Ben VanEperen & Zach Raddatz of No Coast Custom & Rod Shop
Oil and Whiskey with Roadster Shop · May 4, 2026
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Brand
Custom with a K
In custom-car circles, spelling “Custom” with a K can be a way to signal a certain style or community. The hosts are debating whether that spelling choice is meaningful or just a branding gimmick.
Concept
lead sleds
“Lead sleds” are big, heavy classic cars that people modify for a custom look—usually with a lowered stance. The term is slang for how heavy those cars feel.
Concept
bombs
“Bombs” is slang in car culture for a certain kind of modified car—usually one that looks low and mean. In this conversation it’s being used as a style label, not a specific make or model.
Brand
Barris Customs
This is a reference to George Barris, a famous custom-car builder. The hosts are joking about whether his shop helped popularize the “Custom” spelling with a K.
Brand
Eric Black
They mention Eric Black as a person who might know the history behind the custom-car spelling joke. It’s a nod to a community insider rather than a technical car detail.
Topic
YouTube comments
They’re talking about mean comments people leave online. It’s not about car tech—just how they deal with criticism.
Topic
SEMA
SEMA is a big car show in the U.S. where custom shops and aftermarket companies show off new builds and parts. People go there to see what’s coming next in the car world.
Concept
bare metal
“Bare metal” means the car’s body is stripped down to exposed metal, usually before paint and finishing. It’s commonly seen during restoration or custom-build stages when prep and fabrication are still in progress.
Topic
Grand National
“Grand National” is a name people use for certain big events in racing or car shows. In this clip, they’re saying the project was shown there before it was finished.
Car
Buick Grand National
The Buick Grand National is a performance version of a Buick. The podcast is talking about one being prepared for a major car show, including being shown in a bare-metal or unfinished stage.
Term
primer
Primer is the first layer of paint you put on a car before the final color. It helps the paint stick better and protects the metal underneath.
Term
underside
The underside is the bottom part of the car. Builders often clean and coat it so it looks good and helps protect against rust.
Term
engine bay
The engine bay is the space under the hood where the engine lives. People paint it too because it looks clean when you open the hood.
Term
jack stands
Jack stands are the stands that keep a car safely lifted while someone works underneath. They’re important for safety so the car can’t fall.
Term
solvent pop
“Solvent pop” is when fresh paint develops tiny bubbles or pinholes while it’s drying. It usually means something in the paint process (like trapped solvent or contamination) didn’t let the coating cure smoothly.
Term
fish eyes
“Fish eyes” are little craters or spots where the paint doesn’t lay down evenly. Usually it happens because something on the surface (like grease, wax, or silicone) prevents the paint from sticking.
Term
paint booth
A “paint booth” is a special room where cars are painted. It’s designed to control airflow and keep dust and conditions from messing up the paint job.
Concept
chemtrails
“Chemtrails” is a claim some people make about planes spraying chemicals in the sky. Here it’s mentioned as a joke or exaggeration, not as something that actually explains paint issues.
Term
humidity
Humidity is how much moisture is in the air. In a paint shop, too much humidity can make paint dry differently and can lead to problems like bubbling or poor finish.
Term
pressure drop
Pressure drop is how air pressure changes as air flows through equipment like filters or ducts. In a paint shop, it matters because it affects airflow and how well the air stays clean.
Topic
wheel hub thing
They’re talking about something they did before involving the wheel hub. That’s the part that helps the wheel spin and connects the wheel to the car, so it’s usually part of a repair or an upgrade.
Company
Street Scene
They’re talking about Street Scene as a company that made aftermarket body parts. Think of it as a brand that sells things like bumpers and grilles to change how a truck looks.
Company
APC
APC is being mentioned like a brand that made popular add-on parts for customizing trucks. The hosts are comparing it to other companies that advertised a lot in magazines.
Company
Belltech
Belltech is a company that makes aftermarket parts for trucks, especially suspension parts that lower the ride height. The hosts are basically saying Belltech’s ads were the most memorable.
Concept
engine swaps
An engine swap means replacing the engine in a car with a different engine. People do it to get more power or to build a project, but it’s a lot of work because you have to make the new engine fit and run correctly.
Company
Kawasaki
Kawasaki is a big company that makes a lot of industrial stuff. Here, it’s just where the speaker worked before getting into custom car work.
Part
roll bars
Roll bars are safety bars that help protect you if the car tips over. They can also make the car feel more solid by strengthening the body.
Part
A-arms
A-arms are parts of the suspension that hold the wheel in place. They let the wheel move up and down while keeping it pointed the right way.
Term
plasma cutter
A plasma cutter is a tool that cuts metal using a super-hot jet of gas. It makes a sharp, slicing sound when it goes through the material.
Topic
auto body
Auto body is the work of fixing the outside of a car after it gets damaged, like dents or crash damage. After the body is repaired, the car usually gets painted.
Topic
body and paint program
A body and paint program is school training for fixing crash damage and then painting the car. You learn how to prep the surface and apply paint so it looks right.
Topic
welding
Welding is how you attach metal pieces together by heating them until they fuse. In car repair, it’s used when parts of the metal frame or panels need to be replaced or fixed.
Concept
body program
A “body program” is training for fixing and preparing the car’s body. Before paint can look good, the panels have to be repaired and prepped properly.
Concept
collision center
A collision center is a repair shop for cars that were in accidents. They fix damaged parts and then repaint so the car looks right again.
Concept
painter
A painter in a car shop prepares the car and applies the paint so it looks right and lasts. It’s more than just brushing on color—there’s a lot of prep and careful technique.
Term
paint scale
In a body shop, a “paint scale” is basically a color-matching guide. It helps the painter figure out what paint mix to use so the new paint looks like it belongs on the car.
Term
seal
“Seal” means putting a protective layer on the car before painting. If you don’t seal it properly, the paint can fail or the repair can get messed up again.
Term
gun metal gray
“Gun metal gray” is just a particular shade of gray paint that looks like metal. Painters use it to describe the exact look they’re trying to match on a car.
Topic
hot rod shop
A hot rod shop is where people work on modified cars—usually older ones—to make them look cooler and drive better. It’s more about customizing than just fixing accident damage.
Concept
the car's got to go out the door
“Out the door” just means the car is finished and ready to be picked up. The shop has to keep things moving so work doesn’t get stuck.
Concept
prep and clean the cars
Before a car gets painted, the shop has to clean and prep the surface. That way the paint sticks correctly and doesn’t peel or look bumpy.
Term
buffed
Buffing is polishing the car’s paint to make it smooth and shiny. It helps remove small flaws so the finish looks better.
Term
paint school
Paint school is training where painters learn how to apply paint correctly. It’s usually about practicing the right steps and technique so the results are consistent.
Term
the gun
Here, “the gun” means the tool that sprays paint onto the car. One person handles the paint supply while the painter focuses on spraying evenly.
Term
blown
“Blown” is slang for an engine that’s been boosted with a supercharger. That kind of engine makes more power, and people often use the word when talking about hot-rod builds and the classic look.
Term
single stage
Single-stage paint means the paint does both the color and the shiny top layer in one go. It’s different from newer systems where you spray color first and then add a clear shiny coat.
Brand
PPG
PPG is a well-known brand of car paint. They’re saying they used a specific kind of paint system from PPG for the job.
Term
hot rod industry
The hot rod industry refers to the culture and trade of modifying older cars for performance, style, and craftsmanship—often with custom fabrication and paint. The speaker contrasts it with collision work, implying different skills, goals, and workflows.
Term
metal fab
Metal fab means making and shaping metal parts—usually by cutting, fitting, and welding. It’s how custom parts get built in many car projects.
Topic
pancake the roof
“Pancake the roof” is a rough way of saying the roof gets crushed flat. In a shop context, it usually means they’re tearing it down or reshaping it for a build.
Term
wheel tubs
Wheel tubs are modified inner fender panels that make more space for the tires. People do this when they install wider wheels or want the tire to fit without rubbing.
Term
pole max
A “pole max” is a tool system collision shops use to measure and pull a car’s body back into the right shape. It helps make sure the frame and panels line up correctly after damage.
Topic
car lot jobs
“Car lot jobs” means work done for car dealerships to help cars get ready to be sold. It’s the kind of shop work that keeps the business running when things are slow.
Topic
enterprise rental car account
This means the shop was doing repair work for a rental company’s fleet. Rental cars get damaged and need fixing, so the shop had regular work.
Term
bumper jobs
“Bumper jobs” are repairs where the bumper is damaged and needs fixing. It’s usually more straightforward than bigger body repairs.
Term
roofs
“Roofs” means repairing damage to the top of the car. Roof repairs are often harder than bumper fixes because the roof has to fit correctly and seal up properly.
Concept
turn and burn
“Turn and burn” means they worked fast and tried to finish jobs quickly. The goal was to keep the shop moving so they could handle lots of cars.
Concept
enterprise rental cars
They’re talking about rental cars from a rental company. When those cars get damaged, repair shops get work to fix them so they can be rented again.
Concept
collision background
“Collision background” just means they’ve worked on cars after accidents. They’re used to fixing body damage and getting cars back together, which can help when doing custom projects.
Concept
build high-rots and custom cars
They’re basically saying they moved from selling a few cars at a time to building “hot rods,” which are cars that have been modified for a custom look and feel.
Concept
build me a riddler
A “Riddler” is a famous award for custom cars. The point is that most people won’t just walk in and ask for an award-winning build unless the shop is already known for that level of work.
Concept
1,500 square foot building
They’re talking about how small the shop space is. The smaller the building, the harder it is to fit all the work and keep cars and parts organized.
Topic
paint and body
“Paint and body” means fixing the outside of the car and then painting it. It’s the part of the restoration that deals with dents, panel fitment, and the final paint job.
Topic
full build
A “full build” usually means the project grew into a bigger, more complete car makeover. Here, it started as paint and body work, but it ended up becoming a whole build with mechanical work handled by the owner.
Car
69 AMX
They mean a 1969 AMX, which is a classic muscle car made by American Motors. They’re describing how they had to build it quickly.
Part
sheet metal
Sheet metal is the car’s outer metal body panels. If a car was damaged, the shop may replace or reshape these panels before painting.
Term
body paint
Body paint is the process of painting the car’s outside so it looks right again. It usually takes careful prep and time to cure, which is why deadlines matter.
Brand
Bruno Masal
The hosts mention Bruno Masal as someone connected to the car work they’re talking about.
Concept
wet sand and buff
It’s a way to fix scratches and dull spots in a car’s paint. They sand the paint very gently with water, then polish it so it looks shiny again.
Brand
Mike Phillips
Mike Phillips is brought up as the experienced person helping with the paint work. The point is that someone knowledgeable had to show the process step-by-step.
Term
body line
A body line is a shaped crease in the car’s body. Good paint finishing makes the light reflect along that crease so it stands out.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
They’re talking about a 1969 Chevrolet Camaro. It’s a classic muscle car from that year, and they’re currently working on it.
Car
Chevrolet C10
The Chevrolet C10 is a classic pickup truck. People like them because they’re easy to work on and can be restored or modified for different uses.
Term
labor rate
A “labor rate” is what a shop charges for the time spent doing the work. They’re using their hourly rate to estimate how much the project work would cost.
Concept
redoing everything
“Redoing everything” means they didn’t just fix one thing—they basically rebuilt the truck’s setup and appearance from the ground up. That’s why the project can get very expensive.
Term
facing the bolts
“Facing the bolts” means they modify/finish the bolt heads so they look neat and uniform. It’s the kind of detail work you do when you want the build to look high-end.
Term
seracoding
“Seracoding” is a coating process that puts a protective finish on metal parts. They’re using it on the hardware so it looks right and resists rust.
Term
everything black
“Everything black” means the owner wanted the whole truck to have a consistent black look. That affects what gets painted or coated and how details like bolts are finished.
Term
flush glass
“Flush glass” just means the windshield is mounted so it sits nearly even with the car’s body. It’s often done for a cleaner look and to help reduce wind noise.
Term
machine vents
“Machine vents” are vents that are made very precisely, usually for a specific purpose. If they’re functional, they actually let air move through the car instead of being only for looks.
Term
lower valence setup
A valence is a panel near the bottom of the bumper area. When someone says “lower valence setup,” they mean the car has a specific fitted design there to help with airflow and cooling (and sometimes just the look).
Term
intake
The intake is the route air takes to get into the engine. How it’s shaped and built can change how the engine performs.
Term
3D scanner
A 3D scanner is a tool that measures an object and creates a digital copy of its shape. That makes it easier to design new parts that line up correctly.
Term
welded together
They’re joining the intake parts by welding. That helps make the intake solid and sealed so air can flow where it’s supposed to.
Concept
one-off things
“One-off things” implies custom, non-standard work—unique fabrication or bespoke modifications that aren’t repeatable like a common repair. In a shop context, that kind of work usually takes more time, planning, and skilled labor.
Term
door and quarter
“Door and quarter” refers to body panels on a car: the door skin and the quarter panel (the rear side panel behind the door). Collision repair often involves removing, repairing, or replacing these panels to restore the car’s shape and alignment.
Term
frame needs to be pulled
They’re saying the car’s main structure got bent in the crash. Fixing that usually requires special equipment to pull the frame back into the correct shape.
Car
Cadillac CT6
The Cadillac CT6 is a luxury sedan, meaning it’s meant to feel more upscale and comfortable than a typical car. The podcast is referring to the time right after it was newly released.
Term
rollback
A rollback is a tow truck with a platform that lowers to the ground. It’s used to load and move cars that need to be transported.
Part
skirts
“Skirts” here are side panels along the bottom of the car. The shop had to shape aluminum pieces by hand, attach them, and paint them so the vehicle matched the customer’s needs.
Part
diffuser
A diffuser is a part under the back of the car that helps air move the right way. It can make the car look more performance-oriented, and it can also help with aerodynamics.
Part
valance
A valance is a decorative panel on the bumper area. People add it to make the car look more custom, and sometimes it also helps the airflow around the car.
Part
body kit
A body kit is a collection of exterior parts that change how a car looks. It often includes pieces like bumpers and side panels, and it’s usually sold as a package.
Concept
fabbing
“Fabbing” means making parts by hand or building them from materials. In this case, they’re creating custom pieces out of aluminum so the car can be truly one-of-a-kind.
Car
Mercedes SUV
They started with a Mercedes-Benz SUV and used it as the platform for the project. Then they changed the inside so there was more room for the people in the back.
Concept
means to an end
They mean the work is mainly a stepping stone. The goal is to get to something bigger, not just do the job for its own sake.
Concept
hot rod builder
A “hot rod builder” is a person who custom-builds or modifies cars—often older or stripped-down platforms—to make them faster, more stylish, or more personal. The hosts are talking about the mindset/ego of wanting to reach the top tier in that craft.
Concept
comebacks
“Comebacks” are when a job has to be fixed again after the customer already got it back. It usually means there was a problem with the repair or finish.
Part
bumper cover
A bumper cover is the outer “skin” on the front or back bumper. If it gets scratched or damaged, shops can replace it and paint it to match.
Term
dash lights
Those are the warning lights on the instrument panel. If a bunch of them turn on together, it usually means the car is detecting some kind of problem in its systems.
LIVE
You started a shop because you're passionate about it or were you just not employable?
Because it's kind of soundless.
You guys have built some pretty cool stuff. No coast, custom and rod shop.
Welcome everybody back. Another episode of Oil and Whiskey.
This week in studio, in person, all the way from the middle of the earth, middle of USA,
Nebraska and Kansas is the same.
I know you all hate each other, but let's face it.
If you blindfolded me, you took me to the other state and asked me where I was at.
You'd never know.
No, you'd never know. But it's technically Kansas. Nebraska. Which one?
Nebraska.
I was pretty close too.
Yeah.
Not a lot going for it either.
Hence the name No Coast.
Middle of nowhere.
Yeah.
Ben and Zach.
Clever name.
Me not thinking straight today.
You gonna tell the truth?
I'm like, where are those guys from?
They West County guys.
Josh, the name is No Coast.
Didn't even think about it.
Clever.
That actually came.
We were doing work for a guy and he was paying me and he goes, No Coast, right?
No.
But I really liked that name.
He looked it up and nobody had used it.
So that's what we went with.
It's good.
It is good.
It's clever.
I mean, there's no K in it, right?
No.
It's Coast with a C.
You can go right into No Cost.
Yeah.
We get that one a lot.
No cost.
No cost.
No, this is a really good one.
We like the name No Coast and it's also Custom and Rod Shop.
Spelled correctly.
So No Coast, Custom and Rod Shop, it lays it all out there.
There's not any...
Makes for a long email, but...
Yeah, but it says the things it needs to say and worded correctly.
I don't know if you've caught some of our previous episodes.
We have some things that rub us the wrong way.
I'm making a ton of friends, I guess, with some of those comments.
Look, it's all in your humor.
I look at it because when you spell Custom with a K, you are segmenting yourself to a certain type of built.
And you can be Custom with a K if you build Customs with a K.
If you build lead sleds and bombs and custom car culture type of built.
Don't do it because the K looks cooler than a C.
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Just to make it custom, fast.
Who did that in the first place? Was it Barris, I guess?
I don't know where it came from.
That's a good question.
It must have been, probably.
Was he Customs with a K?
Oh, definitely.
Barris Customs.
Maybe Barris was the first.
That's a really good question.
I don't know.
I bet you Eric Black would know, or he would fake like he knew.
You think?
Yeah, he was part of the culture.
Throwing all the shots right in the beginning, huh?
Get him out of the way.
I like Eric a lot.
With friends like these who needs enemies, right?
Of course.
Yeah.
Oh, the enemies are the ones that get on YouTube.
That's the ones that make hurtful comments about you on YouTube, that you're not friends.
All the ones that you're driving videos.
Those are what you consider enemies.
Because they take it a little further than what your friends would.
Yeah, they're more direct shots.
Which ones are actually hurtful?
Oh, shit.
My face really looks like that.
My friends have never told me.
We'll see.
The season is approaching and we're going to start pumping some YouTube comments out there.
Let's get into it.
I'm glad you guys could make it out here.
You guys have built some pretty cool stuff.
I got some teaser images of something that you're building for SEMA.
You had it in bare metal at Grand National, right?
Yep.
We had it in 57.
Yep.
A couple years ago we took it to Grand National.
Probably, I'd say 70% ready.
Based on some of the pictures I've seen where it is now, I don't know if it was that far along.
You've taken it up a couple of notches since Grand National.
Yeah.
We were really worried about taking it out there because that was our first time ever going to that show.
A lot of thoughts like, what the hell are we doing?
Everybody's going to be laughing at us the whole way there.
We were thinking that.
But it went over really well.
Yeah.
That was a great show to go to.
Great show to debut it.
So now we're in final primer.
Got the engine bay painted and everything this last weekend, underside done.
So Chassis is getting assembled.
Hopefully as you speak, right?
Well, yeah.
They're supposed to be assembling it.
Keep your phone handy.
So we can have a question.
Bosses away.
You got a second.
You're not going to believe what happened.
These fucking jack stands, man.
I fucking hate these jack stands.
What happened?
You ever have the, we won't go too far, incriminate anybody.
There's the employee that makes a mistake, that makes mistakes and is upset about it and owns it, you know, and you work through it.
Then there's the employee that makes the mistake and then somehow they get so pissed off about that mistake that it makes it more of a thing.
It's like they're trying to show you how mad they are that it's this thing's fault and it's this thing's fault.
We could just end with, I screwed up.
I'm sorry.
It's a deflection dude.
And that's the thing.
We need to have a meeting about some of this.
So this never happens again.
Have you guys ever had the employee that'll make a mistake and then blame you for the mistake?
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
We had the all time best one ever.
I'm not going to say what happened, but what happened was really bad.
And the thing that would have prevented it from happening was on the final punch list that I had made at the time.
And this is years and years ago when we were in a young company.
And when I brought it up and he was told that he didn't know and I said, well, it's on the fucking punch list dude right here and it's checked off.
You know, those are handwritten.
Like these need to be like typed up or something.
You know, these, we should type these up.
That would have changed it.
Yeah.
Well, at least you learn now they're fucking typed.
So you live and learn.
I thought you were going to go with the Coke machine.
That's still my all time favorite.
The Coke machine was a great one.
And unfortunately that gentleman's no longer with not only us, but, you know, any of us.
Yeah.
Is that because of his behavior?
Is that why that's what he's called?
No.
There were issues that started when we got a new Coke machine and that somehow spread through car fabrication and caused issues.
It was no, it was pain.
It was the pain process.
Because of the Coke machine.
We were having, I'm sure everybody's battled this before, you know, you get something happens, you get a solvent pop, you get some fish eyes trying to figure out what happened.
And, you know, I hate to be a conspiracy theorist.
But I'm just going to say it.
I'm just going to say it.
You know, as soon as we got that fucking Coke machine, ever since that damn Coke machine's been here, all of a sudden, I mean, all of a sudden, everything's gone to shit.
Like, dude, the Coke machine's in the lunchroom on the other end of the fucking shop.
And just to explain, I'd love to hear the rationale behind how that affected anything in the paint booth.
Well, the grease for the mechanisms, I mean.
Oh, you're so wrong.
Yeah.
The Coke itself.
I mean, have you seen what it does to Mentos?
It's hard to believe that we can even paint a car in this facility.
Fish eye or solvent pop.
And the issues I've heard over 25 years of where, I mean, it blame it on the chemtrails to the new factory that's 25 miles down the road to him.
Never could it be, you know, a processor and application issue.
And there's never a time of, you know, a stack up or it's got to be.
Yeah.
And the funny thing is the that level of person to sometimes you question, you're happy that they made it to work, right?
Based on some of the things that they other life choices that they make and drive and stuff.
But when it comes to diving into the technological and mechanical, I mean, chemical properties of what could have gone wrong in a lab.
Bill Nye, the science guy.
Yeah.
It's like, well, I actually looked at this, you know, in the Farmer's Almanac says, you know, that we're going to have a higher than standard humidity.
And the last time 17 years ago when we did this, it was actually 36 degrees.
It makes perfect sense.
You look at that in coefficient with the pressure drop, you cross that out with the, you know, just the general shop air.
Yeah.
Dude, your fly is open, right?
You are pissing yourself right now.
I'm sure you've never dealt with anything remotely like that.
So I was a painter, so I was the one coming up with all that.
Let's crack open some bourbon.
Yeah, let's do that.
This party started.
Yeah.
So we, this is actually from Lincoln.
Okay.
So sideshow spirits there.
They distilled their own.
It's called their double barrel.
I've never tried it.
That's good.
A good friend of mine recommended it.
So give her a shot.
Downtown Lincoln is pretty cool.
We stayed there when we did the first wheel hub thing.
Yeah.
Pretty cool little town.
Yeah.
We enjoy it.
A lot of car culture there and, you know, you got Speedway, the museum, everything there.
Yeah.
So as Jeremy's pouring this, how did this all get started?
You guys have been buying chassis from us for a while.
We've been building some cool stuff that we're not sure we're going to get into.
But how did this all happen?
Well, are you guys going to ask my first car or are we going to do it?
It comes at the end.
It comes at the end.
So I got to leave some stuff out.
Okay.
You can dance around it.
Yeah.
Give me that one.
I was rubbing my hand inside.
So we started, well, I started, I mean, I was middle school reading.
Do you guys remember Truckin Magazine?
Oh, yeah.
So I had a subscription to Truckin and, you know, I'm supposed to be doing my school work
and that's in between my book, reading that.
The old days of Truckin was influential on my life in many of ways.
Oh, yeah.
All the good ways.
Do we start with a cheers?
Let's start with a cheers.
We're the proper etiquette here.
Yeah.
Cheers.
Thanks for having us.
Appreciate it.
I went down.
Right.
Oh.
That was back in the day when Truckin was like a fucking encyclopedia.
I'll be a big boy.
People would run like 17-page ads.
Yeah.
Who was the guy that did all the bumpers and grills?
Street scene.
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah, I think APC was another one.
APC had a bunch of street scene trends.
That magazine you should be able to carry you through like a good two and a half hour plane ride.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It was a good concept.
Well, let's all face it.
The Belltech ads were the best.
The Belltech ads always won.
Well, the kidney chicks.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
It was always kind of into trucks and everything.
And then Turn 16 didn't really have a place to work on a car.
So, being a buddy rented some apartment garages through high school.
We were doing engine swaps, working on our own stuff, you know, out of these apartment garages.
Clever approach for a start.
You know, we didn't have anywhere to go.
So we actually ended up getting three in a row and then we took the OSB out of there
so we could walk in between the beams.
So, yeah.
That's clever.
Did that for quite a while actually, probably four years.
Then kind of took a little break from it and was working a manufacturing job.
We have Kawasaki there in Lincoln.
So I worked there as a welder and then did that for a couple of years.
And one day I just, I'll be honest, it felt like prison there.
You'd walk clear to the back of the building and weld for eight hours.
And we had mandatory overtime so Saturdays and I worked second shift.
So always there one day.
You're building anything cool at least?
The mules.
Chassis stuff for like components?
Yeah, components, roll bars, the, yeah, the chassis.
That's the actual manpower welding those, huh?
They'd be robots.
There's some robots.
Pre-robots.
Yeah, there was, there was robots.
So one of the jobs that I did was A-arms.
So robot, you'd assemble it in the robot, work robot, weld it.
And then I think I had like five or six other little things to weld.
And I remember one day welding, you could always hear the sound when the robot would get off.
And it just sounds like a plasma cutter, just slicing it.
And I walked over there and I just hit it with my hammer.
I'm like, oh, that was a mistake.
And then so I flip on my light and a team lead comes over.
He's like, what happened?
I'm like, I don't know.
I just heard this loud bang and then he must have hit the, hit the wall.
He crashed.
Must not have had cameras back then, I guess.
No, they did not.
But yeah, from there, I walked out one day just because I was, I was done with it.
And I was on the wait list for the local community college to go for auto body.
So my father-in-law also works at that college.
There's a two year wait for the body and paint program.
So he got me bumped up and then started school about a week later, I think.
Probably shouldn't say that.
He probably wasn't supposed to bump you up, was he?
Well, I think somebody dropped off.
So yeah, now I don't think there's quite that wait to get into it.
Yeah, the one he bumped got dropped off.
Yeah.
Well, I think we started with like...
Yeah, you haven't heard of him.
That dude's welding hair.
Somebody else dropped off, he's been opening.
Yeah.
So...
What year was this?
That would have been 06, I believe.
Yeah.
So went through the body program.
That was 18 months or so.
Then just kind of trying to figure it out.
I kind of got a job with a local shop, just kind of cash under the table deal,
waiting to get a real job.
Collision center or a custom shop?
He kind of did a little restoration, but he did some collision stuff too.
And at that time, my metalworking skills were not great,
but he was enamored with what I was doing.
I'm like, man, this is dog shit, but okay.
So then from there, I got a job at a collision center and I was a painter.
So I was painting five, six cars a day.
But actually when I started that job, it was kind of funny,
because the technical college, they do a really good job of preparing you,
but I think we maybe painted five cars when I was there.
Yeah.
My first day, there's five cars to paint.
Yeah.
And oh, I royally fucked up the first time.
You know, right out of school, you think you're going to be a painter.
You think you're the big dog.
And they just threw you right in the booth.
Right in there.
There was nobody there to train.
There was no other painter.
And just run the shit out of it.
Yep.
So next day on my, he used to handwrite lists of what to do and not typed.
Yeah.
So those meant nothing.
Yeah.
So, yeah, the next day, prepper.
That was, that was too much.
So I did that for about six months.
And then the other guy was gone and I actually was able to paint some stuff.
And then I was promoted to painter after that.
So what made you go to the trade school to do body work in the first place?
Was it when you're doing welding and stuff, was it I really want to do body work?
Or is it from getting to the custom side or?
So that was, that was the thing that I didn't know anything about, you know, the, you'd
see a paint scale and, you know, four to one, two to one, three, what the hell does this
mean?
So I just didn't have an understanding of what it was.
And I was paying a guy to work on a car that I had.
And I mean, he was just, it kept getting fucked up.
I mean, he didn't use seal or anything.
The car was red and I was trying to paint it like a gun metal gray.
You could see the red through the gray.
And I just thought to myself, like, well, I can fuck it up.
So, so I decided to go to school for body and paint because I thought, you know, then
I can pretty much do anything I need to do.
So turns out I really enjoyed it.
But yeah, so then after working at that, or while I was working at that collision center,
me and a couple buddies rented a little mini shop.
And around the corner from us was a hot rod shop.
There'd always be cool stuff out there.
And so I'd drive by that every day.
So basically after work, I'd get done at five.
I'd go work in the little mini shop doing side jobs or working on my own car or whatever.
And then one day I just decided to reach out and the paint rep was the paint rep or both
of us.
So we he got us hooked up together.
And I don't know, something just didn't jive at that point.
I think he had hired somebody else.
So just kind of passed.
So I just continued to work at the collision shop.
And then I'd say it was probably about a year later.
I ended up losing my job there.
And it worked out that other guy.
What were you doing again?
What would you get fired for?
Farting around.
Farting around?
So he...
I just heard the stories the other day.
Was that on the official write-up?
Or was that just verbal?
It was a verbal.
And I mean, you guys have had collision shops.
You don't fire your only painter.
Yeah, you usually want to have somebody kind of ready to roll.
The car's got to go out the door.
So I think it was one of those deals like he wanted me to beg.
And I'm like, okay, fine. See ya.
But no, the deal was, so as a painter we were doing,
we'd do prep and clean the cars.
We buffed every single car.
So every day in the morning you get there at 7.30.
And I had three cars to rub out and buff.
And then prep the other ones and paint and do all that.
Coming out of like paint school,
they told you you just sit there with your hand.
Somebody puts the gun in with the paint in.
And you just go back and forth, right?
I think you guys touched on that on one of them.
You know, there's a guy waiting for you with a cup ready.
Yeah, fireworks go off when you enter the booth.
Yeah, somebody with a little fan.
Yeah, slam the gun down when you're done and walk out.
And there's people to handle everything else.
So, yeah, it was a Friday.
We washed the floor down every day.
So I had washed the whole back shop,
cleaned up the three of the cars that were ready to go,
waiting on a bodyguide to put the other one together.
So one of the guys that worked there
was just showing me a mini truck and magazine.
And I happened to be over there.
The owner saw me and decided to call me in after work.
And that was that.
No more farting around.
Nope, no more farting around.
Or a lot more farting around.
Yeah, a lot more time to fart around.
Not on his time.
Yeah, so I ended up getting hooked back up with that hot rod shop.
And he offered me a job, but there was a test.
So the first test was to paint like a blown small block.
So did that, aced it.
He was happy with it.
And he goes, well...
He just needed that fucking motor painted.
So then he had a Buick station wagon.
And he's like, well, why don't you try to spray this stuff?
This is a little more difficult.
It was a single stage concept PPG with 2021 mixed in.
So I think I painted the front end of that car
and then the tailgate and thinking back on it.
Yeah, he just wanted free labor.
I should start doing that with working interviews.
Bring my own shit in.
All right, dude, so here's the deal.
This whole motherfucker's got to get painted.
So from there, worked there a couple of years.
I learned quite a bit about the hot rod industry.
You know, it was completely different than collision side of things.
Got into metal fab.
That was where I learned how to take weld.
We trying to think of what all we did.
Really building like high-end hot rods.
There's a sort of local first night type stuff.
Yeah, he built some high-end stuff.
He had, I know one of the trucks that he had done,
it's qualified for like truck of the year.
Okay.
But we had a panel like a 49 panel, I think Chevy panel.
So me and the other guy pancake the roof and, you know,
he's teaching me how to do that, made some wheel tubs,
some floor stuff.
You know, at that time, I'd never even heard of a pole max.
He had a pole max and all that kind of stuff.
So mainly my job was body and paint.
But worked there a couple of years.
We kind of just had our difference of opinions.
We're still friends today, but I just don't think it would have worked out there.
Then from there, I decided I wanted to chase the money again
and went back to collision and worked in another shop
for a couple of years doing body work.
Then that shop ended up folding up.
And my girlfriend, my wife now said,
well, you're always working at night, you know, doing this stuff.
Why don't you just try to make a go at it?
So that's...
I bet she's regretted that about a hundred thousand times.
Oh, yeah, probably.
Yeah, it doesn't stop.
And I keep telling myself, this is the year.
I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna be home on the weekends.
I'm gonna, you know, but it's difficult.
So what you say that you did it, you started a shop
because you were passionate about it or were you just not employable?
Because it's kind of sounded like...
I don't want to be a dick, but it's kind of like...
There could be... there's a fine line there.
Yeah.
I think I'm going to be...
I think now I'd be really employable.
And learn a lot of valuable lessons, I'm sure, right?
But yeah, so I didn't really have anything in the shop, just my own car,
you know, a few little side jobs.
So in the beginning, we just did whatever we could to stay afloat
and we were doing a lot of car lot jobs
and then actually one day I got a call from the original collision shop I worked for
and he asked me if I'd be interested in doing some work for one of their accounts.
They had an enterprise rental car account, so...
Not a couple bumper jobs, huh?
No.
No, we did roofs and I mean, it's crazy what we were doing.
We would get four or five of those a week and at that time we had low overhead,
it was a really small shop and...
Turn and burn.
Yeah, I mean, then I was actually making money.
Yeah.
So we did that for quite a while.
Especially when he knew he was just going to come back in a week correct again.
Yeah, and that's kind of how I knew he didn't mean to fire me
because he wasn't one to just farm stuff out.
I mean, we never did that when I was working there, so...
But he didn't have a painter.
Well, yeah.
He was gone.
He did at that time, but they were stacked up, so yeah, it's crazy.
Those enterprise rental cars, they...
When you're...
I'm interested in this because I followed a very similar path and there's some transitions,
some major transitions in there of doing what you can to stay afloat, right?
Especially when you have a collision background and you're doing stuff for all over,
especially when you get some of those smaller contract stuff.
It'll be a small car lot, and then you've always got five or six cars at a time in there
and make some money, but then you obviously want to build high-rots and custom cars, right?
And you get that...
Maybe it's the first job or it's the second job and there comes a pivotal time of...
I can either do both of them halfway or I can do half of my business full-time.
What build was that and what was that internal discussion like?
So, I always knew that this was the path that I wanted to be on.
It was just getting that first job because, I mean, as you guys have probably experienced
until you do one like that, you're not...
Nobody's just going to walk up and go, hey, build me a riddler out of this 1,500 square foot building.
All this money that I know you're going to blow through and then want more,
but I've just been looking for somebody to take it.
Somebody to save the guy.
Yeah, so...
It's generally the guy that seeks you out because like,
I bet you I can get this dude to do a bunch of shit for cheap.
Oh, and we dealt with that also.
And that's just the way it is.
You can't complain about it.
It's earning stripes and paying your dues, right?
It's the farm league.
There's a lot of shit they do in the minor leagues that you don't do in the major leagues
that you're just going to have to...
I don't know if they cover that in Roger and Troy's class.
I think it's the only thing they're missing.
I'd imagine they don't encourage that.
No.
But I don't know, I still, I honest to God,
I don't know how you get started without doing it.
I don't...
Yeah.
Without just eating it and putting in the time.
Unless there's a backer or unique situation financially wise
where you can build the thing on your own dime to get the best business card.
You just need that business.
You need that representation of your work and you've got to get it somehow.
And you sure at that point you can't do it out of your own pocket.
The first business card that you could present would be a handwritten post-it note, right?
You need to figure out a way to take that handwritten post-it note
and make it appear really, really nice even if it takes donating a shit ton.
Or then the next one's at least a Xerox copy of something a little nicer
and then you go to...
Finally you can be like, you know what?
I can buy a graphic designer, design me a cool logo
and spell custom with a K and get them printed, right?
So in the beginning I called myself Precision Body and Paint
and that's where that story comes along with the other guy
that brought up the NoCo's Customs thing.
So that didn't really fit
and I was kind of trying to think of different names to call ourselves.
So that all happened and then one of the paint delivery guys said
he's got a buddy that has a 55 Chevy.
He's looking for somebody to do and, you know, he'd seen the work that I was doing.
It's not a normal, you know, I was a trained professional doing car lot jobs.
So he said, well, I think you'd be a good fit for this one.
So we started on a 55 Chevy.
It was a pretty decent car to start with.
What was the scope of work to start?
Full build?
Paint and body?
Paint and body.
It kind of turned into a full build,
but the owner did a lot of the mechanical side of it.
But that one, I think we started on it.
We were working on it maybe six months.
Then it got put on hold.
Same first collision shop.
Said a guy had a 67 Beetle he wanted to do.
So brought it down to the shop, started working on that.
Then we're just kind of started to get around that we were doing this kind of work
and at that time there weren't too many shops doing old car stuff.
So another crazy one that popped up was a guy down there
wanted to build a 69 AMX.
But he wanted it done in a month.
So, you know, being young and dumb.
Hell yeah.
You just got done watching overhaul.
Yeah, they went on TV all the time.
It must have been a prime time when the TV shows were popping.
So we were contracted to do the body.
So the sheet metal body paint.
Had to do it in a month because he needed to get the car together
and deliver it for Christmas for whatever.
So me and the guy that was working for me, we got it done.
And we got it done in a month.
We'd get there at five o'clock in the morning,
work until midnight one, go home for a little bit.
And we did that for a month straight.
And he paid no problem.
No problem.
And it was kind of weird.
We actually, he somehow, I don't know,
that guy can talk his way into whatever.
But he got auto geek involved at that time.
And they did a little YouTube video deal.
I don't know if you guys are familiar with Bruno Masal.
The name sounds familiar.
He was involved with it.
And they flew in like five guys to wet sand and buff the car
that never wet sanded and buffed the car.
Perfect.
So Mike Phillips, and I had to teach him
how to wet sand and buff this fresh car.
Nothing better than getting it done under a timeline
than also having to train, too.
Yeah.
What's the worst that could happen?
Yeah, it was black.
Yeah, that's usually pretty forgiving black.
Did you put a silver highlight on this body line?
Because it's starting to really pop.
So we got that one done.
Keep saying it.
It'll be fine.
We ended up getting a 65C10 project
and just really put time and effort in on that one.
A lot of it was unpaid, but...
What was your labor rate at that point in time?
30.
Holy shit.
Yeah.
What was your rent?
In the little shop, it was only $600 a month.
So we were able to do that.
It was a really hard transition to go from that
to start stepping up the labor.
I mean, it's still hard.
Yeah.
But...
It's still pretty cheap, too, actually.
Yeah, I think reasonable.
But yeah, so we put a lot of effort into that
and we were able to debut that.
Do you guys remember Good Guy's Day at the Hay?
It was a one-day show in Lincoln.
Two years?
Two or three years, I can't remember.
Three years, I think.
Yeah.
So we were able to do that
and the customer pulled it down there.
I mean, I think that night before,
I worked at all nighter.
So then I get a call in the afternoon or whatever
and he goes,
hey, it's crazy.
I pull in and, you know,
ten minutes later, this guy tells me
I'm parked in the wrong spot.
I need to move.
And he's like, they moved me into the winner's circle.
So he ended up getting McGuire's magnificent
masterpiece with that.
I think he went on to get a builder's choice
or something with it.
That's awesome.
I bet he was stoked.
Oh yeah, he was super stoked.
And then from there,
I think we took that to a few other local shows
and we ended up getting 69 Camaro
that we're working on now,
that little silhouette picture on the...
If you had to guess while I pulled this up,
if you had to guess how much labor and or dollars,
hours or dollars,
do you think you donated on that C-10?
At my labor rate,
probably 40 grand worth.
Who paid more for that car?
You or the customer?
The customer paid more,
but I mean, it was...
The partnership?
Yeah, it was a partnership.
Yeah.
That's looking cool.
So we ended up getting that car
because he saw the truck
and he pulled it from another shop
and then we pretty much ended up redoing everything
and that thing has grown into this crazy project.
So, you know, we're going to try and debut
that one in California this year,
but now we're getting into machine in the bolts
or facing the bolts, seracoding them.
So his deal with that car was he wanted everything black
and I go, everything?
Everything.
Wow.
You're going to do...
We're in California this year.
For Slonaker.
Slonaker.
Okay, so...
The white body action on that thing,
how you pulled those...
Yeah, we...
Pulled the body lines out?
Yeah, a little bit.
We moved the windshield frame down
because it's got flush glass,
so it lines up with the side windows.
Yeah.
It's got some machine vents
that are actually functional in the rear.
It's kind of got a lower valence setup.
You can't see it in that picture
because it's so dark, but...
It's got a pretty sweet chassis underneath.
Yeah, it does have a nice chassis under it.
Hell, yeah.
Is that fast tracking or what?
Yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
But yeah, that one,
we've done some machine work with the intake.
He wanted a dual snorkel type intake,
so our buddy at Atomic Machine, TJ,
he worked with us,
and that was before he even had a 3D scanner,
so we're plotting points and doing that,
but we designed this four-piece intake
that I take welded together and everything.
It's a little dual snorkel and kind of...
To be honest with you, it just looks like a plastic intake,
but a lot of work went into that.
That'll be cool.
Yeah.
Then, I mean, it obviously just kind of snowballs after that.
Throughout that process, are you saying
there's a collision stuff?
I just can't do this anymore.
Oh, I still do it.
Do you really?
Every once in a while.
Every once in a while.
It'll have to be for the right customer.
I'll spend a weekend doing something.
It's got to be the right size job,
but put a little extra money in my pocket.
What do you guys know how it is?
Every one of your customers with a hot rod has other cars, too,
and they develop this relationship.
They're like, well, I want you to work on this.
It's so difficult to say no.
Honestly, it's more difficult to say no to some of those jobs
than it is to even go up on your labor rate
with existing customers.
The thought of...
I'm paying you X amount of hundreds of thousands of dollars
to build what may be my second or third build with you.
The fact that you're capable of doing these one-off things
to this custom level,
and you can't fix my daughter's civic that...
It's like, yeah, but it's like door and quarter,
and frame needs to be pulled, and it's really bad,
and we're going to do it too nice
because you're too good of a customer,
and then you're going to look at him,
I can't charge you that for a civic.
It's worth more than the bill's worth.
You have to just...
I know we did. I said, you have to.
Finally, it was like...
That's it.
Because you're pulling off of other customers' jobs,
and you're pulling this, and you're just gumming up the works.
If the other jobs are there, then...
Oh, yeah.
If the other jobs are there, now you're a hot rod shop.
There's plenty of times where it's kind of like,
well, we could fit this in between here,
and it fit. You're like, absolutely.
Years ago, I remember sending you pictures
of all those...
Cadillacs.
You were fucking with me.
You told me you con some dealership
about it giving them...
It was when CT-6
had just came out,
a bigger Cadillac,
and
a rollback came
and dropped three of them off.
Three black, brand new CT-6s,
V, whatever,
each at that point in time.
It was 130 or $40,000 cars.
so I sent a picture to them.
I was still working with Jonathan at that time,
so I sent a picture to them, and they're like,
what the fuck is that?
And it's like, too near I can believe it,
that PRI ran into somebody from Cadillac
and told them we were going to do some custom stuff,
and they just sent us three of them.
We were just going to be able to do some cool stuff.
I can tell by the lack of response,
or how long it took for a response,
that they're like super pissed off about it.
And it's finally like, yeah, fucking whatever, blah, blah.
And then I didn't say anything like,
dude, are you serious? Like, what's going on with that?
And then I just slow, what it was
was a local funeral home
needed these,
needed skirts put on the back of them, right?
That they didn't make skirts.
So we had to, you know, hand-form some aluminum skirts,
make a fasten and paint them, do some other little cool things on it.
Not cool things, little small things.
But it was one of those things that's like,
a guy comes in, talks about it,
I don't want to do this thing, blah, blah.
We've done some other stuff for this guy that owns a place.
So you throw out an astronomical number.
Like, this is the polite way of doing it, right?
He's like, oh, no, no problem.
I can have him here next week.
Oh, fuck. There was more meat on that bone.
Damn it.
Isn't it amazing when you look back at the things
that you did in like the early years
when you were sort of scrambling for work?
You're just thinking through that.
You remember the guy from the Cuneo Estates guy
that used to bring a car here like every few months?
So we had, there's a,
I don't know if you've seen him right next door
to Hawthorne Mall.
There's now
some big,
tall apartments there.
That was the Cuneo Estates.
This dude was basically, it's like a family, like the Vanderbilts
or like that
generation upon generation
of just gazillion, 40-acre estate of dollars, right?
And somehow
this dude must have been an older guy, but he had
like, you know, some dude
that just handled his
collection, his things.
It wasn't necessarily a car guy,
but he'd have like a lot of like luxury cars.
And the guy was just
kind of into some weird stuff and always wanted
a lot of things and stuff.
Whatever the latest big-bodied Mercedes was
or SUV,
and the guy would bring him in.
And then it was like he wants to put a valance
on the back or like a diffuser on the back.
But he didn't want, and I just be like,
well dude, let's buy like a bumper cover
or like some body kit.
Absolutely not. It had to be something
that nobody else could have.
So dude, we were taking these Mercedes and like
fabbing the craziest aluminum,
like full aluminum bumpers and things
for the back. I mean, serious
fabrication shit.
And again, he would pay whatever the hell it cost.
We took whatever the
high-end Mercedes SUV was at the time.
We took the middle row out
at the back seat and moved it to the back row
because he wanted more legroom.
Sleep before they had the My Bob.
Yeah. Yeah.
And this guy, I mean, we were fair with them,
but we charged what we had in it,
which was a shit ton of labor.
It's so wild.
There's so many of those stories.
Like he said, you do those.
And at the time, you're kind of like,
it's a means to an end, right?
All right, we're getting paid obviously.
But the
the dream
or the internal
mindset or the ego of like,
I want to be the big time hot rod builder.
I want the shop full of all these crazy high-end
or all in bare metal that we're doing it.
It's like a thing of like,
I don't want anybody to see that I'm doing this.
And he's like, let's just get through this done.
Now, like you get to the point where you're like,
five or six of those wouldn't be that big of a deal.
I couldn't even bring those in here. They made good money.
We were welding like signs up
for the village and like trying to like,
you know, grease the wheels to make sure
some connections or anything that come in the door.
And those projects
as aggravating as sometimes they were,
like, it was still like,
it was a beginning and middle and an end
and you saw it leave.
And you also weren't screwing with a bunch of stuff where
like, there was comebacks.
Like it was, you built a bumper cover
and painted it, got paid and
Yeah, until some of them are like,
it's sort of stuff you shouldn't be fucking with.
When you pull all the interior out of it,
like a brand new Mercedes,
you're stretching things
and you're moving electronics and things
and you're like, you know, I shouldn't be doing this.
Dash lights up like a Christmas tree.
The yellow ones are always airbags.
We don't do a lot of that.
I mean, it's maybe one a year,
but I'll offer it up to the other body guys
and say, hey, you guys want to make some money
on a Saturday or a Sunday
and I'll give them
X amount over what they normally would make.
And so it's just one of those deals.
Like I said, maybe once a year,
I think it's been a couple of years since we've done one.
We'll do every once in a while
little projects like that will pop up.
We just made some trim clips
for Duncan Aviation
as another company in
Lincoln and, you know,
it's one of those deals. You bid it high
and it's like, okay, we'll do that.
No, you did it low.
Don't tell me that.
Nobody listens to this.
Yeah.
So,
but yeah, we've done a lot of
random, weird things.
I don't know if you can, how far you guys
scrolled back, but we've got a
we've done work on a couple
willies, that Jeepster thing.
I was going to ask you about this Jeepster.
I like the Jeepster.
I do too.
And I generally
What do you think? Big block in that fucker?
I don't like those.
I don't.
I'm not a Jeep guy and now
we've worked on a couple of them and it's like
what, why are these
still coming?
You found a little niche.
It's cool. I was checking
that out. There's some high-end stuff on it.
We have a joke, me and Phil at the Jeepsters,
because my dad was into, he had terrible
taste in vehicles.
Not to say that I don't like those, because I do.
It's a neat sort of
unusual vehicle, but
he grew up
and went to, I think it was like Lake, he told me
the story, went to Lake Geneva and the
local little marina.
They had a bunch of those Jeepsters
and that's what they were using to pull everybody's boats in
and out of the water. I guess it's something that just
resonated with them and stuck.
He always wanted to build one and we would never
fucking let him. And he'd be like,
what a fucking big block in that thing.
Fucking big block 502.
Make that thing fucking go fast. What do you think?
Huh?
What do you think?
That's still not cool.
We're trying to do what we can
to make it as cool as it can be,
but yeah, it's an odd
duck.
But
that air cleaner is actually from the
57.
But I think we'll probably end up using
it on there.
It looks really good.
It was one of those, I did not
want to do it.
But you know, the guy
brought the idea up and I go,
well, you can just buy one of those already done
pretty nice for
that conversation with a lot of guys.
They'll level with the customer and be like, dude,
just buy one, man.
Get out of your system.
Let's build something else.
I don't know why I like it.
I like them and I like the later ones too.
they're a little more
obscure, they're funky.
The grill on it
as they got into like the 60
later 60s.
That one's got the
early grill. That's a 49.
But we're fabricating a hood
for it right now from scratch because
of course, when you start gapping everything
out, Jeep was not intending one to
be that nice.
They weren't even still supposed to be around.
That one barely was.
I think it came in on like a wagon air chassis
and when we took the body
off the chassis just folded in half.
I think that's what makes the
industry kind of fun though. When you see guys doing
weird wacky stuff,
you look at
the thing
that's
Ron Jones knocking that out of the
part. Somebody's got
to venture out there and do some weird stuff.
That's a 58 Porsche 356
that we're doing and that thing
we've literally touched
every single piece of metal. It looked like
it was a boat anchor behind
the Titanic.
There wasn't anything left of it.
We've either had to fabricate it
or there's a lot of panels available
for those as well.
I've got pictures of that where it's just
You see that door, right?
That's exactly how everything was.
Acid dipped it for too long.
It looked pretty good before you acid dipped it.
Yeah, we took it to
Clean & Strip out here and had it dipped
and it's like, holy crap, this thing's
gone.
They could get away with some stuff with that older
Bondo. You could
just hide anything, no shrinking.
You shouldn't tell us anything there.
I think he fixed the potholes in
Chicago and you would have no problem with it.
The nose of that
thing was
not even exaggerating. An inch and a half thick
easily.
After we got it
dipped, we realized that it had already
been punched in the front once
and then somebody brazed the nose on
there and then that one got punched.
Then they just Bondo'd it up.
Yeah, that one's
Pretty neat little cars.
What's to play with? More restoration stuff
or like an outlaw?
That one, for right now, is just a
restoration
project.
Early on, we would do
some of the restoration stuff, but
now, I mean, it's gotten so expensive
you can't
a guy with a 66 in pallet
can't restore that for him.
It just doesn't make
any sense. Where those actually have some value
to them to where it makes a little more sense.
You're doing a lot of
paint and body for
Roger as well, I'll see.
Andy? You're doing some for
Oh, never mind.
Yeah, Andy.
I was looking at something different.
We did. Yeah, we
helped out on the Buick.
That was
the first one that we really helped with
and I think it was
a week before they were leaving for California
with that one and
show up and it's like,
Are you sure?
So we did the chassis on the Pontiac.
I think we went
to his shop for a week and then we
finished it out at our shop.
So
Yeah, that was a pretty cool project to be
a part of.
How'd the 57 come about?
guy
trying to think
through a couple
people just word of mouth, I guess
they had heard about us and then talked
to the paint rep and
originally we were just supposed to do the body
and paint and they had
a chassis on order and
we got the car
things a total pile.
There was no way in hell we were
going to be able to just do body and paint and so
we needed the chassis
well turned out the guy didn't actually
order a chassis so
we took
over the build at that point and some things
are often forgotten about. Did I order
one? Did I not order one? Yeah, surely
I've got one on order. There's a lot of parts.
So we
took over the build, ordered one of your guys
his chassis and
it started as just
you know he wanted a nice
driver and then
like they do.
He kind of started to see what we were doing
and
said well it would be kind of cool if we did this
you know I've always wanted the exhaust
to come out the bumper. Okay
You started getting excited
about it and seeing some of the other projects too
I think. Yep, started getting really excited
about it.
So that car
we've flattened the whole side of it
took all the bubble out of it
I think the trim
How did you tackle that? Because that's
a tricky thing on Tri-Fives
that people I don't think recognize
why some of them like at a high level
why they look so damn good and why they're so
difficult to make look that good. So
we actually used a trinking disc
on most of it
and then made a few cuts here and there
I talked to Will
Posey about it
at some point and he told me
cut under the quarter panel that will take that bubble
out of the right behind the door
pretty easily. In the wheel opening
right in front of the wheel opening
behind the door
just give it like a release cut
just a little release cut into the rocker
yeah. Okay, gotcha
but yeah we
by the time we were done the trim
I think each piece on the side I had to cut
about an inch out of
there was that much flatter
through there. Wow
but that car
pretty much the only thing original is the fenders
the hood
and the roof. We've
we've had to replace everything else
and fabricate everything else. The engine
bay we fabricated all that
so the
radiator support idea I'd always
you know you see guys doing Tri-Fives
they always do that kind of waterfall looking
radiator cover so I wanted
to try and do something a little different
three most expensive phrases
in hot rod building
number one I want to paint it
instantly
top of the list. Number two
well while
we're at it
it'd be cool. Number three
you know it'd be cool
that's exactly where I was going
you know it'd be cool
you know it'd be cool if we painted it
and while we're at it
you better get out of bay check
yeah
so we've I mean that one
I really like that car
I think that thing's turning out really good
yeah some of the stuff Michel was showing me
where that thing's gonna be sweet
I think so we're doing blue
a dark blue color and so the guy
that owns it
not that into blue
so the guy that owns it owns
a juice store
multiple juice stores so I was
I like to screw with him a little bit
and so I mixed up a custom color
and so I named it
Boo Berry just to screw with him
so now I have to tell
people that's the name of the color
but Seema debut
yep that's plan
cool waiting on a spot
waiting on a spot
and we might
might be able to figure something out
it's on the list it's on the list
I was talking to Chad the other day
at glass hail
he's fucking busting my balls he's like
that thing with like getting the car you guys doing the booth again
at Seema
it's like getting the cars in there I mean I'm sure that's like
pretty last minute right
like dude I know you know me
but this shit is organized
a day after Seema
we were already starting
Friday morning before I
had gone to sleep because we stayed out too late
Thursday night I had to answer
a phone call
to be put on the list
that's weird what was Thursday night
yeah
you got a video on here from Thursday night
yeah we were there
my wife and I and Zach was there
I told one of the guys Friday morning
I said just put me in a casket
put me in the truck
I'm dead right now
I'd like to have somebody
give us some feedback on the attendance
see if we're impacting the attendance
of the Seema show on Friday
I guarantee you're impacting the early attendance
I promise you that
they might still be making it there but it is
towards the tail end of the day
you know who's hurting is that Starbucks in the morning
at the show
that line is not
so Zach
you've sat here and listened the whole time
how do you fit into this process
well
I guess we can
I can go all the way back to when I first
met Ben
in high school
I have to
this is where the good stories come from
we were talking about this
2002 or 2003
because I graduated
before he did
and my
intentionally or not
somehow I didn't get held back
and graduate the same year
but
I remember him
using a dye grinder and machine tool class
hogging out his throttle body
for his car thinking that that was going to make a ton more
power
we all did shit like that
when we were
37 whatever year
my dad fought with me
I was refused to believe that
a half inch carb spacer
wasn't going to make turbo charger level
power increases
oh he's like hunter shop
well I mean if you flip the air cleaner lid
on your quadra jet powered vehicle
then it does
but Ben and I weren't super good friends
in high school but a few years later
I guess we caught back up
with each other and
I'm kind of the second shift guy
at no cost I come in
in the evenings and on Saturdays and Sundays
and stuff and I went to the same school
he did the same trade school
but I went for automotive technology
so the mechanical side of things
and I worked at
a couple dealerships
a small restoration shop
actually too
not doing paint and body
we did everything besides that
but I like to focus on
drivetrain stuff engines, transmissions
rear axles
stuff like that I guess
so I don't actually
work for Ben I just
go and help him out
and then it's the best type of labor
you can get a hundred percent
refund on it everything got screwed up
everything I charge him to do
funny story about that
is I'm
well I guess he's forever indebted to me
or vice versa but
what did I do
he was
going away for a couple of weeks
and Zach's the type of guy that'll
help anybody I mean he's always there to help
everyone
so we
us me and the car club
and all the buddies got together
and I had been talking to him about his
Nova for years
so we thought it'd be a great idea to
take his Nova while he was going to be gone
you know we can do floors in it
that's basically what he said floors and quarters
okay no big deal I'm only going to be gone for three weeks
you know I was going to the SEMA show
and then I was going to
I think I was going to SEMA
and then I think I was going to do Scottsdale
in the good guy's show on Scottsdale
and it was like a three week period
so
the fuck the last one you did it the last kind of week
for months
40 year old
this is a $600 Nova
so
we talked to his dad
yep cool take it get it out
get the hell out of our house anyways so
we did it
we started working on it and then it's like
holy crap this thing is rough
so yeah it's going to be a little
harder to get this done and then of course he came back
early but now
yeah then I
so I moved on to my parents house you know
20 years ago or whatever it was but I left
most of my junk in the garage
you know some stuff
my car was one of those things that I left
I didn't have anywhere to put it you know
at the time and then I never wanted
to consume my own space with that
so
I swung by my parents house for whatever reason
and I noticed the car is not there
and I was like
what the hell is going on
I mean this car has been here since 1999
and now it's gone
I called my dad and I said where's
the car at where's the Nova at
it's a 72 Nova
and he's like oh
I don't know
I was like do I need to call the cops he's like oh I know
where it is I know where it is
so yeah
so now it's at the shop taking up space
and we've been working on it
that night you know when we're not doing
other things or he's not helping me but
yeah trying to get it done for him
so yeah
it might be like thinking of a
concept here as you're bringing that up
overhauling was a great show
successful like tugs on your heart strings and everything
every builder
and shop owner their cars aren't getting
done we should hook up with bud
who still hasn't done this podcast yet
right
I see where you're going with it
but we okay we take
the you take a car
for like a big time like Jesse
Greening's got a car probably sitting there
that he wants to build for himself we grab it
we give it to the worst shops
but we get it
but we get it done and then you tell
you debut it and you watch
the reaction like you've done something so
good but at the site like it's fucked
and you know he's got such an eye for
detail you know
I like it
what if you get another car very similar
and then just just slaughter dog
it and then show that to
and then
that's a that's another old body guy we
used to call out when you half-ass a car
but
you do a shitty job on another car
and make them think that that's their car
before you show them the real question the real deal
it would be funny because you know there'd be
the element of like
they're so man you did this was so nice
of you but then like that
you're gonna have to preface this like you can't
you know
everything's great about the premise of the
show except
the shops that we're gonna take it to
they're gonna know that
we gotta frame that differently
no because they're doing that type of work because they don't know
they're so that type of shop so confident
I know but we can't be like
hey we're gonna take it to shitty shops
we're not gonna say that
well I know but you say
I'm just saying
we're gonna edit that part out
this is inside baseball
100% I know
we're up in cumbers and small shops
I've already got some in my
I've got shops in my mind right now
that I would pair with
certain builders based on their style
and their taste we do a 32
for Alan Johnson and I know who would do it
that would be like what do you think
what do you think dude man
has it moved in 15 years
look at the chassis man
it's like
when they move
that bus or whatever they have to pull the
pull the thing across
you can see the little
the little C notch in the back
sticking up above the back of the tire
little baby tires
yeah
Alan
so good
that's a good one
we're gonna just
yeah we gotta push that butt
I was thinking
similar but different
one night builds
here at the shop
we've got a lot of employees
everybody's in the cars and stuff like that
everybody's got a project and all that
it'd be really cool to give back
to the employees and stuff so at night
when we go to shut down
randomly we'll just pick a shop fan
to do a rehab on
we'll take
we'll take that
32 Cessna motor
that's got the cut down blades on it
and then we'll just junk it
and then we'll just put a regular box fan
back in this place
in like a week and a half we'll have
like safe
functional
it's selfish I guess
we've talked about that on here
right?
maybe I think
we have
some extremely talented
fabricators
all different skill sets
all of them very uniquely talented
for some reason
we have
personal climate control
is a huge
personal climate control
however it's
I don't know if this was a previous HR
move or
there's a check mark on Indeed
it seems as though we've hired
specifically out of
like post-apocalyptic
times like Waterworld
or something so they can
craft
Mad Max level
these could be three
items that no three
are meant to move air
but put these three items together and now
fashion a cord
and plug them in and now it moves air
it's like a MacGyver level
and it's like
it would be like
walking through the scene of fallout
there's a portion
I found a Kmart box fan
from the 70's
but it didn't work
and then I happen to have this old ball door motor
out of my old
bridge port
and then I've converted the three phase
but I don't have a three phase converter
but I figured it out
and instead of using wire
I just used a exposed TIG rod
but 16th TIG rod didn't do it
so I had to use like three sixteenths to hold the voltage
and then I ran it through
and somehow some wire nuts came out
chain drive and a sprocket
and it's got a twist grip throttle on it
the fan was broken so I took the old
Flexalight you know the one with the razor blade
edge on it and then I grafted that on there
it's a little out of balance
so
yeah and they leave that motherfucker on it
end of the night too and you walk by and you're like
holy shit
good thing OSHA's not here
yeah it's been purged
we've got a couple guys like that that can do that
and well
Matt's one of them and finally
I had to tell Matt like we can't do this
you can't show people
that are starting to work here
that this is okay like yeah it works
but don't do that
yeah you know especially with like
a Harbor Freight
makes a beautiful fan
for very inexpensive
they didn't get the
the only reason if you need a little help I will buy you
that Harbor Freight fan
long before you create that death trap
this is the only way it works
Harbor Freight or some other company
needs to build
the fan in a box and you put it together like an erector set
because they have it's the project
do you think it's the project?
I mean a lot of it's cost cutting
but it's also the project of
they get to build something
you do like a 3-in-1 models where you can make it like a
street car
I think we can do a collab here
you know the Viper chair dudes
that's sort of how they cut their teeth
that's where they got started
got some killer motors for fans
they got some big old fans
we do a little collab
they're like the rat rod version
of their fan
that will kill you
moving on
back on track
I just wanted to go to other places
where were you headed?
nowhere, the good
it feels right
let's keep going
how many guys you got now
total?
five guys and then myself
what do you do full time
for a living?
I sell car parts
by way of a company
named Speedway Motors
oh cool
I'm on the merchandising team there
so we work with companies
all the buy sell products
that we sell pretty much
I have a list of companies that I work with
you know come up with the
product selection that our customers want
so that's why
I was on my way to SEMA that year
that Ben stole my car
and then we have a warehouse
down there too so I was going down there
to work for a week and then go to the
Scottsdale Good Guys show
you made it off all yours
going on vacation playing hooky for three weeks
that sounds like a sweet thing
don't rat me out
I was planning on doing it again sometime
yeah I mean
November get the hell out of the midwest
go to Arizona for a couple weeks
seems like a good idea
so
yeah that's what I do
so I've been there for 15 years
nice
speaking of Good Guys
you guys got a new show coming up
new show
new venue
downtown Nashville
the fairgrounds
May 15th and 16th
this is where
traditionally the Nashville show has been
it's been at the stadium
been at the racetrack
and it's always had hot rod of the year
since it moved there from Indy
now they're changing up a little bit
going to the fairgrounds 2 day show
pre-65 only
you can enjoy live performances all weekend long
on the advanced plating music stage presented by
Allaway's Hot Rod Shop
enjoy the York Speed Shop members only
Speakeasy Lounge presented by Ethos Craft Brewing
don't miss the crowning of the 2026 Good Guys
Tanks Inc Hot Rod of the Year
on Sunday afternoon see which rides take home
the top awards including Bobby Allaway's
Builder's Choice Awards
you can get details, vehicle registration
and ticket information at legendsofhotrodding.com
you guys going?
I don't think we're going to make it
because that's two weeks before
we'll have live and so we got to get the shop ready
you can build a whole car in a month
it doesn't take two weeks to get a shop
that's a Friday afternoon
that's going to be a cool show man
that was always one of my favorite shows
I still like the
Nashville show but back when it was
at its original location
right there downtown at the fairgrounds
sorry not the fairgrounds at the stadium
was badass dude
that was a great time
good show I knocked it down to two days
coming in with some pre 65 stuff
more of a hot rod
it should be cool
you have to get a hot rod before then
I don't mind the 66
I was going to say you just got a hot rod
does anybody know the difference?
65, 66?
I got a hot rod
what do you do with those cars
that they made before and after
that are still the same car
pre 65
like what about a Riviera
could be a 63 or could be a 66
you just changed the number
my advice just to lie
if you're going for like a
of the year award or like trying to win the thing
maybe not the right move
if you're just trying to slide in there
we're going to bomb the monolay down there
that would be a great road trip
I think we could unload it
as we're on the north
end of Nashville
when you get off the interstate
there what road is that
you don't think it'd make it
let's do it then
the thing's pretty damn reliable
it'd make it I'm not so sure that I'd want to drive it
I don't want to drive it down 65
we'll go back roads
you'll lose it in the pothole
I'm not that hardcore
Josh will fuck up his Lululemon
we'll leave early in the morning
we'll go back roads
it's like fucking Vinny talking to me about
driving up Panhead or something on the road
tour
just stop trying to be so fucking cool
right
nobody wants to do that
I'm fucking 43 years old
I need something, I'm getting to be that guy
that's like hot rod
hurts my back a little bit
I want to something with some AC
roll the windows up
is a roadster shop chassis
that's a nice enough time of year though
maybe
I think we should do it
alright if you think dude
I don't know
bring a chase vehicle
yeah, yeah, yeah
follow along in the 66
5
4
5 and earlier
there's no difference
pre-65
the pre-65 thing
still I think we need some clarification
from good guys
it's pretty cut and dry
it's before 1965
so 65 is not allowed
65 and earlier or pre-65
because there's
I don't think they're going to get that technical
although
people who run the gate at good guys
I know
it seems simple
so is 65 allowed or not
because 65 would not be pre
I don't think so
I think it's pretty clear
I think it's pre-65
meaning
before that
it was a late 64 production
with a 65 model year
I think it would be fine
what if it's got a special construction title
and it's actually 2026
what about a 64 and a half Mustang
that's pre-65
you're good
do you think a specialty
like a bricklin with a specialty construction
something like that
get Damon on the horn
and find out what's going on here
you guys
ever made a phone call while on here
we called chip foos
we called chip
and we called
Richard Rawlings
we've called
we've
several drunk dials
that needs to get brought back
that should be
I think that should be a segment
but you got to get deep into a bottle
like we were talking earlier
the bottles that get killed
that's post
bottle kill
we get to call a drunk dial somebody
that could be fun
I'd like to see somebody put a submission
and who should we drunk dial
that's a great question
that is a good question
it's a really good question
we got a lot of cell numbers in our roll adex
speaking of these
sometimes these great
ideas come up
and then you make the question
you pose the question
ask the audience
sometimes it gets forgotten about
it's funny when you see a comment
it's not generally prefaced
with what the question is
somebody could listen to this episode
they do an episode we did
a year and a half ago
and then make a comment
on one of the social media
platforms
and it'll just be like
my buddy Jerry
fuck yeah
alright we're going on
on that episode
2022
y'all said
who's somebody you could have on there
to make fun of
my buddy Jerry
yeah
comment down below
comment down below
I'd say that after
we did a great episode
with the Lost Angels
episode
now I think that
that allows us to be degenerates again
we've done a lot of the good stuff
we've done a lot with better people
and we acted
professional
and we were interested
so we went through all the motions
like we're good people too
now we can get back to things
we went through all the motions we're good people
yeah we went through all the motions to show people
that we might be good people
okay the phrase of we are good people
this is my call to action
let's get some suggestions
to who to drunk dial
yeah
I think that
you know not to make this too complicated
but I think there's some people
we should have back on
for redemption
that maybe didn't make it
Zach from Z-Rod's needs
needs to do over
he didn't do so well
it's like a drinking competition
between Zach and Mike Ring
Mike's not allowed to drink on here anymore
he can come on
but actually he can't come here
Nancy's gonna send him with saltines
but we have to do
we're supposed to do it this summer
we're supposed to be doing the podcast
on location there at the farm
with Mike and Jim so they can be supervised
so they don't drink too much
but you got it's a different dynamic
you got Peggy's an enabler
oh I know I'm not saying they won't drink
and Nancy's gonna
she's gonna reel it in
she's gonna make sure that
they're gonna have all kinds of answers
and topics we can't touch on
and stuff like that
but I think they're gonna get loose enough
yeah we'll have to do some folks again
and then
there's some other ones that we know
that we will get drunk
that'd be another good one
to get some feedback on
be a good drunk down
who's a good round two
what if people listen to
that would be
maybe we didn't dig into enough
I thought Paul Sr. was so badass
that was one of the early years
he was pre-video stuff
it was but he was a really rad
dude I'd like to get him
go out his way
we got a special guest coming up
that even you guys don't know about
it's about 95% locked
race car driver
rowdy rowdy piper
is he going circles
or make multiple turns
he's done
he's traditionally
gone in circles
but now he does
straight line stuff
I can neither confirm
nor deny that
but there's not many people
that have done circle and straight line
when you guys think about
doing something like bringing somebody back for a round two
do you look at the performance of the podcast
or we haven't looked at the performance
of any of the podcast at all
just sort of like if it was
your intuition maybe did you have fun
I mean I'm selfish
did we have fun
selfishly
I thought that
we grew up on things like monster garage
and orange county choppers
and the picture they paint
of Paul Sr.
he's obviously like this
fucking loose cannon
that dude's a fucking badass
like
you know unfortunately
his sons maybe
you don't just leave it at that
but
because Phil's cringing
and I'm about to let it out
but he's a more shocked now
yeah that's a really cool
dude with a killer story
killer fucking work ethic
and I mean he's got
I think stories that you could go on
for a six hour long podcast
it's like moth to a flame
you're just drawn to
tell me more
I'm just going to sit here and listen
dude you don't realize because
we're all professional
like hot rod builders and you look back at those days
of like the fucking f whatever
bike or like
let's be honest the bikes were fucking
gaudy and wild and they had rocket
launchers and things and we kind of like
laughed at them
but that dude's a badass and like you look back
and look at the way like Jesse James interacted
with him and who's fucking cooler Jesse James
and Jesse you could tell was like
senior kind of like
yeah flex a little bit like Jesse's
a little like this fucking guy's kind of bad
he's legit he's badass
business man he's that he's an honest
to God cool fucking dude
and Jesse and him are friends now
as I understand I don't know I don't know
either of them but it seems like they are
because
real
yeah it's just it just will happen
and here the guy you know he's got to be
deep into his 70s
mid 70s I'm guessing and he's down in
Florida building fucking bikes like
a small scale we messaged back
and forth probably about three or four months ago he's going to try to
really he wants to do it in person so he's trying to
figure out the schedule we can get down by
him he wears he had in
Daytona right why wouldn't he be
right motorcycle guy Daytona
somewhere and you look at the stuff that they
built like flame throwers this and that
how much of that was his idea
you sure it was a TV
TV show say what can we do that's
crazy I mean you look at his personal
collection the stuff that he's into
none of that stuff but
he's more you know old school guy
I mean it's old school chopper and there was
no like look at
this other example of a TV show going
wrong you know like if you guys had somebody come in
here today saying we want to do a show
you could look back at all these things and
well here's what we're not going to do
or here's what we would do if we consider doing it
but he touched on it too in the episode
like he didn't shy away from like
it wasn't
you know hey man that wasn't
my thing but it was
you know also being like I didn't
you know he didn't say
I hated that stuff it was
look we built cool motorcycles
for things that we like that builds me some cool motorcycles
of my style the show
was to build motorcycles for
these companies and to have the
wow factor and to do all this kind of stuff it wasn't
been like
let's see who can build the coolest motorcycle
and throw a logo on the side of it
like it wasn't it wasn't about that it wasn't
even started to be that
what are people going to say in 30 years you don't
you don't always think of that or he
didn't I mean I don't think what somebody
going to think of what I did today in 30 years
I just want to do something that I like right now
I mean I mean
yeah they built an empire
you know an absolute empire
and he got to build
the cool shit that he liked
for himself by doing it
and yeah
I think that
Paul senior would be great to have back on
I'd like to have
Craig Metros back on
because there was I think it was a tip
of the iceberg of stuff touched
because the first half of it was kind of like
prom
you know we're also like
yeah we were intimidated
we're intimidated
can we dance to it where do I put my hands
like we're going to hug like what happens
you know and then we got into
and he's got some I mean
that's an amazing guy right and we got
some really interesting stories and
and we missed a lot
you know a lot of impactful
important cars and stuff
yeah so I'd like to do Craig again
um
see who's some other ones
shop wise
see who we need to do
I'd like to get Alan Johnson back out again
yeah I want to do Alan in person
they have talked more to Alan in the
one hour podcast than in the 15 years
I've known him
I want to do uh
I'd like to do uh
Alan back
in studio yeah I'd like to do Alan
as you both back in studio
well me and Alan got something we're working on
right now I'm not ready to talk
about it nobody's ready to hear it
honestly he's not a fan
of yours lately
yeah I don't care
yeah I'm on Josh's team on that
we first of all he's a fan of me
he just doesn't like the fact that I don't like
that thing me and Alan are about to shake
up the whole fucking industry shake it
that's one word
and Angie Angie's a part of it too
well I know
she's uh
this is going to be like when
the industry transition from
please everybody pay attention to what he's about to say
street rods to pro touring
dude this is it's coming
and just you wait
and Alan's going to he's going to pave the path
he's going to be the fucking pioneer
I'll be fortunate to have a little bit to do with it
you know to help him along but he's going to be the trendsetter
dude and that's just what it is
I'm really intrigued I want to know what the hell's going on
no you don't
we'll tell you off there but
will this be what the g-force cuda was
yeah I think people will forget
about the g-force cuda honestly after this
I do I'm no bullshit
I think that
Doug premise is going to be cool
and when this is done Doug Cooper is going to have to give
the g-force cuda away it's going to have no value
anymore this is going to be so
I hate to say it
I mean I hate it for Doug
honestly but
this is a big fucking deal it's going to be a cool vehicle
I would
let's be careful
are going to be cool I agree vehicle
that's yeah let's be careful
and like we've stumbled upon
something that nobody's ever even thought about
no it's we're going to take
something that nobody really likes
and I think we can do some cool stuff with it
is it a Jeepster
no
no
it's been talked about in previous episodes
but
we'll leave it at that
we'll let the customer surprise people when they're ready
when he's ready he's not ready yet
it's just an idea
just an idea right now
you know at one point
you don't think Edison was thinking about like
man it's so dark in here
you know like how the fuck
how the fuck do we
these candles are shit
right yeah
how do we light this thing up
and then boom all of a sudden
yeah but you know what he didn't do
he didn't go back you know it would be
cool let's go
back in time and find that small shitty candle
and I'm just going to try
to make it burn brighter right
that's exactly what you're doing
so you're not
you're not chartering in the new
territories
you were so proud of yourself on that
what are you even saying
am I right you're not making any sense
let's find this small candle
that not a lot of people bought
this is the equivalent of the
you're wasted right
it's the equivalent of the LED
lights that you click on the bottom
it's like a candle but works
this isn't going
in the direction I wanted it
let's move on
yeah
let's move on
so
next show that you guys are going to be at
Triple Crown? Des Moines
well I actually will have
will have
will they're doing it big at will have
yeah that's going to be pretty big
big money stop at your shop
so Andy and I are the optional
stops cool
so we'll be on the way back
and I guess technically he is also
so
we're going to do
open house we'll be
like last year I think we were there until
3 o'clock in the morning or something like that
so yeah
yeah the good guy stuff is coming man
Des Moines Columbus
crazy out sneaks up on you isn't it
are you guys coming to wheel hub or what's on the
radar for you
I don't have a car we're trying to make it out there
yeah
Columbus is usually our first big
big banger for the year
that's the one we kind of push for
in full transparency there's been a lot of
semi
rigid commitments to a lot
of shows that all happen
to be similar or on the
same time so
yeah you can only be in one place at a time I know
I mean Lincoln's kind of
on the way back from Nashville
right yeah not at all
you guys yeah
you can hear it phrase it
you can go to Lincoln when you leave Nashville
there's a way
there's a way to get there
not in the Model A
I don't know dead flat
ass road so that one's not bad
harder to go to Nashville down
that's like the Baja fucking
going on I-65
we'll go 57 the back way
I'd rather pre-run in the desert
then go down I-60
follow the river and cut it over
there's a river on 57
yeah to the west side of it
okay
like pretty far west a couple hundred miles
no 40 miles
30 miles
then it gets closer and closer and closer
and then you have to cross it
that cock the wagon
yeah forged the river
um
standard questions time
because we got two people so this one's going to be a while
standard questions are now
brought to you by good guys are out in
custom
they haven't
they haven't given us the standard question
good guys are supposed to be presenting us
with a standard question
that might be our first
I wouldn't call it a drunk dial
but maybe it's like a buzz dial
we should hit up a bunker right now
hey man what's the question
what's the fucking question dude
we can call him up
I don't know if you'll answer
cool we won't know unless
unless you can try to call him
he's Cali time
is he living in Texas
I thought everybody
he doesn't I think he still lives in California
either way it's an acceptable hour
trying to pre-excused him
he's going to be like
click
that's asshole
don't text him
not
I don't see anybody's context
over under
the answers
you sure you're not calling me
my phone's buzzing
he's got a Sacramento number
it would just be funnier if he doesn't answer
he's not
hello hey dude
what's up how's it going
oh not much just trying to stand up
off of things
you don't have him introduce himself
I've got you live on the
oil and whiskey podcast right now
oh fantastic
we've got the no coast boys here
and we just realized that we are doing
standard question time
that is brought to you by good guys rod and custom
but we don't have a new good guys
standard question
what have you got for us
you got anything in mind
or you gotta think about this
I gotta think about that man
you're dropping it on me
because Andrew sent you over
the initial ones right
we've got talking points we have no standard questions
okay
well
this is important
so I'm just bringing it up
we do a semi standard question just for this one
give it some thought
full transparency give us some thought
so we can have it for next one
we're going to make up our own standard question
presented by good guys and frame it as though
good guys came up with it
sure
I trust you guys
alright dude I appreciate it
we got permission
I'll get with Andrew
and try to come up with standard questions
to pitch you guys
alright dude appreciate it
cool
first drunk dial
that was pretty good
it went good
alright let's do it again
first who should we call
a message call from Miranda
while we're doing this
first
I might have one
good guys standard questions
first good guys car show
and a memorable experience there
it's a good one
mine was
Des Moines
but I don't really have a memorable story there
other than it was 200 degrees
and
kids weren't having it
and what year was it
well actually no
Columbus
and the whole
waking up at 3 o'clock in the morning
to go get sucked
but it's still a great memory
it is
trying to sleep and clean the car
and yeah
I remember it from shades
I was so happy those days are over
when you used to have to be there
at 4 o'clock in the morning
and you showed up at 3 34
and there was 150 cars ahead of you
and you weren't getting a spot
in the pros big section
I remember for years
we did shades of the past for a long time
at the old facility
and then the new facility
but that was the same thing
it was 3 and 4 in the morning
and you were just sitting there
and I remember doing it
for probably
for four years straight
I met Bobby
at the very first one
it kind of hit it off and
it talked briefly when you'd see each other
I wouldn't say friends but friendly
I remember having a conversation with Bobby
I think it
Louisville or something
and it was just like
the whole thing about getting up at 3 or 4 in the morning
I think he's asking them to get up
and I said something about getting up
at 4 and waiting in line or whatever
and he's like
dude
just come in
you'll be good
there's room
oh wait you don't have to
he's like no
come in at like 9
the whole time
so that's the secret
that's probably still what's going on today
and we just don't know because we're the assholes
that roll in at 9 now
there's probably some young guys
that are thrashing on there
when the gates open
the ones parked in our spot
just waiting for
hey guys you got 10 minutes
you might want to get over that
there's so many
when you think back on it
between the atoms mark
indie hits a ton of them
the show was fantastic
but you go back to the parking lot
at the atoms mark
or inside with the animal statues
it's a great one
we should pull out the pictures of that
no we shouldn't
you should never put
a life-size animal statue in the lobby
when you've got nothing but hot roders
strong hot roders
right and it's anatomically
incorrect and needs to be corrected
but
somebody had like a big
diesel pusher coach
out there
there was a Tyson fight
when Tyson was still fighting
dude the energy there
you got fucking Tyson fighting
and a big screen on the side of some dudes
like prevo's boss
and there's so much action
we've recreated that in the Columbus parking lot
it was a laptop
it was a sugar shame fight
it was excitement
a lot of people
was that a good guy's show
I think it was Georgia
remember when we had the
what were the kicker 51
was that good guys
good guys did the show
at the Atlanta motor speedway for like two years
this was that short period of time
where
it had to be like the biker build off phase
where I think
we were trying to take the hot rod industry
that direction
so we're at this motel
and there's
it's kind of in the hood
and there's a liquor store across the street
that sold predominantly larger bottles of beer
you're in Atlanta
you're going to have to narrow it out
we got a bunch of those bigger
bottles of beer so it was on a street
there was a hotel
by the time like fast forward to like
towards the tail end of the night
and
we had these little
motors that were like mini bobbers
and we're doing fucking burnouts and drinking 40s
and we've got the
the desk chairs that had wheels
from the hotel strapped behind the things
and the fucking wheels are ripping off of them
and we're in the hotel room with the fucking
motorcycles doing burnouts
just out of control
out of control
fun times
Columbus parking lot party is moving this year by the way
we're moving it
we are
well
with some help
with some help from other people but I'm just letting everybody know
that listens
it's the other place
not the place we've had
it's going to be a new place
not the crown plaza
it's Polaris I think
pretty sure
is that per good guys or is that per Josh
everybody's involved
not just going on a limb
I'm saying
but it's been
it's happening
yeah I'm moving the party
there's no time
there's no question about it
the action
like if you really want the hot rod culture
and to get the vibe
meet people network
it's
it's afterwards at the fucking hotels dude
yeah absolutely
I mean that's where it all goes down
the show is great
what was your first good guy show
oh man I think
I probably did
five in my first year going to
a good guy show if I
probably either
Fort Worth maybe
or Pleasanton
I don't remember
with Speedway yep I'd never been
to a good guy show before
I started working there in 2010
I've been to lots and lots of other car shows
including one right by here
the Bloomington Gold Corvette show
it used to be in St. Charles right
yeah it was in St. Charles
and I think even
it doesn't run
is that near West Chicago too
yeah okay it's the next town
there was an establishment
that we went to in West Chicago
ah yes
might already know what I'm talking about
anyway that goes back to the early
years of good guy shows too
establishment
I don't have it really
ah yes
could mean anything
one of those
drinking establishment
so I don't remember
I don't have a good
I can't remember that was a long time ago
it happens a lot in those nights
I mean I used to work the booth and talk
to customers all day as all of us
here probably have done many times
you look very familiar and that must be where
I know you from
Speedway being at shows
I mean I've done I've been to a few
yeah around the block I think one year
you're only fans of it too right
me yeah not personal
I'm on only fans a lot
not me personally I don't have an account
that's what you're getting at
I think it's one year
I know
I don't even remember what I was going to say now
I don't I don't have a specific
memory I guess
I
just remember going to a shitload of those
shows all at once and immediately I thought
these guys have it figured out I mean
and that was back when Gary was still running
good guys yeah
I do remember that one time
I came into the parking lot and he had a
I think
it was a white 58 Chevy
white 58 and pallor was it black
I can't remember now black
call the guy from good guys like 58
because it's a
Bob Johnson owns it now
but that car was parked
in the front like right next
to Bill Smith's car
was still around then and they were in there
you know holding court in his office and
I remember somebody saying oh that's Gary from
good guys and I was like that that guy
hasn't figured out you know he's putting on these awesome
shows and it was
I mean I thought it was pretty sweet it's like
people there was people
that just follow the shows all year long
yep you know I was going to ask you that
we won't go too far into this
but you can code it in a way we'll
understand right because you work for
Speedway you've worked these booths right
go to a lot of shows
just like we all have you go to
a lot of shows in one year
people making that tour
sometimes you find yourself having a conversation
that you might have had once or a hundred times before
with maybe
the same exact person
however they act like they've never had that
conversation and you have
to make it their first time
once again
does that happen to you
I mean I don't know if I'm
losing my mind and thinking that I talked to the same guy
before or not because
I might not be right
you know but
I've had I mean I used to do tech support
you know answering
30 40 50 calls a day
so I'm sure I had
I'm absolutely sure without a question
that I've had the same conversation
thousands of times
but at the end of the day
I think to myself
I'm working in this awesome industry
not everybody gets to do this a lot of people
aspire to do it and either
just never get an opportunity or whatever
and it's like I don't even have to have a real job
so there's nothing for me to bitch about
you know
so yeah I mean
that doesn't help you in the
moment all the time but
yeah I mean I've had situations
like that oftentimes
and after like multiple
decades of doing car shows
I'm sort of looking forward to growing old
and coming down the other side
maybe a little dementia
where every conversations
every conversation you know
I give it I've generally
my rule of thumb is I give it to the third time
so the third time
I'm generally pretty patient
and understanding with people I feel like
I am with customers
yeah definitely you
you know I am
don't say it
but the third time
the third time is the rule
and it's not to be mean the third time is
like when that question is asked
and again this is
usually it's at the same show
it's not usually in the same year right
this guy lives local to Nashville
so he comes in it's the same build
I'm talking about this blah blah
well then on the third time it's like hey I've got
this 68 Firebird
oh man how'd you know
we talked last year and I said are you sure
yeah we talked and you want to do this
this and this yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely
so price still the same yeah price
the same actually you know go over something
for now okay all right all right
well I'm probably going to pull the trigger this weekend
I'll be here
Speedy Bill Smith
you've been there 15 years
you obviously had
some base time with
Speedy Bill
I did I've never personally met
I mean I've seen him around obviously
a wildly influential guy
killer museum killer collection
what was that dude like
man he was
the most passionate guy about
this industry that you're ever going to find
really I mean
in my opinion anyway
find somebody that will
could possibly achieve what he did
you know at the time he did it too
I mean he was a pioneer in this industry
he started his business in 1952
you know
we're coming up on 75 years
not in California
not in California exactly
did that start
was it inception in Nebraska
in Lincoln Nebraska
crazy
so I mean
it's kind of crazy
it doesn't make sense to me
how a person could do that I mean it was luck
it was being in the right place at the right time
it was a lot of hard work
probably more hard work than anything
and refusing to give up
a lot of
dirt and midget at the beginning right
dirt and midget
dirty midgets
a lot of dirty midgets
dirt and midget
race cars
the racing thing I was told
I mean I wasn't around back then but
I was told that's what paid the bills at first
you know winning feature races
and stuff like that
he wasn't making money selling parts just yet
but he was making money winning races
and then funding the
Monday through Friday business
after that
so
super
I don't even know how to put it into words really
just a guy that you look up to
even if you barely knew him
I've seen him around back in the day
I'm just a larger than life
kind of guy
crazy crazy story
who would be in that organization
that could unravel that story
is there anybody around
any relatives
anybody like at the helm
I'm looking around to see if you have the right kind of whiskey
for this one
no it's not me
it's definitely not me
I know who it would be
he's been there for over 40 years
this particular guy
but he only drinks crown royal
I got a
old Tim
my
my buddy Tim
he's a crown royal guy
I've got a fucking superhandle
what do you call it?
a wheelbarrow
it's like a magnum of crown royal
under my desk
or if you uh
crown royals that's not a problem
I think we even have vintage crown royals somewhere
like old like fifties crown royal
yeah
there's a few people that know
definitely
we should come out there and do one at the
studio
at the museum
I know we're trying to do something for wheel hub and all that
and maybe we can maybe we come out there just for that
I'm sure it could happen
that would be fun
I was going to ask something earlier
I didn't want to interrupt
but
damn it I forgot
next standard question
we'll go to the car thing
google search here
I'm going to check the year of the vehicle
I've got something in mind too
you
graduated
in
2004
alright so
2002 was when you were 16
and had this truck
there was a
he tipped his hand
it's a rattle body or a carburetor
it was a throttle body
this is fucking fuel injected then
of course it was
I had a vision
there's something
this isn't right but I'm just going to throw it out there
to see if there's anything that sticks
I see
a gold four door
mid to late 80s
caprice
is there anybody in the family
we had actually
a fucking psychic
wait
I was probably
four
I smashed my finger in one of those we had one
gold
this is a month of march
made anything to you
you had a family number that was close to you
jerry jim
yes jim
okay
pretty good
that's not my pick
every kid slammed their finger in a four door
go fucking caprice
in the same year car dude that's pretty good
that's not my pick
what's your pick
I gotta think about it
think a little bit
I'm laying mine down right now
I've used this a couple of times
but I think it's most applicable here
this is
that year
this is an s10 extreme
there's a very specific extreme
I'm close with you
I'm close with you
I just
see a vortech v6
throttle body for some reason I see importing
the vortech
you remember the s10 ss
regular cab short bed
not the rounded body
not the square body
did gmc
did gmc do one that wasn't
that wasn't the cyclone
was there just a regular
sonoma or jimmy
so square body
square body
s10 sonoma
that's why he's scouring the truck and magazine
because there's parts
that would have been a 4.3 later v6
or it would have been the 2.8
four cylinder
sonomas I think
you don't want one of those
no
what is it
you're googling something
that's for him
I'm gonna throw a
fox body
not a Ford guy
it's probably gonna be a full size
probably gonna be a square body
so actually
while in middle school
friend of mine turned 16
he was held back
a couple of years
in middle school
that dude was pretty bad
it's like wudersen
only a junior high
91 honda
sirrex
oh okay
si
hf
first car I ever swapped
I put an si engine in it
rewired it
I don't speak that language
you do dual overhead camsi
or single overhead camsi
later we got into the dual overhead camsi
oh yeah
you could handle the power
now you get into vtech days
but I don't know if you can handle that
so he had a
12 horsepower
89 sirrex
and then we went o-street as our main drag
that's where we would cruise
went cruising with him
and then was hooked on it
and then the movie
yeah the movie
fast and furious
next time you see jonathan golesby
ask him to show a picture of his sirrex
oh he's sirrex guy too
oh yeah
we were just at brian lemberg shop
picking up a piece of equipment
that he stored for me for the last six months
but he's a sirrex guy also
is he really?
I didn't see that
no I didn't see that
yeah the y49 yellow
we all did what we could afford back then
yeah absolutely
that's why I did nothing
yeah but they were
they were affordable american cars
with v8s
no
in today's world they're affordable
but back then they still seemed like they cost a ton of money
it was the same though you could have just
back dated gone back a little bit
like
79 fucking trans
and was dirt cheap
back then there was no value
yeah I know
this was our single mode of transportation
so it wasn't like I got a mode of transportation
then I'm gonna go get a fix up car
I get a mode of transportation
and that's what I got
and so now I'm gonna fix that up
well
yeah I mean
this is gonna be an age joke if my math wasn't working
right I get it
um so CRX
what all right
missed on that so you're porting that throttle body huh
I did
what kind of HPs did you get out of that
100
did you leave that carb space
did you leave the AC on
no
a lot of them didn't have it
it was faster
think about an HF too
specifically later on in the HF
era when you got into the Civic
nobody cares
no listen
they had a different gear ratio
right for fuel
efficiency awesome
they would run
193
miles an hour
in first gear
in first gear
it was just it was wild interstate
literally just floor it
carry on a whole conversation
yeah
in like 1300 rpms
you don't have to like them
that's fine there's a lot of people that cut their teeth
on this which is fine
so it's kind of crazy and I would have never
thought this would happen but if you look up
like a
Irock Camaro or CRX
or you know Fox body
there's a lot of CRX's that are bringing more
money than the Fox body or the Irock
it's pretty wild what that's
not that many of them left
a good friend Jeremy over here sent me
a quite the find
quite the cherry little
Integra Type R
find that
American one
no this is full
J-Spec okay yeah
my only guilty pleasures in that market
would be the RX-7
was it 93
he also had a
super soaker backpack
if this
frames
his level of interest
what would you leave the rotary in an RX-7
like that or you have to swap it I don't think I'd fuck with it
either I would buy I wouldn't want it as a
project I either buy an LS swapped one
or just a nice clean
RX-7, Supra or NSX
those are the three cards
in that era that I think are cool
aircraft carrier too
G.I. Joe
just
you know everything you need to know
I'm not saying I had those
those were the only cards that were cool
you know
yeah I thought they were cool
as well really cool
I think they call that
unobtainium yeah exactly
what it was
factory color when you got it
white
the swap car was a red one
and so I've had a few
white ones since then I've got a red one
now that
I've had since high school
just sitting in the container
collecting parts I've got a bunch of
tell me about that supercharger you just got
yep I wanted to do a
vintage supercharger
Jackson racing
so you can actually
make power with those so I'm going to shoot for
500 with it
I've had a turbo'd one
125 horsepower per hole
what prevented a guy in that era
this is see this is what
I can't wrap my head around
you presented as though
it's a budget thing
but what prevented you from
you could have got like a vega
put a small block in it
with a shit ton of power
for the same
not even close the same
how much would a vega cost
well they're all rusted by
then anyway
and I also didn't want a vega
right okay even a small block
was going to cost you what a good small block back
then was going to cost you what 3500 bucks
$4000 you could buy a brand new zz-4
for that a fucking crack
yeah that's not making any power
yeah but you you mean to tell me
you couldn't get you could go to a junk
yard and get a $500 small
block Chevy and build that thing
put a cam in it
yeah but again it's a project it's not you're
not driving that every day back and forth
and you're doing we're doing it
talking about we were doing a hunt motor
internals and things I just don't I
don't understand you can do any other
op you you you presented as it's
always a budget thing
other cars that were American
made with v8's
or even v6's
that you could have made
more power easily
to make them cool you would have had to do all
the things you can't just take a vega
and put a v8 in it and drive it around and it
would be cool
where's the counter argument to that
sounds pretty fucking cool
like the slam civic
with wheels on it was fucking cool
the hindsight is 2020 thing
applies because you don't know
what you want to do sometimes you don't
pick the car you got
that's what I got or
it was a good deal so your
parents bought it for you or
said this is what you're getting
you like the blue car
74 nova dodge
aspen I'll bet you somebody would
have given it to you in that era
there were no value there were negative
value somebody would probably pay you to take it
I know I didn't want that though
but that wasn't cool in that era
there were you know there was
two kind of sides I mean there was the import
geysers the
yep we were but
to us that was cool
you know and so my first
car almost was a 66
and pallet
but my dad said I didn't act excited
enough but I was you know
I'm thinking holy shit I'm going to get this
you know I never stopped liking American
cars it's just they started
to get more and more expensive and
just kind of I
you know in that time frame
it was all kind of new everything was new
so I mean 16
my first was a 76
Ford f100 long wheelbase
that's what I drove built
the 360 that was in it right
fixed it up and did everything
but whoa whoa whoa
how the fuck did you build the motor
I
I didn't build it
I fixed the motor I fixed the motor
it's a motor transportation yes
so you mean you were out that thing was
down and out and you just walked to school
I didn't how long while you built I didn't
I didn't build like
rebuild the motor so what you do in the motor
I fixed the things that were leaking
right
there was a thermostat gasket
well it was always a voltage regulator
but it was always the passenger
valve cover gasket that's basically
that's yeah so close to building motors
at 16 at 16 years old
that was the thing I was driving but however
you could not do
16 year old kid things
in a 76 Ford
f100 long wheelbase
360
with turn downs on it
yeah the turn downs
story
and it wore out rag joint and so like that
it's like I'm going an hour
away to like other towns to like
hang out with friends and stuff like that you can't do
that in a truck around that and some mufflers
some turbo mufflers and you could do some things
back there so
when the next vehicle when it was like hey
it's about time to you go
you know senior year is going to college
well the probe came right
after that probe didn't last long right and then
the Civic came in
this is just your mode of
transportation drive
and then instantly I was like well this is what I got
how do you make this cool right
when I was 16
I wasn't even into like wanting
an older American car what I
wanted was a
Selene or a Cobra R
like if I could get a Fox body Selene
or the newer Cobra R
Fox body Cobra R that was the red
the red newer Cobra R
SN95
SN95 would be
the next channel
94
93 Fox
94 that's a bad motherfucker that car
you go to Stone Mountain Georgia and that
thing would pull in and you're like
that like if money was
no object whatever that those two
the Selene Fox body
or the Cobra R
that car was Ferrari level though
when it was out holy shit it was awesome
awesome
that was the kind of things I was into
like that
that's a Polo shirt the big block
Stripes
Hilfiger Polo
yeah that's rugby shirt
yeah rugby shirt that's what I was thinking
Hilfiger rugby shirt yeah
some some big gas
jeans right the case was
yeah the jeans just
had just perfectly wore in where you still had
him on the front
fringe on the back
yeah in the case with fuck yeah
and
a big ass stick to beat it off
of me just being thrown at you
here have some of mine
and I will say
no body kits none of that like
that was never my thing no your performance
just performance and
lowered and looks cool clean
I mean back in the
day-day you literally could do a
thing
like when they're doing a lot of import
importing of the motors you could do a
non V-tech dual overhead cam
like B-18 motor you could
buy one of those for like
700 bucks
low mileage
you can do like
either junkyard like Mitsubishi
turbo and make a manifold or you could do some
eBay stuff and all that
for like
less than $2,000 you could have it running
and if you worked real hard you could have it done
in a weekend and then you were making some
pretty stupid fucking
power and then you didn't
have enough money to buy upgraded CVs
because that was the first thing I was going to go
and eat the CVs
actually the O'Reilly CVs
they held
the warranty thing was always
you put a new set in for a weekend and go out
and race and blow them and take them back
and get them swapped on Monday
with the inner the outer let loose
it was the inner usually
so it wasn't as violent?
no but it was
well it could be though if it falls down
and you know pole vaults you up off the road
okay
they generally hit the subframe in there
and just made a lot of noise
but it was never like a
holy shit it's blowing up it was like
a on and ping off
fuck that's gone damn it
but you could swap them out quick especially when you get used to it
because all the things that you remember
the things that you just didn't reinstall
like all your inner shields and all your plastics
like that
usually the stub
like at the where the spline
stop it would shear it there
they clip in or they
so after they sheared
how'd you get them out
fuck how did we get those out
they just
and then you just pop the other half
of it out and then there's the nut
on the other side
oh you go through
to pop the other half up
there
I think dude
honestly I think you owe it to yourself
I want to see you
with Jody in one of these things
Jody have one today
she wants one right now
I'd love to see it
she wants one right now
what was the driving position was it
up on the shit was it like a
race answer were you rolling
was it more like a
Jody was laid back
was it like I'm getting
like gasser style
like the shifters like I'm up on the
I'm getting ready to fucking launch this thing
I had you rolling
depends on what you're
if you're cruising you roll the seat so
you're racing
the seat stays in the same position
regardless of the activities you're doing
right seats down
seats down in cool position
the way it's cool
headrest popped out
always this is way cooler
keep in mind these had factory
rickarros too
this is a race car
now you guys are seeing some cool shit
the seat is always laid back
but now I change
my body position based
on the activity that's going on
and those activities change you're just cruising
having fun listening to music
you kind of find yourself
laying back in that thing
now you're on the interstate
just maybe do a spirited driving
fucking around with some friends or whatever
you start getting back up in it
so you can give that thing a little
it's five speed
yeah of course
you know how you
look at the Honda guys
from an American muscle car
from your ivory tower
and your GI Joe
and all my hot rods
from the bow of the GI Joe
the GI Joe aircraft
that's the way
that's the way Honda guys
looked at fellow Honda guys with
automatics
it had to be a manual
it had to be a manual
drag race time
all I would do is
go up two notches on the sleet
still leave it laid back
still leave it laid back
yeah
and then
like a joystick
like a drag out
was it the weighted one
no I didn't like the weighted one
what the hell are you talking about
they had a weighted shifter
no they had a weighted shifter
skunk too
was that right?
the titanium looking ball
on the top
just so it would
had some momentum
going back
it was kind of clunky
but
never
lift on the gas
flat shift the whole way
if you could have
unlimited budget
the perfect survivor car
not modified
what would the ultimate import be right now
I'm a sucker
for an EG hatch
I like
I like the
the 90
5 to
what is an EG?
that's the body style of the hatchback Civic
so it's a Civic
it's like Del Sol
no this is a Civic hatchback
pull it up
I'm torn between
the 92 to 95 body style
or the 96 and up I don't like the 98
body style
who does
the EG hatch
that was the car that was in the shop
that was mine
a buddy of mine that actually works for me now
we worked together
at that other hot rod shop
he bought that car for me
it's basically a truck
that's like your quintessential
little ripper thing
I like more of
a little
where did these go?
the only good ones
are popping up all over for 30,000 bucks
I want an Integra
I really like to have an Integra
Integra Type R
it wouldn't have to be a Type R
but I'd like an American Type R
would be fine
what was the Prelude that had to do with exhaust?
there was a
gym teacher
the
trainer
in high school had one
the Prelude or
the S2000
I think it was the Prelude but it had dual exhaust
it was like a little sporty
square around it
it had like a little sharpish edges
usually
on the left
this body style
fifth gen Prelude
flow
no lie
I know you're going to give me some shit
you remember
H22 swaps
so H22 was the engine
that came out of the Prelude
2.2 liter
it was a big block
it literally is the big block equivalent
of doing a Honda swap
most of these cars came with 1.6 liters
the swap to a dual red cam was a 1.8 liter
then you get dual red cam versus single red cam
huge
you're going 105 horsepower to 185 horsepower
just for an engine swap
you go up to the 2.2 liter
220 horsepower
stock
a good built H22
you can get into the
480 to 520 horsepower
that's no joke
then in a civic hatchback
stripped interior no backseat
that motor went into those cars
you're running
you're running
low tens to high nines
and it's a completely streetable car
but
that feeling
of front-wheel drive with that much power
uncontrollable
it's controllable but it's
so much fun because it's so scary
it's not like you can't do it
it's fucking violent
like a lot of torque steer
but interstate runs
the amount of fun that you can have
in interstate because of the torque
and the downshifting that you can do
when you get into those numbers
now you're making power
I'm not going to knock that
like anything that goes fast
short of big power
like 8900 horsepower
Lancers
and evos that just launch like a cat
those make you sick like your damn RS6 used to do
right
an H22
swapped with a blower or a turbo
in a civic or whatever
is some of the most fucking
you would think
driving an old 80's NASCAR on the street
would be it's that loud and that violent
that's always what I thought
that's where hot rodding started
take a Model T
and put a flathead in it
or one of those new
small block Chevy's
put that in a Model A or something
that's the same thing
the thing too when you have them just like
on the fucking ground
you just about
can't lose the ass end
no matter what you do
the fucking wheels are turning in the back
how the fuck are you going to
and there are only 6 inches from the front wheels
I'm talking about like when you're doing stupid shit
like on an on-ramp
it's just going to push and
wash the front end out
it never fucking pushes right
if you're in the fucking throttle it won't fucking push
sure it's fucking not over steering
you can get the back end to start coming out
with the emergency
no without doing anything because it's so fucking light
and it's pulling, it just comes out
but it's like
it's so fucking controllable you just pull through
because the rear wheels aren't spinning
I can try to autocross it
yeah it's going to push the front end
like you're not
it's fun
super fun
yeah I mean I got a lot of seat time
in a Chrysler LeBaron
so I know a thing or two about front wheels
not a lot of power but I know how to make the car rotate
handbrake
oh yeah
handbrake
just handbrake
you ever have to do some adjustments
on the handbrake because it wouldn't yank
in as hard as it used to
no it was probably the best
a lot of subframe adjustments
a lot of unibody adjustments
good thing about stripping the interior
basically Civic was like a Volkswagen it's so easy
you strip the interior out
at the drag strip up at Union Grove
those dudes would show up and pull the whole interior
assemble the whole fucking car
they're just stacked
were there some fast ones out there?
not back then we didn't have any
there were no fast imports out this way
back in that day it was just
big ass exhaust tips
and like you know bolt on stuff
you had no fast
nothing
which is probably I think how I've grown to formulate
that opinion like if it's fast I'm down with
like it's cool
I got a buddy right now I'm sure he's listening
because he listens to all of them
he's a real stereo guy right
we used to
make a lot of money
with the shop Civic
hatchback street racing
downtown Birmingham because everybody's like
it's a Civic it's not going to do anything
fun times
I don't know if I'd have a Civic again
there's a couple of them I'd like to have a Prelude
I mean I'd like to have an Integra
we're the Del Sol and
my wife had one that's where
that's where
I just said
they're for women
it's just a car I remember
I know you always bring it up
that green Del Sol
did you ever dye your eyebrows
or hair to match your car
no but
bleach blonde hair you know
frosted tips
unbelievable
I'm getting that picture from Jody
somebody else
act your legend
it was cool
that was basically a Cadillac
that was more like a Ferrari
I want an Acura Legend
big time
those got to be bringing pretty good money
doesn't Ludacris still have his
or something
this was about as
pimp as could be
it looks like a car
so cool
I was wrong
I thought you were talking about a different
I think Ludacris
had one of those when he was coming up
and then he still has it
I think Acura might have
restored it for him or something
we had
Twin Vietnamese brothers
the wins
check out the 90's Toyota
Paseo otherwise known as the Sprocket
Fen this was
Fen's mode of transportation
this was a fucking unit dude
I know
I know the car you're talking about
look at that
look at that thing
it was a Japanese Cavalier
kind of like an MR2 just not
yeah it was dubbed the Sprocket
Sprocket
there's a thing at NoCoast now
where most of the guys working there
have these little hatchback just commuter cars
to get back and forth where everybody has cool stuff too
but
what was the thing that Riley just got
a Prius
but it's a little miniature
it looks like a roller skate
it looks like a little roller skate
it's like a miniature Prius
and like half of the guys there have little hatchbacks
little hatchback wagon things
cause a lot of them drive like an hour or more
to get to the shop every day
we didn't hit your first start
no we didn't, next one
you graduated a year earlier than him
you guys went to high school
you're born and raised in Nebraska boys
yep
I don't know why
it's Ranchero
I'm just going Ranchero
Ranchero that's what you're guessing
Ranchero's didn't live in the Midwest
they didn't survive
didn't survive
okay
second gen
Dakota Quad Cab
Hunter Green
Dakota
you got something on the
not the quad cab's odd
nobody had a quad cab
extended cab
rounded one
rounded one
when you say Dakota I think square
I forget about the rounded one
then the SRT
hand me down family car
something you purchased
my dad bought it for me
is it something you aspired to have
or it was your transportation
I didn't really aspire to have it
until he threw the idea
out there then I got really excited about it
as I guess any kid would with a first car
right
man I don't know
a Laguna
that's pretty close
but that's not it
I don't know man this is a complex one
if you're hung up you're hung up
Pontiac Bonneville
it is not a Pontiac Bonneville
it's a Chevy product
Monte Carlo
that's pretty close too
but that's not right
still a Monte Carlo
I think it's
the 1990s era
I don't think it was that old
I think it was 90s
it wasn't
damn it
fire away we're lost
Caprice
72 Nova
that was the first one then
just interestingly enough
I have a picture of it
it wasn't
it was running and driving
not very good
and that's me with
Jinko's on
and a Jinko T-shirt
and I still have that shirt
anyway
it did run and drive but poorly
I mean that was a $600 car
in 1999 when I got it
oh damn
wouldn't have guessed it man
I still have it it's the one that's at his shop
that's you know
that's badass car I love X-Body
Nova's Phil's a big fan too
Phil's not a fan of Nova's
I don't like him
oh sorry about that
Phil makes a lot of wisecracks about Nova's
I know we have a buddy back at home
that does too he says just a cheap ass Chevelle
Phil's averse
to sexy shapes and cool cars
it's just something it's like
X-Body Nova
is the nastiest
probably the nastiest looking muscle car
when you put skinnies on the front
you bury the nose with a fat ass
tire on it that is just
the toughest looking muscle car
it looks like a chick bent over
and it's going to be an old school build
a solid lifter rectangle
port big block with a
rock crusher
all old school stuff
what I didn't have that I wanted
should have done an H-22 swap
in the Civic it could be the same thing
just like that big block and a rock crusher
same visceral experience
alright man pass the whiskey over
we do need a refill
next question
most memorable law enforcement interaction story
oh
I guess
that would probably be a few years back
we were all at the shop
appreciating a bunch of buddies
we were putting together
my shovel head Harley
and
a few of the buddies had
some drinks
and they were laying around in the shop
and we've got another buddy
that he had a
I don't know what was that
1100 horsepower
ZR1
oh
what year is ZR1
C7
yeah I think
yeah it was
so he comes pulling up
and he's got another Z06
same color and I didn't think much of it
but I was like man I think it sounds pretty rowdy tonight
so
found out it was the ZR1
and he's hanging out with us
I don't know it was one or two o'clock in the morning
he doesn't drink
but
next thing you know
he takes off from the shop
one o'clock two o'clock in the morning
we could hear him for three four miles away
spirited driving right?
yeah spirited driving
and sitting there for an hour or so
then I don't know everybody else cleared out
about a half hour later
so I'm like alright time for me to leave
I'm locking up the shop
trucks sitting out there running
here comes two cops
like oh we got reports
there's this yellow car coming
flying by here
I don't know yeah I heard something
I don't know what that was
I don't know what that was
he's like well what are you doing here so late
well working on stuff
well is this your shop?
so take him in
walk in kind of forgot that there was
50 beer cans all over the place
and
there's two of them him and his partner
they're shining lights everywhere
and I think I walked them around the shop
turned all the lights back on for about an hour and a half
they're talking to me trying to see if I'm
you know if I partake
to that and
let me go
so
yeah
could have been worse
could have been way worse
what about you
oh with law enforcement?
how do we get into some trouble with that nova at some point
well okay if we want to get into that
I think you need to tell the other one
which one
55 one
I don't know
I'm getting off from it
the 55 one
oh no that's not a great
we can't tell that one
it'll incriminate someone
no
anyway
the nova one time
me and a buddy of mine
Spike
is his name
if you guys come to wheel hub you'll meet Spike
he works at the museum
I don't remember what we did
we were doing something to the car and we went out
you know you thought you were like super tuning
something let me bump
the ignition timing two degrees
be careful
careful
we were out driving
and this v8 powered
s10 pulled up next to me
and it's like of course
it's game on you can't not race
and it was like a Tuesday night
or something you know not a normal
night to be out cruising around doing that stuff
and we raced definitely
or at least I thought
I was racing you know whatever
with my probably
300 horsepower 350
that was not fast at all
but I don't know maybe it was more
but anyway open headers I never ever had exhaust
sounded like it was going fast it did it definitely did
and we got pulled over
and the s10 kept going
I think he probably ended up beating me I don't know
as 20 years ago
and the quote that I
remember is the cop came up
and he says man that thing sounds
pretty good
fucking right and I was like yeah
I know don't give me a ticket please
and then he gave me my license
and stuff back and he says I know you were just getting ready
to go home and not
you know be out driving around and doing that
shit anymore right I was like that's exactly
how did you know that's exactly right
and I it was
like that you know he intimidated me a little bit
scared the shit out of me and then said
go home and quit doing that shit
so that's the best
story
you think they have a class on that
for cops yeah
yeah because at a certain age or whatever
it's kind of like intimidation
and yeah oh just trying to scare the
shit out of some punks yeah or
instead of him them up with a thing
whatever it's best to be like
this is your chance you might have gotten another chance
but this is your chance from me
I'm gonna remember this car
probably best that you go put it up
and I did yeah definitely did that
that night
yeah until the next day
I can't be working again the same night
the next night
next up
favorite car movie
whoever
mine's too late black top
fuck you
well
as of recently it's Ford vs Ferrari
but there's
I mean there's so many of them
I mean
gotta say fast and furious just because it's so
quotable
hold on just a second
did you all go to the theaters and see that
movie remember how
everyone was tearing ass out of the parking lot
we cruised the parking lot for like months
yeah anyway
sorry Ben
first
movie that I saw that I
really decided that I like custom cars
was a weird one
boys in the hood
ice cube
63 in that
nothing harder than that car
damn
what was it blood in blood out
bomb by honor was that the name of the movie
the Vatos Locos forever
was that the name of the movie
blood in blood out
it was a lowrider movie
sort of a gang banger LA based
a lot of lowrider stuff
in it lowrider culture
definitely sparked
interest in cars for sure
loved a lot of the lowriders but
the ice cubes in that
it was like survivor lowrider
right because it
stockish stockish
just whip I mean the
the shorty antennas on the quarters and
hydraulics and wires and you're like
oh shit that's cool like
yeah in Alabama
it was like oh there's nobody
I know that there's like full panel paint
you know it's like that but
I can find a 63 in Palo in good shape
for really cheap like that's
attainable I can do that
and it's like the first
you know even before there was done in
muscle cars and street rides it was like
damn things it's a stock fucking car
but like wheels and hydros that things
cool as shit I feel like lowriders were
so influential
to me that it's I've got to
have one at some I will have one
I will because it's
a representation of a culture
it's not just a car or a hobby
or a sport or any of that it's like
you know that
Southern California thing
back then even locally here
it was the only like growing up around
body chops and stuff it was the only sort of
exposure that I ever had to
like an actual car culture
there was the import scene was like it was
it wasn't a culture it was some
like kids that
it was yeah they threw
a fucking muffler on the car it wasn't like a culture
more of a fad probably yeah that
was the only thing that really had
car culture like there were guys that were
genuinely into it
and they were genuinely customizing
they were doing things to them
you're still on a like 78 money right
like training day car
I mean I just you compound that
to that me liking that car yeah
but like I mean the
60s and Paul is there obviously the
your go to
but I would do yeah 79
78 79 Monte Carlo
would be what gets it for me
the office
you're in the office baby isn't that what he says
yeah I just I just watched it
again
probably three weeks ago
I found myself watching that movie like
two or three times a year
you could probably watch it tonight and enjoy it really
oh yeah 100% well
I do I will say
I started watching
by happenstance
couple weeks ago I didn't finish it
vanishing point
for the first time terrible movie
but there's cool shit
yeah I will give
where did you find that to even watch it
it's on
Amazon Prime is it really
yeah two lane black
you can't get on any streaming service
so really yeah
did I didn't know this
I know you're gonna make fun of me that's fine I can be
I can be go ahead I can be vulnerable
yeah you it's a safe place
so flipping through
and there's a video
of now I forget the band
who's the band that did their music
video
like the movie vanishing point they got the white
challenger and they're doing
no idea what you're talking about
I know what you're talking about but I can't it's ever
cherry
ever
ever clear
no hold on
let's find it you're gonna know the
you said ever I thought
I don't know what you're talking about
and music
I can't drive
55
the doors
vanishing point
efficient in this road
it wasn't the gorillas
because they kind of had one similar to that but
it was
was it the gorillas?
they had a 69 Camaro that was cruising around
this was no this was a white challenger
okay well maybe it was a challenger
yeah like a 70 challenger
71 maybe
uh
damn somebody's listening to this right now and thinking
you guys are stupid
that comment's gonna come up like
the gorillas was right up there that's not what you're thinking of
it's not that
cause that one was
damn
comment below if you know
hold on
let's do this
audio slave
audio slave
that's how good my google skills are
josh google's things
like
what's the name of the
what's the name of the uh
video with car
what's the name of the song
video with car
what's the name of the song
it's got one
hang on I'll get back to it
show me how to live
good song
do you know this Jeremy
I don't think I've ever saw the music video
oh you did once you see it you'll know
uh
we gotta turn your stuff down so it's not loud
and they'll have to cut this out
so anyway the whole video is that
I didn't know I saw the music video
then I had to google what like what is that
and it was like oh that's vanishing point
shit it's pretty cool now
I started watching it and then I was like
yeah the little clip that's in the music video
was way cooler but
it's a tough watch
I mean it's a cool car
you have to love cars to watch it
it's tough
but I'm giving it
I'll finish it
the uh
audio slave
that's what I was thinking
it's not like a van that comes up
like in a lot of discussions
next up the
car build
unlimited budget
you can build anything
but you're paying somebody to build it
with unlimited funds
unlimited funds
what's the what's the build
and who's doing it
fiero
uh
uh
with a sideways 305
and a tunnel ram or what
so yeah
so that's a weird
one for me
George Poteet actually asked me that same question
a couple years ago at one of the wheel hub deals
you were like me
no
but I
that's a hard one because I like
so much different stuff
but
does the builder have to be alive
right now or could it be any builder
with past or present
with the level of funds that you have
for this you can bring it back
there's new technologies
so you can bring this back
anything you want
sky's the limit
no boundaries
do we have boundaries
Josh was thinking boundaries
no it's good
bring Bill Hines back
and have him drop the top
that's fine
so I honestly would say
probably a 32
3 window
have you guys
build some crazy ass chassis
and
collaborate with
Troy
we said unlimited budget
not that unlimited
not that unlimited
well
I'm just kidding
get it
BBT Troy right
you call him Troy heavy
Troy heavy
it'd be interesting to see what Troy does
with the 32 now
I wonder how he'd approach one
well that's the thing
he's got a one up himself now
that's a tough car
to do
to crazy love
I'm fended
you're like that customer that wants to make all the decisions
even though they just hired the best of the best
to build the car
that one would just
I want this thing on the ground
and I want to blown v12
but I don't want to extend the hood sides
and I need to stretch my legs out
stock wheel based
I don't like these things stretched
no
that'd be cool
yeah
fender 32
but it would have to be some crazy chassis
that nobody had ever
even thought of
kind of like
vintage base modernized
vintage base maybe modernized
kind of like what you guys did with devilins
okay yeah just something
yeah
outside the box
JDM front engine
well yeah
age 22 that's the
you know
how you tackle that
what about you
mine's going to be a mix of new and old
and speaking of Bill Hines I absolutely
would bring him back from the dead and have him
do some lead work to it
but the builder
it would have to be like a dream team of builders
nothing wrong with that
we've compiled some bit
some teams in the past
Sam Barris is doing the chop
it's going to be a 49 Merc
or actually never mind
I'm going to do a 37 Zephyr
instead
what do we say about Zephyr's
Zephyr's cool
or 38 Zephyr
whatever I can find on marketplace
that day
37 to 41
Zephyr I guess
probably
or maybe a 40 Merc
I don't know something like that a custom
for sure
I'm coming up with this
answer as I'm talking about it
but Sam Barris is doing the chop
because he was one of the first
guys to do that I want Bill Hines
involved for sure
I'll probably smoke a cigar
with him you know too
and I met him
you will whether you smoke one or not
that's true
he's like working with my old man
you're smoking
you're smoking or not
I would want some modern stuff
like a modern chassis
but I don't want to see it
I want you to not even know
all this stuff is there
in on a custom like that
it's a lot easier to do
because it's all covered up
has to have 15 inch wheels though
probably wide whites
being something like that
yeah
yeah it's something
super cool like that
super comfortable interior
you can drive anywhere you want
no air ride though
that's the only thing no air
just sit it low
we talk about the Zephyr a lot
and I wonder
I've brought this up before
and I feel like a Zephyr is almost like
I'm going to compare it to
oysters or caviar
get some oysters
I fucking love oysters
because it's so
exotic
and sort of
it's a little bit unobtainium
but you're like at the same time
you're like do you know I really like fucking oysters
I don't know
I don't know
these are good yeah I fucking love oysters
they're the best
because you can't have them
but then once you get them
you're like there's just something about a Zephyr
you might go for a cheeseburger
so that
I get it
that's exactly what we've talked about
it's like
it's a little weird looking
but it's still there's some cool shit about it
it's almost like a
I get what you're going with it
I think that possibly a better analogy is
spaghetti mibbles
spaghetti mibbles
spaghetti mibbles
this is going to be way worse
this is going to be way worse
but you'll try
in the sense of a laugh
like a stripper
you're like
oh fuck that's cool
fucking tits and stuff
but you don't ever find yourself leaving
after you've looked at that
you know what I'd like to take home and have
to own is a stripper
right
you don't find yourself searching out
and trying to procure
a Zephyr
but you really like looking at the Zephyr
when you're at the show and you're like oh man that's cool
and that's cool and stuff
it leads me personally I don't look at
there's a long list of cars that are on the list
that I would like to own one day
and the Zephyr's not on the top
20 for me
there's some customs on there
you know what I'm saying
I'll say this
the one with hot rods and hobbies
just won't head it out
that's a really good looking car
but it sort of almost reminds me of the muscular dude
in the wheelchair
on Family Guy
there's like a portion of it that's like
dude it's badass
and then there's another part of it that's like
something's not right
you know what I mean
is this getting cut out
I get it
possibly the best analogy
whether you like it or not
a really good analogy
because I see it now
I see it in the car
because it's almost like
I mean I could keep going with this
but I don't think it's good for
I don't stop
you don't want me to stop
then it's more like okay
what's the part that's fucked up on the dude in Family Guy
and then tell me what
do you want me to keep going
or should we shut it down
I think you should
because it's more of
it's like something to communicate
but it's almost like
he got knocked out of the wheelchair
and he's walking
on his arm
and you're like fuck that's badass he's muscular
then you see the back and you're like
damn
that's the back of the car
I'm glad you did it
because that makes it
it's like a bulldog
it's like a bulldog that's dragons legs
I've never had it
it's a cartoon dude
he's not gonna fucking get pissed
I'm not the guy behind Family Guy
I didn't fucking do that
it's a fucking cartoon
there's nobody to get mad
lots of people get mad about Family Guy
you kidding me
somebody listening
will totally agree with that
and you're right about that
but I think a Zephyr is one of those things
like
unobtainment is the perfect word
and I almost did buy one of those one time
what year was that one
we were gonna buy it and park it in front of the shop
it was a 40
the one you'd probably want
and
I don't even remember why we didn't buy it
we were gonna
me and another friend and Ben
I think we were gonna go three ways
and just put it in front of the shop
it was like 15 grand I think is what they wanted for the car
just for fun
and wait until somebody comes along and says
oh my god build that for me
you know like have him build it
and I don't remember
why we didn't buy it
but I was always thinking god dang it
I don't even remember what happened
maybe somebody beat us to it
we were thinking too long or something
it was like god dang it we should have bought that
I got a new question
then I just
we're gonna spitball this and see
we're gonna go around the horn
quick this is you don't need to give this a lot of thought
this is just first thing that comes to your mind
we could keep coming back to this one
cause it would probably change
you've got
you got $210,000
it's a very specific number
you gotta buy two cars
$200,000 for one car
$10,000 for the other car
what's the two cars
$355,000
$355,000 Ferrari
I'm just firing it
$355,000 Ferrari on one
and I'm buying a van with another $10,000
probably early 70s
early 70s Econoline
that's already got a small block
$302,000 something in it
short shorty
fill
that's just like boom boom
I could think through it and probably give you a million answers
but
right off tip my tongue
you can't think about it
I'm trying to do the math
what cars are $200,000
just get close
I don't know
so you get no cars
feel like it's no cars
we're gonna save your $210,000
for the next question
you get $420,000
$420,000 is easier
what's $420,000
you can buy a lot better cars with that
there's gotta be something there
it's a perfect
because somebody's giving it to you
there's always the
you can spend it recklessly
that's the thing
because if you're like oh man I really want this
but it's $280,000
that's too much to spend on a car
this gives you the things that you shouldn't buy
I get the concept
how many bad decisions
have you thought about making
a lot which is the problem
we talked about a lot
9,000 emails back and forth
we said a ton
97 Viper GTS
that's 100
what's another 110
what
I'm gonna go
like
95
F-150
as a daily
that's the 10,000
extended cab
the problem is that's a clapped out one
because for a good one
you're gonna spend about $18,000
or the $200,000 on the good one
$280,000
it has 190,000 miles on it
I've been to those lately
the bigger dollar one
I'm gonna throw
C7
Z06
modded though
with a pro charger
that's a fun car
that's a good car
nice little combo
so I think just because
this is in that price range
I would go 99
Nissan GT-R
that's $200,000
they're actually more
that's probably a little clapped out one
you're gonna have to find one that's a little rougher
but it gets one
so that's the Tokyo Drift one
that's not
that's like that style
and then
because obviously there's more expensive cars
that I would buy
that's why this is a sweet spot
number
but for the 10,000
and this is also gonna be a little clapped out too
but a 05
3.25 ton with barn doors
05
with the 8.1 or 6.0
6.0 later
what gets you on the 05
05, 07
steering wheel controls
I guess it could be 03 to
07
the most important thing I think he's looking for
is barn doors
because you can put a forklift
load the back of it with a forklift
instead of having the overhead gate
bumping the
they just look like shit though
you load a lot of barn doors
you need to load a lot of forkliftable things
in the back of your suburb
Tahoe right now
what are you loading there
all sorts of shit
pick up truck
well I got that too
but that's basically a pickup truck
with a built-in topper
and it can haul kids
he can pull jet skis
odd year range
for me I don't track with the year range
because I feel like the people are
people are attracted to the
either the OBS
or the square body era
these are better though
I don't know what about them
what year was the one we had
what's it a GMT-800
GMT-800
someone had the like the Denali had the rounded grille
and whatever
it's like some shit cousin Mike
he would roll up and be like
but they're reliable
they had the L.S.
you know they was pre-DoD
crap they'll go 400,000 miles
I drive one every day
that has 350,000 miles
do you really? yes I do
what's your
what's your picks
me?
I don't even know what cost
200,000
a really pimped out brand new
diesel truck I guess it's got to be almost
200 grand
you can get there pretty quick
and then
$10,000 one
I don't know
I'm going to say like a 2001
Duramax
would that be
an LB7
not even a diesel guy
the only reason I would do this
yeah I know but I don't need to so I'm going to get rid of this one
and just to mess with my friend Clint
$10,000 prank
I would drag it
I would drag it through his front yard
with my sweet new diesel
and leave it there because he wants one of those
really bad because they're pre-DGR
I love a $10,000 prank
I'm here for that
if I hit the lottery
all my friends are going to get messed with so bad
it's going to be so ridiculous
I'll be broke within three months
definitely
Josh you had some time now to think about this
I really wasn't thinking
what we made it around the table
$48,000
it's going to be half some miles on it so we just get to
fuck with it right because it's
$48,000
and then I'll try to
swindle a
it'll be fucking clapped too
but you know what
probably a square body lightning
for $10,000?
there's going to have $700,000
that's an F-150 with lightning stickers
that might be $30,000
nowadays or something like that
you can get pretty good for $14,000 and $15,000
and $16,000 so I was thinking
with a little bit of miles on it
$48,000 for under $200,000
yeah with miles on them you can get them for $199,000
right now
they got another $1,000
I'm not saying it's going to be fucking pristine
but there's a couple of damn
wrapped ones and you know they got
fucking dumb shit done
so Josh is driving with nothing
both of his choices are fucked
neither one of those are drivable
probably not but it's fuck around money
it'll change next week
this is the point of the exercise
I don't think your $355,000
is actually going to be a cherry for $200,000
you can get an F1 shift
you can get a fucking ripper unit
they're not valuable, the six-speed is valuable
I would want the six-speed
it's going to be red with tan interior
it works on that car
I'd take it, I'd take it
does anybody ever
pull the rug right up
at that point
did anybody ever pull the rug right up
out from under your feet on this show
and switch to margaritas
made margaritas?
we drank tequila
we brought a whole shitload of margaritas
Ben's wrote routine
well not every day
once a week, twice a week
once or twice a week
he'll have a cut water they're called
have you guys ever had those
they're convenient
I've had the Bloody Mary's
he's tried every single one
I haven't tried every single one
he's tried all several times
they're handy
if you're out
in the summer they're great
you don't have to mix a cocktail
these are great
they'll get you a little buzz going
you probably don't want to get into two or three
oh yeah, this is just like a glass of bourbon
pretty much
but this dude
this guy's not having to buy a
he doesn't have a $210,000
car budget
the cut water
these were the first dudes that
it popped out with the cans
mixed drinks
yeah, non
seltzers
more tequila
I'm not supposed to be drinking tequila
that's gonna be bad
you look crazy
nah, tequila makes it
it's been a heartburn
yeah, messing with me bad
just out of nowhere
well you should have said that and then just not drank it
no, I don't care, this is all a
it's just not who you are to turn down a drink
nah, no
that is good for
honesty is always the best
they should sponsor this podcast
they absolutely should
I'm sure these guys are fucking crushing it
like I said
what's $250,000 a year just to sponsor you guys or something
that's nothing for this shit
that's what I mean
I just think of the return on that
do they do any whiskey cocktails?
do you like a highball?
we already changed the name to Al
they do it in old fashion, I think
yeah, they do it in old fashion
I would say personally, stay away from
Moscow mule, tastes just like
don't talk shit like that about the new sponsor
I'm just saying
you could flip that W upside down
so easy, just be OM
oil and margaritas, it'd be easy
OM, I thought was Old Milwaukee
has to be off that here
but the
Bloody Mary's are handy
because Bloody Mary is kind of a pain in the ass to make
they're not
it's not going to be as authentic as
handmade like you fucking
grind up all the ingredients
but it's great
road trip and stuff
that's a bottle
if you really get into that
and like
I got another question
I've grown bored of all this
fucking
margarita
cool, Bloody Mary's
blender, no blender
Bloody Mary's are better than your Bloody Mary's
no budget
you can buy any
build that's been built
in the last 10 years
I like that, that's a good question
that's the second intelligent thing
you've done today
you're fucking
what was the other one?
you're having a hell of a week
good fucking day
we had a little product
we had a little product
email exchange that Josh
lended some insight to
you're having a big day
what happened
did you have some
crazy happen last night
something like
I ate you
so much
the email that came back around
Josh is a fucking idiot
wait I think we should read the email
I think we should read the email
I'll read the email
this is just to keep
well no I think you should
I think it's important to keep
we've talked about this before that
honesty
your best friends you give them the most shit
100%
in this group
between the three of us
it's ruthless dude
so you're fairly decent friends
there's even things
there's even things that
happen amongst
only two people
that then there's a pact made to hide it from the third one
because it's so bad you're like
nope that's between me and you
that goes nowhere
so there's a
product thing
look I'll start it with this
we're working on something that I started
and I'm me and Mike
O'Brien our lead engineer here
we're working on
and me and Mike talked back and forth
and we came up with a concept
and you know
your initial idea isn't always the best
it's good to get an outsider's point of view
you know the third party
so Josh and I think you were copied on it
and then our CNC department
I was out of the shop this morning
Josh jumped in
and then sort of reimagined it
and then this is where we landed
well I just
I just had a couple questions
to Mike and then we started brainstorming
about something
so we left he was gonna re-look
at a couple things on possibilities if this happened
well the next email came from Mike
the lead engineer
back to the same group from the first email
all
Josh just came into my office and told me my original
design sucked
then he goes through
this new design that
well won't bore everybody with
on my end you might want to just
change some of the wording
sorry he wrote it
it's an email you have to deal with the consequences
I'll tweak it
I'm pretty good
run it through chat GPT
so Jeremy emails back
after reading this concept to all the group
right Jeremy says
Mike sending this just to you
and not copying Josh
just shocked that for as
our word
as he is
that he came up with a decent idea
he must have stolen this idea from someone
or something it's just
very seldom that he has any remotely good ideas
at any rate
I'll probably come up and make a few styling tweaks
so I can claim it as my own
otherwise all good
although I was copied obviously
on that email
it sounds so much better if I just read it
like it was said
at the end of the day though this is a really good product
it's a great product
I commend you Josh had
a fucking awesome idea
and this thing is a banger
between Josh and Mike
we've got something
we've got lightning in the bottle here
I'm going to have to have Elia
what you thought
was a compliment
dude that is two
good ideas today
what is wrong with you
you're having a big day
big day for Josh
so anybody at any point in time
no particular order
build
that somebody else has built
over the last 10 years
not going to be hard on fast on that
because we probably can't remember the last 10 years but
not going to go back to fucking ancient times
no budget what's the build
that you could buy
I'm guessing one of them is going to be one
that's probably been mentioned on this show earlier
I think for me it's easy
the G4's CUDA
was the most
influential build to me
it was the most inspiring
hit home with me
I'm fucking taking that
but I'm taking it from Bob Johnson
not Doug Cooper
because Doug's going to be like
I feel like Doug's going to be like
you know that was my car
you know
no he's a New Yorker
sorry
if it came off as Boston
it definitely did
G4's for sure
you got to go softer on the
can't hang
don't get Zach into that
tomorrow
tomorrow
I'm
that's a fucking banger dude
there's no question about it
that's probably
it's the muscle car
it hasn't been
I don't think it's been top
correct me if I'm wrong
no I don't think so
that sets the bar
from it
I'm a
go ahead
it's going to sound stupid
what
good catch
good catch
I agree
I don't think that the G4's
CUDA has been topped
however I can make this statement
because this was pre my time
as far as the concept
I do think that the
road rage
slash rampage concept
I'm going to mix that together
rampage
rampage
gives it a pretty
close fucking second
I can say that
it was pre my time so I don't care
I agree with that
different builds
completely different builds
that's the thing
apples and oranges
apples and oranges
but I would have to say
very similar if not
tied for pushing
the envelope a certain amount
at the given time
right
that's cool
even for a fucking
no honestly that's the third
you're having a week
like I've never seen
seriously it's only Wednesday
you're hitting your stride man
you're hitting your stride
I mean how could you one up what you've done already today
I'm like fuck up
bad tomorrow
and you know what that's the other thing about these front doors
somebody needs to do something with this
now that's cool
grandmaster
oh yeah
just because that was
for me
and that
solidified it for me
that you know you could make a career of this
and more than the impression
you think
yeah I think the grandmaster
I don't know something
something about the grandmaster
yeah
yeah grandmaster was one that was
such an exaggeration of proportions
that also worked so well
like to be so
borderline cartoonish
in the proportions
but it also be like
well that's a car not like it
it's interesting when you're taking cars that aren't
necessarily what you would
you wouldn't call them beautiful right
interesting cars not beautiful
70 to 73
kuda it's sort of a sexy car
has sex to it
so that's a car that's just
it's got nothing going for it
to make it beautiful
35 Chevrolets
would you
try to enjoy it
with some
small driving or would it be the museum
piece to look at his art
I think that's just a museum piece
piece of art
yeah
what about you
that's so hard
that's
I mean I could make maybe a top 10
list
out of the top 10 if you had to pick one
it's just the first one that comes to your mind right now
I can tell you one of the cars on the top 10 list
would be the sick fish kuda
definitely
and the reason is because the time
changed the game
and more than once
you know
and who I was when I first saw it
I knew just enough about cars
when that rides tv show came out
that I was like
I get this a little bit
and I know
who this guy is that is having
this car built and I had already
seen chicane in person before
that and so I was like
what a segue
I know who that guy is
that is building this car
because I shook his hand at you know
as a 13 year old or whatever
and it was like that's a really
that's a top 10 car
for me for sure
and it was a god damn good car
I mean I'm sure
that it's a better car now
knowing what I know
that was a good car
that deserved an update
really
everybody liked to dig into that
because of
the fact that it got like
a v2
where's the drama
there's no fucking drama dude
that car paved the path
for
who the fuck was putting big wheels
on a muscle car
and sitting it low
and putting satin finishes
just so happens that the industry
evolved
you can go back
and you can take the 66 chevelle
that the roadster shop did
that I think sort of shaped
the roadster shop
you guys could take that car
and totally update it
like that car needs
at this point it would need updating
that doesn't discredit it
I don't think for what it did at the time
and I think that certain cars are well documented
enough
that you're allowed to mess with them
because that's what this business is about
is messing with stuff
dude I mean even like there's
a
who's the guy
dudes that
they've got the
suburban that we did
the four door suburban
blazing rods
that was a fun build
we did some cool shit
a long ass time ago
that was a great build that you guys did
there's no fault
to take that and be like
oh that's awesome that you took that
and like updated it
because there's a lot of better shit
there's things that today
there's things that today could be done
a lot better
but that doesn't take the
style away
it doesn't take any of the magic away from what it was
but you made it better
there's nothing wrong with that
if anybody is going to sit here and say
that they can't do a better job
today than they could 15 years ago
then what does that say about how much you've been
you know how much effort you've been
putting into progressing in your subject matter
other than musicians
what the fuck is it with them
well sometimes they just can't do that
because they get sober and stuff I think
yeah there's no
whaling with a mac 10
like whaling with a mac 10
is obviously a lot better than
tell me that's not a good shirt
it's a great shirt
it's a good logo it's a horrible shirt
the shirt itself
the sleeves on the shirt are bad
what's the vehicle?
is chicane yours?
I was going g4skuta
can I buy it from him?
you can outbid him
you're second behind him
so you've taken g4skuta
I'll allow it
you buy it for me then
I got a couple other ones on the list
gives me another vehicle
I don't know if I want to give him that
because like if he buys it
I could just go drive it whenever I want
we're going to continue this
so right now
you own the g4skuta
you can either take it now
or wait to take it later
there isn't no reverse part
what do you think the situation was
was Doug, why did Doug sell it?
Bob sold it to Doug
yeah
we're buying it from Bob
no you're buying it from Doug
Doug has it now
cut waters kick it in
we thought
you're in alternate reality
we're busting balls
we haven't figured out the procurement process
but you own the g4skuta
I own the g4skuta
am I now pushing the g4skuta
do you get to pick from the middle?
by default that's in my collection
I get it
that's going to sit in the showroom here
he owes you from the Jordan card anyway
no I gave the Jordan card back
20 years later
so that means he gets to use the g4skuta for 20 years
I still gave it back
guilty conscience I gave it back
what are you buying?
what are you taking?
I'm struggling because
the chicane is too predictable
it was such an impressionable car
this can change though
I'm going back and forth
between something I want to look at
and something I want to drive
it didn't hit him both
I'm trying to find that
I already own the 6 fish don't mess with it
for look at and drive
look at
I've just
love Royce Gladers 36
that Pinky's built
it's a great driver
he's driven the thing across the country
multiple times
it's not a performance like fun
rip it around a road course type thing
36 Ford
do you think
you could pull it off?
I'll ask this to you
do you think he could pull the 36 off?
that one with the convertible top up
you're sitting down
oddly I feel like
there's something about
a fill that puts him in a 36
it just suits him
with or without the doodle
I didn't even think about the doodle
I'm not even going to bust balls
the 36 amazing
the dog's pretty sweet too
I know that you're
golden doodle
accents the 36 perfectly
with the little fighter glasses
goggles on
you're too picky of a
driver
and constantly craving the performance aspect
I know
I think that you're going to be like
this is going to be the ride home
that was cool
where can I put this to look at it?
you need a fast car
you need a performance car
I feel like you need a Rod Emery
I've gone back to the Russell built
Baha 9-11 multiple times
that's what you need but you're going to get into trouble
you're going to get into trouble
who's the dude
with the fucking
long travel
you're going to be ankle bracelet
did you hear what happened at Ivan Ho target
you're going to be ankle bracelet
or up in golf course
those are going to have a fucking rip or ankle bracelet after that
after that
alright here's one
this is tough bringing it up
Kyle's second gen
but take Kyle out of the mix
yeah well then
what do you mean?
because the car had a prominence
I feel like because of Kyle
there's no question about it
Kyle made the car cooler
I think so
he's not buying a car and a human
of course Kyle's out of the mix
there's a cardboard cut out of Kyle
in the passenger seat
a BFG Kyle
let's be real here
put that second gen
Camaro out there
it's a fucking plane
blue Camaro that
has some good suspension and a nasty motor
but the car is pretty quick
it will beat him every time
imagine if Phil is driving the second gen
am I wrong
am I wrong that Kyle gave the car prominence
no you're not
I'm sticking with the 36 I think
I'm confused about
what Kyle Camaro, I don't know
that's what I was thinking of
um
for right now
we're gonna bring this back up
so indecisive
South City's 30
you can't
we've given you two choices
we're bouncing all over it because when you bring up
the Royce Glacier car
I instantly start thinking
I overlooked the loaded 27
that's where I went too
you can't
you gotta save it for next episode
that's a show piece
you gotta hope somebody takes the G-Force Cuda from you
that's a living room piece
how about this I have a new challenge
same challenge but
hot rod
oh Phil Becker's
traditional hot rod
built in the past or present
but traditional hot rod
32
well that's where I would go
the loaded pinkies loaded
yeah that's the hot rod
but then you go
I hate
yeah the hemrod's cool but I hate
we
give Troy so much
fucking credit here but
the uh
Roger Ritzos 32
that was it with the 19s on the back of it
yeah it was such an influential
for it to take a
32 Roadster
you had and just make it
gorgeous to set
how many times has the 32
Roadster been done to make it that much
better you had
you had the Done Spencer car
and then you had just time
passed and then and people played around
that's a great and then you had
that's a great way to see you had Troy
Bill uh
Done Spencer
487,032 Roadsters
yep
Troy's Roadster for Roger Ritzos
yep
and that's it
you know
I mean there's been some cool ones
Dave Lane's built some cool ones and Henry's
built some cool ones
I don't know Dave Lane on the Roadster side
Dave Lane's built some fucking rad
like he built some killer
five windows three windows
what has he done on the Roadster end
he built that green Roadster for George
the cool car
I don't remember it, no disrespect
let's see a picture of it
green flames
pull it up
I'm glad he said it too
because I can't think of which car it is
Dave Ford
Dave Ford car
old
what car was it that I'm thinking of
yeah see it's always been
I don't remember the
Vicki's
Sedans
three windows the Phil Becker Sedan
I wish he'd have chopped the shit out of that
Sedan
I know but it's fucking cool like it is
I like the car, never mind
I fucking change
Federale Coupe
fuck all y'all
that's the hot rod I take
I feel like I'm surprised
I'm surprised you didn't pull
a coal foster car
just so you couldn't fucking cuddle with coal foster
I've already given coal enough love
I'd like Salinas boy
original Salinas boy
the coal foster nomads so we can
throw a fucking mattress
I'm not a nomad fan
his nomads sick
I'm just not a nomad
you know who built the best
Nomad of all time in my opinion
the Lee Pratt Nomad
are you guys familiar with that car
well so Lee Pratt
he did the
uh
Lee Pratt did the fucking
five window
with the bitch in flames
the white five window
Lee Pratt Nomad
and then grab a hold of your armrest
just so you don't get blown out of your chair real quick
that's how much I like
this car I know you're gonna be like
oh yes 55
it was in
it's a red car
he got good taste man
it's looked like that since the 60s
yeah
that was in the Rodder's Journal
and the best part is the license plate
it's got an Iowa plate on it still
that's the best part
I don't know that's the best part
well he's from the Midwest
I guess is what I'm saying
a little reverse flame lick
those are like
I think those are like Larry Watson
looking flames
it's cool
yeah it's got some
obviously got some heritage
the um
I might we
we deviated
that's the word
deviated off on the hot rod shit
my pick right now is chicane
right that's my pick
you have
the g4 scooter
and you have the g4 scooter
until somebody takes it from you
okay
yeah
you've said like 62 fucking cars
which is the last
Royce is 36
just like the fact that Eric won't come on the podcast
I'm sticking with it
we're gonna do Eric via zoom
he said he'd do a 15 minute
no we're not
we're not doing that
he's coming in or not
I'm picking the
the chicane
I loved everything about that car
it was a very
memorable moment seeing it debuted
um
what year is that car get finished
97
no it was
2001, 2002
really? yeah
100%
that was post sniper
2 or 3
post sniper
yeah 2 or 3
yeah
I had finished the Nomad
it's due to be that the same year
yeah
you're all washing it in the hotel parking
I was watching you up to the window
before we even know each other
man I thought it was before that
but I'm losing track of time
I've been married for 24
years and a couple months
over those years
I've convinced my wife to do just about everything
there is
possible however
she has told
she has told me
that she would do anything
for the chicane
that's her number one favorite car
you paid more for a fucking C8 Corvette
than you could have bought that motherfucker for
so
that was an unfortunate
that people didn't know
I don't know that's the problem with auctions
what did you go for 220
no it went in the 100
it broke 200
I don't think so
maybe after fees
I thought it was 185
or 189
did it sell recently
2 years ago
who owns that now
in a private collection
that's the problem with auctions
and cars of that level
that's such an iconic car
we all idolize that car
but we don't have any money
they were all hot rod builders
it's the only unfortunate thing
you could come up with that money
but it's not the smartest thing to do
collectively you know what we should have done
we should have treated that car like a timeshare
we should have all
collectively in the industry
purchased that car
because really
regionally
Midwest guys
we can have it in summer
move it around
go south for the winter
just routinely bring it back to Troy
Troy obviously
we could just pass it around
to all the shops
everybody does
like a little tweak
everybody does a little bit of a mod
that's where my reign was at
but we gotta leave out the customs with the K
no customs with the K
my wife is historically
since it debuted
about the chicane
however just recently
we rewatched
shit, Wolf of Wall Street
and
and solid tie in
I don't remember any cars
she's thinking of a
White Testarosa
the White Testarosa now has taken
the Kuntosh
Kuntosh with the wreck
driving the White Testarosa before he even got to that point
when he's rolling out
when he's getting
I don't remember that
yeah he's getting a little bit of a
yeah the Kuntosh was a short
what those in the know call road head
in the Testarosa
yeah
the White Testarosa that's my
that's my fucking unicorn
you can never have one
cause I'm afraid
of what's gonna happen
I mean she's already said what's gonna happen
yeah
it's just
just hazards
any listeners out there right now
if you know any White Testarosa
just set a link
pop it up
dude this one's been a fucking riot
it's been a fucking good time guys
you fucked yourself
just so you know
we're gonna go off of air and I want everybody to know
and you to know
had you not brought out the margaritas
we would have killed that bottle
and you would autographed it
but you brought the margaritas out
there's still a swallow left
dude if we split that bottle
at this point between
5 guys
we gotta kill the bottle
so keep this rolling kill the bottle
we're changing the rules
it's right there dude
I know
it's not bad
honestly it's not bad
I always get a little nervous
I always get a little nervous about
the local
but it's honestly pretty good
it is spicy but it's not
just a little punch of corn
but it's pretty decent
punch you in your corn
well I think Ben did
agree to this earlier
anytime any one of you three stop by his shop
he'll supply you with a bottle of that
you can just swing in there and pick up your bottle
perfect
see how easy that was
I wanna see how long
that you
I wanna see how long the three of us
keep the cars that we have
cause we're bringing this up
next episode
Doug's gonna try to bite back
there's no question about it
I'm not fucking selling it back to him
I really think he's
convinced it
there is
I think this is a fun one to bring up
cause there's so many cars out there
and the week
the day and the week changes
you're like you know what today I'd like to be driving home
this
he killed it quick
this muscle car
or this hot rod
I mean there's times
there's times the weather
and the attitude is just right
I wanna fucking cruise home
and Rob Ida's
Zephyr 44
the car he built the blue one
39
39
it's the blue one
the one that was there at the show
there's things you see and you're like
I'd like to have that
I'd like to drive that experience
you see fucking Rob Ida's hitting
the motherfucking gym lately
is he?
he's posting pictures of his
working out off of the
poking the fuck up
let's give Rob Ida a little shout out here
cause I saw a fucking
little short video
he was talking about
he needs to come back
Rob needs to come back
and cut the fuck loose
I know he was trying to be so
I think he needs to cut loose
I don't see any
he was talking about that
and
that fucking dude's swole
dude
I'm fucking telling you
wait a minute
is that the Tucker guy that does
Tucker's in LA?
yeah he's an interesting
he's in New York
other coast
so
there's a town to tell the fucking dude
if I had another choice
for someone to build a car it would be him
because look he fixed the whole car
it's a 40
mercury
mercury
mercury's big car
yeah the trap looks good
I still don't see any of
it must have been on something different
but he was
bringing it full circle
you know what I'm talking about
he was doing pull ups and shit
off of
no right there
underneath the future liner
that one
click on this video
I'm Rob Ida
and I'm here with my 1950 Jaguar
XK-1
single seater bubble top
am I right?
am I right?
where's the pull ups and the shirt off stuff
this wasn't the one with the pull ups
the shirt off stuff
there's other ones like that
but this isn't like some homoerotic fucking fantasy
this is just Rob Ida
just dudes fit
man
what's calling
I don't have his number
you gotta
email
he's an hour later
he's a
dude that dude's not ripped
go back to the fucking picture
stop
go back to the beginning and tell me I'm fucking wrong
watch where
I'm wrong
that's an angle
alright I'll give you
he's more vascular and inject
than we've seen in the past
he's actively
pumping on
not that I need to see it
I'm hung up on this fictional video
whatever platform
you guys see in these pull ups
I remember the video
you out there doing that shit
no there's not any videos of me out there
it's not a video
one pull ups a picture
multiple pull ups is a video
you can capture
fuck you
we'll do a feature link tomorrow
if we want to just
that dude whoop your fucking ass
whoop your ass
I guarantee it
dude
we've seen the little hats he wears
come on
seriously
he's aging way better than you
so much better
go back to the original statement
you know that's a lie
of what?
change your story
he's not gonna beat my ass
hand to hand combat
you have more aggression
you might prevail in a physical altercation
that's all I needed
what other kind of fight is there
but I think he outperforms you
if it's a fucking bodybuilding competition
I think he outperforms you
he probably does
that's fine
he's up there
he's up there in New York
they got all those kinds of
you're a street fighter
creams and lathers and all that stuff
for youth
that's the guy who needs to come back
he's gotta do it in person
we've already broke through the bullshit
we gotta do it again
I'm intimidated by him coming in person
no
you're gonna wrestle
you're gonna put a man out
you don't think a little bit
no, I'm intimidated
skill set knowledge, he's super fucking smart
and way talented
better physique than you
go to the fucking alley and see who's more talented
let's do that
now leave the tick torch there
buddy, we're going out to where the men live
he's just like a better version
he's probably way better than me on everything
so is this podcast gonna be like 5 minutes
or everything's gonna be cut out of it
no dude, we're 325 in
we gotta get Sharpies to
that's a bottle kill
yeah buddy
they spent some money on the bottle
they did
side show on the side
well when you guys come
a couple months
pick your own
when do you think we're gonna pick
uh
booth vehicles
like final pick
like done set in stone
I better just do it now
I don't think it's set in stone until
probably about
3 weeks before
because you got the drop off
you said this is all playing Friday
so here's the deal
it's planned out but at the same time
we plan it out
the builders
guys are gonna drop out
there's always the last
minute of like
I gotta sign that too
we have to
we have to notify
the ones that we're allowing
now
I'm having some
there's some poaching going on
right
lots of other
booths out there
wanna grab some vehicles
so we have to make a commitment
I'm just trying to think
of when that
what do you think's the
the best cutoff date
it needs to happen
sooner or later
Columbus
it needs to happen by Columbus
ish
sometime in July
if you have not submitted
an entry for
a build
I mean you gotta have your secondary vehicles too
cause
there's always a chance
right now it's not
a problem of getting more applicants
I wanna make sure we give everybody a chance
to get applied
there's enough for 3 booths now
then buy 3 booths
breaking news
the booth spots now
the applications actually come with a fee
as time progresses
what does a booth cost anymore
no bullshit
I was just checking
the size of the booth
that has those cars
go back to that original
you get this much for this car
it'll be the more expensive car
you get one of those cars
I think that
I think Columbus
good guys is probably a good
deadline for it
I'm sure there's
going to be some unexpected
oh shit
I hit a wall this happens
I don't have a problem with
this upholstery shop
we're gonna have
the ones that we commit to
that we have to backfill with somebody
that's just nature of the beast
but we have to pick the ones
that have at least submitted
that say for sure right now
that they're gonna be there
there's
well more than a dozen
that aren't even a question
of if they're gonna be there
here's the deal
well more than a dozen
how many cars did we have last year
8
sure
what would it
11
10
8 in the booth
so if you wanted to take 8 cars
and turn it into 16 how would you do that
multiply by 2
make smaller cars
CRX's
you would stack one
you would stack one car on top of the other
there's companies out there
that do things like that
that can make that happen
so you're
I'm presenting
an opportunity
but your answer is
let's get
more of them and figure out a place to put them
yes
well to an extent
let's not get
fucking silly but
if there's
if we could
if there was
a opportunity to present
12
14
I'm with you
I'm good
and it only took an effort
from a company that knew how to
show more cars in a small space
you mean like
some type of lifting device
perhaps
if I were that company I would
rise to the occasion I would be like
this is fucking opportunity
I would see
the opportunity and I would jump on it
say you had
6 lifts in there
right
12 cars
yes
you swap them every day
you gotta see the top and the bottom
you know what that also makes
that makes all 12 of them
that's not just SEMA ready
that's underside ready too
that's underside ready
underside isn't a problem
drivability ready might be
the parts just gotta be there
there hasn't been a
there's been one
that I know of that show
this is my
this
the theme of this
depending on how low it is
determines how clean you need to get underneath at SEMA
the theme of this podcast is me
with my calls to action
I'm fucking calling the action this podcast
Jeremy's calls to action
that's better than shout outs
better than shout outs
and there's only two guys I can think of
there's Ben Pack
and there's Rotary
there's two fucking guys out there
anybody else
I'm not that interested
in fucking hearing from
what if somebody else came about
that says you've never heard of us
but we'd like to put our lifts in there Booth
well present a case for it
present a case for it
they have lifts that they'll give us
I'm not one to market things
that aren't
fantastic
this shop right here there are Ben Pack lifts
and there are Rotary lifts
speaking of that what are we going to do with that lift
we've got room in the trailer we'll take it
I've got to use the restroom I'll be back
hey this has been a
fucking blast
hang on we've got a hand raised
I just got to use the bathroom
also
I think that's it
we've done fucking amazing this has been
a fucking blast
didn't know where it was going to go
this has been a really fun time hope everybody else enjoyed it
the ones that I had fun
I had fun did you have fun
I did a little nervous at the front
whatever
we drank enough and the nerves go away
we'll see you again next week
About this episode
Ben VanEperen and Zach Raddatz trace how No Coast Custom & Rod Shop grew from collision and fleet work into full custom builds, with stories about a 55 Chevy, a month-long 69 AMX turnaround, and a pile of unusual fabrication jobs. They also dig into shop culture, paint mistakes, SEMA deadlines, and the realities of balancing customer work with personal projects. Along the way, the conversation veers through hot rod history, Japanese performance cars, and the cars that shaped their tastes.
1100 horsepower
1,500 square foot building
15 inch wheels
2026 Good Guys
2.8 four cylinder
300 horsepower
3D scanner
4.3 later V6
A arms
acid dipped
Acura Integra
Acura Legend
Bricklin SV-1
Buick Grand National
Cadillac CT6
Chevrolet C10
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Caprice
Chevrolet Chevelle
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Chevrolet Nova
Chevrolet Tahoe
Chrysler LeBaron
Chrysler New Yorker
Dodge Aspen
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Charger
Dodge Dakota
Dodge Viper
Ferrari Testarossa
Ford Econoline
Ford F 100
Ford F-150
Ford F-150 Lightning
Ford Model A
Ford Model T
Ford Mustang
Ford Ranchero
GMC Cyclone
Honda Civic
Honda CRX
Honda Del Sol
Honda Integra
Honda Prelude
Honda S2000
Jaguar XK150
Lamborghini Countach
Mazda RX-7
Mitsubishi Lancer
Nissan GT-R
Plymouth Cuda
Pontiac Bonneville
Pontiac Fiero
Pontiac Firebird
Porsche 356
Porsche 911
Toyota MR2
Toyota Paseo
Toyota Prius
Toyota Supra
Original notes
This week on Oil & Whiskey, we sit down with Ben VanEperen and Zach Raddatz from No Coast Custom & Rod Shop.
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