at what he does and very good at

telling a story which is bizarre really

because as a commentator you don't do that at all

I suppose racing's loss

again as a community of commentators

broadcasters and journalists

because Chris is greater what he does

so I

my daughter was diagnosed with epilepsy

last Mother's Day

so last year

and it was a bit of a shock to

the system she has absences

so her seizures

aren't like the shaking ones

that are I suppose

most recognisable

she just goes away for some time

could be up to

few minutes could be seconds

so we're trying to

navigate this new life

I've met lots of people

who are Mums and Dads

of people who have epilepsy

children

it is very much a life changing

illness if you have it

and you have it for the rest of your life

a lot of children do grow out of it

but I just wanted to do

as much as I could to raise awareness

because Chris is right

it's another one of those things that

we don't talk about

we're scared to talk about it

and the more we are aware of it

the symptoms

what we can look out for

how we can help, how we can aid

how we can mentor

young people who have got epilepsy

to have a better life

to make the best of their life

then the more we can do

the better I think

because guys it's something

we like to speak

about the stuff that people don't speak

about on this podcast

and I think weirdly

sports sometimes

falls a little bit behind society

sometimes some of the taboos

in society still end up being taboos

in sports

a little bit later on

so it's why we always talk about

whether it's getting women involved in motorsport

whether it's LGBT stuff all the stuff we talk about

on this podcast

Chris obviously you've always had a passion

for motorsport

you've raced yourself as you say

were you worried

that your epilepsy

we know it unfortunately stopped your racing

but were you worried it would have a wider impact

on just your motorsport involvement full stop

a little bit

obviously getting around the country

when you can't drive is a little bit difficult

but in all honesty it's actually become

quite a positive thing

it forced me to have to meet people

within the paddock

I found myself in going to tracks

I remember the first time I did

Formula Rena Eurocup I arrived at Hockenheim

with absolutely no idea

how I was going to get to the hotel

then how I was going to get back

and then how I was going to get back to the airport

but then that forced me to meet a load of people

so I've become quite a good passenger

for people

and I've often had to see people with racing jackets

getting on flights and go up to them

and then face track

and then ask them for a lift

and buy them a coffee for the pleasure of it

so to be honest

it's forced me to become a little bit more confident

I think in the paddock

and I've tried to turn it into a positive

and that's what I think through this event

myself, Jenny and Neil we're trying to do

we're trying to include people

and show them that they should

become involved in the sport

they shouldn't let this hold them back

because yes we do have

epilepsy but it has never helped me back

and actually all the people

that when I've opened up

to the people that I've worked for

they've only gone out of their way to help me

get around it so I did worry

about it a lot and that's why I never spoke about it

but the more I opened up about it

the more help I got actually

Chris you also mentor quite a lot

of young people as well don't you

you sort of try and help them

can you talk to us a little bit about that

why do you do that I guess

things with purple sectors

we did this year when I

went to Jenny and to Neil

we decided we wanted to take the event

a little further than just having

people with epilepsy race at the event

which was something we did last year

something that we're going to do again this year

but we

Young Epilepsy has a great program

called the Youth Voice Network where they

help a lot of young people

through their epilepsy

and help them deal with it

so we went to

the Youth Voice Network

and gave them this opportunity

all the members on it to

become part of the broadcast team

for purple sectors

this year

and after some

after quite a few applications we took

five people to Silverstone

to the Silverstone 500

race a British GT race and we took them

around Jenny

took them into Hayfish's truck

we got to see a broadcast live

we took them into

Kian Giuse the GT driver

who eventually won the championship

they sat in his car which was really cool

and then we took them to

the British Cart Championships as well

where they got to have a little go on

pushing the buttons for Alpha Live

who were broadcasting the event

and this year well next week

they're going to be helping us broadcast

purple sectors to live so it's going to be

a really cool experience for them

to be broadcasting on the CV for them

and hopefully then something they can take on

to try and go and work in the industry

that's brilliant Chris because you're providing people

with opportunities which I think all of us

me, Chris, Jenny, Betty, we all know

unless someone gives you a go at something

at some point you don't start

we've all got somebody to be grateful for

so that's massive and you'll be in that person

for so many people Chris

and also Jenny

I think you all relate to it

so many people who listen to this podcast

and watch this podcast will relate to it

the fact that if you're different

whether you've got epilepsy

whether you've got a

learning difficulty

whether you're gay, whether you're a woman sometimes

in sport, there is that worry, that feeling

that because I'm different this is going to stop me

and I suppose talking about it in lieu of

events like this

helps get rid of stigmas

and realise you can be involved in sport

in our case motorsport no matter who the hell you are

exactly and as the

diversification of F1 fans

continues to grow

there are more people coming to this sport

younger people, different people

people that we want to

not only open the door to

we want to blow the door off

and say whoever you are

I don't care if you're young, old, black

it doesn't make a difference

this sport is inclusive

and this society is one that will support you

it's not about booing someone

it's about cheering for someone

lifting them up and hoping that they can

go on and be even

better than you are

so I am a thoroughly

believer

or I thoroughly believe in

mentoring, ambassadorships

leaving

a gap open for someone else

to explore what they

can bring to this sport

and it doesn't matter

who you are you will always

have something different to bring

which will be of benefit to someone

absolutely and right Chris

you mentioned purple sectors too

we know it's in Milton Keynes it's November the 11th

if people are listening to this

we've got people listening to this all around the world

Milton Keynes is a bit of a track

and I'm sure they'll send their apologies

but if you are fairly close to Milton Keynes

on November the 11th and people think this is something I'd like to go to

or even just get involved in

Chris what are the details where can people go

it's going to be live broadcast

on Alpha Live's YouTube channel

he's already up for that so do go

and check out the YouTube channel

and you can already see that we've got the live stream link

up there ready to go

we're going to be actually broadcasting

not just that but a content creator race

as well which will be filmed a little bit earlier

in the day so you might see some familiar

faces in that

and yeah and then we've got

our Instagram page as well

at setting purple sectors which has

links to our raffle prizes

as well so if you can't be there then

we've got some great auctions, some great raffles

Jenny's done some fantastic

work around the paddock when she's been off to the F1 events

we've got stuff from Mercedes

she's a hustler

she'll enict it Chris

she'll enict it

she'll have been around the back with the in-liner

having it she will

they're going to see it goes missing

what they don't know won't hurt them

exactly

have a look you might

see some of it yourself

but there's some really great stuff

on there

we've got stuff coming in from Paul Oz as well

which looks really cool so

have one of these up for grabs as well

I don't know if it's

any worth about

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I could do I would say it's the perfect raffle prize as well

because it's going to be a great event

and there's something for everyone

when it comes to raffles and auctions

and if you just want to get involved

send us messages on the night

support us

because I think the more we talk about it

as Chris says

the better it will be for everyone

and it will be such a fun event

so if you can't be there with

Harry and Crofty going head to head

in the commentator's buffer with Chris

then you can join us online

Excellent

that sounds wonderful if people are wondering

why the right honourable Betty Glover

has left us and is being quiet

it's not that she doesn't support the event

she's very passionate about it but she's struggling with internet issues

so I'm holding the thought

Chris while we've got you here

we need to talk about F3 and F2

F3's done for 2025

well Kamara taking the crown

but we've got two more rounds of Formula 2

in Vegas and Abu Dhabi

you are the commentator, you are the oracle of this

so I'd like to know who's going to win

and who we should be excited about

and if these predictions aren't right

we'll be holding you personally responsible

so yeah, who's going to win Chris?

I'm seeing Jack Crawford in a week

so it'd be awkward if I didn't say him

Leo Fornaroli

Jack Crawford

it looks like it's going between them

and Chase as well

I think the next round is going to be key

Jack Crawford is going to have the

advantage there as he's raced there before

Leo Fornaroli hasn't

and then they've both got track experience

at Abu Dhabi, it really is hard to put

a name on one driver

because the championship leaves changed

I think with every single race

but Fornaroli has just looked

he won the championship in F3

last year and he is making

absolutely no mistakes at the moment

so it looks like he just has the edge

but track advantage might give

Jack Crawford a chance to

sneak into the lead or at least draw level

going into the final round

I think he's going to go to the last race

in all honesty, I'm really excited about it

Chris, just briefly, Alfred Limblad

is the name that we keep hearing a lot

keeps being linked with Red Bull

there is a common belief

that he is ready for F1

and will be the sort of the next to take the step

would you go along with that

are you impressed by him?

Absolutely, he's

been a rookie this season

he's held his own very well

for campus racing, we saw him

win at Barcelona earlier in the year

I think what people need to remember

he accelerated through the ranks

really quickly, he was only

in F4 a couple of years ago

went straight into F3

did very well, got a famous

double win at Silverstone

won four races that season

tied for the record in that year

and then went straight into F2

it's been a very quick process that Red Bull

have put him through to be ready

for this opportunity

it looks like he's going to jump straight in

and will be ready to go

so I'm excited to see what Alfred Limblad

can do, been mentored

all the way through by Olly Rowland

since he was about seven years old

which will be a nice thing for Olly Rowland

to Formula E world champion

of course to see him go through

Chris we will continue to keep an eye on him

Betty, we have you back

I believe, Betty, come in Betty Glover

Hello, I am here, Chris, sorry

I've just missed all of your magic

basically, you basically

you joined the podcast

and my internet went f*** this, she's out

No worries, I won't take it personally

Betty's internet got a finger

against Christopher Carthy, is that right?

I know, I know, he wouldn't believe what he said

he absolutely dropped a

oh yeah, he did it

was it gold dust

but Betty, we're at the point

where we usually ask at this point to the podcast

about the Brazilian Grand Prix

last year

we had a lot of rain, like we're looking like this year

Max Verstappen rose from 17th

Betty would you like to

read what you've written in the script

because I particularly enjoy it?

Max Verstappen cruised from 17th to victory

like a swan on a lake

a lovely Dutch swan

he was like a swan though, wasn't he?

he was like a swan

but weather we're expecting to be

sort of similar, maybe not as bad

but I mean, has anyone checked it recently?

shall I check it?

you do live weather

Jenny, regardless of wet or dry

Brazil's a cracking track, right?

overtaking possible

Brazil usually good fun

so good, I love it

interlagos between two lakes

that's what it actually means

and I think it could be in between

two lakes, physically as well as

spiritually

because it's going to rain a lot on Saturday

so we could have a repetition

of last year where the

qualifying had to take place

delayed on the morning

of the race day

but obviously it's a sprint weekend

oh yes, it was chaos

and they started the race early

and even then they didn't start it early enough

so it got rain delayed, it got red flagged

there'll always be some sort of

safety car red flag issue

on the race day in Brazil

but actually Sunday's looking okay

looking dry for now

so, and I like

your analogy of a swan but to me

if you've played Mario Kart

it was like you suddenly got the bullet

and suddenly you were from the back

to the front in one click of

a steering wheel so he

was so dynamic and I wouldn't

be surprised if he did the same again

Chris, what's this track like?

Explain it to us and who do you think

will thrive on a track like this?

I've been super impressed with the rookies

they've done very well haven't they?

Isaac Hajar is doing so well this season

and I can see a big result

coming from someone like him

this weekend, he's got that opportunity

the rumours of him maybe jumping up

so yeah, I think we're going to see

a big result from one of the rookies

Oli Bearman is obviously in good form

at the moment currently

but yeah, this is always

a track that produces

one of those surprise results

one of the smaller teams sort of jumping up

and getting either like a top 5 finish

or a podium but

I'm going to stick with Isaac for this one

and say he's going to produce a big result

this weekend maybe get a top 5 finish

or something like that

Let's do top 3 then

predictions from everyone, Christian?

No, come back to me

I'm going to be boring though

I think Max will win this weekend

Jenny, I feel like you probably agree

with the max prediction there

I feel like a max clean sweep

again with pole

sprint race and the win

which will shake things up again

in the championship

because there's a lot of points up

for Crambs this weekend

I think Norris

second

and I think we're going to get an outlier

for this weekend

and I think we're going to get an outlier

in third place, someone really

random so I am going

to go for

let's just blow it

wide open, Sonoda

Oh I'd love that

I'd be so happy

little Yuki on the podium, it'd be

joyous wouldn't it?

I know last year two Alpenes were on the podium

so never write anyone off

No Oscar

on your podium there Jenny

I mean obviously

huge bias

it's nothing personal

I'm just not convinced

right now, he's in the better mind

I would love it, I would love it

if he was able to turn things around

and really fight for this championship

because he deserves it

he deserves to be able to fight there

but I'm not convinced yet

I've said passionately

in this podcast that I don't think

British bias is a thing and I'm going to stick with that

I think Hamilton Russell Berman

Love it

It doesn't think there's no British bias here

Hamilton Russell Berman

No Lando

No George

I'm just going to mix it up

I'm going to say Oscar's going to have this mad comeback

he's going to get P1

then it's going to be Max and then it's going to be Lando

Oh spicy

Guys thank you so much

for joining us

it has been an absolute pleasure

sorry that I missed half the chat

but there we go

what can you do about it

Thank you to Jenny Gale

Thank you to Chris McCarthy

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Betty Glover, thank you

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to debrief the Mexican

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