Bring a Trailer Podcast Apr 9, 2026

Affordable 21st-Century Performance, Revisited

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Bring a Trailer (BAT) events

BAT is short for Bring a Trailer, a website and community for car enthusiasts. Their events are meetups where people show up for cool cars and the stories behind them.

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Bring a Trailer Podcast

Bring a Trailer is a car auction website and community. People buy and sell enthusiast cars there, and the podcast talks about events for that community.

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Zandvoort

Zandvoort is a famous race track in the Netherlands. They’re excited to go back because it’s a real Formula 1 venue and it’s near the beach.

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F1 circuit

They mean it’s a Formula 1 track. That usually makes it a more intense, high-performance driving experience than a typical local track.

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Road America

Road America is a well-known race track in Wisconsin. It’s the kind of place where the track layout—like the back straight and turns—matters a lot for how cars drive.

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Le Mans refers to the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the world-famous endurance race in France. When the hosts compare a car to a “Le Mans class” winner, they’re talking about the car’s racing pedigree and the class rules it competed under.

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turbo

A turbo is a device that helps the engine make more power by pushing extra air into it. That’s why turbo cars can feel faster than their size would suggest.

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service history

Service history refers to documented maintenance and repairs, usually via dealer records or receipts. In used-car buying, strong service history can reduce uncertainty about wear items and help justify paying less for higher mileage because the car’s upkeep is proven.

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6-speed

“6-speed” means the car has a manual transmission with six gears. Many enthusiasts like manuals because they feel more connected and fun to drive.

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160K on the clock

“160K on the clock” is shorthand for a vehicle’s odometer reading—about 160,000 miles. Mileage like this often affects how buyers value wear items, maintenance history, and remaining lifespan.

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Corvette LS2

LS2 is a powerful V8 engine from Chevrolet’s Corvette. If a Cadillac uses an LS2, it’s basically borrowing that proven Corvette engine for extra performance.

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reserve

A reserve is the “minimum price” the seller will take. If the bidding doesn’t hit that number, the car doesn’t get sold.

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quarter mile

The “quarter mile” is a drag-racing test where cars go down a track for 1/4 mile. Faster quarter-mile times generally mean quicker acceleration.

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V8

A “V8” is an engine configuration with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. In this context, the speaker is contrasting DB7 versions before and after the V8 introduction, which typically affects performance and desirability.

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Vantages

The Aston Martin Vantage is the sportier Aston Martin model. The speaker is saying it used to be relatively affordable, and they’re wondering if that has changed.

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No mufflers

“No mufflers” means the car’s exhaust is louder because the sound-dampening parts were removed. Some people like the loud, aggressive sound, but it can get annoying over time. They’re joking about whether it’s still a good idea.

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automatic

An automatic transmission changes gears by itself. You don’t have to use a clutch or shift manually, which can make the car easier to drive day to day.

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Scat Pack

“Scat Pack” is a higher-performance version of the Dodge muscle car. It usually means you get a stronger engine and more performance-focused parts compared to the base trims.

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normally aspirated

Normally aspirated means the engine doesn’t use a turbo or supercharger to force extra air in. It’s the more “natural” way an engine breathes, and that can affect how the car feels and what people pay for it.

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six speed

“Six speed” means the car has a manual transmission with six gears. Some buyers prefer it because shifting yourself can feel more fun and connected.

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hold their value

“Hold their value” means the car doesn’t get cheap as fast as other cars. The speaker is saying these Volvos stay worth a lot even when they have lots of miles.

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window sticker

The window sticker is the original paper from when the car was new that shows its price and options. People look at it to judge what the car should have cost.

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all-wheel drive

All-wheel drive means the car can send power to more than just the front or rear wheels. That usually helps it grip better when you accelerate, especially in bad weather.

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boneyard

“Boneyard” is slang for a junkyard where cars are dismantled for parts or scrapped. When a speaker says a model is “headed for the boneyard,” they’re predicting poor long-term retention—often due to high maintenance costs, parts scarcity, or weak demand. It’s a valuation-and-survivability signal, not a literal location.

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performance per dollar

“Performance per dollar” means how good the car is for the money. If prices go up faster than performance, the value drops.

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brakes and rotors

Brakes are what stop the car, and rotors are the metal discs the brake pads press against. Over time they wear out, so replacement is common on higher-mileage cars.

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price of entry

“Price of entry” just means what you pay to get the car in the first place. The point here is that if the first repair bill is huge, it can wipe out the savings you thought you were getting.

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platform sharing

Platform sharing is when different car models are built on the same basic “skeleton.” That can make them feel similar and can also mean some engineering and components are related.

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bottom

“Bottom” means the lowest price a car is likely to reach before it levels off. It’s a way of talking about when the market stops getting cheaper.

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V12

A V12 is an engine with 12 cylinders. More cylinders usually means a smoother, more powerful setup, and it often comes with a higher cost.

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bring a trailer podcast. Hello everybody and welcome back to the bring a trailer podcast

Alex coming to you from bring a trailer headquarters in San Francisco joined today by Randy and

Howard. What's up guys? Hey, hey, Alex street ride versus hot ride. What's the difference?

Let's not even is that how you're going to fire? Just like live wire touch the third rail Howard

when was the last time you were on a podcast? Oh man, I was a while back maybe two or three

months. It's been too long. You're fresh back from New York. You said you just did a car event

in New York. I've been promoted to an avid listener of the podcast now. Okay. Not a co-host. That's

yes, promotion. Went to a cool event in New York City this past weekend held at the Brooklyn

Navy Yard, which is a cool destination. It was wheels NYC, which I'd never heard of before.

69 for Loche was showing some cars. He took me off to it. What'd he bring? He brings something

crazy. He brought the cars were pretty cool. He brought a best guy brought was a black

Qantas gold wheels, which is probably the star of the show. Good little real estate right in the

center there. And he bought a Renault five turbo. Wait a minute. What color? Not an R five like the

Oh, his little turbo. Yeah, it was cool. Yep. I didn't know they put turbos on the front wheel drive

cars. They did. Interesting. But good event. Yes, sufficiently hipster, rat music blaring,

really cool site, kind of an old warehouse with some outdoor parking, maybe a hundred cars there.

I was just saying it's like old military base. That's the vibe.

Yeah. Yeah. This is the Navy Yard situation was cruising around. One guy had an absolutely

phenomenal 78 sob 99 turbo that I was gawking over orange. No, like kind of graphite gray,

silverish. There was a guy sitting near it that looked like he could be the owner. So I kind of

sauntered up to him and said, Hey, is this your car? He said, Yeah, I said, This is absolutely

fantastic. It's the best thing here, blah, blah, blah. He said, Yeah, yeah, it's a good one.

And I said, Yeah, and I worked for bring a trailer. And if you ever poke around on there,

and he just looks at me said, Yeah, I mean, I hold three solid record.

I was like, Oh, tell me more. He was like, Yeah, 99 EMS on orange one. That's where I was at.

I think he sold that car. He's like, I have the 900 SPG record, you know, and this guy was

an absolute beauty of a guy. I love that EMS pop right into your head. Red is the red SPG,

right? That went for some huge, I can't remember the number huge number on that car. That's amazing.

I like that he was so dismissive. Yeah, of course, of course, the one at the show is going to be

the fourth record whenever he brings it right. He said that was his personal car, but that one's

not for sale. But maybe it could be bought for a world record price. That's fantastic. I love

that. I love the idea of car events in New York. Reid, have you done any car stuff recently? I know

we got some exciting stuff coming up, but you got anything that you've done since last time we were

on the mic? Not too major other. I mean, just wrenching on cars and keeping cars running and

small checks and blah, blah, blah. But was that the LA? We had an amazing week and talk about

the last two. Did you already talk about the LA event? I don't think I talked about you and me

trying to pick it. Perfect airport in a rush, which was its own amazing story. That was exciting.

A little too much excitement. But the event was that was one of the most favorite, most fun

BAT events I've been at in a long time. The LA one hundred percent was just man, it was packed full

of people and a lot of stuff I had never seen before in cars I had never seen before. So anyway,

that one is top of mind for me. And then just the upcoming calendar is what I'm super excited about.

But yeah, kind of getting back after we got some there's a rally leaving out of San Francisco

this weekend. Staffers are on. There's other big events that are starting to take off April and

May start to be good months, don't they? Totally. How have you ever been in the Malamance Museum?

I have not. Oh, man, it was great. I was rifling through that photo gallery. Good stuff. Wabs facility

was amazing too. And I would love to say that Howard's back just for our company, but you've got

an event coming up too. So we've got snowball. We got some of our buddies going on snowball and

you've got your old event coming up. Yep. The California Miele kicks off this upcoming Sunday,

April 27th. So I'm pumped for that. What are you driving? Hoping to be driving a

Alpha 1900 Peninferina Coupe, early 50s Alpha. So if that isn't the first one on the flatbed,

then we'll be in good shape. Ready? That's I feel like that's a phrase you have either

uttered or thought about or hoping to be driving. So yeah, big BAT calendar coming up. Next one on

deck for us is the quail moto event, which we've sponsored a couple of years. I can't remember

if you've gone to one of those, Randy, I have not. I've never been to the moto gathering,

but our staff is all over it. We kind of tend to send our moto guys, which you and I are not,

but that is an awesome event and that is on May 17th. So that's coming up quite soon. I believe

the sign up is live for that. And then we have two in June, one of what you've gone to before. You

want to talk about Zandvoort? Yeah, we're doing Zandvoort again. We did it last year. It was our

first European event and we're going to be back there this year, which is super exciting at the

F1 circuit in Zandvoort, which some people in the BAT community have driven and talked about

and reached out to us. And then we met a bunch of cool folks. We met our next local partner,

our Belgian local partner, that's where we met them. They like rolled up and said,

I want to be a local partner. And we started talking about stuff. So it's always fun to go

to new places and see new things and meet new folks. And that event is, I'm trying to think

what to compare it to here. I mean, the circuit is the draw there because you see it on TV and

stuff. And it's right by the beach and it's like a really neat environment, but also just sort of

size and scope. Yeah, it's like a medium level, but very competitive, right? The Europeans win

their vintage racing. They're not totally like bang indoors, but it's not far off of that. It's

very different than a Monterey sort of field. It's more like East Coast US racing than West Coast.

So anyway, super great event. And we hope we get some European listeners out there and

BET bidders and buyers and sellers, but also Americans, like if you're looking for an excuse

to go to a far away cool car event, that ought to be on your list. The further east you go,

the harder core the vintage racing gets, or maybe the further west you go, the softer it gets.

I don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just a spectator, but that kind of seems like that's

a reputation. Well, that's a good segue into our big blowout event, which is going to be at a

vintage race in Elkhart Lake, Wisconsin, where all three of us will be going and where Howard,

I hope, will be racing. But we've been told the racing is pretty aggro there at the Road America

vintage event. You've been before Howard. Oh, only as a spectator. Is it is the racing aggro? I

haven't heard that, but that was Colin Merz take, wasn't it? Somebody just told me like if you have

a West Coast car, you have kind of no business being there or east of there. Maybe I shouldn't

say that to you, Howard. Maybe it doesn't get you in more modern stuff. I don't know that that's

the case, but like in the vintage stuff, I think that's the case. Yeah, no, pardon. One of my

tasks when I'm back in California is to get the cup car down off the lift, put the spare tires

in the car, get it staged, ready to go for the truck to pick it up. Great. You can take it to

a track day first? Nope. Straight in. Amazing. That's so fantastic. I'm trying to find folks to

pit with. Not there's a shortage of the kind of regional race support, but I've called a couple

of these guys and they're kind of like, yeah, we're full. Yeah, call me in a month or two,

have a better idea. So anyways, if you're listening and you want to support a cup car.

That's for Road America? Yeah. Yeah. Put the shout out here. Somebody will reach out.

Totally. I just need help with the belts on the pre-grid and maybe a little nut and bolt and that's

about it. I can't be your mechanic, but I can come help you get strapped in, Howard. I can at least

do that part. I know I remember how to do that. It's been a while, but I can probably still do

that. I'm really excited for that one. We're going to have about, gosh, 17 or 18 staffers there.

It's two nights. This is kind of first for us. So we're sponsoring the evening time. This is

largely based on you saying how amazing the downtown Elkhart Lake piece of this weekend is.

So we'll be sponsoring the downtown race car parade where all the cars come into downtown.

Yeah. Everyone takes over the downtown location and super quintessential Midwest

lake town and Seatkins is the old classic racer bar and it's an event unlike any other

that I've been doing in the U.S., honestly. And this is about seven or eight miles outside of

the racetrack down in downtown Elkhart Lake where the original course used to go through

before they built the proper race course in 1957, which is Road America. But yeah,

I'm pumped. We're sponsoring that and we've got our alumni gathering at the track, right?

The next day. Yep. That's exactly right. On the inside of the back straight,

the thing is where it's located. That's right. A lot of turns on that track. I don't know what's

turned that is. We're on grass. We're on dirt out there Midwest. It's got to be grass. It's

I remember we did an event there one time ago and I saw the gallery of that a huge grassy

knoll with all our cars spread across it. So anyway, I'm very excited. I've never visited

that circuit in my life. So this will be first time for me. I am excited about that too. Wisconsin.

I love Wisconsin. We were in Iowa and we've done some other stuff there, but this is going to be

great. It's going to be a blowout. Very excited. We also just had our Florida event, which none of

us went to, but was by all accounts, another blowout. So we're having a good run this year.

Biggest headline there. It's a 250 GTO showdown. What is that about?

Totally. Interesting. Did you hear that? No.

Guys were sending the photo around. It's like a Le Mans class 62 GT class winner at Le

Mans. I can't remember the chassis number. Was there color? Red, blue stripes. Not BAT alumni.

Not yet. Not yet. Wow. No, I don't know. Anyway, that was by all accounts amazing.

And our first time in Florida, which obviously a lot of people commented on,

we've been trying to get down there for how long? Six, seven years?

Jupiter, Florida. We made it to Jupiter, Florida.

Shout out to K2, our partner down there who set it all up and will the manager,

local partner and everyone singing the praises of will the manager there. So great stuff.

Any other event talk you want to chatter about anything else before we dive into the meat of

our convo today? What else is going on? I'm in the Netherlands for an event with our local partner

there outside of Amsterdam will be there. That is on the 17th of March also, which I think is

the same. Same date as a U.S. one. We're also doing a Euro one. This is like a small cars and

coffee sort of event that we're having over there, which we're excited about. Look for an update on

the 19th of March, 17th of May. Oh, same. Same day as the quail. Same day as the quail, like

other side of the earth. I don't think those will conflict too much. But anyway,

yeah, so cool stuff going on. I'm excited to get back over there. And then yeah, the calendar is

just rolling stuff to do. So come join us. Come meet us. If you have a suggestion for another

event, whatever you got, reach out to us. And more to announce too, in the back half of the year,

I think we're going to end up with over 10 official events this year. So pretty great stuff. And we

love obviously seeing everybody. Okay, so the meat of the convo today is a topic that Howard

just wanted to talk about for about a year. And so I didn't want to miss this opportunity of him

being in the office. Affordable 21st century performance, Howard. Tell me about how you

came up with the idea, why you wanted to chat about this? Honestly, this is just such a natural

part of our daily, weekly discussion around the office, seeing cars sell every day for,

you know, and we can define what affordable means, but I feel every single day we have stuff going

through and you say, man, like I could have bought that for $21.5. And then on the other spectrum,

there's stuff that you think is like nuts and, you know, the value prop maybe is lower. But

all of us are chatting and texting each other every week thinking about talking about

this stuff going through and kind of the evolving market and what can be had for

prices that you might think are lower than possible. So I'd love to chat about what's

on my mind for that. Alex, I think you've got a list of some sleepers there.

I do. I have a long list of things that came to my brain, but I'll preface this by saying people

are going to probably be like, oh my God, I thought of 50 other cars that are affordable from the

B5 outies today. Is a 1.8 T a performance car ready?

There's a turbo on it. It does. So it's it had a sport package.

Was it a quad car too? Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

For me, it's just like what I would consume these like kind of price dislocations in the market,

like for 15 grand is getting you into like still takes 15 to buy a nice Saturn ion red line.

Oh my God. A nice 10 year old mini Cooper S. I've got the solstice sky kind of towards the

end of my list. That's the thing to talk about. Like a hot turbo. A nice one. You're not getting

that for less than 13. By the way, this just for this is not my list of affordable classics.

My point is if you if you bump up the price point five or 10 grand, right, you get into a

right nice black black 0406 for 25 grand. Totally. I mean, in fact, maybe that's as good

a place to start as any that first thing came to my brain. I don't know if it did you guys is

Corvettes like C five C six Corvette, particularly C five. That's the first place I went. Hold on.

What year are we talking? You guys are throwing out like the names of centuries like what what

2004, 2000 to today, 2000 all the way to today. Anything in that range. Most of the stuff. Right.

So when we talk about affordability, most of the stuff that came to my brain and I looked at is

like really the 2000s and maybe the beginning of the 2010s. Because once you get into the 2020s,

those are relatively new cars. And even the like things that are maybe on the margins of

performance aren't actually that cheap. And obviously the dream is to find something with

a ton of miles, but great service history. So you get the full mileage discount to pay for any of

the service. And that's the dream. So that some of this way based on that fantasy scenario.

Correct. Some of these cars like for instance, C five, zero six range. I mean, those cars are

like all over the place. We've sold some for a C five, zero, six. We've sold some for like 60

grand, right? Because they're really, really nice ones with like a thousand miles.

Forget the new miles. Like talking about real world, you know, cars got 68,000 miles on it.

I mean, up till like 2022, a C five, zero, six, they were like 20 grand all day long,

right? Howard, for 405 horsepower.

Great. You want to talk 60 to 90 K miles. Let's start with 05 to 07 continental GTs.

I mean, oh, right. Hold on. What's the cheapest continental GT we've sold?

I have like 25 model pages. One of those for 30 grand.

Yeah, less, less. Yeah. And that's the thing about Bentley's, man. Bentley's all have miles,

which is great. A number of them. Yeah, mid 20s. And we've had some bid twos under 20.

And we've listed a lot of those with 100,000 plus on the clock.

How can you sell that car that goes for like 21,000?

Right? You want an 05 Wrangler for 20 or do you want an 05 CGT for 22?

Because that's like a real question.

That's amazing. We've had some results recently for like, you're not kidding.

Howard, like shockingly cheap.

And they haven't really moved in a long time.

Here's a Japanese market 06 Bentley continental GT in Canada for 19 grand. That was sold less

than two weeks. Dude, but you also said a Japanese market in Canada.

Howard's talking about it. He's talking about it. What a resume that car has.

The discounts. Hold on. That's the second Japanese market,

Bentley continental GT in Canada that we've sold in the last two weeks.

Who's pulling those in? What's the trade?

The other one was 24 grand. Oh, man. I just pulled up. Yeah. I mean,

there's just devastating things like a 2010 M6 for one grand.

How recently was that? It's bidding. It's got a little bit of time left.

But man, I forgot. I didn't even think about six series. That's another good one.

Oh, man. This is exactly what I opened with.

You're looking like oh, 10 M6 can get this for 11,750?

Yeah, totally. You can. Oh my goodness.

That's amazing. I mean, but everybody's gonna say,

oh, you guys are talking about it, but it's suicide, right? Like nobody'd ever do that.

I don't think that's true. I mean, you get into the non-Z06 C5.

So like I like the fixed roof coupes, the pre-Z06.

It's got the fixed roof in the shortback window, but it's not a Z06.

Nice little Z51, but a stripper.

That's still, you can still get a nice one for 10 grand right now today if you want one.

10 or 12 grand for one of those. They're all six speeds. They're 350 horsepower.

They don't weigh that much. They're all Z51s.

Some of those have been just crushed motor boaters, right?

I mean, they're just like a disaster vehicle, but some of them are great.

Some of them are just like I say, a driver, you know, 60 to 80,000 miles,

and the dude who had it or the lady who had it just drove it around.

I guess it's not that big a deal.

They built 2,000 of them. There's nice ones and rats.

Like a void.

But that's what Howard's saying. You want to find the one that's like right between the two.

It's got miles. Somebody kept it stock.

So you get the mild discount without the kind of track rat discount.

For more like luxury cars, stuff like older Panameras and S550s, even like the 0708.

S65s, like that was like a 200k car new.

I was looking at R230s, like all of the V8 folding hard top Mercedes.

Again, 15k, 12k.

Okay, 20. These are real results. I'm going through the results page.

This is today. 2012 650i convertible sport loaded 24,000 miles.

So for 25 grand.

There you go.

What's the HPs on that?

I don't know, but that's so much car.

That's a V8. It's a 650.

V everything. I don't even know.

I don't know what's in it anymore, but it doesn't matter because it's a paddle shift or whatever.

But it's a cruise around car.

And man, that's so much for 25 grand.

25 grand is like a new, what?

Anything?

Also in the...

No, I don't think you get anything for that.

Also in the 25 and under, talking about Audi S5, RS5, which is a very cool car.

Yes, it is.

Great looking car.

And I've driven, my old man had an RS5 actually.

Awesome.

I mean, you can pick up one of those with 80,000 miles for what?

19 to 22?

Probably.

I was looking at RS4s, the 0708 RS4s and...

Those are cheap.

Those are...

You can pay a lot, again, for like a low miles perfect one, but cheap for like 18, 19 grand for like a...

That's 420 horsepower revving V8 manual.

Here's a card.

Let's feel it back to performance a little bit.

This car is bright yellow, also sold today.

09370Z 6-speed.

Got them on my list.

Sold for 12.5.

Wow.

That is a super cool car.

Yes, I agree.

For 12.5?

I also think, I mean, I'm sure 350s are even cheaper, right?

The 83 Camaro beneath that sold for 17.5.

So you get the discount on the 370Z.

Price dislocations, people.

The other thing in the 370Z family, which I always liked, was a nice G37 coupe, 6-speed and finnish.

Yes, totally.

You want to talk IPL spec on those that were on 11, like those are dirt cheap.

Chewbacca exhaust.

I can still hear one of those when they go past.

You know what I'm talking about?

I do.

That Nissan is a V2.

I haven't ever heard that term, but now I know what you're talking about.

Yeah, you've heard those cars go past before.

But yeah, 370Z, I've always really liked them.

And yeah, I mean, I'm looking at them.

Here's a supercharged one for $18,000.

Here's another one.

Just on the price, though, the one that's sold today.

What an incredible view.

I know, totally.

And you know, like, 04 R32s are still pretty strong for a nice one,

but you go to like an 08, the second gen.

So what's an 04 Mark IV or 5?

Yes, the Mark V.

It was just cheap.

But then you go to the 08s.

And those are fast, too.

Fast.

What is that, a 3.2 non-turbo?

I don't even know.

I think the Mark V, I just saw on the other day,

I was talking about how rare it was.

I think it's the same powertrain.

So it's still the V6, NAV6, an all-wheel drive.

250 horsepower, something like that.

They also have a cool sound.

But that's like mid-teens.

Totally.

Maybe less with 160K on the clock.

Here's one, Howard, for you.

This is maybe one of the more oddball ones that came up for me.

The first, I always like these, the first generation CTS-V,

which is a Corvette LS2 and a six-speed and 400 horsepower

or whatever.

And I was looking those up and they're like 20 grand

for a really nice low mile one.

I thought they're less.

Oh, I'm sure you can get one with high miles for less than that.

The first gen, the interior is horrific, but those are cool cars.

It's just Corvette powertrain in a sedan

for talking about non-sports cars.

And you know what's even crazier?

A nice XLR-V is like 10 to 15 grand more than a CTS-V.

Those are a lot.

I just scrolled past one of those and I wasn't going to mention it

because the price was actually, those are pretty expensive cars.

What about a non-CTS-V 2006 one just didn't meet reserve at 30K.

I was like, wow, that's much more expensive than the sedan.

But you can get like a mid-mile XLR for like 14.

Which is, I think, essentially a C6 Corvette,

but with a North Star instead.

With a North Star instead of a LS.

XLR, that's Boca Jupiter spec.

A lot of those down.

Couple showed up at K2 last weekend.

Preferably gold.

Oh, man, that's so good.

Oh, Howard, you're dropping all kinds of heat.

I didn't think of any of these.

I have a really weird list, but none of these crossed over.

Another one that's really cheap that I was looking at are

the C-Class Mercedes-Aerats early 2000s.

That's both the Supercharged V6 or the V8 AMG version.

C32s and C55.

They're the same body, but two different engines.

I like them.

I like them too.

Here's the last four results on those.

17 grand, 7 grand, 13, 750, and 15.5.

That 7 grand one was a dog.

What happened on that one?

200,000.

Probably, but love those cars.

I like them in the V8 and the Supercharged V6.

I do.

What else, Howard?

What else comes to your brain?

If you step up the price point a little bit,

non-R, 15 to 17, GT350, those are getting cheap.

Those are dipping into the 30s now.

Oh, that's a car of always like that's the flat plane crank.

First year, first couple years.

What's that, like 17, 16, something like that?

I mean, you could get up, I think 15 was the first year

they rolled out the GT350.

Man, I've always liked those a lot.

That's for a non-R, which is what I would want anyways.

And those are cool.

Those are super cool.

In that same price point, I was looking at C6 Corvettes too.

Z06s are still, what, 40-ish for a nice one,

something like that, Howard?

For a C6 Z06, 500 horsepower, that's a 200 mile an hour car

that you can get for about 40 grand.

And I feel like the difference between like an O9 up to like a 15,

like Vets are pretty flat in those years.

So it's a ton of options and something that really pays off

if you hunt around and find the one you want.

Didn't you drive one of those, Randy?

A C6 Z06?

I've never driven one, but I always liked a C6 Z06.

I didn't drive a Z06.

Oh, your family friend had one.

Oh, OK.

I drove a normal one.

I turroed one in LA.

You remember when I did that?

No.

Yeah, I turroed it.

Just a standard C6?

Yeah.

With an auto or a standard?

No, a stick.

Interesting.

Yeah, it was fantastic.

I mean, those cars are like 11.5 in the quarter,

like 3.2 seconds of 16, something like 200 miles an hour,

and you can have it for 40 grand.

It's crazy.

Another thing that may be as scary as a C32 or C55

is like 0203 Aston DB7s.

Oh, that's before the V8 comes out.

Is that right?

Certainly in the 20s.

And like, pretty cool car.

Or you can get like a later like DB9 Vert, Volante 07-8.

And that's still kind of 25.

30ish?

Vantages were pretty cheap for a while.

I don't know if that's changed.

Where's the market there, Howard?

Uh, a little bit.

They were mid-20s.

07-08 are a little more expensive.

Zach could probably tell us why.

But the earlier ones 0506 are cheaper.

They kind of start at 30.

One of the other things that I kept thinking about

as I was looking through cars is what are the makes

and models where you get the big discount for Vert or Auto?

Right?

So I was looking at 996s.

And they go for nothing.

Totally.

Yes.

Totally.

If you can live with the convertible or the automatic or both,

then it's like half what a six-speed or a coupe is worth.

That's an interesting question.

I like that.

Yeah, 996 is one where I was thinking about it.

There are a couple cars where you get the Tiptronic discount

or the convertible discount.

I mean, RS4 cabs, maybe you're part of that.

Totally.

I don't think I could be seeing any one of those.

I know that's tough.

But could you do RS4 Vert ready or do you need sedan?

Uh, I don't know if I can do that.

You can do that if you have, I don't know,

beach house somewhere and some sort of reason.

But come on, RS4 sedan.

Or you want to spend 12, 13 grand?

Can't get a nice little, like you made late 2000s Z4 Roadster,

even with a three-liter?

Yes.

It's not a bad car.

That's also coupe and Vert.

Can you get the non-M coupe for about the same as the Vert?

But the crazy thing, if you step into like a really nice Z4M,

like 0607, then you might be paying two or three X

what the stripper Z4 is.

So is that worth it?

Well, maybe Randy's enough of being doing it.

So there's a high-revving version of that three-liter non-M engine

that makes more power in those.

It's like 250 horse or something.

Yeah, they have like an IS version in a lot of different models,

including the Z4s, I think, right?

You could get like this sport model.

Were you at BMW still when those came out?

What year are we talking?

05?

Oh, everything I was.

I didn't leave until 2010.

OK, interesting.

So yeah, I was around for the release of those cars,

driving them around, cruising them around, fixing them.

How about Howard, you were talking about some kind of a red line

Saturn, but the Saturn Sky red lines are dirt cheap.

So are solstices.

Solstices are under 10 grand.

Yeah, just got me a knee on SRT4, man.

Those are still cool.

No mufflers.

Those are a lot now.

Nice ones a lot.

I don't think those are still cool.

No?

Do I have one?

Cool.

I will concede that they were cool at one time, but.

Maybe the memory is better than.

Is that like an adult riding a BMX bike?

Like BMX bikes are cool, but you see an adult on it

and you're kind of like.

That has to be a T-Dater.

That's a problem.

That's fair.

Right?

Is that his child's car?

I love them.

I'm not degrading it, just like I'm not degrading BMX bikes,

but like that thing was a moment in time, right?

And it's like, I don't know.

It's tricky.

Sometimes that's a tricky balance to walk.

Or a nice little city car.

Are we good?

Like for you, you have a kid coming up getting his license soon.

This is maybe not for him, but like a little stripper,

BMW 128 coupe, six-speed.

Those are great cars.

We're more than new dads.

In the family.

My dad, my sister, all my big believers in the one series.

Yeah.

I let Nadenbergs back.

His was blue and it was a.

Normally asked, not a turbo car, right?

Yeah, I don't know.

I think that may be a turbo.

But anyway, those are pretty cool.

Does he still has it?

Oh, yeah.

Interesting.

I'll drive that thing forever.

That's amazing.

Is it a sticker or an automatic?

It's an auto.

That's great.

And then if it speaks to you, there's like a ton of options.

And they're like, oh, nine to 15 challenger Camaro world.

Oh, man.

I don't know if we're ready to go there and probably wouldn't

be near the top of my list, but you can get a lot of car in those eras.

Educate us.

What's the it was a 392.

What's the biggest motor you can get for?

Oh, man, you can go.

You can go with or without the scat pack.

That might be a little later.

That's your favorite, Alex.

I love a scat.

A little scat challenger.

Yeah, that's right.

But yeah, I mean, they only made what five million of those combined.

So no wonder that they're readily available.

What happens to the two of you when I say the word Chrysler crossfire?

I was just looking at one.

Were you really?

Do you see the one that sold like two days ago?

No, I didn't see that one.

But do you know how many we've listed?

How if you had to guess how many crossfires?

Yeah, I mean, I would guess 38.

I would say more like 200.

Yeah, how many right in between you guys?

142 crossfires have been on bring a trailer and coups,

verts, SRTs, all the different.

I'm not subscribed to that category.

So I don't keep a finger on the pulse on that category,

but I just did scroll by.

I'm trying to look at this era and actual results that have happened on BET and

when sold for what, like 13.5 and it's perfect.

I mean, yes, there's also they came in a stick.

So this was yesterday, a 37,000 mile non SRT, just normally aspirated one,

but with a six speed, a coupe sold for $9,500.

I don't love crossfire.

Another question is, yeah, what's the mileage threshold on a crossfire to get a reserve?

It's low.

It might be 6,000 or less.

Oh, that's a little market insight right there.

The last one with a reserve was in January.

So we've had four, eight, 12.

That's a tough car to roll in and say, I got to get my number.

We've had 15 straight at no reserve.

So props to the curation team.

The SRT, I believe, is the same engine as that C32.

I think it's the Super Church V6 out of that Mercedes.

I think it's the same motor.

Yep.

05 crossfires and 01 Cherokees needing an 18.5 reserve is a fast track to not selling.

But that's a conversation we have to have clearly quite often with 142 having been on the site.

Truth.

Truth bombs.

One car we haven't brought up yet is Miata NC's or probably the buy.

What do you think, Howard?

Tell me more.

What era is the NC again?

Previous to the current one.

So this is, I think, about 05 to 15, maybe something like that.

The one I like is the one that has the power retractable hard top.

And I think you can get a nice one of those in the teens or even maybe around 10 grand.

First gen Miata's are like nice ones are on par with NC's now.

That's funny to think about.

And it's cheaper even than the 1990 cars, which is fascinating.

Right.

What's a great 04 Mazda Speed?

I mean, that might be 25.

Oh, they're probably up, right?

Oh, my.

People want those, right?

That's the second gen still with the turbo on it.

Randy, what are you scrolling past right now?

I'm scrolling past all sorts of results that are just magical.

Oh, nine sob, nine three sport.

Vert.

Oh, next three.

Oh, interesting.

What's up?

Yellow sold for 17.

I mean, it seems like all these cars, there's like a 10 grand, 22 five,

which is a 90% swath of the market.

Yes.

So many of these cars that we're listing.

Like if you have 18 grand to spend on a car, like the world is yours.

Totally.

Go get whatever you want.

It's your oyster.

Which is so crazy.

Turbos or V8s or sedans or convertibles or whatever you want.

A couple of other cars on my list that are right squarely in that zone are first gen WRX.

It's not STIs, but just the wagon or sedan in the normal WRX.

I can get a nice one for in that price range.

V70 and S60Rs.

That's another one.

You can get those with that weird manual transmission.

V70Rs hold their value incredibly well.

Guys come in with a 170,000 mile car and it's still 17.5 all day.

But they're like always 17.5, right?

That's like the permanent number for them.

That's why this topic.

I love so much because there's all these forgotten models and we're like 40 minutes in.

We're like, dude, sub nine threes.

You know exactly.

Yeah.

What's a good bigot?

What's a bigot?

I've always wanted a bigot.

Viggans are on that one.

If you had a low mile Viggin, you'll get 35 for that one.

Whoa.

But like a nine three turb six speed like is a cool car.

Isn't a cool car?

It's cool enough.

And it's 15 to 50.

I still I'm holding two really weird ones in reserve.

What else do you guys got?

Oh, you want us to try to guess?

So what's the country of origin and era?

They're both Japanese and they're both kind of forgotten.

And one of them we've only listed two ever.

Is one a Honda product?

No, neither are Honda products.

Are you going weird?

Oh, like where are you going?

It's a bishi.

It's not a mitzvah.

You know what's I looked up?

Evo Evo's hold their value.

Evo's are pretty expensive actually for what they are.

I think kind of an STI is get a lot of money to know.

So one of them and this is really weird.

I don't even know how it will probably remember this.

This is from reading too many car mags in the aughts.

Is the Ultima S-E-R, the Nissan Ultima S-E-R,

which was like the fastest front wheel drive car of the day.

It's like have we ever listed them?

Two only.

Oh, OK.

They're six-speed only 300 horsepower front wheel drive.

They've probably all rusted into the earth.

We've had two.

One sold for 16 grand, 44,000 mile.

And the other one.

16k something for that car.

That was in 23.

And then we listed one in October of last year

that didn't meet reserve at 9 grand.

What was sticker on those new?

I wonder.

Oh, I bet the 44k mile car has the window sticker.

If I went and looked at it,

I bet they were about 35 grand would be my guess.

That's so much money.

We don't have the window sticker on that one.

That's so much money for one of those.

I mean, it was like the top of the line Nissan product.

You know what I mean?

That was like a 350Z motor, but sideways.

More Chewbacca.

Talking about Japanese and a ton of car for the money

is first year ISFs.

Oh, what are those down?

I really like those.

Forgotten, forgotten gem.

Those are forgotten gem.

We haven't listed one in a while.

What was that?

Maybe 08 that came out?

I think that's right.

They've got the stacked exhaust.

That's what I always remember.

I'm always looking for it.

It's actually kind of hard to tell one apart from a regular IS.

IS 300 was great.

Totally.

Chrono dash.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

The WAGs and then manuals, manual WAGs.

Glass weirdo one that I'm holding in my back pocket.

And these are quite cheap.

Is the Mazda Speed 6?

Oh, yeah.

Remember those?

All-wheel drive Mazda 6 with a pretty big turbocharged four cylinder.

And I think they're manual only.

Mazda Speed 3 also could be just absolutely crazy torque steer on those.

Not in a good way.

But the Speed 6 is interesting.

Cool was behind the scenes at Mazda Speed.

We should, whoever knows in the BAT community,

like who was the product manager for Mazda Speed

and argued with people to get those cars to go to market.

We want to interview them.

And then it got fired.

It totally got, yeah.

Got run out of town.

Like Zoom, Zoom, the whole thing.

Like we want to talk to that person.

I would love to pick their brain about how that worked.

Mazda Speed 3 is a great, I hadn't even thought about that.

I totally want to talk to that person.

Totally.

I love the Mazda brand.

I'm such a fan.

Damn, man.

Do you remember reading the articles about these hours?

They had to limit the torque in like first and second gear

to try to handle that horrible torque steer.

I just remember when I was an employee at Con Driver Magazine in 2011-2012,

we had like the new Mazda Speed 3 and I'd drive that around

and didn't love it.

But it was cool.

And you love it.

I was put off by the torque.

Maybe I was just being a 22-year-old moron and like stopping on the gas

and like feeling like it was unwieldy.

I mean, the last four of these that we've sold, 08 Mazda Speed 3, 7,200 bucks.

Original owner, 2010 Mazda Speed 3, 7,800 bucks.

Original owner, 2010 Mazda Speed, another one for 4,800.

That's too cheap.

And then a 30,000 mile 07 Mazda Speed 3 for 13.

Yes.

I just to put a pin on that, like in 2011, I think I more frequently jumped

in the Nissan Juke 6-speed, which was a delightful car.

Oh, that's interesting.

I'm glad the Speed 3's in there.

Take that back.

Have we ever listed a Juke?

Tell me we've never.

Oh, I'm sure we have.

I'm sure we have.

It's another sleeper, man.

I don't even know if we have, have we?

Well, they made some race cars and stuff, didn't they?

No, not out of that.

We've listed a Juke box.

Some of that.

We've never listed a Juke.

Oh, right.

That reputation is still intact.

Is your face restored in power?

Yes.

Yes, it is still intact.

Thank you, curation department.

That's rare to find a model with zero results.

Totally.

When my wife was pregnant with our first kid

and I had to sell my S2000, I was like,

hey, take a look at this car.

And I showed her a Juke with a 6-speed and a turbo.

And she was like, no, thank you.

Not interesting.

High five for her next time I see her.

Totally.

Come on, that Nismo badge didn't do it justice.

Totally, totally.

I think Randy brought this up.

We haven't talked about it.

We should, even though it's such an obvious answer.

But boxsters are so cheap.

Randy, you were saying $9,000 for a Boxster S?

I don't follow them super close.

Let's pull that up.

They bought them and are going back up.

Why are they going back up?

But there's got to be some generation

that's still in free hold.

A non-S986 is still really cheap for a nice one.

But even an S is like $15,000 for a nice one for a 986.

And then even 987s aren't that bad, right?

Howard came in and Boxster.

Yeah, but is owning a 97 Boxster with some miles.

Is that a death sentence?

That's all right.

So here's a question.

All of these are fascinating.

And again, huge swath of them is between 10 and 20 grand.

But is there any one of these that they're not on the down slide?

Because they all got here because they were on the down slide.

But are any of these you buy it?

And like in 10 years people are going to be like,

I can't believe you got that car.

Or is everybody going to be, they're on the downside

and they're still making their way to 2 grand.

Crossfires might be on the down side.

They're headed to 2 grand.

It's just you're catching it all the way down.

Are these bottomed out and are going places?

Your first gen CTSV today, I mean, are those ever going to be 30?

I don't know.

I mean, some of these cars we're talking about

because I think we can't imagine that it ever go lower.

And that's why we're like, they're jumping off the page.

I go back to a super nice C5, C6, 06.

Is that poised for some appreciation?

Or they made so many of them that this is just their natural resting place.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, there's a finite number of really good ones at some point, right?

And that probably turns things around.

People start getting excited about the good ones.

And then the mediocre ones kind of get lifted by the same forces.

0203 DB7 Vantage Coupe 6-speed.

I think that's a car like if that was 4550 grand in a couple of years.

Is anyone going to look at that cross-eyed?

Probably not.

Yeah, I don't know.

Is there anything that comes to your mind that's still on the down slide?

That's not a solstice or a crossfire?

I would say your Ultima call, those are headed for the boneyard.

And those are going straight down.

There's none of those.

There's none that they don't exist.

I mean, I think they built a ton of boxers, right?

And so they get dragged up by the rest of the

9996 is used to be cheap.

And I thought we would have a discussion about 9996 is here.

And it's like, actually, it's like 30 grand for like a nice C2 coupe,

like non-GT, non-turbo.

But that can't be 15 grand anymore, right?

They're not.

It can't be.

They're not.

But there's still a lot of them.

But it also shouldn't be.

I mean, it's agreed.

But I think that's not cheap performance anymore, right?

No, not cheap anymore.

S281 Celine Mustang.

Is that good performance per dollar?

Fuel economy does not score points.

But everything else does.

Radio take two, please.

That's interesting.

Like Tudor tech cars.

I was excited to hear you say that the flat plane crank Mustang,

the GT350s are cheaper because I've always really liked those.

Yes.

That's a great one.

What else, boys?

I'm just scrolling through the Boxster category.

It's like whiplash.

You hit like a 2024, and it's like $200,000 for some special stuff.

And then you're like 8,300 for a 2,000 Boxster 5-speed.

Totally.

8,300, dude.

Yes.

It's sold last week.

You can still get them cheap.

It's a good spec, and it's 8,300 bucks.

Yep.

Yep, yep, yep.

If you'll take the 5-speed, the 5-speed non-S.

Oh, yeah, I didn't look.

I didn't look.

Yeah, because here's one that's like, I can't even imagine,

it got through on the website, and it's because it's a Tiptronic.

Yeah.

So for $41,000.

There you go.

That's unbelievable.

But what's amazing about that car is for $4,100,

that's still a mid-engine Porsche chassis

with a Porsche 6-cylinder in it.

And it's a convertible.

I mean, it's pretty wild.

That is wild.

Yeah.

$4,000.

Yep.

Is that a performance car?

It is.

Yeah, absolutely.

Okay.

Absolutely.

You're skeptical.

I think absolutely.

No, it is.

I agree with you.

Great topic, Howard.

I feel like we could go on forever about it.

There's probably so many things that people are thinking of

that we didn't even know.

Yeah.

I want to hear about it because I'm telling you,

that is a huge swath of what's going through both BAT

and just out in the market.

When Howard first brought this up,

the first thing I thought of is like, what's the maximum,

like his performance can mean a bunch of things, right?

Like that Tiptronic Boxster would still probably be

pretty fun on a back road.

But what's the like most HP you can get for the cheapest?

That, what was it, an M6 for 9 grand?

That's like 500 horsepower for 9 grand or whatever?

Like that's crazy.

We need that as a leaderboard on BAT.

Like dollars per HP.

Dollars per HP.

You used to think that like bad old muscle cars

with huge V8s and number something,

but now it's this era.

It's like 2000s twin turbo V8, whatever.

Mercedes AMG.

Yeah, it sells for 7,100 bucks, right?

Like that's got to be where the HP per dollar is.

Yeah, or a little high.

What would be like a beater like 09 GTR?

Talking about twin-turb.

I guess that's six-cylinder.

Oh, that's interesting.

GTR?

Oh, Nissan GTR.

Those aren't cheap though, are they?

I don't know.

They're not 20s, but I don't know that we've had a 16-year-old one.

We've had some newer ones.

It used to be that you could get,

when I first worked here, 996 turbos were pretty cheap,

especially with a Tiptronic that's kind of over,

but that was a lot.

That's performance for pretty cheap dollars.

All right, what's that?

That's an R35.

What's our lowest R35 result?

Under 50?

They sell for under 50.

And those have how many horsepower?

Oh, 600 horsepower, something like that hard?

About 50, maybe?

Crazy.

And then, yeah, people pump them up to 900 plus.

Our most recent one is a modified 09.

It's sold for 56.

And if it's modified, you know it's HP.

Yeah, because that's a little heavy.

That's a little outside of our affordable discussion.

But it is interesting.

I mean, once you start talking about dollars per HP.

I think that's a hilarious metric.

I wonder if that should be under every photo on VAT,

is dollars per HP.

Then you have to add the fear factor to it.

Like if it's a, you know.

Then you have a 21-window bus, which is 200 grand for 39 horsepower.

Totally.

That one is in the different.

Or something like first gen Cayenne Turbo.

Those are aging well, I think.

And some not insignificant HP.

Totally.

Stats.

Totally.

Cayenne GTS six speeds, like those bottom last year.

And people are scooping those up for under 20 with a ton of miles.

But that's a legit cool sport activity vehicle.

Totally.

I took my mom to a Porsche of San Luis Obispo this weekend.

What the heck for?

Well, she wants a new car and she wants a BMW X3.

And I was like, at least go drive a Macan.

And interestingly, both the BMW dealership and the Porsche dealership have no new inventory.

So they've moved their used inventory out front so that it doesn't look like their

dealership is empty.

Interesting.

Why can't they get in the inventory?

Because everyone's scared of the tariff.

So they've stopped shipping cars.

So, uh, totally.

Time to buy used cars.

Time to buy old boxers.

At the BMW dealership, they were drooling.

They were like so excited to make a sale.

But at the Porsche dealership, they were a little more calm and even keeled.

What does she want?

You're going to get her a Macan or something?

She was like very skeptical of it.

And then she drove one and she was like, oh, this is two year old Macan.

Yeah, probably.

They have a couple new ones still.

But she loved it.

Had a Mojave beige interior.

Mojave.

So it was a client who'd ordered, but then they didn't take delivery.

It was a $97,000 four cylinder Macan.

She'd have got like every option you can get.

Wow.

I know.

Wild.

My mom's still driving her 17 Macan S.

That's like $50,000.

Talk about something.

Great if we're helping the Macan marker right now because everybody's mom driving.

Is that what that rig is?

Honestly?

Fantastic car though.

They are fantastic.

I'm getting a little scared of it now.

I mean, it's coming up on 10 years.

I don't think that age as well.

But maybe the fourth Thunder would be better.

I ran one in Palm Springs and I loved it.

I was like ready to convert like the Handeros Institute for your mom.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

She took it into the dealer.

She's like, isn't too car literate, but in a nice way.

And they gave her an estimate and told her she needed brakes and rotors.

And they wrote her up like an $18,000 RO.

She was like, you should take a look at this.

Like, should I do this?

I was like, do not do not do this.

Whatever you do.

This is Mill Valley.

This is Sonnen, formerly Sonnen.

Of course, it's still called Sonnen or Sonnen.

They cashed out.

It's who's who.

And now it's just Porsche Marin.

Porsche Marin.

They're like, we can't get first inventory, but we'll make money.

18 Gs for a set of brake pads.

Okay.

But how many little ladies in Marin County are going in there?

And they're like, all right.

Yeah, great.

Do that.

Yep.

Valve cover gasket.

Sure.

I can have another four grand.

Motor mounts, transmission mount.

Our whole conversation has basically been about how you can spend $18,000.

Very different way.

She could get a Boxster for that.

Or she could get her Matan service.

Four.

Tiptronic Boxsters.

Just every time one breaks, you throw the dubster and you go.

That actually be an amazing driveway.

It's four Tiptronic Boxsters and you're all in under 20.

Or get the brake service, Dr. McCotton.

Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

But yeah, the other part of this whole convo today is like, yeah,

what happens when something goes wrong and you get your service bill,

that's basically equivalent to your price of entry.

100%.

That's a factor in some of the worst case scenario occurring there.

But it happens.

Welcome to Volkswagen ownership.

Totally.

The first thing that Randy brought up, that like BMW that's all cheap,

or the AMGs that I brought up,

it's because people are anticipating that first service bill.

Totally.

B5A4 by the car for six grand.

First repair bill, 9,500.

It's like it's clockwork.

You've bought their car twice.

Yeah, but they're so good.

Well, that's why you get in so cheap, right?

Oh, that's fantastic.

Well done.

I think we did this top of justice, Alex.

I think we did it.

But I think we still want to hear from the audience

of all the things we were missing.

What are we missing?

I don't know.

I mean, we said GM, right?

We said all the vets.

I don't really know Camaros of that era.

Is there a cheaper way to go 200 miles an hour than a C606?

Two hundo.

Do those M5 and M6s, they go almost that fast,

I think, if you take the limiter out.

Those 500 horsepower V10 cars?

Sure.

I mean, sure, they're capable.

The question is, where do you pull that off?

I'm curious about those kinds of statistics.

Also, I think Howard mentioned these,

those twin-turbo AMG Mercedes with 700 pound feet of torque.

Like, these wild things that were so expensive

when they were new and are so cheap now.

Bentley Cotton LGT is another interesting example of that.

What are we missing?

Maybe mid-2000s, what, Lincoln LS V8?

Those?

I think they made those with a manual.

Oh, yeah.

That's people right there.

The one that was the same platform as a Jaguar S-Type.

And a Ford Thunderbird.

Oh, gosh.

The V8 Thunderbird, retro Thunderbird,

a car that did not come up in this description

because I don't know if that's a performance car.

But those are cool.

I like those a lot.

There's cheap Jags.

Like, what is the supercharged V8 XKR?

Those are probably super cheap, right?

One of those sold yesterday.

You scrolled.

I was just looking.

Yeah, I was looking when I was scrolling.

I didn't bring them.

Yeah, I mean, XKR, XK8, XJ, not XK, XJ, sedan.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And those are cheap.

But the XKs, the VIRT sports car thing,

is like 375 horsepower.

Remember last year when we had that crazy run of those XJR

portfolio editions that all went for like 90 to 100K plus?

I don't know what that was about,

or maybe we haven't had those since.

But that was like a moment in time.

There was like a run on the market of the portfolio.

Yeah.

I had one.

Again, XKR portfolio, VIRT, and that's like a cool cheap car.

Yeah.

That's also Jupiter, Boca spec.

Totally.

They're all down there.

Great stuff.

Well, Howard, it's a great topic.

I appreciate you bringing it to this table.

I'm sorry it took so long for us to get to it,

but it's a good one.

We miss high mile Panos Esperantes,

and what else did we miss?

Oh my gosh.

Do we have that offer?

You know that's, you can pick one of those up for under 30.

When I was looking at results,

I was kind of trying to go right down the middle,

but there's a whole other thing where it's like,

this is a car that's actually usually pretty expensive,

but if you find the right example of it, it gets cheap.

There's that Ram SRT-10 four-door with miles.

Those are, I think, having a bottoming event.

Such a narrow, deep cut.

I love that.

The two doors still bring some cash,

but people don't really want the four doors.

The four doors, yeah.

Yeah, that's great.

Well, thanks gentlemen.

I appreciate you doing this.

It's great.

For all of you who listen, we would love to hear what we missed.

There's a lively discussion to be continued here, I think.

And we appreciate, as always, your listenership.

Please send any feedback or additional, uh-oh, A-barth 500s.

That's a cool looking car, I think.

Another no muffler car.

Another exhaust that could be a problem.

SRT Neon.

2013, just to tell everybody, 2013 Fiat A-barth 500,

17,000 miles on it, white, white wheels, red mirror caps.

That's a cool car.

Oh, I thought of that.

I thought I was going to get some retribution from you,

so I kept mums the word, but you like those.

I think that's a cool car.

I like them.

You can hear them.

They're boring in some colors, but this one,

I mean, if that was parked outside, you're like, okay,

that doesn't look like a Kia like everything else that's sold today.

You know, that looks like it's actually interesting.

I think they're cool.

I've always liked them.

Or a question for the audience,

where does a first year Bentayga bottom?

We have not seen it yet.

I think those might-

Where is it today?

I mean, it's rapidly declining.

I think those might bottom in like the Flow 50s,

when that's all said and done.

Holy moly.

Why would they bottom?

Like, why don't they go to 30?

Exactly.

And then 20, and then 10.

Maybe 50 is too generous.

Okay, yeah.

That's interesting.

That's on the same depreciation curve as those like SL65s and S65s.

17 or 18 V8 Bentayga.

Look out.

What was the sticker on those when they were like 300?

They made the 12 cylinders and a bunch of other trim packages,

but it was a lot.

Or just buy a Hyundai Genesis SUV and it basically looks like it.

I still get those confused running around in York when I see one.

And on that note, thank you for listening.

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