Back to Back to Back and the Problem with Ford

All right, guys.

Tyler Redick might just win every single race this year.

Well, he's on to a great start, three for three, first time

in NASCAR history.

We're going to break that down here on Sack & Pennies,

Court of the Joy here, alongside with Ryan Flores.

Breaking down, not only that, St. Pete, not only that,

we got snow racing in Big Sky, Montana.

We've got F1s coming up this week.

What else do you have?

The guy even knocked his tooth out.

We're going to talk about Eli Tomek.

Eli Tomek wins his record eighth at Daytona,

and then the trophy proceeds to knock his front tooth out.

All that and more, this week on Sack & Pennies.

Stacking them deep, selling them cheap.

It tastes like gasoline, grubber, and victory.

Where's that here, Sack & Pennies?

All right, friends.

Hope you're having a fantastic day.

Hope your weekend was great, Court of the Joy here.

Sitting next to Ryan Flores.

We watched the race together yesterday.

We hadn't done that.

I don't ever.

It was way better yesterday sitting there drinking a seltzer,

watching the cup race.

Dude, Tyler Redick.

So we had a complete street and road course weekend,

whether it be Xfinity & Cup over in Circuit & Americas,

which is a purpose-built F1 race track.

Really cool race track.

A lot of character.

We were on the short course of it.

The national course, if you would.

What's it called, national?

The national course.

Which, and then when F1 comes,

they run the international course.

They run the full course,

which we had run previously multiple years.

Love to see a NASCAR guy jump into IndyCar

like Dario did this weekend.

Different deal, but Dario, three-time Indy 500 champ,

had a great run.

Something happened at the end,

whether he slid a tire, had a flat spot or something.

I was just super impressed.

He stayed in the top 10 all day.

He runs sixth, seventh, eighth all day.

Guys were spinning out in front of him.

Dario Franckini's 52 years old.

52?

He ain't no spring chick.

That's why he was like, it's freaking hot in here.

He was cooked.

Well, that's another thing.

There's a couple guys that are cooked

in the cup race as well.

Once you're racing every week,

you kind of tune in your cool suit.

Yeah, you get acclimated to it.

It didn't look like he was wearing a cool shirt.

He didn't have the old L.M. bill cord

sticking out his fire suit.

So he was a right foot breaker.

Oh.

Looking at the clips here.

That seems to do better on road courses.

And when you went to Chicago for the first time,

you talked to Brody Kiseki about kind of

your brake trace looking like a potato.

So.

That type of stuff.

And I think the right foot braking

helps more on the road course,

on the street courses

than it does on a regular road course.

Now a street course, one thing

that people don't take into account

when you look at it just from 40,000 feet,

is the crown of the road in a lot of the places.

And in these trucks, truck arms,

the rear gear, everything, they want a wheel hop.

They don't want to stop.

They don't want to turn.

They don't want to go.

Which is where when you're watching this,

that his clutch work helps settle that rear,

that rear wheel hop

that's wanting to start inducing there.

But the difference between,

I mean SVG, he's a right foot breaker as well,

where he's modulating the clutch

in between your gear shifts.

So if you don't hit your blip perfectly,

and even if you do hit it perfectly,

you always get a little bit of a rear tire

differentiate of like the vehicle speed

versus the rear tire speed.

And I think guys that are used to working

with the clutch efficiently,

they slow their rate of tire heat.

So guys like Dario, guys like SVG,

we've seen some guys try to start

even in trying to incorporate that,

but it's like riding a bike backwards.

If you're used to left foot braking versus right.

Well, quite simply, when you grow up oval track racing,

you use your right foot for the gas

and your left foot for the brake.

And you always kind of trail brake

and you use your feet way differently.

Where if you grow up,

road course racing like SVG or like Dario did,

you drive more like you drive on your street car

where you use the same foot for your gas pedal

and your brake pedal.

And there's something to be said about the transition time,

even if it's just hundreds of a second

from the right foot to the,

you know, you're not, you're not loading the car up.

And I think that kind of quick lift to the brakes,

like oval track guys are really good at.

And SVG, we've seen him struggle at ovals

because he's been learning that.

That's why he ran the summer street out last year,

he came in here and told us,

I'm running more ovals, even legend cars

helped me just to figure out

how to use my feet different

because that's what us oval track NASCAR guys

have done forever.

But there's something to be said

of not pissing the car off

because you can really make a car upset

with how quickly you lift off the gas pedal

and get to the brake, it shocks the tire.

So there's a lot to be said there,

especially in a truck that everything's pissed off

as it is.

But Dario coming from an Indy car,

which is just a specific built race car 1,000%

where you can drive the crap out of it.

Once again, Indy race electric.

Well, it's interesting though,

cause there's no, is there,

there's not a clutch pedal in Indy car.

I don't know where the clutch is in an Indy car.

I don't know if it's on the steering wheel or what.

I hand clutch, or push button of sorts.

But they're not going to wheel hop

cause they're more like a NASCAR,

or a NASCAR cup car, my fault.

They're more like a next year car.

They just locked the rear tires up and slide,

which you saw some of that in the Indy car race too,

which friend of the show came on last year,

Alex Palau wins another one.

I was really pulling for the thirsty threes though.

I'm a big Scotty McLaughlin fan.

There's a lot of my Penske friends

that I trained with that are on that car.

Big shift brought Tim Syndrick back to be as grouchy,

to be as strategist.

That was wild news.

Because Tim Syndrick, team president.

Well, let's go full context.

They had to have all the heads roll.

So every strategist, every engineer,

at Team Penske last year, after the whole,

what was it, the Anund, Anundir?

What is it?

Intinuator.

The Intinuator?

Intinuator.

So, let's get, I'll give you full,

I was there for all of this.

Yeah.

So, Roger is, he bought the series.

Yep.

He bought IndyCar.

He bought the race track, yep,

the race track Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

He owns all of it.

Now, obviously, with that, people,

I think, was Andretti, was super critical

of him right off the bat.

Of just like conflict of interest,

but like nobody's doing more

for IndyCar racing than Roger.

But then it's like any series,

if you go to your local short track

and the promoters kids race

and someone's gonna have something to say about it.

So, they get caught, maybe a thermal,

doing something with the push to pass

with Joseph Newgarden, it was big news.

Yeah.

And I know from being in Penske,

they had like the lawyer,

it was like in the shop,

questioning everybody, like, what happened here?

Like, we gotta get to the bottom of this.

I think they kind of got through that.

Yep.

And then they go to the Indy 500

and they had a fit and finished piece

that they just cleaned up to,

going to the Indy 500, it's a lot like

going to the Daytona 500 for us.

You bring your nicest, best piece

and you have a lot of pride in what you present there.

I think they had a piece that was a stock piece.

There was a couple of different ones,

but they just cleaned it up to make it a little nicer.

And that's a no-no because it's a single source part.

And a couple of the guys that were mad

just in general about thinking

that there might be some Tom Fullery called it out.

Now, it was a tic-tac thing, but it was a thing.

It's a thing.

And Roger, I was in the meeting last year

when Roger came to Penske and was like,

integrity is my number one priority.

He's like, I didn't know how that meeting

was gonna go when he came there,

but he stood in front of all of us

and he's like, it genuinely hurt him

because they had, someone had made a shirt

and was walking around Indy with team cheaters on it.

In the same thought.

He's like, I've worked my whole life

like to have integrity and I'm trying to build this series

and help the sport and leave it in a better place

and like people are thinking this.

So it was, what I saw from the captain

in that moment when he came and talked to all of us

was like he was hurt more than anything.

So yeah, so all of the big names there,

presidents and team, like all the higher ups

of the team got let go.

And it was big news, especially Tim Synder

who'd been the president of Team Penske,

the racing operation for years.

So he comes back.

That's per se to have their worst Indy car season ever.

It was really bad.

But he comes back, Scotty McLaughlin puts this,

you know, he basically said, I put this team together.

And Scotty, there was a point in time

where Scotty in first practice

was like running and qualifying and Tim was talking to me.

He's like, you need to stop talking to me.

I was like, I wonder if he'd talked to him

like that when he was still the team president.

But it's good to see Tim Synder back and like,

look man, no doors are ever officially closed

in auto racing.

So it's good to see him back

and it just makes sense to see him in a white shirt.

Nicely ironed and starched with the Team Penske logos.

We're there, they ended up second,

who was third, Lungard from Aero McLaren.

He was third, rounded out the podium.

Yeah, so it was cool to see to Dennis Hauger,

he qualified third.

Dale Coyne.

He was first ever race, he'd run top 10.

It's really easy to get behind

and we saw a big pit road woe there.

The Scott Dixon's team,

they had to write rear fall off of that thing.

Now those are done for the day when tires.

I think you're done if that falls off.

But dude, like it just shows,

like everybody talks about it

when NASCAR like, why do the wheels fall off?

It just happens, man.

It's one nut.

If you don't get it tight, it comes off.

With them, the tire carrier, there's no tire carrier.

You pull your own tire off

and you put your own tire on.

It looks like when you put the right rear tire on

in that they'll call it inside rear

because the guys stay on,

depending on what side of the wall is,

they pay it backwards in our terms,

backwards there, so the right sides were against the wall.

When you put it on,

looked like it was cocked

and it kind of hit the brake,

either the caliper or the rotor.

And when he went to, he tightened it quick,

but the tire was never back all the way on the pins.

And in NASCAR, the guns that we use

are standard guns from Paoli.

And they're like a sport model.

Maybe like, are they like a,

what I'm trying to say is they're like a value model.

They're like a value model

because NASCAR voted on all the teams.

Like a Harbor Freight.

Not quite a Harbor Freight,

but they're not what IndyCar has.

Like IndyCar can build their own guns.

They have an app on Harbor Freight.

I don't know.

I mean, they just have way more RPM.

They can fight through that,

but if you don't stay on it long enough

and that wheel doesn't get back,

it looked like it kind of,

the view I saw the gas man would stand on the way,

but when it was leaving, you could see a wobble.

And I don't know what their protocols are,

what that's a really good team,

but that was really tough to see that happen to them.

Then they had like the cameras and the pit box

zooming in on like the pit crew's face.

That's the worst feeling in the world.

I mean, you said all the time, it's like field goal kicker.

That guy's never going to, that's a thankless job

because like bro, it's got there and tighten the wheels.

That's it.

How hard is it?

It's one nut.

It's a thankless job.

Hey, what are you doing?

In the world of special teams you are,

you're even just the placeholder anymore.

You don't get the glory that kickers get.

Yeah.

And then the guy misses the game when he field goal

and he's got to sit at the media desk

and ask, answer why he sucks so bad.

At least Adam Ventieri is the highest scoring player

in ever NFL history.

You don't even get that credit.

If you're a picker guy, it's more like just hold the ball.

Laces out.

Laces out, Finkel.

This is wild.

This found its way to me, I think just on my Google.

That's my only, that's my only source of news right now

is my Google algorithm.

And this video of Eli Tomek after winning his eighth date.

This is how they're going to reward this guy

after half an hour of riding the hell out of this KTM 450.

They're going to have this dirt bike pop off the top of the

trophy and knock his tooth out.

Eighth Daytona Supercross win.

So prestigious to win there on the infield of Supercross.

He just left.

Dude, watch this, the thing, oh, dude, that hurt.

So if you're just listening,

Eli Tomek goes to grab his trophy.

There's a dirt bike on top of the trophy.

There's a big base, big black base, you know,

and he's got a little like statue of a dirt bike

and a ride around dirt bike and he grabs just the dirt bike

and it tried to get the base up and it pops

and knocks his front tooth out.

He's just trying to be like old Jack Harvey's or Jack Hughes.

Yep, from the, from the, from the American.

Shout out, America.

USA hockey team.

Yeah, that was crazy, man.

Hey, if you, if you want to be a winner

and knock the front teeth out.

He's got a, he's got a couple bucks now.

You could probably go to the dentist

and fix that thing right up.

Or he can leave it out.

He's got a great story for it.

It looks like dumb and dimmer.

It looks like Lloyd, Lloyd Christmas.

Oh yeah, Lloyd Tomek.

But dude, that, that, I was doing some research

just on how cool bike week is now that of my cup,

now that being off on Sundays

and like it's starting to broaden my horizons

and coming in here and talking more about

just racing in general.

That seems like one I'd like to circle.

Even the world outlaws were down there racing

Volusia during bike week.

So it's really cool.

And a lot of stuff going on there.

Sweet.

I would like to just, yeah, broaden my,

broaden my vacation tastes

and not just, you know, go follow the NASCAR schedule.

It's fun though too.

It's fun.

We got to go to a lot of cool cities.

Austin's a cool one.

Austin's a great city.

We went there the first time.

Shout out to Kelly, man.

She wrecked on a lime scooter.

There she went for a ride.

It was brutal.

Lime scooters can be dangerous.

If you don't feel comfortable on a lime scooter

go with the lime bike.

There's another, there's a bike option.

Or just go your feet.

You don't trust yourself on a lime scooter

because those things will snatch your ankles.

She, dude, she took a tumble big time.

She did.

Took like a chair.

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Champ, though.

The, so with the new playoff format

or new points format, right?

There's no real playoffs.

It's the chase now.

Does it pay as much being good on road courses

as it used to?

I mean, I think all things considered

you couldn't have drawn a better playbook for SVG to come in.

All the way down to first time at a street course,

rain, time sensitive event.

Trackhouse had a lock on next-gen cars

right off the bat.

So he came into the best case scenario.

And I don't know if, to your question,

I don't know if Justin makes as large of a push

to get him full-time and to just eat

the cost of developing him on ovals

if it wasn't for the winning your end scenario.

Because when you won, when you won a road course race

and you were locked in the playoffs,

that was automatically like a $2 million bump.

I think it's even more than that.

So, I mean, it's millions of dollars

to make the playoffs.

Right.

It was in that old system.

So it's like, okay, we know this guy's

gonna win a road course.

Our chances of winning one of these three road courses

before the chase or playoffs

is worth putting our bet on the table

to develop him an Xfinity.

Say it costs three million bucks, three and a half million bucks

to for him to go ride around at Colleague

or whatever that is.

You know that it's gonna pay off every year beyond that

because he's going to odds are being the playoffs.

And the worst he's gonna finish

prior to this chase format is 16th in points, right?

Instead of being 32nd in points, 33rd in points,

like he might've been last year,

he was 16th or, I don't think he was last, I think he was 15th.

But now they changed all up.

I think he is a top 20 guy on an oval now.

You know where he is in points right now?

Probably a fifth.

Fifth in points through the first three races.

Getting better at drafting tracks for sure.

And we're gonna see, for lack of a better term,

you find out what you're made of,

like the season, the oval season,

and the meat and potatoes of the season starts this week.

You find out what your pit crew is made of,

you find out what your cars are made of,

like Daytona, Atlanta, they're great,

but it's its own thing.

And then road courses, they're great,

but it's their own thing.

You have what, five of them a year now?

But now we're getting into ovals

and you're gonna figure out if your arrow package

is right, if your shocks are right,

if everything that you've done this year,

and I think everybody's just kind of waiting,

for lack of a better term for this,

for like the oval season to start.

And we're gonna find out.

It's starting buddy, where we go?

Phoenix, Vegas, Darlington?

Phoenix, Vegas, Darlington, Bristol.

Oh jeez, the trucks and O'Reilly cars

go to Rockingham in there.

Yeah.

It's like your-

Oh, I got a job.

You did?

Yeah, that came out this week, driving a Ryan.

We'll race for pennies.

Yeah.

My brother actually made that video.

He works up a colleague.

How cool was that?

That was pretty cool.

So Reunite also, TJ Bell spots that 25 truck.

So I'm excited to work with that.

They have no sim.

That's like a circle.

They have no sim?

Like not even the sim where you just punch in

some springs and-

They were driving sim on the damn TV show.

That was before another OEM said,

no, we're actually gonna pull that file back

and now you're not gonna have anything.

Oh boy.

So they don't even go, anybody.

That's gonna hurt like the guys like Mini Tyrell.

Yeah.

Better get them a nice iRacing setup.

Yeah.

So that's, they got Tough Road to Ho.

They got, you know, a bunch of hodge podge trucks

because they had to buy some some perspire.

They got a couple old KBM trucks.

So I think over the course of the year,

they're building up and they're building their own

chassis and house and doing their own bodies and house.

But they are on the verge of now, hopefully,

starting to understand what their trucks do.

They tested a Rockin' Ham,

going to Darlington with them.

So I'm excited about that.

Let's give a shout out to a couple of our winners

this week before we get too far.

Yeah, we should have brought this up

when we were talking about St. Pete 10 minutes ago.

Yeah, we're all over the place.

Lane Riggs is becoming a guy that can win anywhere.

He's awesome.

He's got to be on some guy's radar to move him up.

And Ford, let's talk about Ford real quick.

The five team missed Kota.

It's the first time that there's only ever been one Ford.

The five O'Reilly's team had injured racing.

They missed the race.

Only one Ford in the field for Kota.

So it's like, where, it was like Chevy's and Toyota's.

That's it.

Where is Ford making the investment for the future?

I'm worried.

If I'm Ford, like, Chevy's got their program.

Toyota's got their program just like Keelan Harvick.

Yeah.

There's nothing for Ford.

So what is that going to look like?

Where do they develop these guys?

Because it wasn't for that 22 Xfinity car at Penske.

Like we don't have a Ryan Blaney.

Or an Austin Syndric.

Or an Austin Syndric or, you know, like that.

Where is the next guy going to come from

in the Ford camper?

They're just going to have to go steal them.

Like they're going to have to make an investment

into having a driver development program

because let's just say, for you, for instance,

like you were the only option for Brad to get

when he got hurt.

Yeah, who they're going to get.

I love that option.

Yeah, sure.

But there's nobody in the pipeline.

And then there's no, there's no Justin Allgaier's

go get that are racing weekly.

So like I'm nervous for Ford

and what that looks like to rebuild there and rebrand.

Do they, they're going to have to losing the Haas cars.

Well, there's the philosophy too

of how tight the OEM is with the manufacturer

where, or with the team

with front row between Chandler Smith and lane rigs.

I would imagine one of those two guys

is fighting for a cup seat next year

between the 34, the 38 and the 30, whatever the four.

So Ford or the OEM in that instance

is just more or less sitting back

letting that team figured out.

But to your point, like where's the ladder

and the talent ladder?

There is zero investment from Ford.

You know, if I need a cup, if I need a cup guy,

if I want to, if I'm trying to approach somebody

you know who I'm going after, Zane Smith.

He's a dude.

He was like, he's in the top 10 in points,

but he was up there again this week in Ryan Bergenty.

His crew chief does a great job

putting him in good positions too.

He got wrecked in that last wreck with Zillage,

got a flat, but they're top 10 in points.

Like I think Zane Smith is a dog.

He's a cup winner.

I think he can, I think you can plug him

into a team with some veterans and he.

Speaking of plugging in, how about Mike Snyder?

Dude.

I didn't see that.

I didn't have that one on Ben Card.

I hope Alex Bowman's okay.

Yeah, hopefully he's okay.

I heard he was sick battling some sort of sickness.

So I don't know what it was.

Didn't hear.

Beyond just the broadcast.

He has Alex Bowman's best racetrack too.

He's never finished outside the top 10 there.

He's run like four out of the five races.

He run in the top five and then just had a tough day.

Got a penalty on Pit Road.

And they just with my it's sitting there.

He was a he was a being a Pit Road reporters spotter,

which means like he's scanning people,

watching the rundown.

Hey, you know, he's with Jamie Little.

So he's got, they got like five or six cars

that they're constantly scanning trying to cover.

Apparently Chad Knaus is in their block

and Chad's like, Hey man, you got your stuff.

We need a driver because all the Xfinity guys

had went home.

Like there's nobody that can drive a race car

besides Fox's Pit Road spotter,

my Snyder.

So hell of an opportunity there.

Dude, that's it.

America.

Who wants to go for anybody?

Want to go fast?

Yeah.

I want to go fast.

You want to drive for Rick Hendrick?

My man.

Let's go.

Yeah.

I got my stuff in my rental car.

Let me run to the parking lot and grab it.

Shout out to my Snyder.

Good race car driver always keeps the stuff with him.

That is rule number one.

If you're a race car driver with the racetrack,

you better not leave it.

You got to bring it.

Because you never know when Chad Knaus will be like,

Hey, Kyle Larson's not feeling very good.

Come drive the five car.

I wonder if they changed your protocol

to keep like an all guy back on Sundays

in case something like that happens again.

Or like you keep a rotation of like,

Hey, one Xfinity driver is saying that.

Yeah, you keep a Sammy Smith there.

You keep somebody.

What if it was like Talladega Nights

where if like what if you were changing tires

and the thing like Ricky Bobby was

and then the driver wants to go eat a chicken sandwich

and you just get it right to the scene of the crash.

I'd get it right to the scene of the crash.

What a good racetrack though to like,

there's a lot of runoff there.

You get to ride around by yourself.

We'll wave it all the fans.

Like best case scenario.

Yeah, just don't just don't wreck this.

Just keep this.

Don't get in the way of the leaders.

Yeah, when leaders come, roll down pit road,

keep it between the muster of the mayonnaise

and just have a good time, man.

There was a time at the end of the race

where it was just a hornet's nest of the 60.

They were like three wide, four wide.

Everybody just kept swapping.

It looked like when we would go rental cart racing

and like we would have a rule that if you led

you'd have to drop to the back.

So it kept the field really tight.

If you let a lap, you had to drop to the back.

But like everybody just use each other up

and you'd be like five cars back,

three guys would use each other up.

You'd go four wide, get like four spots in a corner.

That's what it felt like at Kota.

Is that what it feels like?

Does it feel like you're at?

Dude, well, yes.

But when you're a GoPro, you have a smile on your face.

When you're racing, you don't have a,

you're just pissed off because you can't go, right?

Because you're three deep, somebody comes in,

smashes you out of the way.

And then if there's an open lane,

even though you know that nobody should be out there,

somebody's gonna fill it just to,

because there's asphalt out there

and then just force their way back and run you off.

So watching the 60 and the eight and the 33 with,

I mean, the 88 with Zillich,

he kind of carved his way through there pretty quickly.

But from that 13th to 20th, I'm like, oh my God,

like I am, I can relate to that.

That is, I've made, I mean, I've lived there for 10 years.

But to the question of like, does karting matter?

So like we're talking about rental go karting,

but I do see like a lot of the kids

that are having success right away

come from that karting.

Like the race craft.

You learn.

The road course, karting background.

And then like you have a guy like Corey Day

and Corey's been catching a lot of heat.

I actually talked to him on the plane for a little bit.

But like I feel Corey is only a spring car guy.

He's only really everyone's spring cars.

He's been thrusting the fire and watching him race.

People are very critical of him.

I don't think, and you'll understand this as a driver,

I don't think he quite understands

where the corners of the car yet are.

Because like he clears himself kind of quick

and it's one of those deals.

And I'm sure you've been in it when you get in a new car

of like, oh, I thought I was clear there.

And you've got like two more inches

and you hook Godzilla.

I know he said that his splitter was broken

and he just got super tight there.

And there was another point in the race

where kind of guys left for your quarter panel

ripped off by like clearing too tight.

And I'm like, man, one thing you can't replicate though,

people might be mad at him at the start

is you can't replicate his speed.

I mean, you run fifth.

He's a spring car guy.

He's not a road course guy.

Well, here's the thing too.

It's like he has such good people around him

and all the tools you need to be successful

as a racer driver like.

Yeah, but you still got to get in and drive it.

We've seen people have tools

and not be that fast right off the bat.

So I'm with you and I get where you're coming from.

I think that you could plug in 10 guys

into that same opportunity

and the car and the surrounding things,

you just figure it out and you go.

Like his floor.

That's hypotheticals, but the thing is right

that he is there.

It's not going to happen.

They're going to plug 10 people in that thing.

No, of course.

But he's consistently fast.

Well, his floor is considerably higher

than like he can go have a bad day

and learn and not wreck people and be eighth.

Yeah.

But the mindset of spring car guys in general

is like they make, they put people in bad spots

and make them lift where,

sure you might not know where you're right

from Fender is too,

but it's been multiple weeks of crashing guys.

I would like to see him start to not do that.

Well, it's only been three weeks in.

He's wrecked four people.

Josefar's been doing it for three years.

Yeah.

And it's working for him, right?

Now the fans are starting to turn around.

Yeah, they're like, oh yeah, he's the intimidator.

Of like, yeah.

Like we're going to paint his car black

and we're going to start.

Yeah.

How did he get parked on the front stretch?

Somebody had enough of him.

Is that what happened?

Did you see it?

Road course is the worst place where they're like,

I'm over you and then you get spun out

and there's no caution and you just finished 50th

and you're like, damn it, my point stays rude.

Yeah, but Corey obviously has what it takes

and he's got people around him

that are going to give him all the options

he needs to be successful.

I think that he has the ability

and he's got the stuff.

So he's going to figure it out,

but how many withdrawals from the account

are you going to keep taking?

Well, he keep going on Twitter and he said.

He did not go on there.

That was somebody else.

He didn't pen that.

I don't know, but he's a PR person, copy, paste.

Hey, put this on there.

No, I bet I don't know, but anyway,

his Twitter said that, you know,

I just got to have a couple of quiet weeks here, but.

No, yeah.

He didn't, he didn't.

Listen, if you're racing for wins

and you're racing up front,

it's hard to have a quiet week.

And look, I'm telling you,

I've been doing it for three or four years

and it's gotten to the Cup Series

and it's got everybody's poem,

everybody went from this kid's got to change to,

we need more of that, right?

So like it's changing.

If you just be yourself,

things are going to be just fine.

Yeah, if you're going to smash it.

They usually work out.

Yeah, don't apologize for it, yeah.

Get out of the way.

But I truly, like I think Carson is just,

that's who he is.

I think Corey is just learning in front of everybody.

Yes.

And Jeff Gordon, Spring Car Guy,

Kyle Arson, Spring Car Guy,

they had a little bit more,

I don't really remember what Jeff,

but like my point is Zillich was running

and Brent Crews, Trans Am cars,

big full body cars, late models.

Yes.

We're like, I think Corey hasn't really run

many late models or short track stuff where it's just like,

Or any road course.

You know, there's a lot of stuff to break

on an Xfinity car in a Spring car.

There's only the ladder to knock out of it.

You either knock the right or ladder out

or you flip it, you flip off into the catch fence.

Right.

Like one or the other.

So figuring out.

And it's like the old time,

like it's like days of thunder.

There's Kamikaze and there's calculated, right?

And you just going to have that, you know,

like the Greg Ives and those guys in his ear,

guiding them like, Hey, all right,

Hey, back it down.

It's no different than watching that.

His eyes on his box.

Ives is a competition director.

So you'll have those guys, Chad,

Jeff Gordon, Kyle Arson.

Hey, we got to finish first.

We must first finish,

you know, like that type of Robert DeVall character.

Isn't that what they told him last year

and then they felt like he was too reserved.

So they just loosened the reins back up on him.

I don't know.

I've never been close to it.

So.

Cause they like the first couple,

you know, he was running those trucks last year

and it was, Hey, man, just finish.

And then you just get in this mental state of like,

Oh, don't crash.

I need to make all that.

And then you inherently crash.

You ever seen her in her documentary?

How am I supposed to race?

If I'm worried about crash.

Yeah, you can't do both.

They'll figure it out.

Look, he's got like to your point,

he's got great people around him,

but what he does have that having great people around you,

like you can have as many great people around you

as you want.

You don't have raw speed in this day and age.

You're screwed.

Yeah.

Same thing Carson Hosefar has, raw speed.

Everything else will come.

Corey Day has raw speed.

Everything else can be learned,

but raw speed, you have to have that.

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Got some questions here.

Rob Steven 91 underscore,

how many more horsepower did that car of Redex have

other than SVGs?

People think that he's got more.

Well, people asked that.

I've asked a couple of these drivers

that have switched OEMs

because I've heard our drivers for years at Ford

be vocal on the radio of if they don't feel like

they have enough of horsepower or what.

I think that the horsepower range is close.

The peak is comparable.

It's close, but how they get there,

if it's better on the bottom end,

if it's better on the top end,

that is different.

And Toyota, if you want a measuring stick

for just horsepower in general,

look at super speedways.

And the Toyotas in the last two years

have been qualifying on the front row

towards the front more.

So that tells me that TRD is doing a better job

with their horsepower.

Now, where they tune the motor with the EFI

and with the bottom end top end,

typically Ford's make more top end.

Toyotas and Chevy's, it seems like pull off the corner

a little better.

So top end is the end of the straightaway,

more bottom end is the beginning of the straightaway.

Now at road courses, when you have more bottom end,

it makes your whole straightaway look faster.

Toyota's also do really well,

is make great mechanical grip.

So it might look like

Tyler Redick's car had more horsepower than SVG.

If you would put them on a chassis dyno

right when the race is over,

I bet you they're within three or four horsepower.

The torque curves might be a little bit different,

but the dampers and the mechanical grip

built into the 45 car,

which is why they have won multiple road courses,

which why they win multiple races a year

is because they can get on the power harder than what,

I mean, SVG was complaining about not having the best grip,

not having great lateral grip.

So when you're guarded being like you're,

you're having to keep a neutral wheel

to keep your rear tires loaded up and not sheer.

If you're somebody in front of you

is able to put some more wheel to it,

push the gas down harder,

obviously it's going to look two feet on exit

is going to be a car length and a half

at the end of the straight away.

So yeah, a car that turns better

and you can get back to the gas sooner.

It always looks like it has more motor

because you're back in a throttle sooner.

Nicholas Soulson asks to that point,

do you think there will be a lot more tire problems

at Phoenix with the increased horsepower?

There's a lot of tire problems last year, Corey.

So if there's more, it's going to be a big problem.

Well, we saw, I loved it because

when Goodyear brings a new tire to the racetrack,

the game with all, the game a team's trying to play

is they are trying to take as much air out of the tire,

particularly left rear to get not only sidewall flex

to build more grip into the tire,

but also get the diffuser lower

to then make more downforce.

So it's like a two-headed monster

of what you're trying to go.

Problem is when you go down that low,

when the left rear tires got camber in it, right,

top out, bottom in, it rides on the corner of the tire.

There's the tread and there's sidewall.

When it's soft, it really beats up that sidewall.

At Phoenix, you can run on the flat as well.

So it beats the tires up.

NASCAR brought a new sidewall and a new tire

for the championship race and we saw,

I think it was the right rear.

Same tire this week, they're running.

So I could assure you, the 19,

because they had two right rear tires go down

during the championship race last year,

they're going to have a little bit less camber,

a little bit more air in the tire,

and it's not going to feel quite as squishy and good,

but you're always going to see one or two guys playing,

trying to, because the juice is there,

if you want to go get it for a couple laps.

You take half a pound, six tenths of a pound

out of any tire, you're like,

ooh, that feels good, give me more.

And then you break a tire.

Well, also since they raced here last

and they're on the same tire,

they have all the notes from the last race.

So everybody's going to be smarter going into this.

Like, if you want a great NASCAR race,

give them all something new and don't let them practice.

And they'll figure it out on the fly.

And then go back to the next race

and it'll all be different.

One great question.

This is the type of questions we need.

Kyle Nogel, 15, shout out to Kyle.

He always gives us questions.

Who'd do better?

MJ in the 45 at Kota or Redick on the Bulls?

That's a great question.

I know my answer.

Neither, I mean, unless Tyler Redick is Mugsy Bugs.

No, Tyler Redick would do better

because he can pass the ball

to somebody that could do the job.

Yeah.

MJ is in the car by himself.

Good luck, buddy.

One, good luck getting him in there.

Yeah.

He has raw speed down the court.

I don't know that he has raw speed in the race car.

I wonder if MJ is a car guy though.

I haven't.

Absolutely, he's got to be a car guy.

If he owns NASCARs, he's,

he owned a super bike team.

Motor GP team.

Motor GP, fishing guy.

Well, I think being a car guy and a billionaire

kind of go hand in hand too.

You just have to figure out where to spend your money.

Yeah.

Last one, Alex W33X took my six year old

Dakota this weekend.

What do y'all's kids think of NASCAR?

Just dad's job or more?

My kids think about MRO.

There's MRO, shout out to MRO with motor racing outreach.

They have a playground at the racetracks

and that's where all the kids hang out.

Yeah, I think my, I,

like Levi's watching Racy's bow

on top of Tyler's car

because their buddies, they run around

the, the drive runner a lot together often.

And I'd like, they don't seem to care.

And I think about when I was his age,

watched my old man run around like,

I didn't really care either.

It was cool.

But like, I got to do that induction thing.

Did I say this on the show?

I said it on the show.

Where it's like, some of my favorite memories

growing up didn't have anything to do

with dad driving a race car.

Yeah, we talked about that with Ricky Sandhouse.

That's a great job.

I love bringing her to like bringing Harper,

like in the grandstands of just a normal race.

She'll get into it.

Yeah.

Being at the racetrack in person is an awesome experience.

But when they go for my job,

like they're there for, you know,

it's like, I can't really hang out with them.

I'm not focused on like, I try to be a good dad,

but I'm working as well.

So just, you're not there.

So we're going to go to caraway this week.

Bring the kids up there.

Go race Sunday.

What's up?

You're racing?

602, Sunday.

Going to bring them.

Well, I'm going to fly back from Phoenix,

get back about six AM

and then get right in the truck

and drive the car away and go run.

So 602 modified up there.

Real racer.

Pit boss of the week.

We got to get, we got to hurry this up, man.

I got a P.

Who is it?

The pit boss of the week this week

got to be the 20 car.

They crushed it.

Shout out to them.

The dogs.

They ended up third?

Where did they end up?

They ended up top five, I think,

but they had a,

they were the only ones with the eight second average.

And this was kind of one of the first,

one of the first weekends where you could,

pit stops still,

you're not going to see like really fast pit stops

until next week.

But still this week,

they were, you know,

they cars were easier to do fast pit stops on

than at Daytona and Atlanta

because the rebound in the front shocks

and the way that they set those cars up,

the cars that in super speedway cars

are genuinely harder to pit lower.

It's just, you're not,

you're more worried about fuel,

but here they had some fast pit stops

and just shout out to those guys.

Let's, let's name them off real quick.

Let's write them off.

Let's paint more of the fueler.

Dog.

Michael Hicks retired.

Been around forever.

He's been the,

he's been one of the fast man on pit road

for the better part of 20 years.

He's an old dog.

Blake Houston, front tire changer.

I love that kid.

He's been there for a couple of years now.

He's been crushing it.

Will Cooper, their tire carrier.

He's one of the new additions

to the team this year.

And Darrell Edwards,

he's been around a long time.

He's been crushing at the Jackman position.

It's really interesting watching kind of,

and I'm really pumped up for this week at Phoenix

to see where everybody's at.

Cause everybody always tries something a little different

whether it be the jack behind the back,

the way they're dropping the jack,

the way they're doing stuff.

So I'm excited to watch that pit road battle.

It was an absolute war in Phoenix in October,

November, the last time we ran there.

And it's going to be the same this weekend.

I'm excited to see.

I mean, the battle is going to be one on pit road

of who can get their guy with front road control

and make the right moves.

But yeah, the hardest.

Saw a lot of two tires last time we were here.

Yeah.

So the hardest, yeah,

with the five car for sure.

Little bit of strategy

and a whole lot of hell you out this SVG burnout

after the race.

Yeah, finishing up for your race.

Last couple of things, SVG, I was watching

and I was listening and they were talking to,

talking about him, they're going to kick this football

into the grandstand.

I was like, damn it.

It's a rugby ball.

Who said that?

Who called the football?

The announcer at Kota.

I don't know who it was,

but they were kind of missing the mark.

The track PA.

Yeah.

Because I believe the CW knows that.

No, it was on the track PA.

Okay.

Because I was at the track.

And then when he kicked it,

it went like 75 feet in the air

and it didn't make it over the catchment.

I was like, dang it.

This is a race?

What?

How much water he takes on the whole car is underwater.

And that's a diesel too,

so they can run underwater halfway deep.

This is, yeah, this is some of SVG's people here.

There's some New Zealanders, some Kiwis out here.

That guy's in trouble.

They are under six feet of water.

Right, that one off.

This car's upside down underwater.

Kyron was at an ice race?

Where was it?

Big Sky Montana.

The legend, yeah, the legend's the race,

not legend's old people,

the legend's races that they run here at Charlotte.

Legends cars?

Yeah, they had some,

they had a little bit of everything.

This reminded me of like a Goodwood,

but in the mountains of Montana.

It was a little bit of everything.

And it's like a road course that they make.

I love those old body styles too.

What are those body styles for the legends cars?

Those are the sedans.

Yeah, those things are sweet.

Oh yeah.

Looks like a roll one.

Shout out to, what was that guy's name

that had the eyes on the front of his car, the 81?

Craig Ghost.

Craig Ghost was a bad dude

and legend cars back in the day.

That's a bad unit.

Yeah, that's a bad unit.

They build those Broncos.

They do a lot of stuff here in URE,

which is a kind of national park

here in North Carolina

in between Charlotte and the coast.

Oh, Koda.

There's another hell yeah moment here from the,

so Fox had a good clip of this from the drone,

so they almost had it.

So the copter, helicopter, was that a Blackhawk?

What is that?

Patchy?

Follow, like does the track?

Turn one, two, through the Ss, it's going around.

Gosh.

You see so much cool stuff.

Like you take it for granted

when you're standing on Pit Road

because you're kind of getting ready

and you're working.

But if you go as a fan of these races, dude,

you see so much cool stuff.

It's got to be system overload.

You got to leave there thinking America, baby.

Well, let's do a penny-sacker of the week.

We haven't done actually shout-outs to fans.

I don't really have any.

You don't have any fans?

They've all turned against you?

No, I haven't had any fans reach out.

We had somebody sent some couple of challenge coins

in a hat in a lot of people at the track.

I get to talk to a lot of people.

Man, I brought those stickers that put stars on.

Did you see them yesterday?

I set them out for you.

No.

Keep forgetting to bring them in.

I got to bring them in and give that guy as you do.

We definitely need to give that guy an out of boy.

Our guy this week can be Connor Zillich though

for that drive back to the front.

Well, between not only the Xfinity race

or the NASCAR O'Reilly Auto Parts Series race,

he got back to the front, had some brakes.

Broke a left rear rotor.

They changed a left rear rotor on pit road.

And a caliper.

So they changed all that, drove back,

ended up getting spun out in that by your boy.

And then.

Who's my boy?

Cori Day.

And then got spun out twice in the Cup race, right?

Once by Suarez and once by Crux.

Everybody just, everybody that he passed,

the crew chiefs were like, follow him.

Just follow him.

You can't.

He's good.

Yeah, great idea.

I would love to follow him.

Oh yeah, I'd love to.

I've been trying to figure this out all day

and then he just drives around me like I'm tied to a stump.

A lot of great stuff coming from him,

but Randall Burnett's got to feel crushed.

They were like 36 in points going in.

I think they gained four or five spots,

but they got a long road to hoe.

I mean, they had easily top five speed

if all things went well for him,

but everything was up against him.

He was the fastest car on track.

I don't know that he was gonna win and get there,

but he was the fastest car on track, so.

Who's your Phoenix pick?

I mean, why can't Tolerate it go four for four?

You can.

That would be unreal.

I saw also a stat.

There is a bigger gap, I believe it's 70 points.

There's a bigger gap from first to second,

then there is second to 26th.

Oh yeah.

That's how tight it is behind him, and man.

People that are wanting a full season points deal,

they might as well get and get the trophy,

but dust it off by Daytona in September.

Listen, there's a lot that can go wrong.

There's a lot of races between here and there.

He's off to a great start,

but like we said, the season starts this week.

Who are you picking for Phoenix?

I'll pick first, as you won last week.

Yeah, I did pick Tolerate it.

I picked that for you.

We picked one too.

I'm gonna go back,

thinking back to the last race there,

Denny Hamlin was so dominant.

Obviously, he didn't go his way at the end.

I think Denny, all that he's been through,

picking Denny for this week to go back there

and have a little bit of redemption.

You're gonna see the normal band of characters up,

fighting for the lead in the top five or six,

like you normally do.

It'll be between, right?

You'll see William Byron back up in the mix.

Excited to have William in the 88 X-Menity car this week.

Oh, Riley's car this week.

Gonna be changing tires for him

the first time I've ever changed tires for him,

so hopefully we can have a good showin'.

Put that thing in victory lane.

That'd be cool.

Was Raja in the other car then?

Raja's I think in the 32.

Raja's had a great start to the season.

He had a great run going,

got it chained up at the end of the race,

but shout out to Raja, man.

He's just infectious to be around, a great guy.

He's always happy.

He's a Sunday guy.

He'll be ready for Sundays.

Keep him around Marty Linley

and then boys doing motor sports for a year or two.

He'll be ready to move up.

That's right.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

I'm gonna go Tyler Redick 4-4.

Let's go.

That'd be an unreal start to the season,

but momentum's a real thing, man,

because those guys,

they could have the front blown off

of the right front fender miss and Atlanta

still find their way to victory lane.

So when it's going your way, it's going your way.

And I think they have all the mo and then some.

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F1's kicking off this weekend.

Fired about that.

Fired up about that.

Skyron asked if, do we watch F1?

And I watched the highlights,

but I'll be watching this week

to see how Cadillac does.

I think that, you know.

I'm watching much more over the last 10 months.

I've been watching just a lot more racing more in depth.

I used to be a fringe fan of everything

just cause on the weekends you're busy,

but now I watch practice.

I'll keep up with it.

Qualifying and got a chance to go to Vegas last year.

At the end of the year, that was really neat.

But yes, super interested to see how Cadillac does.

Who's your pick?

Man, you don't really know who's sandbagging

in pre-season testing,

but Ferrari's new wing that we talked about last week,

super cool.

I'd love to see Lewis Hamilton.

Because just like back in the day,

when NASCAR's a better place,

when either Chase Elliott or Dale Earnhardt Jr. is winning,

F1's a better place when Lewis Hamilton's winning.

Skyron under his breath.

Why?

He's not a Lewis Hamilton fan.

It seems I...

I'm gonna go the simple one here, Max Verstappen.

I don't know how they did in pre-season testing.

I didn't pay attention really much to it.

Give me Max Verstappen versus the world.

That's all I got.

I mean, you really went...

I think Cadillac, I hope Cadillac...

I hope they scored points.

I think it's gonna be a long road to hope, but who knows?

It seems like there's a lot of parity right now,

and no one really knows an F1.

It seems like they kind of are on the next gen thing.

So who's gonna be the track house

that comes out of the gate hot

that no one was really expecting?

We'll find out this weekend.

There will be some surprises, I'm sure.

And the rubber hits the road this weekend in Australia.

Is that Gold Coast?

Where the Gold Coast?

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