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What's up, everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tiger Podcast. 815 AM on a Friday. We were going to have Gordon Murray in today, but he's unfortunately not feeling well.

Well, and so instead I'm going to give you my review of the Taikon GTS, which is totally the same thing

It's stick around to the end of the show for a surprise

Got a good surprise one of our

Patreon members is going to help with this test by the way with this what do you mean with this test?

Yes, wait to the listeners have to wait to the end to know what we're talking about. Oh, I'll tell you what okay

What does that mean they have a drill and they have the thing we're gonna talk about

At the end of the show and they can spin the thing on a drill to look at it science

So they're gonna do science like now like before the end of the show

I don't know can we get it can like I feel like if you're on the fucking livestream. They are listen

This is being recorded put it down and go put some airpods in get that drill. Yeah, I said do it

Send a clip to Zach at the smoking tire.com posted in the patreon. So yeah, we'll talk about Taikon GTS

Zach kind of fucking go in

Barkos a cool new air cooled 911, which is like a 1970 something with like a

3 motor in it. Yeah, which is a nasty little thing

I got into the ice race with the manks. So there's a we're going. We're going to the ice race got it now. It means I have to

Sell a car to buy tires

You got to make or get a spike tires shout out to right esteem also they dropped off the new Vespa 310 in my driveway

I have it for like a month

This is the one with the engines like 5cc's bigger than yours. It's more than that

It turns out that my 300 is really a 278 and this 310 is actually a 310

So it's it's actually like 30cc's bigger, which is you know 10%

Makes like 5 more horsepower. I wrote it once already

There's going to be expensive press loan. Oh, I'm going to sell this car

I'm going to be flush with cash and after riding this for a month

I wrote this one once and I go I don't know if I want to go back to the 300

This one after one ride the throttle response is incredible and

The the fucking shocks they've put on this this thing has like

It's like mine feels like a like a rent a rental car or a scooter and this feels like a motorcycle

Wow, yeah, this has really good suspension on it. All right, so you're gonna get a new Vespa

I mean maybe I'm gonna put an offer in on a used demo if when they want to sell the the press once

That's the move so buy an X press bike if you can nice

Are you gonna sell your old Vespa to your current trainer the way you did with the last one?

He is last scooter

The cycle of scooters. No, you did with it. Yeah, both of them. Yeah, I sold my last two scooters to to trainers

Yeah, I don't think my trainer wants this one different trainer. I got it

Dude Sean riding a Vespa would be hilarious ladies would love him. That's true. Yeah

But yeah, the NSX is up. It's on cars and bids now

We did an 11-day auction

So that it wouldn't end on like Christmas now is that longer or shorter than longer? Okay longer than normal normally there's seven days

Okay, so I think it ends on the 29th

It does ends on the 29th. So photos by Tadius and

Yeah, I'm stoked right it's ready to see a new home cool

There's there's so many photos. Please the underside photos you have never seen

I mean this is talk about this is like this car like

Presents as new basically

There's like one little Nick on on the on the leather on the passenger side and like but the underside of this car

Geez it's it's I have no evidence the car has ever seen rain your control arms

Yeah, are like as clean as silverware. Yeah, it has certainly. It's not seen rain since 2017 at least

It's been it hasn't seen rain in the least eight years. This is crazy. Yeah

So if you want to know what it's like to have a brand new car. This is what that's like like

Shiny yeah everything is stock suspension components from 25 you this car's never been dry ice blasted

If it had there would absolutely be a document of it in this crazy fucking binder I have that was

Obsessive by the

So this is what cars look like when they're cleaning new this is yeah, this is a this is a 20-year-old car with

20,000 miles on it. That's bananas. Yeah, wow

so good car

Brand-new tires fly in drive-at-home

Don't don't need doesn't need nothing everything works turn key longer than drive the better that thing is such a heavy car

Yeah, I drove it to Vegas. I drove it to I drove it to Palm Springs

I drove it to Santa Barbara San Diego. It's a lovely touring car. Yeah, buy it good

Buy it at auction on cars and bids take it home

So you're gonna roll all the money from this into the vestibule. Yes

I'm gonna buy I'm gonna put diamonds. There's that there was there was a crazy designer

Vespa that is like a hundred thousand dollars plus and it is very silly. I forget what designer it was

but

I'm sure you it looks like it looks a little different than a regular Vespa, but not a hundred thousand dollars different

Chris John Dior did a collab in 2021 and

Oh, it's Canadian money. Those are 36,000. Is it like

Is it look weird or does it look like a just different color schemes?

The GTS super 300 was sold for $76,000. I

Can't find a weird one yet. There was one there was one that was literally like at the Pagani showroom in LA when I went to go do the

Utopia

Review and it it was like it was like a coach built kind of Vespa

But it was like over a hundred thousand dollars. It was crazy. Wow

There's a vintage one for 200 grand. It's like the original Vespa sure. Yeah, there's a sign fells got a few of those he really likes old scooters

Should we talk about Taik on GTS? Yes, okay

There is if you scroll down. There's a couple. It's they're not great. That the great. It's right there

I'm sorry to say that's but you know what a Taik on GTS looks like

and

It's it's that's a bet it's actually I chose poorly right there because it does have a new front fascia

And I don't know if the yeah, you can see it there. So it has a different headlight shape. The headlights are more

I what's it's like a it's it's got like a clear cover that shaped more us into the front of the nose

Oh, okay, like so you know my 2022 there has the sort of scalloped. Yeah, that around yeah, the recess bit

So I think the new front end is more dynamic and that's across the the whole range there

That's that's really the only way to identify the new one from the outside

When this thing first rolled up

I was like all right how you know right away how much different is it from mine if you open the door and sit in it and get in it

The answer is zero

When sitting the seats the steering wheel the buttons the dead the the the the software is updated

But like everything else is the same

If you don't

If you don't have the new one parked next to the old one

It's mostly mostly the same from the styling standpoint

I mean, it's clearly still a tie-con. It's a facelift. I haven't alike how the new one looks, but it's not a radical change

and and

And generally the experience of being in it using it in whatever is the same and so that's not a bad thing because

Ticons are great, but I bought mine used for you know 64,500 dollars

plus tax and and

the new one as

Tested was a hundred and ninety six thousand dollars. Okay, so like that's a crazy thing to think about in terms of value that I can get

80%

90%

of

This current one for my car at least when it's used just as a sort of

Daily driver type of car right running errands commuting

Highway driving city driving stuff like that

Dynamically, that's where all the other money goes. Okay, because the GTS has active ride

It has performance battery plus it has rear steer which mine doesn't have it has power steering plus it has sport chrono

that I say ceramic brakes already it has ceramic brakes

so like all the stuff that makes it drive is

much much better

and having lived with act with an active ride Ticon for a week

Mine getting back to it feels kind of shitty. Like there. It's like it's air suspension

so it's like floaty and whatever and

Might if I get another Ticon is absolutely having active ride like it's just it matches that platform of and the vibe of like

gliding like so well

It also just mutes so many of the weird roads around here especially like just around this office. There's a lot of like

Heaves and you know the land keeps settling because of Howard Hughes or whatever

So there's a lot of weird ups and downs and whoops and cracks and like it really muted that stuff

Yeah, like there's you know a lot of the reason that people who live in cities by SUVs are you know

It's like rent and justified our crumbling infrastructure

It feels like off-roading like you know, I might as well be an appropriate vehicle for it

And and active ride is a great justification for not needing an SUV

It is a fucking sports car that rides like that

It feels like an advancement similar to what Magride felt like remember when Magride when that came out was this

Holy crap have your cake. You need a two thing. Yeah, and you just go. Wow

It can get so soft and smart and then as they updated it the like it all got smoother because the reaction time of the

Sensors and the motors and everything got so good

This is a big step forward. Yeah, um active ride is not

Substantially better than air suspension when it comes to like hard-edged potholes

It is better, but that's where it's really better is in like what unexpected whoops

like an unexpected whoop in a road or like a

Speed bump that's still kind of smooth. That shit disappears. That's not there at all

Like if you hit a hard edge, you know

You still feel that especially because this thing has you know 21s on it if you paired active ride with a little more side wall

That would be better

So my car on air suspension this car in active ride hit hard edges

Similarly, but the the whoops the the the active ride is unreal

I mean, it's it's a complete game changer and the body control because air suspension

Has cushy ride or decent body control. Yeah, but you have to choose one or the other active ride can do both at the same time

Yes, which is yeah, that's that's like that's game over for a daily driver type of car that also needs to be sporty

Like that's just fucking next level. It's like the McLaren magic. Yeah, they can just do everything in every condition

It's incredible. Yeah, I also

It wasn't so much that the GTS had ceramic brakes that makes a difference because

I never

You know, I drove it up the mountain a little bit, but I didn't I didn't really do anything super super dynamic with it

That would justify a ceramic brake

But it had the performance battery plus has a much more aggressive

Not aggressive, but it was more powerful

AC charging system, which is what charges off the regen to so like it can do more regen brake when you hit the brakes

The brakes feel much better and more powerful even before you get to the caliper and I really like that and also

My car has like the base brakes. I don't need the ceramic brakes, but if I get another one

I'd probably spend for those white

Brakes the surface coated brakes. They're a little bigger. They're a little more powerful you get them with the S like

My brakes kind of suck

Well, like around town do they suck in terms of the radio which they slow you down like on the highway

The pedal is soft. Okay, the pedal soft. I and I really like the pedal on the the GTS

And in the in a panic stop situation, they're fine, but I'd like better

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Let's get back to it, you know, I don't like me is never going to say I don't want better breaks

Sure, do I want us I don't want to spend $10,000 for ceramic breaks

That's when you're not even using the caliper 85% of the time like that's stupid, but you know if you need it

Yeah, when a lot of the sports cars we drive and we drive a lot of sports cars

They've either it whether it's through

Components or through just the way they've adjusted like breaking fuel over the years

Like I feel like everything is grabbing earlier and earlier and pedal travel

So then when I get in a car like the car will talk about a little bit the air cooled one

You know stuff where the clamping force is deeper in the pedal even if it's really good even if it's like a 10 piston

Whatever you see your brain my brain still is like oh this feels like it's not hooking up the way it should

Yeah, just because everything now engages earlier. Yeah, I mean, I do like it a higher bite

But I don't need a crazy rotor caliper in a car like this when I have such a powerful

Regen system. I mean I forget in the zinger. I mean sure to run a fuck in 22

Laguna like you want incredible breaks

But to drive the canyon in that car

You're barely squeezing the caliper because that car has a fucking hugely powerful

Regent system and you don't even really

Need the calipers at all to fly a pecanian road in one of those cars

but

You know, it's it's it's it's a little unfair to go well

My used 30,000 there 26,000 mile car when I bought it versus this brand new much more expensive version of it

I mean the truth is like if you want a daily you shouldn't get a really fast EV you that's that's kind of a waste

Like the overall experience of driving around L.A. in my car and driving around in this car are

10% different 15% different. Yeah, the ride is a little better. Oh, okay, you know what I mean?

It goes a little faster. Okay, break stop. Okay, but like they're the same cars

Well, I mean it tends to be true from you for plenty of ice cars performance cars

Yeah, the changes are usually small and unless you drive one that's you know back to back five years apart unless there's been a

Massive change like oh this car had coils and now this one has mag ride

Yeah, they didn't offer it in 22 now it's in 25, but let's there's something like that

It's always like oh it's a little more power

Oh, they're sure they took this thing from the upper tier and they brought it down to the meat the middle tier shit like that

Yeah, I mean, I'll say it again the active ride is the real

game changer and

If I was gonna get another tycon after this one like I know regrets about this car this car

This white car is awesome. I mean for the amount of money I paid for this thing

It's fucking on point. I'm all about it fully in but if I was gonna get another one in two years

active ride and

Performance battery plus I would not even because of the range, but because of the of the the performance of the battery charging speed

Yeah, you know the the charging speed the the regen performance like stuff and yeah, like a little more range would be fine

If I could do

San Diego and back at

The speed I want to go as opposed to doing it at 74 that would be great

You you want to go to the speed of traffic

Yeah, essentially yeah, if you try and do San Diego and back at 74 miles an hour

You're in the right lane with the trucks pass by everybody which is silly. Yeah, can be done, but it's silly

I'm gonna do

At least the plan right now is to do the root scout for this Arizona desert event in a in a lucid gravity

GT which has support very long indicated range to go to 400 miles. So I'm kind of hoping which by the way, I got a check hang on

I have to double check the route that we're on for this

Pacific Northwest thing with these floods I think I don't know

I don't know but like a lot of roads have got fucked up. Yeah, if you would if you don't know

There's been some really serious flooding in Washington and also there's two of them on Tana

Yeah, Montana a bridge fell down. Yeah

The kind of upper and northwestern United States has gotten hammered by rain and I mean there's some towns like

Barnes are floating away. Yeah, yeah

Just last things I will say about the new tycon the certain things are are really improved from my car

The proximity sensors with the key

My car 5050 if you walk up with the key half the time it unlocks half the time you have to hit on lock

Yeah, we were down at HR the other day. Yeah, and oh, no, it does a different car

It went when was yours. Oh, it was the other car the other car. I also had the same problem. Yeah, so

So my car it's like half the time it'll do it half the time it won't not a deal breaker, but fine the new one 100% of the time

The screens infotainment a little bit faster in the new one

The the addition of it's not a it's an air quotes hard button because it is on the touch screen

But it's a it's docked on the touchscreen hard button for car play. That's a nice thing and honestly the hard button for car play

Eliminates the need for car play ultra entirely because all I want if the if the like if the native system

I get that car play is better than most native systems for

Playing multimedia and engaging with your phone

But sometimes native systems are like pretty good for like doing car functions and

Porsches is one of those there the menus are not typically very confusing the the touchscreen climate control vents

I still fucking hate yeah, but outside of that. I don't know how car play ultra would fix that. I don't think they could but

As long as you can go switch very easily between your car play, which is probably using your GPS function and

the

The native system which you can with this one hard button on the dock it replaces the button for phone

Because of course it does

I really wish I could get an update on my car that we get that that changes the game

My car doesn't have it. That seems like that could be possible. It totally does

I'm sure it's a good reason it doesn't but it totally does loading taskbar in other words

They have not improved the backup camera. It is bait. It's the same

But but yeah, I mean the car the cars evolving and is is getting better and

And it's fucking crazy expensive to get one of these things new

But but they're dope. I mean the front of technology for them, right?

Like it's always going to be expensive. Yeah, as this is I think

Barn this is the ultimate daily driver car. There's nothing better that you could spend

You're mourning an afternoon, especially like man if I lived where I grew up

I lived in granite. Yeah, and I commuted into Manhattan

Fuck me. There is no better commuter. You start with some windy grinched back roads

You hit the merit parkway fucking little bumpy but nice undulating now you get down to man

Manhattan you get over the over over the bridge on the FDR and the tarmac is just shit

And it's just the right over I mean nothing better. This this rides like I think the way people would imagine a Rolls-Royce

It's right. It's like it's that good

But then you hit the buttons and if you commuted from the valley, you know if you go over to Panga

Yeah, a lot of people here that you know people use back roads to get places because there's too much traffic on the main road

And this is the great solution for that. Yeah, it's it's really really good and and it has more you know more range

Just as a this is like a legitimate the GTS is like a legitimate

280 to 300 mile car if you're if you're chilling

Which my car isn't my car if you're chilling is like 220

Performance battery is a big difference. It is it's a physically a bigger battery. It's also a better battery

How many more kilowatt hours is loaded?

It's a question I should know and I don't know offhand, but I bet I bet the oligarchs

Thirsty machine will tell us

It is it's a it's double digit kilowatts though. It's 105. It's 105. I think mine's 83. So it's like it's significantly bigger

105 seems like a lot I think it's 105 because in 2022

Performance battery plus was 93 kilowatt. Yeah, so mine and mine is non so it's 80 mine was 83

Okay, and it would have been 93 and 20 and now it's 105. Wow. Yeah, yeah, according to dump and current

Right top here. Yeah, that's yeah, all right. It's a big-ass battery big difference. Wow a lot of juice

Yeah, I mean shits come a long way

These are so sick though. Oh, I would love to get one

Love to get one maybe one day and then let's go. Let's minus the clock 50 years. You drove a 1970

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And you're speaking of and you're like you're like not

So experienced with air-cooled cars. Oh, sorry. The battery. I think it's 97 kilowatts. Oh, okay. I saw nine. I wonder if one of five is the client the new client E-V maybe

Maybe I don't know. I thought I'm okay different forest things. Thanks AI giving us great answers

This is regular Google was okay. I just regular old Google. Okay

Yeah, I

So I've had like very little experience with old air-cooled air-cooled cars. I drove them a Kelo's

R-S-R replica thing like seven years ago. I think it may be 10 years ago and then I drove

their

Turbo charge like they're 9 9 30 turbo car, but

The R-S-R one was so long ago like I just didn't have a lot of experience driving porches at the time even new ones

And then the turbo thing

They just feel that there's tons of lag there's power in the straight line. It was on modern tires, but I think it was just not

It just wasn't representative of like

Why everyone's shopping for these air-cooled naturally aspirated

What it was singer hot rod wherever you want to call it. I don't really care

But since since I drove those cars the market has exploded the popularity is way up

And Marco at TLG who is obviously my you know old Porsche Sherpa was like drive this thing

And he literally said is like you don't you don't have a lot of experience driving these cool things that are made fast and

Like all shop owners

He's like and I want you to drive a good one, which is mine. Yeah, or his customers

So this and I've got the spec sheet, which is very long. I will not read the whole sheet if you want that you can go to my Instagram

It is a 72 9 11 T

But it has the big fender flares of an RSR their steel and then

The big story is the engine is a 3.8 liter 993 RS engine. Yeah, that makes 305 wheel horsepower

That's a ton. It is a ton. Yeah, it's a ton. The car this light

I mean, I think I think for most cars 400 crank is pretty great

You know, you don't really need more than that and if the car weighs under

3500 pounds like you're gonna have a really good time. Yeah, unless you're roll racing into 400 horsepower and

3000 pounds is the answer. That's the right answer. Yeah. Yeah, that's the good number

Yeah, that's a that's it came in GT4 is what that is basically

It feels balanced. Yeah, you can't really over drive it now. This car did have really good

It had a really good brakes their manual brakes, but what are they out of um

I forget the brakes. I mean they're probably just like 993 brakes or something 930 calipers rotors

It's got a diff so the interesting thing about this

So you mix and match Porsche factory parts. It's a really hot rod of thing

transmissions of five speed, but the first four gears have been shortened

Which is rad. Yeah, that's the move that is after driving this and

Like I was talking about this you know spiders with the shorter shark works gears or whatever like that is such the answer

If you can't just shorten the final drive

Shorning the final drive is not always the answer because you end up with a car

They could they could be great in the canyon, but suck on the highway. Right. That's the compromise

You can customize your gears. Oh my god. Do that. So the first four in this are short thing revs day

8500 RPM anyway, and then the fifth one is like total highway cruiser gear. It's rad

That was an interesting thing and then the other one is that it has no sway bars

It has these attractive adaptive shocks in it. Oh, yeah, have you used those before? Yeah

I've never I've never I don't think I've ever used them without sway bars

But I used to they've had them I've tried them in like vipers and corvettes and stuff

So the guy the guy that used to run. I think flying lizard racing

um

Recommends these attractive suspension, and so that's why Marco put them on this car

And he runs them without sway bars because they're they're so adaptive like they do the job of the sway bar

Wow

Weird, but I could not tell this car didn't have sway bars like it leaned in the corner, but not a ton

um, and then you have it had a little screen at underneath the dash where you could choose five different modes

Now when I drove it all the modes felt exactly the same

And I told Marco this when I brought the car back and he texted me like two hours later and he goes

Oh, yeah, the parameters were

Fakakta like I changed them and now it rides much better because

Around town this thing was stiff like it felt I I texted him after the first drive and I said to this have solid bushings

Because when you go over the the rumble strips between lanes near South Bay, it was like

And he goes no, no, it's just that the suspension's stiff. I mean, it was like I don't know Polly, D'Arom, or whatever

um

But

Steering is amazing. There's zero slop like manual steering

But you move that wheel one millimeter the car moves a little bit

it was

Very very exciting and I I came out of this a drive a drove it to good vibes and back

And I totally understand

Why people spend all the money on this shit because when it's done well

And the car is kind of restored. I mean it it has this primer and in brown paint job

But are you showing these photos you show different photos because it's pretty

It's a rowdy looking car yeah

But you know the engines got low miles on it the transmission. I think had 500 miles on it

So it was a very like fresh build and

It's just so exciting everything so precise the car talks to you really well shifting is fantastic in terms of

The feel of it like the action of the shifter is excellent. It's like a little heavier than

Like an S2000 or NSX, but not as heavy and chunky as Corvette. It's somewhere in the middle

So it has got to have some

Shifter in it. I guess it I must have like a wevo shifter or something in it because

915 gear boxes excellent call wevo shifter. Yeah internal gate shifter. I know my shifters

You know your boat was the my safari had the wevo shifter. Okay, but I had a G50 gear box

You a 915 gearbox and people are not going to like this without a wevo shifter

is

unusably bad

that is

A shit pile of a gearbox. It's junk, but with the wevo shifter

It because especially if you've like rebuilt it and made sure it's like good

Then it's good. Then it's fine

It's not a G50 there's a reason G50 cars are fucking expensive because they actually have good shifters

How much is a wevo shifter to put on a 915?

I mean hundreds of dollars. It's a it's a short throw shifter like it's not it's worth it

Oh, it's not like thousands of dollars to do it. Yeah, you have to do it. Yeah, you have to do it

Just think felt awesome. Yeah, you have to do it 915 gear boxes third gear is like in fucking Kansas somewhere

You know third gear is like fucking getting onto the green and two in a par five

Like you got to you have to be good to find third gear in one of these cars

This I mean this took a little getting used to like the narrower narrower gates

But once I had it down then it was just yeah much much better the wevo make this felt better than any

Stock fresh BMW shifter like that's it's low wall perspective

Well, they keep trying but

You know on the way up there it was cold and this car basically has slicks on it

And I was like a little tentative and being careful and then that coming down

I just figured it out found the rhythm just drove it harder and man like

It made me I understand why people spend the money, but I also think

This should be the goal of if you're bored with new cars

Yeah, try to make any old car feel like this like just focus on those inputs

And get as close as you can and like this is what even if you you don't have to make it this crazy

Like you could put a stock 993 engine in this, you know, and you could you could make it a little more

Civil than this. Yeah, and it would still be just as fun. It just wouldn't be quite so fast

Yeah, but the straight line speed is part of the equation, but it's not it's not 50% of the equation

I think it was the steering it was how good the brakes were

Shifting like all the things you talked to were so good. Yeah, they're nice

And then when you make them really light

Like if you drive like a real 73 RS or like it was fucking light

Yeah, like the todhill dude. It's yeah, that thing is crazy. Okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when you just like

When I just like move it around in here like you can't believe how little effort

It takes to get it to like move in your to like to steer to anything

It's like nothing takes any effort at all. It's wild. Wow. Yeah, it's really cool

This is cool. So how much would it cost to replicate this car?

I have no idea. I bet you this car is $300,000

Why do that and this engine's got to be $60,000 bucks?

I believe you there 100% believe you're 60,000 bucks. Yeah, call fuck it

Where's your call Marco right now ask you might be listening life

Call him right now and ask him what it caught what it would cost you to have this exact car from from nothing

I have no car and I want this car. That's a good question. I bet you that's a 300,000

Because the people are listening if you looked at this car you would go oh someone has a project in their backyard

Yeah, it looks like rat roti

Hey, we're recording part show right now. We're discussing the 72 911 T

Yeah

How much would it cost for someone to get this car made like I show up to your shop. I have no car

And I say please make me a copy of brown and gray primord fast machine

Well, I'm not very good at this pricing situation. Marco, I guess 300

Yeah, between 250 and 300

Yeah, she's the price. Yeah

This should ain't cheap, bro. Mark. This ain't let me guess. This engine's about 60 Gs

more

It has you know real

993 RS intake manifold right right and all that stuff and like the heads are you know, they're billet heads from billet extreme

And you know, it's got a special crank in it and rods and all this other shit

So if you

If I wanted a car that was 80% of this

Could I get it for 150?

Uh

Yeah, it could get it for one eight one 80 to 200 yeah, all right. Yeah, all right

Okay, yeah, it really depends on how good the car is that you start with because this car didn't need a lot of like

Restoration. It was very rust-free. I mean the car looks like a roach

But that's because it was laying but the structure the bones are really good

And it didn't need like crash repair and rust repair and all that should it need to senders and then the mechanicals

You know, I mean yeah, okay, well you okay. All right. All right. Thank you very much. All right. Thanks, buddy

Uh, so yeah, I mean like I said this is not a cheap hobby

Well, that's yeah, I mean as I was coming down the hill

And I was imagining it cost 150 and I was like I was like I you know

I'm not gonna spend that problem. That's the problem with this once you had was the greatest

$150,000 driving experience possible

But it actually costs 300 right that's the Porsche can under the Porsche problem. Yeah, yeah

Because I came down going

I know this will be more expensive than I'm willing to pay for this

But if I can get you know do the fast-back Mustang thing with Sarah

My objective is to have steering as close to that and shifting steering that's good shifting that's good

Brakes that are good and then old car sounds you know, that's yeah, that's just what

What we want the hardest thing about doing that with a Mustang is gonna be to have really good steering. Yeah, I mean

It's doable, but it's hard. You will be hard. It's much easier to do with Porsche

Is Porsche's old steering and it's just rack and pinion to begin with? Yeah

Yeah, and there's no fucking weight up there. Yeah, so you could have a manual steering rack that feels good

Right you that's not possible. I drove that

Parnelli Jones trans Amcar had manual steering. It was garbage. It's actually a low speed

It was awful. Yeah, it was awful. I was exhausted in 10 minutes. Yeah, that's very very true

And this had big huge front. I mean, this is huge tires front and rear

But with no weight up there. It makes no difference. Yeah, it wasn't it really wasn't bad to move around in park

Well, that's a problem. That's annoying. Yeah, that's unfortunate. Yeah

Porsches are so expensive. That's crazy now with this car. I should have asked him, but

15 years ago

Yeah, this car have cost that much to build the building and cheaper building

Correct the car itself would have been much cheaper and so you know, you could have done it from there

and I mean, there's probably like

You know, there's ways to approximate this kind of stuff like you can you can do

You know, you could buy a car that's already got a hot rod and engine and tweak it right? I mean it would have to be a decent car

You know, you know, you could get a 911 SC for 50,000 bucks and maybe someone has done a

3.4 crank or a 3.8 swap and the purists don't want it

But you know, you get lucky and you get it for 75,000 bucks and and Marco can put fucking

15 and 20 or unfucking and and now you've got a hot car for nine we're still talking about 90,000 fucking dollars

You know, this is just it's a really expensive hobby

And when you start building air-cooled engines, oh my god

Oh my god, I mean, I

You know my my safari car

You know, Marco rebuilt it and we we did some stuff and it

And it needed the maintenance part of it that it needed was like

17,000 dollars and then I for while you're in there, I could get another

25 horsepower out of the engine and that's four grand

Like what? Yeah, wow. Yeah, it is it's insane highly stressed small displacement and a engine power is expensive

It's just this is why LS's are great. Yeah because it's almost like

For every dollar you spend you get I don't know a 10th in horsepower or 50 cents in horsepower

It's crazy and sometimes I mean it a lot of times it makes more sense to just like swap in different engines

So if you were to find a 72

You know just find and you know find an engine from an 89 that someone took out right and put that in and it's

It's not a racing engine, but it'll be

70 more power than whatever was making. Yeah, geez, and then there's other like narrow body if you want that will change

How the handling yeah handling of but also sometimes people like the smaller displacement the 2.7s the 2.9s

Because they like rev up real fast and then rev I mean this is a racing engine

It has so fast but the bigger displacement

You know like Carrera engines like the 3.2 they have heavy flywheels

So you could put a light flywheel on it like my car my safari car had

But then it has that cold start thing right so you have to like feather the throttle because the flywheel keeps it when it's ice cold

idling smoothly. I mean whatever it's all a trade on whatever he did with this engine

This thing started immediately. It was easier to start than that slant nose. I drove

Started immediately it made way more torque below 4,000 than I expected

I did not downshift nearly like if you watch the video on my Instagram

I was running it from like 4 grand to 6 because I didn't need to run it to 9 even though you can

It was really remarkable and the light flywheel like I had to get used to how quick it revs to kind of catch it on

Yeah shifts

But it didn't really have any of those like user issues that you car had you do a lot more with a light flywheel

Air-cooled car you do a lot more like feathering the throttle in between gears sometimes to like keep the revs where they need to be

Yeah, yeah, man

That's so much money. I know it sucks, but like but the thing about that is is like

It's not an investment like you're not gonna make a profit, right? But if you have the capital to get in

Money you pay Marco to do work. You're not gonna get back

But if you could buy someone else's car

You buy a done one you buy a stock one

Because like stock air-cooled cars are fun too. They don't need to be race cars

But like you know you buy one of those and like if you get afford to get in

Then when you get out, you know, there's only going to be an incremental difference like it

It didn't cost you 200 grand it actually cost you 12 right

But you had to park 200 grand and yes, you could have made

You know investment income off it or blah blah blah blah blah but but right the opportunity cost is paid for by the enjoyment of the car

And your actual net out of pocket cost is not the actual purchase price of the car

Yeah, so you need to have enough capital to get in the game

But once you have that capital in your car game

You can then just circulate it and do this

You know, and that's there's your car account right right you do just roll that capital into the next car or whatever

And it's not you know, you're not minus 250

At the end of the day somewhere you you might even be up

But probably your minus a little bit. Yeah, you know, yeah, you can have you can have this this experience will essentially cost you

12 grand if you bought for 200 and sold for 188

Which I realized is a crazy number for most people but we're just speaking

Well, that math works at scale right if you buy a car for 8,000 and you you know, and you sell it in two years for six

You didn't spend eight you spent two, you know, you had to park eight to lose, you know, to mean to spend yeah

Like the math isn't terrible on that kind of stuff actually that's why like dollars per mile

Dollars per mile is that math applied to how much you actually drove the car. Yeah, totally

This makes me understand like why type bars, you know, older type bars or S2000 stuff like that

Deliver similar things great shift engines rev those engines work really well

And steering is pretty damn good, you know, a lot of those cars and though you know

The other thing with these these Porsches is once you get them

Built whatever sorted very few people actually do enough miles to justify like like a top-end rebuild is like the 100,000 mile service for an air-cooled engine

It once that's done. It's 100,000 more miles like this car will probably never do that many miles again

So once that shit's done, you know, you have a car that just needs oil changes for like 20 years

Well, the guy that owns this car

Should drive the hell out of it. I know he has a bunch of cars

And I don't think he's listening, but he should drive this car because it's fucking awesome

Well stuff like this where the odometer who even gives a shit what the odometer is there's nothing

It's a it's a body and then everything else is new so who cares? Yeah, the whole interior is new even though it looks very like vintage and

Of period interior photo in here. I don't really see

I forget with the inside of it

I wanted to drive this car too

But it showed up right at the beginning of that eight-day rainstorm

And and then I had to travel

Uh, I forget where I was going, but I was not in Los Angeles. Yeah, simple vintage

Uh, you know, not not fancy, but no, it's like just I don't know whatever kind of

Style of carpet and very simple stuff

I'm gonna say this out loud. I hate that four-spokes steering wheel. Oh, yeah, I hate it in all porches

Yeah, it looks so dumb. I don't like it. I like a three-spokes steering wheel very much. I just totally agree

I do not like afford. I don't even like it in the Todd Hill K's when that when that thing is made of carbon

No, and then later when they got airbags with the VHS tape. Oh, that's probably the way that I'm sick for wheel

Yeah, no, no gen 1 airbag wheel

PSA by the way at this point like normally I'm a

Keep your you know don't fuck with airbags, right?

Gen 1 airbags are more dangerous than they are worth at this point if you have a car because they're old

Yeah, they're old and they're fucking they're dating like they hurt people like if you have a if you have an impact

That's like high enough speed to deploy the airbag, but not enough high of speed where the crash itself would really hurt you

Like an otherwise very safe car like a 91 Lexus LS 400

Like you could get much more injured by the airbag than by the crash

Oh because the airbag design hasn't evolved. Yeah, of course. That was the beginning

Yeah, so I know it's just like it inflates and doesn't deflate when you hit it with your face

Like I think you should you probably should deactivate your gen 1 airbags if you have a car that has them

And maybe even changes to just say the last thing I would say about this is as cool as the titanium exhaust looks with the giant cans

It is loud. Yeah, like I was on the highway with with air pods with noise cancellation and I didn't have to like a little tonight

Is a little tonight is tickling. That's tough. Yeah, no, I'm deadening in the car. Yeah, I'd go with something quieter than that for sure

Yeah, so but it was sick. It was really fun great great education very happy to have that class. Yeah, air cold cars are fun

Yeah, they're they're a really good time, you know

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What uh

Oh, I mean I we've I've hit all the all the points all six things I wanted to I wanted to talk about

Someone sent me the video

Spinning really gold crest spinning man. God. I love our fans. Thank you to our patrons who are doing science

For us in time for the program. You're all right. You watch it. Okay. I haven't watched it. Do I need to hit a bong first?

Sorry, you should hold up. You need a therapy bong. Oh wow. Okay

Shout out to this guy. Okay. Here we go

This is the what's gonna happen when you spin the gold crest

Hmm

I'm gonna go ahead. Well, that's not perfectly even. It's not hang on he sent two videos. Let's see the second video

The second video the same as the first

so

I'm gonna go with no

I'm I'm gonna say that in this experiment I'm not gonna call the myth busted

But I'm gonna say and you can watch this video as well

And thank you very much to our patrons for doing it. Shout out Jake shores then long time subscriber

In this video, it does not demonstrate that the original gold crest with the black and red stripes looks like a swastika when spinning

Now, I don't know if it's perfectly centered on the real either. That's why I think I think we might need to do further science

We have to we actually have to mount a camera on a wheel and do it

It's very close Jake, but I think it is it's not totally centered

It's probably just mounted on I don't know wherever you could go

But I really do think that there is and someone's probably just so mad because they really know the answer to this right now

Because they studied filmmaking or whatever

In the monochrome. It's just black and white

Here it's black and red, but then the gold is a third color true

So you don't it just won't produce the same

Effect when spinning and I keep using the word rotoscope is is it more like spyrograph spyrograph is where it draws using spirals

I remember I remember the toilet when I was a kid. Yeah, but I I don't think

It's an animation technique where you trace over live action footage framed by frame to create realistic fluid moments. Oh, that's just like

Oh, not wrote. What's the um

spyrograph no

No

What is it called the you know what I'm talking about where you spin something yeah, that's the horse and it's the horse thing

I don't know fuck

I don't have the words no one in the chat

Is anyone as anyone all-capsing this into the chats right now?

Carousel mo spinning carousel. I guess carousel is it

Carousel animation that I guess that's more what it is right

Because it looks like a carousel from the side

Yes, that is something like a carousel animation

But this is some guy doing it like yeah, I mean like old school right from the 1800s shit

Um, I don't know, but uh, I'm sorry people. I don't have the word, but you I hope you know the fuck

Yeah, someone else put it in the comments

So I don't know in that in that one. I'm gonna say potentially busted when it comes to the original logo

Well, I wonder did they add the red and gold later and they went oopsie daisy like here's how we fix this

Steven Miller is too young to have worked there. I know that for us for sure. We know which son of caps. He has

Which option box he chose yes, yeah

That conflicted man. We'll go to the people. That's a good time

Of course patreon.com slash the smoking tire podcast our patrons are the best. They're fucking doing science for us

in the program

And as wait is this is this where we put the the original bit of science zootrope someone says zootrope that's right

Thank you again

Shout out to him zootrope is correct. Yeah, I knew it was in there somewhere

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In the spirit of the recent news of Nissan releasing a bunch of nispo models including versions of the aria and rogue

What is the dumbest performance version of a car that actually made it into production

oh

The dumbest performance version of cars that make it into production. Oh, uh, I mean, I think like the

The like street trucks of the two thousands

Then we're like lower to come but like didn't really have anything extra like

Yeah, the Toyota one

Yeah, that the Toyota one there was like the s10 extreme like those like midsize lowered street trucks that

were just

Trucks that had body kits and shit those were those were no good. I didn't like those at all

Do you have a

Do you have a performance version of a car that's very stupid? I think I just got

I got bothered when Mercedes and Audi just started adding like AMG to things. Oh, yeah, just the you get the badge

You get some wheels maybe like they changed the suspension, but the engine didn't change. Yeah, caching in on the

That bothered me to no end. So that's what I would say that's

Yeah, the nismo aria. I would

Probably skip that. I mean, that's pretty bad. They're doing a manual nismo Z though. Yeah, I'm good

I'm extremely the name is for extremely excited for it. The automatic nismo Z was awesome

Except for I mean and the gear box wasn't even that bad. It just wasn't the manual

That car will be a delight. It might be expensive, but it'll be a delight

Excited for that

And also top top fucking username come only fans so good superb

Zach's clapped out jetta. Zach don't have no jetta. I did you do when did you have a jetta college? I had a 97 glx

Oh you did? I had black black jetta

The glx I

Not a track didn't come with a mic. No track. Just regular glx sunroof that broke

The car amazingly lasted

What three years drove it across from car is the high performance one, right?

It was the nice one. So it had like electric seats in the sunroof leather seats in Colorado terrible choice

There's a VR6. Yeah, which I put an intake on so it sounded awesome exactly

And I think I went like 130 in it once which took a while to get to yeah

Uh

If the car would never break down and only needed regular services what car would you love to daily or have as a weekend fun car

Uh

Well on the on the on a alpha alpha quad I would do that if I knew that nothing was ever gonna go wrong with it

Sure, I wouldn't rock that around for like a daily or

Um, because I think it's just stunning looking and it's basically an M3 but doesn't look like garbage or Ferrari like

I don't pick a pick a Ferrari that I like a five five fifty five fifty Ferrari. Yeah

I mean, and honestly like that's not

That's not even like would never break down like a Ferrari five fifty is in they call them they the um

Donnie used to call them the Ferrari Camaro

Um, because they not not to insult them just because they fucking work

Um

They're they're lovely cars. It's it's not even that. It's just like do I want to

I've never not bought a car

Because of its reputation for unreliability

That's never kept me that's never been like oh, I would buy that but

The but the service is too much. What about that's not true. No, it's not a three fifty five Ferrari three fifty five there

That's the answer. Yeah. Yeah. If you never had to worry about that. That's true. That's the answer by tomorrow. Yeah

Thank you for leading me to that answer. I hadn't thought about but the answer is Ferrari three fifty five

And we'll probably always be for three fifty five

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Cadillac seahillistic

That's good

Thoughts on the idiot's grenadier game viewer you see this thing

Uh

Did not it's the it's so it's a grenadier for safari lodges

so now that the

Old defender is out of production

um, they're hoping that safari

Lodges will buy these grenadiers which have a stadium seating in the back

now I have to say

Despite their best efforts

When I went on safari in 2017 with Hanna we had a defender-based

safari vehicle and it was fucking nicer than this

The part the back part where people sat the customers

Was much nicer and more

Comfy and luxurious because it expanded outward

Beyond the boundaries of the car. Yeah. Here. They're still they're keeping all the seats kind of within the yes with of the standard vehicle

The body is basically the lower half of the body is just the grenadier pickup truck body the same one we drove

They've just like ripped out the inside and and put stadium seating. Yeah

Three rows of at plus the drive that oh yeah

It also doesn't have the bow rider chair doesn't have the bow rider chair

So that basically the chairs remain narrow it's like two seats across with a small, you know, there's a lot of bars on it

I also I wonder

You know the Land Cruiser or whatever is based on Land Rover would you say I'm sorry when you were on was a defender

2015 was a final year of the old defender all right

I was gonna say if it's the old one simpler to fix

This is obviously BMW power plant, but the 2015 defender. Yeah, no, that was a modern that was a modern vehicle

Land Cruiser does these as well. I saw a couple other

The the lodge that we were at had defenders, but we saw it when we were out there like some Land Cruiser based ones from other lodges

Um, I mean, not terrible not terrible and I do love me a safari

Vehicle but maybe it's intentional maybe maybe the lodge people were like, you know

We don't want them to go wide anymore. It's a narrow body. It's a narrow body

Maybe we want this for fewer people and and whatever, but the ones that we had

um had a had a bench seat that that had like uh

like uh

It had armrests in it, but it was one big bench with these nice kind of comfy armrests

It was pretty luxurious. I mean these these seats look very nice. They do look really big buckets, but it's just two across

You could do four across it ours. So this one seats six people total

Yeah, that's a short wheelbase. There you go. That's a better shot

And then the long wheelbase seats eight people total. Yeah, I do like the bimini roof

Nice. Yeah, I don't know that makes sense. That's okay. It does. It's that is a logical extension and I bet they will sell those

I can't I wonder if someone has turned one can you see if just google if someone has turned a grenadier into a quail rig

because I am

I am sexually aroused by quail rigs honestly

Quail rig is there a grenadot

You're you're not going to typing under pressure. I'm not

Screened it has lag so oh that oh look the second picture has the bow rider chair on it

Bowrider chair is fire. Well, this is this is a fire rig story also

It's the same truck, but I but we didn't see the bow rider chair, but I think the quail rig the bow riders were like

They looked larger and more like well for like sitting shoot

You know you don't shoot off the rig. That's a big no-no. Yeah

The rig is from getting from one field to the other and for holding the dogs and holding your guns and holding your fun liquor and

Whatever, but the sickest bow rider that I was on had like cigarette boat chairs on the front

With a cooler and like it was crazy

Yeah, yeah

No, if you shoot off the rig, you're you're a dig bag. That's like a big it's like a no-no is just as to shoot off the rig

Well because when you get to a spot you have to like let the dogs out and flush all the things

And why would you be shooting at off the rig? Yeah, you're you're just you're just not supposed to

Yeah, I mean you could like you shouldn't even really be holding your gun while you're on the rig the guns go in the gun compartment

And you're just like yeah makes sense chilling. Yeah, if you drop it drop it drive over it. Yeah. Yeah

Okay fancy drive like that more than I'm going shooting in January. I'm very excited some birds

Okay

USDM says did my first lemons race it rode it land-alas weekend

Don't know why I didn't do it sooner. I agree

wants to take the next step to advance my driving skills

Would you suggest a racing school on or one-on-one coaching?

well

I

Mean you will not learn more at a driving school than you would with one-on-one coaching for the same amount of hours invested

Sure, right like even the best driving school isn't one-to-one. Yeah

Having said that if you don't have your own car and access to a racetrack

You know you those maybe other problems, you know the convenience of a racing school just having everything there

The only other reason I would say potentially is if you really do want to keep racing

Not just improving your skills

I would consider getting attending a competition licensing school, right? So like what coaching is great

But a coach can't issue you a license. Yeah, only a school can like the there's the skip barber Mustang school spring mountain does it?

Of course

A bunch of schools do it. Yeah, a bunch of schools. Two three eight programs. Yeah, and you come out of it with a competition license

So that way if you want to go race a champ race and you all race at the other series

You just give them your license and you're just and they don't have to be like well, what races have you done?

It's not all one or all the other

um, and I have a couple of coaches that I've used shout out to Kevin Madsen who's awesome

saw him in Texas last weekend with work two weeks ago

and

Other folks are very talented coaches, but like I think if you know if you can afford it one-on-one is always better

And if you can find someone that has a car

And I'm sure there are coaches out there that have cars. They just charge you more for that

But

Otherwise, like you said you should bring your own car and if you don't have one

You know doing doing a school like I don't

Spring mountain school was great and they didn't give me no discount on my rate like I paid MSRP for that thing

But I had a ton of seat time. I couldn't really want it more seat time

The data overlay stuff was really helpful. They I jumped into level two school

So they weren't saying like here's where you here's what apexes are

Here's how trail-breaking works. They has just assumed you know those things

So if you jumped into a level one school it might be a little bit different

But um just finding one that has like good reviews and lots of drive time. I think you'll get a lot out of it. Yeah

um

Rage against the Machee

Could Porsche ever build a modern special edition air-cooled 911 and would it be a hit or a miss?

Well, first off if they could it would be a hit. Yeah, for sure

Very very difficult to build an air-cooled 911 that will make the kind of power people want and also meet

Global emissions violations. Yes

Supposedly this air-cooled roof

Will meet California emissions

having said that

Roof themselves and and people who have driven it said it's not like quite ready for prime time still needs a little more development

Um, not a point against just like, you know, they're trying something very hard

um

Isn't the singer turbo engine

homologated for emissions as well

50 say legal. Yeah, I think it is. I'm pretty sure the singer turbo engine

It is fit. I think it is

um

Having said that is it yeah, it is but

Because a singer turbo is still a Porsche 964

It's not the same kind of rules as if they were building a brand new car from scratch today and they were a manufacturer like that

so like

That's probably one of the things that drives Porsche insane is that companies like singer

And like roof

Can make a car with an air-cooled engine and sell it and they themselves cannot yeah

That probably drives them nuts

Be much harder for Porsche themselves to do this than for singer or roof and it's already very hard for singer and roof

And plus I'd be I mean, I guess they can make the price what they want because you have to now

You have to redevelop or bring back to life an engine that's designed to not be water cooled

You know because they've been doing that for 25 years right so now they go okay

We've and they know how to do it

But they'd have to make those blocks from whoever and then make like the cooling channels and all these other things

um

And then what I don't know would it work with the current body style like I don't know how much and if it's air-cooled in Na versus turbo like

Now they're going to try to make air-cooled horsepower that's strong enough to propel a new modern 992.2

Unibody which is heavier than the old ones. Yeah, would it be you know good?

I think that's the advantage that people like

Singer or toddler them have is they go what size car do I want and they pick one from the lineup and they go what kind of engine do

I want and they pick one over here right and they just get to Lego the thing together and make it the best they can

Whereas in OEM if they had if they had to adhere to current constraints of safety emissions etc

They are stuck and breaks totally totally

um

What is next oh sorry

Uh

Duffel shuffle retirement club what mods are left for zax m3

Uh, I got a shifter kit to go in and some sort of break up grade, but not really like mods. I don't

I don't really need to modify like it's like Porsche horsepower is too expensive in these cars

So I'm not gonna try to get more power out of it

It has all the suspension in the world. I don't need to do that like I'm gonna put some all seasons on it soon and drive it

Yeah, it's cool

her day symbol

I need a new comfortable dedicated work car in the phoenix area to drive between restaurants

I averaged 30,000 miles a year for this task

I was looking at a new ES350 ultra luxury any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated

I mean, that's a great choice. That's a great choice

That's a great choice for phoenix the roads are smooth. Um get a car. Yeah, Genesis G90

Genesis G90 is a pretty rad cruiser

Uh, keep your warranty. Huh keep your warranty. They have like done Genesis of a 10-year warranty. They do just make sure it's

Yeah, you want it. I mean that's 30,000 miles a year. You want to be real comfy. Accurus

Great seats amazing seats. Yeah, I think the Genesis has the nicest looking interior of those three

The Lexus is just the most robust you get like an ES hybrid. Yeah, you're covering a lot of miles

Get something that gets really good miles or mileage. That would be awesome

That's so much driving in one car

Yeah, almost three times national average. Yeah, that's a lot. Damn. Yeah

I know how it is though. If you've got restaurants you got to go to all of them like every day

You're just lapping or lapping depending on how nice these restaurants are you go tight on GTS with the super suspension

Yeah, is one of the restaurants near a charger. Yeah

Uh h-town till a drown

Oh

Fuck Mary killed the cars. I vote. I got to do people to fuck Mary kill people's personal garages

That's okay. That's all right

1993

FDRX7

2003 Mercedes SL 500 kill 2006

99716 speed with a four liter. Yeah, Mary that one. Mary that one

All right, all right, seven and kill. Yes, that was pretty easy

um

Okay, listen and sometimes watch my garage has a short steep ramp

Four feet long and one foot tall. That's pretty that's pretty extreme 25% great. Wow

What sports cars have the best and worst clearance?

If for context my one inch lowered ND meada doesn't scrape well that has a short wheelbase

Yeah, so that really helps you out and maybe the short overhang like 80s and 9 11s and 90s 9 11s are great at this task

Because the breakover is also important to think about right length of wheelbase. Yeah

80s 90s for our ease are horrible at this they have huge front overhags testarosis

horrible front overhags my kuntosh surprisingly good clearance

Tall front tall. He's probably long overhang the engine being way up there. Yes, but but like good

Oh like art would like like a RS4 or something. Oh, yeah, yeah

uh

C7 Corvette's

horrible no go horrible no go they scrape on everything

Um

Mustangs are no go like the GTD or the dark horse we had yeah, the splitter I could barely get out of my driveway

But a regular GT is fine that might be okay. Yeah

Interesting car

Okay, hang on

Rage against the Mach E with robo taxis and self-driving tech advancing despite EV sales trends and car maker

Retrenchment from EVs will autonomous vehicles hit the mainstream before full electrification does um

Yes, because

They're not linked. I mean you could have an autonomous car that is not electric

You you absolutely do not need electrification for autonomy

Um, you would need to have I mean all of those systems that are running need power

So you probably would need a hybrid but like you don't you don't need um

There's absolutely a world that will probably be living in where you can buy a level three or level four autonomous vehicle

But you are not forced to buy an electric vehicle

Probably I guess maybe the question is would like a 48 volt system does that put out enough power for the computing needed

For like you know, I think the Waymo system probably needs way more power than

Teslas shit sure

I just use shit as just for

brevity not because it's actually shit although it might be um because that's just like cameras

It's just less computing power

That's that will be the question is how much data load does each system require?

What's so crazy as I saw a story this morning about

Tesla has enabled this mad max mode on fsd which makes it break laws basically

Though it'll do california rolls. It'll do like 85 miles an hour fsd

Why don't you just call it like the Elon Doge mode?

I mean it literally and and so this article you know people like at need or my or fill

Coopman and all these people that we know are quoted

um

And essentially what what some people are saying is that this is hilarious

is that

people

Don't like like a Waymo representative said that people don't like how caution

uh excuse how cautious

Waymos are

So they've they've made them be a little more aggressive and more assertive and it turns out that people

Even though this whole shit was about safety safety safety safety safety

It turns out that when people are in Waymos

Doesn't it's not about safety anymore. They want them to drive like

An aggressive human driver that won't crash well because people want to optimize their time

So if they if I think people interpret cautious driving as weak slow and they're going

I could have done this faster. Yeah. A lift could get me there quicker. Yeah. Why are you wasting my time?

Let's go. Yeah, you know, it takes like a minute extra. Yeah. No, they're actual sense of math is terrible. Yeah

And the predictive math is good meaning it says I'll get you there in 32 minutes and that's how long it takes um

but like

it it

It becomes about like

You a human is imperfect, you know, and we we will accept

That a human will go five miles an hour above or a human will cross

uh crosswalk before the light turns uh when there's no one there because a human could

reasonably interpret this in a way that

You shouldn't be programming systems to act like that. Mm-hmm. You know like that's not great

And like that people want these computers to drive more like them is very funny because it's against to me and my interpretation

The whole thing about this is for safety. This is for safety. This is for safety

Which does mean being more more cautious and driving like you know

Yeah, but I think if if I'm sitting in a Waymo and you know it

The parking lot thing we've discussed right right they don't really go around other cars

Yeah, so me as a human because of my driving experience the social norms the automotive body language

We all know yeah, you go this car is taking too long

I can tell the people are still loading their shit in the trunk or they're not gonna be out like I can cautiously go around this car

Yeah, and it's I still feel that it's safe now, but that's my definition of safe right with that be yours or your grandma's or

A 16-year-old who just got their license their definition of safe. So that's where it's interesting. It's like

We as a society are nudging

Waymo in a direction where we go

Well, we still want it to be safe and if it crashed

Oh my god the lawsuits and the upward would be huge

But we don't want it to be docile. Yeah, we don't want it to drive in a way that is slower than I would drive

So it's it's people are kind of asking for everyone thinks they're in a above average driver also

Yeah, they're like it's

I've been in a bunch of these things and I've been in a bunch of ubers and a bunch of fucking quote yellow caps in the last year

I would rather be in the back of a waymo most of the time that is driving conservatively

I was in a yellow cab coming back from Austin where the driver had

No sense of what moderate moderate throttle control is

It was no is this

Sir

Walk just cruising up fucking supolvita

Like they couldn't just go

And just maintain 40 to do 40

I'll bet you a hundred dollars that that person thinks

That by doing that when they're off throttle they're saving gas. Yeah, I'll bet you a milk like all the crazy have

Yeah, and and like you know a waymo may not go one mile an hour over the speed limit

But like it's smooth

Cab rise are oftentimes an adventure you're like wow look at this person going for it

Yeah, and sometimes you trust them and sometimes you don't yeah

And like I get that I totally get the jobs thing and I'm pro jobs and I don't want people

To lose jobs like or not not to lose jobs

I don't want people to lose their ability to keep a roof over their head and fucking feed their family

If that's universal basic income instead of a job like okay

But it's not like that's not happening

you see fucking asshole

said

In a quote

That people won't need should people shouldn't save money because like the great the great abundance is going to take care of everything

AI is go AI is gonna solve poverty and it's gonna solve everything

And so you just you don't need to save for retirement. I mean we look he's lied to us before but why would he do it now?

I was the guy was six hundred billion dollars says

You don't need to save for retirement. Yeah, so please spend it

The guy who literally solved poverty himself today

Says that you don't need to worry about it because

Will solve pop when I become a trillionaire will solve pop. Yeah, then he'll do the nice things not

But he hasn't done it yet because it's not original to go back really quick

I think what we like about the Waymos is it they all have a driving standard

Yeah, and when you're in a cab or in a lift or whatever

There's no you get a driver's license, but you don't go to show first school

Yeah, and learn how to drive in a way that has moderate throttle and all the other things

That person passed their license tests somehow

Whatever they hit the bear minimum

So I think that's what it is

It's like we're all trying to agree on what the chauffeur standard should be for Waymos

And we just wish to lift and other people drove more like that

Yeah, I I mean Waymos do drive very conservatively and and they

They're there where their limitations are

Very interesting. They can't communicate with a person outside of the car

You can't they can't communicate with other cars right if they get confused

There's no way to tell one go over there, you know

There's no way to do that from inside the car either

They could drop you off and stop and there's a huge fucking puddle right there

And you can't go can you pull up two feet so I'm not in the puddle like those are pretty limiting

But like how they actually navigate the world

We're right between like right across the street from our studio is the fucking tub

Every morning like 400 Waymos pull out of there and drive up and they pat they write in this corridor between my house and your house and here

Right do these things drive so predictably

They drive so nicely and predict when they're actually just driving

It's so nice and predictable. I don't want these fucking things to start getting all aggressive

I don't I think they'll move it up, you know, 4% but yeah, they're gonna be very very cautious as they have been the company has been very cautious

This whole development. Yeah versus Tesla. So I don't think we have to worry too much bad max mode. Fuck out of here dude

um

Let's see

Uh

Keel and tow any chance we'll have a go in the SCG 004

Eventually the first customer cars. I mean, it's they've been in development for many many years now

Wow, I thought the first customer car was that gold car me too with the cheetah shit in it from

How many years ago was that I mean wow? I really thought these had been sold a long time ago. Yeah, okay. I don't really really know

Uh

Adil says Mercedes EQS models have depreciated into the 30k range

At that price point do some of the flaws start to become easier to live with

I mean

Jumping out if you jump out of your ionic 5 into an EQS

I wouldn't do that. I would keep the ionic 5. I know your lease is rang out, but like

I hated the giant giant screen. I hated to break pedal the most the break pedal the way it was

Away from your foot when you didn't know it was gonna do that. Yeah, it was like adjusting its speed and stuff

No, it was using regen regen. Yeah terrible terrible. It's not good. No

The EQE was better than the EQS by like a pretty decent margin, but it still wasn't great

30k is cheap

I'd probably pass I would pass I'd probably pass

Yeah, it's not the EV experience. I want right. I really didn't I didn't like you know

And then when I when I see them around I don't think they're good looking cars. Yeah, so they don't look like a Mercedes to me

At all take that badge off and then think about what you're

blob

So it's not a driving experience or an ownership experience. I'm interested in I agree. Yeah, so at all

No, oh no, well, okay

See

Uh

Chappy says I keep looking at F pace and Valar V8s a few years old

But if I get one under 50,000 miles in my committing financial suicide

I don't think that likes his Valar very much. I thought the Valar V8 was pretty cool actually good in car

Yeah, F paces here's what I'd worry about my mom's Jaguar of that same era

The interior has gotten very sticky

The Val that rubberized coating they put on everything got crazy sticky the Ferrari and she's looking at a few thousand dollars to fix it

You should take the whole interior apart

Yeah, so like that's I would worry about that with F paces because they use the same exact materials

His Valar his Valar hasn't been too bad. I think they've they've done basic maintenance

Yeah, you gotta do some breaks at some point like

And they got you know just get the rotors off the internet or whatever hasn't been that bad and they've owned it for

Three years, I think

So I don't think that's suicide

But yeah, I mean extended warranty though. If you can get extended warranty, I would really be that's where I'd be with that for sure

You know that's that's tough

Oh my god so many words

Okay

Okay lotus

reopa

Great. I guess that's because I like Europe. Oh like Europe. Oh great great

Okay, great

Recommendations for good manual transmission cars under 30k. I don't value wild speed, but I love a good engine

Between previous gen M2's 86's

530i sport with a manual no

Uh, anything else that would be good to consider to really learn to drive manual live in Texas live in Texas coming from west north carolina mountains

S2000s

great sure

I mean under 30k you get a lot of Mustang GT you might be able to get Laguna Sake edition boss 302

I mean you can get Corvettes you can get Corvettes that have LS3s in them for that kind of money

um, I mean uh

A news new the 86 is okay, but not a great engine. It's not Texas average engine. Not a great Texas car

Do see on the highway. Yeah, exactly you do long you do long miles there. Yeah, that's what I've done

I'd rather have a to a previous gen M2 for sure that's a great choice

Um, and that is a fast car. Yeah, I mean you mean if you don't want fast you can find did they make it another two 28 and two 30s

We're never manual, right? They're all audios. I think they're audos. No

230 i manual

230 i manual might be nice for Texas actually. That could be fine. That was the light one. We drove it was a manual. Yeah, the white one

Okay, all right. Yeah, that's a very nice car. That's a cool car. They're not sought after so you can use one

You can get it from like very low money. Um, it'd be cool. GTI with a tune

You know, oh, well, I don't know if it's under 30, but first gen RS first gen Audi TTRS

You could get as a manual with the five cylinder. That's a good cruise

2013

15 or something that's a 13

um

I mean look I

Super is under 30. No, probably not super is super manual

Probably not you didn't probably not know

Z-Force

Z-Force are all right, you know as are like as our you know turbocharged, you know, you're three 35 eyes and you can definitely get a

370 Z for that money 370 Z probably the nicest one in the world. Yeah, yeah

Maybe you could you mean you might be able to get a new gen one for that

I mean maybe

Um LL Cartier

Of the SoCal car podcast guys who drives most recklessly on the street and who's the most grand motherly

Almost recklessly

Spike doesn't drive fast

Uh, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't know how anybody out with anybody that drives recklessly. Yeah

And I also don't

I mean, there's probably other car podcasts out there. I don't listen to and maybe someone there sends it

But I don't know all of our friends are relatively responsible. I think yeah, I don't

Zuckerman when I went for a ride with him in a car

He beat the shit out of this car from ice cold in a way. I would not have personally done

But like all right your car

um like that I mean Zach Merton's he doesn't have a podcast. He's on podcast

But you know most of his videos are like here's how my Tahoe does burn out on the in the industrial district near my shop

Is that reckless versus driving the canyons? I don't know

But it's it no easier and smokeier

Most of our friends are like in their 40s. Yeah, like we even if we were dick bags when we were younger

Most of our friends are not driving like that on the street today. It's true

I'm sorry to disappoint you. I wish I could

There's probably a show out there called like the 11 10th or something

There's like automotive journalists like on press launches that I absolutely won't get into cars with

But I'm not going to like just fucking shit on them on the show. Right. That's not cool

um

Uh

Better forgotten SUV Jag F pace SVR or Maserati Lavante Trafeo SVR

The SVR is a very good vehicle that was sold at a very good price

It was like cheaper than the X3M

And had this amazing engine sound great. It rode better. It was heavier than the X3M

I remember that yeah, but that's that that's a fucking that's a nice car. Good seats

That's cool. I'd rather have that. Yeah. Yeah

All right last one

Unless it sucks

Matt's video taught us stick and now my son and I daily manuals. There we go

Any downsides to powder coating wheels my car came

Black with black wheels and I want to powder coat them to bronze. It seems more cost-effective than getting new wheels

It might make resale harder

um

Well

First thought

The word seems seems a lot more cost-effective than then um then that

Make sure your math is right on that

I last time I tried to get wheels changed colors

Especially if they're already painted. It was like a few hundred dollars of wheel. It wasn't nothing

so

It depends on the

What getting new wheels means you don't say what the car is

It's true you should do the math because

uh

Like if you have if you can't get the stock wheels in bronze from factory, which I'm betting you can't

So if you're thinking about you'd sell these stock wheels and then you have to

The math is buying an aftermarket set and selling the stock wheels and maybe getting some money back or

Powder coating the stock wheels and having those all done so that might be like 1200 bucks. Yeah to paint the whole thing

Yeah, man

I there isn't a downside to the wheel

If you have the wheel the paint stripped and have them powder coated like the wheels fine

And about resale if the job is done professionally and it's not like an ugly color

Like if you're talking about an enthusiast car that's black with bronze wheels

That's tasteful and if there's I don't think

I don't think it would make resale harder

I really don't and I don't love black black

I for me I'd rather buy a car that was black bronze than black black. I don't like black black at all anymore. So

There isn't a downside just check your math

I'm doing so real quick

On apex's website if you had if you had a 2022 m2

Getting bronze wheels in 18s from them is

1600 bucks. Okay

And that's

That's total. So that's for four wheels. Okay, so that might be that might do your math like that might be cheaper or really close

To the same price as getting you know new coating on and also when I when I bought wheels from them

They didn't have the wheel. I wanted in the color. I wanted and I said oh okay like I just quickly threw it out

I could just get them painted gold later and they're like who don't add a coating to a coating

Because like it might not stick that way. Yeah, so if you get your

Stock wheels painted again

If the coating isn't greater comes off and if yours that will hurt your resale value and it'll look like shit

Yeah, yeah, the the cost to have it done properly. It's not like no, I just do it like I'm in whatever

But yeah, we open with this

Really, it's really a hook isn't it? I mean

You know

Should have yeah and in conclusion we still can

Right before we started doing the show first off Gordon Murray was supposed to be with us today and

Unfortunately, I had to cancel last minute said he wasn't well

So hopefully he gets better soon and we get to talk to him soon

but

But so we're just doing radio anyway

Then right before we started

Sent us this video of a Porsche 996 wheel

With a black and white

Porsche crest in the center cap spinning and at a certain speed when it spins which is like looks like normal road speed to me

the crest

starts when spun

Really does resemble a

Swastika really does like a rotoscope like if you looked at a swastika in a rotoscope

You know those things to like the the the spinny old like

Nickelodeon type machines were a thing that spins and it looks like a whole

Just galloping where it's like light on light off light, you know what I mean? It's like

Somewhere between flip book and film it was I know

Shape of whatever turns into another shape because it's spinning. Yeah, certain revolutions. Right. Yeah, well

Turns out the Porsche logo

And we have a YouTube short from the best possible source which is apparently

A podcast called dope is usual where these guys just fucking it balling straight up

Which is my kind of podcast because this was not the video we saw this morning

We saw a different one, but then this is a better version of what we saw

Yeah, yeah, swastika spinning and the top result

You know, we just click on it and it is

I think in the world and it's

In these guys with like pretty incredible

um

Quality tubes in their hands. I mean it looks like extremely high quality glass

What I thought was funny is that all of them have a tube. Yeah, I wasn't like they're sharing personal ball each one has

Well, like I haven't really I haven't really been in a session like that, you know, in post-COVID where some jam session everyone's got their own instrument

It was never a b-y-o-b

You know bring your own bong was was what we did back in the day

But like not it's post-COVID I imagine we're not sharing glass as much as we were

So anyway, these guys have power tubes and I'll just just reacting stuff and this dude's reaction to

He's played it

This guy's incredibly fucking high reaction to seeing this while holding a bong in one hand and a lighter in the other

Oh

The accent on the word fuck so I shut the fuck up. It shut the fuck go you draw the f out shut the fuck

And and it's so yeah, this is the best

This is don't you don't know that what your logo looks like you got the one contrarian

I don't think they know that

And then I love their the clap back over 90 years

Yeah, the audience here what we're hearing on that is that does that audio have to go into our microphones

Well, yeah, so

The idea basically what we're saying is

When the logo certain I haven't seen it in gold yet in your standard gold

But in the both the example that our friend sent us

And this example it seems to be like a black and white version of the crest right that really makes

A swastika when spinning and wow

I don't know if they were doing black and white versions of the crest back then

I they might have just been all like the gold crest

Um, well, I think I think what makes it is like the bars, you know the black bars and the gold crest

I'm looking at it's black and red

I mean we we got to do a mounted shot

I think we just have to do a mounted shot on on my car. Oh, no, I have hrecaps. Um, we have to get you have to

The tycoon also he said caps

It's okay. We'll we'll find we'll find in 9-11 somewhere in this building full of 9-11's

We'll find one somewhere to get a mounted shot on

But we will have to test it with a gold

I see I think at least for me

Colorblind matte

Because red and black go go back to the other one where it's like black and white

When it's black and white that's a very stark contrast and that's going to produce a much different result than black and red which like

Maybe if you see color normally it will produce a real evil looking black and red swastika, but I I don't I don't think I'd be able to see it

but

When it's black and white you're making a rotoscope like that's what that's what black and white does well

So for people like if you're listening when it's spinning the white shape is like

I guess the swastika and the black is the negative space. Yes, and the black and the red crest

It's a pretty dark red is a dark shot. It's a pretty dark red blur together more and it's less distinctive

I don't know this is a really rare reason I don't know what it's like to see color normally

I look at this. Yeah, no, it's black and red okay, but but but I can see black and red but

To me

When you put sort of certain colors near each other

And they're not distinctly different or contrasty

It could get a little murky

You know like in small as particularly in very small scale like this like on watches and in within logos of stuff and a lot of times

That's why

Excuse me

I've had this lingering cough since like Texas. Yeah, and I've taken

Musonex twice a day every day

I'm almost through the whole pack actually and this morning is the first time I forgot to take it

And I'm really noticing the difference. I was like finishing this pack and being like

I don't know if this musonex is like working because I don't really fully feel better

But musonex in it's like ingestion

Expectorant and decongestion and like it's what my pharmacist told me to take

But like having not taken it this morning there is a huge difference actually I don't have to take something lunch

But point being without the big contrast

I don't think you get the same effect or I mean you will but it's way way more subtle

The fact that like black and white

No, like I'm just saying like maybe it's it could be possible that you don't get the same effect because

To get a rotoscope like effect

You really need that contrast of black and white

Uh, I'm looking up. I don't know how to find it quickly, but when the crest

I don't know if did they change it from black and white to black and red or

Always in black and red and it's just like a cost thing sometimes you get black and white

You know center caps and sometimes you get the other one. I don't think those are factory center caps. I think that's a

I think that might be

Yeah, or maybe you can order it

I'm I'm not sure but I don't see a lot of brand new cars with those with black and white center caps like that

I mean you can get and there's yeah, I could probably get those on fucking Amazon for $25 or something

No, no for sure. I was gonna see if

Like that looks like that wheel looks like that Carrera S wheel

Like a 991.2 Carrera S wheel that would have the machined front

The machined face and then the black

Uh, so this website

This is shop.porsha.com. Okay. Yeah, so you can get it from Porsche right yeah, all right

Because I also agree with you. I wanted to make sure this isn't just like an aftermarket thing

So monochrome Porsche crest gotcha

I mean look do they know real it from real the monochrome one looks like a swastika when it's spinning

Yeah, something tells me the gold one won't Porsche or at least not as much

Is this a Porsche dot com Porsche so this is Porsche dot com and they call these

A new website for those listening Porsche dot com calls these the Porsche classic

That's not helping the case

These are on a set of fuchs

It looks like a yeah like a late 16 early 70s black and white center cap with the whites around

I might be wrong here

Wait, go what is the description there available in the form of the new edition of hubcabs for the

60 farm to 73

Well, it's not going back to the 40s. That's for sure. Never forget they say

Wow

Okay, okay. Yep. Well

Really

Email the uh, Porsche Reptus we get a quote from somebody about that maybe wow

Yeah, that's crazy. That is that's certainly a thing

That's our show guys. I'm sorry

Gordon Murray's not here with us. I hope he is all right more recover quickly and we'll talk to him soon

Thank you for joining us today. Appreciate you for all of 2025 really and if you want a great NSX

It's on cars and bids right now. See you guys later. Bye

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