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hello and welcome to this carpod I'm
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kenon I'm felipo and there's a lot to
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talk about today let's get right into it
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starting with the news Jaguar noted
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automaker that does not build any cars
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cars it's a record Jaguar announced a
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couple of months ago that they're taking
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some time off of building cars like a
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like someone who graduates from a
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strenuous college would maybe take a
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year off to to be a ski instructor in
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Veil so but Jaguar classic which is
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apparently something has built two e
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types for a very wealthy customer in
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Southeast Asia and they're the First new
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e types that they've built since you
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know the 70s here's an interesting thing
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that I think yeah this wealthy person in
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Southeast Asia the E type is the most
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frequently restored easiest to find car
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that's the thing he inste like what did
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they charge this dude they probably
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charged him the worth of Revenue that
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they're missing from not building cars
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yeah a brilliant move actually they
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should just they they knew what they
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were doing they should just build
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one-offs for Rich Hong Kong people
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what's fascinating is a couple years ago
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five years ago 10 years ago I don't know
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they did some like Restorations where
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they took an ex like jaguar themselves
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fully restored and kind of called it a
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new version of it this was ground up
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ground up the actual thing apparently it
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took 2,000 hours of work which lets do
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some math 2,000 hours of work how much
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did you charge some of this stuff is
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probably they had to create you know
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from the right the if it really was
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ground up like nobody's making wire
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wheels in it how do they even get etc
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etc like you can get through all that
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what's interesting is you know $500 an
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hour I don't know what Jaguar would
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charge for their consulting fee what's
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that a million a million yeah oh they
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charge a lot more than that they charge
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a lot more than a million so that's a
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more lucrative than selling F Paces this
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lead yeah this leads to the obvious not
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selling FB other this leads to the
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obvious question which is would they
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but with the the actual desired engine
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well maybe with a V12 maybe with the
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scissor doors or maybe just an x220
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priced correctly which is at the like
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$140,000 Mark I'll bet you the answer is
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no um but it is interesting I also think
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I have two thoughts on this one is like
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it clearly has to show off what glare
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classic division can do the fact they
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can build from the ground up two new
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examples is pretty wild Porsche did a
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similar thing with the 993 a couple
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years ago Aston Martin did a thing too
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with the I think the DB5
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but the other thing to me is like here's
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a chance to own a reliable e type Rel e
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type yeah imagine you one would think
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I'm very well could be wrong but one
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would think with modern technology
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putting these cars together they're
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Better Built than maybe they were doing
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when this car was it say they're
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electronic fuel injection and 5speed
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manual they have a uh Bluetooth now I
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noticed their right-and Drive which
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probably is Hong Kong so maybe you'll
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see if you live in Hong Kong maybe
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you'll see them driving around now
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Porsche keeps making career GT updates
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like if you can send them your career GT
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and they'll update it mhm really how
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much they are heinous every single one
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they've made has been the most heinous
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thing you could possibly imagine like
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green with green wheels and green seats
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and green shift lever and a yellow
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steering wheel you have a duty to our
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listeners to call Porsche and say hey I
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have a courage to you cuz you do huh and
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be like charge how much would it charge
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they'd be like well if you want it green
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with green seats we still got some of
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that lying around yep if you want
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heinous with heinous heus over heus
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because back in the crow GT was new
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there wasn't a lot of personalization
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stuff and so not a lot of people did it
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and now that personalization has become
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like the big thing with Porsche uh all
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these rich guys are like I want to make
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mine green with green seats and they
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they're too rich to stop themselves The
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Taste the taste does not factor in and E
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Porsche announces every like year or so
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we did another one and it's like oh
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that's even worse than last year they're
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all terrible okay what's our next new
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story oh my god wow okay all right there
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are a lot of cars that are dead for 2025
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dead for 25 I would like to go through a
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list all right go through the list yeah
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I've already read the list and it's an
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amazing list it's every Maserati have
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you noticed that I haven't looked their
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list in the days Car and Driver
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publishes a list every year of the cars
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that are dead and we've we've pulled it
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up because it's very interesting all
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right what do you got what do you got do
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you want to guess any uh I it is
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literally every Maserati except for the
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G and the Grand Turismo and the mc20 but
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like the quatro is gone the Levante is
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gone the gibli is gone which was like
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their bread and butter cars how's the
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lante gone right it's the only moer I
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see around yeah it was the answer is it
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was on sale for a while and they can't
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afford to redesign it so it's just gone
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what else what else is on this list the
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Audi A5 S5 RS5 the two doors the two
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doors there's a new uh sport back which
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is a replacement for the A4 right
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they're still going to go with those um
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and bad news for kenon the Chiron no
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longer for sale yes going to be replaced
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tour yes p16 is opposed to a w they do
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customers bad news for people that just
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enlisted in the Army the Camaro is no
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longer available starting in
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2025 not wrong Camaro's gone but they're
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going to redesign it and come out with
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another one soon hopefully it'll be an
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SUV I'm trying to think about what they
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will actually build so they're going to
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do another one will they yeah they'll do
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another one the Mustang's still going
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strong they'll do another Camaro um
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there are two Ferrari models that are
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gone yes superseded it would be the 812
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and I'm getting the f8 I assume the f8
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spider yeah the very lose yes I will'll
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give you one more do you want to keep
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going this is interesting what else you
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got uh the Mirage yeah the Mirage is
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gone finally took 15 years very sadly
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the mini Clubman the mini Clubman is
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gone dead man when is that brand just
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done I haven't seen any new Mini EVS
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around have you they're going to cut
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growth uh if you remove products that
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nobody buys fundamentally but the
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problem is nobody has any of their
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products and so all these dealerships
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remember the let's motor they had all
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those cool ads they had a great little
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game on their website that was like a
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little goart thing yeah um when when is
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the Clubman coming to the no sorry when
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is the countrymen coming to the US
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that's is it not already here the new
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one I don't think so the new one yeah I
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don't know it's not a beautiful vehicle
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it's not beautiful I saw them in Europe
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this summer they they they're okay I
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always loved the countrymen because
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people hate it CU it's like mini but
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it's big why is it so big but it's like
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a crossover is inherently boring and
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that one isn't and so if you're going to
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get a crossover that's like fun to drive
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wasn't you think the new one is it's got
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bigger well and uglier well you ever you
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ever seen a you ever seen what a new
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Countryman looks like no you ever seen a
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Tucson yeah it's beautiful it has the
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like the grill things and the the the
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things Grill things I that is both
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insane and oh there were some for sale
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there were some for sale that doesn't
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look so bad doesn't look as bad as I
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remember the rear is not great though I
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think if I recall yeah look to the left
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there yeah it's not it's not it's not as
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good as it was but it's still like what
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are you going to get a Mazda cx30 I kind
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of get like tell your ride
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AOS you going to get a Kia SOS I would
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you would God you drive around the truck
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the Nissan Titan is gone the Titan's
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finally gone it came out 05 20 years
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Nissan tried to participate and for 20
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years the market said no and for 20
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years they tried and now they're finally
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done uh I will give you one I'll give
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you two last ones CU they're ones I care
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a lot about the GTR the GTR is dead the
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hurant uh yep um F type all Jags to be
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type types right back on a Toyota is
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dead you want to guess what it is uh ven
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correct well done the Vendo is dead that
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lasted for God kenon is a shame care
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about us and our things we care We Care
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a Lot what else what else give us give
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more it's isn't really dead it's just
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been renamed the kiaforte the Forte is
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now called the K4 and I've seen them
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around yeah same they're also not
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beautiful vehicles um Kon you don't care
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about these cars are dead kenon dead
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never return the VIN said they they did
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one it was bad people bought it but it
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was bad they canel it they came out with
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it again it was bad people people didn't
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buy it and they canel it oh okay you
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nature going to be a survival
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die you know now of course like the cars
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that I care about are just superseded
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they're just replaced by their success
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list of cars that are dead is always I'm
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always SK the hurant isn't dead it's
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byan yeah but Jaguar dead we can all
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agree Jaguar Infinity basically dead the
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Q50 is on this list oh yeah that's right
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the Q50 is gone but the Cima is a little
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sad let me ask you a question should the
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GTR have been an Infinity like the NSX
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was an Aira no that was the correct
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marketing decision I no I I think I
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think it was the right move but remember
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when the NSX was an Aira I do and it
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could have been a Honda like it was
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everywhere else right but it was an Aira
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same with the same with the with the
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Acura Integra besides that RSX Acura
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that's that Honda Inspire Honda wind
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what do you need from me the TS was sold
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as the cord in every other Market well e
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the CSX remember those yes you remember
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the accurate CSX of course it's the
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yep what kind of question is that
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um the the the the the non GTR Skyline
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was of course the G35 G37 which was an
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Infinity so why didn't they give us I
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bet the GTR fans been an Infinity would
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sold 10x would still be going
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today they weren't ready to ramp up
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Infinity badge production to that that
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quantity right they they're only ready
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to make 14 to 18 of them a year yep uh
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okay give us the next thing what's the
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next thing o some sort of uh thei su7
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this is a Chinese Porsche tyon it
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absolutely and guess why it is in the
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news today without looking at our
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document no it is in the news I saw this
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tweet the CEO of Ford said he's driving
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around in one I thought he said he was
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in an SUV he had been you think cuz it's
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su7 that it would be the SUV so he the
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the the I mean that's s looks like a V
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like when you flip it oh oh that's I see
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it's like a boomerang I mean like it's
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what you would name an SUV you be honest
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you agree with me um Jim Farley who a CO
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Ford I wouldn't name anything the shomi
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su7 well they make a lot of cell phones
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they made sense at the time um no matter
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what that's what I would name anv uh so
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so Jim Farley said he's driving around
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in this car he was in the news a month
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or so ago because he went to China on a
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trip and came back and said my God the
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Chinese are building way better cars BV
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than we are y they brought over I don't
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know six nine months ago 10 a year ago
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this su7 as a like test vehicle as as
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manufacturers do right they buy cars
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from competitors J he said in an
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interview this week that uh he spent the
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last six months pretty much daily
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driving that U7 and loves
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it it's interesting though like it's a
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great I think it's a great sign that it
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manufacturer especially one that is as
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internationally notable as Ford is they
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sell cards all over the world it's
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important that they are aware of
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competitors outside of the Chevy Equinox
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EV right I mean Detroit Detroit is a
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bubble and this is as far to the bubbl
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as you can get I agree with Farley about
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Chinese electric cars you know it's
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interesting everybody's all Tesla Tesla
11:17
but in China it's what is it B Fang what
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is the company that that that is so
11:22
popular what is it not about I had that
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one oh yeah yeah yeah the Builder Dre
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okay we'll go back to we'll we'll do
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some creative editing I think that was
11:33
acceptable okay but anyway um but
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everybody's like Tesla Tesla in China
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byd is like this hot thing and they have
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all these cars yeah and they have all
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sorts of tech yeah and I I'm on all
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sorts of Chinese car Instagrams and I
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love them and they there's a lot of cool
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cars in China there's a lot of cool cars
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and it used to be that like you had to
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sell in North America if you wanted to
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be a really successful automaker because
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the market was so large and so like the
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French companies were never going to be
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like like at that level of success cuz
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they weren't selling here now the
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Chinese companies can just ignore
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America their Market there is so large
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they don't care if we buy their cars or
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not they don't need if you're successful
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in China that's really all you need to
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be yeah because there's all these
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regulatory requirements and all these
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other markets and it's interesting that
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Farley thought this was a cool car and
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is driving around on it I'm curious how
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other people would respond to them they
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certainly have amazing Tech Giant
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screens everywhere you you should get on
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these Chinese car Instagram I might have
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to join them I can't understand any of
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it right but the are cool yeah it's like
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a three-year-old the the US government
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and the Canadian government and a lot of
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others have taken a stance of we don't
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want to have Chinese CS in the US will
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put very large tariffs will massively
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disincentivize it if we allow it at all
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Canada went a little bit further and
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just kind of pretty much ban them so I'm
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glad though that the SE of the company
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that is making the third most EVS in the
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US is at least like paying attention to
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what other markets and other manufactur
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are doing because Tesla is number one by
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far but Chevy or GM number two in EV
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sales Q3 this is global and no in the US
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and Q3 Chevy it is interesting all these
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Chinese cars are interesting and the
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Americans don't really have any clue
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what's going on over there and they are
13:05
ahead and you know it is it's also
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interesting we are so clinging to
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combustion engines and they are going so
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far ahead with this EV technology and
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when we finally are forced to catch up
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they're going to have a huge competitive
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Advantage because we've been so
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protectionist and so anti- leing Japan
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in the 70s where fuel efficient cars yep
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that's exactly right it's the same thing
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all over again so the American
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automakers at least know that in our are
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trying to yeah I mean the Maki is a
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tremendously competent car but it's
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amazing what's what's going on you
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should see the minivans you should see
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the tell kenon two true facts about a
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car called The Yang Wang u8 made made by
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byd I'll I'll retain these sure go all
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right it is a large SUV it has 1,200
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horsepower okay it can
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float this is all true see what are we
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doing this is the Chinese this is what
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I'm saying the Chinese have are eating
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are lunch they are way ahead they're
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building floating cars and we're driving
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around in nonfloating cars it does not
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Li it could float for 30 minutes if it
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fences water it will Elevate its
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suspension turn off the engine I'm
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reading this out here switch its HVAC to
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recirculation mode and seal the windows
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now of course that's great in concept I
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wonder how reliable that is and how it
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often how reliable it is let's go to a
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get a little wet and then all of a
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sudden everything starts let's go to a
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boat ramp in Shanghai let's find out it
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can drive 1.8 mph while floating so it's
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not just floating it is moving like a
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boat two miles of course now if if the
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current is 1.9 miles hour you got a
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problem actually problem that's an
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interesting point because it can only
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float for 30 minutes so you get out on
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the lake okay you and me we take it to a
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public park in Shanghai right we get out
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on the lake like next to some paddle
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boats that look like swans we get out on
14:46
the lake suddenly the wind comes we're
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15 minutes out the wind comes 15 minutes
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we're trying to get back in our Yang
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Wang u8 2 mph and we're thinking this
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1200 horsepower isn't doing much for us
14:58
right now 1200 horsepower 1.9 milph
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we're fighting that current we're
15:03
fighting that current and all of a
15:04
sudden minute 31 comes and the Yang Wang
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slowly starts to sink and then we have
15:10
to yell to the people on the Swan Boats
15:12
please help us exactly and I'll just say
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shut up shut up I'm working Cape
15:16
race but you remember that famous veyon
15:19
video where Veron L and wouldn't have
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happened in yangang wouldn't happen in a
15:23
Yang Wang UA would have just landed and
15:25
floated man I got to get me a Yang Wang
15:27
UA why isn't Jim Farley driving around
15:29
were some Yang Wang 8 press cars in the
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US briefly and I was so disappointed
15:32
that we didn't get one how can I be
15:33
involved myself I don't know we got a
15:35
lot of emails that are a little shady
15:36
about whether you want to do promotions
15:37
with something well the yeah it is
15:39
interesting that the Vietnamese and the
15:41
Chinese Auto Vietnamese vinfast and the
15:42
Chinese automakers like want to pay me
15:44
to review the cars and I'm like that
15:46
it's not really how it works I'm
15:48
actually good thanks although I would
15:50
take money to review a Yang Wang u8 and
15:52
drive it into a a lake lake we'd take it
15:54
into the harbor honestly wouldn't cost
15:56
anything dude that would be so cool go
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to a boat launch the one at um drive it
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in we'd go to the boat launch the one at
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San Diego in in the harbor by Seaworld
16:04
and people would be like launching their
16:06
boats off their Dodge Rams and we would
16:07
just drive our Yang Wang U right in and
16:10
start start the timer people like what
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yeah right and people like what is that
16:13
we' be like Yang Wang and we' wave to
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then so embarrassing they would do like
16:22
boat Donuts around us we get passed by
16:24
like a duck paddling
16:26
out but you're in 1,200 horsepower SUV
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who cares give us the next thing give us
16:32
the next thing ah yes finally something
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interesting to talk about so
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unfortunately we couldn't discuss it
16:36
last week just due to timing but the
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Ferrari f80 not the BMW f80 the Ferrari
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f80 is has been announced as far as I'm
16:43
concerned there is no more BMW f80 this
16:45
is the f80 yes so this is this is
16:47
Ferrari's new superar this will succeed
16:49
the L Ferrari it has a 1,184 horsepower
16:53
3 l twin turbocharged V6 wait a second
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the Yang Wang also has one 1,184
17:00
horsepower and this can't float so you
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know I mean your move Ferrari yeah
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exactly I know which one I would buy of
17:06
course it's it also has hybrid assist as
17:09
three electric motors two for driving
17:11
the front wheels one for the for the
17:12
reset so it's the first Ferrari Supercar
17:14
to have all-wheel drive which is
17:16
interesting it does 0 to 60 reportedly
17:18
according to Ferrari in 2.2 seconds and
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it's going to be about $3.1 million
17:23
again that's kind of speculative but you
17:25
can imagine that's what it'll be so
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however you don't like it no cuz it's a
17:31
V6 I think yeah that's Ken's going to
17:33
get pulled dragged Kicking and
17:35
Screaming fundamentally the f80 also
17:38
went from from a larger engine to a
17:39
smaller engine a tradition it's a
17:42
tradition when you name something the
17:43
f80 Ken kenon I just said the Chinese
17:45
are eating our lunch with these things
17:47
we need to go electric and go smaller
17:49
engines the yangang Wang u8 floats right
17:53
float what does that have to do with the
17:55
Ferrari f80 because he's over here
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no he's over here complaining cuz the
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engine's not big enough meanwhile
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China's like we don't care about engines
18:03
we're making floating cars they're going
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to have flying cars pretty soon you're
18:06
going to look up in the sky and fly
18:08
Chinese will be flying in they don't
18:09
even need to fly on an airplane they
18:11
Yang as we discussed that's fine for
18:14
daily usable cars but this is a Ferrari
18:16
this is a piece of Automotive who car
18:18
it's ultimately the goal is to have the
18:20
best performance Poss if your Ferrari at
18:24
time has more performance's ins here the
18:27
whole point of a Ferrari is in the cars
18:29
that the the people who buy them want an
18:30
experience the people that buy them will
18:32
never drive them and they just want to
18:34
park them in their garage that's true
18:36
and say they bought one that is true
18:38
however Sami Hagar La Ferrari that you
18:41
couldn't drive it it was too
18:43
ugly different problem actually similar
18:45
problem it was Tan on tan well but
18:47
there's a quote from the design boss
18:49
that I want to read and he said we
18:50
didn't want to get carried away with
18:52
nostalgic or continuative idea and
18:54
that's why we did a V6 now and a hideous
18:57
I love that Ferrari doesn't do Nostalgia
18:59
that's the cool thing about Ferrari they
19:02
don't do Nostalgia the rear of the F40
19:04
the F50 the Eno share a lot with it but
19:07
but they're not retro that was
19:09
Ferrari moving forward at the time now
19:12
they Ferrari doesn't do Nostalgia they
19:14
don't they don't do old school designs
19:16
you're right they don't do Nostalgia
19:17
except for that the sf90 looked like the
19:20
f8 which looked like they all all those
19:22
look like the 48 they that's not a retro
19:25
design from the' 60s that's a a new
19:26
design that they're trying to the doind
19:30
doind yeah done doesn't look at all like
19:32
the Daytona the cindry has a the front
19:35
is a little Dayton right let me like
19:38
Ferrari California with the vent in the
19:40
hood that doesn't look like that's not
19:41
reminiscent of the one that came there
19:43
are minor retro look you're missing the
19:44
point this thing is cool as the sp3
19:46
Daytona which is designed to look for
19:49
from the the Icona series none of those
19:51
sp1 did the sp3 look like I want to buy
19:54
it tell me about it it was supposed to
19:55
look more like the P3 and the P4 but my
19:57
my my point yeah yeah and also the icon
20:00
what what what Ferrari that's a new idea
20:03
you're missing the point Ferrari is
20:05
moving forward while you are stuck in
20:06
the past you're sitting here like why
20:07
don't you give me a V12 and a manual
20:10
this thing is the future I just told you
20:12
China is making a 1200 horsepower spe
20:14
floats which is faster than this
20:17
probably floats the point is though the
20:21
Ferrari is always the post technology
20:23
and you're right about that however it's
20:25
just I think that the Ferrari Supercar
20:27
Heritage line ends with the Daytona that
20:29
came before the sp3 Daytona I think
20:31
that's where I think it goes 288 F40 50
20:34
Enzo laer that it goes F40 F50 Enzo
20:39
Daytona sp3 those are the big four as
20:42
far as I'm you don't like the 28 I don't
20:43
consider the 288 I don't consider the La
20:45
Ferrari we we'll see about this I got to
20:47
drive it why did they call the f80
20:49
because okay so there was the F40 yeah
20:52
there was the F50 then there would have
20:53
been the f60 and f70 but they we called
20:55
them other their stuff right now we're
20:57
back picking up on what they're putting
20:59
down so there a little Heritage thing
21:01
they don't do her they say they're going
21:03
to make 799 of them of course it's
21:05
Ferrari so they say they're make $799
21:07
yes so they'll make a thousand and
21:08
that's before they make a convertible
21:10
right exactly they're going to lie and
21:11
make a thousand of them and then they'll
21:12
make a convertible yeah that's that's
21:14
wild they're going to make 2,000 of
21:15
these right 3,000 4,000 no no but
21:17
seriously they'll make 2,000 cuz they'll
21:18
make 799 coups that's a th000 and then
21:22
they'll make 500 convertibles that's 600
21:25
yeah but they're going to make 1,600
21:27
we're going to see these around yeah
21:28
yeah which again takes away from how
21:30
special it is because it's you don't
21:32
it you like how it looks I love how it
21:34
looks I like how it looks from the back
21:36
in particular I think like the the rear
21:38
the way it like outlines the rear wheels
21:40
is really cool which is very much like
21:42
the SP the sp3 love how it looks I think
21:45
it is so cool and I'm I haven't been a
21:47
big fan of Ferrari design language in
21:48
the postpin finina era but this look at
21:51
that look at that pull that up I just
21:52
want just leave that picture up for the
21:54
rest of the week really yeah look at
21:55
that that is that's a Ferrari super
21:58
Ferrari was derivative it was boring
22:00
this is not boring you look at this and
22:01
you say that car is here to kill people
22:05
first they went six cylinders so they
22:06
put that's like all right but I think
22:09
there there are a couple things I like I
22:10
kind of like this is like reminiscent of
22:11
like a knad duct is like the idea I
22:13
think of the design there it is forward
22:15
to looking I don't think it's that
22:16
derivative of anything they've done like
22:17
unlike a lot of designs they've done
22:18
recently so I actually like but it is
22:20
wild that the family hauler SUV you get
22:23
an na12 but the Supercar you get a you
22:25
get a little turbocharge V6 it's got
22:29
it's got slightly more the same
22:30
horsepower as the Yang Wang u8 but the
22:32
whole point of a Ferrari is like they
22:34
used to say what you pay for is the
22:35
engine we throw in the rest for free in
22:38
this case they gave if it were the the
22:40
engine out of the Formula 1 car the V6
22:41
out of the formul one car I could get it
22:43
now it's allegedly related to their
22:45
their Lal winning car sure but like
22:47
tangentially I think so you you're
22:48
really upset about the what how is this
22:50
a surprise to you I mean this it's not a
22:52
surprise it's just like I thought it
22:53
would be I thought the next one would be
22:54
a twin turbo V8 not a v I will tell you
22:56
this the Daytona sp3 is cooler there's
22:58
no doubt no question the Daytona sp3 is
23:00
cooler it's a convertible they made
23:01
fewer of them it's an nav2 with no hyper
23:05
it's it looks crazy na2 with no hybrid
23:06
stuff if I could afford a Dayton sp3 I'd
23:08
buy one how much is the Dayton sp3 like
23:10
right now they're like five in the used
23:11
Market it's a lot of money what were
23:13
they new two and a half so this is more
23:15
than MSRP MSRP also Ferrari did a
23:18
demonstration lap this past weekend
23:20
where they took the car on and showed
23:21
people like in Italy and it was all you
23:23
heard was I know I know the sound wasn't
23:26
great but this is the future the Chinese
23:29
the Chinese cars float yes but Ferrari
23:32
is about emotion and it has no sound
23:34
which is the half the reason you buy a
23:36
Ferrari recently I drove a pinen Farina
23:39
Batista oh and that car has sound but
23:42
it's also electric and it does 0 to 60
23:44
in one point one I don't know fast L I
23:47
would rather listen to my 355 or
23:49
producer Sean's Ferrari 360 go around
23:51
and listen to the sound of an engine and
23:53
enjoy it then have no sound at all like
23:55
it just it just isn't appealing to me
23:57
none of these car your Jazz yeah you're
23:59
not wrong I had a 355 I listened to alth
24:02
although I think you're not wrong I love
24:04
this car I think it's cool as hell I
24:05
will say I think the reaction from the
24:09
democratization speed has become so
24:11
accessible that just having is not
24:13
enough 0 to 60 and 22 and a 1,200
24:15
horsepower that's not special anymore so
24:17
they got to do other things to make it
24:18
special like floating I wonder if they
24:21
considered it but it's beautiful and
24:23
they've done that and it's fast and
24:24
that's cool and it's going to be great I
24:26
don't know about beautiful it's
24:29
all Ferrari super cars are striking
24:30
except for the 288 GTO which was which
24:32
he doesn't think is a super car even
24:33
though it had the same engine as the F40
24:35
but we'll move on the I I think that I
24:37
don't know a time will tell of course I
24:39
would like to see in person same engine
24:40
as the Enzo I mean yeah that's that's
24:43
also true but that came after but you
24:46
know but nonetheless new Ferrar Supercar
24:48
is here and it's named after a BMW can I
24:50
say one quick thing about this last week
24:53
or two weeks ago we talked about how we
24:55
thought the W1 the McLaren new Supercar
24:58
nothing I think that that they're
25:00
legitimately helped by Ferrari like they
25:02
were with the P1 with Ferrari launching
25:03
a similar super car creates competition
25:05
yeah are you aware of what the W1
25:08
claimed 0 to 60 time is oh hopefully
25:10
it's under two no what is it 2.7 oh so
25:14
that's what they claim model three
25:16
performance my buddy Brett's got one of
25:18
those he paid like $46,000 for it but
25:21
all this also is like all right now the
25:24
Porsche thing we're waiting for the
25:25
Porsche now like but the Porsche is
25:26
going to be fully like I need you I want
25:27
to tell you this now so that you can
25:29
prepare yourself for it because you seem
25:30
to be very upset about the fer I could
25:32
have told you be V6 hybrid the Porsche
25:34
is going to be fully electric okay the
25:36
mission X is going to be fully electric
25:40
it's got It's not going to have an
25:41
engine it's going to be fully electric
25:42
it may float what if it flies would you
25:44
like it then oh yeah if they can make it
25:46
fly yeah you'd be into that yes that
25:49
would be cool okay I'll take float I'll
25:52
I'll take floating from Porsche if they
25:53
can do that all right I'll tell them I
25:55
I'm going into the dealer in a couple
25:56
days I'll let them know we want the next
25:58
to fly okay thank you tell all right we
26:00
got another new oh God stick with me so
26:02
this is a pretty intense picture here so
26:04
for those of you can't see this is a RTO
26:06
on fire now Lamborghini has issued a
26:09
recall recently for the for the RTO
26:12
specifically there are 455 of them in
26:14
the United States currently they've been
26:15
delivered which makes sense which is
26:16
impressive in its own right that and
26:18
that made sense why I'm seeing so many
26:19
of them but like they're around yeah but
26:22
455 they made the rec this happened
26:25
recently that one burned to the ground
26:26
on social media some influence
26:29
uh no ites here in the United States a
26:31
McDonald of memory serves me uh and this
26:34
like I mean catastrophic fire however
26:38
the recall has nothing to do with it's
26:40
for the wiper arm there's like evidently
26:43
like the post on the wiper like bends
26:44
and then it like might cause it to bind
26:46
but meanwhile this car is literally on
26:49
fire can I tell you something about this
26:50
and why they didn't recall it for fire
26:52
yeah I've seen a lot about this uhhuh
26:54
combustion engines there's a combustion
26:58
there's like constant like explosions in
27:01
your engine it's surprising that more
27:03
cars don't catch on fire Ag and so like
27:05
that car one of the combustions happen
27:08
outside of the combustion area well you
27:10
know and so it just Happ I was I let me
27:12
tell I was in DC the other day I was
27:13
driving in Georgetown and there was a Q5
27:15
on fire and you know that I don't see
27:17
any recalls there but same deal you got
27:18
a lot of little explosions happening one
27:20
of them's going to be big one day you
27:22
see what I'm saying so this is just it
27:24
happens dude and PE when it's a Lambo
27:26
people take pictures of it when it's a
27:28
Pon at Grand Prix people are like yeah
27:31
cone the thing the combustions they do
27:35
have an in combust shaver one did
27:37
definitely happen out here but this is
27:39
indicative that something bigger is
27:41
might be wrong there might be another
27:43
recall coming you know he didn't light
27:45
it on fire himself and then just start
27:46
complaining he's an influencer he maybe
27:48
wants to influence people maybe he's
27:50
trying to sell a fire extinguisher
27:52
brand boom maybe little late though then
27:55
one would think that he would have used
27:56
it to put it out maybe he did after
27:59
maybe he's trying to sell a fire starter
28:01
like a like a lighter fluid now if it
28:04
were whistling diesel I'd be into this
28:05
but like it's it's it isn't I don't
28:07
think and based on his reaction to the
28:08
video it did not sound play all I'm
28:10
saying is it's surprising more cars
28:12
don't catch on fire because there's a
28:13
lot of fire inside cars when I was a kid
28:15
I feel like more cars did catch on fire
28:17
well in Italy I mean people were people
28:19
were lighting stuff on fire to stay I
28:20
have a distinct memory of coming out of
28:22
like of my Like Preschool and there was
28:24
a fat panda with a fire just in the
28:26
engine bit though had had spread yet huh
28:29
the lady like the old lady was just
28:30
standing next to it Hood up fire blar oh
28:33
did she should have closed the hood well
28:34
I mean to his point that is where a fire
28:37
would begin to be in the engine bay
28:39
probably but like everybody was very
28:40
nonplused about it well well I mean a
28:44
New Day in Italy weird stuff happens
28:46
it's like New York City right exactly
28:47
you kind of walk past it all right we
28:49
got any other news no that is all no we
28:51
got no news but we do want to talk about
28:53
cars talk cars talk cars talk
28:56
cars we do pull up C32 greatest car in
29:00
the history of cars and bids is live
29:02
right now wow Rena Sports spider we do
29:04
have that yeah that is but the
29:07
C32 there it is I want this car what is
29:10
it bidding at 10 currently at 10 G's I
29:12
want this car very bad live for about
29:14
five minutes I was in Vienna a couple of
29:16
weeks ago maybe a couple months and I
29:18
saw one of these on the street and I
29:19
took a picture of it this was the F1
29:20
safety car Cannon this was the F1 sa
29:22
yeah I remember it made F1 safe was this
29:29
you've ever seen this clip no they they
29:31
they go to this wreck and they open the
29:33
door is that that's what happed they go
29:35
to this wreck they're very scared oh the
29:36
car's wrecked we got to check on the
29:37
driver they open the door and another
29:41
bam anyway this car has been imported
29:44
these were not sold in the US this car
29:45
has been imported and federalized so
29:46
it's US legal even though it's not 25
29:48
years old absolutely incredible I want
29:50
one I want in general one of these so
29:52
badly but this one is so Co that's a
29:54
great color designo mocha black which
29:56
see the interior no but I
29:58
black show them what a designo mocha
30:00
interior looks like look at that I'm not
30:02
going to lie to you that is the color
30:03
scheme of my car yours has a brown
30:05
interior although the mine is brown with
30:07
black accents not black brown real
30:10
Brown great interior pictures like the
30:12
doors are brown this is legitimately
30:14
what my car is modeled after it turns
30:16
out I want one of I want this car so
30:18
much these are special cars yeah but you
30:21
won't we never got I won't buy this one
30:22
we never got AMG C-Class wagons in the
30:24
United States ever to this day we still
30:26
have never gotten one they now sell the
30:28
43 Wagon in Canada but it's kind of a
30:29
consolation prize it's not the big V8 um
30:33
they all are cool I wanted a c43 98 to
30:35
2000 I want the C32 which was like 01 to
30:38
04 the really cool one to have though is
30:40
the next one the c-55 but it didn't come
30:43
out till middle of 04 and so that's
30:45
still 5 years away so I'm like H this is
30:47
they're getting close I mean you made
30:49
the point that these cars from the early
30:50
2000s are like knocking on the doorstep
30:53
of being importable I mean this car is
30:56
is Le I mean they fed Iz it and it's
30:58
even carb they got a carb sticker but in
31:00
three years actually two years cuz they
31:02
came out in o02 you're going to be able
31:03
to get one just without doing all that
31:05
but it's so cool now I don't personally
31:07
like the W 203 the W 203 had its issues
31:11
but I the wagon's the best version and
31:13
might be the best of the best and by the
31:14
way when I say it's issues I'm not
31:15
referring to reliability these are
31:16
actually pretty reliable cars my
31:18
problems with it were I never liked how
31:19
it looked and the interior quality is
31:21
not all that great yeah but that's also
31:23
true the next one the C63 the 08 that
31:26
was the worst interor in the world and I
31:27
want one one of those more I would eat
31:28
you if someone was offering me a C63
31:31
wagon but you have to eat fipo be like I
31:33
have seen you give me a knife and fork
31:39
thanks it is it is quite a car it is
31:42
cool to see but it just gets me excited
31:44
about like you said about what's again
31:46
this is an exception but like the cool
31:48
stuff that I dreamt of as a kid is
31:49
coming yeah like and you'll be able to
31:51
get it that we couldn't get here can we
31:52
talk about one of the cars that is that
31:54
what's that the Renault the Renault
31:56
Sports spider you know about this car I
31:58
love I totally forgot about this car I
32:00
totally forgot this car even existed
32:02
I'll be honest with you I have been
32:03
thinking about this car for a while I
32:06
You' mentioned it you think we fit it's
32:08
little uh yeah no I think so I it is
32:10
little but like like the Elise the ins
32:12
interior space is pretty well managed I
32:13
think it will fit why did they make this
32:15
okay what is it for the people that
32:16
aren't looking at our Renault Sports
32:18
spider is a convertible Renault but it
32:19
was like a track car I mean it had like
32:21
a it's more than a convertible it no it
32:24
has no roof it has no windows cross
32:28
that's just that's just like an air
32:29
deflector air deflector L thing but it
32:31
truly like look at the side profile
32:32
where is this car can I review no
32:36
Virginia so this car came out the timing
32:38
of this car was unfortunate Renos spor
32:40
brought this car out exactly when the
32:42
Elise came out and so unfortunately the
32:44
Elise always overshadowed it but they
32:46
wanted a lightweight driver focused car
32:48
that was just purely about the Driving
32:50
Experience I mean cuz it is completely
32:52
impractical and about nothing else it
32:54
was so insane I'll never forget seeing
32:56
pictures of it as a kid being like what
32:57
is this ridiculous car and I had a roll
33:00
bar from the factory OE roll bar yeah
33:02
pretty legit the whole car car it's so
33:05
where is it where is Virginia Virginia
33:07
yeah um God I know I legitim truly why
33:11
is it not in our office right now a good
33:14
question if you buy that C32 wagon I
33:16
will pay you the same you paid for it in
33:17
a year you'll bring it to the office and
33:19
I'll get jealous and after a while it
33:21
I'm not I know you would I think it
33:22
would take two months take two months
33:24
but I'm just not interested okay filipo
33:26
tell us about your top cars yeah what I
33:29
am interested in it's buying a 997.2
33:32
okay every week on the Pod I'm gonna buy
33:34
this I'm gonna buy that but this week
33:35
there's actually a car that has come up
33:38
site unfortunately it's not on the site
33:39
but I just want one a picture of one up
33:41
generally there is a car that has come
33:42
up and filipo is interested in it it's a
33:45
997.2 Carrera baseer with a stick super
33:48
base Nicki Minaj y but what do you what
33:51
do you tell us about it please all right
33:53
it's in North Carolina very close to
33:55
where I used to live I will be in North
33:56
Carolina coincidentally for personal
34:00
tomorrow I'm going to go look at it I'm
34:02
talking to the guy tonight please buy it
34:05
please there's a real I number that
34:07
you're at is very reasonable it's a nice
34:09
car please to get down for us do it for
34:12
me and do it for M Audi robot Mike Mike
34:15
Audi robot is convincing no less
34:17
interesting here's here's my concerns
34:19
I've never I've never spent money on a
34:22
car $27,000 is the most I've ever spent
34:24
this would be at least high 30s if I'm
34:28
never bought a fun car for myself it's
34:29
actually a fun car the Fiat is like it's
34:32
a fun car it's a fun car but like it's a
34:34
lowrisk low reward fun car I think it's
34:36
pretty dude it's so loud I drove it home
34:38
yesterday last night can't believe how
34:41
loud this thing it's also was very fun
34:43
antisocial like cold start on a 500 a
34:45
bar is aggressive you can be you can
34:47
drive so aggressively and you're still
34:49
only going 35 miles hour and it's a joy
34:52
and I treat it like absolute yeah you do
34:55
yeah I drive it so hard which is not my
34:57
personality for anything else except for
34:59
when I'm driving the fat you get a 99
35:00
but I want something more special and
35:01
I've never had I've never driven a 911
35:03
you it is a lot of money but I'm telling
35:05
you you'll get out of it for the same
35:06
money you put into it you're bringing it
35:07
to California the the land of
35:09
convertibles it's a it's a Cabriolet
35:11
he's not going to do this if he doesn't
35:14
do this I think if he doesn't do this we
35:15
don't talk to him about buying I think
35:18
he's he's used up his his he's cried
35:22
CRI bear pygm maret
35:27
and theater even but yeah
35:31
he yeah I need to do it I need to do
35:33
something I need a special car of some
35:35
kind I need to like build out the
35:36
collection of cars that I've owned
35:38
because right now it's very weak and I
35:39
think a 991 would be great you admit
35:41
that yeah gladly here's here's a real
35:44
question all right first of all I'll be
35:45
in North Carolina and then up the
35:46
Eastern se you ship it you dummy you're
35:48
not I could drive it home you sh you're
35:50
not driving it from North Carolina
35:51
California why D from cforia you you get
35:54
paid good money you value your it be for
35:57
there's no joy in sitting on the freeway
36:00
in Oklahoma going 71 mph behind a truck
36:02
that's going 71 mph passing another
36:05
truck that's going 69 mes hour in a in
36:07
an 80 Zone what if I want to have road
36:09
rage with a nan you could do that I
36:11
could do that I do that here though to
36:13
be fair um ship it would you okay I'm
36:16
going from North Carolina up to like new
36:18
yorkish could I should I drive it and
36:20
then ship it from there delivery little
36:23
road trip that sounds like a great idea
36:25
you should definitely drive it up to 95
36:27
experience Northeast in a
36:29
911 here's a real question do I PPI it
36:32
no it's a it would be like a high 30s
36:35
car it it has great service records have
36:38
different opinions about this than other
36:39
people I don't know I I don't know what
36:40
your tolerance for risk is that's the
36:42
question I've done car ppis before that
36:44
haven't uncovered what I needed them to
36:46
uncover and I go into any car purchase
36:48
just assuming I'm going to write a big
36:49
check but I'm also able to do that it
36:51
depends on what your what Your Life
36:52
situation is just buy the car okay a
36:55
we're going to talk about it it's a
36:56
997.2 so a lot of issues resol from Ben
37:00
there's no IMS issue there's a bunch of
37:02
other like reliability things memory not
37:04
really those cars are reliable right
37:06
exactly like they've been resolved for
37:07
the do two this car has pretty extensive
37:10
service records two owners from new own
37:11
it for 12 years y I think can I get away
37:14
without doing PPI yeah for a car like
37:16
this yeah honestly it's because car yeah
37:20
I would budget 10 to 15% that you'll I
37:23
can four grand I would budget that
37:25
you'll need four grand to bring it up to
37:27
kind of the the standard that you want
37:28
it to yeah which is your usual approach
37:30
you know my standards they're low but if
37:33
like a if like a turn signal is broken
37:35
or a g fuel gauge is broken a turn
37:38
signal is broken break for you I don't
37:40
know on porches I thing all right we're
37:43
going to move on to our I don't trust
37:44
you but I want you to buy a week from
37:46
now I won't be on the podcast a week
37:47
after that I will be back and I might
37:49
tell you about my purchase if you don't
37:50
we are never going to talk to you about
37:52
buying a car again please just do
37:54
something I don't even blame you at that
37:55
point you cried chameleon
37:58
the boy he cried giraffe I'm not wearing
38:01
the shirt today I'm sorry okay next up
38:03
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right I want to talk about the market
38:44
report I want to talk about the Ferrari
38:46
812 we just sold the Ferrari 812 GTS
38:49
this exact Ferrari 812 GTS yeah we sold
38:53
$522,000 a great number merely weeks ago
38:56
it had failed to hit reserve on the
38:58
bring a trailer for 5 how much 14
39:02
$514,000 so we got more money for this
39:05
car and you know that got us thinking
39:07
yeah what is the situation on the bring
39:09
a trailer versus cars and bids pull up
39:12
it happens a lot we we track a lot of
39:14
examples where a car failed to meet
39:16
Reserve unbr trailer and then sold on
39:18
our site or also some cases where they
39:20
sold it's sold later a couple months
39:22
later trailer the new owner want to get
39:23
rid of it whatever the same car the same
39:26
vent and that's always people are
39:27
thinking do does bring a trailer get
39:28
more money Well here here's we have some
39:31
we did a bunch of work to get to like
39:32
track down all these byin Vin by VIN and
39:35
our data shows that in Q3 we got 1.3%
39:38
more money so same car 1.3% how many
39:41
cars is this 60 70 80 pretty small range
39:44
6070 cars we got 1.3% more more money
39:47
and we got 70% more views and 70% more
39:50
bits so way more people are seeing cars
39:52
when they're on cars and bids when
39:53
people are bidding on cars when they're
39:55
on cars and bids uh than anywhere else I
39:57
will let the audience make their own
39:59
conclusions but we have some factual
40:02
factual including this 812 which just
40:05
brought more than it did across the
40:07
street as I often say across the street
40:09
this specific car got about 8,000 more
40:14
views and double the number of bids than
40:16
that same auction a few weeks ago bring
40:18
each other well there you go the
40:19
audience can draw their conclusions they
40:21
wish we've told you some facts facts and
40:24
the this data was over the last quarter
40:25
yeah Q3 all right Q3 he he lives in
40:28
quarters you and I weeks days months
40:30
he's like Q3 that's true H H2 that's
40:34
what they call it now second half of the
40:36
year they call we want to have dinner I
40:37
can't till Q4 can't till Q4 well luckily
40:39
we're in Q4 for Q4 but I have told
40:42
people that q1 uh I want to talk about
40:44
last market report before we move on to
40:45
questions I want to talk about the Honda
40:47
Pilot I didn't see what was the result
40:48
okay we sold an 04 Honda Pilot e EXL we
40:51
sold an 04 here we are talking about how
40:53
we get more money for 812 gts's we're
40:55
going to move on we're going to Pivot
40:56
now hard pivot hard pivot this was a
40:59
special pilot in that it had low miles
41:01
and was one over Califoria 15 grand oh
41:05
God we I I grew up my family own an 03
41:09
Honda Pilot EX we didn't splur for the
41:11
leather or the nav fun fact for the
41:13
first generation of Honda Pilot you
41:14
could get leather with either the EXL
41:16
with just leather you could get it with
41:19
either the rear seat entertainment or
41:20
the navigation cannot do both yeah the
41:21
MDX was like that wait but you didn't
41:23
have an LX you're over here talking
41:24
about how you're the poor little
41:25
immigrant from Italy you guys didn't get
41:27
thankfully thankfully my family did UPG
41:29
that and we as a result we didn't have
41:30
seers and we had tint and we didn't have
41:32
plastic this honestly the pl oh you no
41:35
okay got it the LX had the plastic side
41:37
it had it had this was plastic but only
41:39
that not the front rear just that I I
41:42
was going to say though this the it's so
41:45
period it's so period I want to talk
41:49
because when did cars from 04 I guess we
41:52
were just talking about two different
41:53
cars from the early 2000s the Ros fors
41:56
late ' 90s but it looked like a 2,000
41:57
car like these are coming nostalg I'm
42:00
nostalgic for a couple of 04 cars yeah
42:03
kenon you got any Nostalgia for some 04s
42:05
I mean I live in O2 so there we go it's
42:08
just interesting this is a it's a great
42:10
example one I get why somebody paid up
42:12
for it they reliable they're good cars
42:14
but it's a regular car okay let me ask
42:16
you this and I'm dead serious about this
42:18
cuz this happens a lot that people will
42:20
pay up for a for a the pilot Just Hits
42:22
home let let me let me let me throw a
42:24
little a little curveball at your brain
42:27
what if it's someone just buying a used
42:28
car and they think you know what this
42:30
has 40,000 miles one owner all-wheel
42:32
drive 15 grand dude a new Pilot's 50
42:34
right like I'm dead serious like what if
42:37
it's just someone who it's not like
42:38
someone who's going to museum piece it
42:40
what if they're just going to use it
42:41
what else can you get for 15 that's
42:43
going to run this car's got 40,000 mies
42:44
it's got 100,000 miles left in it well
42:46
maybe 50 before the transmission goes
42:48
put no no the transmission were fine
42:49
legitimately these had good transes
42:51
which which Pilots had bad ones no
42:52
Pilots had bad ones oh I'm I'm not
42:54
joking I'm not joking were not they were
42:56
not that issue we sold our in yeah
43:00
there's a lot of bits in 2014 we sold
43:02
our Hond pilot which had 130 140,000 Mi
43:05
at a lot of rust for $500 well we could
43:08
have driven 100,000 miles does 100,000
43:10
miles cost us 15 grand I guess my point
43:12
is just like when I think about this
43:14
it's insane when you think about a used
43:16
Honda Pilot an 04 Honda Pilot is selling
43:18
for 15 grand that's insane but when you
43:20
think about a used three row SUV with a
43:23
lot of life left in it is selling for 15
43:24
grand you start thinking you know what's
43:26
a 4Runner I mean I know it can go
43:27
Offroad but if you don't want off-road
43:29
you just want a reliable SUV what's an44
43:32
with 39,000 miles 15 I don't know you
43:35
get my point maybe it's just someone who
43:38
like wants a used car and it's going to
43:40
be a great one the irony of that and the
43:42
10 year newer Jeep Cherokee that's in
43:45
the reflection in the photo same cost
43:47
well then because you're paying up for
43:49
quality and not saying anything bad
43:51
about the Jeep Cherokee but it's
43:53
trash just what the these are what
43:56
people in noia for now I guess they want
43:58
the car from early 2000s maybe I don't
44:01
know if it's Nostalgia if it was if I'm
44:02
buying a car for a 16-year-old and this
44:04
thing shows up I'm like you know what
44:06
this car's got a lot of life left it's
44:08
reliable it's like this is a pretty good
44:10
choice EXL means that I think it also
44:12
has stability control that that may have
44:13
come in no5 I mean to put it this way
44:16
it's like I think if you showed up to I
44:17
mean it's slightly outside the the cut
44:19
off but if you showed up to radwood and
44:21
this I don't think people would freak
44:22
out about it I don't think the Nostalgia
44:24
is strong enough not yet yet
44:27
when we come up with what's the 2000s
44:29
version of radwood that will eventually
44:31
show up what is that called wood I havea
44:35
when that eventually happens this thing
44:36
pulls up with the pilot branded car bra
44:39
y th this is my I've sent I've
44:42
discovered through this listing that our
44:43
pilot which was this color was Starlight
44:45
silver Starlight silver had no idea okay
44:47
next we move on to questions questions
44:49
questions remember you too can ask us a
44:50
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44:55
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44:59
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45:01
questions no matter how stupid okay
45:05
first question most popular from one uis
45:08
Mary kill kiss oh oh Doug kenon Z F1
45:16
F40 sorry I get the opportunity to kill
45:21
Doug zand F1 F40 tough tough tough it's
45:27
not that tough well you marry the F1 yep
45:31
okay you kill the zanda yeah kiss the
45:33
F40 kill the Z yeah probably the same I
45:35
don't know though because I think the Z
45:38
wonderful it's it's wonderful and a lot
45:40
more useful but it doesn't say Ferrari
45:41
on it so oh what would you do Fanboy
45:43
probably the same I might switch the F40
45:45
and the Z but at the end of the day I'd
45:47
marry the F12 I I I like to pretend I'm
45:49
not an F1 guy but you saw that orange
45:52
one see that orange one driving around
45:53
dorf that's all I want yeah filipo yours
45:56
was p 206cc Rena cleo3 RS or markv
46:01
R32 kill the R32 of course it was sold
46:04
here right and not by the French I don't
46:07
sorry what were the first options 20 206
46:09
CC remember that c hard type convertible
46:11
and then Renault cleo3
46:14
RS cleo3 RS I oh man I I actually really
46:18
hate the 206 CC although I good memories
46:21
cleo3 was like early looks like early to
46:25
mid 2000s I marry the
46:30
cleo3 and go on a date with the 206 yeah
46:32
you put the top down have a good time
46:35
okay next question from xj40 JAG hi Doug
46:38
why did you stop trying out the back
46:40
seats of cars with small back seats you
46:42
know a lot of reasons but the biggest is
46:43
that I have significant back problems
46:46
and it was always hard to get into those
46:47
back seats and it's even harder now part
46:50
of my back is numb right now as we sit
46:53
here you could pinch me if you want do
46:54
you want to come over and pinch me in
46:55
the butt I truly I can't express in
46:58
English to you how little I want to do
47:00
that well you could okay you could and I
47:02
wouldn't feel it so I got that's that's
47:04
an issue I'm getting older you know and
47:07
uh it's getting harder but I I still
47:08
show you the back seat and it's great
47:11
okay next question from Austin
47:13
m330 what cars and& bid's Channel video
47:16
ideas have been attempted SL recorded
47:18
but then thrown out and not uploaded
47:19
anything you really wanted to work but
47:21
failed Austin you under you
47:23
underestimate you overestimate our
47:27
if we've if we're filming something it's
47:30
up we're not Mr Beast we're not sitting
47:32
around here like discarding 13 ideas on
47:35
The Cutting Room floor this is what we
47:38
are the beauty of the Cs and bids
47:40
channel is that we can test content yeah
47:42
that's exactly what we've been doing
47:43
right there's not much that doesn't get
47:45
put up no and most of it's fun like most
47:47
of it is is good enough to make it and
47:49
some of it doesn't do well but it's
47:50
still still fun it still goes it's
47:53
always fun I do have a theory every once
47:54
in a while a producer will say oh I'm
47:55
sorry the audio was really bad on that
47:57
think it we're not I think he just
47:58
didn't a like the video and I think
48:00
he'll admit that later off camera uh
48:03
okay next question from Dodge Demon 170
48:06
which is you know the fastest Dodge
48:07
Demon despite its its small number is an
48:10
Android version of your app coming fipo
48:13
we're discussing that a lot we've loved
48:15
hearing the kind of outpouring of
48:16
interest in the Android app you can keep
48:19
apps.com uh can send an email to that
48:21
who monitors that you several of us
48:24
several of us yeah um so you please keep
48:27
letting us know if you do want an
48:28
Android app uh we're figuring out what
48:30
the right strategy timeline Etc is H wow
48:34
diplomatic yeah diplomatic I mean what
48:37
he really wants to say is get an iPhone
48:39
um I I was an Android person till Doug
48:42
offered me offered to buy me a
48:43
sweatshirt in exchange for getting never
48:46
bought me a sweatshirt was something no
48:48
this is like years I don't know this
48:49
years ago years ago do you still have
48:51
said sweatshirt I don't think he ever
48:53
bought me a specific sweatshirt you want
48:54
a sweatshirt I'll get you a sweatshirt
48:55
please uh okay next question from Dark
48:57
End is this is a great question is there
48:59
any evidence of YouTubers actually
49:01
driving up car prices like movies did in
49:03
the past um and if so what was the car
49:05
that happened to I got to be honest with
49:07
you people whenever I post a video
49:08
people are like oh you're telling the
49:10
secret of this car now people are going
49:12
to buy it and it's going to be too
49:13
expensive that's like a common criticism
49:15
I get but like 300,000 people are going
49:17
to watch the video half of them are not
49:19
in the United States like and and and
49:21
some of them are 12 and some of them are
49:23
70 you know and and aren't really in
49:25
buying a a a 86 Civic kind of space it's
49:28
a Nostalgia play and I don't think that
49:31
this happens usually oh however however
49:35
I do think I drove up the prices on
49:36
those convertible G wagons I think
49:38
people didn't know they existed and when
49:40
I did that like immediately after my
49:42
video they started taking off and like
49:45
celeb started getting them I set that
49:47
Trend however that was a big commitment
49:50
like I think like people who just do a
49:52
video on a car doesn't really happen for
49:55
me I bought the car I did a whole thing
49:56
on do Instagram post like it got out
49:58
there in the Consciousness a bit more I
50:00
think the impact is also a little bit
50:02
driven by what is the you get to see the
50:05
lived experience of owning that car and
50:07
that gives you confidence maybe to buy
50:09
like you see a YouTuber you see their
50:10
experience with whatever car like oh I I
50:14
could do this that's a great point when
50:15
when we were kids akun was a black hole
50:18
like you hear it's unreliable you hear
50:20
you don't know anything but now you can
50:22
actually like stradman will give you the
50:24
data on his like Veyron right you know
50:27
exactly what that thing cost to own and
50:30
that has opened up like the ability to
50:33
see these cars more as things you
50:34
potentially could get um I will say that
50:37
our friend Ed Bolan who I love dearly I
50:40
think he has kind of hyped up the
50:41
Lamborghini mercy Alo in a way that it
50:44
deserves but is interesting just a
50:47
little bit I'm I'm I don't believe in
50:48
doing this by the way I've been accused
50:49
of this before of hyping up a car that I
50:51
own and then selling it for a profit
50:53
truth is I don't sell any of my cars
50:55
anymore really and I certainly haven't
50:56
made money on him you know but he's
50:57
certainly not the only like I I
50:59
personally think like I think Magnus
51:00
Walker drew a lot of attention to air
51:02
cooled 911s when they were kind of cheap
51:04
just used cars there are definitely some
51:06
examples of influencers who have had and
51:08
that's a great one and Ed is one for
51:10
Mercy's and tamaran and that whole like
51:12
ecosystem um I think it happens but I
51:15
think it's a lot rarer than people think
51:17
people are like if I post a video people
51:19
think that suddenly that car is now
51:20
going to be too expensive and it's like
51:22
it's not that easy no it's not that no
51:24
it takes it would take a long time even
51:25
so like I I don't think it's but when
51:28
when people when some influencers buy a
51:29
car commit to it make a big deal out of
51:31
it talk it up with Rarity it definitely
51:33
does get other people kind of thinking
51:34
like okay you know yeah and when when an
51:38
influencer Clash crashes a McLaren Sena
51:40
then the number of senas is less and
51:42
that also helps that true yes it ALS
51:44
yeah here's a strategy buy 12 McLaren C
51:47
crash seven of them the other five go up
51:49
in value enough to cover the crashed
51:51
seven that's shrewd
51:57
there's an idea okay we're going to do
51:59
two more questions and then I have to go
52:00
to the dentist we're ending this podcast
52:04
early okay first question hey guys what
52:08
is your favorite non- US market car that
52:10
you wish had been sold in the US this is
52:13
from Indore can um this is a tough one
52:17
that's pretty easy the I mean the Zonda
52:21
like Z's a good one E60 M5 touring say
52:24
e61 M5 yeah I mean there a lot like I
52:28
like 964 like career RS like the career
52:31
RS in general like I mean there are a
52:32
lot of versions of cars that are of
52:33
course now importable that we
52:35
like TR about what what cars should have
52:38
been a very pragmatic any of the fast
52:40
Rena uh like the cleos V6 CLE V6 fully
52:44
legal now by the way Mid Engine Cleo V6
52:47
I'm a very pragmatic person I'm not
52:48
going to say a FIA Panda that's by the
52:49
fact that I would love a f Panda like
52:51
that that was never going to sell well
52:52
so I'm trying think about what would
52:54
have sold I think that I'm a little
52:55
disappointed that none of
52:56
this the answer Ken's not going to care
52:59
you know all the late 90s European
53:01
minivans there were actually three
53:02
fundamentally the Volkswagen Chiron I
53:05
can't or had alhamra uh all those
53:09
the no that was smaller um yeah but the
53:11
same idea or like the the Fiat oh my God
53:13
what the Fiat called uh
53:16
ulses yeah what was the ler called uh
53:21
it's now called the Voyager yeah but it
53:22
was something else I don't know I
53:25
thought they were great Min bands they
53:26
were just exceptional they were great
53:27
uses of space and I disppointed that nun
53:29
came to the US and and said we had the
53:30
wind star and the fre star we got the K
53:32
Rondo and the Mazda 5 which fun fact
53:34
Konda seven seats CK
53:38
DTM there's a lot of good ones I feel
53:40
like we've covered this a lot but
53:41
there's a lot of good ones what is you L
53:43
launcher model I must know okay here's a
53:46
great question oh kenan's just I know
53:48
kenan's response to this already filipo
53:50
you and I the fedra what was it p h e d
53:53
really apparently uh okay next question
53:56
question from Brown diesel wagon V8 when
53:58
thinking about Enthusiast cars versus
54:00
YouTuber SLR person cars like Kos versus
54:03
570s when I see a 570s all I know is
54:06
that guy's got money not all I know is
54:09
that he bought some Bitcoin like do you
54:11
do you ever think there will be an EV
54:13
that's known as an Enthusiast
54:15
car I actually like this question yeah
54:18
there already is yeah what is it Tesla
54:20
Roadster huh yeah when I see a Tesla
54:22
roer I don't think that person's an
54:23
Enthusiast I think they're like Elon
54:27
a lot car garag SE fundamentally in a
54:29
lease yeah but it's got a tip and it's
54:32
electric I've never I go to a lot of
54:33
garages I've never seen a Tesla Roadster
54:35
next to a 575 has a tip
54:41
okay okay this is an interesting
54:44
question uh yeah I don't know I don't
54:47
knowbe I think that okay you see
54:48
somebody in an ionic 5n you don't think
54:50
they're Enthusiast yeah I do but but
54:53
he's talking about like I think like
54:55
sports cars and there aren't any that
54:57
makes the question more interesting well
54:58
they're becoming more there in theory in
55:01
the next year or two will be more I got
55:02
to tell you when the REM when I when I
55:04
see REM NOA all the ones I've seen
55:06
around I don't necessarily think that
55:08
person's like an Enthusiast no do you
55:10
think that about a shiron no yeah that's
55:12
a good question that's that's a good
55:14
point like so that not really some of
55:17
them are but of but some of them are
55:19
just really rich guys any of those cards
55:21
if you're not interested I think there's
55:22
I think in order for there to be an tyon
55:25
a little bit when I see a tyon although
55:28
my they have no idea a tyon sport
55:31
Turismo looks yeah tyon sport Turismo
55:33
that's probably the most enthusiastic EV
55:36
right now especially like a good spec
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yes other than iic 5n is the most
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enthusastic E Yeah ionic 5n like who's
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spaying 70 grand for an ionic haven't
55:44
seen one yeah have not seen one on the
55:46
road we live in the place of new cars
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new electric cars too yeah especially
55:50
that so there the answer to the question
55:52
right now is I don't think there's one
55:54
specifically there are some that are
55:55
headed more in that Direction rson GT
55:58
although that's kind of a rich guy car I
55:59
think kind of the Enthusiast the way the
56:01
Enthusiast thing ties in is I've seen a
56:02
lot of EV swaps and interesting cars
56:04
that were either problematic or the
56:06
engine didn't make a difference in terms
56:08
of the experience yeah and so I've seen
56:09
stuff like that like there there's an
56:10
E30 M3 I think with an E swap that's
56:13
pretty cool EV West in San Diego like
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that was like those were Enthusiast
56:16
building cool Enthusiast things with
56:18
those happen but but in terms of like
56:20
actual manufacturers it's like I just
56:21
can't we're like on the fringes like
56:23
there's that the tyon and if you see a
56:25
tyon wagon and if you see an i 5n you
56:26
assume but yeah I generally agree like
56:29
it's it's not they're not tremendously
56:31
there yet but they will be but then what
56:33
new cars would you say are there like
56:35
that are not EVS uh GT3
56:38
RS 812 GTS like a sport turism sorry P
56:43
the equivalent like a Panamera eh paname
56:46
Sports Turismo sure but a lot of
56:48
Porsches I would assume someone's yeah
56:49
but that's just because there aren't
56:50
that many available like Enthusiast EVS
56:52
we're on the C for that reason not
56:54
because they're not cool there aren't
56:56
so we'll see what Happ will be
56:57
interesting no one th this will buy MV
57:00
uh the boxer in theory will be electric
57:02
that'll be interesting to see we'll see
57:04
we'll see the box is barely there it's
57:06
an interesting question and I'm curious
57:08
to see how it goes but right now there's
57:10
not that many cars that I would but I
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suspect the answer to the question the
57:13
question is do you ever think there will
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be an EV yeah probably we're going to go
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that direction they shift now that ionic
57:19
5n yeah it was it was we experienced the
57:22
future we experienced the future and it
57:24
and it's not so bad that's pretty cool
57:26
give it to us down here yeah and Toyota
57:28
said that might be something like do
57:30
they're not doing it for any production
57:31
cars but give me an electric manual
57:33
would be what about that LFA
57:36
thing ah we'll cover it next week you
57:39
won't be here I won't I will be maybe
57:41
driving around 97 you better be crazy
57:43
Nick I hope we'll update the Pod the
57:45
people in two weeks when you're back
57:47
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