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Volkswagen Gtis
The Volkswagen Golf GTI is a fun and sporty version of a small car called the Golf. It's popular because it combines good performance with the ability to be used as a regular car for daily driving.
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Mazda Miata
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Acura Nsx
The Acura NSX is a fast sports car that uses both a gasoline engine and electric motors to go really fast and handle well. It's known for being high-tech and fun to drive.
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Porsche Taikon
The Porsche Taycan is a fast electric car that looks and drives like a sports car. It's known for being very quick and has a lot of high-tech features inside.
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Porsche Taycan GTS
The Porsche Taycan GTS is an electric car that offers a mix of luxury and speed. It's designed to be both comfortable and very fast, appealing to those who want an eco-friendly vehicle without sacrificing performance.
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Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that has been around for a long time. It's known for being fast and fun to drive, and many people admire its unique shape and performance.
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Ford Mustang Boss 302
The Ford Mustang Boss 302 is a special version of the Mustang that is built for performance. It's known for being faster and more powerful than the regular Mustang.
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LS3
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Maruti Suzuki Esteem
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Vespa 310
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Cars and Bids
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control arms
Control arms are parts of a car's suspension that help keep the wheels in place and allow them to move up and down smoothly. They help the car handle better when driving.
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facelift
A facelift is when a car gets a small update to its look, like new lights or a different front end, but it’s still basically the same car underneath.
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active ride
Active ride is a type of suspension that can change how the car feels while driving. It makes the ride smoother or sportier depending on the situation.
Term
ceramic brakes
Ceramic brakes are special brakes made from ceramic materials that help the car stop better and don't get as hot as regular brakes.
Term
Magride
Magride is a special technology in car suspensions that can change how the car rides based on the road. It uses a special fluid that reacts to magnets, making the ride smoother when needed.
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air suspension
Air suspension is a type of car suspension that uses air instead of metal springs. It can make the ride smoother and can be adjusted to change how high or low the car sits.
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McLaren
McLaren is a brand that makes very fast and fancy sports cars. They are known for using new technology to make their cars handle well in all kinds of driving conditions.
Term
regenerative braking
Regenerative braking is a system in electric cars that helps recharge the battery when you slow down. Instead of wasting energy, it saves some of it to use later.
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panic stop
A panic stop is when you need to stop your car very quickly, usually in an emergency. It's important to know how well your brakes work in these situations.
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Saturn Auras
The Saturn Aura is a comfortable car that's good for everyday driving. It's known for having a lot of space inside and is often considered a good deal for people looking for a used car.
Term
Performance battery
A performance battery is a special type of battery used in electric cars that helps them go faster and charge more quickly. It makes the car perform better overall.
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range
Range is how far an electric car can go before it needs to be charged again. It's important to know this so you can plan your trips.
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Lucid Gravity
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proximity sensors
Proximity sensors help unlock your car doors without needing to press a button on your key. They sense when you're close by and can automatically open the door for you.
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infotainment system
The infotainment system in your car is like a computer that controls music, navigation, and other features. It helps you stay connected and entertained while driving.
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Apple CarPlay
Apple CarPlay lets you use your iPhone in your car. You can see your apps and maps on the car's screen, making it easier to drive while staying connected.
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kilowatt hours
Kilowatt hours tell you how much energy a battery can hold. More kWh usually means the car can drive farther before needing to recharge.
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Porsche 930 Turbo
The Porsche 930 Turbo is a famous sports car known for its turbocharged engine, which gives it a lot of power. It's part of the 911 family and has a classic look.
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crank horsepower
Crank horsepower is the amount of power an engine produces before it sends that power to the wheels. It's important for understanding how powerful a car is.
Term
roll racing
Roll racing is when cars race while already moving instead of starting from a stop. It tests how fast a car can go from a certain speed.
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Porsche 718 Cayman GT4
The Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 is a very fast sports car that is designed for people who love to drive. It has a special engine and is built to handle really well on the road or track.
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Dodge Vipers
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Honda S2000
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Ford Mustang
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Lexus Ls
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BMW 1800S
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Tata Motors Aria
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Nissan Rogue
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Volkswagen Jetta
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BMW M3
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Chevrolet Camaro
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Toyota Land Cruiser
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Porsche 964
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Genesis G90
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Mercedes-Benz SL
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Lamborghini Kuntosh
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Audi RS4
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Mercedes-Benz EQS
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Hyundai Ionic 5
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Mercedes-Benz EQE
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BMW 530I
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Ford Mustang GT
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BMW M2
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Chevrolet Tahoe
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BMW X3M
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We open with this? Really, it's really a hook, isn't it, Miata? Should have put this at the end. Should have, yeah. And in conclusion, we still can. Is it hard? Can I talk about the Ticon GTIs on the show now? That's how we're going to do that. What up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is brought to you as always by Off the Record. We love Off the Record here at the Smoking Tire Podcast because they are looking out for you 24-7365.
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What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tiger Podcast. 815 AM on a Friday. We were going to have Gordon Murray in today, but he's unfortunately not feeling well.
Well, and so instead I'm going to give you my review of the Taikon GTS, which is totally the same thing
It's stick around to the end of the show for a surprise
Got a good surprise one of our
Patreon members is going to help with this test by the way with this what do you mean with this test?
Yes, wait to the listeners have to wait to the end to know what we're talking about. Oh, I'll tell you what okay
What does that mean they have a drill and they have the thing we're gonna talk about
At the end of the show and they can spin the thing on a drill to look at it science
So they're gonna do science like now like before the end of the show
I don't know can we get it can like I feel like if you're on the fucking livestream. They are listen
This is being recorded put it down and go put some airpods in get that drill. Yeah, I said do it
Send a clip to Zach at the smoking tire.com posted in the patreon. So yeah, we'll talk about Taikon GTS
Zach kind of fucking go in
Barkos a cool new air cooled 911, which is like a 1970 something with like a
3 motor in it. Yeah, which is a nasty little thing
I got into the ice race with the manks. So there's a we're going. We're going to the ice race got it now. It means I have to
Sell a car to buy tires
You got to make or get a spike tires shout out to right esteem also they dropped off the new Vespa 310 in my driveway
I have it for like a month
This is the one with the engines like 5cc's bigger than yours. It's more than that
It turns out that my 300 is really a 278 and this 310 is actually a 310
So it's it's actually like 30cc's bigger, which is you know 10%
Makes like 5 more horsepower. I wrote it once already
There's going to be expensive press loan. Oh, I'm going to sell this car
I'm going to be flush with cash and after riding this for a month
I wrote this one once and I go I don't know if I want to go back to the 300
This one after one ride the throttle response is incredible and
The the fucking shocks they've put on this this thing has like
It's like mine feels like a like a rent a rental car or a scooter and this feels like a motorcycle
Wow, yeah, this has really good suspension on it. All right, so you're gonna get a new Vespa
I mean maybe I'm gonna put an offer in on a used demo if when they want to sell the the press once
That's the move so buy an X press bike if you can nice
Are you gonna sell your old Vespa to your current trainer the way you did with the last one?
He is last scooter
The cycle of scooters. No, you did with it. Yeah, both of them. Yeah, I sold my last two scooters to to trainers
Yeah, I don't think my trainer wants this one different trainer. I got it
Dude Sean riding a Vespa would be hilarious ladies would love him. That's true. Yeah
But yeah, the NSX is up. It's on cars and bids now
We did an 11-day auction
So that it wouldn't end on like Christmas now is that longer or shorter than longer? Okay longer than normal normally there's seven days
Okay, so I think it ends on the 29th
It does ends on the 29th. So photos by Tadius and
Yeah, I'm stoked right it's ready to see a new home cool
There's there's so many photos. Please the underside photos you have never seen
I mean this is talk about this is like this car like
Presents as new basically
There's like one little Nick on on the on the leather on the passenger side and like but the underside of this car
Geez it's it's I have no evidence the car has ever seen rain your control arms
Yeah, are like as clean as silverware. Yeah, it has certainly. It's not seen rain since 2017 at least
It's been it hasn't seen rain in the least eight years. This is crazy. Yeah
So if you want to know what it's like to have a brand new car. This is what that's like like
Shiny yeah everything is stock suspension components from 25 you this car's never been dry ice blasted
If it had there would absolutely be a document of it in this crazy fucking binder I have that was
Obsessive by the
So this is what cars look like when they're cleaning new this is yeah, this is a this is a 20-year-old car with
20,000 miles on it. That's bananas. Yeah, wow
so good car
Brand-new tires fly in drive-at-home
Don't don't need doesn't need nothing everything works turn key longer than drive the better that thing is such a heavy car
Yeah, I drove it to Vegas. I drove it to I drove it to Palm Springs
I drove it to Santa Barbara San Diego. It's a lovely touring car. Yeah, buy it good
Buy it at auction on cars and bids take it home
So you're gonna roll all the money from this into the vestibule. Yes
I'm gonna buy I'm gonna put diamonds. There's that there was there was a crazy designer
Vespa that is like a hundred thousand dollars plus and it is very silly. I forget what designer it was
but
I'm sure you it looks like it looks a little different than a regular Vespa, but not a hundred thousand dollars different
Chris John Dior did a collab in 2021 and
Oh, it's Canadian money. Those are 36,000. Is it like
Is it look weird or does it look like a just different color schemes?
The GTS super 300 was sold for $76,000. I
Can't find a weird one yet. There was one there was one that was literally like at the Pagani showroom in LA when I went to go do the
Utopia
Review and it it was like it was like a coach built kind of Vespa
But it was like over a hundred thousand dollars. It was crazy. Wow
There's a vintage one for 200 grand. It's like the original Vespa sure. Yeah, there's a sign fells got a few of those he really likes old scooters
Should we talk about Taik on GTS? Yes, okay
There is if you scroll down. There's a couple. It's they're not great. That the great. It's right there
I'm sorry to say that's but you know what a Taik on GTS looks like
and
It's it's that's a bet it's actually I chose poorly right there because it does have a new front fascia
And I don't know if the yeah, you can see it there. So it has a different headlight shape. The headlights are more
I what's it's like a it's it's got like a clear cover that shaped more us into the front of the nose
Oh, okay, like so you know my 2022 there has the sort of scalloped. Yeah, that around yeah, the recess bit
So I think the new front end is more dynamic and that's across the the whole range there
That's that's really the only way to identify the new one from the outside
When this thing first rolled up
I was like all right how you know right away how much different is it from mine if you open the door and sit in it and get in it
The answer is zero
When sitting the seats the steering wheel the buttons the dead the the the the software is updated
But like everything else is the same
If you don't
If you don't have the new one parked next to the old one
It's mostly mostly the same from the styling standpoint
I mean, it's clearly still a tie-con. It's a facelift. I haven't alike how the new one looks, but it's not a radical change
and and
And generally the experience of being in it using it in whatever is the same and so that's not a bad thing because
Ticons are great, but I bought mine used for you know 64,500 dollars
plus tax and and
the new one as
Tested was a hundred and ninety six thousand dollars. Okay, so like that's a crazy thing to think about in terms of value that I can get
80%
90%
of
This current one for my car at least when it's used just as a sort of
Daily driver type of car right running errands commuting
Highway driving city driving stuff like that
Dynamically, that's where all the other money goes. Okay, because the GTS has active ride
It has performance battery plus it has rear steer which mine doesn't have it has power steering plus it has sport chrono
that I say ceramic brakes already it has ceramic brakes
so like all the stuff that makes it drive is
much much better
and having lived with act with an active ride Ticon for a week
Mine getting back to it feels kind of shitty. Like there. It's like it's air suspension
so it's like floaty and whatever and
Might if I get another Ticon is absolutely having active ride like it's just it matches that platform of and the vibe of like
gliding like so well
It also just mutes so many of the weird roads around here especially like just around this office. There's a lot of like
Heaves and you know the land keeps settling because of Howard Hughes or whatever
So there's a lot of weird ups and downs and whoops and cracks and like it really muted that stuff
Yeah, like there's you know a lot of the reason that people who live in cities by SUVs are you know
It's like rent and justified our crumbling infrastructure
It feels like off-roading like you know, I might as well be an appropriate vehicle for it
And and active ride is a great justification for not needing an SUV
It is a fucking sports car that rides like that
It feels like an advancement similar to what Magride felt like remember when Magride when that came out was this
Holy crap have your cake. You need a two thing. Yeah, and you just go. Wow
It can get so soft and smart and then as they updated it the like it all got smoother because the reaction time of the
Sensors and the motors and everything got so good
This is a big step forward. Yeah, um active ride is not
Substantially better than air suspension when it comes to like hard-edged potholes
It is better, but that's where it's really better is in like what unexpected whoops
like an unexpected whoop in a road or like a
Speed bump that's still kind of smooth. That shit disappears. That's not there at all
Like if you hit a hard edge, you know
You still feel that especially because this thing has you know 21s on it if you paired active ride with a little more side wall
That would be better
So my car on air suspension this car in active ride hit hard edges
Similarly, but the the whoops the the the active ride is unreal
I mean, it's it's a complete game changer and the body control because air suspension
Has cushy ride or decent body control. Yeah, but you have to choose one or the other active ride can do both at the same time
Yes, which is yeah, that's that's like that's game over for a daily driver type of car that also needs to be sporty
Like that's just fucking next level. It's like the McLaren magic. Yeah, they can just do everything in every condition
It's incredible. Yeah, I also
It wasn't so much that the GTS had ceramic brakes that makes a difference because
I never
You know, I drove it up the mountain a little bit, but I didn't I didn't really do anything super super dynamic with it
That would justify a ceramic brake
But it had the performance battery plus has a much more aggressive
Not aggressive, but it was more powerful
AC charging system, which is what charges off the regen to so like it can do more regen brake when you hit the brakes
The brakes feel much better and more powerful even before you get to the caliper and I really like that and also
My car has like the base brakes. I don't need the ceramic brakes, but if I get another one
I'd probably spend for those white
Brakes the surface coated brakes. They're a little bigger. They're a little more powerful you get them with the S like
My brakes kind of suck
Well, like around town do they suck in terms of the radio which they slow you down like on the highway
The pedal is soft. Okay, the pedal soft. I and I really like the pedal on the the GTS
And in the in a panic stop situation, they're fine, but I'd like better
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Let's get back to it, you know, I don't like me is never going to say I don't want better breaks
Sure, do I want us I don't want to spend $10,000 for ceramic breaks
That's when you're not even using the caliper 85% of the time like that's stupid, but you know if you need it
Yeah, when a lot of the sports cars we drive and we drive a lot of sports cars
They've either it whether it's through
Components or through just the way they've adjusted like breaking fuel over the years
Like I feel like everything is grabbing earlier and earlier and pedal travel
So then when I get in a car like the car will talk about a little bit the air cooled one
You know stuff where the clamping force is deeper in the pedal even if it's really good even if it's like a 10 piston
Whatever you see your brain my brain still is like oh this feels like it's not hooking up the way it should
Yeah, just because everything now engages earlier. Yeah, I mean, I do like it a higher bite
But I don't need a crazy rotor caliper in a car like this when I have such a powerful
Regen system. I mean I forget in the zinger. I mean sure to run a fuck in 22
Laguna like you want incredible breaks
But to drive the canyon in that car
You're barely squeezing the caliper because that car has a fucking hugely powerful
Regent system and you don't even really
Need the calipers at all to fly a pecanian road in one of those cars
but
You know, it's it's it's it's a little unfair to go well
My used 30,000 there 26,000 mile car when I bought it versus this brand new much more expensive version of it
I mean the truth is like if you want a daily you shouldn't get a really fast EV you that's that's kind of a waste
Like the overall experience of driving around L.A. in my car and driving around in this car are
10% different 15% different. Yeah, the ride is a little better. Oh, okay, you know what I mean?
It goes a little faster. Okay, break stop. Okay, but like they're the same cars
Well, I mean it tends to be true from you for plenty of ice cars performance cars
Yeah, the changes are usually small and unless you drive one that's you know back to back five years apart unless there's been a
Massive change like oh this car had coils and now this one has mag ride
Yeah, they didn't offer it in 22 now it's in 25, but let's there's something like that
It's always like oh it's a little more power
Oh, they're sure they took this thing from the upper tier and they brought it down to the meat the middle tier shit like that
Yeah, I mean, I'll say it again the active ride is the real
game changer and
If I was gonna get another tycon after this one like I know regrets about this car this car
This white car is awesome. I mean for the amount of money I paid for this thing
It's fucking on point. I'm all about it fully in but if I was gonna get another one in two years
active ride and
Performance battery plus I would not even because of the range, but because of the of the the performance of the battery charging speed
Yeah, you know the the charging speed the the regen performance like stuff and yeah, like a little more range would be fine
If I could do
San Diego and back at
The speed I want to go as opposed to doing it at 74 that would be great
You you want to go to the speed of traffic
Yeah, essentially yeah, if you try and do San Diego and back at 74 miles an hour
You're in the right lane with the trucks pass by everybody which is silly. Yeah, can be done, but it's silly
I'm gonna do
At least the plan right now is to do the root scout for this Arizona desert event in a in a lucid gravity
GT which has support very long indicated range to go to 400 miles. So I'm kind of hoping which by the way, I got a check hang on
I have to double check the route that we're on for this
Pacific Northwest thing with these floods I think I don't know
I don't know but like a lot of roads have got fucked up. Yeah, if you would if you don't know
There's been some really serious flooding in Washington and also there's two of them on Tana
Yeah, Montana a bridge fell down. Yeah
The kind of upper and northwestern United States has gotten hammered by rain and I mean there's some towns like
Barnes are floating away. Yeah, yeah
Just last things I will say about the new tycon the certain things are are really improved from my car
The proximity sensors with the key
My car 5050 if you walk up with the key half the time it unlocks half the time you have to hit on lock
Yeah, we were down at HR the other day. Yeah, and oh, no, it does a different car
It went when was yours. Oh, it was the other car the other car. I also had the same problem. Yeah, so
So my car it's like half the time it'll do it half the time it won't not a deal breaker, but fine the new one 100% of the time
The screens infotainment a little bit faster in the new one
The the addition of it's not a it's an air quotes hard button because it is on the touch screen
But it's a it's docked on the touchscreen hard button for car play. That's a nice thing and honestly the hard button for car play
Eliminates the need for car play ultra entirely because all I want if the if the like if the native system
I get that car play is better than most native systems for
Playing multimedia and engaging with your phone
But sometimes native systems are like pretty good for like doing car functions and
Porsches is one of those there the menus are not typically very confusing the the touchscreen climate control vents
I still fucking hate yeah, but outside of that. I don't know how car play ultra would fix that. I don't think they could but
As long as you can go switch very easily between your car play, which is probably using your GPS function and
the
The native system which you can with this one hard button on the dock it replaces the button for phone
Because of course it does
I really wish I could get an update on my car that we get that that changes the game
My car doesn't have it. That seems like that could be possible. It totally does
I'm sure it's a good reason it doesn't but it totally does loading taskbar in other words
They have not improved the backup camera. It is bait. It's the same
But but yeah, I mean the car the cars evolving and is is getting better and
And it's fucking crazy expensive to get one of these things new
But but they're dope. I mean the front of technology for them, right?
Like it's always going to be expensive. Yeah, as this is I think
Barn this is the ultimate daily driver car. There's nothing better that you could spend
You're mourning an afternoon, especially like man if I lived where I grew up
I lived in granite. Yeah, and I commuted into Manhattan
Fuck me. There is no better commuter. You start with some windy grinched back roads
You hit the merit parkway fucking little bumpy but nice undulating now you get down to man
Manhattan you get over the over over the bridge on the FDR and the tarmac is just shit
And it's just the right over I mean nothing better. This this rides like I think the way people would imagine a Rolls-Royce
It's right. It's like it's that good
But then you hit the buttons and if you commuted from the valley, you know if you go over to Panga
Yeah, a lot of people here that you know people use back roads to get places because there's too much traffic on the main road
And this is the great solution for that. Yeah, it's it's really really good and and it has more you know more range
Just as a this is like a legitimate the GTS is like a legitimate
280 to 300 mile car if you're if you're chilling
Which my car isn't my car if you're chilling is like 220
Performance battery is a big difference. It is it's a physically a bigger battery. It's also a better battery
How many more kilowatt hours is loaded?
It's a question I should know and I don't know offhand, but I bet I bet the oligarchs
Thirsty machine will tell us
It is it's a it's double digit kilowatts though. It's 105. It's 105. I think mine's 83. So it's like it's significantly bigger
105 seems like a lot I think it's 105 because in 2022
Performance battery plus was 93 kilowatt. Yeah, so mine and mine is non so it's 80 mine was 83
Okay, and it would have been 93 and 20 and now it's 105. Wow. Yeah, yeah, according to dump and current
Right top here. Yeah, that's yeah, all right. It's a big-ass battery big difference. Wow a lot of juice
Yeah, I mean shits come a long way
These are so sick though. Oh, I would love to get one
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So experienced with air-cooled cars. Oh, sorry. The battery. I think it's 97 kilowatts. Oh, okay. I saw nine. I wonder if one of five is the client the new client E-V maybe
Maybe I don't know. I thought I'm okay different forest things. Thanks AI giving us great answers
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Yeah, I
So I've had like very little experience with old air-cooled air-cooled cars. I drove them a Kelo's
R-S-R replica thing like seven years ago. I think it may be 10 years ago and then I drove
their
Turbo charge like they're 9 9 30 turbo car, but
The R-S-R one was so long ago like I just didn't have a lot of experience driving porches at the time even new ones
And then the turbo thing
They just feel that there's tons of lag there's power in the straight line. It was on modern tires, but I think it was just not
It just wasn't representative of like
Why everyone's shopping for these air-cooled naturally aspirated
What it was singer hot rod wherever you want to call it. I don't really care
But since since I drove those cars the market has exploded the popularity is way up
And Marco at TLG who is obviously my you know old Porsche Sherpa was like drive this thing
And he literally said is like you don't you don't have a lot of experience driving these cool things that are made fast and
Like all shop owners
He's like and I want you to drive a good one, which is mine. Yeah, or his customers
So this and I've got the spec sheet, which is very long. I will not read the whole sheet if you want that you can go to my Instagram
It is a 72 9 11 T
But it has the big fender flares of an RSR their steel and then
The big story is the engine is a 3.8 liter 993 RS engine. Yeah, that makes 305 wheel horsepower
That's a ton. It is a ton. Yeah, it's a ton. The car this light
I mean, I think I think for most cars 400 crank is pretty great
You know, you don't really need more than that and if the car weighs under
3500 pounds like you're gonna have a really good time. Yeah, unless you're roll racing into 400 horsepower and
3000 pounds is the answer. That's the right answer. Yeah. Yeah, that's the good number
Yeah, that's a that's it came in GT4 is what that is basically
It feels balanced. Yeah, you can't really over drive it now. This car did have really good
It had a really good brakes their manual brakes, but what are they out of um
I forget the brakes. I mean they're probably just like 993 brakes or something 930 calipers rotors
It's got a diff so the interesting thing about this
So you mix and match Porsche factory parts. It's a really hot rod of thing
transmissions of five speed, but the first four gears have been shortened
Which is rad. Yeah, that's the move that is after driving this and
Like I was talking about this you know spiders with the shorter shark works gears or whatever like that is such the answer
If you can't just shorten the final drive
Shorning the final drive is not always the answer because you end up with a car
They could they could be great in the canyon, but suck on the highway. Right. That's the compromise
You can customize your gears. Oh my god. Do that. So the first four in this are short thing revs day
8500 RPM anyway, and then the fifth one is like total highway cruiser gear. It's rad
That was an interesting thing and then the other one is that it has no sway bars
It has these attractive adaptive shocks in it. Oh, yeah, have you used those before? Yeah
I've never I've never I don't think I've ever used them without sway bars
But I used to they've had them I've tried them in like vipers and corvettes and stuff
So the guy the guy that used to run. I think flying lizard racing
um
Recommends these attractive suspension, and so that's why Marco put them on this car
And he runs them without sway bars because they're they're so adaptive like they do the job of the sway bar
Wow
Weird, but I could not tell this car didn't have sway bars like it leaned in the corner, but not a ton
um, and then you have it had a little screen at underneath the dash where you could choose five different modes
Now when I drove it all the modes felt exactly the same
And I told Marco this when I brought the car back and he texted me like two hours later and he goes
Oh, yeah, the parameters were
Fakakta like I changed them and now it rides much better because
Around town this thing was stiff like it felt I I texted him after the first drive and I said to this have solid bushings
Because when you go over the the rumble strips between lanes near South Bay, it was like
And he goes no, no, it's just that the suspension's stiff. I mean, it was like I don't know Polly, D'Arom, or whatever
um
But
Steering is amazing. There's zero slop like manual steering
But you move that wheel one millimeter the car moves a little bit
it was
Very very exciting and I I came out of this a drive a drove it to good vibes and back
And I totally understand
Why people spend all the money on this shit because when it's done well
And the car is kind of restored. I mean it it has this primer and in brown paint job
But are you showing these photos you show different photos because it's pretty
It's a rowdy looking car yeah
But you know the engines got low miles on it the transmission. I think had 500 miles on it
So it was a very like fresh build and
It's just so exciting everything so precise the car talks to you really well shifting is fantastic in terms of
The feel of it like the action of the shifter is excellent. It's like a little heavier than
Like an S2000 or NSX, but not as heavy and chunky as Corvette. It's somewhere in the middle
So it has got to have some
Shifter in it. I guess it I must have like a wevo shifter or something in it because
915 gear boxes excellent call wevo shifter. Yeah internal gate shifter. I know my shifters
You know your boat was the my safari had the wevo shifter. Okay, but I had a G50 gear box
You a 915 gearbox and people are not going to like this without a wevo shifter
is
unusably bad
that is
A shit pile of a gearbox. It's junk, but with the wevo shifter
It because especially if you've like rebuilt it and made sure it's like good
Then it's good. Then it's fine
It's not a G50 there's a reason G50 cars are fucking expensive because they actually have good shifters
How much is a wevo shifter to put on a 915?
I mean hundreds of dollars. It's a it's a short throw shifter like it's not it's worth it
Oh, it's not like thousands of dollars to do it. Yeah, you have to do it. Yeah, you have to do it
Just think felt awesome. Yeah, you have to do it 915 gear boxes third gear is like in fucking Kansas somewhere
You know third gear is like fucking getting onto the green and two in a par five
Like you got to you have to be good to find third gear in one of these cars
This I mean this took a little getting used to like the narrower narrower gates
But once I had it down then it was just yeah much much better the wevo make this felt better than any
Stock fresh BMW shifter like that's it's low wall perspective
Well, they keep trying but
You know on the way up there it was cold and this car basically has slicks on it
And I was like a little tentative and being careful and then that coming down
I just figured it out found the rhythm just drove it harder and man like
It made me I understand why people spend the money, but I also think
This should be the goal of if you're bored with new cars
Yeah, try to make any old car feel like this like just focus on those inputs
And get as close as you can and like this is what even if you you don't have to make it this crazy
Like you could put a stock 993 engine in this, you know, and you could you could make it a little more
Civil than this. Yeah, and it would still be just as fun. It just wouldn't be quite so fast
Yeah, but the straight line speed is part of the equation, but it's not it's not 50% of the equation
I think it was the steering it was how good the brakes were
Shifting like all the things you talked to were so good. Yeah, they're nice
And then when you make them really light
Like if you drive like a real 73 RS or like it was fucking light
Yeah, like the todhill dude. It's yeah, that thing is crazy. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when you just like
When I just like move it around in here like you can't believe how little effort
It takes to get it to like move in your to like to steer to anything
It's like nothing takes any effort at all. It's wild. Wow. Yeah, it's really cool
This is cool. So how much would it cost to replicate this car?
I have no idea. I bet you this car is $300,000
Why do that and this engine's got to be $60,000 bucks?
I believe you there 100% believe you're 60,000 bucks. Yeah, call fuck it
Where's your call Marco right now ask you might be listening life
Call him right now and ask him what it caught what it would cost you to have this exact car from from nothing
I have no car and I want this car. That's a good question. I bet you that's a 300,000
Because the people are listening if you looked at this car you would go oh someone has a project in their backyard
Yeah, it looks like rat roti
Hey, we're recording part show right now. We're discussing the 72 911 T
Yeah
How much would it cost for someone to get this car made like I show up to your shop. I have no car
And I say please make me a copy of brown and gray primord fast machine
Well, I'm not very good at this pricing situation. Marco, I guess 300
Yeah, between 250 and 300
Yeah, she's the price. Yeah
This should ain't cheap, bro. Mark. This ain't let me guess. This engine's about 60 Gs
more
It has you know real
993 RS intake manifold right right and all that stuff and like the heads are you know, they're billet heads from billet extreme
And you know, it's got a special crank in it and rods and all this other shit
So if you
If I wanted a car that was 80% of this
Could I get it for 150?
Uh
Yeah, it could get it for one eight one 80 to 200 yeah, all right. Yeah, all right
Okay, yeah, it really depends on how good the car is that you start with because this car didn't need a lot of like
Restoration. It was very rust-free. I mean the car looks like a roach
But that's because it was laying but the structure the bones are really good
And it didn't need like crash repair and rust repair and all that should it need to senders and then the mechanicals
You know, I mean yeah, okay, well you okay. All right. All right. Thank you very much. All right. Thanks, buddy
Uh, so yeah, I mean like I said this is not a cheap hobby
Well, that's yeah, I mean as I was coming down the hill
And I was imagining it cost 150 and I was like I was like I you know
I'm not gonna spend that problem. That's the problem with this once you had was the greatest
$150,000 driving experience possible
But it actually costs 300 right that's the Porsche can under the Porsche problem. Yeah, yeah
Because I came down going
I know this will be more expensive than I'm willing to pay for this
But if I can get you know do the fast-back Mustang thing with Sarah
My objective is to have steering as close to that and shifting steering that's good shifting that's good
Brakes that are good and then old car sounds you know, that's yeah, that's just what
What we want the hardest thing about doing that with a Mustang is gonna be to have really good steering. Yeah, I mean
It's doable, but it's hard. You will be hard. It's much easier to do with Porsche
Is Porsche's old steering and it's just rack and pinion to begin with? Yeah
Yeah, and there's no fucking weight up there. Yeah, so you could have a manual steering rack that feels good
Right you that's not possible. I drove that
Parnelli Jones trans Amcar had manual steering. It was garbage. It's actually a low speed
It was awful. Yeah, it was awful. I was exhausted in 10 minutes. Yeah, that's very very true
And this had big huge front. I mean, this is huge tires front and rear
But with no weight up there. It makes no difference. Yeah, it wasn't it really wasn't bad to move around in park
Well, that's a problem. That's annoying. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Yeah
Porsches are so expensive. That's crazy now with this car. I should have asked him, but
15 years ago
Yeah, this car have cost that much to build the building and cheaper building
Correct the car itself would have been much cheaper and so you know, you could have done it from there
and I mean, there's probably like
You know, there's ways to approximate this kind of stuff like you can you can do
You know, you could buy a car that's already got a hot rod and engine and tweak it right? I mean it would have to be a decent car
You know, you know, you could get a 911 SC for 50,000 bucks and maybe someone has done a
3.4 crank or a 3.8 swap and the purists don't want it
But you know, you get lucky and you get it for 75,000 bucks and and Marco can put fucking
15 and 20 or unfucking and and now you've got a hot car for nine we're still talking about 90,000 fucking dollars
You know, this is just it's a really expensive hobby
And when you start building air-cooled engines, oh my god
Oh my god, I mean, I
You know my my safari car
You know, Marco rebuilt it and we we did some stuff and it
And it needed the maintenance part of it that it needed was like
17,000 dollars and then I for while you're in there, I could get another
25 horsepower out of the engine and that's four grand
Like what? Yeah, wow. Yeah, it is it's insane highly stressed small displacement and a engine power is expensive
It's just this is why LS's are great. Yeah because it's almost like
For every dollar you spend you get I don't know a 10th in horsepower or 50 cents in horsepower
It's crazy and sometimes I mean it a lot of times it makes more sense to just like swap in different engines
So if you were to find a 72
You know just find and you know find an engine from an 89 that someone took out right and put that in and it's
It's not a racing engine, but it'll be
70 more power than whatever was making. Yeah, geez, and then there's other like narrow body if you want that will change
How the handling yeah handling of but also sometimes people like the smaller displacement the 2.7s the 2.9s
Because they like rev up real fast and then rev I mean this is a racing engine
It has so fast but the bigger displacement
You know like Carrera engines like the 3.2 they have heavy flywheels
So you could put a light flywheel on it like my car my safari car had
But then it has that cold start thing right so you have to like feather the throttle because the flywheel keeps it when it's ice cold
idling smoothly. I mean whatever it's all a trade on whatever he did with this engine
This thing started immediately. It was easier to start than that slant nose. I drove
Started immediately it made way more torque below 4,000 than I expected
I did not downshift nearly like if you watch the video on my Instagram
I was running it from like 4 grand to 6 because I didn't need to run it to 9 even though you can
It was really remarkable and the light flywheel like I had to get used to how quick it revs to kind of catch it on
Yeah shifts
But it didn't really have any of those like user issues that you car had you do a lot more with a light flywheel
Air-cooled car you do a lot more like feathering the throttle in between gears sometimes to like keep the revs where they need to be
Yeah, yeah, man
That's so much money. I know it sucks, but like but the thing about that is is like
It's not an investment like you're not gonna make a profit, right? But if you have the capital to get in
Money you pay Marco to do work. You're not gonna get back
But if you could buy someone else's car
You buy a done one you buy a stock one
Because like stock air-cooled cars are fun too. They don't need to be race cars
But like you know you buy one of those and like if you get afford to get in
Then when you get out, you know, there's only going to be an incremental difference like it
It didn't cost you 200 grand it actually cost you 12 right
But you had to park 200 grand and yes, you could have made
You know investment income off it or blah blah blah blah blah but but right the opportunity cost is paid for by the enjoyment of the car
And your actual net out of pocket cost is not the actual purchase price of the car
Yeah, so you need to have enough capital to get in the game
But once you have that capital in your car game
You can then just circulate it and do this
You know, and that's there's your car account right right you do just roll that capital into the next car or whatever
And it's not you know, you're not minus 250
At the end of the day somewhere you you might even be up
But probably your minus a little bit. Yeah, you know, yeah, you can have you can have this this experience will essentially cost you
12 grand if you bought for 200 and sold for 188
Which I realized is a crazy number for most people but we're just speaking
Well, that math works at scale right if you buy a car for 8,000 and you you know, and you sell it in two years for six
You didn't spend eight you spent two, you know, you had to park eight to lose, you know, to mean to spend yeah
Like the math isn't terrible on that kind of stuff actually that's why like dollars per mile
Dollars per mile is that math applied to how much you actually drove the car. Yeah, totally
This makes me understand like why type bars, you know, older type bars or S2000 stuff like that
Deliver similar things great shift engines rev those engines work really well
And steering is pretty damn good, you know, a lot of those cars and though you know
The other thing with these these Porsches is once you get them
Built whatever sorted very few people actually do enough miles to justify like like a top-end rebuild is like the 100,000 mile service for an air-cooled engine
It once that's done. It's 100,000 more miles like this car will probably never do that many miles again
So once that shit's done, you know, you have a car that just needs oil changes for like 20 years
Well, the guy that owns this car
Should drive the hell out of it. I know he has a bunch of cars
And I don't think he's listening, but he should drive this car because it's fucking awesome
Well stuff like this where the odometer who even gives a shit what the odometer is there's nothing
It's a it's a body and then everything else is new so who cares? Yeah, the whole interior is new even though it looks very like vintage and
Of period interior photo in here. I don't really see
I forget with the inside of it
I wanted to drive this car too
But it showed up right at the beginning of that eight-day rainstorm
And and then I had to travel
Uh, I forget where I was going, but I was not in Los Angeles. Yeah, simple vintage
Uh, you know, not not fancy, but no, it's like just I don't know whatever kind of
Style of carpet and very simple stuff
I'm gonna say this out loud. I hate that four-spokes steering wheel. Oh, yeah, I hate it in all porches
Yeah, it looks so dumb. I don't like it. I like a three-spokes steering wheel very much. I just totally agree
I do not like afford. I don't even like it in the Todd Hill K's when that when that thing is made of carbon
No, and then later when they got airbags with the VHS tape. Oh, that's probably the way that I'm sick for wheel
Yeah, no, no gen 1 airbag wheel
PSA by the way at this point like normally I'm a
Keep your you know don't fuck with airbags, right?
Gen 1 airbags are more dangerous than they are worth at this point if you have a car because they're old
Yeah, they're old and they're fucking they're dating like they hurt people like if you have a if you have an impact
That's like high enough speed to deploy the airbag, but not enough high of speed where the crash itself would really hurt you
Like an otherwise very safe car like a 91 Lexus LS 400
Like you could get much more injured by the airbag than by the crash
Oh because the airbag design hasn't evolved. Yeah, of course. That was the beginning
Yeah, so I know it's just like it inflates and doesn't deflate when you hit it with your face
Like I think you should you probably should deactivate your gen 1 airbags if you have a car that has them
And maybe even changes to just say the last thing I would say about this is as cool as the titanium exhaust looks with the giant cans
It is loud. Yeah, like I was on the highway with with air pods with noise cancellation and I didn't have to like a little tonight
Is a little tonight is tickling. That's tough. Yeah, no, I'm deadening in the car. Yeah, I'd go with something quieter than that for sure
Yeah, so but it was sick. It was really fun great great education very happy to have that class. Yeah, air cold cars are fun
Yeah, they're they're a really good time, you know
um
What uh
Oh, I mean I we've I've hit all the all the points all six things I wanted to I wanted to talk about
Someone sent me the video
Spinning really gold crest spinning man. God. I love our fans. Thank you to our patrons who are doing science
For us in time for the program. You're all right. You watch it. Okay. I haven't watched it. Do I need to hit a bong first?
Sorry, you should hold up. You need a therapy bong. Oh wow. Okay
Shout out to this guy. Okay. Here we go
This is the what's gonna happen when you spin the gold crest
Hmm
I'm gonna go ahead. Well, that's not perfectly even. It's not hang on he sent two videos. Let's see the second video
The second video the same as the first
so
I'm gonna go with no
I'm I'm gonna say that in this experiment I'm not gonna call the myth busted
But I'm gonna say and you can watch this video as well
And thank you very much to our patrons for doing it. Shout out Jake shores then long time subscriber
In this video, it does not demonstrate that the original gold crest with the black and red stripes looks like a swastika when spinning
Now, I don't know if it's perfectly centered on the real either. That's why I think I think we might need to do further science
We have to we actually have to mount a camera on a wheel and do it
It's very close Jake, but I think it is it's not totally centered
It's probably just mounted on I don't know wherever you could go
But I really do think that there is and someone's probably just so mad because they really know the answer to this right now
Because they studied filmmaking or whatever
In the monochrome. It's just black and white
Here it's black and red, but then the gold is a third color true
So you don't it just won't produce the same
Effect when spinning and I keep using the word rotoscope is is it more like spyrograph spyrograph is where it draws using spirals
I remember I remember the toilet when I was a kid. Yeah, but I I don't think
It's an animation technique where you trace over live action footage framed by frame to create realistic fluid moments. Oh, that's just like
Oh, not wrote. What's the um
spyrograph no
No
What is it called the you know what I'm talking about where you spin something yeah, that's the horse and it's the horse thing
I don't know fuck
I don't have the words no one in the chat
Is anyone as anyone all-capsing this into the chats right now?
Carousel mo spinning carousel. I guess carousel is it
Carousel animation that I guess that's more what it is right
Because it looks like a carousel from the side
Yes, that is something like a carousel animation
But this is some guy doing it like yeah, I mean like old school right from the 1800s shit
Um, I don't know, but uh, I'm sorry people. I don't have the word, but you I hope you know the fuck
Yeah, someone else put it in the comments
So I don't know in that in that one. I'm gonna say potentially busted when it comes to the original logo
Well, I wonder did they add the red and gold later and they went oopsie daisy like here's how we fix this
Steven Miller is too young to have worked there. I know that for us for sure. We know which son of caps. He has
Which option box he chose yes, yeah
That conflicted man. We'll go to the people. That's a good time
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Shout out to him zootrope is correct. Yeah, I knew it was in there somewhere
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In the spirit of the recent news of Nissan releasing a bunch of nispo models including versions of the aria and rogue
What is the dumbest performance version of a car that actually made it into production
oh
The dumbest performance version of cars that make it into production. Oh, uh, I mean, I think like the
The like street trucks of the two thousands
Then we're like lower to come but like didn't really have anything extra like
Yeah, the Toyota one
Yeah, that the Toyota one there was like the s10 extreme like those like midsize lowered street trucks that
were just
Trucks that had body kits and shit those were those were no good. I didn't like those at all
Do you have a
Do you have a performance version of a car that's very stupid? I think I just got
I got bothered when Mercedes and Audi just started adding like AMG to things. Oh, yeah, just the you get the badge
You get some wheels maybe like they changed the suspension, but the engine didn't change. Yeah, caching in on the
That bothered me to no end. So that's what I would say that's
Yeah, the nismo aria. I would
Probably skip that. I mean, that's pretty bad. They're doing a manual nismo Z though. Yeah, I'm good
I'm extremely the name is for extremely excited for it. The automatic nismo Z was awesome
Except for I mean and the gear box wasn't even that bad. It just wasn't the manual
That car will be a delight. It might be expensive, but it'll be a delight
Excited for that
And also top top fucking username come only fans so good superb
Zach's clapped out jetta. Zach don't have no jetta. I did you do when did you have a jetta college? I had a 97 glx
Oh you did? I had black black jetta
The glx I
Not a track didn't come with a mic. No track. Just regular glx sunroof that broke
The car amazingly lasted
What three years drove it across from car is the high performance one, right?
It was the nice one. So it had like electric seats in the sunroof leather seats in Colorado terrible choice
There's a VR6. Yeah, which I put an intake on so it sounded awesome exactly
And I think I went like 130 in it once which took a while to get to yeah
Uh
If the car would never break down and only needed regular services what car would you love to daily or have as a weekend fun car
Uh
Well on the on the on a alpha alpha quad I would do that if I knew that nothing was ever gonna go wrong with it
Sure, I wouldn't rock that around for like a daily or
Um, because I think it's just stunning looking and it's basically an M3 but doesn't look like garbage or Ferrari like
I don't pick a pick a Ferrari that I like a five five fifty five fifty Ferrari. Yeah
I mean, and honestly like that's not
That's not even like would never break down like a Ferrari five fifty is in they call them they the um
Donnie used to call them the Ferrari Camaro
Um, because they not not to insult them just because they fucking work
Um
They're they're lovely cars. It's it's not even that. It's just like do I want to
I've never not bought a car
Because of its reputation for unreliability
That's never kept me that's never been like oh, I would buy that but
The but the service is too much. What about that's not true. No, it's not a three fifty five Ferrari three fifty five there
That's the answer. Yeah. Yeah. If you never had to worry about that. That's true. That's the answer by tomorrow. Yeah
Thank you for leading me to that answer. I hadn't thought about but the answer is Ferrari three fifty five
And we'll probably always be for three fifty five
um
Cadillac seahillistic
That's good
Thoughts on the idiot's grenadier game viewer you see this thing
Uh
Did not it's the it's so it's a grenadier for safari lodges
so now that the
Old defender is out of production
um, they're hoping that safari
Lodges will buy these grenadiers which have a stadium seating in the back
now I have to say
Despite their best efforts
When I went on safari in 2017 with Hanna we had a defender-based
safari vehicle and it was fucking nicer than this
The part the back part where people sat the customers
Was much nicer and more
Comfy and luxurious because it expanded outward
Beyond the boundaries of the car. Yeah. Here. They're still they're keeping all the seats kind of within the yes with of the standard vehicle
The body is basically the lower half of the body is just the grenadier pickup truck body the same one we drove
They've just like ripped out the inside and and put stadium seating. Yeah
Three rows of at plus the drive that oh yeah
It also doesn't have the bow rider chair doesn't have the bow rider chair
So that basically the chairs remain narrow it's like two seats across with a small, you know, there's a lot of bars on it
I also I wonder
You know the Land Cruiser or whatever is based on Land Rover would you say I'm sorry when you were on was a defender
2015 was a final year of the old defender all right
I was gonna say if it's the old one simpler to fix
This is obviously BMW power plant, but the 2015 defender. Yeah, no, that was a modern that was a modern vehicle
Land Cruiser does these as well. I saw a couple other
The the lodge that we were at had defenders, but we saw it when we were out there like some Land Cruiser based ones from other lodges
Um, I mean, not terrible not terrible and I do love me a safari
Vehicle but maybe it's intentional maybe maybe the lodge people were like, you know
We don't want them to go wide anymore. It's a narrow body. It's a narrow body
Maybe we want this for fewer people and and whatever, but the ones that we had
um had a had a bench seat that that had like uh
like uh
It had armrests in it, but it was one big bench with these nice kind of comfy armrests
It was pretty luxurious. I mean these these seats look very nice. They do look really big buckets, but it's just two across
You could do four across it ours. So this one seats six people total
Yeah, that's a short wheelbase. There you go. That's a better shot
And then the long wheelbase seats eight people total. Yeah, I do like the bimini roof
Nice. Yeah, I don't know that makes sense. That's okay. It does. It's that is a logical extension and I bet they will sell those
I can't I wonder if someone has turned one can you see if just google if someone has turned a grenadier into a quail rig
because I am
I am sexually aroused by quail rigs honestly
Quail rig is there a grenadot
You're you're not going to typing under pressure. I'm not
Screened it has lag so oh that oh look the second picture has the bow rider chair on it
Bowrider chair is fire. Well, this is this is a fire rig story also
It's the same truck, but I but we didn't see the bow rider chair, but I think the quail rig the bow riders were like
They looked larger and more like well for like sitting shoot
You know you don't shoot off the rig. That's a big no-no. Yeah
The rig is from getting from one field to the other and for holding the dogs and holding your guns and holding your fun liquor and
Whatever, but the sickest bow rider that I was on had like cigarette boat chairs on the front
With a cooler and like it was crazy
Yeah, yeah
No, if you shoot off the rig, you're you're a dig bag. That's like a big it's like a no-no is just as to shoot off the rig
Well because when you get to a spot you have to like let the dogs out and flush all the things
And why would you be shooting at off the rig? Yeah, you're you're just you're just not supposed to
Yeah, I mean you could like you shouldn't even really be holding your gun while you're on the rig the guns go in the gun compartment
And you're just like yeah makes sense chilling. Yeah, if you drop it drop it drive over it. Yeah. Yeah
Okay fancy drive like that more than I'm going shooting in January. I'm very excited some birds
Okay
USDM says did my first lemons race it rode it land-alas weekend
Don't know why I didn't do it sooner. I agree
wants to take the next step to advance my driving skills
Would you suggest a racing school on or one-on-one coaching?
well
I
Mean you will not learn more at a driving school than you would with one-on-one coaching for the same amount of hours invested
Sure, right like even the best driving school isn't one-to-one. Yeah
Having said that if you don't have your own car and access to a racetrack
You know you those maybe other problems, you know the convenience of a racing school just having everything there
The only other reason I would say potentially is if you really do want to keep racing
Not just improving your skills
I would consider getting attending a competition licensing school, right? So like what coaching is great
But a coach can't issue you a license. Yeah, only a school can like the there's the skip barber Mustang school spring mountain does it?
Of course
A bunch of schools do it. Yeah, a bunch of schools. Two three eight programs. Yeah, and you come out of it with a competition license
So that way if you want to go race a champ race and you all race at the other series
You just give them your license and you're just and they don't have to be like well, what races have you done?
It's not all one or all the other
um, and I have a couple of coaches that I've used shout out to Kevin Madsen who's awesome
saw him in Texas last weekend with work two weeks ago
and
Other folks are very talented coaches, but like I think if you know if you can afford it one-on-one is always better
And if you can find someone that has a car
And I'm sure there are coaches out there that have cars. They just charge you more for that
But
Otherwise, like you said you should bring your own car and if you don't have one
You know doing doing a school like I don't
Spring mountain school was great and they didn't give me no discount on my rate like I paid MSRP for that thing
But I had a ton of seat time. I couldn't really want it more seat time
The data overlay stuff was really helpful. They I jumped into level two school
So they weren't saying like here's where you here's what apexes are
Here's how trail-breaking works. They has just assumed you know those things
So if you jumped into a level one school it might be a little bit different
But um just finding one that has like good reviews and lots of drive time. I think you'll get a lot out of it. Yeah
um
Rage against the Machee
Could Porsche ever build a modern special edition air-cooled 911 and would it be a hit or a miss?
Well, first off if they could it would be a hit. Yeah, for sure
Very very difficult to build an air-cooled 911 that will make the kind of power people want and also meet
Global emissions violations. Yes
Supposedly this air-cooled roof
Will meet California emissions
having said that
Roof themselves and and people who have driven it said it's not like quite ready for prime time still needs a little more development
Um, not a point against just like, you know, they're trying something very hard
um
Isn't the singer turbo engine
homologated for emissions as well
50 say legal. Yeah, I think it is. I'm pretty sure the singer turbo engine
It is fit. I think it is
um
Having said that is it yeah, it is but
Because a singer turbo is still a Porsche 964
It's not the same kind of rules as if they were building a brand new car from scratch today and they were a manufacturer like that
so like
That's probably one of the things that drives Porsche insane is that companies like singer
And like roof
Can make a car with an air-cooled engine and sell it and they themselves cannot yeah
That probably drives them nuts
Be much harder for Porsche themselves to do this than for singer or roof and it's already very hard for singer and roof
And plus I'd be I mean, I guess they can make the price what they want because you have to now
You have to redevelop or bring back to life an engine that's designed to not be water cooled
You know because they've been doing that for 25 years right so now they go okay
We've and they know how to do it
But they'd have to make those blocks from whoever and then make like the cooling channels and all these other things
um
And then what I don't know would it work with the current body style like I don't know how much and if it's air-cooled in Na versus turbo like
Now they're going to try to make air-cooled horsepower that's strong enough to propel a new modern 992.2
Unibody which is heavier than the old ones. Yeah, would it be you know good?
I think that's the advantage that people like
Singer or toddler them have is they go what size car do I want and they pick one from the lineup and they go what kind of engine do
I want and they pick one over here right and they just get to Lego the thing together and make it the best they can
Whereas in OEM if they had if they had to adhere to current constraints of safety emissions etc
They are stuck and breaks totally totally
um
What is next oh sorry
Uh
Duffel shuffle retirement club what mods are left for zax m3
Uh, I got a shifter kit to go in and some sort of break up grade, but not really like mods. I don't
I don't really need to modify like it's like Porsche horsepower is too expensive in these cars
So I'm not gonna try to get more power out of it
It has all the suspension in the world. I don't need to do that like I'm gonna put some all seasons on it soon and drive it
Yeah, it's cool
her day symbol
I need a new comfortable dedicated work car in the phoenix area to drive between restaurants
I averaged 30,000 miles a year for this task
I was looking at a new ES350 ultra luxury any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated
I mean, that's a great choice. That's a great choice
That's a great choice for phoenix the roads are smooth. Um get a car. Yeah, Genesis G90
Genesis G90 is a pretty rad cruiser
Uh, keep your warranty. Huh keep your warranty. They have like done Genesis of a 10-year warranty. They do just make sure it's
Yeah, you want it. I mean that's 30,000 miles a year. You want to be real comfy. Accurus
Great seats amazing seats. Yeah, I think the Genesis has the nicest looking interior of those three
The Lexus is just the most robust you get like an ES hybrid. Yeah, you're covering a lot of miles
Get something that gets really good miles or mileage. That would be awesome
That's so much driving in one car
Yeah, almost three times national average. Yeah, that's a lot. Damn. Yeah
I know how it is though. If you've got restaurants you got to go to all of them like every day
You're just lapping or lapping depending on how nice these restaurants are you go tight on GTS with the super suspension
Yeah, is one of the restaurants near a charger. Yeah
Uh h-town till a drown
Oh
Fuck Mary killed the cars. I vote. I got to do people to fuck Mary kill people's personal garages
That's okay. That's all right
1993
FDRX7
2003 Mercedes SL 500 kill 2006
99716 speed with a four liter. Yeah, Mary that one. Mary that one
All right, all right, seven and kill. Yes, that was pretty easy
um
Okay, listen and sometimes watch my garage has a short steep ramp
Four feet long and one foot tall. That's pretty that's pretty extreme 25% great. Wow
What sports cars have the best and worst clearance?
If for context my one inch lowered ND meada doesn't scrape well that has a short wheelbase
Yeah, so that really helps you out and maybe the short overhang like 80s and 9 11s and 90s 9 11s are great at this task
Because the breakover is also important to think about right length of wheelbase. Yeah
80s 90s for our ease are horrible at this they have huge front overhags testarosis
horrible front overhags my kuntosh surprisingly good clearance
Tall front tall. He's probably long overhang the engine being way up there. Yes, but but like good
Oh like art would like like a RS4 or something. Oh, yeah, yeah
uh
C7 Corvette's
horrible no go horrible no go they scrape on everything
Um
Mustangs are no go like the GTD or the dark horse we had yeah, the splitter I could barely get out of my driveway
But a regular GT is fine that might be okay. Yeah
Interesting car
Okay, hang on
Rage against the Mach E with robo taxis and self-driving tech advancing despite EV sales trends and car maker
Retrenchment from EVs will autonomous vehicles hit the mainstream before full electrification does um
Yes, because
They're not linked. I mean you could have an autonomous car that is not electric
You you absolutely do not need electrification for autonomy
Um, you would need to have I mean all of those systems that are running need power
So you probably would need a hybrid but like you don't you don't need um
There's absolutely a world that will probably be living in where you can buy a level three or level four autonomous vehicle
But you are not forced to buy an electric vehicle
Probably I guess maybe the question is would like a 48 volt system does that put out enough power for the computing needed
For like you know, I think the Waymo system probably needs way more power than
Teslas shit sure
I just use shit as just for
brevity not because it's actually shit although it might be um because that's just like cameras
It's just less computing power
That's that will be the question is how much data load does each system require?
What's so crazy as I saw a story this morning about
Tesla has enabled this mad max mode on fsd which makes it break laws basically
Though it'll do california rolls. It'll do like 85 miles an hour fsd
Why don't you just call it like the Elon Doge mode?
I mean it literally and and so this article you know people like at need or my or fill
Coopman and all these people that we know are quoted
um
And essentially what what some people are saying is that this is hilarious
is that
people
Don't like like a Waymo representative said that people don't like how caution
uh excuse how cautious
Waymos are
So they've they've made them be a little more aggressive and more assertive and it turns out that people
Even though this whole shit was about safety safety safety safety safety
It turns out that when people are in Waymos
Doesn't it's not about safety anymore. They want them to drive like
An aggressive human driver that won't crash well because people want to optimize their time
So if they if I think people interpret cautious driving as weak slow and they're going
I could have done this faster. Yeah. A lift could get me there quicker. Yeah. Why are you wasting my time?
Let's go. Yeah, you know, it takes like a minute extra. Yeah. No, they're actual sense of math is terrible. Yeah
And the predictive math is good meaning it says I'll get you there in 32 minutes and that's how long it takes um
but like
it it
It becomes about like
You a human is imperfect, you know, and we we will accept
That a human will go five miles an hour above or a human will cross
uh crosswalk before the light turns uh when there's no one there because a human could
reasonably interpret this in a way that
You shouldn't be programming systems to act like that. Mm-hmm. You know like that's not great
And like that people want these computers to drive more like them is very funny because it's against to me and my interpretation
The whole thing about this is for safety. This is for safety. This is for safety
Which does mean being more more cautious and driving like you know
Yeah, but I think if if I'm sitting in a Waymo and you know it
The parking lot thing we've discussed right right they don't really go around other cars
Yeah, so me as a human because of my driving experience the social norms the automotive body language
We all know yeah, you go this car is taking too long
I can tell the people are still loading their shit in the trunk or they're not gonna be out like I can cautiously go around this car
Yeah, and it's I still feel that it's safe now, but that's my definition of safe right with that be yours or your grandma's or
A 16-year-old who just got their license their definition of safe. So that's where it's interesting. It's like
We as a society are nudging
Waymo in a direction where we go
Well, we still want it to be safe and if it crashed
Oh my god the lawsuits and the upward would be huge
But we don't want it to be docile. Yeah, we don't want it to drive in a way that is slower than I would drive
So it's it's people are kind of asking for everyone thinks they're in a above average driver also
Yeah, they're like it's
I've been in a bunch of these things and I've been in a bunch of ubers and a bunch of fucking quote yellow caps in the last year
I would rather be in the back of a waymo most of the time that is driving conservatively
I was in a yellow cab coming back from Austin where the driver had
No sense of what moderate moderate throttle control is
It was no is this
Sir
Walk just cruising up fucking supolvita
Like they couldn't just go
And just maintain 40 to do 40
I'll bet you a hundred dollars that that person thinks
That by doing that when they're off throttle they're saving gas. Yeah, I'll bet you a milk like all the crazy have
Yeah, and and like you know a waymo may not go one mile an hour over the speed limit
But like it's smooth
Cab rise are oftentimes an adventure you're like wow look at this person going for it
Yeah, and sometimes you trust them and sometimes you don't yeah
And like I get that I totally get the jobs thing and I'm pro jobs and I don't want people
To lose jobs like or not not to lose jobs
I don't want people to lose their ability to keep a roof over their head and fucking feed their family
If that's universal basic income instead of a job like okay
But it's not like that's not happening
you see fucking asshole
said
In a quote
That people won't need should people shouldn't save money because like the great the great abundance is going to take care of everything
AI is go AI is gonna solve poverty and it's gonna solve everything
And so you just you don't need to save for retirement. I mean we look he's lied to us before but why would he do it now?
I was the guy was six hundred billion dollars says
You don't need to save for retirement. Yeah, so please spend it
The guy who literally solved poverty himself today
Says that you don't need to worry about it because
Will solve pop when I become a trillionaire will solve pop. Yeah, then he'll do the nice things not
But he hasn't done it yet because it's not original to go back really quick
I think what we like about the Waymos is it they all have a driving standard
Yeah, and when you're in a cab or in a lift or whatever
There's no you get a driver's license, but you don't go to show first school
Yeah, and learn how to drive in a way that has moderate throttle and all the other things
That person passed their license tests somehow
Whatever they hit the bear minimum
So I think that's what it is
It's like we're all trying to agree on what the chauffeur standard should be for Waymos
And we just wish to lift and other people drove more like that
Yeah, I I mean Waymos do drive very conservatively and and they
They're there where their limitations are
Very interesting. They can't communicate with a person outside of the car
You can't they can't communicate with other cars right if they get confused
There's no way to tell one go over there, you know
There's no way to do that from inside the car either
They could drop you off and stop and there's a huge fucking puddle right there
And you can't go can you pull up two feet so I'm not in the puddle like those are pretty limiting
But like how they actually navigate the world
We're right between like right across the street from our studio is the fucking tub
Every morning like 400 Waymos pull out of there and drive up and they pat they write in this corridor between my house and your house and here
Right do these things drive so predictably
They drive so nicely and predict when they're actually just driving
It's so nice and predictable. I don't want these fucking things to start getting all aggressive
I don't I think they'll move it up, you know, 4% but yeah, they're gonna be very very cautious as they have been the company has been very cautious
This whole development. Yeah versus Tesla. So I don't think we have to worry too much bad max mode. Fuck out of here dude
um
Let's see
Uh
Keel and tow any chance we'll have a go in the SCG 004
Eventually the first customer cars. I mean, it's they've been in development for many many years now
Wow, I thought the first customer car was that gold car me too with the cheetah shit in it from
How many years ago was that I mean wow? I really thought these had been sold a long time ago. Yeah, okay. I don't really really know
Uh
Adil says Mercedes EQS models have depreciated into the 30k range
At that price point do some of the flaws start to become easier to live with
I mean
Jumping out if you jump out of your ionic 5 into an EQS
I wouldn't do that. I would keep the ionic 5. I know your lease is rang out, but like
I hated the giant giant screen. I hated to break pedal the most the break pedal the way it was
Away from your foot when you didn't know it was gonna do that. Yeah, it was like adjusting its speed and stuff
No, it was using regen regen. Yeah terrible terrible. It's not good. No
The EQE was better than the EQS by like a pretty decent margin, but it still wasn't great
30k is cheap
I'd probably pass I would pass I'd probably pass
Yeah, it's not the EV experience. I want right. I really didn't I didn't like you know
And then when I when I see them around I don't think they're good looking cars. Yeah, so they don't look like a Mercedes to me
At all take that badge off and then think about what you're
blob
So it's not a driving experience or an ownership experience. I'm interested in I agree. Yeah, so at all
No, oh no, well, okay
See
Uh
Chappy says I keep looking at F pace and Valar V8s a few years old
But if I get one under 50,000 miles in my committing financial suicide
I don't think that likes his Valar very much. I thought the Valar V8 was pretty cool actually good in car
Yeah, F paces here's what I'd worry about my mom's Jaguar of that same era
The interior has gotten very sticky
The Val that rubberized coating they put on everything got crazy sticky the Ferrari and she's looking at a few thousand dollars to fix it
You should take the whole interior apart
Yeah, so like that's I would worry about that with F paces because they use the same exact materials
His Valar his Valar hasn't been too bad. I think they've they've done basic maintenance
Yeah, you gotta do some breaks at some point like
And they got you know just get the rotors off the internet or whatever hasn't been that bad and they've owned it for
Three years, I think
So I don't think that's suicide
But yeah, I mean extended warranty though. If you can get extended warranty, I would really be that's where I'd be with that for sure
You know that's that's tough
Oh my god so many words
Okay
Okay lotus
reopa
Great. I guess that's because I like Europe. Oh like Europe. Oh great great
Okay, great
Recommendations for good manual transmission cars under 30k. I don't value wild speed, but I love a good engine
Between previous gen M2's 86's
530i sport with a manual no
Uh, anything else that would be good to consider to really learn to drive manual live in Texas live in Texas coming from west north carolina mountains
S2000s
great sure
I mean under 30k you get a lot of Mustang GT you might be able to get Laguna Sake edition boss 302
I mean you can get Corvettes you can get Corvettes that have LS3s in them for that kind of money
um, I mean uh
A news new the 86 is okay, but not a great engine. It's not Texas average engine. Not a great Texas car
Do see on the highway. Yeah, exactly you do long you do long miles there. Yeah, that's what I've done
I'd rather have a to a previous gen M2 for sure that's a great choice
Um, and that is a fast car. Yeah, I mean you mean if you don't want fast you can find did they make it another two 28 and two 30s
We're never manual, right? They're all audios. I think they're audos. No
230 i manual
230 i manual might be nice for Texas actually. That could be fine. That was the light one. We drove it was a manual. Yeah, the white one
Okay, all right. Yeah, that's a very nice car. That's a cool car. They're not sought after so you can use one
You can get it from like very low money. Um, it'd be cool. GTI with a tune
You know, oh, well, I don't know if it's under 30, but first gen RS first gen Audi TTRS
You could get as a manual with the five cylinder. That's a good cruise
2013
15 or something that's a 13
um
I mean look I
Super is under 30. No, probably not super is super manual
Probably not you didn't probably not know
Z-Force
Z-Force are all right, you know as are like as our you know turbocharged, you know, you're three 35 eyes and you can definitely get a
370 Z for that money 370 Z probably the nicest one in the world. Yeah, yeah
Maybe you could you mean you might be able to get a new gen one for that
I mean maybe
Um LL Cartier
Of the SoCal car podcast guys who drives most recklessly on the street and who's the most grand motherly
Almost recklessly
Spike doesn't drive fast
Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how anybody out with anybody that drives recklessly. Yeah
And I also don't
I mean, there's probably other car podcasts out there. I don't listen to and maybe someone there sends it
But I don't know all of our friends are relatively responsible. I think yeah, I don't
Zuckerman when I went for a ride with him in a car
He beat the shit out of this car from ice cold in a way. I would not have personally done
But like all right your car
um like that I mean Zach Merton's he doesn't have a podcast. He's on podcast
But you know most of his videos are like here's how my Tahoe does burn out on the in the industrial district near my shop
Is that reckless versus driving the canyons? I don't know
But it's it no easier and smokeier
Most of our friends are like in their 40s. Yeah, like we even if we were dick bags when we were younger
Most of our friends are not driving like that on the street today. It's true
I'm sorry to disappoint you. I wish I could
There's probably a show out there called like the 11 10th or something
There's like automotive journalists like on press launches that I absolutely won't get into cars with
But I'm not going to like just fucking shit on them on the show. Right. That's not cool
um
Uh
Better forgotten SUV Jag F pace SVR or Maserati Lavante Trafeo SVR
The SVR is a very good vehicle that was sold at a very good price
It was like cheaper than the X3M
And had this amazing engine sound great. It rode better. It was heavier than the X3M
I remember that yeah, but that's that that's a fucking that's a nice car. Good seats
That's cool. I'd rather have that. Yeah. Yeah
All right last one
Unless it sucks
Matt's video taught us stick and now my son and I daily manuals. There we go
Any downsides to powder coating wheels my car came
Black with black wheels and I want to powder coat them to bronze. It seems more cost-effective than getting new wheels
It might make resale harder
um
Well
First thought
The word seems seems a lot more cost-effective than then um then that
Make sure your math is right on that
I last time I tried to get wheels changed colors
Especially if they're already painted. It was like a few hundred dollars of wheel. It wasn't nothing
so
It depends on the
What getting new wheels means you don't say what the car is
It's true you should do the math because
uh
Like if you have if you can't get the stock wheels in bronze from factory, which I'm betting you can't
So if you're thinking about you'd sell these stock wheels and then you have to
The math is buying an aftermarket set and selling the stock wheels and maybe getting some money back or
Powder coating the stock wheels and having those all done so that might be like 1200 bucks. Yeah to paint the whole thing
Yeah, man
I there isn't a downside to the wheel
If you have the wheel the paint stripped and have them powder coated like the wheels fine
And about resale if the job is done professionally and it's not like an ugly color
Like if you're talking about an enthusiast car that's black with bronze wheels
That's tasteful and if there's I don't think
I don't think it would make resale harder
I really don't and I don't love black black
I for me I'd rather buy a car that was black bronze than black black. I don't like black black at all anymore. So
There isn't a downside just check your math
I'm doing so real quick
On apex's website if you had if you had a 2022 m2
Getting bronze wheels in 18s from them is
1600 bucks. Okay
And that's
That's total. So that's for four wheels. Okay, so that might be that might do your math like that might be cheaper or really close
To the same price as getting you know new coating on and also when I when I bought wheels from them
They didn't have the wheel. I wanted in the color. I wanted and I said oh okay like I just quickly threw it out
I could just get them painted gold later and they're like who don't add a coating to a coating
Because like it might not stick that way. Yeah, so if you get your
Stock wheels painted again
If the coating isn't greater comes off and if yours that will hurt your resale value and it'll look like shit
Yeah, yeah, the the cost to have it done properly. It's not like no, I just do it like I'm in whatever
But yeah, we open with this
Really, it's really a hook isn't it? I mean
You know
Should have yeah and in conclusion we still can
Right before we started doing the show first off Gordon Murray was supposed to be with us today and
Unfortunately, I had to cancel last minute said he wasn't well
So hopefully he gets better soon and we get to talk to him soon
but
But so we're just doing radio anyway
Then right before we started
Sent us this video of a Porsche 996 wheel
With a black and white
Porsche crest in the center cap spinning and at a certain speed when it spins which is like looks like normal road speed to me
the crest
starts when spun
Really does resemble a
Swastika really does like a rotoscope like if you looked at a swastika in a rotoscope
You know those things to like the the the spinny old like
Nickelodeon type machines were a thing that spins and it looks like a whole
Just galloping where it's like light on light off light, you know what I mean? It's like
Somewhere between flip book and film it was I know
Shape of whatever turns into another shape because it's spinning. Yeah, certain revolutions. Right. Yeah, well
Turns out the Porsche logo
And we have a YouTube short from the best possible source which is apparently
A podcast called dope is usual where these guys just fucking it balling straight up
Which is my kind of podcast because this was not the video we saw this morning
We saw a different one, but then this is a better version of what we saw
Yeah, yeah, swastika spinning and the top result
You know, we just click on it and it is
I think in the world and it's
In these guys with like pretty incredible
um
Quality tubes in their hands. I mean it looks like extremely high quality glass
What I thought was funny is that all of them have a tube. Yeah, I wasn't like they're sharing personal ball each one has
Well, like I haven't really I haven't really been in a session like that, you know, in post-COVID where some jam session everyone's got their own instrument
It was never a b-y-o-b
You know bring your own bong was was what we did back in the day
But like not it's post-COVID I imagine we're not sharing glass as much as we were
So anyway, these guys have power tubes and I'll just just reacting stuff and this dude's reaction to
He's played it
This guy's incredibly fucking high reaction to seeing this while holding a bong in one hand and a lighter in the other
Oh
The accent on the word fuck so I shut the fuck up. It shut the fuck go you draw the f out shut the fuck
And and it's so yeah, this is the best
This is don't you don't know that what your logo looks like you got the one contrarian
I don't think they know that
And then I love their the clap back over 90 years
Yeah, the audience here what we're hearing on that is that does that audio have to go into our microphones
Well, yeah, so
The idea basically what we're saying is
When the logo certain I haven't seen it in gold yet in your standard gold
But in the both the example that our friend sent us
And this example it seems to be like a black and white version of the crest right that really makes
A swastika when spinning and wow
I don't know if they were doing black and white versions of the crest back then
I they might have just been all like the gold crest
Um, well, I think I think what makes it is like the bars, you know the black bars and the gold crest
I'm looking at it's black and red
I mean we we got to do a mounted shot
I think we just have to do a mounted shot on on my car. Oh, no, I have hrecaps. Um, we have to get you have to
The tycoon also he said caps
It's okay. We'll we'll find we'll find in 9-11 somewhere in this building full of 9-11's
We'll find one somewhere to get a mounted shot on
But we will have to test it with a gold
I see I think at least for me
Colorblind matte
Because red and black go go back to the other one where it's like black and white
When it's black and white that's a very stark contrast and that's going to produce a much different result than black and red which like
Maybe if you see color normally it will produce a real evil looking black and red swastika, but I I don't I don't think I'd be able to see it
but
When it's black and white you're making a rotoscope like that's what that's what black and white does well
So for people like if you're listening when it's spinning the white shape is like
I guess the swastika and the black is the negative space. Yes, and the black and the red crest
It's a pretty dark red is a dark shot. It's a pretty dark red blur together more and it's less distinctive
I don't know this is a really rare reason I don't know what it's like to see color normally
I look at this. Yeah, no, it's black and red okay, but but but I can see black and red but
To me
When you put sort of certain colors near each other
And they're not distinctly different or contrasty
It could get a little murky
You know like in small as particularly in very small scale like this like on watches and in within logos of stuff and a lot of times
That's why
Excuse me
I've had this lingering cough since like Texas. Yeah, and I've taken
Musonex twice a day every day
I'm almost through the whole pack actually and this morning is the first time I forgot to take it
And I'm really noticing the difference. I was like finishing this pack and being like
I don't know if this musonex is like working because I don't really fully feel better
But musonex in it's like ingestion
Expectorant and decongestion and like it's what my pharmacist told me to take
But like having not taken it this morning there is a huge difference actually I don't have to take something lunch
But point being without the big contrast
I don't think you get the same effect or I mean you will but it's way way more subtle
The fact that like black and white
No, like I'm just saying like maybe it's it could be possible that you don't get the same effect because
To get a rotoscope like effect
You really need that contrast of black and white
Uh, I'm looking up. I don't know how to find it quickly, but when the crest
I don't know if did they change it from black and white to black and red or
Always in black and red and it's just like a cost thing sometimes you get black and white
You know center caps and sometimes you get the other one. I don't think those are factory center caps. I think that's a
I think that might be
Yeah, or maybe you can order it
I'm I'm not sure but I don't see a lot of brand new cars with those with black and white center caps like that
I mean you can get and there's yeah, I could probably get those on fucking Amazon for $25 or something
No, no for sure. I was gonna see if
Like that looks like that wheel looks like that Carrera S wheel
Like a 991.2 Carrera S wheel that would have the machined front
The machined face and then the black
Uh, so this website
This is shop.porsha.com. Okay. Yeah, so you can get it from Porsche right yeah, all right
Because I also agree with you. I wanted to make sure this isn't just like an aftermarket thing
So monochrome Porsche crest gotcha
I mean look do they know real it from real the monochrome one looks like a swastika when it's spinning
Yeah, something tells me the gold one won't Porsche or at least not as much
Is this a Porsche dot com Porsche so this is Porsche dot com and they call these
A new website for those listening Porsche dot com calls these the Porsche classic
That's not helping the case
These are on a set of fuchs
It looks like a yeah like a late 16 early 70s black and white center cap with the whites around
I might be wrong here
Wait, go what is the description there available in the form of the new edition of hubcabs for the
60 farm to 73
Well, it's not going back to the 40s. That's for sure. Never forget they say
Wow
Okay, okay. Yep. Well
Really
Email the uh, Porsche Reptus we get a quote from somebody about that maybe wow
Yeah, that's crazy. That is that's certainly a thing
That's our show guys. I'm sorry
Gordon Murray's not here with us. I hope he is all right more recover quickly and we'll talk to him soon
Thank you for joining us today. Appreciate you for all of 2025 really and if you want a great NSX
It's on cars and bids right now. See you guys later. Bye
About this episode
A lively discussion kicks off with the hosts sharing their experiences with various cars, including Zack's first deep dive into air-cooled Porsches and a comparison of the new Taycan GTS to the older model. They touch on the Acura NSX auction, the quirks of the Vespa, and the unique driving characteristics of the Taycan GTS, emphasizing its advanced active ride technology. The episode also features a humorous debate about the visual similarities between the Porsche crest and a swastika when spinning, alongside a range of listener questions about car maintenance and preferences.
active ride
air suspension
Apple CarPlay
Cars and Bids
ceramic brakes
control arms
crank horsepower
facelift
infotainment system
kilowatt hours
Acura NSX
Audi RS4
BMW 1 Series
BMW 5 Series
BMW M2
BMW M3
BMW X3
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Tahoe
Dodge Viper
Ford Mustang
Genesis G90
Honda S2000
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Lamborghini Countach
Land Rover Defender
Lexus LS
Lucid Gravity
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
Mercedes-Benz EQE
Mercedes-Benz EQS
Mercedes-Benz SL
Nissan Rogue
Porsche 911
Porsche 914
Porsche Cayman
Porsche Taycan
Saturn Aura
Tata Motors Aria
Toyota Land Cruiser
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen Jetta
Original notes
Matt Farah reviews the new 2025 Porsche Taycan GTS and compares to his older Taycan; Zack Klapman has his first religious experience in a fast, angry air-cooled 911; the NSX is up for sale; and we find something very, very odd on a wheel.
- Patreon questions include:
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- M3 plans?
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Recorded December 19, 2025
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