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I'm Matt Miller.
This is Hot Pursuit.
Coming up on today's podcast, we're going to talk about the new Audi supercar that kind of came out of nowhere.
Yes, and I don't think anyone needed it. Plus we're
going to talk about.
The effect of the luce On Ferrari, both the stock and the soul of the company, after you wrote a fantastic piece. Plus, speaking of soul, I'm selling my challenger.
This is the end of an era at I'm shocked.
I'm shocked. I thought you'd never saw that thing.
Yeah, I'm trading it in for another vehicle, and I'll tell you about it in a bit. But first off,
I will confess it's not the Audi Neuvolari.
Is that what it's called? New Valari?
That's how I'm calling it. Yeah, the new Valari. Yeah
it is.
Yeah, I think offensively ugly.
Now yeah, okay, let's unpack that. Go ahead.
So all right, when I first saw this, it comes after a string of horrible misses from carmakers. Right that
I know, it's a matter of opinion, It's totally subjective.
A lot of people hated the Mercedes GT four door, the all electric.
Thing that came out.
I didn't despise it, but it wasn't great. Sure you
saw it in person? Is it better in person than
a p It's a better It's better in person.
Yeah, I believe that.
Still, they've gone to so much trouble to make it sound and feel like a V eight that I think it proves our point you'd rather have a V eight.
The lady must must be protesting a bit too much.
Yes, And you had the Ferrari Luce, which we're going to get into in a moment, and that took kind of some of the heat off of Yes it did the Mercedes, Yes it did. And but this all started,
I think with Jaguar with their ad campaign that missed the mark by so much, and the Type zero zero that just looked like it was designed on Minecraft and no one finished it before. I mean it's still I've
only seen it in pictures, but it still just doesn't look like a real car. It looks like someone has
an AI image in the photograph.
Yeah. I think that might take the cake for still
the worst.
For me exactly.
So ye, enter Auty Nouvalari and I'm looking that thinking somebody said, make the Jaguar type OO, put a V eight in the middle and add a touch of Tesla Cybertruck to it.
Are you?
Are you not seeing Lamborghini in this car too?
Not a first glance.
I know that after I studied it for a while, and I know that it obviously is pretty much based on the Temario. I see the Lamborghini, but I it
was mainly Jag that I saw, like horrible.
Very brutalist, very very.
Brutalised, long lines squared off, doesn't look like they finished, And I thought, well, who designed this that it looks so much like the Jag. The dude's name is Frossella, right,
he runs design at Audi and guess where he used to work?
Where did he used to work?
Matt Jaguar land ROVERSH.
So I don't know whose hand actually penned the design of the Jaguar Type Ooh. I've heard Jerry McGovern gets
the credit, but Massimo Frisella was leading their design team and claims to be responsible for the new design language at JAG. He then went over to Audi and did this,
and no wonder they look so similar.
There there does seem to be something that feels a little incestuous here between. You're right between the jag between.
To me, I really see this looks like a Lamborghini, you know, mash up with the old R eight, but given the cyber truck treatment. Like exactly, but except except
except it's not a Lamborghini. Yeah, exactly. I think for
context we should also say that this is a V eight hybrid, which theoretically could make it more acceptable and palatable for people who like internal combustion because it still retains some internal combustion. It's over a thousand horsepower h
They're only going to make four hundred and ninety nine of them, so they don't have to sell very many.
I think the plan sell that many.
Surely they're going to have five hundred people raise their hands and say, okay, fine, I'll take it. I mean,
the whole this car, I think is supposed to like inject the brand with something that feels dangerous and menacing.
And they need that.
Exciting because they need that, and they say they are well aware. They say they need it. You know, Gernard
Dolmer himself has told me they need it, So that's not a surprise. The car costs six hundred and eighty
six thousand dollars.
Wow.
Yeah, so basically three hundred thousand dollars more than a Lamborghini Temrio. And they're essentially I mean, they're built on
the same platform.
They both use.
The same layout, twin turbo charged four liter V eight with three electric motors, and the combustion engines deliver the same power. They managed to extract eighty more horsepower from
the electric motors on the on the Audi, but adding eighty horse power plus a carbon body that doesn't really reduce weight very much and super space f one breaks to me, that doesn't get to three hundred thousand dollars more valuable. And I know it's going to be limited.
But the Temporario is beautiful.
I mean, I agree, I agree, am in love with that design. It's absolutely gorgeous.
And when it first came out, people were like, oh, that looks too much like an Audi, right, which is hilarious, But I mean I haven't driven it. I'm sure they'll
both be of blast to drive. But this just to me,
this raises question like why did they kill.
The R eight in the first place?
Gosh, it was so old, I mean, didn't they bring that.
Out in Okay but make a new version of it.
I think, I think we're looking at it.
Except for this is right, except for seven hundred thousand dollars.
Yeah, it's limited. And the R eight had the V ten,
which I know Lamborghini also got rid of. But that
is was glorious right here.
And here's something else, you know that that front grille on the Nouvelle Laurie, that sort of very tall vertical grill is I know, a throwback. It's auty trying to
recall to our mind the Auto Union race cars, remember those old ones from way back in the day. Yes,
the silver race cars that looked incredibly there did look very cool and futuristic.
By the way, they also like something that escaped the design studio, like something that was the first rough draft got I think they're so cool, believe me. And maybe
someday I'll think this is so cool because that obviously happens.
But I mean, like a concept car that wasn't quite ready for production yet, you know.
Right in a way, I could play Devil's advocate and say, at least it does have some at least it's a hybrid.
They could have just made it an ev and that would have been worse.
I think definitely would have been worse. Yes, it could
be worse. Is the headline for the new Audi Supercar.
I think that's a fair headline. Honestly, it could be worse.
Remember the concept see that they showed about a year ago.
This clear that clearly was I think a hint to what we're looking at now. And I know they're going
to have some more debuts this summer of more production level vehicles, So it'll be interesting to see if this really does appear anywhere else in the lineup or is this just a you know, one off of five hundred and then we sort of don't see anything like this again, you know.
Yeah, I mean I think they're doing some awesome stuff otherwise.
You know, everyone knows how much I love the R S six, and I always have. I think Audi is
my favorite station wagon maker, a lot with Volvo. I
think they make the most. Volvo makes the most beautiful
station wagons.
Out some one yesterday was gorgeous.
Yes, there's My Breath was show pretty.
And Audi makes the most muscular I think, you know, the most.
I guess I don't know, macho, manly.
Like the RS six from Layer Cake was so awesome and it helps get the cult like played it in.
Yeah, it helped a lot.
But the new one is an amazing car, and the RS five looks so cool, like I cannot wait to get my hands on the and I'm really excited to see the Q nine, even though I I don't love these extra giant unibody SUVs, Like, I just think it's gonna be so cool because I think I think the Q eight is like an amazing design. It's my favorite
of the you know, grocery getter SUVs. I like the
Q seven and have some inceptions. So I'm a huge
Audi fan. And my first car wasn't the first car
I bomb with my own money, wasn't a four Evant with the two point five td I. So I love
the brand, but this just it turns me off.
I'm actually really surprised to hear that, Matt, because you kind of like brutalist things.
I thought it's true.
I mean, you really are you you could understand that, and I admit I'm surprised.
But this just it just doesn't it. I think maybe
it's because it just reminds me too much of the jag.
It's too that's too fresh in my mind. That wound
is still hurting, you know, the demise of that once great brand. And so I don't know, but I wonder
if so. The interesting thing is I read a version
in edit of your Ferrari story, and I wonder if the way I'm feeling about Audi, which is to me, it's like a home brand, right, Audi has a special place in my heart, and so this makes me hurts a little bit exactly. And I wonder if you know,
the Ferrari, the Tafosi or whatever you call, the people who are loyal to this brand, I wonder if the luce is making them feel the same way the owners.
And you actually interviewed an owner of an eight twelve super Fast, which.
Is awesome, Yeah, doctor Michelle.
Who feel it feels like she was kind of hurt by this as we oh yeah, blue cha.
I talked to I personally talked to many Ferrari owners for the story because I really wanted to understand and capture why, why such strong reactions, why so much outrage?
On another level, and Michelle is someone that I've known and seen at car events for years. She is really
a tried and true Ferrari lover. She drives. At eight twelve.
At the first time I met her, I think she she drove it downtown to meet up. And she's a
tried and true Ferrari lover, which comes from her dad.
Her dad drove Ferraris and she called the cars the Horsey cars when she was little, So it's really in her blood. And I think a lot of people grow
up with some sort of connection to Ferrari and that's one reason why the connection is so strong, but for her especially, and I think she speaks for a lot of her community. It's about the naturally aspirated engines, it's
about the stunning design, it's about the heritage, and it's about the community. I think all four of those components
are really really big. For people who own owned Ferraris,
have owned Ferraris, collect Ferraris, it's it's real. For them,
it's real. So that's that's why we saw such a
depth of visceral reaction.
Yeah.
I read the phrase betrayal in your story. I read
the phrase gut punch. Yeah, those were used and we
saw it, you know, we saw the hurt that investors felt.
I mean, Ferrari stock had already been off like thirty percent since that, since that investor day last year when Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Michael Dean went and saw like Chinese battery there. But on the day that they released this design,
or the first day of trading after the design was released, the shares fell eight percent. And no other carmaker has
ever taken a hit.
Like that after the design. That the release of a
new design.
Yes, and that was almost four billion dollars off their market valuation, we should say, which is no small thing.
I'm Matt Miller along with Hannah Elliott. You're listening to
Hot Pursuit. We have more coming up after this. So
I wonder if some customers, I mean I assumed that like Michelle, you know, or someone like David Lee, the Ferrari collector spoke with him automatically order one of these.
And I wonder if a lot of those loyalists are going to break with the company after this.
So this is something I asked them, like, is this a break point for you? Is this a is this?
They just I'm over this is we're done here moment.
And nobody told me that, even the people, even Michelle, even the people who were most outraged said no, they their their love and their loyalty runs far deeper than a single car. This isn't going to make them leave
the company. It's more like a warning, kind of like
a red flag. It's kind of like, uh uh oh,
slow down, this is this is something we don't like.
And several of them, including David Lee, said they would try it, and they would under they understand that for them, this is something the company has to do in order to make the other cars that they really love. That
was kind of the final point, like, Okay, I get it.
Uh Ferrari has to make this to meet emissions regulations and sad by all these other things. So we're gonna
hold our nose and sort of try to ignore it, or maybe we maybe we try it, but we understand it's a necessary evil.
I heard Jay Lenna make the same kind of argument.
I think he was with David Lee. You probably saw
the clip as well, but I don't believe it. You know,
in your story you include a picture of the two ninety six gts, which is itself a V six plug in hybrid. So that's like, you know, a regulator's dream,
a European regulator's dream.
And that's gorgeous. It's absolutely beautiful. That's not even subjective.
That's like I mean the curves on that it's it's amazing and.
I liked it. I thought it was a great car
to drive.
So it shows that you can make. It shows to
me that you can make what did Kevin Tynan call this, you know, a regulatory appeasement car and still have it be like, take your breath away beautiful. I think you know,
there will be there is still the possibility that the Luce and the new Valari and even the Jaguar type, at some point people who initially were repulsed by it are going to grow used to it, just like the BMW grill teeth.
You know. Yeah, I try to think in a historical context,
because you're so right, think of cars that now we think are kind of cool at least I do, like the Rolls, Royce camarg or Aston Martin Laganda, like you know, I think, or even the Ferrari Dino. The Dino they
didn't even want to put the name Ferrari on that vehicle because it was an embarrassed one.
That's because of the motor.
Well that's what that's the same problem here. You know
so history and now dinos are go almost a million dollars in some market, So like I'm trying to I'm trying to withhold real judgment because we don't know yet.
Only the test of time will really answer.
I wonder if anybody is like, you know what, the Fiat Multipla actually is a very cool car, or I love the as tech, you know, somebody's like.
I know, well, there are some that were bad then and they're still bad now. Time is only worse than
their appeal.
I'll tell you what I didn't when they first came out.
I didn't like the Dodge Challenger that much. I wasn't
that into it. It wasn't really churning.
I'm very surprised to hear back in the day because.
That was when the Mustang seven and I loved that.
I thought it was the best you know, you know, redo of a classic sixties muscle car, the best retro design.
And then second, I would have put the Camaro at the time, and I didn't care. I thought that Dodge
was just big and slabby and looked like a boat.
And now I think it's one of the most beautiful car to come out of that The twenty tens and mine.
Still I walk by it and I can't not look at it.
People pull up and they're like, Oh, that's a cool car.
It just looks so beautiful. But I'm okay, I have
to trade it in.
Walk Wait, why do you have to trade it in?
So we're about to have our third child, and we do have a big grocery getter gls. But I can't
transport the children in my challenger safely, you know. I mean,
I can't fit a car seat in the back. So
if I do take a kid in the car, it can only take basically one and the car seat has to be in the front. And other mothers like recoil
at that worried about the airbag or something. I don't know,
but Okay, it's so funny because my parents let me ride in the back of the pickup truck, so.
Like, yeah, me too, but me and the dogs.
But I need so I needed the car that had room for rear facing car seats, as everybody who listens to this podcast knows. And I didn't want to get
another big suv because we have one. I thought I
thought about a pickup truck, but I felt guilty about the last time I had a pickup truck, which I loved, but I never ever used the pickup truck function, you know, And you know, I've.
Always loved these.
Big German limousines because they fit the car seats and because of the gigantic depreciation, and.
I've always wanted the V twelve. So I bought this
BMWM seven.
I was just gonna say, did you buy a BMW Yes?
I did. I found I knew it. What after so
many months of.
You kept that? Yet you kept that very quick?
Well, you know everyone knows I've been looking at it.
I kept trying to buy them and failing there aren't They didn't make very many. I wanted the facelift, which
was the twenty twenty to twenty twenty two.
Wait, so what sorry? What what one did you end
up getting? I ended the model in your.
I ended up getting a twenty twenty BMW M seven sixty I X drive in Donnington gray over black leather, and wow, I just couldn't find one with low mileage for a decent price. These cars, by the way, were
one hundred and seventy five to two hundred thousand dollars when they came out Executive four years ago exactly, they have like massaging seats in every seat. And but but
there were certain things about the twenty twenty that made it better than the twenty one and the twenty two.
Like they had these laser lights, which who cares, right, I'm not going to notice the difference, probably, but I want your.
Face tells me otherwise.
And they had in twenty twenty, they still had the uh, the night vision option nice, which I'm also never probably never going to use.
You look so happy right now.
Yes, And also if the car was made before I think it's April or March of twenty twenty, you could still chip it because they there's six hundred power, six hundred horsepower from the factory, but you can easily get to seven or eight hundred rear wheel horse power with a proper ECU tune and a downpipe if you get a car that's made before like April or of twenty twenty.
I think so.
But it's hard to find those with less than like fifty sixty eighty thousand miles on them, right, And every time I would find one with like fifteen or twenty thousand miles, it would either be you know, way too expensive.
There was one on bring a trailer that went for like one hundred and thirty nine thousand, which isn't a big discount, or they were just gone in an instant.
So I finally found one with sixteen thousand miles. They
only wanted sixty five grand for it.
Where'd you find it?
At a Cadillac dealer near Houston, Texas?
Away good good score.
Yeah.
I've been searching forever, and I was using a lot of help, like I had these BMW dealers, these guys at Hendrix down in South Carolina were helping me out.
But and every once in a while we would find like one in an auction or one at it, you know, at another BMW dealership, and I'd call right away and it would they'd say.
Well, I guess that's a good sign. It's a it's
a car and demand.
Yeah kind of.
They only made like three hundred and sixty of them in those wow three years of production, and it was so cheap that I basically did a straight swap.
Now, O winter, you have you taken delivery?
No, they're kind they're bringing it up here.
It's on a truck right now, and they'll come up and put it in my driveway and take away.
You're physically swapping the Challenger. Yeah, right then and there.
Yeah, I might cry.
It's okay. The tearsn't let you know it's real.
But I just like, I don't have the garage space really, or I could somebody a good friend offered me ample garage space, but it's in New Jersey and so like, then if I if I keep the Challenger, which by the way, I love it so much, and I build it myself, or I optioned it exactly, I want it and.
I would like to have it. I've had it for
three or four years now three years. I got it
in twenty three.
But if I keep it at this guy's and my friend's garage in New Jersey, I'll have it. I'll own it,
but I'll probably never see it.
Yeah, you know, I was. I was going to say
you it's you have it. You are a man of means,
you have a job, You could you know, keep the Challenger.
It always kind of paints me to hear when people sell their beloved car just because they have kids, Like, I don't get it. Yeah, but but I but what
I do get is space and and inconvenience and logistics and being in New York City and having cars that are not physically near you is really an inconvenience and it's no way to live. And the people I know
who keep cars in the city or close by or wherever, it's like a it's a it's kind of a schlup.
I could see it as an investment.
Like a friend of mine has an F three fifty five.
He lives in the city and has whatever you know, beater that he drives on a regular basis. Actually it's
a very cool Cayenne with a six speed manual transmission.
But he keeps his Ferrari like way up state.
You know, it's like an hour.
How often does he even get to it.
Yeah, you can't get to it very much.
But that's a great investment, right because that's a car that will appreciate and my Challenger, as much as I love it, is unlikely to go up in value anytime soon.
Well, you know, this is just a new season of life, and the BMW will be fun.
Yeah, I think it'll be.
It'll fit the kids, it'll be it's all wheel drive so I can use it in the winter.
And it's the last V twelve that they made, so cool we'll see.
Yeah, that's the maintenance.
Destroys me as an investor.
You know, like I still I do still have to like put money into my retirement account. I have all
these three kids that now need college funds, you know, very responsive, it's definitely it's definitely not like I have piles of extra money laying around. So but when my
wife told me, like, you are, under no circumstances going to keep the Challenger if you get this twelve cylinder money.
Pit, you know, well, hey, you can only do so much.
You're you're making the right decisions here, and we all support you. It's gonna be great.
Yes, I'm looking forward to that arriving.
That's cool. On the flip side, we have just acquired
something half that size and a third of that weight called a Porscha three five six c really, which is about about a quarter of the horsepower or less, which is completely the different direction. But it's super fun and
it's like having this new toy that is just kind of surprisingly charming.
So much fun? Is it so much fun to drive?
Yeah, it's it shifts very well. It's only got four
years so it's pretty simple. And you know, there are
a couple of little thing, little kinks to work out, like when you go and reverse, there's a bit of a jutter, which could have something to do with the transmission, or it could have something to do with something completely different.
I'm told, does it have a roof? Is it?
Yeah, it's a roof. It's a coop. It's a three
five six sea coop, silver over black and the dog fits in the back. Yeah. So that's kind of fun.
That Does it smell delicious?
It smells great and when you get out, your your hair and your clothes smell like it. You know, for
the rest of the day.
It doesn't fit. It fit well in that easy to
get in it.
Is it is. It's like driving around in a little
metal bubble or a little metal tub. You would fit
in it, for sure, because Magnus and I both fit in with our hats and our heels and all that.
And it's it's very charming. And we drove it all
around maulhalland all last weekend. It threw Beverly Hills down
sunset and it's just like the most fun thing to drive a slow car fast for sure. That's the whole
time I was just thinking, it's way more fun to drive a slow car fast and a fast car slow.
I think that's a proven fact.
Actually it's a proven fact.
Yeah, it's definitely true.
Yeah, so we both have new little fun playthings because you can ring it out, you know. Yeah, And I
think Magnus is still trying to find the edge because he was he was he was ringing. He was ringing
it heavily on Mahalland.
Can't wait to see a video of that.
Yeah, it's I'm sure it's coming.
Is he gonna tinker with it? Do you know some
holes in it? Because he does sometimes like those louvers.
Yes, all the loover, I know, the tail lights, all of that. I think there may be a time when
the bumpers come off. He is an outlaw, so he
is an outlaw. But the thing is, it's really pretty
and it's in very very good condition. This was a
car that was in somebody's shop for twenty years and the old man died and the sun didn't want it, and the car was on blocks when we first saw it, and so we took it to tre Motorsport. They did
it was all there, but the engine was sort of half disassembled, so tr put it back together. We kind
of didn't know what we were going to get, and at the time it was like, oh, if this isn't that great a car, yeah, we might do something to it.
But now it's it's so pretty, Magnus says he might leave it alone.
Is there a radio?
See?
No, no radio. Do you guys do personalized plates on
any of your vehicles? Nothing? You just take what DMVs you.
Yeah. I'm not against it, but I've never done that.
I guess I'm too cheap because you have to pay extra for that, right.
Well, in New York it's only sixty dollars. Oh okay,
So I sometimes I'll order a set of plates and then change my mind before they come a new set of plates.
Oh yeah, I mean I would get into it. I've
never done it, but I totally would.
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By the way, this is a pivot too. But are
you a Knicks fan?
I am.
I've been a Knicks fan my entire life, and so exciting.
It's so it's so exciting because.
You know, I'm from obviously, I'm from Ohio, so and I have My favorite football team is from Texas, my favorite baseball team is from Cincinnati, and my favorite basketball team has always been the Knicks. If you're from Columbus, Ohio,
you don't have usually a favorite professional team because we you're just an.
Ohio State Buckeyes fan.
But but I have always loved the Knicks. My favorite
sporting event to watch live has always been basketball, and the Garden is my favorite place to go and watch when I do get because tickets are very expensive. Yeah,
and and I like to have good seats, so when I rarely get tickets, it's like the best night.
Yeah, And I've it's.
Never bothered me that the Knicks haven't been a championship winning team, because I've because of that, I've been able to get you know, Delta club level tickets for only a couple hundred bucks or whatever.
But I'm so happy for the team. And also the
game was.
Insane, insane? Where are you watching the Are you just
watching the games.
At home on TV?
And my wife is all into it too, which is weird because she's a Spanish like Moto GP fan, so but for some reason, she I guess because she plays basketball herself. But so she's she's into it, and then
she'll be watching the game and then she draws me into it's right, And that come back from a twenty nine point deficit was just nuts. So I thought like,
all right, let's go to bed.
And yeah, I did not see the game because I was watching Rod Stewart at the Hollywood Bowl, but of course I saw every everything about it on social media and otherwise, and it's so exciting and I'm coming coming to New York, so I'm going to watch game five, sweet in the city.
Long. Will you be here for.
A week, so we should, I'll see you. I'll see
you next week. It live in the studio.
I'm looking forward to that me too. Yeah, all right, cool,
you got anything anything else planned? What are you driving anything?
Oh?
I should say, well, a couple of things about cars I've driven, just quickly. Yes, So last week I was
driving the BMW five point fifty E and it was a real big bummer. Why because it's so heavy and
so rolly, and kind of it feels slow, even though it's super fast. You know, it's still almost five hundred
horsepower and zero sixty in like four seconds, but it just feels slow and sloppy. And I thought, God, I
hope this isn't what's to come when my M seven sixty gets here. You know, because I've never driven an
M seven sixty. I didn't even test drive one. I
didn't have a PPI. I went full Magnets Walker on this.
I like the courage.
So that was like a little bit of a disappointment.
Every BMW that I've driven otherwise, I'm historically I'm impressed with, but this thing. I honestly preferred the five thirty that
I drove, which has only the four cylinder motor, because it felt lighter and more nimble.
Talk to hear that sentence come out of your mouth.
I know, but yeah, because this one has the inline six and the hybrid power powertrain, and I don't.
Know, it was just it was just a big bummer.
That is unfortunate to hear. I'm trying, I need to
get into a BMW a gain. I'm trying to think
the last one it might have been a seven series.
I highly recommend an M two CS.
That that seemed to be really your top, wasn't it?
Yes?
In recent and.
Recent okay, or the I mean the new seven series also is amazing. They're completely different experiences. They're totally different tools,
as you like to say, right, the M two CS is like a very dangerous scalpel in the hands of you know, an alcoholic who's shaking, right, because it's a little bit Oh yeah, it's a little bit scary. And
the new seven series. I haven't driven the new new
seven series, but I did just drive an I seven the M I think the M six year, the M seventy version, and I loved.
The isolation, the light steering, the luxury aspect of the loads of torque. So they're different.
But I'm impressed by every BMW that I drive, even the five thirty with a four cylinder, and then this five point fifty, like really just disappointed me.
That is disappointed. That's disappointing to hear. I just googled it.
The last Beamer I drove was the N five hybrid last year in Miami. Big, big, and literally I still
remember so many people asking me how heavy is it?
How heavy is it? And it is heavy, but this
car was so so fast it was kind of great, So you liked it.
I liked it.
I'm not a big sedan person. Yeah, I'm not a
big personally. I don't. I'm not a big sedan person,
although I guess I drive big rolls Royce sedans. But
I mean it's over seven hundred horsepower, which was more than enough.
Yeah, I also drove.
I also drove the and my concern with that thing was that I was I would look down and realize that I was going.
Yeah, I think I remember you saying that way too fast.
I think did you have a purple one or was yours a different color?
I don't recall the color, and I would I think, remember.
Yeah, I kind of remember talking about it with you and you saying that. I was just I know, it's
really fast, starship rocket.
Yeah.
So yeah, I hope hopefully that M five fifty is an anomaly. Or maybe you know, I only.
Drove it for a few days. Maybe I just had
to get used to it or understand it better.
I will say that now I'm test driving a car i've driven before in a different guys, I'm taste driving the Infinity QX eighty, which is the luxury version of the Nissan Armada.
Okay, oh, here we go, and.
I absolutely love it.
What is the price premium over the Armada for the Infiniti.
So the Armada that I want. I want the Nissan
Armada Nismo Edition, which is eighty thousand dollars, okay, and the this is the sport version of the Infinity QX eighty.
So I'm gonna say it's like.
It's like the analog to the Nismo, right, I think it's one hundred thousand dollars.
Is there any reason why you would buy the Infinity over the Nissan?
No? Yeah, zero reason.
Well, that's a quick answer.
I mean it's obviously it's a it's a slightly nicer car the Infinity, because it has I guess a little bit.
It has definitely got better better leather, you know, nicer wood in places that they use. Would it's got a
slightly different design that you might like better. I don't,
but but I mean I love both of these cars.
I just think the way they drive, the way they handle, it reminds you that you're in a body on frame truck.
And this is my thing.
Like if I want a three seater suv, a big one to carry the whole family, the dogs, the luggage, the nanny and everything. If it's a unibody like my
GLS or you know, many the all the other German ones.
It just takes a beating on these roads and after two or three years it's just destroyed.
So that's why if.
I'm going to get a big sub like that, I want it to be a body on frame like a Chevy Suburban or you know, a Cadillac Escalade or this.
And in fact, the Chevy Suburban and the Cadallac Escalade, they try to make them feel like cars, so that, you know, moms taking kids to soccer don't feel like they're in a completely different vehicle.
The Nissans and the.
Toyotas of the world are based on these global platforms like the patrol you know, or the high Lux that need to be able to carry like, you know, soldiers with RPGs on their shoulders through the desert, and so they have to be indestructible, so they feel like trucks as well.
You like that, like you, I love it, love it.
I do love the idea of a thing being it's itself.
You know, if it's a truck, it feels like a truck.
That's great, it's great, and it doesn't even like, uh, these the Nissan and the Infinity, they don't have a V eight anymore. They got rid of that, and now
they have a three and a half liter of V six twin turbo, which is the kind of this is.
This is the betrayal that I felt when Raptor went to that after I think twenty fifteen. But in this truck,
it works, it's fast.
Now, why did you not consider instead of getting a BMW Sedan, just getting a second SUV because there.
We have two giant SUVs.
And also I want to be able to really rip it around corners, and these things they definitely feel like they're gonna flip over.
Okay, you know if you're.
Getting off the Cross County Parkway onto the Henry Hudson like it's.
Saying there's some body roll.
Yeah, it'll tip, which I don't mind body roll in a big in a big truck, right, That's how a big truck is.
Supposed to be physics at the end of the day.
But also everybody wants a big SUV in America, so they don't really depreciate even like a Nissan or Infinity that doesn't You don't see sixty six percent depreciation the way.
I did with this BMW.
So that's why that's another reason that pushed me towards the German limousine.
I really hope you like your German limousine.
I hope I like it too.
Yeah, okay, great to hear.
All right, I guess that's uh. That's all we got
for that.
That's all we got.
I'm looking forward to seeing you next.
I can't wait to get to the city. I cannot wait.
I think the vibes are immaculate, as they say, all.
Right, you do the whole part where it says.
Okay, uh, do we want to do some call outs like just go straight through?
Yeah, I just go do it?
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About this episode
Hosts dig into Audi’s new supercar—its limited run, hybrid powertrain, and why the brand is chasing a V8-like feel. They debate design choices, including a tall vertical grille tied to Auto Union race cars, and compare the look and strategy to other recent debuts. Along the way, they critique concept-car styling (Jaguar Type 00), discuss emissions-era acceptance, and broaden into other car takes—Ferrari loyalty, classic Porsche charm, and SUV practicality.
