0:00 / 0:00
NASCAR Rivalries Are Back: Hocevar vs. Zane | Stacking Pennies

NASCAR Rivalries Are Back: Hocevar vs. Zane | Stacking Pennies

0:00
0:00

About this episode

Rivalries and racecraft take center stage as the hosts break down dominant performances, dirty air, and how restarts and downforce shape pace. Corey LaJoie adds team context—why “you can't drive a slow car fast,” how big-team resources raise pressure, and what it’s like filling in on the 77. The conversation also swings to Atlanta and Lime Rock logistics, pit strategy tradeoffs, and a few off-track moments: merch promos, Topgolf charity fun, and Goodwood car spotting.

Technical Too Afraid to Ask
Term

fastest lap

"No, he didn't get the fastest lap. Oh, who got your question?... I heard somebody talk about how they got the fastest lap..."

The fastest lap is the quickest one full lap a driver completes during the race. It’s basically a way to show who had the speed at that moment.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

restart

"You can kind of manipulate it at super speed. Especially after a restart when the track screen no rubber on it."

A restart is when the race starts again after a caution. Everyone is bunched up, so it’s a moment where drivers can make big moves and gain positions.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

dirty air

"A lot of times when a car like that that gets the pole loses the lead, you're like, okay, we're going to see how they do in dirty air..."

Dirty air means the air around your car is messed up because you’re following another car. That can make the car feel less stable and harder to drive fast.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

downforce

"because the Toyota's clearly had a lot of downforce built in their"

Downforce is the aerodynamic “push” that presses the tires onto the track. More downforce usually means better grip and more stable handling at speed.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Brand

Toyota

"I don't think that they talked about that a whole lot on the broadcast because the Toyota's clearly had a lot of downforce built in their"

Toyota is the car brand mentioned here. The host is saying Toyota’s race cars seemed to have strong aerodynamic grip for this event.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

straight line speed

"You get the Toyota's heads or bet towards downforce. You had the Ford's in the 22 and the 12 front row. Those guys heads or bets towards straight line speed."

Straight-line speed is how quickly the car can accelerate and keep going on the straight parts of the track. It’s a tradeoff with how well the car sticks in the turns.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Brand

Ford

"You get the Toyota's heads or bet towards downforce. You had the Ford's in the 22 and the 12 front row. Those guys heads or bets towards straight line speed."

Ford is a car brand that competes in NASCAR. Here, the speaker is saying Ford teams were aiming more for speed on the straights than for extra corner grip.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Brand

Chevrolets

"And clearly both of them found their way towards me. Chevrolet's were fast too. And host of ours leading that thing on the white flag."

Chevrolet is another NASCAR brand. The speaker is saying the Chevrolet cars were quick too, not just the Toyota or Ford cars.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

white flag

"Chevrolet's were fast too. And host of ours leading that thing on the white flag. He's got a really good knack for that place."

The white flag means there’s one lap left in the race. Everyone tightens up their strategy because the next lap decides the finish.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

turbulent air

"He like that place rewards aggressiveness because the car never drives good because all the air is so turbulent. So that's what he is exceptional at is like manipulating the car and traffic, putting himself in a little bit of a better spot than other guys."

Turbulent air is messy airflow caused by other cars. It can make your car feel less stable and reduce grip, especially when you’re close to someone.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

traffic

"So that's what he is exceptional at is like manipulating the car and traffic, putting himself in a little bit of a better spot than other guys."

In NASCAR, “traffic” usually means slower cars you have to work around while you’re trying to race. How you pass them can make you gain or lose position.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

wrapping the line

"He was wrapping the line like old school Atlanta. Do you see that? Yeah, especially the three and four."

“Wrapping the line” means driving the best path through the turns instead of drifting wide. It helps you keep speed and set up the next part of the lap.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

three and four

"He was wrapping the line like old school Atlanta. Do you see that? Yeah, especially the three and four."

“Three and four” are the last two turns on the lap. How you exit them affects how fast you can go on the straight right after.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

numb shove off the bottom

"It's easy to get that real like numb shove off the bottom if you don't lift the right spot."

This is about how the car feels when you drive low in the turn and then try to accelerate out. If you don’t time lifting correctly, the car can feel like it suddenly pushes or doesn’t respond smoothly.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Person

Kevin Harvick

"And he was just wrapping like Kevin Harvick style around the bottom. Found a lot of juice there."

Kevin Harvick is a famous NASCAR driver. The host is comparing the way the car was being driven to Harvick’s style—aggressive and effective on corner exits.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

cup races

"inevitably probably about 65% of my workload got taken away because cup is just so much more like I love the O'Reilly series. I love practice and Saturdays, but there's just another level of like preparation for cup races that you have to put in"

“Cup races” means the top NASCAR series. Drivers usually have to prepare more because the races are tougher and the competition is higher.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Brand

O'Reilly series

"because cup is just so much more like I love the O'Reilly series. I love practice and Saturdays, but there's just another level of like preparation for cup races"

O’Reilly is a sponsor name used in NASCAR series branding. The host is saying the Cup level is a step up in how much preparation it takes.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Company

Hendrick Motorsports

"when you when you have the resources like a Hendrick Motorsports or like a team Penske, you feel like you're letting everybody down if you're not winning."

Hendrick Motorsports is a major NASCAR racing team. Corey is saying that when a team has a lot of resources, the pressure to win can feel even heavier.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Company

Team Penske

"when you when you have the resources like a Hendrick Motorsports or like a team Penske, you feel like you're letting everybody down if you're not winning."

Team Penske is another big, high-level NASCAR team. Corey is comparing it to Hendrick to explain that top teams come with intense expectations to win.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

tier one and a half team

"not often is a call it a not a tier one and a half team like Spire is now in conjunction with with Hendrick and Chevy is as fast as they are."

In racing talk, people use “tiers” to mean how competitive teams are. Corey is saying Spire is now closer to the very top teams than it used to be.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

Spire

"not a tier one and a half team like Spire is now in conjunction with with Hendrick and Chevy is as fast as they are."

Spire is a NASCAR racing team. Corey is saying Spire is getting stronger because of partnerships that help it compete with the fastest teams.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

Chevy

"Spire is now in conjunction with with Hendrick and Chevy is as fast as they are. And that's what this cars opened up."

“Chevy” means Chevrolet. In NASCAR, manufacturer support can affect how competitive a team is, and Corey is saying that’s part of why Spire is running well.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Car

Dodge Ram

"...ur fire suit. You know, we got it. We got to show Ram off because you know, Ram Rams who we is. So we d..."

A Dodge Ram is a large pickup truck. It’s made for carrying things and towing, and it can also be used like a normal truck for daily driving. The podcast may mention it because it’s a brand the team wants to highlight.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

tire advantage

"The way it all worked out, we'd have finished probably fourth because we were on a tire advantage. And then we had a mechanical oversight issue"

It means their tires were in better shape than the other cars'. When tires are newer, they usually grip the road better, so the car can go faster and handle better.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

mechanical oversight issue

"we'd have finished probably fourth because we were on a tire advantage. And then we had a mechanical oversight issue that didn't allow my truck to proceed forward anymore."

In racing, a mechanical issue is a problem with the car’s hardware (like drivetrain, cooling, or electronics) that prevents normal operation. The phrase “oversight” suggests the team may have missed or mismanaged something in setup, inspection, or procedure, leading to the failure.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

Sim

"So that's the hard part. It's like, man, we've got no SIM. We have no notes on trucks."

SIM is short for a racing computer simulator. Teams use it to practice and plan how the car should be set up for a track, without having to test in real time.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Place

Lime Rock

"That place is, so Lime Rock, it's cool, man. I got to give a shout out to that group."

Lime Rock is a race track in Connecticut. It’s known for lots of tight turns, so getting the car set up right matters a lot for speed and control.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Person

Parker Kligerman

"I got to give a shout out to that group. I think Parker Kligerman has some sort of ownership stake there."

Parker Kligerman is a professional race car driver. Here, they mention he has some ownership involvement connected to the Lime Rock track.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

third gear ratio

"And we didn't have the right third gear ratio. We didn't have the right second gear ratio."

Gear ratio is how the car’s gearing is set up to match the engine to the wheels. The “right” ratios help the engine stay in the best RPM range so the car accelerates better out of corners.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

second gear ratio

"We didn't have the right third gear ratio. We didn't have the right second gear ratio."

Second gear ratio is the gearing setting that affects how the car pulls when you’re going slower and exiting tight turns. If it’s not right, the car can feel like it’s not accelerating where it should.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

salvage day

"but we had a, we had a salvage day. That's like the sixth race in a row."

A salvage day means the race didn’t go the way they wanted, so they’re just trying to make the best of it. Instead of a great finish, they focus on limiting the damage and getting through.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Person

Thomas Inuziato

"Shout out to who Thomas Inuziato won that. And then he caught me in finger. Yeah, finger got the, got the dub on in the truck race."

Thomas Inuziato is a race driver. They’re saying he won a race, and then there was an incident involving him afterward.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

smoke inhalation

"Did Inuziato, did he go to hospital or something? I think it was smoke inhalation. He swallowed some fire."

Smoke inhalation means someone breathed in smoke, usually from a fire. It can be dangerous because it irritates the lungs and airways.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

practice

"So NASCAR, go back to some practice for Atlanta. I think it would make, uh, I think it would make the, the racing product no different."

Practice is when NASCAR teams run the car before qualifying and the race. They use it to learn how the car feels and make adjustments so they’re not guessing on race day.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

fuel tax

"Uh, the fuel tax was weird to kind of see where people are coming out, who took two, who took four. If you took two or you did a quick pit stop early, it means you had to take a longer pit stop later, uh, to get all your fuel in the car."

“Fuel tax” is NASCAR slang for the tradeoff teams pay when they choose how much fuel to add and when to pit. If you don’t put enough fuel in early, you usually have to stop longer later to finish the race.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

pit stop

"Uh, the fuel tax was weird to kind of see where people are coming out, who took two, who took four. If you took two or you did a quick pit stop early, it means you had to take a longer pit stop later, uh, to get all your fuel in the car."

A pit stop is when the race car comes into the pits during the race for service, usually fuel and sometimes tires. Teams time pit stops so they don’t run out of fuel and don’t fall too far behind.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Place

Wilkesboro

"Going to Wilkesboro this weekend. What's pit road going to be like?"

Wilkesboro is a NASCAR track in North Carolina. The pit road layout is unusual, with a curve and big pit spots, which changes how cars enter and how easy it is to see what others are doing.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Place

Martinsville

"Um, big pit boxes. It's just funky. It's a little bit like Martinsville. See, we haven't ever been there other than the All-Star race where half the field is in the race."

Martinsville is another NASCAR short track. The host is saying Wilkesboro feels a bit like it—busy and tricky when cars are moving around near the pits.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

jump line penalty

"it's going to be easy to get a jump line penalty. That's what I foresee. The pitbox are big and"

On pit road there’s a line you’re supposed to wait at. If you cross it too early, you can get penalized because it helps you leave the pits faster than others.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

pit box

"That's what I foresee. The pitbox are big and there's some room, but you're going to be on top of each other, especially if you don't get a lot of laps."

A pit box is the specific parking spot on pit road for a race team during stops. It’s like a designated lane/stall where the car pulls in to get serviced.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

modified

"Oh, Riley's is off this week. So I was like, man, if I don't have to do the cup race, I don't want to do the truck race. I'm going to go race my modified at Bowman Gray."

A “modified” is a type of race car class used on short tracks. Corey is saying he races that kind of car at Bowman Gray.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Place

Bowman Gray

"I'm going to go race my modified at Bowman Gray. Night of Destruction. If you're in the area, they got the Night of Destruction at Bowman Gray this weekend."

Bowman Gray is a famous short-track racing venue. It’s known for being intense and close-quarters, so events there tend to be loud and action-packed.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Topic

Night of Destruction

"I'm going to go race my modified at Bowman Gray. Night of Destruction. If you're in the area, they got the Night of Destruction at Bowman Gray this weekend. They've got monster trucks, Demo Derby, Twin 25."

“Night of Destruction” is a special event weekend at Bowman Gray. It’s not just one race—there are other car-and-truck events like monster trucks and a demolition derby.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Car

Volkswagen Derby

"...ay this weekend. They've got monster trucks, Demo Derby, Twin 25. So the modified has got a new sponsor. ..."

A Volkswagen Derby is a Volkswagen car that’s been set up for a demolition derby event. In these events, cars are modified to survive impact as long as possible while competing. The podcast mentions it because it’s part of the racing weekend and sponsorship activity.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

transponders

"They got transponders out there now too. No way. Transponders a little bit of drama this week. It's not just like people just like, Hey, I think Tim's going to be on the polls."

Transponders are small electronic tags on the race car that help the track measure timing. They’re used so everyone gets the same, official speed/lap data instead of guessing.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

poll

"Transponders a little bit of drama this week. It's not just like people just like, Hey, I think Tim's going to be on the polls. Yeah, I think, you know, old John Boyce is going to be on the polls."

“The polls” means the pole position, which is the best starting spot at the front of the race. Corey is saying people expect certain drivers to qualify first.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Car

Hyundai Accent

"...it. I didn't like it. You don't like his New York accent? No, I think Eric Brennan's phenomenal job. And I..."

The Hyundai Accent is a small, inexpensive car meant for everyday driving. It’s typically chosen for being practical and affordable to run. The podcast likely brings it up because the name “Accent” matches the conversation topic.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

carbon shop

"Oh yeah. And I think too that you have, especially with this carbon shop, right? Because that's been where a lot of my focus and a lot of my money is being spent these days."

A “carbon shop” is a place where the team works on carbon-fiber parts. Carbon fiber is a lightweight material, so teams use it to try to make the race car faster and more responsive.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Car

Kia Stinger

"...mily as in Crustple because it's round, but honey stingers. Oh yeah. I've been on the honey stingers or the ..."

The Kia Stinger is a sporty car with a sedan body style. It’s designed to feel quick and fun to drive, not just to get you from place to place. The podcast mentions it because of the car’s name and reputation as a performance-oriented model.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Place

Goodwood Festival Speed

"This is my favorite part of the show because there's some cool stuff in the automobile world happening. Goodwood Festival. Just a lot of guys driving expensive cars up a long driveway to some guys castle here."

The Goodwood Festival of Speed is a big car event in the UK. People bring impressive cars and drivers, and they show them off by running them up a hill.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Car

Toyota Supra

"This is my favorite part of the show because there's some cool stuff in the automobile world happening. Goodwood Festival... What do we got? What is this? Toyota Supra? Supra? Carbon? Buddy with a V10."

The Toyota Supra is a famous sports car from Toyota that’s known for being fast and fun to drive. Here, they’re talking about a Supra that shows up at a car event and looks especially wild because of its styling and aero.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

wing

"Okay, the wing on that thing, dude. Ryan Turk. Oh, it is Turk. Okay... You probably have to lift to not pull the front tires off the ground with that wing on the back."

A wing on a car is an aerodynamic spoiler. Its job is to push the car’s tires down onto the road so it grips better, especially at higher speeds.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

V10

"What do we got? What is this? Toyota Supra? Supra? Carbon? Buddy with a V10. Listen to this thing."

A V10 is an engine with 10 cylinders. The “V” shape helps it fit in a compact layout, and engines like this are often built to rev high and make a lot of power.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Person

Ryan Turk

"Okay, the wing on that thing, dude. Ryan Turk. [2705.1s] Oh, it is Turk. Okay."

Ryan Turk is a race driver who’s known for drifting. In this clip, they’re saying he was the one driving the car they’re talking about.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

Formula Drift

"So Ryan Turk, he's drift guy. He's a Formula Drift guy. Yeah, Ryan Turk is one of the best."

Formula Drift is a racing series focused on drifting—basically sliding the car around corners in a controlled way. Drivers are judged on how well they keep the slide going and how smoothly they do it.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

lead lap finish

"I think he finished 28th, but lead lap finish, not torn up, finish all the laps."

In NASCAR, a “lead lap finish” means the car finished on the same lap as the race leader. It usually indicates the car ran well and didn’t fall too far behind.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

rain delay

"I saw him in a really bad spot on a restart after the rain delay. It was, he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa."

A “rain delay” is when the race stops because of rain. When it starts again, the track can be different, so drivers may have to adjust their driving and tire grip.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Place

Port Royal Speedway

"So they come to the checkered right here. Port Royal Speedway. Right hooks them."

Port Royal Speedway is a NASCAR-related oval track in Pennsylvania where short-track racing can produce tight, high-contact racing. Restart timing and restart positioning matter a lot there, which is why incidents on restarts get discussed heavily.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

right rear hook

"You can't right rear hook somebody after the race is over. Oh, yes."

A “right rear hook” is when one car clips another car’s back-right corner. That can upset the car’s handling and make it hard to drive straight.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Car

Buick Grand National

"Just something about seeing a Buick Grand National. Is that a 85 maybe? That thing's sick."

The Buick Grand National is a classic American car from the 1980s that’s known for having a turbocharged engine. It can make a lot of power, so people get excited when they see one—especially if it’s being driven hard.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

550 blade

"That's a big 550 blade on the back of that thing, but big power. So a lot of downforce."

A “550 blade” is a type/size of rear wing piece. The wing helps push the car down for better grip in corners, but it can also make the car less free on top speed.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Car

McLaren hypercar

"One of the coolest things though, too, is I've been interested in this McLaren hypercar program since it since they dropped it last year. They've been working on it."

McLaren is building a very expensive, very high-performance race car for long-distance endurance events. They’re showing it off by letting a top driver drive it, and the point is to prove it can handle racing conditions for a long time.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

WEC car

"They've been developing this WEC car world endurance championship. And this was the essentially the unveil of McLaren's hypercar"

WEC is a long-distance racing series. The cars are designed to keep running strongly for a long time, not just for a few laps.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Person

Lando Norris

"And this was the essentially the unveil of McLaren's hypercar and none other than Lando Norris letting the thing eat."

Lando Norris is a top Formula 1 race driver. In this clip, he’s the one driving the new McLaren hypercar to show what it can do.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Person

Liam Lawson

"And then you got his fellow fellow competitor, Liam Lawson, also driving it good. Well, let's see what he's driving."

Liam Lawson is a professional race driver. The hosts are saying he’s also driving one of these high-end cars, not just the F1 guys.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

Legend car

"So this is a car for these. Well, is this a legend car? I think it's in Australia. So he hits if you roll back a little bit, roll back."

“Legend car” sounds like a special, showy race car category. The host is saying it’s basically the same underlying car concept, but with a different body style.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
Term

curb

"So this is a car for these. Well, is this a legend car? I think it's in Australia. So he hits if you roll back a little bit, roll back. He hits the curb and the body like the body digs into the asphalt."

A curb is the raised edge at the side of the track. If a car hits it, it can bounce or lose grip, so it’s a big deal in racing.

Sign in to suggest edits or report issues
6 cars featured

Request an Explanation

Heard something you'd like explained? We'll add it to this episode.

Sign in to request explanations for terms you heard.

Want to learn more?

Browse our glossary for plain-English explanations of automotive terms, jargon, and concepts.

Explore Terms

Help improve this episode

See something that's not quite right? Our annotations are AI-generated and can sometimes miss the mark. Click the flag icon on any annotation to suggest a correction.

Report incorrect info
Suggest better explanations
Flag missing cars