Are YouTubers Controlling the Values of Cars? All the Cars Dead for 2025! and MORE!

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hello and welcome to this carpod I'm

kenon I'm felipo and there's a lot to

talk about today let's get right into it

starting with the news Jaguar noted

automaker that does not build any cars

has built two

cars it's a record Jaguar announced a

couple of months ago that they're taking

some time off of building cars like a

like someone who graduates from a

strenuous college would maybe take a

year off to to be a ski instructor in

Veil so but Jaguar classic which is

apparently something has built two e

types for a very wealthy customer in

Southeast Asia and they're the First new

e types that they've built since you

know the 70s here's an interesting thing

that I think yeah this wealthy person in

Southeast Asia the E type is the most

frequently restored easiest to find car

that's the thing he inste like what did

they charge this dude they probably

charged him the worth of Revenue that

they're missing from not building cars

yeah a brilliant move actually they

should just they they knew what they

were doing they should just build

one-offs for Rich Hong Kong people

what's fascinating is a couple years ago

five years ago 10 years ago I don't know

they did some like Restorations where

they took an ex like jaguar themselves

fully restored and kind of called it a

new version of it this was ground up

ground up the actual thing apparently it

took 2,000 hours of work which lets do

some math 2,000 hours of work how much

did you charge some of this stuff is

probably they had to create you know

from the right the if it really was

ground up like nobody's making wire

wheels in it how do they even get etc

etc like you can get through all that

what's interesting is you know $500 an

hour I don't know what Jaguar would

charge for their consulting fee what's

that a million a million yeah oh they

charge a lot more than that they charge

a lot more than a million so that's a

more lucrative than selling F Paces this

lead yeah this leads to the obvious not

selling FB other this leads to the

obvious question which is would they

build me an xj220

but with the the actual desired engine

well maybe with a V12 maybe with the

scissor doors or maybe just an x220

priced correctly which is at the like

$140,000 Mark I'll bet you the answer is

no um but it is interesting I also think

I have two thoughts on this one is like

it clearly has to show off what glare

classic division can do the fact they

can build from the ground up two new

examples is pretty wild Porsche did a

similar thing with the 993 a couple

years ago Aston Martin did a thing too

with the I think the DB5

but the other thing to me is like here's

a chance to own a reliable e type Rel e

type yeah imagine you one would think

I'm very well could be wrong but one

would think with modern technology

putting these cars together they're

Better Built than maybe they were doing

when this car was it say they're

electronic fuel injection and 5speed

manual they have a uh Bluetooth now I

noticed their right-and Drive which

probably is Hong Kong so maybe you'll

see if you live in Hong Kong maybe

you'll see them driving around now

Porsche keeps making career GT updates

like if you can send them your career GT

and they'll update it mhm really how

much they are heinous every single one

they've made has been the most heinous

thing you could possibly imagine like

green with green wheels and green seats

and green shift lever and a yellow

steering wheel you have a duty to our

listeners to call Porsche and say hey I

have a courage to you cuz you do huh and

be like charge how much would it charge

they'd be like well if you want it green

with green seats we still got some of

that lying around yep if you want

heinous with heinous heus over heus

because back in the crow GT was new

there wasn't a lot of personalization

stuff and so not a lot of people did it

and now that personalization has become

like the big thing with Porsche uh all

these rich guys are like I want to make

mine green with green seats and they

they're too rich to stop themselves The

Taste the taste does not factor in and E

Porsche announces every like year or so

we did another one and it's like oh

that's even worse than last year they're

all terrible okay what's our next new

story oh my god wow okay all right there

are a lot of cars that are dead for 2025

dead for 25 I would like to go through a

list all right go through the list yeah

I've already read the list and it's an

amazing list it's every Maserati have

you noticed that I haven't looked their

list in the days Car and Driver

publishes a list every year of the cars

that are dead and we've we've pulled it

up because it's very interesting all

right what do you got what do you got do

you want to guess any uh I it is

literally every Maserati except for the

G and the Grand Turismo and the mc20 but

like the quatro is gone the Levante is

gone the gibli is gone which was like

their bread and butter cars how's the

lante gone right it's the only moer I

see around yeah it was the answer is it

was on sale for a while and they can't

afford to redesign it so it's just gone

what else what else is on this list the

Audi A5 S5 RS5 the two doors the two

doors there's a new uh sport back which

is a replacement for the A4 right

they're still going to go with those um

and bad news for kenon the Chiron no

longer for sale yes going to be replaced

soon by the uh

tour yes p16 is opposed to a w they do

customers bad news for people that just

enlisted in the Army the Camaro is no

longer available starting in

2025 not wrong Camaro's gone but they're

going to redesign it and come out with

another one soon hopefully it'll be an

electric

SUV I'm trying to think about what they

will actually build so they're going to

do another one will they yeah they'll do

another one the Mustang's still going

strong they'll do another Camaro um

there are two Ferrari models that are

gone yes superseded it would be the 812

and I'm getting the f8 I assume the f8

spider yeah the very lose yes I will'll

give you one more do you want to keep

going this is interesting what else you

got uh the Mirage yeah the Mirage is

gone finally took 15 years very sadly

the mini Clubman the mini Clubman is

gone dead man when is that brand just

done I haven't seen any new Mini EVS

around have you they're going to cut

their way to

growth uh if you remove products that

nobody buys fundamentally but the

problem is nobody has any of their

products and so all these dealerships

remember the let's motor they had all

those cool ads they had a great little

game on their website that was like a

little goart thing yeah um when when is

the Clubman coming to the no sorry when

is the countrymen coming to the US

that's is it not already here the new

one I don't think so the new one yeah I

don't know it's not a beautiful vehicle

it's not beautiful I saw them in Europe

this summer they they they're okay I

always loved the countrymen because

people hate it CU it's like mini but

it's big why is it so big but it's like

a crossover is inherently boring and

that one isn't and so if you're going to

get a crossover that's like fun to drive

wasn't you think the new one is it's got

bigger well and uglier well you ever you

ever seen a you ever seen what a new

Countryman looks like no you ever seen a

Hyundai

Tucson yeah it's beautiful it has the

like the grill things and the the the

things Grill things I that is both

insane and oh there were some for sale

there were some for sale that doesn't

look so bad doesn't look as bad as I

remember the rear is not great though I

think if I recall yeah look to the left

there yeah it's not it's not it's not as

good as it was but it's still like what

are you going to get a Mazda cx30 I kind

of get like tell your ride

AOS you going to get a Kia SOS I would

you would God you drive around the truck

the Nissan Titan is gone the Titan's

finally gone it came out 05 20 years

Nissan tried to participate and for 20

years the market said no and for 20

years they tried and now they're finally

done uh I will give you one I'll give

you two last ones CU they're ones I care

a lot about the GTR the GTR is dead the

hurant uh yep um F type all Jags to be

honest all all

Jags

type types right back on a Toyota is

dead you want to guess what it is uh ven

correct well done the Vendo is dead that

lasted for God kenon is a shame care

about us and our things we care We Care

a Lot what else what else give us give

more it's isn't really dead it's just

been renamed the kiaforte the Forte is

now called the K4 and I've seen them

around yeah same they're also not

beautiful vehicles um Kon you don't care

about these cars are dead kenon dead

never return the VIN said they they did

one it was bad people bought it but it

was bad they canel it they came out with

it again it was bad people people didn't

buy it and they canel it oh okay you

know in

nature going to be a survival

we

die you know now of course like the cars

that I care about are just superseded

they're just replaced by their success

list of cars that are dead is always I'm

always SK the hurant isn't dead it's

replaced

byan yeah but Jaguar dead we can all

agree Jaguar Infinity basically dead the

Q50 is on this list oh yeah that's right

the Q50 is gone but the Cima is a little

sad let me ask you a question should the

GTR have been an Infinity like the NSX

was an Aira no that was the correct

marketing decision I no I I think I

think it was the right move but remember

when the NSX was an Aira I do and it

could have been a Honda like it was

everywhere else right but it was an Aira

same with the same with the with the

Acura Integra besides that RSX Acura

that's that Honda Inspire Honda wind

what do you need from me the TS was sold

as the cord in every other Market well e

the CSX remember those yes you remember

the accurate CSX of course it's the

Civic in Canada

yep what kind of question is that

um the the the the the non GTR Skyline

was of course the G35 G37 which was an

Infinity so why didn't they give us I

bet the GTR fans been an Infinity would

sold 10x would still be going

today they weren't ready to ramp up

Infinity badge production to that that

quantity right they they're only ready

to make 14 to 18 of them a year yep uh

okay give us the next thing what's the

next thing o some sort of uh thei su7

this is a Chinese Porsche tyon it

absolutely and guess why it is in the

news today without looking at our

document no it is in the news I saw this

tweet the CEO of Ford said he's driving

around in one I thought he said he was

in an SUV he had been you think cuz it's

su7 that it would be the SUV so he the

the the I mean that's s looks like a V

like when you flip it oh oh that's I see

it's like a boomerang I mean like it's

what you would name an SUV you be honest

you agree with me um Jim Farley who a CO

Ford I wouldn't name anything the shomi

su7 well they make a lot of cell phones

they made sense at the time um no matter

what that's what I would name anv uh so

so Jim Farley said he's driving around

in this car he was in the news a month

or so ago because he went to China on a

trip and came back and said my God the

Chinese are building way better cars BV

than we are y they brought over I don't

know six nine months ago 10 a year ago

this su7 as a like test vehicle as as

manufacturers do right they buy cars

from competitors J he said in an

interview this week that uh he spent the

last six months pretty much daily

driving that U7 and loves

it it's interesting though like it's a

great I think it's a great sign that it

manufacturer especially one that is as

internationally notable as Ford is they

sell cards all over the world it's

important that they are aware of

competitors outside of the Chevy Equinox

EV right I mean Detroit Detroit is a

bubble and this is as far to the bubbl

as you can get I agree with Farley about

Chinese electric cars you know it's

interesting everybody's all Tesla Tesla

but in China it's what is it B Fang what

is the company that that that is so

popular what is it not about I had that

one oh yeah yeah yeah the Builder Dre

okay we'll go back to we'll we'll do

some creative editing I think that was

acceptable okay but anyway um but

everybody's like Tesla Tesla in China

byd is like this hot thing and they have

all these cars yeah and they have all

sorts of tech yeah and I I'm on all

sorts of Chinese car Instagrams and I

love them and they there's a lot of cool

cars in China there's a lot of cool cars

and it used to be that like you had to

sell in North America if you wanted to

be a really successful automaker because

the market was so large and so like the

French companies were never going to be

like like at that level of success cuz

they weren't selling here now the

Chinese companies can just ignore

America their Market there is so large

they don't care if we buy their cars or

not they don't need if you're successful

in China that's really all you need to

be yeah because there's all these

regulatory requirements and all these

other markets and it's interesting that

Farley thought this was a cool car and

is driving around on it I'm curious how

other people would respond to them they

certainly have amazing Tech Giant

screens everywhere you you should get on

these Chinese car Instagram I might have

to join them I can't understand any of

it right but the are cool yeah it's like

a three-year-old the the US government

and the Canadian government and a lot of

others have taken a stance of we don't

want to have Chinese CS in the US will

put very large tariffs will massively

disincentivize it if we allow it at all

Canada went a little bit further and

just kind of pretty much ban them so I'm

glad though that the SE of the company

that is making the third most EVS in the

US is at least like paying attention to

what other markets and other manufactur

are doing because Tesla is number one by

far but Chevy or GM number two in EV

sales Q3 this is global and no in the US

and Q3 Chevy it is interesting all these

Chinese cars are interesting and the

Americans don't really have any clue

what's going on over there and they are

ahead and you know it is it's also

interesting we are so clinging to

combustion engines and they are going so

far ahead with this EV technology and

when we finally are forced to catch up

they're going to have a huge competitive

Advantage because we've been so

protectionist and so anti- leing Japan

in the 70s where fuel efficient cars yep

that's exactly right it's the same thing

all over again so the American

automakers at least know that in our are

trying to yeah I mean the Maki is a

tremendously competent car but it's

amazing what's what's going on you

should see the minivans you should see

the tell kenon two true facts about a

car called The Yang Wang u8 made made by

byd I'll I'll retain these sure go all

right it is a large SUV it has 1,200

horsepower okay it can

float this is all true see what are we

doing this is the Chinese this is what

I'm saying the Chinese have are eating

are lunch they are way ahead they're

building floating cars and we're driving

around in nonfloating cars it does not

Li it could float for 30 minutes if it

fences water it will Elevate its

suspension turn off the engine I'm

reading this out here switch its HVAC to

recirculation mode and seal the windows

now of course that's great in concept I

wonder how reliable that is and how it

often how reliable it is let's go to a

get a little wet and then all of a

sudden everything starts let's go to a

boat ramp in Shanghai let's find out it

can drive 1.8 mph while floating so it's

not just floating it is moving like a

boat two miles of course now if if the

current is 1.9 miles hour you got a

problem actually problem that's an

interesting point because it can only

float for 30 minutes so you get out on

the lake okay you and me we take it to a

public park in Shanghai right we get out

on the lake like next to some paddle

boats that look like swans we get out on

the lake suddenly the wind comes we're

15 minutes out the wind comes 15 minutes

we're trying to get back in our Yang

Wang u8 2 mph and we're thinking this

1200 horsepower isn't doing much for us

right now 1200 horsepower 1.9 milph

we're fighting that current we're

fighting that current and all of a

sudden minute 31 comes and the Yang Wang

slowly starts to sink and then we have

to yell to the people on the Swan Boats

please help us exactly and I'll just say

shut up shut up I'm working Cape

race but you remember that famous veyon

video where Veron L and wouldn't have

happened in yangang wouldn't happen in a

Yang Wang UA would have just landed and

floated man I got to get me a Yang Wang

UA why isn't Jim Farley driving around

were some Yang Wang 8 press cars in the

US briefly and I was so disappointed

that we didn't get one how can I be

involved myself I don't know we got a

lot of emails that are a little shady

about whether you want to do promotions

with something well the yeah it is

interesting that the Vietnamese and the

Chinese Auto Vietnamese vinfast and the

Chinese automakers like want to pay me

to review the cars and I'm like that

it's not really how it works I'm

actually good thanks although I would

take money to review a Yang Wang u8 and

drive it into a a lake lake we'd take it

into the harbor honestly wouldn't cost

anything dude that would be so cool go

to a boat launch the one at um drive it

in we'd go to the boat launch the one at

San Diego in in the harbor by Seaworld

and people would be like launching their

boats off their Dodge Rams and we would

just drive our Yang Wang U right in and

start start the timer people like what

yeah right and people like what is that

we' be like Yang Wang and we' wave to

them as and

then so embarrassing they would do like

boat Donuts around us we get passed by

like a duck paddling

out but you're in 1,200 horsepower SUV

who cares give us the next thing give us

the next thing ah yes finally something

interesting to talk about so

unfortunately we couldn't discuss it

last week just due to timing but the

Ferrari f80 not the BMW f80 the Ferrari

f80 is has been announced as far as I'm

concerned there is no more BMW f80 this

is the f80 yes so this is this is

Ferrari's new superar this will succeed

the L Ferrari it has a 1,184 horsepower

3 l twin turbocharged V6 wait a second

the Yang Wang also has one 1,184

horsepower and this can't float so you

know I mean your move Ferrari yeah

exactly I know which one I would buy of

course it's it also has hybrid assist as

three electric motors two for driving

the front wheels one for the for the

reset so it's the first Ferrari Supercar

to have all-wheel drive which is

interesting it does 0 to 60 reportedly

according to Ferrari in 2.2 seconds and

it's going to be about $3.1 million

again that's kind of speculative but you

can imagine that's what it'll be so

however you don't like it no cuz it's a

V6 I think yeah that's Ken's going to

get pulled dragged Kicking and

Screaming fundamentally the f80 also

went from from a larger engine to a

smaller engine a tradition it's a

tradition when you name something the

f80 Ken kenon I just said the Chinese

are eating our lunch with these things

we need to go electric and go smaller

engines the yangang Wang u8 floats right

float what does that have to do with the

Ferrari f80 because he's over here

should float

no he's over here complaining cuz the

engine's not big enough meanwhile

China's like we don't care about engines

we're making floating cars they're going

to have flying cars pretty soon you're

going to look up in the sky and fly

Chinese will be flying in they don't

even need to fly on an airplane they

Yang as we discussed that's fine for

daily usable cars but this is a Ferrari

this is a piece of Automotive who car

it's ultimately the goal is to have the

best performance Poss if your Ferrari at

this moment in

time has more performance's ins here the

whole point of a Ferrari is in the cars

that the the people who buy them want an

experience the people that buy them will

never drive them and they just want to

park them in their garage that's true

and say they bought one that is true

however Sami Hagar La Ferrari that you

couldn't drive it it was too

ugly different problem actually similar

problem it was Tan on tan well but

there's a quote from the design boss

that I want to read and he said we

didn't want to get carried away with

nostalgic or continuative idea and

that's why we did a V6 now and a hideous

I love that Ferrari doesn't do Nostalgia

that's the cool thing about Ferrari they

don't do Nostalgia the rear of the F40

the F50 the Eno share a lot with it but

but they're not retro that was

Ferrari moving forward at the time now

they Ferrari doesn't do Nostalgia they

don't they don't do old school designs

you're right they don't do Nostalgia

except for that the sf90 looked like the

f8 which looked like they all all those

look like the 48 they that's not a retro

design from the' 60s that's a a new

design that they're trying to the doind

doind yeah done doesn't look at all like

the Daytona the cindry has a the front

is a little Dayton right let me like

Ferrari California with the vent in the

hood that doesn't look like that's not

reminiscent of the one that came there

are minor retro look you're missing the

point this thing is cool as the sp3

Daytona which is designed to look for

from the the Icona series none of those

sp1 did the sp3 look like I want to buy

it tell me about it it was supposed to

look more like the P3 and the P4 but my

my my point yeah yeah and also the icon

what what what Ferrari that's a new idea

you're missing the point Ferrari is

moving forward while you are stuck in

the past you're sitting here like why

don't you give me a V12 and a manual

this thing is the future I just told you

China is making a 1200 horsepower spe

floats which is faster than this

probably floats the point is though the

Ferrari is always the post technology

and you're right about that however it's

just I think that the Ferrari Supercar

Heritage line ends with the Daytona that

came before the sp3 Daytona I think

that's where I think it goes 288 F40 50

Enzo laer that it goes F40 F50 Enzo

Daytona sp3 those are the big four as

far as I'm you don't like the 28 I don't

consider the 288 I don't consider the La

Ferrari we we'll see about this I got to

drive it why did they call the f80

because okay so there was the F40 yeah

there was the F50 then there would have

been the f60 and f70 but they we called

them other their stuff right now we're

back picking up on what they're putting

down so there a little Heritage thing

they don't do her they say they're going

to make 799 of them of course it's

Ferrari so they say they're make $799

yes so they'll make a thousand and

that's before they make a convertible

right exactly they're going to lie and

make a thousand of them and then they'll

make a convertible yeah that's that's

wild they're going to make 2,000 of

these right 3,000 4,000 no no but

seriously they'll make 2,000 cuz they'll

make 799 coups that's a th000 and then

they'll make 500 convertibles that's 600

yeah but they're going to make 1,600

we're going to see these around yeah

yeah which again takes away from how

special it is because it's you don't

want to see

it you like how it looks I love how it

looks I like how it looks from the back

in particular I think like the the rear

the way it like outlines the rear wheels

is really cool which is very much like

the SP the sp3 love how it looks I think

it is so cool and I'm I haven't been a

big fan of Ferrari design language in

the postpin finina era but this look at

that look at that pull that up I just

want just leave that picture up for the

rest of the week really yeah look at

that that is that's a Ferrari super

Ferrari was derivative it was boring

this is not boring you look at this and

you say that car is here to kill people

first they went six cylinders so they

put that's like all right but I think

there there are a couple things I like I

kind of like this is like reminiscent of

like a knad duct is like the idea I

think of the design there it is forward

to looking I don't think it's that

derivative of anything they've done like

unlike a lot of designs they've done

recently so I actually like but it is

wild that the family hauler SUV you get

an na12 but the Supercar you get a you

get a little turbocharge V6 it's got

12200

it's got slightly more the same

horsepower as the Yang Wang u8 but the

whole point of a Ferrari is like they

used to say what you pay for is the

engine we throw in the rest for free in

this case they gave if it were the the

engine out of the Formula 1 car the V6

out of the formul one car I could get it

now it's allegedly related to their

their Lal winning car sure but like

tangentially I think so you you're

really upset about the what how is this

a surprise to you I mean this it's not a

surprise it's just like I thought it

would be I thought the next one would be

a twin turbo V8 not a v I will tell you

this the Daytona sp3 is cooler there's

no doubt no question the Daytona sp3 is

cooler it's a convertible they made

fewer of them it's an nav2 with no hyper

it's it looks crazy na2 with no hybrid

stuff if I could afford a Dayton sp3 I'd

buy one how much is the Dayton sp3 like

right now they're like five in the used

Market it's a lot of money what were

they new two and a half so this is more

than MSRP MSRP also Ferrari did a

demonstration lap this past weekend

where they took the car on and showed

people like in Italy and it was all you

heard was I know I know the sound wasn't

great but this is the future the Chinese

the Chinese cars float yes but Ferrari

is about emotion and it has no sound

which is the half the reason you buy a

Ferrari recently I drove a pinen Farina

Batista oh and that car has sound but

it's also electric and it does 0 to 60

in one point one I don't know fast L I

would rather listen to my 355 or

producer Sean's Ferrari 360 go around

and listen to the sound of an engine and

enjoy it then have no sound at all like

it just it just isn't appealing to me

none of these car your Jazz yeah you're

not wrong I had a 355 I listened to alth

although I think you're not wrong I love

this car I think it's cool as hell I

will say I think the reaction from the

democratization speed has become so

accessible that just having is not

enough 0 to 60 and 22 and a 1,200

horsepower that's not special anymore so

they got to do other things to make it

special like floating I wonder if they

considered it but it's beautiful and

they've done that and it's fast and

that's cool and it's going to be great I

don't know about beautiful it's

beautiful

all Ferrari super cars are striking

except for the 288 GTO which was which

he doesn't think is a super car even

though it had the same engine as the F40

but we'll move on the I I think that I

don't know a time will tell of course I

would like to see in person same engine

as the Enzo I mean yeah that's that's

also true but that came after but you

know but nonetheless new Ferrar Supercar

is here and it's named after a BMW can I

say one quick thing about this last week

or two weeks ago we talked about how we

thought the W1 the McLaren new Supercar

yeah was

nothing I think that that they're

legitimately helped by Ferrari like they

were with the P1 with Ferrari launching

a similar super car creates competition

yeah are you aware of what the W1

claimed 0 to 60 time is oh hopefully

it's under two no what is it 2.7 oh so

that's what they claim model three

performance my buddy Brett's got one of

those he paid like $46,000 for it but

all this also is like all right now the

Porsche thing we're waiting for the

Porsche now like but the Porsche is

going to be fully like I need you I want

to tell you this now so that you can

prepare yourself for it because you seem

to be very upset about the fer I could

have told you be V6 hybrid the Porsche

is going to be fully electric okay the

mission X is going to be fully electric

it's got It's not going to have an

engine it's going to be fully electric

it may float what if it flies would you

like it then oh yeah if they can make it

fly yeah you'd be into that yes that

would be cool okay I'll take float I'll

I'll take floating from Porsche if they

can do that all right I'll tell them I

I'm going into the dealer in a couple

days I'll let them know we want the next

to fly okay thank you tell all right we

got another new oh God stick with me so

this is a pretty intense picture here so

for those of you can't see this is a RTO

on fire now Lamborghini has issued a

recall recently for the for the RTO

specifically there are 455 of them in

the United States currently they've been

delivered which makes sense which is

impressive in its own right that and

that made sense why I'm seeing so many

of them but like they're around yeah but

455 they made the rec this happened

recently that one burned to the ground

on social media some influence

uh no ites here in the United States a

McDonald of memory serves me uh and this

like I mean catastrophic fire however

the recall has nothing to do with it's

for the wiper arm there's like evidently

like the post on the wiper like bends

and then it like might cause it to bind

but meanwhile this car is literally on

fire can I tell you something about this

and why they didn't recall it for fire

yeah I've seen a lot about this uhhuh

combustion engines there's a combustion

so like

there's like constant like explosions in

your engine it's surprising that more

cars don't catch on fire Ag and so like

that car one of the combustions happen

outside of the combustion area well you

know and so it just Happ I was I let me

tell I was in DC the other day I was

driving in Georgetown and there was a Q5

on fire and you know that I don't see

any recalls there but same deal you got

a lot of little explosions happening one

of them's going to be big one day you

see what I'm saying so this is just it

happens dude and PE when it's a Lambo

people take pictures of it when it's a

Pon at Grand Prix people are like yeah

you're a pine

cone the thing the combustions they do

have an in combust shaver one did

definitely happen out here but this is

indicative that something bigger is

might be wrong there might be another

recall coming you know he didn't light

it on fire himself and then just start

complaining he's an influencer he maybe

wants to influence people maybe he's

trying to sell a fire extinguisher

brand boom maybe little late though then

one would think that he would have used

it to put it out maybe he did after

maybe he's trying to sell a fire starter

like a like a lighter fluid now if it

were whistling diesel I'd be into this

but like it's it's it isn't I don't

think and based on his reaction to the

video it did not sound play all I'm

saying is it's surprising more cars

don't catch on fire because there's a

lot of fire inside cars when I was a kid

I feel like more cars did catch on fire

well in Italy I mean people were people

were lighting stuff on fire to stay I

have a distinct memory of coming out of

like of my Like Preschool and there was

a fat panda with a fire just in the

engine bit though had had spread yet huh

the lady like the old lady was just

standing next to it Hood up fire blar oh

did she should have closed the hood well

I mean to his point that is where a fire

would begin to be in the engine bay

probably but like everybody was very

nonplused about it well well I mean a

New Day in Italy weird stuff happens

it's like New York City right exactly

you kind of walk past it all right we

got any other news no that is all no we

got no news but we do want to talk about

cars talk cars talk cars talk

cars we do pull up C32 greatest car in

the history of cars and bids is live

right now wow Rena Sports spider we do

have that yeah that is but the

C32 there it is I want this car what is

it bidding at 10 currently at 10 G's I

want this car very bad live for about

five minutes I was in Vienna a couple of

weeks ago maybe a couple months and I

saw one of these on the street and I

took a picture of it this was the F1

safety car Cannon this was the F1 sa

yeah I remember it made F1 safe was this

the one that got

hit was it the one

you've ever seen this clip no they they

they go to this wreck and they open the

door is that that's what happed they go

to this wreck they're very scared oh the

car's wrecked we got to check on the

driver they open the door and another

car comes

bam anyway this car has been imported

these were not sold in the US this car

has been imported and federalized so

it's US legal even though it's not 25

years old absolutely incredible I want

one I want in general one of these so

badly but this one is so Co that's a

great color designo mocha black which

see the interior no but I

black show them what a designo mocha

interior looks like look at that I'm not

going to lie to you that is the color

scheme of my car yours has a brown

interior although the mine is brown with

black accents not black brown real

Brown great interior pictures like the

doors are brown this is legitimately

what my car is modeled after it turns

out I want one of I want this car so

much these are special cars yeah but you

won't we never got I won't buy this one

we never got AMG C-Class wagons in the

United States ever to this day we still

have never gotten one they now sell the

43 Wagon in Canada but it's kind of a

consolation prize it's not the big V8 um

they all are cool I wanted a c43 98 to

2000 I want the C32 which was like 01 to

04 the really cool one to have though is

the next one the c-55 but it didn't come

out till middle of 04 and so that's

still 5 years away so I'm like H this is

they're getting close I mean you made

the point that these cars from the early

2000s are like knocking on the doorstep

of being importable I mean this car is

is Le I mean they fed Iz it and it's

even carb they got a carb sticker but in

three years actually two years cuz they

came out in o02 you're going to be able

to get one just without doing all that

but it's so cool now I don't personally

like the W 203 the W 203 had its issues

but I the wagon's the best version and

might be the best of the best and by the

way when I say it's issues I'm not

referring to reliability these are

actually pretty reliable cars my

problems with it were I never liked how

it looked and the interior quality is

not all that great yeah but that's also

true the next one the C63 the 08 that

was the worst interor in the world and I

want one one of those more I would eat

you if someone was offering me a C63

wagon but you have to eat fipo be like I

have seen you give me a knife and fork

medium rare

please

thanks it is it is quite a car it is

cool to see but it just gets me excited

about like you said about what's again

this is an exception but like the cool

stuff that I dreamt of as a kid is

coming yeah like and you'll be able to

get it that we couldn't get here can we

talk about one of the cars that is that

what's that the Renault the Renault

Sports spider you know about this car I

love I totally forgot about this car I

totally forgot this car even existed

I'll be honest with you I have been

thinking about this car for a while I

You' mentioned it you think we fit it's

little uh yeah no I think so I it is

little but like like the Elise the ins

interior space is pretty well managed I

think it will fit why did they make this

okay what is it for the people that

aren't looking at our Renault Sports

spider is a convertible Renault but it

was like a track car I mean it had like

a it's more than a convertible it no it

has no roof it has no windows cross

that's just that's just like an air

deflector air deflector L thing but it

truly like look at the side profile

where is this car can I review no

windows that's in

Virginia so this car came out the timing

of this car was unfortunate Renos spor

brought this car out exactly when the

Elise came out and so unfortunately the

Elise always overshadowed it but they

wanted a lightweight driver focused car

that was just purely about the Driving

Experience I mean cuz it is completely

impractical and about nothing else it

was so insane I'll never forget seeing

pictures of it as a kid being like what

is this ridiculous car and I had a roll

bar from the factory OE roll bar yeah

pretty legit the whole car car it's so

where is it where is Virginia Virginia

yeah um God I know I legitim truly why

is it not in our office right now a good

question if you buy that C32 wagon I

will pay you the same you paid for it in

a year you'll bring it to the office and

I'll get jealous and after a while it

I'm not I know you would I think it

would take two months take two months

but I'm just not interested okay filipo

tell us about your top cars yeah what I

am interested in it's buying a 997.2

okay every week on the Pod I'm gonna buy

this I'm gonna buy that but this week

there's actually a car that has come up

site unfortunately it's not on the site

but I just want one a picture of one up

generally there is a car that has come

up and filipo is interested in it it's a

997.2 Carrera baseer with a stick super

base Nicki Minaj y but what do you what

do you tell us about it please all right

it's in North Carolina very close to

where I used to live I will be in North

Carolina coincidentally for personal

reasons starting

tomorrow I'm going to go look at it I'm

talking to the guy tonight please buy it

please there's a real I number that

you're at is very reasonable it's a nice

car please to get down for us do it for

me and do it for M Audi robot Mike Mike

Audi robot is convincing no less

interesting here's here's my concerns

I've never I've never spent money on a

car $27,000 is the most I've ever spent

this would be at least high 30s if I'm

successful

never bought a fun car for myself it's

actually a fun car the Fiat is like it's

a fun car it's a fun car but like it's a

lowrisk low reward fun car I think it's

pretty dude it's so loud I drove it home

yesterday last night can't believe how

loud this thing it's also was very fun

antisocial like cold start on a 500 a

bar is aggressive you can be you can

drive so aggressively and you're still

only going 35 miles hour and it's a joy

and I treat it like absolute yeah you do

yeah I drive it so hard which is not my

personality for anything else except for

when I'm driving the fat you get a 99

but I want something more special and

I've never had I've never driven a 911

you it is a lot of money but I'm telling

you you'll get out of it for the same

money you put into it you're bringing it

to California the the land of

convertibles it's a it's a Cabriolet

he's not going to do this if he doesn't

do this I think if he doesn't do this we

don't talk to him about buying I think

he's he's used up his his he's cried

wolf he's

CRI bear pygm maret

and theater even but yeah

he yeah I need to do it I need to do

something I need a special car of some

kind I need to like build out the

collection of cars that I've owned

because right now it's very weak and I

think a 991 would be great you admit

that yeah gladly here's here's a real

question all right first of all I'll be

in North Carolina and then up the

Eastern se you ship it you dummy you're

not I could drive it home you sh you're

not driving it from North Carolina

California why D from cforia you you get

paid good money you value your it be for

there's no joy in sitting on the freeway

in Oklahoma going 71 mph behind a truck

that's going 71 mph passing another

truck that's going 69 mes hour in a in

an 80 Zone what if I want to have road

rage with a nan you could do that I

could do that I do that here though to

be fair um ship it would you okay I'm

going from North Carolina up to like new

yorkish could I should I drive it and

then ship it from there delivery little

road trip that sounds like a great idea

you should definitely drive it up to 95

experience Northeast in a

911 here's a real question do I PPI it

no it's a it would be like a high 30s

car it it has great service records have

different opinions about this than other

people I don't know I I don't know what

your tolerance for risk is that's the

question I've done car ppis before that

haven't uncovered what I needed them to

uncover and I go into any car purchase

just assuming I'm going to write a big

check but I'm also able to do that it

depends on what your what Your Life

situation is just buy the car okay a

we're going to talk about it it's a

997.2 so a lot of issues resol from Ben

there's no IMS issue there's a bunch of

other like reliability things memory not

really those cars are reliable right

exactly like they've been resolved for

the do two this car has pretty extensive

service records two owners from new own

it for 12 years y I think can I get away

without doing PPI yeah for a car like

this yeah honestly it's because car yeah

I would budget 10 to 15% that you'll I

can four grand I would budget that

you'll need four grand to bring it up to

kind of the the standard that you want

it to yeah which is your usual approach

you know my standards they're low but if

like a if like a turn signal is broken

or a g fuel gauge is broken a turn

signal is broken break for you I don't

know on porches I thing all right we're

going to move on to our I don't trust

you but I want you to buy a week from

now I won't be on the podcast a week

after that I will be back and I might

tell you about my purchase if you don't

we are never going to talk to you about

buying a car again please just do

something I don't even blame you at that

point you cried chameleon

the boy he cried giraffe I'm not wearing

the shirt today I'm sorry okay next up

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right I want to talk about the market

report I want to talk about the Ferrari

812 we just sold the Ferrari 812 GTS

this exact Ferrari 812 GTS yeah we sold

it for

$522,000 a great number merely weeks ago

it had failed to hit reserve on the

bring a trailer for 5 how much 14

$514,000 so we got more money for this

car and you know that got us thinking

yeah what is the situation on the bring

a trailer versus cars and bids pull up

it happens a lot we we track a lot of

examples where a car failed to meet

Reserve unbr trailer and then sold on

our site or also some cases where they

sold it's sold later a couple months

later trailer the new owner want to get

rid of it whatever the same car the same

vent and that's always people are

thinking do does bring a trailer get

more money Well here here's we have some

we did a bunch of work to get to like

track down all these byin Vin by VIN and

our data shows that in Q3 we got 1.3%

more money so same car 1.3% how many

cars is this 60 70 80 pretty small range

6070 cars we got 1.3% more more money

and we got 70% more views and 70% more

bits so way more people are seeing cars

when they're on cars and bids when

people are bidding on cars when they're

on cars and bids uh than anywhere else I

will let the audience make their own

conclusions but we have some factual

factual including this 812 which just

brought more than it did across the

street as I often say across the street

this specific car got about 8,000 more

views and double the number of bids than

that same auction a few weeks ago bring

each other well there you go the

audience can draw their conclusions they

wish we've told you some facts facts and

the this data was over the last quarter

yeah Q3 all right Q3 he he lives in

quarters you and I weeks days months

he's like Q3 that's true H H2 that's

what they call it now second half of the

year they call we want to have dinner I

can't till Q4 can't till Q4 well luckily

we're in Q4 for Q4 but I have told

people that q1 uh I want to talk about

last market report before we move on to

questions I want to talk about the Honda

Pilot I didn't see what was the result

okay we sold an 04 Honda Pilot e EXL we

sold an 04 here we are talking about how

we get more money for 812 gts's we're

going to move on we're going to Pivot

now hard pivot hard pivot this was a

special pilot in that it had low miles

and was one over Califoria 15 grand oh

my

God we I I grew up my family own an 03

Honda Pilot EX we didn't splur for the

leather or the nav fun fact for the

first generation of Honda Pilot you

could get leather with either the EXL

with just leather you could get it with

either the rear seat entertainment or

the navigation cannot do both yeah the

MDX was like that wait but you didn't

have an LX you're over here talking

about how you're the poor little

immigrant from Italy you guys didn't get

thankfully thankfully my family did UPG

that and we as a result we didn't have

seers and we had tint and we didn't have

a

plastic this honestly the pl oh you no

okay got it the LX had the plastic side

it had it had this was plastic but only

that not the front rear just that I I

was going to say though this the it's so

period it's so period I want to talk

about it

because when did cars from 04 I guess we

were just talking about two different

cars from the early 2000s the Ros fors

late ' 90s but it looked like a 2,000

car like these are coming nostalg I'm

nostalgic for a couple of 04 cars yeah

kenon you got any Nostalgia for some 04s

I mean I live in O2 so there we go it's

just interesting this is a it's a great

example one I get why somebody paid up

for it they reliable they're good cars

but it's a regular car okay let me ask

you this and I'm dead serious about this

cuz this happens a lot that people will

pay up for a for a the pilot Just Hits

home let let me let me let me throw a

little a little curveball at your brain

what if it's someone just buying a used

car and they think you know what this

has 40,000 miles one owner all-wheel

drive 15 grand dude a new Pilot's 50

right like I'm dead serious like what if

it's just someone who it's not like

someone who's going to museum piece it

what if they're just going to use it

what else can you get for 15 that's

going to run this car's got 40,000 mies

it's got 100,000 miles left in it well

maybe 50 before the transmission goes

put no no the transmission were fine

legitimately these had good transes

which which Pilots had bad ones no

Pilots had bad ones oh I'm I'm not

joking I'm not joking were not they were

not that issue we sold our in yeah

there's a lot of bits in 2014 we sold

our Hond pilot which had 130 140,000 Mi

at a lot of rust for $500 well we could

have driven 100,000 miles does 100,000

miles cost us 15 grand I guess my point

is just like when I think about this

it's insane when you think about a used

Honda Pilot an 04 Honda Pilot is selling

for 15 grand that's insane but when you

think about a used three row SUV with a

lot of life left in it is selling for 15

grand you start thinking you know what's

a 4Runner I mean I know it can go

Offroad but if you don't want off-road

you just want a reliable SUV what's an44

with 39,000 miles 15 I don't know you

get my point maybe it's just someone who

like wants a used car and it's going to

be a great one the irony of that and the

10 year newer Jeep Cherokee that's in

the reflection in the photo same cost

well then because you're paying up for

quality and not saying anything bad

about the Jeep Cherokee but it's

trash just what the these are what

people in noia for now I guess they want

the car from early 2000s maybe I don't

know if it's Nostalgia if it was if I'm

buying a car for a 16-year-old and this

thing shows up I'm like you know what

this car's got a lot of life left it's

reliable it's like this is a pretty good

choice EXL means that I think it also

has stability control that that may have

come in no5 I mean to put it this way

it's like I think if you showed up to I

mean it's slightly outside the the cut

off but if you showed up to radwood and

this I don't think people would freak

out about it I don't think the Nostalgia

is strong enough not yet yet

when we come up with what's the 2000s

version of radwood that will eventually

show up what is that called wood I havea

when that eventually happens this thing

pulls up with the pilot branded car bra

y th this is my I've sent I've

discovered through this listing that our

pilot which was this color was Starlight

silver Starlight silver had no idea okay

next we move on to questions questions

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first question most popular from one uis

Mary kill kiss oh oh Doug kenon Z F1

F40 sorry I get the opportunity to kill

Kenan and

Doug zand F1 F40 tough tough tough it's

not that tough well you marry the F1 yep

okay you kill the zanda yeah kiss the

F40 kill the Z yeah probably the same I

don't know though because I think the Z

wonderful it's it's wonderful and a lot

more useful but it doesn't say Ferrari

on it so oh what would you do Fanboy

probably the same I might switch the F40

and the Z but at the end of the day I'd

marry the F12 I I I like to pretend I'm

not an F1 guy but you saw that orange

one see that orange one driving around

dorf that's all I want yeah filipo yours

was p 206cc Rena cleo3 RS or markv

R32 kill the R32 of course it was sold

here right and not by the French I don't

sorry what were the first options 20 206

CC remember that c hard type convertible

and then Renault cleo3

RS cleo3 RS I oh man I I actually really

hate the 206 CC although I good memories

of one the

cleo3 was like early looks like early to

mid 2000s I marry the

cleo3 and go on a date with the 206 yeah

you put the top down have a good time

okay next question from xj40 JAG hi Doug

why did you stop trying out the back

seats of cars with small back seats you

know a lot of reasons but the biggest is

that I have significant back problems

and it was always hard to get into those

back seats and it's even harder now part

of my back is numb right now as we sit

here you could pinch me if you want do

you want to come over and pinch me in

the butt I truly I can't express in

English to you how little I want to do

that well you could okay you could and I

wouldn't feel it so I got that's that's

an issue I'm getting older you know and

uh it's getting harder but I I still

show you the back seat and it's great

okay next question from Austin

m330 what cars and& bid's Channel video

ideas have been attempted SL recorded

but then thrown out and not uploaded

anything you really wanted to work but

failed Austin you under you

underestimate you overestimate our

professionalism

if we've if we're filming something it's

going

up we're not Mr Beast we're not sitting

around here like discarding 13 ideas on

The Cutting Room floor this is what we

are the beauty of the Cs and bids

channel is that we can test content yeah

that's exactly what we've been doing

right there's not much that doesn't get

put up no and most of it's fun like most

of it is is good enough to make it and

some of it doesn't do well but it's

still still fun it still goes it's

always fun I do have a theory every once

in a while a producer will say oh I'm

sorry the audio was really bad on that

think it we're not I think he just

didn't a like the video and I think

he'll admit that later off camera uh

okay next question from Dodge Demon 170

which is you know the fastest Dodge

Demon despite its its small number is an

Android version of your app coming fipo

we're discussing that a lot we've loved

hearing the kind of outpouring of

interest in the Android app you can keep

emailing us

apps.com uh can send an email to that

who monitors that you several of us

several of us yeah um so you please keep

letting us know if you do want an

Android app uh we're figuring out what

the right strategy timeline Etc is H wow

diplomatic yeah diplomatic I mean what

he really wants to say is get an iPhone

um I I was an Android person till Doug

offered me offered to buy me a

sweatshirt in exchange for getting never

bought me a sweatshirt was something no

this is like years I don't know this

years ago years ago do you still have

said sweatshirt I don't think he ever

bought me a specific sweatshirt you want

a sweatshirt I'll get you a sweatshirt

please uh okay next question from Dark

End is this is a great question is there

any evidence of YouTubers actually

driving up car prices like movies did in

the past um and if so what was the car

that happened to I got to be honest with

you people whenever I post a video

people are like oh you're telling the

secret of this car now people are going

to buy it and it's going to be too

expensive that's like a common criticism

I get but like 300,000 people are going

to watch the video half of them are not

in the United States like and and and

some of them are 12 and some of them are

70 you know and and aren't really in

buying a a a 86 Civic kind of space it's

a Nostalgia play and I don't think that

this happens usually oh however however

I do think I drove up the prices on

those convertible G wagons I think

people didn't know they existed and when

I did that like immediately after my

video they started taking off and like

celeb started getting them I set that

Trend however that was a big commitment

like I think like people who just do a

video on a car doesn't really happen for

me I bought the car I did a whole thing

on do Instagram post like it got out

there in the Consciousness a bit more I

think the impact is also a little bit

driven by what is the you get to see the

lived experience of owning that car and

that gives you confidence maybe to buy

like you see a YouTuber you see their

experience with whatever car like oh I I

could do this that's a great point when

when we were kids akun was a black hole

like you hear it's unreliable you hear

you don't know anything but now you can

actually like stradman will give you the

data on his like Veyron right you know

exactly what that thing cost to own and

that has opened up like the ability to

see these cars more as things you

potentially could get um I will say that

our friend Ed Bolan who I love dearly I

think he has kind of hyped up the

Lamborghini mercy Alo in a way that it

deserves but is interesting just a

little bit I'm I'm I don't believe in

doing this by the way I've been accused

of this before of hyping up a car that I

own and then selling it for a profit

truth is I don't sell any of my cars

anymore really and I certainly haven't

made money on him you know but he's

certainly not the only like I I

personally think like I think Magnus

Walker drew a lot of attention to air

cooled 911s when they were kind of cheap

just used cars there are definitely some

examples of influencers who have had and

that's a great one and Ed is one for

Mercy's and tamaran and that whole like

ecosystem um I think it happens but I

think it's a lot rarer than people think

people are like if I post a video people

think that suddenly that car is now

going to be too expensive and it's like

it's not that easy no it's not that no

it takes it would take a long time even

so like I I don't think it's but when

when people when some influencers buy a

car commit to it make a big deal out of

it talk it up with Rarity it definitely

does get other people kind of thinking

like okay you know yeah and when when an

influencer Clash crashes a McLaren Sena

then the number of senas is less and

that also helps that true yes it ALS

yeah here's a strategy buy 12 McLaren C

crash seven of them the other five go up

in value enough to cover the crashed

seven that's shrewd

there's an idea okay we're going to do

two more questions and then I have to go

to the dentist we're ending this podcast

5 minutes

early okay first question hey guys what

is your favorite non- US market car that

you wish had been sold in the US this is

from Indore can um this is a tough one

that's pretty easy the I mean the Zonda

like Z's a good one E60 M5 touring say

e61 M5 yeah I mean there a lot like I

like 964 like career RS like the career

RS in general like I mean there are a

lot of versions of cars that are of

course now importable that we

like TR about what what cars should have

been a very pragmatic any of the fast

Rena uh like the cleos V6 CLE V6 fully

legal now by the way Mid Engine Cleo V6

I'm a very pragmatic person I'm not

going to say a FIA Panda that's by the

fact that I would love a f Panda like

that that was never going to sell well

so I'm trying think about what would

have sold I think that I'm a little

disappointed that none of

this the answer Ken's not going to care

you know all the late 90s European

minivans there were actually three

fundamentally the Volkswagen Chiron I

can't or had alhamra uh all those

the no that was smaller um yeah but the

same idea or like the the Fiat oh my God

what the Fiat called uh

ulses yeah what was the ler called uh

it's now called the Voyager yeah but it

was something else I don't know I

thought they were great Min bands they

were just exceptional they were great

uses of space and I disppointed that nun

came to the US and and said we had the

wind star and the fre star we got the K

Rondo and the Mazda 5 which fun fact

Konda seven seats CK

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DTM there's a lot of good ones I feel

like we've covered this a lot but

there's a lot of good ones what is you L

launcher model I must know okay here's a

great question oh kenan's just I know

kenan's response to this already filipo

you and I the fedra what was it p h e d

really apparently uh okay next question

question from Brown diesel wagon V8 when

thinking about Enthusiast cars versus

YouTuber SLR person cars like Kos versus

570s when I see a 570s all I know is

that guy's got money not all I know is

that he bought some Bitcoin like do you

do you ever think there will be an EV

that's known as an Enthusiast

car I actually like this question yeah

there already is yeah what is it Tesla

Roadster huh yeah when I see a Tesla

roer I don't think that person's an

Enthusiast I think they're like Elon

Musk enthus

a lot car garag SE fundamentally in a

lease yeah but it's got a tip and it's

electric I've never I go to a lot of

garages I've never seen a Tesla Roadster

next to a 575 has a tip

too

okay okay this is an interesting

question uh yeah I don't know I don't

knowbe I think that okay you see

somebody in an ionic 5n you don't think

they're Enthusiast yeah I do but but

he's talking about like I think like

sports cars and there aren't any that

makes the question more interesting well

they're becoming more there in theory in

the next year or two will be more I got

to tell you when the REM when I when I

see REM NOA all the ones I've seen

around I don't necessarily think that

person's like an Enthusiast no do you

think that about a shiron no yeah that's

a good question that's that's a good

point like so that not really some of

them are but of but some of them are

just really rich guys any of those cards

if you're not interested I think there's

I think in order for there to be an tyon

a little bit when I see a tyon although

I'll see tyon

my they have no idea a tyon sport

Turismo looks yeah tyon sport Turismo

that's probably the most enthusiastic EV

right now especially like a good spec

yes other than iic 5n is the most

enthusastic E Yeah ionic 5n like who's

spaying 70 grand for an ionic haven't

seen one yeah have not seen one on the

road we live in the place of new cars

new electric cars too yeah especially

that so there the answer to the question

right now is I don't think there's one

specifically there are some that are

headed more in that Direction rson GT

although that's kind of a rich guy car I

think kind of the Enthusiast the way the

Enthusiast thing ties in is I've seen a

lot of EV swaps and interesting cars

that were either problematic or the

engine didn't make a difference in terms

of the experience yeah and so I've seen

stuff like that like there there's an

E30 M3 I think with an E swap that's

pretty cool EV West in San Diego like

that was like those were Enthusiast

building cool Enthusiast things with

those happen but but in terms of like

actual manufacturers it's like I just

can't we're like on the fringes like

there's that the tyon and if you see a

tyon wagon and if you see an i 5n you

assume but yeah I generally agree like

it's it's not they're not tremendously

there yet but they will be but then what

new cars would you say are there like

that are not EVS uh GT3

RS 812 GTS like a sport turism sorry P

the equivalent like a Panamera eh paname

Sports Turismo sure but a lot of

Porsches I would assume someone's yeah

but that's just because there aren't

that many available like Enthusiast EVS

we're on the C for that reason not

because they're not cool there aren't

that many

so we'll see what Happ will be

interesting no one th this will buy MV

uh the boxer in theory will be electric

that'll be interesting to see we'll see

we'll see the box is barely there it's

an interesting question and I'm curious

to see how it goes but right now there's

not that many cars that I would but I

suspect the answer to the question the

question is do you ever think there will

be an EV yeah probably we're going to go

that direction they shift now that ionic

5n yeah it was it was we experienced the

future we experienced the future and it

and it's not so bad that's pretty cool

give it to us down here yeah and Toyota

said that might be something like do

they're not doing it for any production

cars but give me an electric manual

would be what about that LFA

thing ah we'll cover it next week you

won't be here I won't I will be maybe

driving around 97 you better be crazy

Nick I hope we'll update the Pod the

people in two weeks when you're back

thank you everyone for watching this is

our finest podcast yet and remember Mike

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