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Alright on this episode of the show one of our local racetracks another one of our local racetracks is for sale
I did 1400 miles in the Corvette Erie Bugatti has thrown back to
itself and also ice can suck my ass
Hannah rented a Ford Maverick in Fort Collins for her trip
Oh, cool. She calls me from the rental lot and asked me what she should get and I used to go first off
No, Nissan's no Mitsubishi's
There's a leaf from there. We want to go we really want we're looking for like a Hyundai
Or a Toyota or a Ford or maybe a Kia is kind of where we're at
And so she was like how about a Ford Maverick?
I was like that sounds great get that and then she realized that she's essentially never parked a car
With like a bed before yeah, and it has a backup camera, but because it's like the base model
It doesn't have like sensors or really anything else and so she's like yeah, I'm not good at parking this thing
But I feel like if the camera doesn't have sensors and stuff doesn't matter if there's a better not the camera
I feel like has gotten rid of the whole I don't know what the camera looks like in a Maverick
I have a shitty camera. It could be a bad camera like it could be on the top of the
Cab and not on the tailgate. True. I don't know where it is. I've no like I
Think like if she had a hatchback, but it had a bad camera with no guidelines you still have to go mirrors and Hannah's also like bad
Generally of like she's not a bad driver, but she's a she's bad at like knowing exactly where her wheels are sure
You know what I mean? She has she has trouble
Straddling potholes that aren't like right in the middle of the lane. You know I mean I can understand that yeah
She'll often go or fully around a pothole rather than straddle it because she doesn't think she can actually straddle it when she can yeah
Yeah, are we live do exist? Yeah, we do they say the sound is good
Does she like Maverick now or have you not you've not heard back?
She said it's fine. She says fine. I don't think she'll be buying one, but she said it's fine
Hey everybody welcome
Welcome to the program was our last show me in in Arizona. It was right. Yeah, I'm sorry about the hotel ass audio of that one
I hope it was okay, but it was it was a show
man a few things have happened since then and
Without going into great detail. I would like to give a quick shout out to
The commuters in Minneapolis
The commute you know who you are you know I'm talking about the people commuting in Minneapolis right now
they're doing the fucking work and
These are some very brave people that are
Commuting is what they call the people that are following ice around. Oh
learning legal observer legal observers these people are doing very dangerous work. Yeah, they're helping their neighbors
They're helping their neighbors who don't look like them which is very Christian of them in case you do that sort of thing and and they're they're
Non-violently opposing a violent invading force in their city. They're getting creative. They're incredibly organized
It's fucking cold there. It was like six degrees
Fucking cold there. Yeah, these are some tough ass people and so I'm not that tough
I'm a fucking pussy. I would I if I was in this situation. What would I do? I'd feed those people
I would set up a fucking barbecue and I'd feed those people. That's what I would do
I mean every movement needs a system. That's all it's all and I'm sure some people would appreciate that food
I wouldn't be the ones out there taunting those fucking pussies with fucking big guns and masks
I wouldn't be but there's fucking hard-ass people
That are doing that work right now and that's fucking legit as fuck. Yeah, I mean the protest was super
I mean admirable and sadly necessary well
There's the protests and then there's like the helpers
Then there's the good observers are important because the documentation is important because we through this again
We've learned that like the official narrative. Yeah, duh-duh-duh-duh and they go here's the video showing it's not all like that
Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna murder you and then they're gonna call you a terrorist on television, right?
And yeah, even when there's like 12 angles of
Fucking ice shooting you in the back or in the face
Or the video his handgun was taken away, but the official story. Yeah. Oh love the 2a guys there
Oh boy, are they saying he had it coming? No, the NRA came out and was like
Finally the NRA does something consistent with itself
Well, they have they are they have to they're up against the wall
Yeah, but I mean fuck the people all I'm trying to say is the real fucking folks out there that are
Fucking freezing their balls off and chasing these bitches out of fucking town in their cars with whistles and horns and fucking
Air horns and shit that requires a lot of bravery fucking dude guys walking around the streets with leaf blowers to disperse tear gas
Bro, I'm reading articles from journalists, you know who have been there and have talked to these folks talking about going to guys house
He's got a living room full of leaf blowers
Going to the guy's house. He's got fucking 20 megaphones. So they're gonna call an arms dealer, right, right?
Yeah, and these guys are they're fucking there's no it's like the Malibu cars and coffee. There's no central organization
It's all decentralized on signal chats and shit like that
It's just people helping people and it's fucking amazing to watch. It's like it's terrible
Obviously, I spent most of the weekend in this sort of alternating state of like, you know dread
and
Not fear specifically, but just this sort of like it's gonna come for all of us sort of thing
But also like then I started reading stories about like Minnesotans
Who are like
hardcore like
Just fucking getting it done and and organizing and talking to each other and feeding each other and helping each other and hiding
Interview on channel five news. Do you watch that guy?
Channel five news is great. This is a YouTube channel, but probably like the best unbiased
journalism videos out right now and
like
I don't you would like him a lot. I'll try it out. I'm down and
But he went he usually lands in these places right as it's happening and someone just talking to camera was like, you know
The political party is not coming for you. Yeah, like you have to do this together. Yeah, that's always true
Chris hedges, do you know him? Yeah, fantastic journalist. I mean, yeah, he preaches this a lot
like you have to do nonviolent organized stuff and it has to be the people because
You know, there's no there's not gonna be an organization of like
Law enforcement on the side of the people or like law enforcement. I mean law enforcement is gently resisting
There was a bunch of police chiefs in New York
That spoke out together publicly about ice hat harassing their citizens and they're like, what the fuck?
Yeah, this is not how you do this, but
They can't like go to the ground. So there I mean there's
There's a there's a non-zero
Possibility that there could be a violent confrontation between federal and local law enforcement. Yeah, there
I mean, there's really a decent why I had a lot of people wrote really interesting stuff this weekend Hamilton Nolan
West Siler wrote a really decent really really interesting piece. I thought
Garbage day as always was fucking on it. Yeah, that's a must read
And of course popular information is a must read of course Judd Legum very important
Accountability newsletter my tinfoil hat thought this weekend was ice has changed their uniforms to say police instead of ice
Yeah, because then if federal and local show up at the same place and have a discrepancy
Yeah, it's harder for local police to identify. Yeah, there guys and who is ice
That's that's crazy because that's criminal thought
That's what people doing crimes do dress up like cops like that's that's crazy
Um, I don't want to spend the whole show on this but I just you know, you got a fucking I had to get the thoughts out about
First I was like I'm gonna come in the fucking say a bunch of things about how ice or a bunch piece of shit
Which is true, but it's more important to focus on the people that are like doing the fucking the good things down
Yeah, so like shout out to those people and I hope there's someone right now
Driving around Minnesota listening to this podcast and fucking honking air horns at ice
That would be that would make me so happy if someone sends me a video of a fucking car
Chasing ice out of town while playing this podcast
Fucking dinners on me Habibi. Let's fucking go. I just think it's a great celebration of the fact that you know
We the people can't get things done and it's just because these people this force shows up with all the gear
All the right was trying to intimidate and all that stuff
And it's like just the simple and it's amazing to see people's organic organization of like oh, we're gonna follow them
Document stuff. Here's how you do that like it's just it's impressive how quickly those methods have come to be in the last six months
Well, it depends
Fascism depends on people staying home, of course
It depends on a pre-fear of a fear of what's gonna happen. So you don't do the thing you were gonna do
Well, that's why they call it one of terrorists because they go because they're saying they're not
Yes, they're accusing the person that they shot of being a thing what they're really doing in my opinion
Is they're informing the whole audience of the news going this is what we're gonna call you?
Yeah, this is how it's gonna go for you. Yeah for sure and we have Palantir now to watch you
Yeah, we have all the money and we have
Absolutely warranted warrantless data tracking software remember that software. I told you about I told talked about in the show
Because I met my friend who was a commercial
Had a commercial real estate business and he showed me his phone with this app that showed
Everyone who came into their stores and where they were coming from and where they were going and it was like not
Expensive to get this and he was just like a commercial fucking real estate guy and it didn't just show his stores
It showed all the stores. It showed every commercial business in this region. He purchased
It was like thirty forty thousand dollars for the year, which is both a lot of money and not a lot of money
That's not a lot of money to track every single person in the neighborhood
Yeah, and it's not a lot of money if you own a hundred shopping centers
Which this this person does and it's not a lot of money for the fucking government and
This software which the which they can now use government's now using without without warrants. They don't need warrants to use it
Can can fucking just track phones just where they're going. Oh, you're at a protest can track you right to your house
Like so that's why you know West Silor's article this this weekend was like what do you do if
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You know, how do you sort of what is a what if what is a prepper's mindset look like?
In in that type of case, you know because for most people like home is safe like that's but but
between ice
Following people home using fucking shady ass tracking software
Sold to them by Palantir or
whether they are
Fucking I mean I completely lost my train of thought. I'm so fucking just
discombobulated by this but like
You can just be followed to your like to your house like, you know, so that or I'm sorry
Whether they're following you doing that or whether they're just doing fucking warrantless
warrantless raids now which apparently is a thing so so the first amendment that's gone
second amendment kind of on ice because fucking this dude pretty Alex Alex pretty yeah legally fucking carrying and
Didn't pull it under major threat
Helps a woman and they fucking disarm him and shoot him in the back and say he was there to murder everybody, right?
Legally, I mean doing the literally the good guy with the gun, right the fucking choir boy nurse
Veterans affairs nurse yeah, yeah, that's there is no gooder guy with a gun who in the face of that
Violence to doesn't pull it
Which I think is very smart, and I you know, I think and a lot of people talk about it's like
If they instigate a violent confrontation
Like then do they get just then can they justify martial law then can they suspend elections well?
That's what Trump wants, right exactly. He's just so I think the restraint being shown by all the people that go to these protests
And all the people that are there is really admirable and Chris Hedges again like amazing nonpartisan journalist does it fantastic work
He put out a video. That's just like non-violence is the only way because the state can always
Exact more violence on the people than the people will ever be able to act exact on the state
Well, and how about Christie gnomes fucking podium you see do you see Christie gnomes podium?
She fucking is up there with a podium
She's speaking from an on of it on written on the back of the podium
It says one of us all of you
Oh, this this wasn't some AI thing this was on CNN she gave a speech you see as you see it
The one of us all of you podium I
Believe that's the exact wording one of us all of you or one of us all of them
Either way one of ours all of you one of ours all of yours. Excuse me if I didn't get the exact fascism words, right?
But think about that. They think about that. Do you know what that that's the implication is
Is collective punishment, right?
If you get if you injure or kill one of ours, we're gonna kill all of you, right? That's literally a war crime
Like she's up there given a speech with a fucking
Declaration of a war crime written on the podium
Like that's how little these people give a fuck about that podium was that was the picture
I found was from January 8th. So I don't know if she's using that podium
January 8th is not very long. No, it's not. I thought you were saying that the podium was
Made during like it's not made this weekend. That's not made this weekend
No, no, no, but still the whatever head of fucking, you know, it's still saying that what it's saying. It's yeah
Yeah, that's that's like that's you know, that's where we're at right now is with like people in charge going
We're gonna do sure war crimes, right and like there is just nothing
That's how fascist intimidation works. Yeah, but Minnesota has shown I think so far that
You they can't control the whole city actually
No, they can they think they can but they but they can't and that's they picked the wrong fucking city
They didn't pick a fucking city full of pussies. Did they they picked a fucking tough city to try and run a mucky
You know these observers if they they were doing this in LA when ice first showed up here and there was some some great
Instagram accounts that were doing the same thing like yeah cars whistles
They were and there are people they go to Long Beach
They figured out where ice is like base was yeah, and they just watch them
And then they would follow the cars when they left and follow them to the neighborhoods
Help provide advice to neighbors that are getting approached and stuff like that. So it's this
These methods have just like evolved and developed and spread really quickly and it's fantastic to see and I think people if you live Minnesota
You're tough like it's cold. You are a tough person
And usually very nice people so I went to college with folks from Minneapolis
Let me tell you something all of them had super ethnic fucking names
None of them were like Minnesota white people none of them were that they were all fucking Hispanic or
African-ish names of folks who are Americans by the way
I say they had they were they were children of immigrants who were Americans that just had very ethnic, you know last names
And it surprised me back then I was like Minnesota like you guys are Minnesota
No, like Minnesota like they were hardcore about yeah being from there
And when they graduate and call they all none of them everyone else New York
I am ELA everyone I'm right back to fucking Minnesota my friend Jim claps from Minnesota and so very white name
But he was the guy that would wear shorts in January in Colorado. Yeah, and it would be 12 degrees
I know that guy and he's like I'm not cold just because he's used to it and we're all on bundle up
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got these got the Tivas the shorts and the Tiva winner. Yeah, literally cargo shorts
Yeah, and like maybe like one puffy jacket. Yeah, they're hard as fuck up there. Yeah, shout out to Minnesota for sure
Fucking we fucking respect you guys
All right cars should we do cars then how about that?
Where do we want to start? Oh, should we start with the update to my lemonade rant? Yeah. Yeah, definitely
So two shows ago
We talked about this company lemonade that was offering
sort of discount rates for
Tesla FSD users right and they implied that using teff it Tesla has these so much safer that
That we did we had 25 minutes on this about why it's stupid and medium level bullshit
Well, we have a letter from a listener
who preferred to not be
Identified by name, but has been an auto insurance
Industry representative for 20 years. Okay. I have purse. This is from the letter
I have personally tested just under a dozen telematics platforms that insurers use
Even without autonomous driving being a factor a huge challenge with these systems is figuring out who is driving and the
Mechanisms that they use this to determine
The mechanisms they use to determine this are sometimes goofy when the stuff first came out
I'm gonna paraphrase a little bit because a lot of words here when the stuff first came out
You plug the dongle into the OBD port to gather driving data in these cases
It was evaluated based on the car as time went on the dongle went away in favor of monitoring monitoring the behavior of your phone
using the accelerometer
And GPS which presented new challenges
You could get dinged for speeding while being on a train or you could be pegged as driving
Aggressively as while you are the passenger in a car amazing
One of the many janky ways they controlled to identify for being a passenger was using your phone's accelerometer to determine
If you lowered yourself down into the right or down into the left
Some programs have dozens of such indicators which will take in together create a
Directionally correct picture of what's going on but with many obvious exceptions and errors which which editorial
I suppose makes insurance telematics and AV driving a match made in heaven
The end game for all this is that every OEM will provide connected vehicle data to a
Centralized data exchange that will operate exactly like a credit bureau
The only reason there's any hope of this not happening in our lifetimes is that insurance regulation is convoluted and administered at the state level
Which makes it very difficult to pull off on the national level to be clear
This is not a take accepted nationwide, but one that I personally carry in many insurance boardrooms
ps your I
Your assertion that there is no data of FSD being safer
Asides from what Elon says is correct if this data did exist the industry would price on it and aside from tech
Bro insurance startups that don't actually have to make any money the industry does not
so
Not necessarily should be taken as gospel, but that's an insider's take as to why
these sort of
Driver tracking based insurance programs are just bad across the board and why this one that that
That claims all this stuff with Tesla and FSD seems to be medium level bullshit. So thank you for that one
Yeah, we appreciate that's an insight
That's fun, but speaking of which Alex Roy
Did actually along with two of his buddies whose names I forget right now?
Sorry did actually go from LA to New York using FSD with allegedly zero interventions or disconnections
Yeah, so I was reading up on this. It was like 58 hours, which sounds fucking awful if you ask me
but
But I guess
FSD has and this is probably what camisa experienced when he was texting about it as well
they changed something in the
FSD algorithm or not algorithm who changed
Tesla okay changed something in the way it operates. So if it would get confused
Previously it would you have a disconnect
But now it has a new sort of methodology where it tries to solve its own problems a few times first
before disconnecting and one of the things that Alex said was
Without this update there would have been a couple of disconnections on this drive, but because they're now I
Don't know if it's more computing power
I don't know if it's just a changing of parameters
But they have and if you scroll down in this story, they have the actual they casually call it try try again
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Oh, it doesn't have it. Okay, never mind
It's it but out the way I described it is essentially how it works. It just makes further attempts to solve its own problems
Before actually disconnecting which I mean on the one hand it makes you wonder why that wasn't doing that before but on the other hand like
Well, they they always roll things out sure a little early, you know take them out of the oven before they're really done
I also think they it wasn't
Number of disconnections or lack there of seem to be an
Indicator of the system being good or not and so my guess is they
prioritized
I'm not saying they like bullshaded or finagled but they prioritized
Reducing the number of disconnects. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. I mean I I could see them doing that
I think then the question would be from out from people like Alex aside. You almost have to have this
Subjective observation of okay, did it did it do did it make more mistakes or do anything weird but remain connected?
You know to the point where he's
Yeah, okay, six months ago. It would have disconnected here
But right now it's staying connected and figuring it out and wandering in the lane a little bit or so
Or if he says it was actually a lot more flawless
Then they've improved both sides, you know. Yeah
Look, I I don't disagree or that they have slowly improved this system
I I don't think I've ever
Really argued that there was a slow incremental improvement of this system. I just I
Don't I still don't fucking it's still a level-two system like it's you know
I still I would not ride in the Tesla that didn't have a very attentive human operator
Monitoring such a system if I would at any day of the fucking week Zach
Absolutely any day of the week would I ride with Alex Roy in his Tesla using FSD a hundred percent
Mm-hmm. I trust that person to use that system
Responsibly, but like would I would I be comfortable with like any fucking uber driver just hitting it and like zoning out like nah
I don't think so and what would I would be comfortable in a driverless?
Taxi that had the system absolutely not not what compared to what I've seen with Waymo's well
So that you I'm sure you saw the story to the Tesla's in Austin now. They don't have
Observational drivers in the car anymore, but they have cars following the robo-taxies that are observing
Yeah, so so they're like eight years behind Waymo. They definitely are and I mean I think I mean think the article
They were attacking Tesla a bit for the creative wording which I do understand
But also they have now let a car out into the world where no one can grab the wheel if they are if something goes wrong with it
So it seems like a step towards, you know letting these things just drive around like Waymo did
Yeah, it is a step towards, but I just I can't I can't stress enough how
Redundancy of sensor suites is so important. I agree with you. I totally agree. Just I just can't stress that shit
We'll be so smart if they if they wanted to go all in on the robo-taxi thing is if they could have like bolt-on radar stuff
Like take the existing car. It's got the cameras. It's got that sweet then add on the light our radar
It'll stick out just like it does on the Waymo, but it would be a safer thing to operate
But that would hurt their stock because it's not something you or I could buy at the dealership, right, you know, yeah
I mean and still we we still have the the thing of I mean Tesla can self-insure
Their cyber caps right they got all they got lots of money. They don't need insurance. They can self-insure Waymo self-insures
They're fucking Google. They don't need regular car insurance, but like you
Zach Klattman there there is no path yet for the individual to
Purchase
Really at any price a policy that will cover a
car that's being driven autonomously and we and we have no
No one has stepped up and even Mercedes if you saw pulled back on that level three car
And they'll yeah, they've maybe not no one has stepped up and said
We will stand behind our technology when being used by the general public and I don't
See that happening
Fucking anytime soon. Well, I mean insurance is all about risk and they want to reduce as much
I mean they stop covering a lot of houses in California because of fire
Yeah, like they're not gonna cover autonomous cars
I think until the data is really really clear to them. Yeah, it's not any close anywhere close, right?
It's not close and it also needs to be made. Well, maybe not public
But at least given to them and they probably want you know millions of miles of data like Waymo has so
They have to and way most are I mean way most aren't aren't perfect, but no
They're they're I think they're the front-runner right now. Yeah, they're the leader and they're sure by Google
They're not misleading
That's the the difference to me is that Waymo's aren't misleading you they operate in a fucking area
You can see the map of that. You know what they are. They're they I mean, I can't believe I'm defending fucking Google of all
People they're like they're they're as evil as anybody else, but like I
Think it's a more honest product. I think they should approach it more cautiously and whether it was because they saw
Elon's method and went ooh, okay, that hasn't gone well for him
Or it's just not in the nature of Google and the people that work there. They're a different person
Well, they certainly didn't go buy this today and it'll work tomorrow. Yeah for six fucking set or seven years
I don't know. They also just they don't grab the headlines like he does. I mean he for years
He was everyone was like it's our Tony Stark
It's the real thing and then he went totally crazy and that's that's there's an there's an entire road and track column about why
Fucking huge red flag for any news article is if in the headline it says Elon Musk says
Just anything that follows no, but I'm just saying like deeply horseshit
Like I've told this story before but I read an article once where it was like
Tesla crashes into Nissan and I was like oh and it was during the fervor a few years ago when everyone's paying attention
I clicked on it and it's a video of a Nissan crashing into a Tesla
Right the Tesla is stopped at a red light and I went oh, they're just using Tesla was the headline grab, right?
So I don't maybe Waymo didn't ever have that kind of cultural cachet
So I'm wondering like it did did you buy one were they more cautious in how they talked about or promised their future?
Or did they just not get the attention and the headlines and so I think that's what it was
right
You if you bullshit the future your stock goes up like a lot
But it's also like deeply irresponsible and so
Only fucking Elon could get away with it
No other publicly traded company could have leadership that would lie to everybody like that and still be in place
Well, no Sam all is doing pretty good. Well. Yeah, for sure for sure. Yeah
Yeah, what's his name Sam bankman freed? I guess, you know, it was doing grow real good right until he wasn't yeah
But I don't think any company in the world
Could could
Bullshit for 15 years as convincingly as Elon Musk has to I don't know why because a lot of the things he say to me sound
Catastrophically stupid. I mean, it's also cars are in our wheelhouse. I'm sure there's you know
The fucking tweet right people said people called Elon Musk a genius because of his cars
And I didn't know cars so I assumed he was a genius and they called him a genius because of his rockets
And I don't know rockets. So I assumed he was a genius
But I know software and then he started talking about software on Twitter and I saw the stupidest motherfucker
I've ever seen talk about software. What did I learn? Don't go near his cars or rockets
One of the most concise explanations ever written well, but I also think I don't think you could like I won't write off
His rockets because his his Twitter text sucks and Grock is you know, and he's like a terrible person point is that he
professes genius and people
People label him a genius sure in areas. He is absolutely not a fucking genius
And I think that is a flaw of inhuman nature. It's we ask celebrities what they think about XYZ
Yeah, some celebrity and I'm celebrities actors
I'm just gonna say actors and it's because we celebrate them for doing this thing
They make us feel a certain way we watch a movie or a TV show and we go
Well, what do you think about this technical problem and then they say something and we go
I can't believe that this person said that you know, that's you shouldn't you shouldn't be amazed by this
They trained at acting. They're an entertainer. They might not know everything about COVID vaccine
Molecular biology or whatever or spaceships, but that's so that's the thing is we just go you're good at this
Are you good at all these other things because we all want a God?
Yeah, and that's a dumb thing to do. It's a really dumb thing to do really dumb
I mean your God pretty soon your God's gonna start talking about white genocide, you know, like it's fucking
I'm saying like it's not going well over there. Sure
Imagine being that rich and that miserable be crazy. It's a common thing apparently. I know I aspire my may I may I
Have the wherewithal to be a tom from my space, you know, right? Should I ever get that much money?
All you're gonna see from me is pretty ass landscapes. That's gonna be the end of my Instagram
Here's a landscape of somewhere you can't for a dirt man. It's just wagons, right for a while. It was just like old wagons
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Should we talk about the e-ray? I should review the the e-ray. Yeah, use a lot of the Corvette array
There it is on the right. There is that there is a picture of the array in there
1400 miles in three and a half days solo in the e-ray
So I think that qualifies me for learning about it for those who don't know the e-ray is
It's a it's a hybrid sort of it's kind of a hybrid
It's not a hybrid in the way that most people will think about a hybrid and in that regard
I think it's actually a bit of a failure of GM to even call it a hybrid because
The truth is or call it the e-ray. I don't think the e-ray is the kind of
Name that will attract who GM is probably trying to attract to buy this car because those people are probably like hi
Or something like that, right and I drove this car a lot you don't plug it in
You'd have to convince somebody that this car is actually a hybrid
Like there's nothing about it that acts like a hybrid car really there really isn't
The there's a there's a small battery that powers the front drive for it's a single motor for the two front wheels
So it's it's all-wheel drive in order to really activate the all-wheel drive system
You either need to have a situation where you're beyond the limit of grip
In a corner and it's activated by the stability control and those kind of like yaw sensors and stuff or you have to be at like
over 50% throttle, okay
Now remember the the e-rays
Output the the is is rear wheels gas power
Front wheels electric power. There isn't some motor generator in the gearbox
That does a torque-filly thing or a sort of off-the-line shove the way that Porsche's systems or Lamborghini systems or McLaren systems do
So what I'm saying is if you drive this car around on a clear day at under 50% throttle
It's a stingray
through and through z51 stingray you will not
Activate nor really do anything with the electric motor
There will be a little bit of regenerative braking when you brush the brakes
It does it does regen first if it has battery before going to the to caliper a little bit
But you you don't notice it much
If you get into the pedal and it does the sound and you can feel the extra thrust
Then now you know you've got it and this fucking thing goes in a straight line this car boogies
It was a fast car in 655 horsepower. It goes like a motherfucker and if you launch it, it's in the twos
You know, it's a very fast car
but
Temorario McLaren Artura
Acura NSX Porsche 918 all these other cars because they've got those two motors up front that can do that
Incredible infinite torque vectoring brake vectoring in this car
You you don't have the magic steering that you have in those cars
And actually because it's motor into differential into you have a heavier steering than you would have in a stingray or in a
Z06 so the weight of the steering is a lot and
Most of the time the trade-off in power
Doesn't give back most of the time it feels like a darty and heavy steering stingray
Which is it doesn't mean it's bad
It just means that it was sort of pitched as sort of the road trippers Corvette and actually I think if I was road tripping
I'd rather just have a regular stingray
The front the front tires are two seventy-fives in this car
And and I think it may have had a sort of journalist spec alignment on it because it was darty and
1400 miles in a darty car my I don't know what this muscle is
It's part of either that where my peck meets my armpit
Just from holding it straight for that long. This was a two hands on the wheel drive for all this
Was was a lot
I would I would hope that you can dial the alignment more relaxed a little bit if you're really gonna do these kind of miles in
One of these cars
And it sounds I'm getting down on this car
Here's why you shouldn't
This one is fully loaded and it's a hundred and thirty three thousand bucks. That's with all the carbon
It's with all the ceramic brakes the upgraded wheels the upgraded interior like all that stuff and it's a ton of car
It's super fast even at that price
I
Think I'd rather have a zero six for the same money
That's where I would that's where I would go
But like I get it and if you really didn't want to drive one of these through the winter
The all-wheel drive would help you if you had the right tires
I drove it in the ice and on ps4 s's the the all-wheel drive was not
Substantially helpful as helpful as I said the proper tires would have been
Okay having said that
The the the stingray powertrain the LT1 engine in that gearbox is still great
I mean if the engine isn't doesn't have the fizz of the flat plane motor
But it still it sounds tough on the cold start, you know, it's it's it's very revs very smooth
The power band is very even
It's an excellent engine for what it's being asked to do
The ergonomics of the car are largely very good. Yeah, very comfortable
I will say that the the the binnacle which is where the the roof meets the windshield is a little bit low
For taller drivers, and I only noticed this after a lot of miles two three four hours
No big deal days. I found myself doing this
Which is where the viper posture the viper or Huracan posture, which is where you just droop your head down a couple of inches
Subconsciously you don't even notice it so that you have a more level vision through and my neck started to hurt
And we're talking days. There's not not hours days of driving that would be the new interior
They've gotten rid of the wall of buttons
Much better. Yeah, this actually if you're going a long distance
solo
This driver's cockpit is so well set up for you. Everything is just right at right at your hands and
GM's like UI is really really really good clear
What's the TV doing it's flickering?
and
It's it's an easy car to use everything just sort of falls where you want it to be
The seat is
Pretty well adjustable
It doesn't have that thigh support thing that I like that the BMWs and the Porsches have but but it has good lumbar
It has good side bolstering. I
Cannot get behind the square steering wheel
It does it really doesn't do it for me at all and really over long distances
It did not make my hands feel very good
I think the fact that I had to really hold the car straight also didn't help
But I'd really like a round wheel that mod that I saw in Texas where the guy put the Cadillac black wing wheel on one
Of these did I show you that I don't think I put it on Instagram
But I there's a GM engineer at the race in Texas that had a
Prototype C8 prototype. Oh, you told me about it. They'd done up as like a track car and it had a round wheel on it
And it was amazing
So that you need you definitely want a round wheel the digital rear-view mirror
Mm-hmm click over so
You know on the one hand keep going keep going look at that. Look at sunrise. Yeah, the digital rear-view mirror
So the digital rear-view mirror on the one hand can brighten up very dark environments or or or or kick down very bright
Environments it it has a much wider field of view than just looking out the back window
And and you can adjust the camera angle a little bit
So that's okay, and and also you don't have to use it
You can also this can be used as a regular mirror if you flip it up. Okay, yeah, but so
Here's something I noticed about the digital mirror and it actually relates a bit to
Tesla and AVs and camera camera only systems
When you have this digital rear-view mirror and then you have your real side mirrors
And you can see kind of the same scene from both when it's clear like this
The digital mirror I could see that there's trucks behind me and cars behind me
If I look at that same from the same distance same scene I can see that's a Peter built truck
Hmm when I see cars behind me in the in the digital mirror
I could see that it's a car
But in a with the regular glass I can see much more detail in the individual cars and I can go
Okay, go I can go that's a Volvo. That's a BMW 3-series. That's a dead
That's all the way back where they're just they're just dots in this
cops
You can't fucking see a cop car for shit in this digital rear-view mirror all the extra lights and all the detail and stuff
That you would use to pick out a Tahoe or explore as a cop car. You can't see nothing
Side view mirror no problem
Flip off the digital mirror and look through the dirty-ass Lexan no problem, right?
Because your eyes are just a resolution so much better than camera. Yeah, okay, which is why like
All this camera only AV shit. It drives me crazy
You just have to look at a fucking camera compared to your eye
Almost any camera better than piece of shit. So using on Teslas and and go the amount of detail that I can see about the world
Is just so much more so?
So this cat the digital camera bottom line is it's good for certain things. It's bad for other things. I
hadn't found something that it was particularly bad at
Until I got fucking rolled on by a police Tahoe
And I didn't know this motherfucker was a cop until he was eight feet behind me
I didn't get pulled over. I just got like a whoop whoop and kind of a shocker like cool car
But this motherfucker snuck up on me in a way that if I had a regular mirror
They never would now. Why didn't you just run the regular mirror after that? I did. Oh, oh, actually, I'll tell you why because
You see how my valentine one cables wrapped around the mirror. I couldn't get the mirror to the right angle and
Also have the cable wrap around it. That is a thing with the cables
Yeah, you should wrap it around like your rocket mount or something like that. Yeah, no, there's a yeah
I after that I was like fuck this and unwound it or actually you set the mirror before you wind the cable
You can't shove the cable up there it moves the mirror. Yeah, you couldn't shove it
Yeah, I just be showing a little it didn't fit. Yeah, so anyway, that's I always I mean
Sarah's cars this but other cars that I've driven one that have I like I like to improve field of view especially on mid-engine cars or
You know SUVs like especially the long three-row SUV looking through the regular mirror past two rows of seats
Yeah, I mean you get this tiny little window and
I but yeah, I'll switch to like the side mirror if I want we need to verify something
But just it made it got me thinking about camera only AI or cash at camera only AVs versus just like
How does nobody with the fucking brain go?
camera eyes and the camera despite a wild feel of you the the the amount of detail in the images like so much worse
Well, I think it depends on what they need to see because if if the a if the AV or whatever just needs to see
There's a car. It doesn't need to care. Is it a Nissan? Is it a BMW? Is it a police officer?
No, it means to see small things sure
It is like is there a ball that rolled out and then they know a kid's gonna follow or can they?
Identify the difference between a child up ahead in a fire
Like a fire hydrant at 200 feet like that's when it would definitely be important. Yeah, but like, you know anyway fucking I didn't I didn't
There are there are instances where the the digital mirror is better and the and the digital mirrors not new
It's been in the Corvette for five years, so it's it's not a new thing, but this is my probably longest
Experience with it like over, you know days and days and days
What else about the e-ray did I write? I?
Would say that
It's
Definitely not the Corvette for me, right? I'm a I'm a zero six CR one guy, obviously
I do sort of struggle to
Guess who it's for
It looks really good. The body colored stuff is really nice
It's not as practical as I'd want it to be like you actually I couldn't fit a roll-a-board bag in it
I had to I had to pack with duffels, which is okay, but I because of the front
power train I couldn't actually get a you know, and so
That's sort of a point against compared to some other all-wheel-drive cars
Although having a front and back trunk is definitely helpful
It's it's generally a very good car. It just is
It's it's surrounded on the lower end by a car of them unbelievable value
That it it feels almost exactly like most of the time and above it is a car
That's super fizzy all the time and it's only slightly more expensive and the the all-wheel-drive system
someone asked in the patron chat like if
If the front motors only kick in above 50% throttle then why would it help in like snow?
But I'm sure there's a snow there's a there's a there's a low friction. Yes stuff like that. Yeah, but that
We know that tires will help you more than almost anything now
If you had an e-ray in snow or you know ice or something on snow tires versus a regular
Z51 stingray on the same tires the e-ray would have an advantage for sure
But I hear what you're saying like the number of people they're gonna have that situation and would benefit from having all-wheel-drive
Instead of just driving a little bit more like you know
You can kind of pre-plan how you drive in the snow for your traction a little momentum here
Surely breaking and if you do that you'd be you know 99% as set as you would if you had an e-ray
So it's kind of a weird thing to spend the money on I haven't driven an e-ray in the snow
But the way I was told at the launch was if you put it in
snow mode
It makes it more all-wheel-drive, which makes sense
You know
But it doesn't need to be more all-wheel-drive the rest of the time like it's not like it
It's not like driving on a canyon road
Right when you are with within the limits of grip it doesn't need to be all-wheel-drive then no so it's not and what's funny is
We and every magazine before we even got into this job have tried so hard to inform
The American public that tires are more important than all-wheel-drive and that message still doesn't land
So it's actually it's GM going look we know they're not gonna buy snow tires most of them or all seasons
We have a question about this later in the chat
Someone someone's friend is driving their car in New England in the winter on ps2s or on pilot's work of tooth
So it's like that person doesn't even know you know
So that that kind of person might benefit slightly from all-wheel-drive even though it won't really affect their braking distance sure
I think the e-ray is a good car
I wonder what kind of customers it will end up in and I certainly appreciated that I got to go do
1,400 miles with it. I was I was scouting the road and track desert 600 which is April
There's a few spots left. It's gonna be unbelievable the roads are so good the drive from Zion to Sedona is so beautiful
The hotels are amazing the the the food is really good
We've got Las Vegas motor Speedway outfield which is the better road course to play on we're doing Valley of Fire Lake Mead
It's like it's like it's such an awesome trip and also I think I think it's gonna be an awesome trip for passengers
Because there's a lot to see it's not just like driving through the woods
There's like big big vistas and it's a lot of open sweepers
So the passengers aren't gonna get like nauseous from tight and technical roads
So
Experiences dot road and track calm if you want to come drive with me in April and do this route. It's fucking sick
I will not be doing it in the array. I'll be doing it in something else
But thank you to GM for letting me put 1400 miles on your car
That's that's a cool thing and the lucid gravity. I was supposed to drive it got bumped
I don't know why I they really wouldn't tell me it didn't seem nefarious, but
We'll get back to that car as soon as we can
Before we get to questions. Did you see that Chuck Walla is for sale?
What Chuck Walla Valley Raceway, which is one of the other
Race tracks in Southern, California an hour east of Palm Springs in the middle of the fucking desert
Is for sale? I think they want 26 million for it, which you know, I don't know if that's a lot or not
There's a lot there. I mean there's a beautiful racetrack. There's a big skid pad
There's a run away cabin a runway cabin. There's 40 cabins. There's a bunch of garages that have a condos
On them. I'll solar everywhere. It's a lot of solar and it's really
It's really a fabulous track. It's really really good, but
It's so far in the middle of nowhere that's really
It's I mean, it's a it's a funny point against because like willow springs isn't close
You know, it's 86 miles so much further than that. It's further than that
But it's also there's a big section getting there is middle of nowhere like willow springs is you know
Palm Palmdale, Lancaster like it's populated populated and then you're there. It's just far from Los Angeles
But Chuck walla is far from Los Angeles then you get to like indio
Then you turn left and then you go out into the middle of yeah, I mean it's 50 minutes east of indio. That's fucking
Far yeah, I'm gonna see what the miles I just I passed it the other day in the e-ray on the way home
I passed the exit for Chuck walla and it was three hours zero minutes to get home from there
That's that's that's twice as far as willow springs twice as far as willow springs
And it's two hours to get to button willow from LA. So it's like it's really far
Which is too bad because I love it as a racetrack. It is such a fun place to drive a car
It's a great place to do slides
200 miles from here. Yeah, it's really far
It's got such nice like little bits of elevation the bull turn is
If you drive that bull turn and then you go back and you do streets of willow bowl
Yeah, oh, that's what the streets one wants to be when it grows up
Yeah, I mean it has some speed and it looks like three lanes wide
It's a fan. It's just whoever designed that track
It's such a fantastic job like with the terrain that was available or they modified it a bit
It's also very flowy and it's easy on brakes. Yeah, there's only two big
haul downs and then you have long periods of
Sustained like third gear where you're cooling the brakes so they even on a very hot day which they get out there is it's not too bad
It's so great. If I had 26 million dollars, I'd fuck with it
Sure, I would need more and I'd buy and I just live out there for a while and you don't have it's got the runway
So you don't really have to live out there. I mean, it's 200 miles
Which is like an hour in a you know recreational plane. Yeah, right hour and 20 interfaust should buy this place
He fuck he's got a plane. He's had a drive. Yeah, I don't know if he has 26 million dollars. That's
Well, it's a great place. I have no idea if it's priced high or low
but it's a fantastic facility and
The the people that I worked with there means years ago
We used to rent a lot for filming TV shows the crew were the best of like they were so kind that kind
Welcoming let us do what we wanted. They just kind of trusted us. It was so good. Yeah, it's a great place. Good memories there
Yeah, son the sunset there is. Oh, yeah, and it's a great
It's a great place to shoot until sunset and at night if you look south
I think Osprey take off like the
Military aircraft and they've got these green tracers on them
So you just see these green circles spinning you what the fuck and then you realize what it is
And then the fucking moshies kick in and yeah, that's a good that'd be a good place to do some mushrooms actually
It would right the cabins out there. Yeah. Oh, it would yes stargazing. We'll campfire
Go walk the track at two o'clock in the morning. No, no, I'll tell you a story later
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Thoughts on the quote new Veyron. Yeah, do you see this some they're doing they're doing
They're doing a let's keep the billionaires happy over there at Bugatti
You got to keep the billionaires happy. Otherwise, they'll destroy society. Well, they have there's a turban on coming
Yes, he's unhappy. So is this to keep them happy until that's ready
No, so what one of the things that Bugatti is doing is full-on coach building there
They're building people one-of-one cars
So not this this is not correct. They built a new car. This is not the story. This is not the story
They built a new car a car one car on the Chiron's
architecture, but that looks like a Veyron
Like it took me a few
Looks at the photos to figure out like what I was looking at
Top
That's it FKP homage. That's it
So so look at this thing. So booga that so you look at that and you go, huh?
Well, that looks like a Veyron and it does look like a very long dish run, right? It's like halfway between
It looked to me at first when I looked at a small photo on my phone the back is the back
Is that was the first photo I saw yeah
That kind of looks like a Veyron but like very much so but then the front is like well those headlights are different
And then the interior you go. Well, that's a little that's not Sharon. That's not Sharon. It's more like Veyron
Yeah, it's awesome, and then you keep going so so they've built this one-off car that is a Sharon
But looks like a Veyron
So now you they have a photo of it next to an actual Veyron and you can see the differences
Yeah, it's lower. It looks a little longer
It's got the chrome strip that runs from the base of the a-pillar around the sort of big scoopy thing
It's a little bit longer than the headlights, of course, but I mean roof scoops are bigger. The wheels are bigger
If you park that next to a regular Veyron, that's made in you know the same color. They're gonna go
Oh, which one's the kit? Yeah, I think it's a fake, right? Yeah, exactly
Interiors dope with that fabric this diamondy fabric so like what so what is the point of this?
They just it's a go-back look there's a AP there's a AP open worked as a dash clock look at the top
I don't know if you take it off and wear it, but it's it's there
I don't like to take it off and wear it
I like when it stays in the car, but but it always looks huge because they have to have like a mechanism to hold it in the car
Yeah, right
Okay, so I mean dude after Fernan pick. Yes, so the second model to come from
Bugatti's new solid tear program one-off customer commissions built on existing engine and chassis architecture with coach built body work and highly
Customized interiors limited to two projects per year
So I mean look dude
Keep the billionaires happy. It's very important. Otherwise, they're gonna make the rest of our lives terrible
They're doing that anyway, man. Shit. It's not working. It's not working
So that's I mean, what do I think about it? It's not ugly. It's better
It's a better throwback than Lamborghini's Kuntas
Yes, or that anything Ferrari's doing right now very true
Yeah, and they vote the bodies on this pretty well
I mean other than the 1-10 thing they did that was real ugly. I mean like the original one
No, no, the new one they did the Chento
Deci, whatever the fuck it is the anniversary. It's it looks very weird. This is this is pretty pretty classy though
I'm kind of about it. Well, I think the Chiron is a fantastic looking car
And so they've they've blended two pretty subtle very aerodynamic designs together and they did a good job of it
Yeah, it's cool. I'm gonna do it. Sure. Yeah, okay, and they're gonna make like one. Yeah one
You know what they're doing that's offset the cost of
Vergera sales, I think
This is Bugatti. I know it doesn't Bugatti over remax. Oh, yeah, maybe yeah
I think they're selling all of them because they're the keys to the tour beyond that's that's what you had you had to buy a
Yeah, that's a weird you have to be a Bugatti or
Rematch that's the order to get a tour. It's so funny that even at whatever level it's the Porsche Macan thing
It's the Ferrari what California allocations are heroin
Okay, let's see I
I
Don't know what that is
Front-wheel drive NSX was the geo brand as bad as everyone made it seem I
Mean it geo was were were Korean cars
Sold in America under GM, right? It was that was basically what they were what they were doing
and
Yeah
Some of them were not bad, I think that I think the geo storm
Was sort of decent the tracker was a sidekick or samurai side sidekick
I mean they were they were very cheap cars that I think they they captured the essence of what they were trying to be
Really well, and they sold it for cheap like the tracker was this tiny
Off-roading thing that weren't that bad at it
But it was like right when SUV craze happened and these new convertible version
I saw all of these cars like in droves, and I think that in the commercials were everywhere. Yeah Super Bowl like they had money
I think they weren't great cars, but yes in the 90s these geo was a player
I think they they were a lot of them. Yeah, it's wild to think back on
Yeah, but all their I mean pretty much all their cars were like, you know badge engineered other cars
Right and sheep. Yeah, and cars that like cars that sold as Chevy's in other markets that we never saw
They didn't want to like tarnish the Chevy brand, so they sold them as Geo's here. I mean, you know, what what could you even compare it to?
Today, I mean this was like a sad. I mean it was like a Saturn
Yeah, Ion scion or if you took an accent and like made an if you made an accent into an off-roader
And they made an accent into like a convertible. Yeah, I mean that's the kind of
Costs or the price they were at say did I say Korea? I don't I don't know if they were Korea
But they're foreign market GM vehicles that they didn't want to sell as Chevy's in
America like a bunch were like issues. Oh, yeah, the Geo storm was made by
Azusa's plant in Japan. Yeah
I
Tracker is obviously a Suzuki sidekick
The Geo prism was sold as the Chevy prism in other
Companies the Metro also was a fucking Chevy Metro
So it might have been Europe or Asia, but there was like terrible fucking Chevy's
What else we got?
Oh
I
Dude, I don't know. I don't know about this
Okay, Chris from Colorado watch the Peacody video on YouTube. Yeah, go watch that. It was a good video
We had we had a lot of fun making that and it's very well made Aaron Aaron did a fucking awesome job in the boys
With the ZR1 winning winning what are three things you think Chevy could improve for the next gen ZR1
Three things that they could improve for the next gen ZR1
It could sound better
There's the ZR1 doesn't be you know, it doesn't sound all that
Amazing compared to the Z06
I'd like a little more sound
The current ZR1 had the old wall of buttons
Because it was a 2025 not a 2026 so the next one they will improve the regular to the to the current
Interior instead of the wall buttons. That's good and they could get rid of the square steering wheel
If they did all those three things you'd have a fucking no-notes car for me. That would be ace
Oh, but your part two does the 9,000 rpm red line of the GT3
Feel more raw than the 10,000 red line of the Temerario
Hmm. I mean yes because it's a stick and because it's naturally aspirated, you know
I also think you know the more cylinders they have plus the higher revs the pistons and things usually get really small
Or the stroke gets really small. It's like the sound gets smaller tighter closer to you're approaching zinger
You know that the zinger had this like it was so smooth that you couldn't even hear the exhaust pulses at all
Whereas the 9-11 it's a pretty it's a pretty big engine in terms of displacement with only six cylinders
And I think it just it does sound more raw to me. Yeah, it's angrier. Yeah
Boltoco soup
How would you choose the appropriate tire? I have a 2021 BMW M2. I live in LA
I only use it for driving canyons. I do
2,000 miles a year should I go with something really sticky like a
Potenza RZ or a cup 2 over the standard PS4s
I've been told that the sticky tires will pick up stones from the road and cause paint chips
True true also will cause paint chips on whoever's cars following you true
also
Also
You will not see much of a real difference in the canyons frankly. Yep
Your difference will be marginal your tires will wear faster if you get caught in the rain
You won't have a very good time. It's louder. They're louder on the road
the sidewalls
You know on my my bridge don't race tires the sidewalls are really hard and we've talked to we talked to see dying about this and other people too like
The more aggressive the tire the harder the sidewall they want to take flex out of them for the most part
So your ride around town when you hit hard edges will also be worse
Yeah, I feel like this is nothing but negatives. You should keep the ps4s
They'll operate better in most of the situations you will ever be in. Yeah
Oh Murray long last name
What ammo product should I use to clean and condition leather and is it sold to WCZS?
I can't I'm sorry. I can't remember the name Larry has these whimsical ass names for his stuff
We sell the full line of Lamo. I think it's called cream actually. I think it's CRE me
Every ammo product is sold at WCCS both our locations and my detailing staff knows exactly what everything is and what it is for
I'm sorry. I think it's called cream, but
But whatever it is we sell it here
Yamaha Bibi, that's funny
If you live near tail of the dragon and wanted a pure fun car
What would be ideal for that area for under a hundred K? I
Would say a regeared Boxster GTS regearing is the answer for that area. It's not a high-speed area low speed area
Yeah, yeah, so you'd want something light something small and something with relatively short gears
And so for me a Boxster GTS with short gears would just be about as perfect as it gets or a spider
Yeah, both you with short gears. Yeah, my end my car with my engine is too much power
But my car my chassis with my gears would be perfect
Yeah, I think a regeared anything with NA to like I was thinking regeared M2
But I just feel like the power band of that car. It's just it's almost too much power for those roads for the most part
so I would go like a really nice e90 or
I don't care if that's too much too. Yeah
Grand like a C7 Grand Sport, but it's that just seems like too much for those right now
I wouldn't want a front engine long-nosed car in that road. I want I'd want mid-engine
I'd want I mean
Fucking I think Boxster came in
The Vora
Yeah, I mean Amira you're getting a mirror
They're 80 yeah, I mean, maybe it may be a lease or an exige
Something something small like that. Yeah
Ripping Dodge darts, I'm looking to buy a new Mustang this year. I spec'd one out online. It came to
$67,000 when a quote stock dark horse cost $64,000
Editorial here. I drove a dark horse two weeks ago for a story. It was
$84,000 MSRP or
SRP it had now it had
I'm sorry. They was at base or options. It had a good paint color
It had and it had
Recaro seats with the contrast leather, which is really the only options. Yeah, base is 63. Yeah
So the question is would you rather get a loaded up GT premium performance pack?
Etc. Or a base dark horse. I want a manual transmission. So the Tremac difference does come into play
I want a weekend car for North Carolina not to track. Oh
Then I'd get the GT premium performance
I would I probably would get that as the base Mustang seats suck. You do not want a dark
Yeah, because now you have a sticky car even even on canyon corners in North Carolina
They're not comfortable. They don't support you. They're terrible
Can you hang on? There's an in-between you can get a dark horse with Recaro seats
Yeah, sure. Yeah, but I don't know if they can afford that option. Well, so the specs was 67k
The the Recaro seats on a dark horse are like 2,500 bucks. So if you get a dark horse
You know with Recaros, you're in the same place
Might retain its value. I mean, well then, yeah
I I would rather have a dark horse with the Tremac gearbox
The the different engine the better suspension everything with Recaros
Not in a good color and not with a tech pack. Yeah, I agree. So it depends on how much how important the electronics and
Color and all that stuff are to you. So it's like it's driving versus I guess all the options
Okay, uh
Andy's woody said Camisa recently said on his podcast
Camisa loves it when we talk about him on this show, by the way, it's his favorite thing
Said that has said that wagons are douche-proof. Nothing is douche-proof
The sighting that they're more rare costs more and are exclusively an enthusiast purchase now
Uh, to me flexing a wagon for just the sake. It's weird or rare is a douche mood move
It's comparable to counterculture hipsters with some obscure music tastes that normal people just wouldn't understand
I don't think it goes that far
I don't
I mean
I don't think anything is douche-proof. I think it's because it depends on the attitude
I mean it's hard like to find douche the attitude of the person driving it and then like
I think the douche bag movement is like if something gets popular
And then a lot of people who don't aren't really into the thing grab onto it
So but that can happen anything. So if a bunch of people has decided
That wagons were the new gt3 rs
You would get a bunch of people buying wagons and driving them and just because they wanted to buy the cool thing
And a lot of them could be douche bags
So it just it just depends on like the social pressure
And definition of what is cool. So right now, I mean, yeah, most people don't like wagons
they still see them as like a sort of domestic vehicle and uh, it's a an island in
Enthusiast land that you can go to but I but also one person could be the only person that owns a car
And if they're an asshole in a douche bag, then they're still a douche a douche car
You only need if you say something is the titanic is unsinkable
You only got to hit one iceberg to disprove that so if you want to say something is proof
One example will disprove that and I guarantee you you can find one
Um
In my experience
That the people most of the people that I know who buy fast wagons don't actually need the wagon
They're just they just like how it looks
um
In I own a sport wagon my wife insisted on it and she was right because actually
We throw shit in the trunk of it that we wouldn't be able to to put in a sedan
So like we we use our wagon for wagon things. I think the taekwon wagon also looks way better than the ring. Yeah, it does
But yeah
Dray from houston. What were the market positions of brands from the 80s and 90s like mercure
and
sterling alfa rameo and pujo
Well alfa rameo has been the same. It's always been an italian sports sedans
Marginally reliable, you know, it's in the auto that'll get you blown. That's that's their marketing
People have repeatedly told alfa rameo that they would in fact be able to sell cars in america
Several times now. It's not been largely true. It's the same crowd that says they'll buy a wagon, right?
um
pujo same thing in the 80s
French cars were about were they tried to make french cars happen reno and pujo both try to make french
I think the I think pujo in the 80s probably would have been about the equivalent of outy
Pujo and outy made cars that like
looked kind of the same. Yeah, outy had all-wheel drive
But other than that, they were kind of the same genre of car
um
I don't think they were quite bmw or mercedes in the 80s and 90s bmw and mercedes
Were were it when it came to a high-end sports sedan?
Like that was that was it
Until you were until you were talking about rolls Royce, right?
You had rolls Royce at the very top below them. It was all about mercedes and bmw
and then below that you had a sort of
The sporty european sedans that were alternatives to those so you had sob
you had
pujo
You had alfa
But also you had volvo
You know volvo was sort of trying to try to be in play in that in that world as well a little bit
And then you had the the japanese upstarts
Acura came in hot in the 80s and 90s
I mean and honda started seeing huge success in the 70s
It was like oh the cars are reliable and super frugal on gas during the gas crisis oil crisis
I think that probably took a lot of market share that pujo was hoping for
Yeah, mercure was it was ford essentially doing
Figure going how can we sell our european product in america?
Which was the fact that they thought that we couldn't just sell them as fords was so strange
Well, it was the g it's going back to geo. Yeah, it's the same thing. They're like we make these over here
But we don't want to tar they think tarnish their brand
It won't fit in the dealership. So you got to call it something else. Yeah
Instead of launching the ford sierra, they made all these dealerships carry a do a mercur franchise
Selling ford sierra's
It was crazy. It's I mean, but it worked for it worked for genesis
But a lot of tried and failed. Yeah
Harlequin e 63 mg help choose a valley of fire run car for an upcoming vegas trip
Audi rs3 or lucid air
at a reasonable price well look
Or or an amira v6 at an outrageous price
Uh, or wait until enterprise opens. Oh, this is a rental car. Okay, toro options toro
They can get the car early before sunrise enterprise. They have to wait till it opens at eight
They missed that, you know sunrise through valley of fire. Uh
Okay, I mean I would say get an rs3 for 125 dollars. That seems like a good one
Um, I would not spend five times that to drive in a mirror. Wow
Uh, I I think that would probably work the the thing about the lucid is
um
If they have a big battery they go with a long range, but you're driving out to the middle of the fucking desert
If you decide to have a very heavy foot
And rip through the battery much faster than you think you're going to you may find yourself in a bit of a pickle
Just saying rental cars and evs
Don't necessarily go hand in hand so well because you're because when you're on vacation your time
Is worth a lot of money, right?
You know
Like part of me was disappointed that I couldn't do the gravity on this trip because I really wanted to drive the gravity
It would have been very comfortable. I wanted to check out the different
Networks mother two hotels both both hotels were like mr. Fair. We've saved you a charger and I was like that is awesome
I'm sorry. I don't need it
um
But at the same time I was able to complete the trip
A half a day faster
Like I was able to save like cumulatively like an hour to an hour and a half like a day
Yeah, by not by a being able to drive faster and be not having to deal with the actual charging
um
So like yeah, I would just I just fuck with the rs3 and go rip lake mead valley of fire great drive
Okay, um
Let's see
Uh quadrufold the o-face your takes on sleek aero rooftop boxes
They look cool when color-coded, but can you really get any use out of them except for skis?
My rap guy wants me to put one on my tycon
Do you need yeah quadrillion quadrufold the o-face do you need a box?
Like forget what the rap guy says
I think the aesthetics work when they're needed like jeff's wort has this car that comes here a lot
It's got a box on it because he puts shit in it and aesthetically it works with long roof cars, right?
But to do it just for style
It's kind of like i'm not trying to throw you under the bus like the whole tully rack
On cars when you don't put things on the roof like I did that. I know you did. Yeah
You did in high school because it was like because it was his fucking style it became a style but like
Putting it on there because the rap guy thinks it would just look cool on your tycon ct
Which it sure it would but do you need one? That's the only question
It's probably gonna reduce your range by like five to ten percent first off a lot. There's a lot
That's a ton and that's like an aero box
um
And I mean could you get use out of them like yeah, they fit other shit besides skis
But like is your car full to the point where you need more like
It's pretty lame to drive around with anything strapped to your roof
That you're not immediately using or using frequently. Yeah, if every if every weekend
I don't know you you go if you go mountain biking every weekend leave the rack on your roof
That's fine a hundred percent, but we have a friend
I'm not going to blow up a spot
Who don't camp all that much and drives around with a fucking rooftop done
I know a couple of people that do that. Yeah, holy shit
One person does it I once I showed him the numbers on the mpg. He took it off
Yeah, but for a while he used it once a year and I said why is it on there all the time?
Because he was complaining about the fuel
The mileage he was getting out to shoot sure and he's like well, I just you know
It was part of his identity. He's an outdoorsy dude. Yeah, but
I don't I don't know what the box will do for you
It doesn't it doesn't even do that
There are there have been plenty of studies on your aerodynamic drag on the box and one one very interesting one
Where a guy I think it was with a model 3 mounted the box backwards love it and got better results
Oh, that's right because the boxes are pointy at the front and then but actually flipping it around
Because they didn't make it like a long roof sort of thing. Yeah, but to go back like
Is this going to give this person even at the shallowest end of the pool? Is it giving them any like identity cred?
You know
Roof top 10 you go. I'm an outdoorsy person. You got your gas tanks on there. You go. I'm a four wheel person
This is like I'm a carry more stuff person
It's one of a million things that looks cool for one instagram post
And then you have to live with it forever and it's dumb
But that's a the ct's a great looking car without it. It doesn't need it doesn't add it admittedly
It probably would look cool with a color matched one sure if you were using it
I still don't think it was John Olson
Right, you know got it, you know, but I would say skip it if you don't need it
um
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Blues. Oh ha bb. Ha bbk. That's good bbk blues. Okay. Wow. Okay. There we go
Uh, not counting big suvs and pickup trucks. Can you recall any cars good for eating in wall parked?
ah
Dude, uh anything with a bench seat? Sure, then you can put food next to you. Sure, and you know tip over into your cup holder
I
Don't want to sound like a fucking
Holier than now, but I don't like eating in cars at all
I do when I have to I try to avoid it
Even if I stop on a road trip at a fucking in and out or something
I'll put that tray on the roof. I'll stand because I'm in the I'm in I don't want to yeah
You know, I'm also using that as an excuse to stand up and not be in the car
That's that and like the grease of touching the car in your hand like to me eating in the car is like a pretty gross thing
I don't do I think I used to be more inclined to like to keep the road trip going
But now with back things like it's better to get out now
It's more important to have an excuse to not be in the car
I think there's a lot of new cars now that are really great for eating in because the the dash are so deep
Yeah, so most of them have a broken shelf on the desk really you could doesn't the ford like shifter the ford f
150 shifter like goes out of the way and then you can make the whole center console into a table
Clever it's like the work area. Yeah. Yeah, I mean we've we've said it a bunch of times
But back in the day when we were working at Gotham dream cars the 2013
GM
single cab 3500 duly
Two seats eight cupholders now. That's how you have a fucking big gulp in a big old fucking large fries and yeah
Let's say ll. Cartier cartier ll. Cartier
I'm a carting driver coach with a lot of international
Racing experience meaning carting but very little car experience
If I wanted to do a race in lemons or chump car
How do I find a good team and how much moulin should I expect it to be? How do I find a good team?
That's a question that I don't have the answer to
Uh
If I think if races happen near you
Can you just go into one is fine real quick arrive and drive
lemons racing
So that this is the search term I would start with
May the 24 hours of lemons may have like teams on there. Oh here look
Lemon go back on this facebook group lemons team builder arrive and drive matchmaker. There you go
So I would start with the search terms arrive and drive
And then
Uh, you know, what other whatever series. Oh, wow, this is a very this is a
The group is current there's posts from a day ago
Yeah, this is a facebook group for people who have teams and are looking for drivers or who are drivers and looking for teams
Fantastic. So there we go. Okay stupid lemons team builder arrive and drive matchmaker facebook
I would say you should expect to spend
Two to five grand for a seat in a weekend and a weekend is going to probably be
Two to two to three or two to four stints
Plus a plus a practice day if the race goes well
Right, you think that's about right. I think I think closer to two. Yeah
For lemons, it might be closer to two for a competitive car in champ. It might be closer to four or five
Yes, correct, you know, I think to run in wrl might be a little more run in wrl might be
Seven or eight thousand
But if a team is well managed you write that one check and you don't have to write any other checks
That's it
Yeah, and I would also be selective as best you like I would go with a team that
Is very experienced doing this because they've probably worked the kinks out of the car and they work well
A car that might be more reliable and is less of a science project, you know Japanese car great
People have been having a lot of success with e36's just
I wouldn't jump into something where people took like a v8 from this thing and put it in that thing and yeah
It's rad, but how much maintenance does it require? You know because that will dictate whether your weekend is learning to wrench
and
Become friends with these people you're hoping to drive with or are you guys going to drive?
I you also I mean this was a this was a five minute
Googling, but I think you may be able to start on the
Website oh look here's a here's a fucking here's teams if you just keep scrolling down
They're on this page. There's teams looking for drivers. Yeah, so
um
Yeah, okay, cool. Yeah, this is dumps. Yeah, look this is three days
There's plenty of plenty of plenty of driving 1600 for a race with dumpster fire motorsports. Yeah, there you go
It's trash can not trash can't love it. That's why I love lemons so much, dude
The cleverness about yeah, yeah, so that's a that's a good place to start
They're providing comms breakfast burritos fuck all consumables and a test day
Fuck yeah a lot of seat time with four drivers. I mean that's a lot of seat time
Yeah, if the car works you're getting a lot of driving. Yeah, that's rad. That's a good time great
Resource yeah, and if that doesn't work
I would go to the lemons website and the and the champ car web if I ran a if I ran a
An operation where I was selling arrive-and-drive seats. I'd want to be on their website as a place to get arrive-and-drive seats
Okay, sweden low
Favorite white faced tool watch for roughly 10 g's
What's a tool watch?
A tool watch is a watch you wear if you're a fucking tool. No, um, it's a if you drive a wagon a watch a tool watch is a
medium fancy but
Sturdy
Steel sports watch it should have some water resistance
Some shock resistance. It should be able to be worn outdoors knocking around
But you could probably dress it up
Just below the soup level
um
The the the gold standard of tool watches is a Submariner although that's moved up markets since like the 80s
Now tool watches are like Tudor
IWC
Seiko
Um your divers stuff like that. I would say that the notice canyon could be a tool watch. It's tough
um
So 10 g's white faced speedy used Rolex Milgauss or get on the list for an Explorer 2
Those are your big ins right there. Um
for 10 g's
Those are the ones you I would say of those three if you can only get one
Explorer 2 if you've got a big wrist
Milgauss if you've got a small wrist speed master if you're a science dork
And I say that as someone who owns two of three of those watches including the speed master
I just sent my speed master to the dial artist fucking it's on maybe to do what to turn my my
I told didn't I show you what I was doing with the dial?
Wait with the white dough. Yeah the one you just bought. Yeah. Oh, I didn't realize you're gonna want to fucking up
Oh, this is gonna be great, dude. The audience don't get to see this, but I'm gonna show it to Zach
We're gonna have Zach's gonna get gonna get the fucking sneaky peeky. Look how dope this is
Oh, that's cool. Isn't that fun?
Oh, I see you see what it is now. Yeah. Wow. That's isn't that awesome. Well, they can paint that. Yeah
Isn't that fun?
This is a this is a rendering the the some of the colors are different some of the little things are different, but
That's gonna be fucking sick. That's cool. I don't want to blow up what it is. Don't blow it up
I'll I'm gonna show it show when it's done, but it's fucking really cool
He sent me a render of one before that he didn't know I bought the white one it print those little graphics
No, that's hand-painted. It's micro artistry. It's hand-painted. That's wild. Yeah
This these are done on a computer. This is not right, but like the final one. Yeah. Yeah, it's hand-painted. Yeah
Isn't that awesome
So excited about this
Let's see
Kurt may how did I like doing dinner with racers? I like doing dinner with racers. It was fun
Uh, it was easy. They they asked me a bunch of questions that I had very easy answers or
Doing talking about me is so easy
Someone else's show that's great, but I love Sean and I love Ryan and those shows awesome. Those guys are great
Um, and uh, I think the the way that they do like record like ten of them
And then make it a secret is like kind of fun. You can yeah, I think it was a fun show
We drank a little bit go go listen to my dinner with racers podcast. It was fun
Um
Mark for oh, no
Is that really true this one from mark for art? Yeah, I got a dm. Is that one of the guys at automation
Oh, well, I don't know if there's a lawsuit going for it, but they dm me and they're like hey check this out
And there's a screen grab of a message from
That that said what?
Uh, I don't know. It's really my phone anymore. Um, okay. The question is did you see that mark for
The tired smoker says jim glickenhouse. Oh, it says nearly I missed the word nearly jim glickenhouse nearly decided
Or assume maybe maybe that means threatened to sue
Just threatened to sue camshaft software
Makers, uh, well, we know these guys makers of automation
This is a company that 10 years ago brought us to new zealand, right?
Because some guy built a car in the game that looked vaguely
Glickenhouse-esque. Did it did it did it look yeah vaguely, but like
I feel like with those kind of and I'm speculating I'm not a lawyer not but
Video games always get like close to a design that you kind of remember but they change little details and you go
That's definitely not that thing and they're rendering that they that they dm me. I was like, it's definitely not his scg
Whatever, yeah, like there's elements of it that are
Probably inspired by but there's a lot of it that looks different and
I mean, I don't know. That seems my snider mark was has jim delivered any of those cars to his customers
That's so that is fair. That is extremely fair. I and I do not know the
Let me see if they uh, I think the insert is the instagram automation game or can camshaft software
Yeah, automation game
Do they take down the instagram post is still there? We'll take a little peeky peek
Is this
Oh, that does look kind of like it. No, I mean not really that's a different one
That's not the one they sent me the one they sent had like a center. Oh like
That's not it. That looks like a somewhere between a conic zig and a
Yeah, the old conic zig and something else. Anyway, anyway, I didn't I didn't know that until right now, but I hope that that
I I this isn't anything I hope he realizes how lame that is like that's just a fucking that's just a loser move
Yes, like it is. I hate when fucking rich people do loser moves like that
Like why what are you doing? Stop it. It's just a waste of their time. Stop it
um
Let's see
Oops, all right now go down uh, keep going keep going keep going. Sorry
Did we talk about I don't know we'll do it again
Left is best
Why do you think so many grown men deep into their 40s continue to build race cars for the road?
Ruin any comfort and functionality sell them and then repeat
We definitely if left didn't ask this question a month ago and forget about it, which I would do
Uh, then someone else did but that's parallel thinking and that happens
um
I think it's I think it's like any
Vehicles are interesting because I think a lot of us build something for what we aspire to do
It's lifted Wrangler that doesn't go off-roading like it can express a part of yourself or your personality
You want to be a race car driver? You like these things people do it with any
Sort of mechanical hobby all the time and I just think it's an example of that and like so many of those mechanical hobbies
What's funny is a lot of times it makes the vehicle worse for the environment they actually drive in
um
And there's a there's always a period where like you're excited about this and you might go do the thing and then you
Don't go to the track, but you drive the thing around
And then you eventually get tired of the ride and you sell the car
And then maybe they do it again because they once again have the same dream
Yeah, I mean everyone has this fantasy of race car for the road and it takes a mature consumer
To go actually
Actually
I don't want that
Actually my my inner id wants a race car from the road
But in reality
I don't drive like that in reality that rides like shit in reality. I have to give up this other thing that's annoying to have that
Um, but because cars are such an emotional purchase
We we it takes a lot of emotional maturity
To go actually that that seems like fun, but I think I'm really there's also like a when when like if you read an article
That says that you know gg3rs the trackiest version of something really improves turn in
Your brain zooms in on turn and you're like my turn could get better
And it will be great in these moments where and you just you focus so much on improving that part of your car
That you don't stop
Zoom out and think how often is that type of driving important where it does it show up in my weekly life
You know two percent. Oh, maybe I don't need to improve my turn in sure
I mean it goes the same way with suvs. How often do I need the third row? How often do I need?
Four-wheel drive, you know, how often do I need whatever? How often do I need this pickup truck bed? And it's like
Single digit percentages, you know or less, you know, I mean even
Anyway
Can't unshitbox this says
okay
What would be my best option to do a demand 4.5 engine?
Should I get a 2016 cayman gt4? That's a 3.8
A 718 cayman gts. That's a 4.0
Or spend 20 to 25 k more for a 718 gt4
What is the best and why does the premium for the gt4 badge matter in terms of money and money out?
Mostly street driving second fun car some track days
Some track days to me says the gt4 will be worth it because on the track
The wing the front end the we the stuff that they do does come into play
for sure
So and in the in the canyons, it does too
It's like in road trips where you'd rather have the gts and if it's a boxer
Because a boxer gts has a power top
And so if it's really a street car a boxer gts might actually be the move because it's a super hot rod
But with comfy seats and a power top
That's kind of the move, but if it's just for canyons and weekends and track and you're going to do a hard top
Then it's going to be a gt4. So it's going to be a 16 or a or a or a 718
The differences are a 718 with a demand engine will make about 40 horsepower more than a
981 with a demand engine the 3.8 engine
Versus the 4.0 engine as starting points the 4.0 gets you further
That's the upside more power more torque 30 to 40 more horsepower and torque for a 718
So and that's power you can't get from anywhere else. So you you have to
Spend that and and because of money in money out
I think
If you consider the cost of Porsche horsepower
And factor in money in money out spending 20k to get a 718 gt4 is probably worth it asterisk
A 981 gt4 has a single muffler a 718 has two they make completely different sounds
The seven the 718 sounds like my car like world war two aircraft
The the 981 car sounds more like a gt3 that high pitched that you get from the collective muffler
So how do you want it to sound and is it worth a little more horsepower to have this sound if you really wanted that sound?
So in my opinion because you're you're already going you're going in in for a penny in for a pound
You're about to buy a $50,000 engine. You're probably going to get gears too
If you've got the money
Just get the get the best car you can which is going to be the 718 gt4
Especially because you're going on the track
Be a fucking nasty motherfucker in a track car though
Uh two more and then we'll fucking call this a show uh explorer. I hardly knew her
Uh did ford make a mistake by pushing the f 150 lightning as a consumer vehicle
Instead of what I think it is which is a municipality government fleet vehicle
They could act as dual-purpose rolling battery backup for storage for emergency response scenarios
Or maintaining functionality for small corporate or government infrastructure
I don't okay a couple questions here
I do think these electric pickup trucks make good fleet vehicles and you see them in california being fleet vehicles ea has the electric um
Silverados tesla. I was it. I was just in uh
It's fucking I went somewhere on my road trip and I saw a tesla supercharger
And the service vehicle working on it was a fucking chevy silvarado ev
All right, so evie work trucks do make decent work trucks if they're not towing right and if they're driving the same route predictably now
Rolling battery backup storage
Is a good use of these trucks in a
camping
Average work day with power tools sort of situation
And potentially with vehicle to grid if you as a backup generator for your home if you have the appropriate hardware
I don't know if that will work in commercial situations as well as
As well as a fucking giant ingersaw rand
Diesel generator that could just run forever because the truck can't run forever if you're talking about
Emergency scenarios and stuff like that. You might get a day or two out of the truck
But you know, yeah, you you you might get days weeks out of that diesel generator
And then you have to charge the truck and if the grid is down like they're saying, you know
Yeah, governmental infrastructure like you bring in a diesel truck from wherever fill it up and you keep going for a long long time
Yeah
Honey we need a new roof that's good
Does the 911 range need to split
With the new hybrid cabriolet models being over 4 000 pounds
It seems like they need a gt line and a sport line
It seems like there's a pretty hard line between
The the turbo customers who want to go fast and the gt3 customers who want engagement
A split would allow them to downsize the gt3 and maybe have a larger line of na
high revving models
I disagree with this assessment of the market
um, I don't think
Splitting the 911 is
I don't I don't think that works at all. I don't I don't I don't see how that
Why would you do that?
Um
There's a pretty hard line between the turbo customers who want to go fast and the gt3 customers want engagement
I also disagree with that assessment
I have three clients here at w ccs who have 991 or excuse me 992 turbo s's all of them own gt cars also
Wow, so I disagree with that assessment. I think that an an individual who is looking at a turbo s
Wants engagement. I think they do want engagement and that is an engaging car despite its weight. It's
Possibly the most engaging car in its class despite its weight
um, the turbo s hybrid
Um, I don't I I don't know if we ever said it wasn't engaging. It feels heavy
Um, but it's so fun. I mean the steering is still reactive. The steering feel is pretty good. The suspension is
Pretty taut. Yeah. So yeah, and it'll say and it said a split would allow them to downsize the gt3
That represents to me a misunderstanding of why the 9 11 is shaped like it is
Part of the reason it's shaped like it is is to move the engine further forward in the car
That's part of the reason it keeps getting bigger
Which benefits mostly the gt3 benefits the racing team's the racing team. Yeah
Yeah, so so the car getting bigger
And the engine moving forward in the car versus older 9 11's is is that comes right from racing? Well, not to mention the
Cost of making one unibody to and both on all these different parts and all these different models
That saves them a lot of money if they downsize just versus what i'm meaning 9 11 a slightly smaller one that it was only the g
That would actually make the gt3 much more expensive. Yeah, like prohibitively so
So that wouldn't be they wouldn't do that for the business case
Yeah, and the the reason they don't have a larger line of any high revving models is emissions
That they and there's even a story. Yeah, there was a story up
Uh yesterday or the day before that they think the next gt3 and gt3 rs are going to be turbo
Wow, they might have I mean they might have to that that the the engine that they're fucking with
In that car is at the end of a 16 year
Life cycle right well, and I mean the the e regulations which we probably talk about really quick very like lightly, but
That dictates a lot of the sound
gearing and power and engine
Displacement and configuration
Of the cars that come from europe, you know
So when the when the porches show up the 9 11's the gt3's and they're kind of quiet or we go this car's too quiet
It's because there's just big filter on the back of the muffler or like in the exhaust system
So we wouldn't have that here
If right because our epa wouldn't give a shit, but the car coming from there
It has to match those rig or meet those regulations and Porsche is fighting the good fight
You know trying to keep the stick trying to keep at it, but pretty soon. They're gonna have to choose
Well, we're gonna keep this na engine
But it's gonna have to be paired with a hive a plug-in hybrid right because it's gonna have to be zero emissions sometime
Or we go turbo and we don't have hybrid like that. They're gonna have to make that choice. Yep
Um
I'm sure that will bring down the values of you know, the na gt3 cars. Yeah, that's I mean
You know, we we we hadn't talked about it before we could we could talk about it a little now
You're gonna see in the videos of our giveaway car because we're doing a giveaway of a 992 dot 1
Turbo s that's a brand new car
But it's not a hybrid and we first started driving it to create content for the giveaway right after I had
Driven the hybrid turbo s and so my takeaway from going back for going back to the old car was
Really two-fold one the hybrid 400 volt shock controllers on the new car are
Magic the the ride is crazy good with that new suspension and the old car doesn't ride as well
But be the old car feels crazy light compared to the old car. You can feel it in two seconds
I'm sorry the old car feels much lighter than the new car and you can feel it from behind the wheel totally
So long term there will probably be more desirability for the 992 dot 1
Because of that lighter thing and because of lower potential maintenance concerns because it has less shit in it
But for now the new one that ride. Oh boy, that isn't fucking delight to get one of them when they come stateside
Yeah, maybe I could take one of those for the fucking
Desert event
That would be sick
Oh, I gotta see if there'll be one here by april that'll be the jam wouldn't it?
I don't know if they'll let me do that many miles, but they might they might they might
Um, that's our show. Thank you everybody. We appreciate y'all especially your patrons the patrons keep the ship afloat around here
Thank you for all of your good questions today one more shout out to the commuters in minneapolis doing the fucking good work over there
We love you keep it up and we'll see you guys on thursday. Bye
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Matt Farah and Zach Klapman dive into a variety of automotive topics, including the sale of a local racetrack, the Bugatti Veyron 2.0, and their experiences with the Corvette E-Ray. They discuss the challenges of driving in snowy conditions, the quirks of rental cars, and the unique features of the E-Ray. The episode also features a lively debate about electric vehicles, the future of the automotive industry, and listener questions covering everything from car choices to the significance of tool watches. It's a blend of humor, insight, and automotive passion.
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Matt Farah has conclusions on the Corvette E-Ray; another amazing racetrack is for sale; Bugatti has reimagined...itself; how to choose the right tire; and we answer Patreon questions including:
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