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B2R Motorsports on Pushing RB Reliability, Billet Builds, and Australia’s Quickest Street Cars
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About this episode
Ben and Navi from B2R Motorsports share insights into their expertise in building high-performance RB engines, focusing on reliability and billet builds. They discuss their journey from humble beginnings to becoming leaders in the Australian street car scene, detailing their innovative approaches to engine tuning and fabrication. The episode highlights their unique perspective on the differences between Australian and U.S. automotive cultures, as well as their experiences with roll racing and drag racing. Listeners will appreciate their candid discussions about challenges, successes, and the future of their builds.
Topics:
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billet builds
roll racing
tuning techniques
street cars
engine fabrication
performance upgrades
australian automotive culture
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In todays episode we sit with B2R Motorsports who builds some of the fastest street cars in Australia, pushing limits with billet engines and proven RB power. We dive into RB reliability, Australian street racing culture, and high horsepower engine builds that dominate both track and street.
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Welcome back to another episode of the Street Alpha Podcast.
I'm your host, Tukes.
So, today we have the pleasure of sitting with Ben and Navi of B2R.
Huge thanks to you guys for making this happen.
Thank you guys for that.
Appreciate it.
So, I actually saw you guys on Javier's channel, TRC, maybe a few years ago when he came out here.
He came to the shop.
You guys took him in a couple of the cars and so on.
So, since then, I've always had you guys, like, as the street cars of Australia.
So, it's kind of cool to see these cars in person now and kind of see what you guys do.
There's a lot to talk about in terms of what you guys are doing with the bill of blocks,
which I actually learned from you guys first.
You guys are the first shop I actually stopped by, so that's pretty cool.
And we talked a little bit about things that the U.S. isn't doing yet.
So, you guys are far ahead of the U.S. in the RB platform.
But before we start, let's give a round of applause for Ben and Navi of B2R.
Thank you.
Thanks, Oz.
Thank you.
Yeah.
Thanks for having us.
I just want to say I love the way that you guys build your cars.
And honestly, the impression that I'm always going to have of Australia is going to be this shop.
Of course, there's other shops.
I don't know if you guys can't disrespect anybody else.
But the ones that seem, I guess, attainable for me,
because I'm never going to build like a crazy drag car,
is stuff that you guys do.
I know you guys worked on Moody's car, right?
Yeah, so the engine in his car is actually out of one of our other street cars
and they got talking and one of our customers wanted a bigger engine
and he goes, hey, I'm going to sell my engine to a guy in America who's like, sweet.
Sell it.
I had no idea.
So, I didn't even know and nobody even said anything in the States about it.
Yeah, I think he's got the highest horsepower in America with the engine.
So, I want to know how you guys got into this.
Like, where did it start?
Was it a family thing?
Did you guys have, you know, parents that worked on cars?
Like, where did all this start?
So, I started my apprenticeship.
Basically, once we finished the apprenticeship, went out on my own.
My dad had a shop.
He does electrical motors and that and put a hoist in there
and just started doing servicing maintenance work and all that.
I think that was probably 2014 or 15.
Okay.
And then, yeah, one of our good mates, Alex, bought a GDR.
Didn't know what we're doing.
Well, I didn't know what I was doing because I was on my own.
So, slowly, but we're always into the 180s and, you know, doing bits and pieces
on my side, 20s stuff and whatnot.
And yeah, so he bought a GDR and opened the bonnet on it.
I was like, all right, what do we do?
So, you know, start doing a bit of research and single turbo conversion,
doing head packages, worked out our own head package for it, little upgrades.
And then, back then, we were using Unigroup Javuz for tuning.
Okay.
And so, we basically built the car.
Still stock bottom end, made just over 500 kilowatt.
Wow.
And, yeah, started driving on the street.
It was pretty cool.
Went out to the drags.
I think it went 990, 990.
Okay.
And we just looked at it and we're like, oh, this is pretty cool.
9-second GDR, stock bottom end.
That was a stock bottom end record at that point?
Yeah, that was a stock bottom end record.
What year was this though?
Probably 2016, around there.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, and then one of our other mates bought a GDR and he goes,
I want the same thing.
So, obviously, after doing the first one, the second one was a bit easier.
Yeah.
And then after that, just snowballed like one after the other,
you know, doing maintenance repairs and whatnot.
And then we ended up coming into this shop.
So, and then...
That same year?
Or like that?
No, this is over like a year.
We went in another shop for long.
It was a very small shop.
We only had one horse in there.
So, I was working around the clock as well.
I was doing a lot of long hours, obviously learning too at the same time.
Right.
You know, didn't have all the tools either, what not, you know,
because it's obviously you're just starting off.
You need money.
You need, you know, you build yourself up.
And then, you know, I think around 2017, 2018, came into here,
bought another two horse, started working,
and then that's when, you know, Ben came along for an interview
and then first day on his interview.
Wait, so how did the interview go?
Listen, I want to hear this.
Like, what was the interview like?
What kind of questions are you asking him?
Like, how's that work?
So, to give you a lead up on my background up until that point,
I was like, people think I'm a lot older than I am.
I actually was always into cars since I was a little kid.
My sister had a BMW 5-series and I might have been 9 or 10 years old
and my brother would have been 12.
And we're like, how do we make this car cool?
So we put a sound system in it.
We put a sub, whatever.
Then my brother got his license.
He bought a Subaru Liberty.
Okay.
And we started mucking around with that.
And then I started taking time off school
and going and working labouring
because I wanted to buy a car.
So before I actually turned 16 and nine months,
I think it was a legal age at the time
to get your license in Australia.
I had already bought a car, crashed a car,
blew the engine and rebuilt it
because I just wanted to learn.
And then I was like, all right, this is what I'm doing.
This is what I like.
Right.
So I done my apprenticeship, went to TAFE, you know,
had a few cars in between.
I had a 300ZX, I had a TX3 turbo, had a Commodore,
had a few cars in between.
And one of my, two of my dream cars
were always R34 GDR and S14 Sylvia.
You know, like icon cars for me.
I had the opportunity to buy an S14, pretty cheap.
The guy thought he had a bottom and knock.
I was on my P's and I bought that thing.
I was working at a regular shop,
changing tires, doing services and, you know,
never ever got into the performance thing
until I liked doing it on my own cars.
And yeah, I used to tell my boss,
hey, can I borrow the shop this weekend?
I'll give you 50 bucks.
I want to work on my car and he used to come in
and go, what's wrong with you?
I was like, you know, you're doing all these stuff
to these old cars and man, I just loved it.
So job opportunity came up.
I remember the photo was a base side blue R34 GDR
on Gumtree and they're like, we're looking for a worker.
I'm like, all right, I'll come in, came in.
I think on the phone I spoke to Avi,
which he comes across very nice, you know,
so I'm like, wow, this is going to be
a real nice place to work.
First day I came in, I met Navi,
not knowing that they're brothers or two different people.
And I remember I just told Navi, I go,
hey man, I'm here for the job interview.
And he goes, I don't want someone who's here to fuck around.
He goes, B, he A.
You said that?
He goes, he goes.
Look, I was on my own.
It was stressful, you know?
When I started, it was very stressful.
I went for a couple of apprentices and you know, just,
it was hard.
It was very hard.
It was very, very hard.
So I was on the phone to Avi and he goes,
come in for an interview.
I'm like, oh, what do you want me to wear?
Like, you know, you want me to wear work stuff to work?
Or he goes, no, no, just come casual.
We'll just have like a 15 minute chat and you know.
So I got here.
He told me I don't want someone that fucks around.
Eight o'clock, be here.
Do your work.
You know, be responsible.
Don't be rude.
And you know, just get shit done.
I'm like, sweet.
He goes, so what can you do?
I'm like, what do you want me to do?
There was an EVO 8 MR on the back hoist.
And he goes, that car's here for a timing belt.
Cam set up.
Water pump.
Water pump.
I can't remember if it was head studs or not.
And a clutch.
And I'm like, done.
I go, when do you want it done?
He goes, do it.
So I done all that my first day on a random Saturday here,
not even in like work equipment.
I didn't have any tools on me.
I didn't know where anything is.
I just made it work.
So yeah, finished that all that day, done the timing belt,
water pump, clutch, everything.
And then I think he was like, all right,
this guy's not here to fuck around.
So yeah, that's kind of when I started.
And like he said, we had your bulls tuning and we had a few guys
that we used to use for wiring and whatnot.
So when you're starting, there's only so much you know.
Right, right.
And yeah, me and him were always keen to learn.
So we would build the cars and stay back till midnight.
You know, there was no such thing as eight to five.
Yeah, there was like eight to midnight, eight to 2am.
Yeah, it was a stressing learning.
Yeah, you know, and obviously we'll both just mechanically
minded, you know, nothing about wiring, tuning software
kind of stuff.
So, you know, over the years, we learned that as well.
And then, you know, obviously we're using other people
for wiring at that time as well.
Okay.
And especially with wiring, you know, people used to come
in, do the job, get paid, stuff wouldn't work.
Oh, I can't come back.
You know, that's when Ben thought, you know what?
I have to do this.
I have to learn myself.
I remember the car.
It was a Supra that we had built.
It was a 1400 horsepower Supra.
I love this thing.
And it just, the tune, I couldn't figure out what was
wrong with it on the dyno.
The wiring guys, like, it's not my problem.
You know, it was working when I left.
And I just told Navi, like, you know, I'll go,
you go home.
I'm not going home till I figure out this car.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I had no clue.
And I got out my test slide.
I got out a multimeter and I just started testing stuff
and buzzing stuff.
I don't even know how I figured it out, but I ended up
figuring out the problem and I could not wait.
I didn't message him or anything.
And I came here the next day, like 20 minutes early,
just waiting for him to rock up through the door.
And as soon as he walked in, I go, go start the car
on the dyno.
And he goes, what?
I go, go start it.
And he started it and the problem was gone.
And I was just like ever since then, I was hooked
with wiring, wanting to learn, wanting to, you know,
do more, learn more.
And that's what you, that's what you do now.
Like, so you basically probably do model things.
But yeah.
So me and Navi build the engines, depending who's free
at the time.
Yeah.
So, you know, he's built a lot of the engines.
I've built a lot of the engines.
Sometimes we do them even together.
Just to get them together.
Sometimes we've got three in a row and he's doing
the crank on one and I'm doing the rods on the other
and there's a head going on the other one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So me and him do the engines solely in this shop.
I do, I would say most of the wiring.
We've got Adrian, Chris and Momo now, which I try to get
into it because I just feel like the way I see it,
especially now that I'm doing tuning as well is if I can
understand the mechanical side of it, right, I can
understand the electrical side of it and I can
understand the tuning side of it.
It's very easy for me to diagnose a problem.
Right.
Whereas before I'd be like, all right, there's this
problem and I didn't know how to go about it.
Whereas now I can like look at a log and go, okay,
this is doing this, which means mechanically it's
doing this or electronically it's doing this.
So I try to teach those boys as well.
I still do most of it, but yeah, I'm trying to get them
onto that.
Which are at a point now where they can figure out
issues where he's not needed or I'm not needed either.
Yeah.
Mechanically and electrically as well.
So which is pretty good.
Yeah.
So like at the end of the day, there's no point
being selfish.
Like you give your knowledge to the next generation
and you help build everyone else up.
But yeah, me and Av do the tuning.
Sometimes we tune cars together.
Sometimes it's me.
Sometimes it's him.
Yeah, like we all just work as a team.
Sometimes Navi needs a hand and those boys will be
helping him.
Sometimes I need a hand.
Sometimes I need a hand.
We all just kind of make it work.
You come together.
Yeah, like everyone's got a main thing that they do.
Yeah.
But it doesn't mean that I can't rely on these
boys to run me some wires from the front to
the back or you know to terminate some stuff
for me until I can get around to it.
You know what I mean?
So yeah.
So how much stuff is done in house?
Like are you guys subbing out certain things?
Like obviously you have to send out your stuff to
the machine shop to get done, bring it back.
Let's say if the customer wants to, you know,
have their car checked out or if they have
from if they're coming from a different shop.
Do you guys just say, you know what?
We're going to put our stuff on it.
Or like how does that work?
Not necessarily.
Like if someone wants to go fast like I mean fast
like 1500 plus horsepower.
I can work with your setup.
I'm not the kind of person say, hey,
take it all off, chuck it in the bin.
I can't work with your setup.
But you've got to understand that I can't tell
you, hey, your engine is good for this.
I don't know how your internals will build.
I don't know how your stuff's been set up.
But yeah, clean slate stuff.
Obviously someone tells me they want 2,000 horsepower.
Say I'll give you 2,000 horsepower car
that you can drive all day.
In terms of what we outsource, I would say
the two only things we outsource is machining and fab work.
But even the fab stuff that we send it to
they're like guys that we trust
and we work with closely.
So like for example, the roll cages,
we get our fab guy to 3D scan the cars
and make them as tight as possible.
So it's not like we're just sending them to random shops
and being like, hey, I need a cage finisher.
There's only one guy that we use for fabrication.
Yeah.
Every car is different though
when it comes to 3D scanning.
32, 34, like all the shapes are different.
Obviously if someone wants an S15 done,
that's different.
Like once we've got the CAD file,
it's pretty good then.
Then we got all the bends and stuff.
And by the way, that's Dylan from inertia.
Yeah, Dylan from inertia.
You won't find anyone better.
Yeah, here's a gun.
Dylan, I need a free cage.
Yeah, thanks.
Yeah, I guess like alignments and stuff like that.
We use DNA.
They're the best in the game.
But in terms of like actual hardware,
mechanical, electrical stuff done on cars,
it's all done here.
Everything's done here
because at the end of the day,
if we do the job, it's our problem.
It's not, you know, I know most other shops,
you know, they'll have a different tuner,
different wiring guy, different fabricator,
you know, and then when the car comes back to the shop,
he tuned it, go see him.
Oh, he wired it, go see him.
Hey, my car doesn't start.
Oh, it's your auto air control mode.
Go see your wiring guy.
Oh, now, the auto air control mode works.
Go see your tuner.
And we've seen it.
We've seen it before.
Your cams are out of phase.
Go see your engine.
That's why if we're at the track and we're racing,
whatever happens to the car,
is the issue, we have to fix it.
Right.
And you would have seen that
like at the last track day,
like I had my whole toolbox.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
From wiring to mechanical to whatever the car's needed,
either I was on it, Chris was on it,
Nav was on it, Adrian's on it,
or Momo's on it.
Well, you guys were active.
Yeah, for sure.
So it's a goal in the long,
in the long run to do more things in-house
fully done here in terms of like,
eventually, yes.
For us right now,
this point in time,
is a space in the workshop.
Okay.
You know, we are looking to
purchasing a bigger workshop,
have a more hoist,
more room,
you know, all that kind of stuff,
making our own parts,
et cetera,
but over time,
you know, over time.
So you guys have been doing this for
how many years now?
What is it like?
I think this is our 10th year.
10th year.
Yeah, you've been about nine years then.
Yeah, I think it's 11th year.
I've been here.
Yeah, probably 11.
Yeah.
So 11, 10 years,
decade basically, right?
Yeah.
Now, there's a ton to learn with the platform,
we're sure, in that time.
Yeah.
So you guys aren't running
26s, I see.
You guys are running all
higher displacement things, right?
So if you're building a 26,
is that something that,
you know, you recommend,
like for people in the States,
because we're kind of behind,
of course.
Look, it depends on your goals.
Like, we've got customers running around
in 1200 horsepower, 2.8s.
We've got 1,1100 horsepower, 2.6s,
and they're mad.
It depends what your goal is.
You know, if someone's asked them
14, 1500 horsepower,
we just move them straight
to the bill of block.
Yeah.
We've done all the R&D,
especially with Street Fighter,
Josh Curie's old car.
Okay.
You know, we,
what do we use to do that?
Like 80, 81.
Yeah, that car on a cast block,
we were making 1,700 horsepower.
And it went 812 at 176 mile an hour,
which held the manual record
for about five or six years.
Yeah.
From memory.
And that's, especially with that car as well,
we learn a lot with cast blocks and whatnot.
And we're always scared of using,
you know, moving onto bill of blocks back then.
You're right, right.
You know, because we used to hear,
oh, they're all overheated.
People are driving,
try driving on the street,
cars are overheating, whatnot.
So we're a bit, so you know,
we kind of laid off from the bill of blocks.
Yeah.
We did wait probably,
I think a couple of years after that,
you know, we,
I remember,
that's when,
I was hassling Nav,
I'm like, man,
we've got to get into these bill of things.
I go, put one in your car.
If it works,
if it doesn't work,
then you've learned.
Why did you say that?
You won't have to get into them.
Like, what was it?
What was it?
Because we were at the point where we're like,
how much can a cast block take?
How much can I send someone down the street
with a cast block and have a,
you know, healthy conscience that,
hey,
it's not going to push a Welsh plug out or,
you know,
crack the block or something like that.
To be honest, over time,
you know,
every block's different cast block.
So, you know,
they'll start cracking on the deck of the block.
You know,
the sleeves would move.
You know, they'll,
they'll crack on the external side of the block.
Right.
You know,
so we did start seeing issues like that,
you know,
and then,
you know,
engine out.
All right,
we need to do another block,
put it in,
you know,
we'll go again for another year or so.
Right.
We're good racing,
but then,
you know,
then it was at that point,
you know,
we need to start getting to these bill of blocks
and that's when,
you know,
they released them and,
you know,
we started hearing people overheating
and they're like,
you know,
well,
let's just stay with the cast block.
Yeah,
I've heard that.
You know,
but you know,
and then we actually,
that's when Romanos came along
and he's 34.
And that was
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He had a cast block.
1500 horsepower at
a row racing
and then
that was in the 32
and then
he wanted to build his 34.
So we,
yeah,
and then we built his 34 for him cast.
Yeah.
And
he only wanted to streak.
I think I made
1100,
1200 horsepower.
Yeah.
The 32.
He went out.
Yeah.
And then went out to
row racing.
I think he won the first night
and
or he got up there
and he was very competitive.
We didn't know how competitive was.
Yeah.
And he never wanted to be competitive
and then after that,
he's like,
nah,
you know what?
Fuck this.
Let's go all out.
So let's get a bill of block,
you know,
and obviously Romanos,
you know,
he understands,
you know,
all the R and D
that's going to go into.
We've never done one.
So we just sat him down,
you know,
we're going to over time.
Like it's going to take time.
Yeah.
We didn't promise
anything,
but he understood,
you know,
what the go is,
how we're going to do it,
you know,
and it is going to take a lot of time,
right?
Is it is going to take a lot of money
and you know,
but the end of the day,
it's going to work out for him.
It's going to work out for us
and look where we are now,
especially with IHM
in saying that we had
so we don't IHM bill at first
and we done strapped as well.
Bill,
Bill's car.
He had a 32.
Which is fast.
Yeah.
Yeah, actually,
it was the original strap.
The original strap was a 32 GDR.
So the other two first cars,
we done bill of blocks in
and bill was pretty quick too.
I think he was making 11-12.
We won a few events.
Yeah.
We won a few events
and making 11-1200 horsepower
through the auto
and Romano has been
sequential.
He always loved his manuals.
Yeah.
And then you're from there.
We just went bigger and bigger
and you know,
and to be honest,
the first block that we had in IHM,
that was the first bill of block we done
was a 3.4
and had a 86-85 Gen 2
and yeah, man,
that thing went for,
that thing went for ages
and then we changed it to a 80-85
and then we went pro-mod
and now we just recently last year,
we took that out
to put that into his new car,
which is outside right now.
Right, right.
And we put, you know,
this engine's got alloy rods and all that.
So now we're starting to move on to alloy rods.
This is actually the first engine
that we're doing alloy rods.
We're kind of doing the same thing again
where everyone was saying,
hey, you can't run a bill of block
because they're overheating.
And we're like, all right,
well, let's prove it wrong
and we did.
Let's overheat it.
Now what we're doing...
Did it overheat?
I said let's overheat it
but never overheated it.
And now we're kind of doing
the same thing with alloy rods
because we've had this alloy rod engine
in the car,
probably for what?
Seven, eight months.
Yeah, seven, eight months.
Roll racing, drag racing, street driving.
Everyone said, man, 20 hits.
You're going to be changing your rods.
You're going to shoot it at the block.
I'm like, all right,
let's find out.
You know,
let's say you want to just take the car out every day,
go to the gym,
supermarket, whatever.
Like, will that be fine?
My personal opinion
is you can make 2,000 horsepower
on a steel rod, no problem.
So I would not recommend an alloy rod
to someone that wants to make 2,000 horsepower
because we've proven that they can make 2,000 horsepower
and be reliable.
Like, all our cars, you know,
you've seen racing over the weekend, no problem.
Now, the reason we've done it in Romanos' car
is we eventually want to put a bigger turbo on that car
and push it even harder.
But before we do that,
we know the rest of our setup's perfect.
Let's just change the one variable of the alloy rod
and see if we go forward or backwards.
Now, everyone said 20 passes
and you're going to have rods hanging out
at the side of the engine.
We're a lot further than that.
And, you know, he gives it hits on the street.
He drives it on the street.
He gives it hits at raw racing.
He takes it drag racing.
He does everything.
He does photo shoots.
He does, he would have done a music video
like a few weeks ago at the drag strip.
They drove it there, drove it back like,
it drives.
It's not a...
And that's a sequential manual car as well.
And then moving on to auto as well.
We had Bill in Strapped as well.
Bill at Block, he drove everywhere as well.
He's been all around Sydney.
Probably in every street in Sydney.
He's driven through.
So, they're very reliable.
Do they overheat?
No, they don't overheat.
They're only going to overheat
if there's an issue with the engine, right?
Okay.
You know, like, you can pick...
All these cars are in this workshop right now.
Probably 90% of them will be the blocks.
You can start any car up right now
and take it for a drive.
You can go to the city, you can go wherever you want.
They're not going to overheat.
The first night we finished B2R34,
which you see in the blue car
with the stripes down the side.
Yeah.
I told him, hey, bro, cars ready for pickup,
you know, come pick it up.
Let's go for a bit of a drive around the area
and see how you like it.
He put his kids in the back seat
and drove all the way to Wollongongan back.
Wait, where?
Where's this on?
Wollongongan, which is like...
Wollongongan is about 45 minutes each way.
Okay.
Up and down mountains,
around twisties and stuff like that.
And he was giving it a beating.
He'll tell you himself.
Some of the videos I've seen
from the night he picked it up,
he was giving it a beating.
So, why do you guys go with 3.4
as opposed to, like, just 3.2?
Like, why 3.4, 3.6?
Have you guys tried 3.2s or...?
We've run 3.2s.
The 3.2s like to rev more,
but the 3.4s are just bulk power.
Like, you know, if you...
In all honesty, I feel like if you want to,
you know, have a high-revving engine
and get big miles an hour,
a 3.2 is probably better.
But the 3.4 just feels gangster.
Like, you put your foot down in a 3.4
or even a 3.6,
and they just feel like there's bulk power hitting you.
You know, even...
You just feel the torque out of it.
Yeah.
Most of our cars are straight-slash-roll racing, right?
People want to go roll-racing.
They want to spend their money.
They want to enjoy their car.
Right.
You know, we're not going to drag-racing every month or whatnot.
So, you know, obviously over the years,
working out, you know,
what combos are good for roll-racing, too,
you need something that's very responsive.
Yeah.
You know, that's when our 3.6s, 3.4s help
with slightly smaller turbo.
Because we're only racing around 280...
280.
280 metres, you know?
Okay.
So, we're going to make sure that we're on it, you know,
and that's where our 3.4s and 6s
are pretty responsive, especially being a manual.
Automatic, no problem, spray with gas.
You know, there's a few ways, right converter,
dump valves, all that kind of bullshit.
Right.
You know, you press the button, you just drive.
You know, but being in a manual,
it is a bit harder.
But that's where, you know,
our combos we've worked out,
a 3.6 is good with a certain turbo.
Right, right.
You know, a 3.4.
And also, they're unbreakable.
What's unbreakable?
The 3.4s and the 3.6s?
Yeah.
They're unbreakable.
All right, hold on.
There's no way it could be unbreakable.
He doesn't believe us.
They're unbreakable.
Well, I, you could not break,
like, don't get me wrong.
You can break stuff around the engine.
You can break a diff.
You can break a turbo side.
You can break a shit around the engine.
You're not breaking the engine.
Simple as that.
If you got the right.
You're not hurting the engine.
You're not breaking the engine.
Simple as that.
Like, you've got to do a lot of things wrong
to hurt one of them.
Interesting.
We've put them through hell and back.
Cast heads, though, right?
Cast heads, they're kind of the one thing
that's limiting us now.
So obviously we could make more power.
We could, you know, port the heads
and we could put bigger turbos.
But then if we had a customer that said,
hey, I want to go drag racing
and I want records, yeah, no worries.
We'll do it.
You know, get a couple of heads ready
and let's go race
and we'll change them at the track
if we have to.
And we'll get the PBs.
But like Navi's saying,
most of our guys just want to do rounds
and rounds and rounds.
So that's kind of why we've stopped
where we've stopped at that 2,000 horsepower mark.
That's kind of where we feel the limit is
on a stock cast head.
But I'm really excited
for all these new billet heads coming out
because we're going to send them.
So you guys are going to be utilizing those?
We will be, yeah.
Yeah.
We'll probably try one of our own cars.
Yeah.
Even my Kyle Romanos or maybe Bill Strapped.
Yeah.
You know, just so we can test them.
Even PRBs coming out with a cast head.
Yeah.
We'll maybe chuck that on Navi's car.
I think on the engine,
probably the weakest point could be
the head that, you know,
we did try porting a couple of heads
and we did crack exhaust port.
I think one cracked exhaust port,
one cracked on the inlet port.
Yeah.
After that, we tried two heads on that
and, yeah, we never went back to
ported heads or anything like that.
So factory ports, factory heads,
just, you know, the basic one
with oversized valves and whatnot.
So reliable.
The machining process for the billet
is how important is that?
Very important.
Very important.
Just as important as, I mean,
it's important overall,
but as opposed to like a cast,
more important.
Okay.
Why a billet's more important?
A billet block expands with heat.
A cast block, you set your measurements.
They might move a few tenths of a thou.
Mm-hmm.
Doesn't really matter.
Right.
A billet block, depending on the
temperature you're running it at,
moves a lot.
Mm-hmm.
Even assembling them on the
temperature you're assembling them at
is going to give you one measurement.
Yeah.
And, you know, you come back the next
day.
If it's a bit warmer,
you're going to have a different
measurement.
So, you know, all those kind of
factors.
And there's one temperature when
you're racing, which is obviously
what you're aiming to have the
right clearance at.
But like I told you, a lot of
drivers drive on the street.
Right.
So, when you're sitting at the highway
at 3, 4,000 rpm driving to an event,
you might get to the event and have
110, 115-degree oil temp,
which is hot.
That is very hot.
And the block's expanded.
And, you know, that's when the dry
sun comes in.
You've got to have the oil pressure
there.
This is what people don't really
take into account.
They go, I've got the best of the
best parts.
I've got a billet block.
I've got this.
I've got that.
You know, but they don't check
the basics.
What's my oil pressure?
What's my oil temp?
What's it doing when it gets hot?
That's what keeps them alive.
So, you guys are all running on
all these cars, obviously a dry
sun.
Right.
And it's like a requirement.
They have to run it.
On a billet block, you can't
actually fit an internal pickup.
So, you've got two options.
You either go external pickup
or you go dry sun.
And you're spending that much
money, man, you're going to go
dry sun.
So, all right.
So, if I wanted to come here
and build a car, right?
What would it cost me?
Now, obviously, aside from the
chassis or the body of the car,
right?
What does it cost you?
Like mine or Mr. 33 or even
like strapped.
You know, they're all similar
builds.
You're probably looking in AD
roughly about 280 grand.
280?
280.
But that's...
That's...
280 to 300.
It could be more lucky if
you're going to cage and stuff,
but that's...
I'm talking...
You're not just getting an
engine.
You're getting an engine.
You're getting...
Oh, right, right, right, right.
You're getting...
That's including PDMs, wiring,
e-cars.
That's the full...
Okay.
I'm talking about Albin's gearbox
or Auto if you wanted an
Al's box, turbo side, inlet side,
injectors, fuel...
That's front to back.
I thought it was just...
So put it this way.
The only thing you're doing is
you sort your own paint.
If you want to cage or not
and pick your own wheels.
That's the only thing you're
doing.
Rest, we are doing front to
back, top to bottom.
Suspension, everything.
Damn.
Yeah.
But it needs it because a
lot of people used to spend
a lot of money on the engine
and gearbox, but then not
on shafts, not on the diff.
And then you go out and
you'd break it and then...
We've done that too at one
point.
We've done that too.
That's how we learned the
weaknesses.
Right.
So now we know, hey, yeah,
you want to make 2,000 horsepower,
no worries, but you want to
put your kids in it because
you don't want that shaft to
snap and, you know, flip the
car.
Right.
So, you know, we've kind of
got to take responsibility for
our customers as well.
Last thing I want is to
hear someone's crashed or
someone's had an accident.
Yeah.
So we take that shit
seriously.
Like if you don't want to
do that stuff, we're not
turning your car up.
Simple.
Do you guys require cages
too?
Like is that something that's
part of like what you guys do
because you can't, I mean, you
have 2,000 horsepower.
Yeah, we recommend...
We recommend every car.
Yeah.
Put a cage in it.
Some people do, some people
don't.
I recommend it to anything
over like really anything over
1,200 but yeah, like it's
up to the customer at the
end of the day.
Yeah.
That's one of the things
that, you know, some people
think they're ruining the
car.
Some people think they're
ruining the interior where
I think you just got to
be safe.
You know, you're putting
people in this car.
It's not worth it.
It's not worth it.
So 2,000 horsepower.
Are you guys using that at
the track?
Like you guys are running
these cars at 2,000?
Or is it just...
We're racing at Cots.
We can...
We're starting to get up there
like we're starting to put...
In the Huyagis.
Yeah, in the Huyagis.
Definitely not low-gays.
Yeah.
At Roll Racing and other
like Sydney Roll Racing, not
Cots, probably around...
We're probably sitting
around 1,500, 1,500, 1,600.
And then when we start to
go a bit more, we start
to go backwards because
everyone's, you know,
sliding around and back
and off and on.
On-off throttle and it
unsettles the car.
And then you get back on it
and you're sliding the other
ways.
Unless you put someone loose
like Bill Orteleo or
Romanos in there, they just
that sticky look.
They're sliding all over
the track.
You come back.
TPS is 100%.
So what is this car
making?
Because when I went for that
ride, it was pretty intense.
These car makes 1,800 on full
boost and you're on medium
boost.
So what's medium?
I'd say 1,500, 1,600.
Nah, bro.
Have you been passenger
in any cars?
I've driven all the cars.
No, no.
I'm not driven.
Passenger.
Passenger is very scary.
Isn't it scary?
It's very scary.
It's way different.
I only go passenger with
people I trust.
So who do you trust?
Romanos.
Tileo.
Strapped.
Bill.
Waza.
No, not me.
He don't trust me.
I've offered that.
You're not even saying Marlon,
bro.
I got his color, bro.
What do you mean?
No, Marlon's a gun.
If you knew Marlon
from back in the days,
he used to, yeah,
he was from
Gada da Gada just
sliding.
I'm telling you,
I lost my breath
for like a quick second.
Yeah.
Shout out to my boy,
Sam over here
for making that happen.
He was desperate
to get me in a car.
And I got lucky
because after that,
I think they started
the ride along.
So I appreciate you,
my boy.
And they always
feel slower on the track.
Like you drive that
thing on the street
and you're just closing
your eyes and saying,
wait, wait, wait,
even if you feel slower
on the track.
Like, no,
actually it was out,
bro.
What he means is
like on the street,
it's actually 10 times
scarier on the street.
It's probably scarier
but the feeling,
you're probably looking more
on the track.
But you can't feel, yeah.
On the track,
you feel that full J-force
and you know,
you stop breathing
basically in the car.
That's what I felt.
I'm opposite.
Like I'll go
drive a 2,000 horsepower
on the track and go,
yeah, that was mad.
All right.
I'll drive a
1,000 horsepower
on the street
but holy shit,
these things
gonna kill me.
So you have
your 34, right?
Which is cool
carbon fiber front here
in the shop car
technically
or is it just your car?
It's just my car, yeah.
So what package
does this have?
So this has got a 3.4
Kali's bottom end.
We did have a
83-85 on our one stage
and then
which was good,
it was quick
but you know,
it wasn't fast enough
for our racing.
So we did put
a pro mod on it now
88-03 next gen.
Has a sequential
air shifted gearbox
with all the
you know,
technology that Ben likes
to play around with.
Is this
really or
I'm a nerd,
I'm always trying new shit
and I always tell my
ideas to people
and they're like,
what do you want to be
and I go,
now if you have to do this,
alright, order it.
So that's all air shifted,
like Albin's just came out
with the air shift
gearbox
but now we've got
on the pedals
and you know,
it's pretty cool the way
it's set up.
Shout out to Albin's,
I've been pestering him
for a while
to give us an air shift kit
and they did
and it's awesome
and even the customer
service you get from them
man,
like I was at the track
and I wasn't sure if it's
the problem
and it ended up not being
but he goes,
man,
I'll jump on a plane
right now,
I'll drop him off to you
and he flew in
dropped off
everything I needed
and
yeah,
you don't get that
from many people.
You know,
like we do the right thing
by our suppliers
and they do the right thing
by our same thing
with Andre at DNA
you know,
I called him up
Sunday morning
I'm like,
hey,
one of these cars
I feel like needs to be
lifted a bit
by my friend
and I go,
okay,
don't worry about it
he goes,
when you're getting to the track
and I told him
he goes,
I'll meet you there
so,
yeah.
so have you tried
other,
you know,
transmissions
like why albums?
we've tried them all
we've tried them all
this is where you feel
no names
but multiple other
transmissions
and out of all of them
albums is the best
if you want to make power
in a manual
reliable
you'll break everything
on your way to an album
it anymore. It's just it's pricey though man. It is. It is. But pay once. Pay once. Pay once and it's
pay once, cry once. At the end of the day if you put something else in it or you know you don't want
to spend the money and you go to the track and you break something the first thing you're going to
say is fuck I should have put that in there. Yeah you know I should have just I should have
just done what the boy said or you know what everyone else is saying to do. Look don't get
me wrong people try it and you can get away with it at lower power you can run different
gearboxes and we have no issue with that you know it's all you know there's other
gearboxes that I like as well like the Samsung is five speed I really like the ratio one.
So everyone's got their different preference and shift of fuel and stuff like that but
if you want to talk about a gearbox you are not going to break it's the ovens.
That's good to know. Good to know not good for my pockets though. So what is your car make?
My car makes around 2,000 horsepower. 2,000 horsepower. Yeah 2,000 horsepower.
2024. 2024 to be exact. 2024. Yeah now we did take that out obviously last week you've seen
it goes just all over the place. Yeah so we're doing it a work on suspension wheels stuff like that
but you know next couple of months when we go back there and you know try different things
we'll get it down right to get it down fast. So at GTR festival this car was on a dyno no?
Yeah it was on the dyno. So can you talk about the experience of the dyno because we have you
have a two-stair you're kind of with a little heads up thing there so I wasn't there unfortunately
I wanted to record but I didn't even hear it was happening. Yeah so we had one of the guys from
Modi have come up to us and say hey you always want to put the car on the dyno it's the last
car. I'm frosty. Yeah yeah I don't know but yeah he come up and he goes you know
how you use the last car if he's want to put a car on you know there's a bit of a prize
money so I thought oh you know what? Oh there was prize money. Yeah there's prize money for it.
Yeah how much money we talking? I think it was $1,500. It wasn't much but it was more so.
I'd say 50,000. Not much this guy. I'll take it all day every day. Unfortunately couldn't get it but
it was more so he was like look you know we haven't had many big cars on the dyno today we've
had a massive turnout a lot of guys want to see cars. So we asked him like what's the highest
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Now it's your turn. Weight Watchers watch it work. We put it on the dyno we did um we weren't
hitting the boost that we had it when we're actually tuning it here um also we did have a
couple of trigger errors as well um it did end up we just pushed for it so it did end up
making 1875 1880 horsepower and we're like oh sweet you know it's all good give us the money
and then who do you see fucking Anthony Matuk like here we go rocks up he goes my car's going on
next i'm like oh shit so what does he bring brings his meft up drag car puts it on there
you know we're actually we took our car off you know we're sitting at the pits and
you know they're they're out on the dyno they come in the making boost for them and then
i think they're having trigger issues as well or something was going on with the car and
you know i think they're on there for like half an hour yeah good half an hour on they
we heard the pool that they made it made some power yeah they made 2200 2200 which is gags up
and then they said 2200 i was like ah shit there goes my money but to be honest we put
nav's car on to kind of give give the crowd a show like i've done how many pools did i do
eight pools eight pools yeah i've done eight pools at over 1500 horse power and then i too
accept it so if that doesn't show you how horrible these things are like if you're not confident in your
setup you're not doing that in front of a big crowd at gdr festival yeah you know that's a very
easy way to ruin your brand ruin your reputation but right right and what kind of gas did you or
there was no gas there was no gas no uh ethanol ethanol yeah sorry that gas is different when we
say gas we think nitrous i know i know that's all the way i'm sorry nitrous fuel we saw gases oh yes
nitrous all right yeah and so it was on ethanol ethanol it's on ethanol e98 okay and then his car
was on methanol methanol methanol yeah so does that even count look it was a horse power competition
at the end of the day it doesn't matter you can use whatever you want you can put jet fuel in
the car you know everyone knows metux he's got some big cars you know so he's one of the best
in the rb game for sure um but yeah he's coming up with this car on there it's made horse power that's
it you win is there any other cars that or other shops that build cars like you guys that you know
is a close competitor obviously it seems like there's like at raw racing um i think there's a handful
of cars obviously um you know there's us there's crd they build some mad cars too um metux they're
very competitive too um who else is there me precision racing obviously the lambos they're
not doing these kind of cars but they do lambos yeah they're the lambos and r35s and that which are
pretty fucking cool yeah really consistent very consistent very fast um and i think they're probably
the most four big shops that always go to raw racing every month and cots it's cool because
everyone builds their cars differently like even you might like go all right well btw builds gdrs
and metux build gdrs and crd builds gdrs but you'll look at a car in the pits with
no stickers and you'll know who built it by the way it's done like so now crd is obviously just drag
racing right they do what they do i want to say them they're only drag racing but their majority
drag racing and some raw racing right whereas we're majority raw racing and some drag racing
right and i would say metux is similar to crd with their majority drag racing and some raw
racing they've been around for ages right so is where some of their bills cars that you looked
up to or did you get any inspiration from them because you guys are pretty close to each other so
it's like definitely yeah definitely like they're um at the end of the day everyone's running same
block same striker kits and all yeah yeah it all comes down to turbo yeah water comes down to turbo
but yeah back in the days when you would see something like natus car king 32 runner six
whatever it ran you'd just be like holy shit that's gang style or you'd have
june come to the start line and everyone would run over because you wanted to see like
you know what they'll do you know obviously that's what makes you want to build these cars and get
faster um but yeah i feel like we took a little bit different approach where like i said we're
i'm very nerdy i want a cool dash in the car yeah you know neon's on the car light show you know
hot wheels so yeah everyone's got their own style like i said but yeah i know we definitely
install iron set up yeah you know everyone's good at what they do at the end of the day so um
role racing is seems to be the um i don't want to say the most competitive but the most exciting
thing so i thought yeah right so you guys have a lot of cars that are built for that technically
yeah for the most part and you have romanos obviously you guys built his car yeah and he
is pretty much one of like you'd be fastest 34 when it comes to role racing 34 i would say so
yeah um yeah i think so out of cars that actually do go role racing i would say he's the fastest 34
so what are some of the records that you guys have do you have any records or anything that
i think right now it's just really marlin's car with that um manual 33 record yeah um romanos had
the manual 34 record for a while and then war gdr took it and then romanos took it and then
war gdr took it and then i can't remember if romanos took it again or not but like they're just
constantly going back and forward back and forth so now i think they went seven forties now yeah
which is fucking fast very fast so we need to go back to the drawing board a bit more boost
change a couple of little things and then yeah we'll be back out there ethanol yeah a bit of
bigger turbo what's transmission is is on on uh war i don't know what transmission it is but
it's got some kind of a slipper clutch in it okay so i'm not sure do you know what give us a
naka no i'm not sure it's whatever they got in the car it's fucking working oh samson is yeah air
shifted samson is and they got some slipper clutch on there so you guys don't believe in
slipper clutches no look i'd love to use one but try telling romanos that he's like i wouldn't
he believes it's all driver which is right to you know so and he can drive too so if i
tell him to put one in there and first thing is i won't even finish slipper clutch you just
wait no don't even say that word again because it's me it's my foot it's my skill i'm going to drive the
car it's a lot more rewarding i feel like for when for romanos at least when he if he breaks
that record again to say that he done everything yeah like yeah it's very rewarding don't get me
wrong i put an air shift in navi's car i think it's the coolest thing in the world yeah but
if you ask me what's more impressive obviously shifting the car yourself riding the car itself
getting it out the hole by sleeping the clutch that's more impressive look on the weekend i was just
rolling along put my foot down and just a shift bang for six years it is it's pretty it's mad i
actually went for i did go for riding though yeah i'll put you in third way actually this car
yeah it was pretty it was pretty badass on the street it was kind of wet outside but
it was it was cool rips up nice yeah it lifts the problems nicely yeah i mean i didn't get
that experience but it was it was definitely a dope setup yeah um so do you guys have any
experience with two jays yeah like i told you the first car that i learned to wire on was
most used to jay and i think that made 12 1300 horsepower okay we've done a s14 two jays well
at this one yeah that we've done a few of them over the years but for us like in australia
there's not many people that build two jays or supers yeah like that because everyone wants to
be competitive these days they want to go racing you know so having super we built was
pretty cool as well yeah like what i mean is like street cars like on the street you can take
a thousand horsepower gdr a thousand horsepower super who's going to win the gdr's are in all
drive right so that's why a lot of people go towards the gdr's but yeah so this is going to
be your clickbait section gdr verse 2j rb no no i i would ask you like 2j or rb i've gotten
i've gotten the answer a million they're both gangsta yeah they're both i've gotten the answer
a million different ways um but i i will i asked the question based off experiences like if you
have worked with it if not yeah and then why i definitely have why you don't build them anymore
you know like navi said it's more so the customer wanting traction you know i mean
2j is mad for the drag strip you know you you pump everything but a lot of these guys
do drive on the street and they give it big hits on the street so with with the rb yeah because you
can like you you're confident you got all four wheels gripping up there are um they are they are
doing some all the drive stuff in the states with the supers yeah that's gangsta they are
there's somebody that i know who's building one right now i'll be ready for f5 yeah f2k if you
go let's see um he's putting it in uh i think it's a s14 yeah nice i believe but yeah he's
working on that and there is somebody else with the it's actually a r32 with a the green one yeah yeah
yeah that's old drive i'm not sure what he did he didn't really discuss what he did but i've been following
that cup for a while and what rice is pretty cool as well reval driver's that that thing boogies
yeah that thing is is no joke actually crd actually called them out oh it's good wow
well with tune three um i'm sorry not tune three um the vl the vl yeah which is a sick car yeah
so uh what projects do you guys have coming up any big any big builds or anything that we have got
another i think eight 34s we've got to build eight eight 34s that are in the build up lined up waiting
for us to have time yeah so there's still that and then there's a lot of people inquiring about
builds and all that kind of stuff but you know at the end of the day there's only so much we
can do yeah you know i say yeah we can start your car this date finish it by this because
we'll just be lying you know and we don't want that so we do have eight cars that you know we've
got about six billion blocks sitting in the engine room half assembled bottom ends are assembled um
and yeah just one by one we'll get them done they do take time everything takes time eight
though how are you gonna get through eight brah i think we've won by one i think we've already
done six six we've got a good team six months so we've got a good team oh this year already yeah
she so you guys the road racing scene is bigger here is it mostly because of the street
racing the lack of street racing that you can do here it's um a lot of cars use the straight
race a lot um but yeah over the years people crashing dying you know all that kind of stuff so
the cops are you know the police here are very very strict so they'll see you they'll get you
you know you're street racing they'll take your car look they've got a reason to be as well
yeah we're lucky enough that we have the events that you don't need to do it on the street so
why would you right so now four people is like you know they can enjoy the car on the street
cruise around that's what i mean no one goes street racing anymore like you know once a
month twice a month they'll go to the actual track where it's safe you know they can give it
all the power they want and enjoy their car here's what i mean like having two events
it's an advantage for people that actually want to enjoy their car right why would you go
race your mate on the street when you can be like hey man i'll see you next wednesday
you're dead in front of everyone you know no one wants to be i don't want to beat you
just me and you i want to beat you in front of everyone right that that's why
raw racing here is kicked off um so you see a lot more street cars at raw racing 100% 100%
you'll drive sydney streets all night you'll be lucky to find someone that wants to race you
but raw racing coming around these days especially there maybe about five six years ago it was
different yeah i think it's sad because you see stuff like one stock and you know what happened
to him and that could have been avoided you know like if it was on a drag not a drag
street if it was on a some kind of track there would have been emergency personnel there would
have been you know fire crews there could have been an ambulance there like yeah he might not have
passed like unfortunately it is what it is you do it on the street you take that risk right and you're
not always going out by yourself you could take out an innocent family no 100% the same way that he
crashed on the track the first time yeah is the same way he crashed the second time yeah technically
the same and it's sad man it is but um that's why it's important like for us to have the
states um but that's why i think it's cool that you guys have the rubbery thing you have a
bunch of events and that looks exciting you know people like my boy sam over here narrating some of
the videos famous famous so it was definitely fun to watch i actually um i watch a lot of this
stuff you guys have a youtube or you guys just end up on a remonna's channel reminisce the channel
yeah we've talked about opening one a few times like making an account but yeah with how busy
we are we're like alright let's get the camera out and let's get to work and you
You got eight cars. That's a lot of content man. Yeah, that's how I look at it
I look at it as like if you have projects going you can yeah, you can fill it
But yeah, that's obviously the time as well. Yeah, and then we got Romanos. He's part of us as well
So, you know, and then same whether it's his channel L channel. It's the same thing same thing
So you guys do you guys have a dining room here, too? Yeah, right?
So you guys obviously tune in house a lot of the videos that were viral to like I'm sure we're done here
So when it comes to tuning with RVs, where do you guys live at with the timing?
Main thing is the fuel you're running obviously because that's gonna determine whether you're not limited or not
And then second thing is the turbo because when you run a big turbo and you don't have much back pressure
You can get pretty aggressive with the timing because you know, you're not got all the back pressure
You've got good exhaust scavenging. You're not creating a whole bunch of heat
With the smaller turbo stuff, you got to be careful as they're ramping on you can feed the timing in as they come
On boost but as they're ramping on you can't just throw everything at it
Right. I think this is what a lot of people don't understand people go
It's a strong engine these guys making two thousand horsepower. Yeah, I'm gonna go
Throw all these timing at it to make it thousand. They're like, oh, what am I block crack?
You know, you've still got to be reasonable with how you apply the boost apply the torque that kind of stuff
But yeah, they they take timing. Do you guys run like back pressure sensors? Is that how it works?
How do you guys know how much normally when we do a new setup?
We do all the shit on that one car like all the sensors or the data
Whatever on one car and that kind of gives us a baseline to know
Hey, if someone wants to do this, then that's roughly where they're gonna be at if we're trying something
We've never done before then obviously, you know, we'll get all all the sensors on it
But at a most of it at a minimum all of them have you know EGT's and just a whole bunch of sensors
But not every car has a map. That's the one sensor. I would say probably not every cars
We know that set up is same as that set up is the same as my right if I've done
We've got ten cars. They're all pretty much all the same engine right just different turbo sizes
If we've done six hundred eighty-six eighty-fives. I don't need to log the back pressure on this one, right?
We've already got it. I know where they tap out. Yeah stuff that varies from car to car like EGT's obviously inlet air temp
You know all the important shit that that's every car's got it
Do you feel like EGT is our a necessity for a lot of these builds depends on the power?
Okay over fourteen hundred. Yes
Why well, I guess it kind of depends on the injectors you use as well, right?
Because you can make a thousand horsepower with shit injectors and you're gonna melt your shit
So with the injectors we use we only use injector dynamic stuff shout out to pull your Antony Palo
They make some badass stuff, right and I know that they break their injectors in before we even get them
Right, they flow match them to a set. So if we order six, there's six that are within one to two percent
You know, they're not gonna swell over time
The pintles not gonna wear in because they've already done that at their factory, right? So with that kind of stuff
We're confident, you know
You can push them a bit more and you can have even air fuel mixtures across the chart
Obviously, then you've got manifold design
So if you go try an inlet plenum that no one's done before then definitely have EGT's if you go to
You know what everyone's got on their car, which is plasma man or hypertune
Then you know, you're gonna be pretty much sweet, you know, everyone's running it. Otherwise everyone will be blowing up their shit
Same thing with the turbo manifold, you know, you got a six boost promo V-band manifold or T4 then you know
You're gonna be sweet, right?
But yeah, anything where you know, you're gonna be pushing or it's a big investment like what's a set of EGT's really
800 bucks 900 bucks. Yeah, it's just additional wiring
And you know, it's got its own advantages as well
Like you could be at the track and go shit. I had a misfire and rather than sit there and go
You know, was it injectors was a coils? Was it this cylinder? Was it that cylinder?
At least it will narrow down the cylinder, right?
So then instead of having 18 things to look at you're like well this cylinder change that injector that coil that spark plug
It's gone. It was one of them
That's if you want to be quick. Yeah, if you not a track day, you can do it one by one and go
Okay, that's a bad part and get rid of it. Right, right. So yeah, okay, very valid. So when it comes to
Torque, right? So I was speaking to Sierra about this earlier that Nitto came out with a wide journal. You guys do you guys use Nitto?
Yeah, yeah, right. So you use the wide journal kits. Yeah, now we do. Okay
So how is it when you're tuning in for like a boost? Are you wrapping it in sooner with that?
Or are you you bringing it later with the bigger turbo stuff?
I'm bringing it in as hard as possible as fast as possible. Really? Yeah, it'll take it
Yeah, it'll take interesting. Yeah, and that's probably why when you jumped in this thing, you were like, what the fuck was that?
Which one? Mr. 33. Yeah, because it comes in hard. It's not like I
Will slowly bring in the power slowly bring in the boost. We know it's gonna leave give it everything let it eat
So you're not you're not worried about the bearings or anything like that or no
But after every event, we're obviously checking out wheels
filters stuff like that, you know, and then they if we do see something in there
Then we're not gonna just keep I'll just send it send it, you know, it's coming out
Yeah, no matter what but we haven't got to a stage yet, you know
So all the bills you pretty much do the same way or it depends on the turbo size
I'd say most of our builds now have the bigger turbos on them
Like our builds don't start with anything under 80 if you've got a 76 mil turbo in the shop, it's rare
Yeah, so what you mean, bro, you can't what's wrong with a 76? No, I'm just saying
You guys are laughing at me, bro. It's not, you know
But I mean like we're kind of at the point where I don't have to worry about you right as quick as we can make the boost
Make the boost as quick as we can bring the power bring the power
Yeah, as long as we're not traction limited and we do do stuff in the ECU like boost by gear and whatnot to
Control it and give it like actually let it have traction then right bring it in as hard as we can
How is and you guys use told I forgot about this you guys use link. Yeah, all this stuff. You're not using Motec
You're not using hot tech. Yeah, why link?
For the for especially for our bees and how much power you're making with them
It's a very loaded question because every ECU can do the same thing right right
Okay, I'll take that back
Every ECU can mainly do the same thing right
But there's a lot of stuff that we do that's different like we're running a Motec dash
We're running a ECU master PDM because they are hands down the best PDM on the market
We're running the ID fuel pump controller, for example
And all of these things want to get controlled a different way or speak a different way or you know
They're not all interchangeable on a normal setup and right, you know
Motec's a very locked down with what you can do with can so so is how tech but it's a blessing in a curse because someone that wants to
Get the how tech or the Motec catalog
Plug everything in and everything works and everything talks
Someone like us that's running a whole bunch of what we think is the best of that unit. Yeah
They don't all speak the same language. They don't all communicate. So with the link we can write custom can stuff which I do a lot of
Some cars I've got two PDMs in and I've got the link sending out data to one PDM in one format and data to another PDM in another format
The fuel pump controllers give us data through can and I need to write a custom can stream
So I can see fuel pump speed. I can see fuel pump load
I can see fuel pump current draw
And then we got stuff happening with the Motec dash as well, which hands down best dash on the market
So it's just kind of making everything work together
and in terms of the actual
Tuning side of link man, they're very like I know a lot of people
Don't know how capable link is because I've never used it or they look at the software and get this is way too confusing
But you can make it as easy or as hard as you want it to be to tune a car with a link
But yeah, we can do some pretty cool shit with that like some of the stuff
We do in there people would not believe usually I think everybody in the States
Especially with the RB is running in a hall tech. Yeah, so when you guys said that I was like wait
What there's no way you guys? Yeah, not saying it's a bad thing to run it
But there's got to be something that especially at this power that you guys are doing that
Yeah, most people don't know about it. I guess I think they comes down to the tuner as well
You know what they used to using?
Like we can tune whatever you want. Yeah, what you need to know take whatever you want and they're mad at you
And I love them and you know, sometimes I'll be on the phone to link and I'll be like man
How tech has this feature which you guys had it and sometimes I'll be using a housing
I'm like man, you know link has this feature and I wish you had it and sometimes I'm using a mo-tech
And I'm like, why don't you have anything that either of these two have?
Yeah, I mean so
They all got their ups. They've all got their downs
It's what you're trying to do with the car and what your tune is comfortable with powers power
It doesn't matter what ECU you run true
That's true. I put it this way. I HM's got a plug-and-play. Yeah, that's all yeah, that's not a customer using a factory harness
That's a factory Nissan. I think really tier harness like I've obviously wired all the extras
I've put in the protections the egt's the turbo speeds the extra set of injectors
It's actually only got eight ignition eight injector drives and we're running 12 injectors off it
So that's what I mean like there's stuff in there that we can do that most people wouldn't 34 H is similar
That's a plug-and-play ECU the one that you jumped in Marlins. We do have a voodoo in which is a wiring link
They're a lot newer as well. So yeah, so the newer stuff. We're kind of at the point where we go
Okay, now we need dedicated 12 injector drives and you know, there's a few extra things that we want, right?
Yeah, man like
Power is power give it the fuel give it the timing give the boost is gonna make power
I don't care if you're on a mo take or a car be it's just how much control do you have that's what the ECU gives you
Right, right. You guys are actually surprised me. Like I said, yeah, this shop was like the first and only memory
I'm gonna have because I hung out with you guys
Appreciate it, man. They definitely took care of me when I was out here
I was like lonely, you know saying make you try your first crying in my hotel room and then text me
He's like yo man, you're not doing nothing pull up to the shop
I pulled up jet lag and then a boy Sam took care of me this weekend, too
Yeah
But yeah, nah, I do appreciate you guys for taking care of you know the hospitality and everything you to my boy
So, yeah, I just want to thank you guys for taking the time to do this
You know and the hospitality for pleasure having you here as well
I'm watching a lot of your videos online as well. So what's up? We watch a lot of your videos and stuff online
I appreciate it. Have any years. I actually didn't think not gonna lie
I didn't think anybody knew who I was here not even saying like that
But like I didn't think that you guys watch like YouTube stuff because you guys are like big shops
So I'm like these guys don't have time to watch it. No, we watch it when we're driving home at 2 a.m.
Let me see what other issues people around the world are having make me feel a bit better about my life
Well, you won't see you probably won't see too much RV should happen
You're not gonna want to watch like cuz you already had I don't watch anything. I'll be I could not care less
He's watching all the 35s over there. Yeah, the Lambo's the twin tower stuff
Right, right, and I guess over there's different everyone wants to watch. Yeah skyline stuff. Yeah
I heard in GDR festival. There's all Lambo's and you know R35s, but when they seen R32 a 3 or 4
You know the whole crowd was going towards them
So Romano Romano said said that it's he rather drive a GTR than the Lambo. Do you agree with that?
Look on the street Lambo
Racing GDR. That's mine. That's me. And do you how much power is making 1300 1300 do you and
1300 to like 18 or 2000 there is a there is a difference in the Lambo or because
Look the Lambo is a lot smoother. Okay
Power comes on 10 times quicker on the street untouchable
Lambo you cannot touch that limbo on the street. He's car leaves the lines down the way like it is far
That's a car that I probably will never get
Remember this guy Sam's like now we're gonna get you in there, bro
I remember the first hitting his car again. If you want to go see him go get it go figure that
Racing wise I feel GDR a lot better
A lot better. Obviously would they're making a lot more power. Hmm, but I'm
In the same thing like, you know, these car these kind of cars like when they start to come out
They're somewhat straight like they're going straight, but they're coming out to the Lambo's and that they're a bit sketchy
Like they deliver the power don't make the power. Yeah, because once they come out
You've obviously seen how many cars, you know lose control there and crash
I feel like you wouldn't feel them come out as much from how low they are
So it might be like throwing the rear around you and you wouldn't really notice because you're like on the floor
Whereas a GDR like you're up and if it starts spinning your whole view changes
But as a Lambo, you're like looking at the floor in front of you. Oh, that's true
Yeah, so it would be harder to know when you're spinning and when you're about to lose it as opposed to a car that you're sitting
higher and you've got like, you know
More you kind of got more weight too. So you can feel if the back end comes out
The Lambo got the engine right behind you
You've got this screaming v10 in your ear and these turbos making all the noises. It sounds nice though
It is it is a pretty cool. That is not what shops build Lambo's out here. Like
No one shop, but in precision. So there's a guy that so if you have a Lambo, you go to them
Yeah, definitely and they'll build it for you. Yeah, pretty much. It's all the guys
So those guys you guys have Lambo's that you get built by and then you also roll race against them in
Roll racing with a GT. So we built Navi's Lambo. Oh, you built it. Yeah
We built Navi's Lambo
I'll never pay someone to build my own car. Yeah, even if I don't know what I'm doing. I'll make it work
Yeah, maybe we'll make anything work. Yeah, no, we built Navi's car from scratch. Like oh, okay
Yeah, not one thing on that car is a kit not one thing on that car is like, you know, or we got it from this guy
Whatever
But yeah, we got hyper tuned to do the fab work for us insane fab work
We got them to make us the custom coolers. We got turbo smart on board to use their arm turbo smarts and wastegates and blob valves
You know, we use the same pretty much electronics that we put on these things in terms of sensors or whatnot
And we obviously got the mo-tex because that's what there is for
The hurricane and yeah, I remember mucking around with it and the first time I got it started man
I was like this gangster like it's cool. Sounds good. Yeah, it sounds very good. And you had it on this dino. Yeah
Yeah, we own this one. Yeah. Yeah, it was cool. It was cool until I had to change spark plugs
That's a project on those. Yeah, but yeah, it wasn't too bad like
There look for the for the first time doing it. Yeah, it was hard
I'm not gonna lie, but I think once you do two three four, you know, it becomes easy and easy out
It wasn't even hard. You're just scared you're like this seven eight hundred thousand dollar car
Gotta be careful, but like I surprised myself working on his car
I remember we bought the clutch kit and I've never done I've never worked on a Lambo let alone done a clutch on the Lambo and
took the rebar off took the
Like the lower plates off the skid plates and stuff and I'm looking at this thing
I'm like fuck. This is the water of my info like am I over my head. I'm like fuck it
I'll do what I do on every car. I'll start on bolting shit and I'll see where I end up
And I think what four hours. Yeah, he walked downstairs and he's seen the box out of this car
And he's like there is no way
Yeah, and then you know spoke to the boys at Dodson. I'm like, hey, you know
Can you guys give me a few tips and I think I spoke to Dan at Dodson. He goes. Yeah, man
It's easy as do this do this do that. I like you box back in the car the same day. That's dad sin
That's yeah. Yeah, Dan and Greg. I speak to up there. They're awesome blokes, but they're not hard to work on
They're intimidating. Yeah
Even when I was doing his spark plugs, I'm like, oh, he's gonna take forever an hour later or 10 were done
I'm like, okay, not that bad the fuel pump when I opened up like inside that fuel tank
I'm like, holy shit. There's so much lines and you know, the flux going on here. Yeah, what's going on?
There's a lot more to learn. Yeah, and then I'm like, all right, let's start and couple of hours later
It was done. So there was nothing really on that car that I've done. I'm like, okay, I'm stuck
Yeah, so you guys now you guys are gonna open up a lambo shop, too, right?
The goal is in the future to start doing more
That's the next platform for you guys. That's the next next platform. Yeah, we're not gonna stop on the GDRs
We're still gonna keep doing GDRs
But yeah, we will start I think in the new shop like we've got a few customers now that have our rates
Huracan stuff like that
but most of our customers that do have them also have a GDR and they want to build both so we're like
Okay, let's just do the GDR for now so we can move into the new shop
You know get a bit more crew on get you know stuff happening and then yeah
We're gonna get into it and funny you were saying before how like you guys love our shit and we love your stuff
Yeah, man, I'm frothing the G80s. I want one so bad
Yeah, and everyone I spoke to in America. They're like man, they're nothing we don't care about it
But me I'm in love with them for the price. Yeah, you can get a b58. Yeah, and
What are they worth over there? What's a m3 comp extra a brand new one or like an air market?
I think they're going for like you can get them for like I would say 80 or 90
Yeah, well, that's a lot more expensive than I thought it would be. Yeah
I it's if you get a yeah, probably 80 or 90. Yeah, not a brand new one though. Yeah
But yeah, 80. That's very like it's decent price for what you're getting unless they dropped because I know last time
I was checking for rear wheel drive ones. They were going for like 60. Yeah
Yeah, so and I was like last year right right. Yeah, so maybe it could be it could be 70, but
Yeah, I mean if you want a clean one in good condition, that's not beat the fuck up
I want to get one and build one. I think that's gonna be g80
That's probably gonna be my next car. You guys I saw one at GTR fast. I saw one at GTR festival
That would have been Chris Skinner's car. Okay the wagon. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That thing's gangsta
So that's about m3 touring and it makes 1400
I believe they haven't put the power down, you know, they still right working on working on traction and when they
Can feed the power in something they came out one time raw racing and yeah, man
He ended up I mean top six he was beating some fast V10s and some fast GDRs
That's when I was like, all right. This is cool. Yeah, so that might catch up then
Yeah, I might be a thing in the next it's so weird how it's like you come over here to Australia
And it's like you guys are just catching on to that
Yeah, but then it's like you're ahead in other things. Yeah, because people don't really touch Euro cars here
It's that the same thing as the language like it's too expensive. Why am I gonna bother?
I'll go get a you know old Jap car and do that up
But yeah, but nowadays they don't realize that and buying these old Jap cars one
It's expensive and building is expensive as all right, right, you know
So and just probably they probably are you the same money at the end of day buying a Lambo and twin turboing?
It's it's what you prefer like it's what body shape and the reason I like the G80 is it's like a to me
It's a 32 GDR with a BMW shell in line in line six three liter twin turbo four-wheel drive
Yeah, yeah, it's that's what I know. Yeah, give me a good sound system and a nice interior and that's a G80
I mean, they don't sound the same or sound the engine doesn't but I don't like the way it sounds
But you'll like it when I've got my exhausts at the bottom
Yeah, nah, this is great man, I really appreciate it and hopefully I can come back next year
So hopefully I'll come back to Australia for DTR Festival again and hopefully you guys make it out to FL 2k
I'm not sure what you're going or yeah, I think yeah
We've made him Evan Romano, so we're going for sure and hopefully GDR festival and hopefully PR. I
That's my alright. I you guys should really go there. That's my dream event like I want to go to PR. I
You need to pull up to bro. They don't write trust me. He'll tag along
They turn up throw him in the suitcase. No PR. I'm luggage is a business party. Yeah, like I'm telling you right now
I did I thought Simba was where like you party and stuff. I'm not interested in PR
I know I'm telling you like it's because it's in Vegas, but PR. I is like different man
I was like damn. This is not like this is like a business party basically
Well, like it obviously during a day, you know, you're obviously networking. It is great for networking
I just want to know it out. I want to see all the no
You can do that but then after when they when they close down. It's like it's like a party
No, well, not like a crazy party, but you just bar shit. Yeah, meet people. Yeah, you know talk about
All right, so if you could let the viewers and listeners know where to find you social media website, you know, Facebook Instagram, whatever it is
Tiktok B2R motorsport Instagram B2R motorsport
Facebook B2R motorsport just anything B2R motorsport B2R motorsport
Yeah, and then if they want to reach out to you to ask some questions
I'm sure there's gonna be people who want to like ask you some questions. I can ask one either Instagram email
On the website as well. Yeah, you guys are responsive on Instagram. Yeah
So everyone's the Instagram so if you guys want to get in contact with him
That's B2R Navi's got his personal Instagram, which is Navi Chima if you guys have any more technical questions or they can reach out to me
Ben Mina
Yeah, either one works either Avenue. All right, cool. Well, like I said man, appreciate it. Thank you
Thank you so much for your time and I'll be back next year
I'm sure I'll see you guys pretty soon and then just be on the lookout for that B2R bill that we're gonna be doing
Not in the soup, bro. Maybe something else. Maybe dance 15. Maybe we chuck a RB in a G80
No, I'm not that chassis. It definitely
But um, if you guys are watching the premiere right now
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