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No, but what I'm saying is I have no horse in this race.
Oh, they're my eggs.
Harold.
Ian.
Harold.
So guys, what's your favorite breakfast meat?
Hello and welcome back to the 48th Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast with myself,
Edwin William to my left or your right and Ben Hamin behind the camera.
Why don't you actually interrupt me?
That's kind of crazy.
I'm so excited for the podcast.
Nice.
At the beginning of every cream podcast, we ask the question,
do cars rule or ruin everything around us?
William, what is it today?
I'm going to say rule.
Okay.
But there is a little hint of ruin in there.
A looming ruin.
Because a car has left Casa de Chandler.
And it's my Cleo.
It's gone.
I'm actually very, very sad about it.
I do not get sad when I get rid of a car because normally I've come to that decision of,
right, it's time to go get something else.
I am still looking for something else.
But the Cleo, I decided of months of looking at it on the driveway and not using it,
which is the main decision that I made really, it had to go.
And this is the perfect place to sell a car.
Yeah.
Under like five grand.
You will sell a car.
You come to this unit.
You go to Auto Alex, anyone here, you will sell that car in 24 hours.
Someone will buy the car.
You might need to badger that person and keep on at them.
But I said to Taylor, I was like, would you do my Cleo?
And he went, yeah.
Shall I, shall I let everyone in on the little secret?
Oh God.
You know what?
People aren't going to feel bad for us after this.
Will said to me, you know what?
I'll get rid of it for like two and a half grand, which would be very,
very cheap to just get it moved on.
And I said, I'm pregnant.
You can get a bit more like I'll buy a few for two and a half grand.
And the Taylor walked in.
I went, Taylor, surely you want Will's car for three and a half grand.
We talked for a while and then what he paid you three grand for it.
Yeah.
He texted me that night and cause I sent him all the details and he went,
William, that Cleo, will you sell it?
And he offered me three grand and I said, yeah, do you know what?
Why not?
And he collected it two or three days later.
And I was actually, I had that thing where you,
when you sell a car and I went through loads of the details,
he knew about the car, but I went through everything.
And I was, as I was going through the details, I thought, God,
I spent so much time on this car.
Why am I selling it?
I spent well over 10,000 pounds on that car.
I've sold it for three.
It's a tough one.
It's investment advice is not what you're here for.
No.
TDC is not the place to come for that.
But other than that, it's...
Well, actually, I don't actually know why it's a rule.
I don't have my McGann back yet.
My Cleo is gone.
Well, we have bought something quite cool, which is also quite ruining.
Well, not yet, but it could be.
It could be.
It really could be.
It really could be.
Do you want to tell me about it?
We bought V10.
We bought the Wells only turbocharged V10.
I won't go on any longer.
It's an Audi RS6.
Which is, if you don't know, one of the scariest prospects for ownership.
You will ever come across in a vehicle.
Yes, they might be cheap and ours is exceptionally cheap.
The video is coming soon.
But God, just don't Google it.
Don't.
We Google it and we live in fear.
Basically, everything requires an engine out job.
An engine out job is 40 hours of labor.
We thought it was a...
We asked LGBT and it told us that.
We were like, yeah, pull the other one.
No, we then spoke to RE Performance.
They said, yeah, no, we get that way down.
We get that on to like 30 hours.
30 hours.
That's days and days.
That's a week-ish.
It's not a week, but you know, for us, that will be a week.
Yeah.
We'll get out well into a week just to get it out.
So we're just going to leave it in.
Which drive is it?
Drive it as it is because it's in great condition.
It's in great condition.
What is your rule of ruin?
It's been a week of ups and downs, but I'm in rule.
Firstly, for the first reason, I before...
I can't remember if I mentioned that on the last podcast,
but I had a track day booked and I was going to go in my M3,
which makes the logical sense.
M3s, they are used on track all the time.
They're good fun.
I've driven mine on one before.
Perfect idea.
So what I did was I brought my 100 horsepower 3 on 6i instead.
So I took that and I had to drive it up to Anglesey,
which is a four-hour 45-minute journey away.
Luckily, I had some friends there.
So I went up with some friends.
It was fine on the way up.
I then proceeded to beat the ever-loving piss out of this car.
If anybody else was there,
you would have seen me Scandinavian flicking it into Cornus
because that was the only way I could get it to do anything.
But it was incredible fun.
And then right on the last lap,
I was with my friend in the car and we were being dumb.
And I was literally, I was, I was going,
and we're going to go into it.
And as I said that, I heard,
and we both looked at each other and went,
that's weird.
What was that noise?
And the moment I touched the accelerator,
I heard an earth-shattering metal clunk from the back.
And so I just put it in neutral and rolled into the pits.
And again, it made the noise.
And I said to him,
go have a look underneath the back of the car.
And yeah, the whole diff was just smacking the subframe
because one of the diff mounts had just fallen out.
It disintegrated and just, you know, vaporized.
So I went around the pits going to anybody that had a BMW
and said, mate, do you have interest?
Do you have an E36 differential bushing?
Do you need those?
Yeah.
And obviously no one did,
but the next day we got it fixed and got it back up and working.
But I'm very pleased.
I'm glad I did one track day with this original engine.
It may now get the new engine.
He's signed off.
He's done his work.
But there is another piece of information.
You know about this.
Everyone around here knows about it.
So I won't stop talking about it.
But there is a development on the Ferrari front.
You see, we were talking in the last episodes
about wanting a Ferrari, a 550 Maranello.
I wanted one that was crashed.
And I said, hopefully we put the video out
and someone happens to comment who has a crashed one.
Full well knowing no one's doing that.
And yet a man called Jeremy commented,
not JC, commented on the video and said,
yeah, I've got a crashed one in France unrecorded.
It's been sick for three years.
And I looked at it and I was like, nah, there's no way.
Scam.
I saw a reply and said send an email.
But he sent me the photo,
which was his profile photo, which is this,
which is a conveniently cropped.
It's quite conveniently cropped,
but you can see there's some damage
on a Ferrari 550 Maranello.
Asked him for some more detail.
He literally responded to the email with that photo
and a full photo of the V5.
With the whole number as well.
So I could just transfer it.
So it's your car now.
And it just said, you can contact me here.
That was it.
That was the only message I've replied.
And Ben, we were in the car multiple times.
I was getting, I replied.
I gave him like five days.
He hadn't responded.
I was like, what's going on, man?
Where's the car?
What's happening with the car?
And he finally responded
and gave me some more information.
Sent me another photo.
It's not looking good, bruv.
Oh, and that's oil.
That's oil and coolant and everything.
And that's quite a crashed front.
Right.
Dip is aimed way too high.
But...
Do you test that?
So for those of you that can't see,
it is a quite well crashed Ferrari 550.
It's in France.
It's still there.
He is still, it was crashed two years ago
and it's still going through insurance at the moment,
trying to get them to pay out on it.
Because it's UK registered in France.
But I'm speaking to him.
And in the middle of trying to work out
how I could sell my family members.
Ben is up for sale, by the way.
I have very good deal.
I've got him on sale or return.
He's got you.
No returns.
No.
You don't want that.
So anybody that wants to buy anything of mine,
including Ben, please, you know, I will.
So hopefully that materializes in something.
So for that reason, it's a rule.
That is, it's almost perfect.
It is.
But it's also really scary.
It is really scary.
Because I've been speaking to some parts people
and the list that I was given by the owner, Jeremy,
comes out as nearly 30,000 pounds.
Okay.
That's new parts.
So I think with the used parts, we could get that out.
29, 28.
A little bit scavenging.
A little bit of YouTube trickery.
A little bit of my girlfriend literally said,
I could go and crash into one in the UK for you to get written off.
I said, that's not really how that works.
You'd have to like run to like Sicily or something for a year.
And then come back afterwards.
There's no extradition over there.
They can't do that.
Okay.
Well, that is exciting.
It is very exciting.
Excited at just getting photos over email.
Jeremy, if you're listening.
Big shout out.
Come on.
Let's get this deal going.
Benjamin.
Hi.
Ruin for me.
I'm just dealing with cars.
It's not actually that big of a deal.
I'm just doing maintenance bits on the X5.
It's had a wheel bearing.
So I hope that I will not die on them that way.
Excuse me.
And the Clio.
I think I mentioned last time it was overheating.
So I did some more testing.
Have we talked about that?
Yes.
It overheated, but I said I hadn't touched it since.
Oh, there it is.
That was when it was good.
Look at that.
So that is your 182 Clio, which you bought from Will.
You took it to the track there.
You had lots of fun.
Great fun.
Ever since then, that was in June.
June the 20th or something like that.
I haven't driven it since.
So it's gone off.
It's had its belt work done, which was just maintenance.
I didn't need that doing it.
I didn't need it because of the track there.
And now it has, you know, not suspension issues,
but it feels very loose.
Gearbox issues.
Gearbox issues.
Ben, I was going to suggest something.
Engine issues.
What, what say you to one night taking the trailer and the,
uh, the tow car home, loading it up, bring it here.
We, I don't know if you know, um,
but we have like an automotive podcast and a YouTube channel.
It's two of them.
In fact, that we make content on sort of like fixing cars.
You actually edit on it.
What would I do?
I actually think this may have featured in a very popular like
video for roughly a million people.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
If you want, you know, we're more than happy to feature.
It might be that to be fair because,
because the poor guy is not happy.
And is that you?
Yes.
No.
So I had an issue.
I did some investigation work.
It's a weird one.
It's a weird one for sure.
So you're always in Cullin,
but you don't know where it's going.
So, okay.
So I mean, quite very,
pretty walkie for it.
Okay.
Drove the car a hundred per month.
It came from getting the,
it came from getting the belts done and it needs
alignment really badly.
So we went to America,
loads of stuff was happening.
I'll be very busy.
I've been sat there, whatever.
I don't mean one of my good friends were like,
let's go for a little,
a little blast, you know?
And we went out,
I got possibly a mile from my house
and it overheated,
which was very weird.
And I said, that's odd.
Looked in it, nothing leaking.
Cool.
Got quite annoyed at the car,
went back down the road
and parked it at my house.
When you say overheated,
it got hot or it went all the way to the top?
I didn't let it,
but it would have done.
It would have gone okay.
I didn't let,
it got to,
I don't know, call it the orange.
It got to hot.
It would have like a color thing,
but if it was,
it would be the orange, not the red,
but it would have gone to the red.
Anyway, parked it up.
Cool.
No worries.
I'll ignore this for like a week now.
A week later, it was the weekend again.
And I was like, okay, cool.
I'm gonna have a look at this car.
Went to look at the engine bay
and there was no cool in the engine bay.
Or there was a bit,
but like a lot less
and what was in there.
I thought that's great.
So I pulled onto my driveway
and I spent the next hour
just investigating
and I don't know much about anything, but...
Now, one question I can't remember asking.
I think Edwin did ask this
and we'll get onto fan related issues
just after this story.
Does the fan come on?
No.
Okay.
So maybe you might just have a dicky fan.
But here's where it gets weird.
So a twist.
So I spent a while looking at it,
checking whether, you know,
different coolant pipes were getting hot.
Really investigation.
The reservoir no longer pressurizes,
which is kind of weird,
but and there's no,
it doesn't get hot in there.
But then a lot of other lines get hot
and the engine now doesn't overheat.
I've refilled it with coolant.
I've driven it and it doesn't overheat.
Okay.
So you think, okay, maybe it's fixed itself.
New issue.
He's French.
Bless him.
Of course.
It now only fires hot air into the car.
No matter what.
16 degrees on the climate control.
That's hot, hot air.
Okay.
There's that.
And now also,
so all that happened is I was like, cool,
I'm going to have to take to specialist client
and I'll call about anything.
And then I looked at it about another week later
and all the coolant was still in the car.
So, so something's going on.
And I don't know.
And these two thought it was a head gasket
and it may well could be.
It should not be now.
Because we were teasing.
But it's not.
It has no other symptoms.
And but it also,
because people are going to go, okay,
heater matrix,
but there's no water in the car.
No, nothing leaking to the car.
There are two pipes that go into the cabin,
which is obviously where that is,
but those didn't seem wet.
They look also,
the worrying thing about the whole car
is that all of the coolant lines are kind of new.
Not brand new, but they're not there.
Silicon.
Yeah.
They're upgraded guys.
I say each tenant to track car.
I think that's the solution.
That ended well last time.
Didn't it?
Well, it's gone to a specialist now
because I don't, I don't.
And I told him the issue
and he started laughing.
Well, that's tough.
That's never good.
Not laughing like haha.
Look at it.
But I was like, oh, that's a fun one to deal with.
To be fair, he did.
He touched part of the coolant lines
when he was doing the gearbox, right?
So the only thing that obviously it's had
was have the belts done
and it had water pump change.
So, so you can blame him then.
I said to him on the phone,
you did say, I said to him,
I was like, can you check the water pump?
And he said he's never known one to go
because it's a brand new OEM part.
I said, just give him a check.
But it doesn't make any sense
because the engine doesn't overheat.
So surely the water's getting pumped around the engine.
Yeah.
It's very strange.
And then, yeah.
So then I've got that on Monday.
It's quite funny.
Well, we were going to,
that was yesterday.
It's Tuesday.
I almost couldn't come in today
because I was on the phone with this specialist
for the X5 being like,
please, can you finish this car quickly?
And I just thought, you know,
if you've got two cars,
there should never be a time
where you don't have a car
and it almost happened.
It always happens.
It's great.
Always happens.
It's great.
So a ruin overall.
Oh, yeah.
A big ruin.
Sorry.
A bit of a long window one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you can't shift a dead car.
You can.
You can.
Will's just understood it.
At a great expense.
I will say,
I will mention this, Ben,
and you won't like this.
I sold that car to Taylor.
But what I think is actually
a very, very good price.
It needs a couple of it sorted.
I told Ben about this.
Yes.
And what did Ben say?
Now, Ben,
I'm going to be the impartial judge here.
The mediator.
Because I heard the word
and Ben claims to have not said the word.
Ben said,
Oh, I would have bought you off.
I would have bought it from you for that.
Okay.
Now may the defense,
please make their case.
Please off to you.
So I didn't say that.
Okay.
Now, just as a sidebar quickly,
that doesn't tend to work in court.
Your honor.
Your honor.
Nuh-uh.
I did do nothing.
Will said,
I sold it for,
I said how much you sell it clear for.
Thinking 6, 7 grand.
He spent 30,
40,000.
He spent 11,000 pounds on the car.
I thought maybe he did not lose that much.
So he goes 3 grand.
And I said,
Wow,
even for that price,
I might have considered it.
I might have bought it.
I said,
Ben,
they'll represent these little mites and babies.
No,
I said,
Ben should have could have wouldn't.
He is the master gaslighter.
Any of you,
any of you in the comments that go,
Oh,
you're so mean to Ben.
Ben is the manipulated.
He's there with the strings.
But you have done that multiple times before.
You go,
No,
you get proof and it's clear as day.
No,
I'm going to put CCTV in this unit.
Fine.
And you better keep that shit.
That's the cream live cast.
No,
I said might have.
No,
you definitely you literally said to me,
which is why surprised me so much is you said,
I would have bought that from you.
And I said to you on the spot,
I said,
no,
had I offered it to you,
you would have said no.
I said,
might have bought it.
And you said,
yeah,
you would have said no.
No,
no one knows just right because these guys don't know.
And I technically don't know because we have a,
a point of contention here.
Okay.
But you two sit there and you go,
I'm going to make a point here.
I'm not finished.
You go,
you go.
I'll say it right as if like,
this is what I believe.
And you go,
this is what I believe,
but also this is correct.
No,
but what I'm saying is I have no horse in this race.
I have no reason to lie.
I heard what I heard.
And it was you saying,
I would have bought it for you.
I used to and never admit even if it was,
it was a fairly close call to this conversation.
It wasn't,
it wasn't in another room.
I wasn't back at home.
Hold on.
I hear it.
There's Ben speaking about buying cows.
Ben,
I said,
I'm not a manipulator.
I believe I said that.
That's right.
I believe I said that.
I don't want you to twist this narrative.
I believe I said it.
I don't know.
And you know,
let's just agree to disagree.
You know what?
You're just,
you're big media.
You're big news.
Run the fake stories.
Shall we do some news?
Let's do some news.
We've got, we actually have news.
We've got our news.
Ben has been absolutely slinging news at us.
That I didn't even know about.
Ben, you are quite the liar.
I'm slinging what I've heard.
Shall we start off with...
Wait, hold on.
Is this just information of the week?
I think this is information.
Lovely.
You're only facts.
Well, because also I've just been called a manipulator
in front of thousands of people.
So I need to not lie now.
It's actually tens of thousands of people.
Wow.
Very popular podcast.
The McLaren collection we spoke about.
Yes.
OJ?
Mansour OJ's collection.
Which is mostly one colour.
Yes.
I will be honest.
When we first talked about this,
I hadn't realised that he'd passed away.
Hence why he was selling for the collection.
But he wasn't.
But yeah, the news is that the entire collection
was bought by one person.
Was it a rose?
I heard 75 million dollars.
Something around that.
That is absolutely crazy.
You're listening.
And that was you.
Can we have a go?
Can you come forward and say, was that true?
Was it you, Ben?
Listen, check out TDC Car Park.
There's an RS6 in there that we're scared of.
So yeah, there it is.
But that is, I keep hearing about this more and more,
but only in the last like five to ten years
is that I think cars among the super elite
are becoming more and more fashionable
or whatever you want to call it.
Because it's the same thing with the S1LM,
the Gordon Murray thing.
The same collector bought all five S1LMs.
Now, a lot of people,
I saw a lot of people being like,
ooh, they're so selfish.
He commissioned them.
It's not like Gordon Murray made them
and one guy walked in and went,
I'll have them all.
It's not like people rushing into Tesco
and buying all the PS5s and then putting them on eBay.
He said, make the PS5 form, I'll buy it.
It wasn't anything from the trolley, dear.
It was, I'll make you make the trolley
and then I'll have the entire lot.
On that Brunei energy.
Make me this.
I'll take them all.
But that is kind of crazy.
Also, it kind of feels like cheating.
Oh, the commissioning five is a bit odd.
It is a bit odd.
Because that's what makes it sound like.
We made five, one man bought them all.
Because then you got the last bit itself.
Someone said, I've commissioned it,
but you can just make me one.
Well, I assume it is because there were five F1LMs.
So just rich people problems.
Yeah, exactly.
Look, there are five F1LMs.
It's going to have to be a five F1LMs.
Oh, no.
What?
And you're going to pay what?
Oh, is it that much?
All of the bread in the world.
All right.
Okay, we'll do that.
Completely understandable.
Should be some change left on that one.
Meanwhile, one and a half McLaren F1s.
So yeah, whoever's got that collection, top stuff.
I would like to see some of them being out and about driven.
Partly looks at it, right?
And says, now I'm no expert,
but I'm not sitting $75 million in there.
I know a big chunk of that's the F1.
I'm looking at the rest of it.
Some of this is, it's in the...
It's in the sort of like,
poor people territory of $100,000.
How many of those things there are a million?
Well, what is Speedtail?
A million or two?
Yeah.
I don't know in Elver.
I don't know how much those are.
No, Speedtail.
There was one for sale at RM when we went there,
which was like three million.
No, it didn't sell for that much.
It sold real low on its estimate.
Okay.
If it was in pounds,
I think it would start with a one.
Didn't it also have like four miles?
I assume these all have the same...
Let's say that's two million.
This is Sabre.
Sabre?
Sabre Jeep, yeah.
I don't know how much that is.
But call it two.
Call all of them two.
The McLaren F1 is 25.
Now, the McLaren F1, the thing is,
they trade behind closed doors.
So people believe,
they're a 25 million pound slash dollar car,
but there are definitely ones trading for far more
than that behind closed doors.
So the P1 is what?
Two or three mil now?
Yeah, probably.
But interesting.
I guess also,
whatever the cost is,
you then have to add the tax of,
he is part of McLaren.
These cars are the only ones in the world
that have his name on it
as opposed to McLaren badge, whatever.
Do you also get...
You pay more because it's the collection.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like...
You can buy the whole collection.
But in theory,
that should be at discount.
Surely I'm helping you.
It's like Costco.
Yeah, exactly.
It's Costco.
What am I buying from Alibaba?
Going into Costco,
they go,
you have 100 pairs of plates.
Well, because you're buying 100,
that'll be 600,000 pounds
as opposed to 20 PE for one.
And then you buy those
and they go,
you get the Tilly girl that's VAT.
Oh, I didn't look that out.
But they go,
but you can have a hot dog.
So...
Do you know what I'm there?
If it was a Costco hot dog,
I'd pay 75,000.
But whoever's got the collection,
let us know.
We want to have a go.
Thanks.
Just the F1.
Just the F1 will do.
Yeah, just the F1.
Always the F1.
It's a bit like just 10%.
IX3,
I'm going to assume
that's not news.
Is that a story?
No, that's a news, mate.
That is news.
That's a news, mate.
IX3.
That's a new car.
So, Edwin,
the new class.
Is that what's called?
The Neuer class.
So, this is the new IX3.
Is the production,
when I think we mentioned it a while ago,
because it has a horrible steering wheel.
But this is now the production guy.
And it's the first Neuer.
What is it?
Neuer class, yeah.
The new design era for BMW.
The reinvention.
And it is horrible.
Now, at the first,
I thought, you know what?
I could probably get used to the front end,
but I've just seen the rear.
I'm not getting used to that.
That is, could you will?
Do you know how that feels?
That is like,
someone has sliced the new M5
down the middle and then just shut...
You know, when you slice a cake
and then you shuffle it together.
That's what they look like down that way.
Why is the badge got like a nose?
Yeah, it really does.
It's so weird.
Now, there is a...
Someone who is American at home
will...
Ed is watching.
For those of you that I'm watching,
have a look at the car up.
But it is a really not great looking car.
There is a Lincoln from the early 2000s
that share...
All late 2000s that shares
that sort of rear end
and looks horrible.
Why has he got the mother of all diffusers on it?
This.
What is this?
It is electric.
Why is it going to LeMond when it's diffuser?
It's electric.
So it's probably got a bit of arrow, you know.
Oh, yeah.
It's got, you know,
it's got to keep that weight off the ground.
You know, yeah.
Oh.
Now, tell me that that is a derivative.
They are of the same
ass feeding fish family.
That is tough.
That is a tough looking car.
Can we get an interior shot if possible?
Oh, please, please.
Because they...
As far as my word,
the steering wheel we mentioned before,
which for listeners is
imagine a two spoke steering wheel,
i.e. where your hands are, there's two spokes.
It's got one at the 12 o'clock mark
and one at the six o'clock mark.
So it's like a cross.
Yeah.
And I hate it.
It looks stupid.
So it's literally what they did in the 90s,
but instead of...
Okay.
They've taken a steering wheel from the 90s
and turned it 90 degrees.
I hate that screen.
Why can't it be square?
Why has it got to be...
Why is it...
What shape is that?
There's a trapezoid.
A trapezium.
I don't...
I think that's the sixer.
The steering wheel, I don't mind.
I quite like center console thing
because it's very simple.
But why is the screen falling over?
And then you've got another screen at the top there.
A parallelogram.
Parallelogram.
Oh, it's got a hybrid.
It's got a Nissan, not Nissan.
It's got a Prius-esque screen thing
over on the dashboard like that.
God, what's going on anymore?
Honestly, BMW looks down
when this is our new design.
This is what we're going to base everything off of
and God help you.
Yeah.
I still like the three series thing,
even with those long lights,
but the new M3 thing with T's with that.
I like that.
I think that can be cool.
But if they run them out like this,
it's going to be an XM season
where everyone looks at them and goes,
you get rid of a big screen.
I think that interior would be all right.
Yeah.
Oh, well.
Another common L for BMW in 2025.
Increasingly more so.
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We will move on to something
apparently equally as ugly.
I haven't seen it yet.
Ben has put horrible new Clio.
Now, I actually saw some comments about this.
This is the new Renault Clio
about people like in design.
I think it's horrible.
That is a new Renault Clio.
That is a Mazda 3.
So you told me about this,
as in just before this podcast,
so I could pull the photos up.
For those of you that don't know,
it does not look Renault at all,
but I think...
Let me check it now.
I feel like it's actually a badge engineered
like Nissan Pulsar or something.
I might be wrong.
A new microp perhaps?
That rear end is coming like a...
Yeah, whatever that or like one of the Nissan's.
They've also...
I have got a car comparison.
I thought of when I saw it.
What does that front end remind me of?
That nose.
Yeah, there's something...
So for those of you that can't see,
it's kind of like a...
BMW has been mixed with a...
Nissan mixed with a...
Just it's all different
car manufacturers rolled into one.
It's quite weird.
Can you...
It's slightly over-designed.
I don't think it's that...
The generation before...
Well, I think it's the generation before
the Mark IV Clio.
I don't think it was a good looking car anyway.
I think that looks slightly...
It's no worse than that,
but the front end's far too busy.
I don't mean to be rude,
but I've just gone on to YouTube
and it said the world premiere
of the new Renault Clio.
And this is from Group Renault on YouTube.
The video has 12,000 views
and zero comments.
Ooh, no comments.
It was streamed live last night
at about 6pm.
That's how many people care about this stuff now.
Tough.
Just no one cares.
That's really tough.
Can you figure it come out
with a spicy one?
Then fair.
But then how are they?
It's going to be an Alpine version
that's fully electric
and has 8,000 horsepower,
weighs 1.8 tonnes
and no one's going to care.
It reminds me of a mixture of an MG3,
about 2016-18, that sort of era,
and also a Zenvo.
Yeah, it does look like a Zenvo.
In all the wrong ways.
Yeah.
The front end is some...
Do you know what that's what it is to me,
is that nose where it leads
right into the grill?
It looks like a G80M3,
where the nose leads directly into the grill.
But it's like they've gone...
Like you said, they've just said,
all right, all these designs,
mash it all into one.
France, that's not your vibe.
What's going on?
So I've just looked it up
and indeed it is part of the
CMF CD platform,
which has basically every...
It is Nissan and Renault together.
It is what everything is based on now.
The Espace, the Kergera,
the Talisman, the Magan,
the Kolios, the Scenic.
The Talisman.
Yes.
The Espace,
the next Espace,
the Rafale, the Kangoo.
The Espace still exists.
This was 2015 until 2023.
The Espace yet 2023 until present.
Wow.
And then it's also the X-Trail,
Pulsar, the Centra, the X-Trail,
the Kashgar, the Townsar,
Townstar, sorry.
The Out...
And the Mitsubishi Outlander
and the Mercedes-Benz Saitan.
What the...
That is all on the same platform.
Saitan is a van type thing, right?
Yeah.
So all of these cars are on the same.
So I assume this is kind of related then
to the new Micra.
And another shocking set of wheels on it as well.
Yeah.
Now, one thing I'm going to say is
when Renault has just brought back the 5
in the way that they've brought it back,
that cool looking retro thing,
you can't get away with this anymore.
No.
That is lazy and boring.
Yeah.
You've done a bad job on that.
I know that it'll be like,
hey, it's fresh and cool,
but I don't know that that is.
I really hate when this is my last point on this,
but it's just reminded me.
It hurts a five door,
which I'm assuming it will be another case of
eating only by this five door.
Stupid.
Is when they hide the handle in that rear,
like panel, that rear quarter thing.
And then you just look like you have one very short door.
Yeah.
It never looks like...
Because a three door would have actual long doors.
It would...
The handle would be further back.
So why would you do that?
Just put a handle there.
We all know it's there.
I know it's demand
and it's because less people wanted them probably.
But five doors look like ass.
Yeah.
But I guess they just want to sell cars.
Yeah.
They don't care about that.
They don't want to feature on the cream podcast.
We get, yeah, it looks nice.
But also...
If that's built on the same platform as Nissan,
Nissan has built their micro on the Renault 5,
haven't they?
That's what that's based on.
Or it's the other way around.
I don't know.
No, I think the...
So the Renault 5 and the micro are together.
But then Renault's part of Nissan,
yo, we could all be making something good.
We could be doing lots of things.
We could get imagine.
Imagine, right?
Close your eyes.
Imagine the Renault 5, the new one,
Ben has gone to sleep.
The new Renault 5, right?
As it is to the old Renault 5.
Yeah.
So the new Renault 5 is a retro version.
Okay.
Retro modern.
Now imagine the new Renault Clio is a retro version
of the Mark 1 Williams.
Ooh.
Ooh.
All boxy.
But would you care if it was electric?
Maybe not.
I would.
I care.
I mean, I would care.
I think it could still be cool.
But still asleep, Ben.
And you're back in the room.
What else have we got?
Slightly more interesting news.
Well, at least for possibly some.
992.2Turbo S.
Oh, this is cool.
Now, Ben, you are the resident Porsche man among us.
Please don't lie.
So Porsche have announced the newest variant
of the Turbo S, the quick boy.
I have some specs here.
Here we go.
Now I'm just talking about the 7.
I'm pretty sure I heard something that started.
It's 702.
I'm going to be honest with you.
The design is more that of a Gen 1 and 991.1Turbo S.
For those people that don't speak Porsche out there,
what does that mean?
That means will.
2013-ish, that sort of time.
It looks like that.
So it looks like a better design sort of evolution.
However, I think this design they've done now
makes the front end look higher.
So if you look at that versus the pre-face lift,
the front end looks higher,
and I think it looks less aggressive.
Now, Ben, I have for a very long time
been in the camp of not all Porsches look the same.
But I'm starting to struggle
because if you showed me that and just told me
that was the new 911, I'd go,
sure it is.
Sure it is, bud.
I can tell that it's got these fishgills
on the front bumper.
Maybe I'd spot that.
Otherwise, I'm starting to really struggle with this.
Now, if you look at a 992Turbo S versus that,
you'll be able to tell a difference.
Now, this is similarly related,
but you're going into now these details.
This is what differentiates.
Hang on.
Can I just list specs first?
All right, go on.
Before you attack me, can I please...
So they're now all hybrids,
but in the way that hybrids should be,
which is helping your turbos be better
and there's no like...
Yeah, you can see that.
That's just the bump.
It's a different from a bumper.
But do you see how the new one,
the front end is, it looks higher up?
Give me numbers, Ben.
701 horsepower.
That's nice.
Not 16, 2.3.
That's quick.
Sorry.
2.3.
It did a seven minute and three seconds
of Nurburgring, which is 14 seconds quicker
than the last one.
What?
The 992, just 0.1.
It's hybrid.
As in hybrid, it has an electric motor
assisting one of the axles or something.
Well, I think it's also for the turbos,
helping them spool up.
They have electric turbos anyway, right?
Yeah, because you did that over.
I don't know anything then.
Oh, bit of misinformation.
That's one.
It's hybrid in the good way.
It's not like a plug-in,
but it might be actually,
but you don't have to plug it in.
I don't know.
What I mean is that the hybrid is there
for performance to enhance it.
Yeah, it's not a Prius.
Ben's a magpie.
Ben sees all shiny
and then puts it in the forecast.
Actually, there wasn't that shiny.
But now please, Will,
let's get onto something you were just talking about.
Just before I forget,
because Ben has tried to cover that one up.
So Ben is telling me that that is a completely different car
because of the gills on the front.
This is a bit different.
The gills mean that it's the .2 variant.
And this is how I saw it all week, by the way.
The C6, RS6 that we have just purchased.
We were going over some details
and some products and features.
And one of them that I remembered
from many years ago
is that the headlights,
or at least the side lights,
would you call it the daytime running lights?
On an RS6,
have 10 LEDs in each headlight.
And the only way you can have 10 LEDs in the headlight
is if you have an S6 or an RS6.
10 lights indicating you have 10 cylinders
in your engine.
And Ben lost his rag.
He went ape shit.
I actually haven't seen Ben
that annoyed by something so innate.
No, I hate the...
It's the design jargon.
It doesn't mean anything.
You've just injected meaning into it.
Now, that's a better design.
I think that's better.
But you know what you do?
You just make it look better.
You haven't got to justify
and go,
well, the wheels have two more spokes
because my grandmother's
second favourite cup of tea was
an old grey tea.
None of that.
It doesn't matter.
They're saying,
we need to make the headlights look different.
And again,
what I like about that
is it's attention to detail.
It's not.
They didn't have to change
their headlights at all.
They didn't have to change
their headlights at all.
So do you think
feature that indicates
this is the feature?
So do you believe it was random?
Do you believe
someone drew it
and then went,
God, what does that mean?
Yeah, I do.
What I'm telling you,
Ben, is that you've never met
someone who's into design
because of someone who knows someone,
they will find something for everything.
Everything has a meaning.
It really does to them.
That is a that they went,
I'm going to draw
some extra dots down here
for some reason.
If they're more aggressive
and then they did that
and they went,
I'll tell you what,
I'm going to make it give it 10
because the engine's got 10 cylinders.
That is a crazy German accent.
Hey, you bastard.
Just finished this RS6.
So you want 10
and it's the same amount of cylinders.
I don't know what it is.
It just annoyed me.
Not annoyed me.
I just don't understand it.
You basically,
you actually got quite violent
at the time.
I think this might
have been just a conversation.
I mean, we were shutting the windows
and we had to sort of...
No, I don't like it.
I don't like it.
We had to give you some distance
for a while.
You were red in the face.
Not everything like that
has to have meaning.
I don't understand why.
I don't understand.
But that does.
Why though?
It's LEDs on a headlight.
You haven't got to pretend
it's because
of the amount of cylinders.
Just say you want 10
because it looked cool.
So when...
But why would it be 10?
That's my question to you.
Why would it be...
Why wouldn't it be 30?
Because it's V10.
Because they would have...
But it's a design thing.
It's nothing to do with V10.
They'd probably inject the meaning
into it afterwards,
what I'm saying.
No, I don't think it's an accident.
I think it's...
I'm going to draw this
and then they went,
oh, it's kind of like the engine.
Design out of the Audi RS6,
C6,
step forward.
I'm happy to be wrong on this,
but I think...
Well, they'll just claim
that they did from the start.
The X5 and the Mini
needs his royalties.
I don't...
I'm going to start by
blowing up Ben and his tiny mind.
There will be so many comments
being like,
on your guys' side.
That's fine.
I'm happy to have my opinion.
No, there's going to be people
who do saying,
oh, I agree.
A lot of car designs to talk.
It is absolute...
Joey, it's Remnant of Jag.
That's what it got to me.
Yeah, because they get...
The blue is...
The new Jag.
I mean...
It's reminiscent of the sky,
which shows the infinite possibilities.
That's what I mean.
That was quite good.
It's stupid.
It's stupid.
It's stupid.
But that's not the same as...
Okay, all right.
We'll agree to disagree
that you are completely
and absolutely wrong.
I'm not wrong.
I'm not denying it's a cool feature.
It's also...
It's such a minor part.
Also, these two got sucked
when I said it.
They both started...
They both started
ganging up on me this time.
We were not excited by it.
We went,
oh, that's cool.
Yeah.
You went,
oh, that's not cool.
It's just stupid.
Yeah.
Why would we do that?
It's just wrong.
I wasn't angry.
I was...
I said,
I don't like that really.
Sorry.
And then you turned on me
and it became quite...
Gaslighting Ben is back.
Surely we have the raw footage.
If we have the raw footage
of going through it,
we'll put it up in it.
I think actually...
Ben will have cut that.
No, I actually think
we deleted that footage.
My laptop is right now
in the background
and I'll find it.
No.
Would you like to move on?
Would you like to redeem yourself?
I'm not gaslighting you, man.
Would you like to redeem yourself?
Cool.
Right.
Can you please tell me
what's been announced today?
I put it in there
because I saw it was being announced today.
So, we can have a live look.
Okay.
I'm going to do that right now.
I'm going to talk about it.
You talk about something else.
So, SF90 is the...
It's not flagship, is it?
It's the sort of flagship Ferrari.
I think it was flagship.
It's not the...
It's not the most powerful
hybrid Ferrari.
It's been out for a few years.
I thought it was brand new to be fair.
I don't understand Ferrari at all.
Nothing has been announced
there in the news field.
Okay.
So, there's meant to be a replacement
for the SF90.
Is that correct?
I'm deleting all my social media.
There's no point of me.
So, it will be unveiled 8.15 CEST.
Is that central time?
That's like three minutes.
Is it an hour?
Is it an hour?
No.
It's in three minutes.
All right.
So, if we keep talking about it
for three minutes...
So, the SF90...
It's 7.12 pm right now.
What does the red represent
on the SF90?
Well, that's...
My favorite meat is pepperonis.
And because of that,
I've made my car red.
Well, actually what I did
was I colored it in red.
Interesting.
Okay.
And now, do you know what the stem's from?
The stem's from Ben Not Dreaming.
That's fair.
Well, well, well.
If Ben, you know what?
I've just clicked on Ferrari's YouTube channel
and we have got a video named...
Welcome.
Now, this is quite big news.
Everybody's watched this.
I've found this out weeks ago.
Welcome the Ferrari 849 Testerossa.
Whoa!
Now, this is quite cool.
So, is that Testerossa with a space?
No.
It's all together.
Now, didn't they have to get
that name back?
I believe so
because the owner of that was a model car company.
Because there was something around that
they hadn't used it in so many years.
Yes.
So, the name kind of became open season.
Correct.
But you can't just go,
I'm going to have the name Testerossa.
Forever.
But I'm not going to do anything with it.
So, I'm going to click play.
This is a genuine live reaction to this.
There's a Ferrari...
I just want to let you know
this falls under fair use
where we're reacting to it.
Yeah, we're reacting to it.
There's going to be two faces in the corner.
Now, what are we talking about here?
Okay.
So, this is a 296 replacement.
So, I'm going to assume
it's going to be based on the same thing.
No, no.
It's a SF9.
Oh, SF90 apologies.
Please accept my apologies on this.
I think it is.
What have we got?
Now, for the...
Oh, I like that.
It's a small...
That's a small SP3.
It's a small SP3 slash F80.
Oh, it looks sad.
What is it like an F40?
Oh, okay.
Okay.
I'm...
It's got a V6.
I'm going to swing.
Okay.
It will hit you surely.
No, but SF90 didn't, right?
Well, can you use the answer
and just see the final reveal?
I don't like any of this.
I just want to see the car.
I don't like this design.
I like that a lot.
It's sort of 308.
I really like that.
That is cool.
No, this is cool.
I like the shape of it.
I like everything,
but I don't like the monobrow it's got.
You don't like that?
I quite like that.
It looks like it's frowning.
That's what's going on.
The Ferrari 849
I'm pulling up on Ferrari's doorstep
to get some information.
I'm going to say it's got a V6.
It has got a V8.
It has got a max power output
of 1,050 CV,
which is I think in PS like 980.
It's about the same as the SF90.
It is 0-60 in 2.3 seconds.
Oh, convenient.
But it has a convenient number
just after the turbo s has come out.
2.3.
That was 2.5 yesterday.
Then the turbo s came out.
They went, it had changed.
Why in the name of all that is holy?
Have you held that?
Look at that.
Why have you made that?
I like that a lot.
Wait, why is that a V8?
And your flagship multimillion pound car is a V6.
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's baffling.
That's really, really crazy.
Now, oh, I like this a lot.
Now, I know this is going to be a little bit old hat
to a lot of you listening.
You might have heard this.
You might have seen it on Instagram right now.
But this came out three minutes ago for us.
So I'm not a fan of that spec,
but that is a bit,
it's a little bit slab sided, I think.
Yeah.
It doesn't, it doesn't have any,
look at that.
That's just a line up the side.
Also, that's just an SF90, that roofline.
What does that mean?
What it needs it for those of you listening,
if you haven't seen it yet,
it does look a little bit test rosary,
but more with like a 458 roof.
Yeah.
It's kind of a slopey down roof,
but it doesn't have the strikes up the side.
That I think is what's missing for that.
Because the SP3 Daytona does.
It does have that, yeah.
Which is, I think that's good.
That's good.
Cool.
I think that's good.
It's mini FAT slash SP3.
Yeah.
I think it's a good thing.
But again, the sides of it,
I don't know why that.
That is, you're very right.
That is just a block on the side.
And perhaps there's a reason for that.
And the flat door represents the flat plane
that you can drive at 300,000 miles an hour.
Yeah, that's it.
It represents the flat V12,
which isn't in the tester on this car,
but was.
Or is it perhaps because the man had a pen
and thought, I'm going to draw this.
He was bored in Italy
and couldn't be bothered to design anything.
Yeah.
I'm going to be real.
I don't like this.
The tester or some name,
I don't think belongs here.
I can kind of agree.
But I do like this.
I think this is cool.
Do you know what?
Retire the jersey.
Fair.
They did to be fair for a long time.
I don't like it.
I don't enjoy it.
That's GTA Ferrari.
I kind of.
From the front.
I kind of understand it.
But I like that.
I don't.
Ben.
I like the shape of it.
I like the rear of it.
But that front,
that's weird.
Live breaking news on the cream podcast.
We need to get one of those things
that rolls across the screen.
Breaking news.
Just in the 849 is called the tester.
We're going to get more from Edwin here.
Okay.
I like it.
It looks nice.
But I think calling it a tester
also not having also very design
elements because for those of you
listening and you can't see,
we have outrun to coast to coast
on the screen.
We've got Ferrari's galore.
Do you have any more information
on the 911 turbo that I should know
about?
You didn't care enough.
So I'm not going to lovely.
All we go is it just that you
don't know.
Very fast.
Very cool.
More expensive.
Ben's car reviews.
Very fast.
Cool.
Moving on.
Do we have it?
Shall we get on some anecdotes?
Let's get a lot of news.
We've got a lot of news.
First one you've put in here
anecdotes wise.
Can we connect just because
I have it on my screen.
It keeps making me laugh.
I just need to get it over
and done with.
Is the Saab.
Okay.
So now this was sent in
by a viewer.
I didn't actually have a name
on your Instagram, but it said
BP.
Oh, this is sent in
by the local BP garage,
which is very cold drinks.
Very cold drinks.
We're always thankful for it.
Shout out the BP.
Now he sent a link to you.
This is we've kind of
explained it before on the
podcast, but we have
don't laugh, which is you
see something funny.
You take a photo of it or
you tell the person,
you mustn't laugh at this.
It's very easy.
It's an easy game.
You point it out to them
and they have to try not to
laugh.
This was one of those
occasions.
They said to you,
what did they say to you on
text?
They just said basically
long time creamer thought
you'd find this funny
auto trader link and I
almost went past it.
I thought it's going to be,
I don't know, a silly car
that won't be that funny.
And I thought, you know
what, our curiosity,
let me open it.
And I opened an auto trader
link with a single photo
for a Saab and it was this.
Now, yeah, for the
for the audio views,
we will explore with it.
Yeah.
Just for the visual views,
don't laugh.
Ready?
So for the audio listeners,
that is a Saab
93 2-liter turbo
listed for self
ÂŁ1,950.
It's got 96,000 miles.
Very nice.
It has just one photo
available.
And it is of eggs.
It is a lovely,
looks looks like a lovely
sort of place.
We've got a really nice plate
with some eggs.
Are they mushrooms
underneath?
Steaks?
Also, why are the egg yolks
being cut open
and folded over?
So we've got some steaks
on a plate with some eggs
and some lovely pepper.
And George, George,
should we just give a little
sort of half points to the plate as well?
Yeah, no, that's not what I'm saying.
Nice plate, yeah.
The plate is lovely as well.
Sort of marble top there.
Now, now we all
absolutely cackled at this
for quite some time.
It's the only photo.
I was at home editing yesterday.
Will called me.
But unfortunately today
we clicked on the link
and it's now an actual Saab
mine group.
It's quite disappointingly.
Interest fell off.
The car for sale.
It has many photos.
That's lots of them.
But luckily, Ben took a screenshot.
But what made me laugh even more?
Is that it's a dealer?
Yeah, it is.
It's like a van sales company.
He does it day in, day out
and went, screw it, have an egg.
He's going through.
No, no interest on that Saab.
Why is that?
Open up the egg.
Oh, they're my eggs.
Also, it's available to reserve now.
So you could just online.
You can press reserve now
and get the eggs.
We debated very briefly about just
just buying the car.
No matter what it was,
no matter how bad it was
for the sake of
can we go there
and do we get the egg?
Yeah.
Can if we buy this car,
rigging them up saying,
look, I'm interested in the Saab
on one condition.
I would like a plate of steak
and eggs cooked in the same way
with the same format.
I want to be served at the same place.
And if it's good,
I'll pay you for asking.
I'll pay the foot.
My knock you down a bit.
If it's not good.
Haggle room.
These aren't the eggs.
You advertised.
These eggs are really not cut.
What are the context?
Are they his eggs?
Did he make them?
It's not an easy accident to make.
First things first.
Please, you creamers.
Don't go contacting them.
I know that it says their thing there.
It's not funny to do it.
Ironically, not funny.
Don't mess with someone's business.
But it's funny to look at it.
But don't go,
guys, I found out what they were doing.
Don't leave him alive.
And they've changed it now.
Yeah.
You just tried to, you know,
upload pictures of a Saab
and he uploaded one picture
of his egg dinner.
Now, did he now
was the person that sent it to you?
The person that owns
the garage and gone,
right, I know how to
drum up some interest on the Saab.
Marketing and getting cream to go,
everyone look at the Saab.
I wouldn't like that as much.
That would feel.
If you are looking to sell
a reasonably priced performance
automobile or an auto trader,
simply upload it
with a picture of an egg
or something funny.
And we will go,
that's an egg.
Also a quite clear distinction
between news of cream
and anecdotes of cream.
One is about news
of cars being released.
The other one is of an egg.
So that's that's our egg-related
news going.
I don't think that will be beaten
actually.
So one of the anecdotes
you've put in here, Edwin,
is James Bond in traffic.
Now, this was a thought
I had the other day.
This is, this is,
if I'm honest, completely a name.
But I thought, you know,
you know in James Bond,
where they go,
you know, he has revealed
his new car.
Q.
Yeah, Q gives him,
hey, here's your,
we call it the vanish.
And they say,
you must now drive to
Austria to stop the man
with the cat.
Yeah.
He's sitting in traffic.
Yeah.
Like there are points where James
Bond, he's sitting at the
channel tunnel.
Come over and go,
mate, your ticket's been
delayed till five 15.
Why is he driving?
This is what I mean.
In the, in the movie,
you see him,
cause I was watching James Bond,
he goes, right,
I'll be there in a moment.
And then it cuts to him
pulling up at the swanky
hotel.
It doesn't show him sitting
in M25 traffic.
He can't go around that.
No, you can't.
Well, there is a few,
I think it's tomorrow never
dies.
I think it is where he's driving.
I can absolutely ask on the
street.
It's just in London.
I want to say it's actually in
the DB five.
I'm fairly sure there's going
to be some nerds out there
who will correct,
but he's driving in London
and he's probably just like
just going to meet M
somewhere or whatever.
And he's just absolutely
slunking it around on the
street.
So like, well, yeah,
I know you're James Bond,
but you can't.
I mean,
let's calm it down a bit.
I don't like just to kill.
And that means collateral damage
to his pedestrians and everything.
Yeah.
But I just bond in traffic
getting frustrated at,
you know, seeing the red bit
on ways.
Does he does he get onto
the channel tunnel?
And then when they
it goes,
please open your sunroof.
That's your handbrake on.
Does he say,
did he lean back in a seat
and go, right,
get a bit of kit for a bit?
Is James Bond sitting there
asleep?
Go go and kill a dude with
a scar later.
Do you think it's road rage
as well?
Because he might have the
temptation.
He is aggressive and X5 pulls
out in front of him.
Easy flashing.
He puts them.
I blocked a secret agent.
Turns out he wasn't a doctor.
He's doctor.
No.
Yeah.
That's very good.
It's very good.
Yeah.
I would quite like to see that.
There is actually there is
one piece of traffic in a
jet.
I think it's skyfall.
Whether they're in the XJ.
Oh, no.
Sorry.
It's not James Bond.
It's M.
I don't know who I am.
And then am I whatever number it is?
Brows up.
So that's why it's impossible.
That's why you don't wait for
traffic because if he does,
serious stuff happens.
And my phone blows up.
Yeah.
That was a reminder to me.
When I saw that in there,
I was like, is this about
someone you've spotted with a
number plate because I saw
someone with a stupid number
plate and it was.
I'm actually, I'm going to
out them.
I'm going to have to do
otherwise I can't tell them.
It's a Jaguar I-Pace I
saw in traffic and his
number plate was
007
E.M.H.
Now,
I'll let you figure out what that
and how that's formed.
No shade to anyone called
the, I'm called Edwin after all.
It's not the most swanky sounding
name, but no one in MI5
called E.M.
No.
Let's say his name is H is
Harold.
He's like, Harold.
Ian Harold.
He rocks up to his business
meeting.
It's five miles away.
In our I-Pace.
He goes Harold.
Ian Harold.
Quick, chase that man.
Mate, I can't,
I've got five miles range.
Water still.
It's a Jag.
It's not even Aston.
I didn't get a glimpse at the man
behind.
I do believe anyone with it.
I don't care if it's,
I don't care if you're driving
James Bond himself's
DB5, the one that went,
I don't care what it is.
If you have a 007 plate,
please.
007.
Please grow up.
Or a boss plate.
You are equally as,
you're on the complete opposite
ends of the spectrum.
Those are two humans that do
not mix.
But you're essentially the same.
A boss plate.
CEO plates.
You're the CEO of the circus
is what you are.
Yeah.
If it's boss and you've done it
55.
Yeah.
Feel free to crash a car into a
wall.
Bo 55.
No, no, but you're going to
Bo 55.
Yeah.
But when they run out and
your initials aren't the rest
of it, people go BD.
That means you're not even the
boss.
You're the bus.
I'm the bus of this place.
If you've got that plate,
please.
Yeah.
Just don't listen to podcast.
What else have we got?
What else have we got?
Oh, Ben, you've put in here
the radio.
I believe this follows on from
a discussion.
This is more of more of you
guys.
It's going to be interesting
to talk about.
So do that.
Please.
I don't know.
I don't know what you're doing.
I think recently, basically,
I've just got on your phone
so I haven't connected my Bluetooth
to my car.
So I've been listening to the
radio.
Yeah.
And it made me realize who in
God's name is listening to the
radio.
And that because we do YouTube
and whatever else we thought,
right, what are the viewing
numbers on radio?
And they were just,
it was, well, it's just made
up.
One of them claimed that
there are, I can't remember
what the numbers were, but
let's say it was like,
there are 35 million adults
in the UK.
33 million people listen to the
radio.
Sorry.
We literally thought, right, so
the three of us are the only
people that don't listen to the
radio in the UK.
But like my family don't listen
to the radio.
No.
My friends, I don't think
listen to the radio.
Do you know what I think it
is?
I think it's that every time
you get in the car, let's say
the radio automatically comes
on.
And you go, I'll turn that
off.
I'm going to go to Bluetooth
or to car play.
Or maybe like the radio is
just playing in the background
somewhere and they go,
that's a listener.
They're activated.
You know what?
I know your man texted and
says, keep the tunes coming to
radio.
Now, I know it's rich from us
with the dross that we speak.
Yes.
You know, this podcast is
absolute clown bait.
But at the same time, Ben and
I were stuck in the 36 and my
Bluetooth dongle died on the
way back from
the 205 and we were
subjected to all
upwards of an hour and a half
to two hours of,
so guys, what's your
favorite breakfast meat?
Come on, man.
Like what are we doing?
Just play some.
I had the same.
I think it's radio one.
Also, I just don't like,
I don't like why have I got to
know your number?
Want to go, right, tune into
97.45 and you're going to get
shout out.
Also, here's one for you.
If I'm listening to it,
I'm already on it.
Also, if I drive up the
country, I can't get it
anymore.
I know DAB and stuff.
But anyway, I was listening to
one and they were like,
are we looking for people
called Vubbo?
And they went on LinkedIn
and found a man called
Vubbo who was exceptionally
Dutch.
Yeah, show.
I thought, what is this?
I mean, I was listening.
I was actually quite hooked by it.
I hate this.
Tell me more.
Your whole argument falls apart
because you were engaging with
about it.
But I was like, but also
if I had an option to change
to something else,
because I couldn't have time,
you know, Will's next button.
What am I doing here?
But then you get into that
thing where I'm starting to
seek.
I don't know where I am.
But then I'm listening to
what's that one?
Or I'm listening to
Hey, man.
I'll tell you what,
as a joke of the track day,
I put on Radio 4.
What's going on?
Nice.
You know, I was smooth.
I'll tell you what, I was smooth.
So you got smoother with
what is the smoothest
radio stage?
It's got to be Radio 4.
Or classic.
To drive fast too.
Yeah.
My question is why is it right?
So Radio 1,
allegedly every adult in the
UK is listening to that
every day.
Every one you know.
And that's not even including
like kids on the bus
on the way to school
listen to it as well.
That's everyone in the country
listening to this, right?
Why is it I can't get it
but I could be on an island
in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
I get class KFM is always
you're always scared.
So people are on holiday.
They're saying that all these
people listen to them.
Not all these people are in
the country at the same time.
We're going abroad and just
listening to the plane.
Some Americans come to the UK
to visit and they're
putting Radio 1.
Who listens to the radio?
Old people listen to the
radio and they just leave it
on until they fall asleep.
And tire shops.
Tire shops.
That's it.
Which is still old people.
It's true.
Sort of old people.
And then who else?
Who else is listening to the radio?
Purely by accident.
Okay fine.
I don't think it's 30 million
people.
Chuck in some shops.
Shops.
That's not fair.
We can't just go and play our
YouTube videos in shops
and save you 30 million views.
Well that's where that because
so when I used to get a bus
to school when I was younger
and they always had
KISS FM on the bus.
Classic.
And are you counting the
30 people on that bus
as listening to it?
Because I'm involuntarily
listening to it.
You know what I mean?
If you're watching on the
train a TVC video,
the person next to you
looks over your shoulder
is not watching the video.
It was.
They had a meeting
where they were like,
right, let's we got to work
out how many people listen to
our stuff.
They go, okay, here are the
official numbers.
And then someone went,
yeah, but there's people on
the bus and there's people
at the shopping center.
There's people here
and someone just went
just stick them all on it
and it's everyone.
It turns out it's
literally everyone.
I don't trust radio
numbers at all.
And I don't know who
listens to it
because it's it's
eternally frustrating.
Also, how do you
how do you work?
The the the the
the technology behind it.
But how?
Radio frequency.
No, but like, okay, so YouTube,
right?
It's a server.
Everyone's log into
what's the video so you can
count it quite easily.
Radio, you're coming over
the airways.
How do you know I'm
listening?
How can you radio?
Yeah.
Inside.
But I mean, how do you
count that?
I mean, I don't
trust that.
They're just going,
yo, 57 million people
used to live with
YouTube.
I don't know anything
about anything, but it's
they're just they're
going, it's going out into
the ether and then you're
you're you're you're
you're hooking on and
you're listening to it.
I want to take a leaf out
of their book.
Congratulations on cream
for being the most listened
to podcast on earth.
We have beaten Joe
Rogan and whoever else does
podcast.
We have had a concurrent
17 billion people listening
to this podcast, which is
crazy dead and alive.
Everyone to ever exist.
Sing a movie.
Okay.
There has to be at least
60 million viewers.
Will she work out?
Okay.
So how many people in the
house?
I'm going to do a shortcut
for you.
Put them all in.
I think it's 10 million
people who like cars in the
UK.
60 million.
But how many people have
seen cars?
60 million.
Oh, okay.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So they know what cars
are.
Yeah.
Take some kids off that
add in the animals.
They've all got
two cars each.
That's 120 million.
Okay.
And then.
Yeah.
That's it.
120 million.
Lovely.
Let's make it
actually.
Feve right now.
Well,
it's three million pounds.
I'm real sorry about that.
Moving on from radio rambles.
Ben, you've also put in here
the financial crisis prices.
Yes.
I thought this was a post
from Instagram from someone.
Yeah.
Somebody made a post
about this.
They know something.
They know something about
something.
And this was so in 2008,
there was a financial crisis.
You may know about it
because everyone
I heard it on radio, I think.
Everyone did.
Yeah.
Everyone did.
And basically,
I had a lot of money
and a lot of people
had a lot of money
and I'm not having very
much money in the end.
So a lot of people
had to get rid of their cars.
Yes.
So I have some prices
for cars that sold in 2008.
Yes.
J E J other
other videographer J sent
this on over to me
and I was actually saddened.
Okay.
I would run for a few
How old were you in 2008?
Just I would have been
six years old.
Now,
what I would recommend
is by property.
No,
you should have bought
these cars.
You should have been
I shouldn't have been
sat on the ground
to play though.
Probably, yeah.
It makes a lot of sense.
I'll tell you what,
the green one was the best one.
That tasted the most.
Right hand drive
Ferrari F50
October 2008
$620,000.
So we saw,
for reference,
a F50 cell
at RMSotheby's
for $11 million.
Was it?
Was it less than that?
Also the right hand drive
car,
that's the Brunnery car.
We've got a,
this is a bundle,
obviously a rich guy
I would assume
that has, you know,
he's lost a lot
on the old stock market.
Ferrari F50
F40 Enzo
to 80 GTO
all of them were listed
for 3.7 million,
all of those together.
Sorry,
was that all?
A little bundle deal.
Yeah.
The whole thing.
And how much?
Sorry, I missed that number.
3,000.
3.7 million.
3.7 million.
So that's you.
So realistically,
the Enzo is now worth
two to three.
I think is the beginning
of an Enzo.
An F40 is starting
at one or two.
You know,
it's crazy.
Mercedes 300 SL
Goldwing sold for
$535,000.
This is all dollars,
by the way.
Yeah.
They are like minimum
1.5 to 2.
Now,
who these garage I think
was 1.5,
I want to say.
I don't know.
Twin-Turbo Koenig
F50 listed for
538.
Now, I want to know
the video of that car
that I love.
I really want to know
where that car is now
because it seems to have
disappeared off the face
of the earth.
That car is special.
That is an actual
F50 with twin turbos.
Koenig's egg CCR
639,000.
Tough.
Look at the amount
of that.
An F40 went
unsold.
Expensive.
$375,000.
How would that
kind of tracks, actually,
because that 2008
would have been roughly
when I saw that one.
I think I've mentioned it
on the podcast.
I saw one at Maranello
when I was a kid.
The price in the window
was ÂŁ225,000.
Did you say he bought
the car?
The guy bought it.
Drive it home.
No number.
But you didn't buy it.
Look,
it was a great time.
He made a better offer.
Well,
you should have gone with
the brother.
You came in
at three Porsche
dust caps that you
stole and, you know,
sort of have this chrome dust
cap.
Brackets actually true.
And finally,
for 3.8 million
McLaren F1 GTR.
That's a tough one.
That's a really tough one.
I have a few more here.
Also,
at that point,
flashback to then,
maybe feasible
that I could have
convinced someone,
maybe not on my age then
because I would have been
11 to drive it.
Three mil.
I know that's still
obscene money,
but you might find
someone who go,
yeah, okay,
but now it's not happening.
Yeah.
Sort of the GDP of a
large country.
Yeah.
You know,
I'd say it's,
would that be 27 million?
That's probably like half
the amount of people
that listen to Radio 1.
You could,
yeah.
Yeah.
If Radio 1 donated a pound,
we might be able to,
we could get like two F1s.
Crazy.
So if Radio 1,
you're listening.
Yeah.
So basically,
sorry,
be me.
Yeah.
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So yeah,
we should have been investing.
Yeah.
But hey,
what do you think, Ben?
One car,
what do you think
is going to be that right now
that in,
what is that?
15 years?
No,
17 years,
whatever it is.
It will be that
where you look back
and go,
nah,
2025 you could get
that for that.
I think it would be
a plate of eggs
for $1,900.
Yeah.
But hey,
what do you think,
Ben?
One car,
what do you think
is going to be eggs
for $1,950?
Yeah,
if you bought that
at the bottom
or you need
I mean,
like storing it would be
different.
Well,
yesterday is that
they were eggs.
Today,
they're a Saab.
So the stock is going up.
Oh,
Ben's quotes.
Yesterday's eggs
are today's.
I think,
I think,
Merch Lago
is going to be up there.
Agreed.
I think,
no,
don't worry about that.
They're not going anywhere.
I don't know,
they're going up.
Because I think when,
when we're all driving
refrigerators
and washing machines around,
I think,
and it's not because I have any
vested interest.
I think it's because I actually
believe it.
I think E92s
and E46s
are going to go up
like E30M3s did.
Yeah.
Because I think
because there will just be
this thing where everyone's
like any 39M5s
will go,
oh my God,
God,
do you remember when they
just made them so good
when they were great?
Meanwhile,
the car that rusts
E60M5,
I think,
it's where people look past
any problem they have.
They become a,
and it's not when they're
10,
it's not when they're 10,
15,
20 years old.
It's when they're 30,
40,
50 years old.
If you look at when things
like the mirror,
when they weren't that old,
people are going,
oh, it doesn't drive that
well.
And like the
Richard Hammond thing,
we says the front end goes
like,
no one gives a toss
about any of that now.
They just want the mirror.
Same as in Mercy Lago,
anything,
any issue that car might
have had when it was
they just lose that.
And that's why I think that
even an SMGM5
will be
one,
because there'll be tons
of M5s that are not
maintained very well.
So there'll just be those
dead ones,
ones no one wants.
So finding a good one
in a good spec
that's been looked after,
it won't even matter
what gearbox it's got.
Agreed.
Someone's going to go,
that's the V10 M5
from 40 years ago.
Amen.
The RS6,
get us with an offer.
We'll take the 200,000
pounds.
RS6 is,
I think,
yeah,
really, really good.
The RS6.
Maybe the first one.
But in my head,
that is the RS6.
Yeah.
That is the BMW.
That sums up.
Yeah.
I was going to say
that is the BMW E39 M5.
Yeah.
Where if you say M5
in my head,
even though it's not
the one that I want the most,
it's the one.
It sums up RS6.
Yeah.
It's the last RS6,
RS6 if you like.
But yeah.
So investment tips
from TDC.
Meanwhile,
Will's selling his there,
Cleo lost there today.
Cleo.
Yeah.
I did.
I thought about that.
If I kept that car long enough,
it would be worth good money
and a trophy.
I don't think we can actually
mention that.
A trophy appeared
the unit the other day.
I was really quite
misleadingly.
Really quite annoyed
of that.
But a trophy again,
another car.
That's what I'm sitting on mine.
A fixed course
system I've put away
for a few years.
People want them silver
ones with no service history,
didn't they?
I got some.
But even that to be fair,
again,
the service history thing
when car gets to an age,
no one cares.
It's my money.
It's fetching
ÂŁ800.
It's fetching two grand.
We spoke to Peter
who let us drive the M5
and he was looking
at bringing a 172 to the US.
He did.
Which in my head
would be awful.
I couldn't imagine
once to do that.
How do you beat?
Cool.
Did we have anything else
or is that?
All my phone is not coming
on.
Here we go.
We've got SAR bags.
Cleo
done that.
I also put egg in here
again for some reason.
Death mileage.
This was a question
you had before the podcast,
asked me, I was sat in that room over there and I quickly shouted at him,
do not speak, we'll have a podcast.
Yeah. Now it came about, the first question was,
how many miles do we think we would have as humans?
Yes.
I didn't realise that was a dumb question.
But then realised, what is like the at what is?
Well, it's quite quite interesting.
Thought experiment.
Yeah, okay.
But what is the average mileage a car dies at?
You know, we're talking like humans where, you know, life expectancy is ever increasing.
Is life expectancy of a car ever increasing?
I always think this, when I speak to people who aren't into cars,
there seems to be a belief that once a car hits a hundred thousand miles,
it's old and like, I should get rid of this car.
Which is funny, because then you like, the RS6 has got 117K on it and we're like,
that's like one of the lowest mileage cars we've bought.
We're on borrowed time, according to other people.
But yeah, I think that's 100K is like the mark of, oh no.
Once we go past that six-wigger,
I'd better start looking for a replacement for this car now.
I think it depends country to country as well.
In the US, they say 100,000 miles and go,
Oh, just broken in.
Just broken in, buddy.
God, because they do more driving, we don't.
So if you've got 100,000 miles on your micro, God.
No, I think it's about, I think it's what people do to it.
I think it could go longer, but put together up.
I think it's 120,000.
I think it's 150, I think you're thinking about retirement,
you're looking at a pension about 100K.
125, you're packing in the job, you're retired, and then 150, you're dead.
Interesting.
Dead.
Wow.
I do think I...
Car's gone.
Crushed.
120 is actually in my head, I think, because I see cars for sale very often at 120.
Because you've just surpassed 100, you might have done a year or two or more driving,
but you're not willing to take it into that.
Because also there's the...
You're getting into the next batch of big maintenance.
The doldrums.
And then once you get to like 180, people just ride it through.
Like 180 to 300, you're just going.
And people will live with that car and they'll keep it going.
Realistically, the second 100,000 miles, it's your second wind.
As long as you get your cam belt or your chain or whatever it is done,
you're like, yeah, I'm on life too.
You've broken the sale.
So you're ready to go all night.
I'm just new again.
Let's go again.
Never mind the bushes.
We're carrying on, despite any of that.
But I say 120, which means your X5 is...
He's an old boy.
He loves it.
He's well-passed.
What is that? 170?
180? 180?
You're almost...
Hell.
Do you know what's funny?
But you are in the afterlife right now.
Is it...
I don't want to say anything because I want to get home later,
so I'm just going to carry on.
My...
At this weekend, I went to an auction with my friend
and indirectly bullied him into buying me 36.
Nice.
I went to...
He went to register for bidding.
He wasn't...
Had no intention of bidding on the car.
I looked at it in the car and went,
this car is really nice.
I'd buy this, if I were you, which I knew would work.
We got there.
He went to register to bid.
I said, I'm going to go to the toilet.
When I walked out of the toilet, he went, I've bought it.
I went, what?
Anyway, in the time you went to the toilet,
she had the view of my bidding card
and the car popped up and the guy said,
ÂŁ2,300, no bids.
He put his card up.
He said, okay, two, four, I sold.
And I was like, oh no, where is it?
I don't even know.
I haven't seen it yet.
So when I looked at the car and it is the most immaculate...
The most immaculate E36 I've ever seen, 60,000 miles.
But 60,000 miles isn't a small amount of miles.
This car looks like it has never been sat in.
Like it's never been driven.
Every button is lovely.
I've seen 60,000 mile cars that are haggard before.
It is kind of funny that it...
I guess it's how you live your life.
You could be 24 and absolutely mashed
or 28 and absolutely mashed.
Or 23 and absolutely mashed.
29.
Or 52 or 55.
But I want to know, what is it?
Why is that so...
What do you have to do to really make a car so haggard
at the same mileage?
What people actually...
How do you sort of ham-fisted?
Give up.
But it's not giving up.
It's like the say a car is three years old.
You've got one car that's at 100,000 miles
because I guess there is the motorway miles thing.
Yeah.
And you have another car that's at 20K
but it's got gob in it.
And tears and reps and...
I think that is honestly...
It's how you treat the car.
Because I've talked about it before
but my Golf, my Mark IV, I bought that on 80K miles.
I think I put 20 on to it.
And it was still as immaculate as I polished it every week.
I cleaned it every week.
I sold it to my sister.
It was ruined.
It was ruined at the end of it.
And she did do good mileage but still
there was no reason for it to be as ruined as it was.
So I think it's just how you maintain it.
It always baffles me when people...
I know that it's affording it is a different thing
and it's just a method of transport for a lot of people
but it is usually one of the,
if not the biggest purchase you'll ever make
besides maybe a house at some point in your life.
But some people treat this like a 10, 20, 30,000 pound car
as if it's like, ah, that'll get fixed.
What happens happens.
Yeah.
But yeah.
We have no more anecdotes.
There was one about an arrow which is Ben's driving
but I am actually going to relieve you of that one.
We've had a nice bit of...
Oh, okay.
We'll save it for next week.
I'm not here next week so be my guest.
Oh, we'll do it without you then.
Okay.
You can call me.
Do you actually want to FaceTime next week?
I won't pick up.
No, no, maybe.
You can call me if I'm around.
I'll pick up.
Next week's podcast is all about Ben
and it's just me and Edwin
going ripping into Ben while he's not here.
Fine.
I'm going to a beach somewhere.
Ben's going to be on a beach somewhere going,
I need to finish that edit.
They're talking about me aren't they?
No, maybe we'll have to see if we can get a guest in next week
because that's what always happens
when Ben's not here.
There's a guest here.
Yeah, Ben doesn't know that.
But that's not true.
Thank you very much.
Cavmate, he hates you.
No, I have another job I have to do.
Right.
Thank you very much for listening to the Cars Will Everything
Robbie podcast.
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About this episode
The latest episode dives into the emotional farewell to a beloved Clio, the excitement of acquiring an Audi RS6, and the thrill of a potential Ferrari project car. The hosts discuss the highs and lows of car ownership, including track day mishaps and the challenges of maintaining older vehicles. They also explore the absurdity of radio advertising and the financial implications of car values over time, while sharing humorous anecdotes about unusual car listings. The episode is filled with engaging banter and insights into the automotive world.