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But we've been there, done that, and it didn't.

Yeah, that's fine.

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Yeah, shut up.

Enough of you already.

The Tire Kickers, classic car chat with Max and Matt.

Hello there, and welcome to Episode 40, 4-0 of The Tire Kickers.

And you know what? They say life begins at 40.

But we've been there, done that, and it didn't.

However, if you're having a mid-life crisis...

We've got the perfect wheels for you, a pretend AC Cobra.

We'll ask, is the fake snake the only respectable kick car?

The Tire Kickers.

Also, we're looking back at old car adverts and asking,

did those cheesy ads ever make you buy a car?

Plus, I've been waiting 50 years to do it.

But finally, I'm going to suggest we crush the princess.

Yes, it's time to flatten the 70s family wedge.

Or celebrate the finest four-door design of the 20th century.

OK, maybe not, but I'll be arguing to get the princess a royal pardon.

It's all gone a bit regal, so tell you what, let's King get on with it.

And say arise, Episode 40 of the award-nominated Tire Kickers.

Finalists at the Independent Podcast Awards, this is The Tire Kickers.

There's a lot of designing, testing and trial runs.

Behind every new innovation, a new performance record.

How do I know?

My name's Carol Shelby, and performance is my business.

You know, I've always fancied an AC Cobra Max,

but equally, I don't want to, or let's face it,

I can't cough up the half a million quid plus for the Carol Shelby original.

So what about those Cobra Kickers?

I know you're not a fan of Cobra Kickers,

but every Cobra that we probably see out there is a kit,

and they look and sound really good.

So is the only respectable and acceptable kit car a Cobra car?

I mean, Cobra noises, Cobra looks and Cobra thrills,

but on a kit car budget.

Have a listen to this and tell me what you think.

I may have mentioned before that I don't really like kit cars.

Well, I hate them, all fake and faux and no fur.

There's no history, there's no charm, there's no story.

There's no originality.

Just the nagging thought that there's something lurking underneath

like a Sierra Chassis.

But is the Cobra the honourable exception?

Now, I'm going to try and be positive here if you have to have one.

I'd argue for a close replica of the early models

like this Cobra 289 evocation by Hawke that's on your screen now.

Yeah, so this is a bit of a climb down for you

because kit cars, you know, as you say, you're a bit anti-kit cars.

But here's the snob in you.

If it says evocation on an evocation, then you like them.

So this is why you like this one, isn't it?

Well, I'm struggling with it, to be honest, because I do really like it.

You know, it's a look of the Cobra of the original ones

where they don't have the massive flared wheel arches.

It looks like a proper sports car and this one is built.

I think Hawke used an MGB basis to build them.

And this one is built quite nicely.

If you look at the details, it is based on a 72.

I think it's an MGB.

It's a three and a half liter Rover V8 and it looks pretty good.

Actually, if you look at the pictures, I'm just scrolling through the pictures now.

Dark blue, Hawke, Cobra, nice looking.

If you look at the bonnets, you see,

this is a slight problem here because for me, it's got the Rover V8 in it.

But they changed the rocker covers that it says Cobra powered by Ford.

And you see, automatically, then I'm trying to like it and it's just burst my bubble.

But that's only just sympathetically doing it, isn't it?

To make it look nice.

Everybody knows it's not a Cobra.

It's fake, isn't it?

You would be happy with something that looked a bit uglier in the engine bay, would you?

No, I'd just be happy if it was kind of, you know, a proper Ford engine.

If you're going to make an evocation of something,

then make it as close to the original as possible.

So you're using the Rover V8 and you're putting Ford rocker covers on it.

So until that point, actually, I do quite like these Hawks.

I've seen them. I think they're pretty good replicas.

But it's just any tiny detail can just let it down.

And that, for me, slightly just just makes me think, oh, what a shame.

But it says AC on the back.

Would you take that off?

Yeah, definitely.

But then what's the point?

Well, the point is it's a nice driving car, isn't it?

Evocation is a posh word for kit, isn't it?

It's when when the when the value goes up about like 25 grand,

that's when people start talking evocation.

It's an evocation.

No, it's not a copy, isn't it?

So it's a copy, basically.

So it is a copy.

But it's a bad copy.

Everybody knows it's the right engine.

It's not. It's not got the right engine.

It's got an engine, yeah, but it's not the right one.

It's a bit of fun, isn't it?

It's not really trying to be too serious.

It's not taking itself too seriously, is it?

It looks great.

It does look great, yeah.

It's done to a high standard.

Yeah.

And it will be fun to drive.

If it's based on an MGB and it's got the Rover

three and a half liter of the MGB GT V8,

you'd have a better time in the MGB

because, one, it's original and, two, it's not 47,000 pounds.

That's the other big thing about these kits

and various different replicas.

Is they're expensive?

Yeah, but the basis of it is the MGB,

but it's just that's the donor car, isn't it?

You know, the best kits don't reflect the donor car.

That's literally just there because the running gear,

the chassis works, and then they build the car on top of it.

And then, you know, if it's done well, a kit,

you can't tell what the donor car is.

I mean, it's a bit like your hair transplant.

You know, you can't tell where that hair's come from.

You know, it could be off your back.

It could be off a horse. We don't know.

But I think I'm really trying to be positive here

because, you know, I don't like kit cars.

And I think of all of the Cobras I've seen on the market,

I picked this one this morning and I do quite like it.

But just that picture 13, where they've changed

the rocker cover to pretend a Rover engine is a Ford engine,

just kind of ruins it for me.

As soon as it's ruined, I can't look back at it.

Maybe not. That's not the car for you then.

Well, let's move on.

There's loads of different kits, actually.

You know, if you're going to do a Cobra, maybe you want...

I mean, that one's quite subdued, isn't it?

Maybe you want the big ones, the spinners on the wheels

and those bigger wheel arches and the big noise.

I mean, DAX do a lot of the kits.

They're one of the best known ones.

There's a DAX to Jero that goes to the meats

around in me here.

It's a light blue one, 5.7 litre V8.

Looks great. It's driven by a YouTuber, Adam C.

In fact, he's done a video reviewing it

and showing you what it's like to drive.

Seconds.

Let's go through this tunnel.

A short little tunnel.

Not long enough for any kind of acceleration,

but we'll get some revolutions.

Let's do it. It's right.

It's knocking it to neutral. Why not?

It's a monic.

I mean, it does sound good, doesn't it?

And that's part of the fun of it.

Yeah, it sounds good.

And it sounds like it's quite good fun

and maybe for people who were slightly less obsessed

about originality, like you, for example,

you could probably get away with that,

but I still think it's going to bug you after a while.

You know, you might like the first week, the first month,

but eventually you're going to think,

oh, this is not quite right, is it?

Other people are going to point that out to you

all the time as well.

I don't care about the other people.

Everybody knows it's a kit

and if it just suits your sort of feel.

I mean, this one here, look at this one.

This is DAX to Jero.

They're 3.5 litre.

It's up for about 30 grand.

It seems to be 30 grand seems to be

where these sorts of cars are.

Now, this is in a sort of bluey green metallic.

It's a bit more sort of flared wheel arches at the back

and it's got that exhaust that you burn your leg on

when you're getting it out.

You're not careful.

This one's probably a little bit pimped for me,

but I still like it and I don't have this issue.

I think you're worried about the purists coming up

and going, oh, it's got the wrong rocker covers.

I couldn't care less.

No, that's me.

I mean, I'm bothered about having the wrong rocker covers.

Oh, you are that person.

I am that person.

But you know what?

I'm looking at this then and it's got low profile tires.

So what is the point of that on a kind of 60s replica?

And it's got the dashboard that just immediately

gives it away as a kit.

Now, okay, if you can just blast around in it

and enjoy it and not think about those things, fine.

But I just don't know how you could drive that

and then think, this is a bit wrong, isn't it?

And you'd spot bits of it.

I'm just, look at those indicator stalks.

That is for Sierra.

For Sierra.

Indicator or wiper stalks.

That is the giveaway.

Automatically, that has just killed it for me.

Yeah, I've got to say, actually,

that kills it for me as well a little bit

because why don't they change the switch gear?

What is the problem with switch gear?

Well, it's cost, isn't it?

And they just want to try and do it as quickly as possible

because they're spending all their money on huge exhausts

and really thin tires, which just doesn't look right.

I mean, that picture 23 that I'm looking at now,

I can see the Mark 1 Sierra indicator.

So it's dead to me now.

I think to finish that car off, yeah, absolutely.

I've got, as you know, a big thing about interiors

because I think it's the thing you sit and look at

the most as the driver.

You don't see how cool the car looks a lot of the time

because you're in it.

So if you're looking at basically a Ford Sierra

in screen washer, wiper, stalk, it's not great.

I would finish that off.

Hang on a minute.

You're agreeing with me then?

No.

You know, in the original Cobra,

they had those certain stalks.

I'd try and find something to match that look.

In the engine bay, if you've put a Rover in it,

it always got a Rover in it,

and you've prettied up the engine bay to look more sympathetic

to the original.

I've got a problem with that.

You know it's a Rover VA,

but when it just makes the engine bay look nice.

You're trying to pretend it's something else anyway.

You're not pretending.

All right.

Okay, let's move on from that point

because we could talk about rocker covers forever.

And remember, we are awards nominated,

so that's not going to get us another award, is it?

It might get us out of the awards.

They do creep up in value though,

but they're in stock tax.

Depending what they're built on,

there's this one that you've found

that's built out of a Jagz that's push it the price up again.

Well this is out of a Jag XJ-40.

So they've used an XJ-40 and they've used the bits from that.

And I think this is slightly better.

Remember, I'm trying my best to be positive about this.

So what's the best thing I could say about this?

It's green and it's got Good Year Eagle

written on the tyres in big, white writing.

I don't like that.

But I'm trying to be positive I quite like this in a way it looks quite decent from the outside

It hasn't got those ridiculous flared arches of the one that you like, but again, you know

I'm flicking through the pictures and

It's got the interior which just let's sit down a bit. Let's have a look at the Storks. Let's get to the Storks

Oh, hold on what's going on the engine?

Doesn't have any offensive rocker covers. I think they're just plain rocker covers

It's have a look plain rock it's it's got Edelbrock carbs, which is right

You can put those on on something. So I kind of get that. Yeah, where's the where's the Storks or some I think it's a bit

Sierra-y hold on a minute

But you're saying it's a Jag so it must be

Yeah, but it's I can see I think I can see the Jag Storks

I mean it has got the Smith's instruments, which is a bit better, but they're all in the middle

And it just looks a bit wrong again. So for me

I'm driving along down the country road with a wind in my thinning hair and then thinking

This is a Jag XJ40. What does it matter? I went to the mate's Lotus Elisa then he was pointing out all the bits that come from a Morris marina

You know, that's how that's how it came out of the factory. That's the genuine Lotus Elis. Okay

They use different bits from different cars, but it's a genuine car

It got my indicator stalking it from the stag

Did it work?

Yeah, it did well they only work for a certain period of time

But I haven't got a massive problem is I would as I say switch gear

I think with the bug me this that the engine bay less so or we've come back to that point

Let's move on from that. This is a bit bulbous bulbousy looking one for me

But I think all of these cars would be a great blast. They'd be fun to have. I'm not sure how usable they are

Generally, I think you're probably a bit shaken and stirred once you've been driving this for a while

You know that big engine throbby engine. It's it's quite a theme park ride

Yeah, I mean basically you're not going to go on a tour of the countryside

It's a quick blast on a Sunday afternoon

But again, the problem with this one is

40 000 and this is where cobra's really really fall down for me

They only work really if they're cheap, but when they're cheap as we've seen they don't really work

Now here's my alternative. I've been positive about cobras almost

I think if you want american muscle by american muscle

So for the same price here, here's a chevy corvette c3 from 1972 teatop chrome wheels

Tires with white writing on 7.2 liter engine. It's on your screen

Now

Oh, what is that? It's like an orange isle

Oh, that's disgusting. I mean I go go to the 60s ones at least. I mean they're these are horrible

No, but this is the same price as that cobra that we've just shown you and this is a genuine

71 chevy corvette now these cars these corvettes were so cool

They used to give corvettes to astronauts that came back from Apollo missions

How cool is that? That's not fake. That's original history and you can buy a piece of that original history for 39 and a half grand

It's a kind of okay. It's orange, but you're never going to miss it c3 corvette

7.2 7.4 liter engine. I should say

How good is that look at the interior? I mean it's just 70s

No, no, no if that's part of car me. I'm walking past that I'm not bothered with that

Yeah, but you wouldn't walk past it to go to a fake cobra. Yes, I would

Much more interesting because I go oh look you've got rocker covers. Oh, no

These are by Ford. Oh, no. I cannot believe this. I'd rather have one of those cobra kits than that

That I just 70s American cars just do nothing for me whatsoever. I think it's it's an ugly car

In a the colors interesting because it's orange, but it's just

I genuinely you said this before you've said this before American cars are great in America

They're not so great. They don't look you take my contents and put them British roads

Just don't look that great, especially 70s ones. It's a bit but this has got history

It looks a lot better than a fake cobra

You know a real car even if it's left undrived an American looks better than a fake car for me

Let's know what you think do you think there's there's life in a cobra or do you think uh, you know a kit

It's just it's a kit. It's a kit. It's a kit. Or do you agree with max? Do you agree with me?

Let us know through our socials. We'll put a post up here's how to get involved

You can get in touch with max and matt's via our socials

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Well, you're listening to episode 40 still to come the wedge that is the austin princess is up on the conveyor belt ready to be crushed

Or caressed but first hot news from us for the second year running

We've been nominated in the lifestyle section for an independent podcast award

I know I was really pleased when that came through last year. We were sat in winners row, won't we max?

But despite getting up and down 12 times. I think it was but other winners get out to the stage

We didn't get our calling. Did we so is it second time lucky? What do you think?

No, I've got to be honest about this. I was listening to all the other all the other entries

One they're quite good

The other entries are quite good. And that's a problem and two the other entries are quite um on trend

You should say I mean we are not the zeitgeist of now

Are we because we talk about classic cars and that's not at the kind of forefront of everybody's

It's not trendy is it? No, it isn't. It's not gen z. Is it really very classic classic cars?

I mean, it's a bit of a weird one. We're in the lifestyle category and there's a real hotch potch in there

I mean, we've got we're up against uh five others

And there's one about witches

There's one a sort of a post-covid sociology thinky thing and there's there's a podcast about shrewsbury

It's a bit random. It's obviously very good because it's being shortlisted

But yeah, so we're up against some some random ones and then there's us sort of you know, two middle-aged blokes banging on about classic cars

I mean the cloud the cars are obviously interesting, but you know

Are we I'm not sure

I mean it was funny because I did listen to it because we're at the bottom of the

Of the kind of um list don't they say there's a list and everybody else is at the top

So I was listening to all the entries and I got to us and all the other entries are thoughtful intelligent

They've put a lot of effort in and then we come along saying let's crush the cavalier

So if it's one of those things I listened to and it did make me laugh

But I thought yeah, we ain't gonna win. We're the only car show on the whole awards though list max

So that I'm quite chuffed with that because you know cars generally are quite a niche sort of thing

So to be picked by judges to be on there and also to be classic cars as well

I mean, we're not hipsters in beanie hats. Are we we're not trendy. We're not gen z

So, you know the cars are cool, but your average meet, you know, you will meet people like me and max

The fact that we're there is good, but we went it's great to be nominated again. We went we went last year

Well, hopefully we're in the shop and we've got a one in six chance of winning

The events london in london next month. I've got us tickets by the way max. We're right. Okay. That's good. We're on the end of a row

Oh, that's bad. Is that wise? No, because we'll just have to get up and down all the time and do that fake congratulations

They're great. Well done to the people of one. Perhaps we should have sat in the middle

I thought that was a bit negative though just sitting in the middle thinking we're not going to get up

But no, it's like the bloody mexican wave last year. Wasn't it getting up and down and up and down

Everybody in our row was winning and they're kind of nudged you and I said, I think I think we're in the right row

And then it came to our category and we had to do that pretend disappointed face thing

Oh, well done. Well, that's slow clap. Yeah, they deserved it so deserved it

Um, what else has happened since we last spoke well my stag didn't start that's what I went to turn the key

And it was completely dead. Is this the first failure you've had on the stag?

Yeah

Well, you don't sound sure. Well, no, I was slightly concerned that I might have got the stag curse

I was thinking oh god, here we go. Because you know, it's that first nervous month, isn't there when you get a new car

And you're just trying to work out what's going to go wrong and then nothing goes wrong

And then it starts playing up

Okay, so what exactly happened?

Well, it was a bit weird because I started it in the garage

I got it out and then I sort of spotted something I needed to sort in the garage

So I turned it off and then I got back in turn the key and so it was like a pop sound

And then nothing

That's what you just heard

So literally there's no dash lights nothing

So look, I started troubleshooting. Maybe it's the fuses

It won't pop. Maybe it's the coil. Maybe it's the actual switch going wrong

And I was sort of like, oh now I was trying to find some fuses. I changed the fuses. All right

I did all that I went through the whole things and I thought I meant it and the headlights working

So switch there but the headlights weren't working battery and the battery had become the terminal become loose

Oh, okay. And so when I went obviously went to turn it it shorted

Obviously moved the terminal bit and then just obviously wasn't touching

So I connected that back up timed it up and always it's been fine

Yeah, but that's so satisfying because you fixed a mechanical problem. Well, it's so satisfying that it's not a complicated thing

That's what it is. So I gave it run out this morning. It's getting a bit too cold though. Isn't it great?

You were rave this morning. I looked out of the window and just went nah, I can't be bothered

Well, I thought that this morning. I mean it was there was a sort of a gap before it started raining yet again

But hopefully we'll get some more decent days, but I just think it's kind of yeah

The attraction of getting up early and going out in the car when it's cloudy is is not is not there for me

It's wet and you know what you know on this episode. I'm trying to be positive

But it is a long time until the spring now, isn't it? Oh, no, don't

We've have had some good days. I mean I've been using the car a lot and I the nice thing about the stack

Actually, I will say and I was saying this to someone this morning

It's not the the most wow classic car you're gonna see by so usable

I mean, it's a bit like your SL. I've gone further and and used it more than I have in my last car

Do you think you could daily it?

No, god no

Well, you could well you could compared to my other car

I mean I would I would now take the stag out and drive 40 minutes to go meet someone for lunch sort of thing

Whereas before I know you could say well, you could do that with the other one

Well, you could with a 60s car

But you would arrive with sweat down your back wouldn't you and you know the sort of smell of fuel and that sort of stuff

Whereas I can use this car a lot or more so have been doing that

So I went out I put my brother up in it and I gave him a go and he drove us to lunch. Were you letting him drive?

Yeah, I let him drive. Yeah, he was driving it and he was really enjoying it because it's so it's such an easy car to drive

And it is a lovely car to drive. It's really it's quite addictive actually

You know after we drove each other's I drove off in mine. I thought I really miss that stack

Yeah, it is very addictive because the sound is so rewarding

As you said, you know, you put your foot down you hear it, don't you?

So he was driving it and he was really enjoying it and we were talking about

You know the fact that it felt like a good car and just as we said that the parcel shelf under the dashboard fell off

It literally which gave us both a laugh the timing. It was like comedy timing. We're going. Yeah, actually, it's all right

It's all right this car. I think it's screwed together quite well

Chunk and I don't know if you've looked at those dashboards the parcel shelf under the dashboard in a stag has actually made a carboard

And I think it only had one screw in it

And it just actually just fell off

The screw carboard that that's very bl, isn't it? It is very bl

But now otherwise the car's been great and apart from the battery playing up

It's been really really good. It's running really well and just sounding really good. So I'm enjoying that

I mean, I haven't had the because it's been raining for the last

Five or six days now

I've just not had the sl out because you know, I've got this obsession about putting a car away in the garage wet

Which I will just never do

So I haven't been out in it at all and it's a bit of a problem. This isn't it because you start to think

Well, actually, how often can you get it out now in the winter and classic cars need to use it?

And you can just think what is the balance we talked about this before

But what is the balance of getting it out and using it and keeping it indoors away from the bad weather?

Yeah, I mean I've got this this car has been caught in the rain much more than

Already than the last one was and and I have been sort of kind of careful to dry it off before I put it back in

And that sort of thing but I need to run this car up over winter. I just hate getting it dirty. That's really precious, isn't it?

but

It's mainly laziness

Yeah, exactly. But you know, I think unless there's ice on unless there's salt on the road rather

I think I will you know, keep just running out once a month

But I think those days the the enjoyment goes to me

I've got to say once the once the heat drops, you know

Once the temperatures drop and the sun goes if the sun's out actually I'll put the roof down

I'll put the heater on and I'll drive it

But I think once it starts getting cold and cloudy, it's just

It's not as fun. You start noticing how annoying the car is then, don't you rather than actually enjoying the sort of

What if you have the roof up?

No, just with cloudy cloudy days

I just think you start noticing just how drab the you know the old car is

When when everything pings when the sun's pinging off everything it just looks a bit more showbiz, doesn't it?

So here's a question both the murk and the triumph stag came with hard tops

Would you put the hard top on and use it in the winter?

No, so I don't have it. I don't have one. I wasn't that fussed because I didn't really want one

Because you just store it trip up over it and then put it then sell it on

And then accidentally knock it off and break it. Exactly. Yeah. Would you use your hard top?

I have put the hard top on in the winter and I do quite like it actually

It's a very different car with a hard top on but you are right

You can hear all the things you can't hear with the roof down and then you're just thinking

What's that squeak? What's that? Is that going to be expensive?

So I like the look of it with a hard top on actually

It's a really nice pretty looking car with a hard top, but I'm not sure I'd put it on to be honest. No

Also, it's a two-handed job, isn't it? Getting it on and off

Yeah, and then once it's on you've got to leave it on and then the hood's tucked away and is the hood going to be all right

So yeah, no, I mean, I've got mine on a stand in the back of the garage and that's where it's going to stay

Just looking out the window. It's just started raining

Brilliant. I can hear the rain against the window here actually. It's not a good sign

That garage door's staying firmly shut

So classic car stuff is fading into the autumn as the rain comes down a bit

But still some auction action going on max. Absolutely and as a treat to ourselves

We're meeting up next week at hysterics at ascot classic car auction to do some live tire kicking

So let's look at some of the lots we can look at then in our next episode. We'll look at the prices. They fetched

Okay, first up

1965

Ford Mustang now I'm going to tell you this because we're talking about cobras earlier

I think as a cobra alternative. This is great mainly because it's priced between 14 and 18,000. That's the estimate at the auction

It's a 65 Ford Mustang coupe

So not the drop top, but you get the hard top so it's a bit more rigid

It's a bit better when it's cornering

The slight problem with this one is that it's the v6 and not the v8

I do like these if I was going to go for a Mustang I would go for these 60 ones

But I have driven one of these actually a coupe and it was a bit disappointed with it. It's very slow

Even the v8 one's very slow

Makes nice noise. It was very slow and very rattly. I wonder what this one's like

Well, probably slow were

And rattly, but you know, it's cheap and you do get that great ford look and as opposed to the fake cobras

This is a genuine Mustang and I do think it's such a pretty design. I'm very very usable as well

I mean, it's not then the thing about these actually for american cars are not huge either

So if you've got a british garage, you probably get it in it, but it's very very usable

There's plenty of space, especially if you're six footer to get in there

And you could go up four up to the pub in this and have a bit of fun and it's not quite

I mean, I was at this meet this morning. There's a lot of these big 50s cars

And I just they're just a bit over the top for me. Whereas this is quite it's quite subtle, isn't it?

Yeah, it's quite subtle. It's a cheap car. There's loads of parts for mustangs

You can get them dispatched and certainly in the uk or from the us you can get a dispatch really quickly

I think this is a really good buy because it's a cool 60s

Ford now we have picked quite a few cars. We'll have to rattle through these

Next up is a 1951 Jaguar xk 120 now

Remember in the summer I went to a classic car meet and saw a

A stripped back xk 120 and it's such a good-looking car these Jags

So these are now I think probably as cheap as they're going to get the estimate on this is 67 to 75 000

It'd be interesting to see what it gets because the values have been really softer on these

So it gets over 50. I think it's doing quite well to be honest really nice one. I mean, this is beautiful

It is gorgeous gun metal gun metal grey with red leather in

Oh, just it looks fantastic with beautiful

Lovely clean wire wheels on it

And the just the the red inside it's like a clear red

Complete inside cockpit, you know, there's it's leather red leather bound around the edge. It's got beautiful lush red carpet

It's got this burr walnut dashboard

It just looks absolutely bang on and in this gun metal grey it just contrasts with it really really well

This is a beautiful one

It will be interesting to see the values on this because this is a beautiful restored classic car

And if this does go for lower, you know, the lower end of the estimate more even 60 or under

Then you do know that the prices are softening because I think this isn't an exceptional car

I think if you're in the market for this, there will be a couple of people fighting over this

Is this the cover star?

No, I mean, I don't think so. It's just, you know, it's a beautiful xk120

It's a chef's kiss car for me this it's absolutely perfect

I think it's got everything. I would wet myself for one of these cars

I don't have the money sadly

But I will really be watching that closely because if that gets, you know under 60

That's a really cheap car. I don't think it will but I have got my fingers crossed

You talk about prices softening have a look at this next one 1967 alfa Romeo's spider the duetto

And you're always going on about the boat tail being the one look at the car that you want

And this is this is an estimate of 22 to 28

Which seems quite cheap for a duetto because they were they were knocking up up about 40

What's the story with this car? Do you think?

Well, it's white

So it's always a bit of a difficult sell for a duetto

Which is why because everybody wants the red ones

And I think the white ones then they don't look quite as nice. However, it is a duetto

They are gorgeous cars. They're quite good fun to drive. They're quite heavy cars to drive

Actually surprisingly because they look so light and nimble and you get in them and it's quite an effort to drive one

But what a great car 1967 white with 41,000 miles on the

Well, let's just pretend it's the mileage doesn't really matter

But it is a great car the duetto and there's so few of them around

I always think the values are going to be quite strong

But the estimate on this is 22 to 28 like you said these used to go for 40 or 50

So if duettos are down to this level, this is probably the time to buy

It's going to be an interesting one. There's also a cam tail in sale as well a red cam tail, which I kind of prefer

I can't the interiors of the the cam tails, but you don't like the cam tails. We've been there. Let's move on

to a 1972 triumph tr 6 now

This is one of your picks actually which is really interesting because

One you've become a bit of a triumph fanboy at the moment and two

This is a really good pick because tr6 is really good cars and this has got some subtle upgrades on it

Yeah, it's a really good

You know you get a sense with a car whether it's had the right sort of things done

And this is this is an abusive for red really kind of wow kind of red

It's on mini lights

But then you know you start looking at a car and it's had some sympathetic things done and you can tell from the interior

It's really really good quality

I mean generally they're pretty low rent the interiors on tr6's but this one's this one is looks really really good sort of burr walnut

It's got mx5 seats in it, which normally I've go. Hmm, but actually I think it probably makes it a bit more comfortable

But it just looks great. It's up for eight between 18 and 22. That's the estimate

1972 but once you read up about it

It's had quite a lot done to it

Bosch fuel pump, which is the key point, isn't it? Get rid of the lucas fuel pump get the Bosch fuel pump on it

And these tr6's are a lot more reliable. It's little things actually you can tell, you know

I spoke about this in the last podcast that is it, you know, when you buy a classic car you do inherit

Somebody else's to-do list and it it's quite telling what they haven't haven't done because even though they give you

You know a bit of jaw drawer and a bit of chat you buy the car

Oh, it's you know, it's my favorite car and then you look at what they haven't done

And you know what they have done this one's got some interesting one

So the speedo and the taco have been refurbished

So they have no needle bounce

That's quite a good sort of good attention to detail

So if you're if you're worrying about if that bothered you about the car and you got that sorted expense

Then it just shows that actually whoever's owned that car has kind of loved it and done done stuff with it

I think I think overall this looks really really good. Just look at the engine bay and it's really nice really clean

It says powered by Ford. I know it doesn't

I was just about to say look at the engine bay because all the hoses are new

All the wires have been kind of tacked down so in the right place

I think this is a really good car 18 to 22. I think if you could get that for under 20

That is a bit of a bargain. What have we got next or a hilly a nut and bolt restored hilly. Look at this max

Healy hundred now again, you know, we're talking about cars that are getting cheaper. These hilly hundreds used to be so expensive

They were the poster child of the classic car movement now

This one's estimated between 38 and 45,000 now hilly hundreds hilly 3000s depends what side of the fence you sit on

I'm a hilly hundred person. I think because I think they look purer

And this one is an absolute beaut. It's in that kind of light blue

Which is a very hilly color. It's really nice

It depends whether you like windows or not because these didn't come with any windows

So if you if it suddenly starts raining as sometimes it doesn't britain, believe it or not

And you want to get the roof on it

It's quite an affair with these because you got you actually side windows that you put on

So this is a fair with a carb. I think this looks better

I mean the 3000 is more usable because it has got a you know a pram roof that you can put up and down

But these are great. They don't drive that amazing. They've driven one of these and they're quite scuttly

Especially if they're on kind of retro tires and also they've got no seatbelts in them most of them

That is something that that bothers me cars without seatbelts and that that's an xk120 problem, isn't it?

And you can't have them retrofitted, which I'd probably do

But I think if you just concentrate on the look of it, it is amazing

You're right. They're not great cars to drive

But it's a 50s feel and you know like you said if it rains you're in trouble

However on those days where it's not raining and the scuttles aren't shaking too much

That is a perfect classic car experience

Go to image number seven and have a look at the gear stick

And tell me what you think you mean the three gears with overdrive. Yeah

It's um, it's it's only got three gears

But what is sort of a random arrangement as well, isn't it first is it's down and in the middle

And then second is up to the left and then third is down to the bottom left

So yeah, I've never driven one of those to be honest. It does look a little bit complicated

But I still think it's one of those

It's one of those things you just get to learn, isn't it?

And I think part of the joy of a classic car is learning about it and getting into the groove

And that's one of the things you'd have to get into the groove with because it's looks like quite a difficult gear change

Yeah, so this is 1954 Austin Healey 104 is estimated between 38 and 45

It's a genuine uk right hand drive and it's a fully restored example

It's in blue. It looks gorgeous. Go on to the historic sign. Have a look at that one

Next up is a 1967 citrant id 19 convertible now calm down because it's not an original

It's obviously a ds that's being converted and and you pointed this out to me

And once I've seen it, I can't unsee it the kind of um

Fake roof they've put on it looks like somebody's bought a tent and just dumped it on top

It just ruins it immediately which is a shame because you know a ds convertible is a gorgeous looking car

But on this one the roof is just all wrong. It looks like one of those trailer tents from the sephansies doesn't it?

It's not good. It's not good. Somebody has somebody has ram raided go outdoors in their citrant

And it's ended up with a tent on the roof

Which is a shame because actually a right hand drive ds is is worth quite a lot of money on its own

So it's a shame they've done this kind of conversion and also it's in silver

And you know what it's like to match bits of silver paint. It's kind of unmatched silver

So I would personally walk past this one, but we need to have a look at it

Just to just to satisfy our curiosity. Yes, that's up that's up for between 30 and 40

I wonder if we'll get that money. I'm not quite sure. What else have we got or one more for you?

This we're talking about values going down, but this one's a bit hot on the reserve max

It's a merc coupe 1985 one at a merc 123. So it's a 123 coupe

It's up for between nine and 12 000. It's in a gold color

It's got the nice colored match, you know hubcaps that I like

It's it's your typical 123 interior sort of beige velour and it's a good nick

70 000 on the clocks at 9 to 12 though

I think that's too hot on the money and there's not that many of these around however

I was looking at these a couple of years ago when the market was really hot and they're about, you know, 12 13 grand then

Yeah, but you know as we've talked about with these, there's not many of those around

You just said that I mean, I think that's the key to the value on this is there's not many around

And there's certainly not many good ones around

There's a load of rubbish out there

And this one looks all right actually the only thing about it in the details

It says it's a six cylinder well the 230 was a the 230c was a four cylinder

So I think it's definitely a four cylinder engine. I'm just trying to see from the pictures

Image five you can see the engine. It's got four four ht leads. So it's a four pot. There we are

The interior is really good actually

I think the x it's difficult to judge and photos and what the exterior is actually like but in photos

It looks really good, but the interior doesn't really clean. They can look quite tatty these

So maybe it's a condition car though when you get to the engine bay, there's a bit of rust about so

It's maybe sat outside for a little bit, but overall it looks good

I think it's a very usable classic car that maybe it's had a respray at some point

Oh, there's a bit of grot on the on the boot lid

The problem with these is it's really difficult to get parts from them lots of parts are coupé specific and aren't that many parts around

So again, it's the find another for this price, isn't it because if you restore them

I mean, you're going to be spending four or five times the value of it

So a good one if you can get it. I think that might be worth it

We're going for a little field trip in the week. Who's turn is it to pay for lunch? Is it mine?

Is it yours? I think it might be mine. So I'm on a diet and so are you

So episode 40 of the tire kickers and we'll talk old car adverts shortly and ask

If any were really good enough to get you to part with those old white fivers

But first lots of you have been in touch since our last show

We talked about flipping classics overnight for large markups and whether that was morally dodgy

Well new listener Quincy Fitzwater agreed with max. He says thank you just buy classics and you're right and relist them straight away

Remind him of ticket scalpers. He says they distort the market for genuine enthusiasts and collectors, which was what your point

Thanks for that Quincy and as well your comments about the show really appreciate it editor 1974 on Spotify says he says

Some of these overnight flippers are online only so they don't even have the overheads of a normal dealer

His point is that it's a bit cheeky. Benjamin Maltby picked up on our

Automobilia chat and knew having that old grill from a wallsy hornet. He says his first car was a hornet

He said even the grill was rusty. He also asks why when we talk about v8 so much and wanting a v8

We never really mentioned the chimera. He had one for eight years and it never let him down

He said the hood goes up in seconds and it's properly weatherproof

He says prices have come back down to earth and they sound great. Perhaps we should look at one of those

Yeah, good point. I mean, I've kind of got a bit of a blind spot about tvrs because I've never owned one

But I think yeah, that's a good chance to look at them. Mark Palmer on facebook also has some thoughts on automobilia

Too let's be honest here. He says most of it is just old junk gathering dust

But it does become cool over time. I mean, thank god

some of us save stuff like this and then he sent us a couple of old ads he'd kept

One for a fit temperate estate never heard of the fit temper of you. No, it's pretty ugly and forgettable

Another one was for the rover metro. Pretty ugly and forgettable

Exactly that. Yeah, just two ugly and forgettable things talking about v8 as we were lots of chat following our sl versus stag

road test episode about my v8 versus your only six cylinder slow coach

It's still technically a faster car than the stag that was

And I'll quest to find out which was best this is alan 74 says both cars look great, but come on

It's the stag any day and every day mr. M4 though reckons. It has to be the sl

He says the stag's woeful does forgive a lot of its shortcomings a v8 r107 probably is the goldilocks car just right

Yeah, I agree with that. Ian a k corb 2000 also enjoyed the special

He says in my opinion the stag has more character than the sl not just because of the v8

But also because of its idiosyncrasies and quirks. He said the the sl is competent and complete

But maybe it comes across as a bit soulless

Yeah, you see the problem with competent and complete is that that scene is a bad thing unless you're standing on the hard shoulder

Next to your stag in the rain and then competent and complete looks quite nice

Tony and ruth richards on facebook reckon that for ride handling comfort and performance the stag

Is the way ahead, but when it comes to the hood and interior they say the old man's murk

Thank you. Time you ruth wins the day. Do you know any old men who've got a murk?

Oh, yeah, we do and darren pendleton and lots more of you simply got in touch to say what a great episode

It was and that we should do some more maybe we should should do some more max

And maybe you should get some listeners cars together and a b them perhaps

Or do you think listeners would let us loose in their cars? I'd be surprised. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good point

Yeah, another new listener john got in touch from france where he says he's been binging the episodes while cycling and gardening

Welcome along john. He says we keep mentioning cars. He's either owned

He's driven or he's lost it after and he sent us a nice shot of his msadie's r129 sl280

Which he brought from the uk with him when he moved

He said so far is not failed a single british or french mot in 10 years

Which is pretty good going. That's your s l for you. It is it is it's working well for him

And I think it is a reliable car those 129s, aren't they but thank you for the kind words john about the podcast

And it's great to have you along and just one more for me max

Hello to chicks and his red triumph staggoer met at the alton karmic a few weeks ago. There's quite a few stags

They're actually i must take my screwdriver along

Some parts what screw them back together again properly

Yeah, not actually to remove off the car just to tighten them up. Just do everybody a favor

Your parcel shelves a bit loose

Now it's time for crush or caress episode 40 the tire kickers time now for a return of our crush or caress feature

Do we send a car to the scrapper or get out the t-cut and give it a good going over this time?

It's matt's turn. Oh, yes, it is 50 years ago

One of the worst cars to have ever emerged from the british motor industry was launched

Yes, the austin princess and laughingly the ads at the time

Made out that it was the car to make your neighbors jealous. What do you get to the gallant? Not too bad, you know

Average how's the princess the princess has a bigger than average boot

Room in the back for a bigger than average family

And there's nothing average about the 1.7 and 2 liter overhead cam engines or the aerodynamic shape

Haven't they got one of those at number 19 from 3781 pounds not the car for mr. Average

I love the fact that uh, you know, it was supposed to make your your neighbors impressed

But I suppose it did in those days because it was a it was new

I suppose what you could say about it

I think we're getting the vibe that matt wants to crush it

But I think it's time to celebrate one of the most daring and forward-looking family car designs of the 20th century

Spacious distinctive smooth riding it took the family car fight to the cortina and lost

Well, exactly and the reason it was so bad

It was pulled off the production lines early on to fix massive engineering problems

And it just wasn't a cortina now

I know we're divided on this though as we were

When we looked around that one that was up for auction earlier this year back at the nc in birmingham

It's nearly lunchtime and look we found something looks like a wedge of cheese

Oh, yuck. Princess

2200 hl not the hls. What's it guided for?

Let's have a look on the windscreen here coming round here. It's uh guided for eight to ten eight to ten

Yeah, because it's a classic wedge. It's the 2.2 with 60 000 miles

Do you get another car with it great to ten you get a great piece of harris man design?

I think these are really goodbye and they are this one's a little bit expensive. You wouldn't drive that

Yes, you would it's a great drive. I would drive this absolutely. It's not ugly

It's a fantastic 72 design. It was ugly in the 70s when it came out. It's even uglier now

I've still got PTSD actually being near it. Oh for god's sake

Honestly, I've got a real problem with the princess because you hate it just for no reason whatsoever

And actually when you look at the princess, I mean, I think first of all here

You're wrong and let's just take this as the basis of this argument

But however, I do see where you're coming from like a like a maths exam

You are getting some marks for your working out here

But you're wrong because the princess was one it was an avant-garde design

Everything else around the princess looked boring square boxy cortinas square boxy cavaliers

The princess was a wedge

Secondly, it was spacious and this is the thing about the princess

I remember as a kid we had one the car before we had was a mini club and a steak for the four of us

And then in 1977 along came a princess and it was like going from economy to first class

You sat in the back of the princess. It was a velour. It was spacious. It was light

It felt modern. It felt new in 1970s and okay, it wasn't put together particularly well

But it was a really bold design

And if it had been put together with volts of our gun type quality

It would be a winning car design and people would like it now

So just to have a go at it because it was put together badly. It's not quite really fair

Now I'm having to go because I've got two eyes in my head and when I open my eyes and look at it

It's horrendous. It was horrendous at the time. I remember being a kid and riding in one and thinking this is rubbish

This looks awful. It's ugly. It's got a horrible vinyl roof. It just it was just yuck

I mean my folks had the citron gs

We talked about that before and that was a much more interesting car than the princess

The princess was just like a I don't know it was like a dad dancing at a wedding

It was just it's just naff. The whole thing was naff. It was trying to be cool and it wasn't cool

I think of it in the same breath as an allegro frumpy ugly

The nap. No, no, no, I think if you look at other family cars, the princess was really different

It looked different on the road. It was a stylish look to it and be all be all designs at that time

We're really doing something different

They were pushing the boundaries of it and actually the wedge design in the 70s was what it's all about

But virtually every manufacturer had some kind of wedge Ferrari 308 GT 4s

Lamborghini contacts that they were all wedges and that was just following the design language of the time

Okay, the problem was that it had pretty rubbish engines. It was full speed

And it it did handle quite well because it had that hydro gas suspension

But it was just let down by bits

But actually if those bits had been right this would have been a winning design

It's the design is probably the biggest problem for me to be honest because I just think the design is trying to be cool

But it's not pulling it off

And then all the component bits just you know felt 70s British Leyland cheap

You look at it what it was up against is British Leyland cheap then go and sit in your stag in the garage

That is 70s British Leyland cheap. That's the same as the princess

You can't criticize it and then go and buy a stag. Maybe it's just the design

I don't like I mean the no, I don't know so the quality the quality is not there

Well, that's that's that's consistent fact you look at it. Well, it was up against like that

You know those Volvo States was up against Granada's it was up against Audi's it was up against like

Alfa Mayer's, you know, those are all cool cars the Citroens at the time were cool cars. I mean his primary

rival was the

The Cortina the Granada the entry level Granada's and the Citroen CX. I'd rather had a Citroen CX

Yeah, but if you look at the Fords, you know the Fords were boxy styling and they were pretty bland boxy styling

I mean the problem with the Fords is they worked and the princess didn't so that that was the core problem with

The princess sales because it didn't sell that well actually because it didn't sell that well

It became quite cheap. So it was quite a bargain at the time

But I think if it had worked people would now be looking back at that design thinking that is something

That was a bookmark of classic car design in the 1970s

It's just because it was let down by bad engines and certainly bad production because it fell apart

Otherwise apart from that that is a good car. So why don't you see many of them about it's not revered is it as a car?

No, because I think it had a bad reputation didn't it because it had very bad build quality

But actually by the time you got to the princess 2, which I think was like 1978

It had different engines. The reliability was a lot better

The interior was still that kind of spacious light bright

Princess feel I think the princess 2 was a much much better car

Now I think if that princess 2 had been the original car

Princesses would be a lot better remembered and funnily enough. I have one on your screen now. This is a 1981

Red princess 2 now it is it's the 1.7 hl

So it's the basic spec and okay if you look at the velour it's a bit rumpled and it's a bit tired

But actually the interior is one of the winning parts of the princess because it's so spacious

It's big. It was a great car to be in in the 1970s, particularly if you come from a mini club in the state

Yeah, but it suffered at the time from poor marketing. It was supposed to be luxury on a budget

You know might have been spacious, but the whole touch everything you touched just looked cheap

I mean to take your take your point on the fact that you didn't get a chance

I mean that unfortunately is the story of a lot of british cars

Isn't it they were botched at launch and then they you know by that time the ship had sailed

You know it may have got refined for me the design is one of my big problems with it

And second is the cheapness of it. It's just everything about that car feels cheap every the one that we looked at the nc

Everything you touch and you feel you sit in and you see

Looks nasty and that's my problem with the princess if it was such a great car

You would see them at car meets people don't like them

They just it was almost like a utility car and and as soon as as soon as the time had moved on

They got crushed. Well, I want to put another one in a crusher today

I'm going to give you a win here because I'm going to let you crush something

I'm not going to let you crush the princess or the princess too

What you can do is crush the austin ambassador which came after it which used the

Grill and the front lights from the morris itl

So you can crush that but please leave the princesses to me and my childhood

I think they're best as a memory to be honest princesses. I mean ambassador was worse

You're right morris itl was worse

But I think you know these are the best left in the 70s these cars

I mean, yes, they were wow

I mean it's it is hilarious that that the advertising was are you going to impress the neighbor because

If you pulled up in one of these now you just would depress nobody apart apart from you

I'd love it. I wish please pull up next to me in the princess

I just think every the execution the design the execution of the whole thing was just rubbish

It was trying to be cool as to say it was it's the it's the car equivalent

Of your dad or an uncle dancing at a wedding. It just makes it just makes me cringe

Look at the positive. Look at the positives. Well, look at the positives. There are positives

There's a spacious interior. The interior felt great. There's the hydrogas

You want to get out of made a really nice handling car it rode beautifully and also there's the design

You don't like it, but that's just subjective. I think a 70s wedge design is quite cool

I will give you all the points you've made

Some of the valid some of them not but let's just leave the princess

To sleep quietly because it is a 70s relic

But it's an interesting part of the 1970s story the ambassador yuck crush it think they're right or think they're wrong

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Here's a question. Have you ever bought a car because of a tv advert?

Uh, I don't think I have but I probably wanted one now these days manufacturers just drown the internet with free cars for

Influencers to test but back when millions of people watched itv

Adverts were a massive part of selling a car as solid as a rock

As reliable as time as comfortable as your favorite armchair

In 1982 ford cortina more than ever

A car above comparison

Yeah, that 82 cortina advert there is just it just making you

Want it, isn't it that you know the car adverts were were expensive

They were sort of made to make you desire the car a lot were made with feature film quality and huge great budgets

I mean, do you remember the rena one nicole papa with the rena cleo and then paula hamilton

Sort of dumping her pearls but not the gti keys or the hot that honda cog advert

I think it was like really really expensive wasn't it?

I mean, I think it was said to be the most expensive car advert of all time

But i'm not sure whether that's true that was the one where all the different rolling parts

Rolled into each other at the end and made a honda a quarter state

So maybe the moving parts are slightly better than the sum of them, but I think it was a great advert. Isn't it nice

When things just work

It did show you and made the point very very well that that hondas were well put together

Um, we've been talking about cars that weren't that well put together

So, uh, british layland had some memorable ads, didn't they? Yeah as a bl fan surprise surprise

I used to love the two ronnie's advertising allegros and marinas. Do you remember that?

The Allegro very economical shown by a's drive magazine to be one of the cheapest cars to run on four wheels

We need to be wouldn't it with petrofibre and eternal gallon you have been away a long time, sir

Do you like it inside didn't see I've been inside

Yeah, that was a very over time that those sort of adverts those sort of skitty sketch shows

There was a stag one where somebody it was a very confessions of a window cleaner thing

Where the wife gets caught with a bloke in bed and the the husbands come home and then he chases them to the bl dealership

I'm home sugarplow

I want to test driving a quick car. Of course, sir

Now that model turned into triumph stag the gentleman in the stag seems familiar to him

And as fashions moved on into sort of the 80s, then then the sort of trends moved on as well

Didn't they remember once for the metro? Good morning, mr. Menzel, sir

Yeah, the metro adverts were really expensive because let me list the cast list on this

Eric Idle Murray Walker and former formula one champ

Nigel Mansell, no doubt you've come to see the new rover fastback

Oh metro actually

The metro of course a true drivers car handy around town

Absolutely nige words right out of my mouth all those people involved in flogging a metro

I'm going to play this music max as we as we talk it's an advert that was just music

It's from the late 70s and it really had an impact on me

Built by robots fiat strada. Do you remember that ad? Oh, yeah, absolutely cars weren't built by robots

So we're generally built by grumpy men in donkey jackets with sideburns went until that point

And this was like space age, you know the fact that I think it was the first car

That was actually built completely, you know on an automated line, wasn't it fiat strada?

I mean it was built by robots and then then fell apart on it on his own didn't make it any good

Did it the robots are obviously having a bad week on that one, but yeah

But that was quite I remember that and that really stuck in my my

Brain as well and you mentioned that that vw squeaky earring ad

Yeah, that was great, isn't it inside of golf is a passengers earring that was really funny when he was driving

Along trying to find that squeak and we all do that kind of thing, isn't it?

You hear a noise and you're looking around and you're pressing and you're pushing and you're thinking. Where's that coming from?

And at the end he got a mechanic to come in and

Oil his passengers earring because that was the thing that was making the squeak that was classic vw advertising

Really good sense of humor those vw ads

Very very clever as well because it got the point across really really well

so I think that that helped sell a lot of volts violence didn't it because

The early 90s onwards they then had this really really stellar reputation through advertising

Of being really really solid cars and people were prepared to pay a bit more money from

I think I bought a Volkswagen actually on the basis of those adverts

I bought a Volkswagen polo new on the basis of the

Concept that the car was really really well screwed together. It wasn't going to be squeaky

You know that was worth paying the extra money

And I think it was you know cars were quite expensive

If you didn't have finance and stuff back in the 80s and 90s, you know you had to put your money down

But I think they ad made a big big difference. They weren't all flash though. Were they?

I mean somewhere on a lower budget

They were listing a lot of mundane standard items and there's there's this one here for a voxel shove it

These are the new 1983 voxel chevets a 1300 engine a smart saloon with a real boot

Reclining seats with cloth trim plus a push button radio quartz clock

So ads like that max were very mundane and boring weren't they you know, it's got wind up windows

It's got 1300 engine but obviously that for local dealers and don't talk about you don't see them anymore

Do you I mean it used to be on tv and radio all the time didn't they for the local car dealers

This is another one. I found have a listen to this one

DC Cuff your new Renault dealer at Canclo Road, Rotherham bring you not percent finance over three years on the fabulous Renault 5

Only 19 pounds 99 a week. Yes only

99 a week

Fantastic, I can't see paula hamilton getting ahead of one of those at 1999 a week

1999 though for a Renault 5. I'm watching what that gets you fish and chips in a pub now, doesn't it?

It could be driving a Renault 5

You can see though why vw would desperate to go up market because those adverts really do set the tone of the car

Don't they I mean if the cheap voiceover and a cheap jingle is on a Renault 5

You're going to just going to think cheap

You're going to associate it with cheap things and that's why vw was so clever in moving

What is a bog standard car? You know a vw golf?

They moved up market with those adverts

And I think that's part of the key of the advertising is they managed to redefine the car just through their tv adverts

What do we think of modern car adverts? I can't really remember a memorable one in the last few years

I mean, they're all very speeding through a desert saying professional driver closed course

You know warning you off having any fun

If you're a manufacturer you give your car to an influencer and have a 20 minute youtube video made about it

I think 30 second car adverts. They're pretty dead. Aren't they? It's a shame really. I think the the days of the clever witty funny

car

Advertising industry has sort of gone as you say it's become more sort of youtube based and you know get your influencers to make shorts about it

Honestly, I can't remember in the last few years a memorable car

print ad

Or an outdoor billboard ad or a tv ad or a radio ad that made me go. Oh, that's clever

In those days we used to be proud of our cars

You know a car was a status symbol and a car was something to aspire to and you could impress the neighbors and turning up with a car

And there was that kind of pride around buying a car now

There isn't that kind of pride isn't it because it's more of just a piece of transport to get from a to b

And we've got to be slightly embarrassed about the emissions and big engines are bad

So the kind of relationship that we've got with cars has changed therefore advertising has followed us and changed as well

Episode 40 of the tire kick is is over. That's it for now next episode

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How old were you when you realized that cars would turn out to be a lifelong obsession and the cut price xk 120

We think mga values have never been so low

So is it time to bend over backwards and snap one up at the bending over backwards?

That's just getting into one. Oh, yeah my back. Um, so that's all coming next time

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