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No, but what I'm saying is I have no horse in this race.
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Oh, they're my eggs.
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So guys, what's your favorite breakfast meat?
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Hello and welcome back to the 48th Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast with myself,
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Edwin William to my left or your right and Ben Hamin behind the camera.
02:49
Why don't you actually interrupt me?
02:50
That's kind of crazy.
02:51
I'm so excited for the podcast.
02:54
At the beginning of every cream podcast, we ask the question,
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do cars rule or ruin everything around us?
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William, what is it today?
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I'm going to say rule.
03:05
But there is a little hint of ruin in there.
03:08
Because a car has left Casa de Chandler.
03:15
I'm actually very, very sad about it.
03:17
I do not get sad when I get rid of a car because normally I've come to that decision of,
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right, it's time to go get something else.
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I am still looking for something else.
03:25
But the Cleo, I decided of months of looking at it on the driveway and not using it,
03:29
which is the main decision that I made really, it had to go.
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And this is the perfect place to sell a car.
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Under like five grand.
03:37
You will sell a car.
03:38
You come to this unit.
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You go to Auto Alex, anyone here, you will sell that car in 24 hours.
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Someone will buy the car.
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You might need to badger that person and keep on at them.
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But I said to Taylor, I was like, would you do my Cleo?
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Shall I, shall I let everyone in on the little secret?
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People aren't going to feel bad for us after this.
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Will said to me, you know what?
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I'll get rid of it for like two and a half grand, which would be very,
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very cheap to just get it moved on.
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And I said, I'm pregnant.
04:04
You can get a bit more like I'll buy a few for two and a half grand.
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And the Taylor walked in.
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I went, Taylor, surely you want Will's car for three and a half grand.
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We talked for a while and then what he paid you three grand for it.
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He texted me that night and cause I sent him all the details and he went,
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William, that Cleo, will you sell it?
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And he offered me three grand and I said, yeah, do you know what?
04:26
And he collected it two or three days later.
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And I was actually, I had that thing where you,
04:30
when you sell a car and I went through loads of the details,
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he knew about the car, but I went through everything.
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And I was, as I was going through the details, I thought, God,
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I spent so much time on this car.
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Why am I selling it?
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I spent well over 10,000 pounds on that car.
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I've sold it for three.
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It's investment advice is not what you're here for.
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TDC is not the place to come for that.
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But other than that, it's...
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Well, actually, I don't actually know why it's a rule.
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I don't have my McGann back yet.
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Well, we have bought something quite cool, which is also quite ruining.
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Well, not yet, but it could be.
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It really could be.
05:03
It really could be.
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Do you want to tell me about it?
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We bought the Wells only turbocharged V10.
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I won't go on any longer.
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Which is, if you don't know, one of the scariest prospects for ownership.
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You will ever come across in a vehicle.
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Yes, they might be cheap and ours is exceptionally cheap.
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The video is coming soon.
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But God, just don't Google it.
05:27
We Google it and we live in fear.
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Basically, everything requires an engine out job.
05:33
An engine out job is 40 hours of labor.
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We thought it was a...
05:38
We asked LGBT and it told us that.
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We were like, yeah, pull the other one.
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No, we then spoke to RE Performance.
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They said, yeah, no, we get that way down.
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We get that on to like 30 hours.
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That's days and days.
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It's not a week, but you know, for us, that will be a week.
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We'll get out well into a week just to get it out.
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So we're just going to leave it in.
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Drive it as it is because it's in great condition.
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It's in great condition.
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What is your rule of ruin?
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It's been a week of ups and downs, but I'm in rule.
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Firstly, for the first reason, I before...
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I can't remember if I mentioned that on the last podcast,
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but I had a track day booked and I was going to go in my M3,
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which makes the logical sense.
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M3s, they are used on track all the time.
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I've driven mine on one before.
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So what I did was I brought my 100 horsepower 3 on 6i instead.
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So I took that and I had to drive it up to Anglesey,
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which is a four-hour 45-minute journey away.
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Luckily, I had some friends there.
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So I went up with some friends.
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It was fine on the way up.
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I then proceeded to beat the ever-loving piss out of this car.
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If anybody else was there,
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you would have seen me Scandinavian flicking it into Cornus
06:53
because that was the only way I could get it to do anything.
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But it was incredible fun.
06:57
And then right on the last lap,
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I was with my friend in the car and we were being dumb.
07:01
And I was literally, I was, I was going,
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and we're going to go into it.
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And as I said that, I heard,
07:07
and we both looked at each other and went,
07:10
What was that noise?
07:11
And the moment I touched the accelerator,
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I heard an earth-shattering metal clunk from the back.
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And so I just put it in neutral and rolled into the pits.
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And again, it made the noise.
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go have a look underneath the back of the car.
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And yeah, the whole diff was just smacking the subframe
07:26
because one of the diff mounts had just fallen out.
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It disintegrated and just, you know, vaporized.
07:31
So I went around the pits going to anybody that had a BMW
07:34
and said, mate, do you have interest?
07:36
Do you have an E36 differential bushing?
07:40
And obviously no one did,
07:41
but the next day we got it fixed and got it back up and working.
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But I'm very pleased.
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I'm glad I did one track day with this original engine.
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It may now get the new engine.
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He's done his work.
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But there is another piece of information.
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You know about this.
07:58
Everyone around here knows about it.
07:59
So I won't stop talking about it.
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But there is a development on the Ferrari front.
08:04
You see, we were talking in the last episodes
08:06
about wanting a Ferrari, a 550 Maranello.
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I wanted one that was crashed.
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And I said, hopefully we put the video out
08:13
and someone happens to comment who has a crashed one.
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Full well knowing no one's doing that.
08:18
And yet a man called Jeremy commented,
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not JC, commented on the video and said,
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yeah, I've got a crashed one in France unrecorded.
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It's been sick for three years.
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And I looked at it and I was like, nah, there's no way.
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I saw a reply and said send an email.
08:35
But he sent me the photo,
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which was his profile photo, which is this,
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which is a conveniently cropped.
08:41
It's quite conveniently cropped,
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but you can see there's some damage
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on a Ferrari 550 Maranello.
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Asked him for some more detail.
08:47
He literally responded to the email with that photo
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and a full photo of the V5.
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With the whole number as well.
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So I could just transfer it.
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So it's your car now.
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And it just said, you can contact me here.
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That was the only message I've replied.
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And Ben, we were in the car multiple times.
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I was getting, I replied.
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I gave him like five days.
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He hadn't responded.
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I was like, what's going on, man?
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What's happening with the car?
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And he finally responded
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and gave me some more information.
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Sent me another photo.
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It's not looking good, bruv.
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Oh, and that's oil.
09:19
That's oil and coolant and everything.
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And that's quite a crashed front.
09:23
Dip is aimed way too high.
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So for those of you that can't see,
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it is a quite well crashed Ferrari 550.
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He is still, it was crashed two years ago
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and it's still going through insurance at the moment,
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trying to get them to pay out on it.
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Because it's UK registered in France.
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But I'm speaking to him.
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And in the middle of trying to work out
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how I could sell my family members.
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Ben is up for sale, by the way.
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I have very good deal.
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I've got him on sale or return.
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You don't want that.
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So anybody that wants to buy anything of mine,
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including Ben, please, you know, I will.
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So hopefully that materializes in something.
10:03
So for that reason, it's a rule.
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That is, it's almost perfect.
10:08
But it's also really scary.
10:09
It is really scary.
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Because I've been speaking to some parts people
10:12
and the list that I was given by the owner, Jeremy,
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comes out as nearly 30,000 pounds.
10:18
So I think with the used parts, we could get that out.
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A little bit scavenging.
10:22
A little bit of YouTube trickery.
10:24
A little bit of my girlfriend literally said,
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I could go and crash into one in the UK for you to get written off.
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I said, that's not really how that works.
10:30
You'd have to like run to like Sicily or something for a year.
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And then come back afterwards.
10:37
There's no extradition over there.
10:39
They can't do that.
10:42
Well, that is exciting.
10:43
It is very exciting.
10:44
Excited at just getting photos over email.
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Jeremy, if you're listening.
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Let's get this deal going.
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I'm just dealing with cars.
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It's not actually that big of a deal.
10:59
I'm just doing maintenance bits on the X5.
11:01
It's had a wheel bearing.
11:02
So I hope that I will not die on them that way.
11:06
I think I mentioned last time it was overheating.
11:08
So I did some more testing.
11:10
Have we talked about that?
11:12
It overheated, but I said I hadn't touched it since.
11:15
That was when it was good.
11:17
So that is your 182 Clio, which you bought from Will.
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You took it to the track there.
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You had lots of fun.
11:23
Ever since then, that was in June.
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June the 20th or something like that.
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I haven't driven it since.
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It's had its belt work done, which was just maintenance.
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I didn't need that doing it.
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I didn't need it because of the track there.
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And now it has, you know, not suspension issues,
11:35
but it feels very loose.
11:38
Ben, I was going to suggest something.
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What, what say you to one night taking the trailer and the,
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uh, the tow car home, loading it up, bring it here.
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We, I don't know if you know, um,
11:52
but we have like an automotive podcast and a YouTube channel.
11:57
In fact, that we make content on sort of like fixing cars.
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You actually edit on it.
12:02
I actually think this may have featured in a very popular like
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video for roughly a million people.
12:09
If you want, you know, we're more than happy to feature.
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It might be that to be fair because,
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because the poor guy is not happy.
12:20
I did some investigation work.
12:23
It's a weird one for sure.
12:25
So you're always in Cullin,
12:26
but you don't know where it's going.
12:28
So I mean, quite very,
12:29
pretty walkie for it.
12:31
Drove the car a hundred per month.
12:32
It came from getting the,
12:33
it came from getting the belts done and it needs
12:34
alignment really badly.
12:35
So we went to America,
12:36
loads of stuff was happening.
12:38
I've been sat there, whatever.
12:39
I don't mean one of my good friends were like,
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let's go for a little,
12:43
a little blast, you know?
12:46
I got possibly a mile from my house
12:50
which was very weird.
12:51
And I said, that's odd.
12:52
Looked in it, nothing leaking.
12:54
Got quite annoyed at the car,
12:55
went back down the road
12:56
and parked it at my house.
12:57
When you say overheated,
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it got hot or it went all the way to the top?
13:01
but it would have done.
13:02
It would have gone okay.
13:05
I don't know, call it the orange.
13:07
It would have like a color thing,
13:09
it would be the orange, not the red,
13:10
but it would have gone to the red.
13:11
Anyway, parked it up.
13:14
I'll ignore this for like a week now.
13:15
A week later, it was the weekend again.
13:16
And I was like, okay, cool.
13:17
I'm gonna have a look at this car.
13:18
Went to look at the engine bay
13:19
and there was no cool in the engine bay.
13:21
Or there was a bit,
13:22
but like a lot less
13:23
and what was in there.
13:24
I thought that's great.
13:25
So I pulled onto my driveway
13:26
and I spent the next hour
13:28
and I don't know much about anything, but...
13:30
Now, one question I can't remember asking.
13:32
I think Edwin did ask this
13:33
and we'll get onto fan related issues
13:35
just after this story.
13:36
Does the fan come on?
13:40
So maybe you might just have a dicky fan.
13:41
But here's where it gets weird.
13:44
So I spent a while looking at it,
13:46
checking whether, you know,
13:47
different coolant pipes were getting hot.
13:48
Really investigation.
13:50
The reservoir no longer pressurizes,
13:53
which is kind of weird,
13:54
but and there's no,
13:55
it doesn't get hot in there.
13:57
But then a lot of other lines get hot
13:59
and the engine now doesn't overheat.
14:01
I've refilled it with coolant.
14:02
I've driven it and it doesn't overheat.
14:04
So you think, okay, maybe it's fixed itself.
14:09
It now only fires hot air into the car.
14:12
16 degrees on the climate control.
14:14
That's hot, hot air.
14:18
so all that happened is I was like, cool,
14:19
I'm going to have to take to specialist client
14:20
and I'll call about anything.
14:21
And then I looked at it about another week later
14:23
and all the coolant was still in the car.
14:25
So, so something's going on.
14:28
And these two thought it was a head gasket
14:29
and it may well could be.
14:31
It should not be now.
14:33
Because we were teasing.
14:35
It has no other symptoms.
14:37
because people are going to go, okay,
14:39
but there's no water in the car.
14:40
No, nothing leaking to the car.
14:41
There are two pipes that go into the cabin,
14:43
which is obviously where that is,
14:44
but those didn't seem wet.
14:47
the worrying thing about the whole car
14:48
is that all of the coolant lines are kind of new.
14:50
Not brand new, but they're not there.
14:53
They're upgraded guys.
14:54
I say each tenant to track car.
14:56
I think that's the solution.
14:57
That ended well last time.
14:59
Well, it's gone to a specialist now
15:00
because I don't, I don't.
15:01
And I told him the issue
15:02
and he started laughing.
15:03
Well, that's tough.
15:05
Not laughing like haha.
15:07
But I was like, oh, that's a fun one to deal with.
15:08
To be fair, he did.
15:10
He touched part of the coolant lines
15:11
when he was doing the gearbox, right?
15:14
So the only thing that obviously it's had
15:16
was have the belts done
15:17
and it had water pump change.
15:18
So, so you can blame him then.
15:20
I said to him on the phone,
15:21
you did say, I said to him,
15:22
I was like, can you check the water pump?
15:23
And he said he's never known one to go
15:25
because it's a brand new OEM part.
15:26
I said, just give him a check.
15:28
But it doesn't make any sense
15:29
because the engine doesn't overheat.
15:31
So surely the water's getting pumped around the engine.
15:36
So then I've got that on Monday.
15:38
Well, we were going to,
15:39
that was yesterday.
15:41
I almost couldn't come in today
15:42
because I was on the phone with this specialist
15:43
for the X5 being like,
15:44
please, can you finish this car quickly?
15:46
And I just thought, you know,
15:47
if you've got two cars,
15:48
there should never be a time
15:49
where you don't have a car
15:50
and it almost happened.
15:59
A bit of a long window one.
16:02
But you can't shift a dead car.
16:06
Will's just understood it.
16:07
At a great expense.
16:10
I will mention this, Ben,
16:11
and you won't like this.
16:12
I sold that car to Taylor.
16:14
But what I think is actually
16:15
a very, very good price.
16:16
It needs a couple of it sorted.
16:18
I told Ben about this.
16:20
And what did Ben say?
16:22
I'm going to be the impartial judge here.
16:26
Because I heard the word
16:27
and Ben claims to have not said the word.
16:30
Oh, I would have bought you off.
16:32
I would have bought it from you for that.
16:35
Now may the defense,
16:36
please make their case.
16:38
So I didn't say that.
16:40
Now, just as a sidebar quickly,
16:42
that doesn't tend to work in court.
16:50
I said how much you sell it clear for.
16:51
Thinking 6, 7 grand.
16:54
He spent 11,000 pounds on the car.
16:56
I thought maybe he did not lose that much.
16:58
So he goes 3 grand.
17:02
even for that price,
17:03
I might have considered it.
17:04
I might have bought it.
17:07
they'll represent these little mites and babies.
17:11
Ben should have could have wouldn't.
17:12
He is the master gaslighter.
17:14
any of you in the comments that go,
17:17
you're so mean to Ben.
17:18
Ben is the manipulated.
17:20
He's there with the strings.
17:23
But you have done that multiple times before.
17:27
you get proof and it's clear as day.
17:30
I'm going to put CCTV in this unit.
17:32
And you better keep that shit.
17:33
That's the cream live cast.
17:38
you definitely you literally said to me,
17:39
which is why surprised me so much is you said,
17:42
I would have bought that from you.
17:44
And I said to you on the spot,
17:48
had I offered it to you,
17:49
you would have said no.
17:51
might have bought it.
17:54
you would have said no.
17:56
no one knows just right because these guys don't know.
17:58
And I technically don't know because we have a,
18:01
a point of contention here.
18:03
But you two sit there and you go,
18:05
I'm going to make a point here.
18:09
I'll say it right as if like,
18:10
this is what I believe.
18:12
this is what I believe,
18:13
but also this is correct.
18:15
but what I'm saying is I have no horse in this race.
18:17
I have no reason to lie.
18:19
I heard what I heard.
18:21
And it was you saying,
18:22
I would have bought it for you.
18:23
I used to and never admit even if it was,
18:25
it was a fairly close call to this conversation.
18:28
it wasn't in another room.
18:29
I wasn't back at home.
18:32
There's Ben speaking about buying cows.
18:36
I'm not a manipulator.
18:38
I believe I said that.
18:42
I believe I said that.
18:43
I don't want you to twist this narrative.
18:45
I believe I said it.
18:49
let's just agree to disagree.
18:54
Run the fake stories.
18:56
Shall we do some news?
18:57
Let's do some news.
18:58
We've got, we actually have news.
18:59
We've got our news.
19:00
Ben has been absolutely slinging news at us.
19:03
That I didn't even know about.
19:04
Ben, you are quite the liar.
19:06
I'm slinging what I've heard.
19:08
Shall we start off with...
19:10
Is this just information of the week?
19:12
I think this is information.
19:16
Well, because also I've just been called a manipulator
19:17
in front of thousands of people.
19:19
So I need to not lie now.
19:20
It's actually tens of thousands of people.
19:23
Very popular podcast.
19:25
The McLaren collection we spoke about.
19:30
Mansour OJ's collection.
19:31
Which is mostly one colour.
19:34
When we first talked about this,
19:35
I hadn't realised that he'd passed away.
19:36
Hence why he was selling for the collection.
19:39
But yeah, the news is that the entire collection
19:43
was bought by one person.
19:46
I heard 75 million dollars.
19:49
Something around that.
19:50
That is absolutely crazy.
19:55
Can you come forward and say, was that true?
19:58
Listen, check out TDC Car Park.
20:00
There's an RS6 in there that we're scared of.
20:03
So yeah, there it is.
20:04
But that is, I keep hearing about this more and more,
20:07
but only in the last like five to ten years
20:09
is that I think cars among the super elite
20:13
are becoming more and more fashionable
20:17
or whatever you want to call it.
20:18
Because it's the same thing with the S1LM,
20:21
the Gordon Murray thing.
20:22
The same collector bought all five S1LMs.
20:25
Now, a lot of people,
20:26
I saw a lot of people being like,
20:27
ooh, they're so selfish.
20:29
He commissioned them.
20:30
It's not like Gordon Murray made them
20:33
and one guy walked in and went,
20:34
I'll have them all.
20:35
It's not like people rushing into Tesco
20:37
and buying all the PS5s and then putting them on eBay.
20:39
He said, make the PS5 form, I'll buy it.
20:42
It wasn't anything from the trolley, dear.
20:44
It was, I'll make you make the trolley
20:46
and then I'll have the entire lot.
20:48
On that Brunei energy.
20:51
I'll take them all.
20:52
But that is kind of crazy.
20:54
Also, it kind of feels like cheating.
20:56
Oh, the commissioning five is a bit odd.
20:59
Because that's what makes it sound like.
21:00
We made five, one man bought them all.
21:02
Because then you got the last bit itself.
21:04
Someone said, I've commissioned it,
21:05
but you can just make me one.
21:06
Well, I assume it is because there were five F1LMs.
21:10
So just rich people problems.
21:13
Look, there are five F1LMs.
21:16
It's going to have to be a five F1LMs.
21:20
And you're going to pay what?
21:21
Oh, is it that much?
21:22
All of the bread in the world.
21:24
Okay, we'll do that.
21:25
Completely understandable.
21:26
Should be some change left on that one.
21:28
Meanwhile, one and a half McLaren F1s.
21:30
So yeah, whoever's got that collection, top stuff.
21:33
I would like to see some of them being out and about driven.
21:35
Partly looks at it, right?
21:37
And says, now I'm no expert,
21:40
but I'm not sitting $75 million in there.
21:42
I know a big chunk of that's the F1.
21:44
I'm looking at the rest of it.
21:45
Some of this is, it's in the...
21:47
It's in the sort of like,
21:48
poor people territory of $100,000.
21:51
How many of those things there are a million?
21:53
Well, what is Speedtail?
21:56
I don't know in Elver.
21:57
I don't know how much those are.
21:59
There was one for sale at RM when we went there,
22:00
which was like three million.
22:01
No, it didn't sell for that much.
22:03
It sold real low on its estimate.
22:06
If it was in pounds,
22:07
I think it would start with a one.
22:08
Didn't it also have like four miles?
22:10
I assume these all have the same...
22:11
Let's say that's two million.
22:15
I don't know how much that is.
22:18
Call all of them two.
22:19
The McLaren F1 is 25.
22:21
Now, the McLaren F1, the thing is,
22:23
they trade behind closed doors.
22:27
they're a 25 million pound slash dollar car,
22:30
but there are definitely ones trading for far more
22:32
than that behind closed doors.
22:36
Two or three mil now?
22:40
whatever the cost is,
22:41
you then have to add the tax of,
22:42
he is part of McLaren.
22:44
These cars are the only ones in the world
22:46
that have his name on it
22:47
as opposed to McLaren badge, whatever.
22:49
You pay more because it's the collection.
22:51
Do you know what I mean?
22:53
You can buy the whole collection.
22:55
that should be at discount.
22:56
Surely I'm helping you.
23:01
What am I buying from Alibaba?
23:04
you have 100 pairs of plates.
23:05
Well, because you're buying 100,
23:06
that'll be 600,000 pounds
23:07
as opposed to 20 PE for one.
23:08
And then you buy those
23:10
you get the Tilly girl that's VAT.
23:11
Oh, I didn't look that out.
23:13
but you can have a hot dog.
23:15
Do you know what I'm there?
23:16
If it was a Costco hot dog,
23:18
But whoever's got the collection,
23:20
We want to have a go.
23:23
Just the F1 will do.
23:26
It's a bit like just 10%.
23:29
I'm going to assume
23:32
No, that's a news, mate.
23:34
That's a news, mate.
23:39
Is that what's called?
23:41
So, this is the new IX3.
23:43
when I think we mentioned it a while ago,
23:44
because it has a horrible steering wheel.
23:45
But this is now the production guy.
23:47
And it's the first Neuer.
23:51
The new design era for BMW.
23:54
And it is horrible.
23:56
I thought, you know what?
23:57
I could probably get used to the front end,
23:59
but I've just seen the rear.
24:01
I'm not getting used to that.
24:02
That is, could you will?
24:03
Do you know how that feels?
24:05
someone has sliced the new M5
24:07
down the middle and then just shut...
24:08
You know, when you slice a cake
24:09
and then you shuffle it together.
24:10
That's what they look like down that way.
24:12
Why is the badge got like a nose?
24:14
Yeah, it really does.
24:17
Someone who is American at home
24:21
For those of you that I'm watching,
24:22
have a look at the car up.
24:23
But it is a really not great looking car.
24:25
There is a Lincoln from the early 2000s
24:28
All late 2000s that shares
24:30
that sort of rear end
24:31
and looks horrible.
24:32
Why has he got the mother of all diffusers on it?
24:37
Why is it going to LeMond when it's diffuser?
24:40
So it's probably got a bit of arrow, you know.
24:42
It's got, you know,
24:43
it's got to keep that weight off the ground.
24:46
Now, tell me that that is a derivative.
24:48
They are of the same
24:50
ass feeding fish family.
24:53
That is a tough looking car.
24:55
Can we get an interior shot if possible?
24:56
Oh, please, please.
24:59
the steering wheel we mentioned before,
25:00
which for listeners is
25:02
imagine a two spoke steering wheel,
25:04
i.e. where your hands are, there's two spokes.
25:06
It's got one at the 12 o'clock mark
25:07
and one at the six o'clock mark.
25:08
So it's like a cross.
25:12
So it's literally what they did in the 90s,
25:15
They've taken a steering wheel from the 90s
25:17
and turned it 90 degrees.
25:18
I hate that screen.
25:20
Why can't it be square?
25:21
Why has it got to be...
25:23
What shape is that?
25:24
There's a trapezoid.
25:27
I think that's the sixer.
25:28
The steering wheel, I don't mind.
25:29
I quite like center console thing
25:31
because it's very simple.
25:32
But why is the screen falling over?
25:35
And then you've got another screen at the top there.
25:39
Oh, it's got a hybrid.
25:40
It's got a Nissan, not Nissan.
25:42
It's got a Prius-esque screen thing
25:44
over on the dashboard like that.
25:46
God, what's going on anymore?
25:48
Honestly, BMW looks down
25:50
when this is our new design.
25:52
This is what we're going to base everything off of
25:56
I still like the three series thing,
25:58
even with those long lights,
25:59
but the new M3 thing with T's with that.
26:03
I think that can be cool.
26:05
But if they run them out like this,
26:06
it's going to be an XM season
26:08
where everyone looks at them and goes,
26:09
you get rid of a big screen.
26:10
I think that interior would be all right.
26:14
Another common L for BMW in 2025.
26:16
Increasingly more so.
26:17
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26:33
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26:34
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26:36
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There are four pages worth of that.
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27:17
Obviously, it's not going to be instant,
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And they're not refurbished parts.
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27:45
We do need to try that out.
27:46
I've done parts on my McGann,
27:47
on French cars, on BMWs,
27:51
those huge front discs.
27:52
That came from there as well.
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We will move on to something
28:10
apparently equally as ugly.
28:12
I haven't seen it yet.
28:13
Ben has put horrible new Clio.
28:15
Now, I actually saw some comments about this.
28:17
This is the new Renault Clio
28:18
about people like in design.
28:19
I think it's horrible.
28:20
That is a new Renault Clio.
28:24
So you told me about this,
28:25
as in just before this podcast,
28:27
so I could pull the photos up.
28:28
For those of you that don't know,
28:29
it does not look Renault at all,
28:32
Let me check it now.
28:33
I feel like it's actually a badge engineered
28:35
like Nissan Pulsar or something.
28:38
A new microp perhaps?
28:40
That rear end is coming like a...
28:43
Yeah, whatever that or like one of the Nissan's.
28:47
I have got a car comparison.
28:48
I thought of when I saw it.
28:51
What does that front end remind me of?
28:54
Yeah, there's something...
28:55
So for those of you that can't see,
28:57
it's kind of like a...
28:59
BMW has been mixed with a...
29:02
Nissan mixed with a...
29:04
Just it's all different
29:06
car manufacturers rolled into one.
29:10
It's slightly over-designed.
29:11
I don't think it's that...
29:12
The generation before...
29:14
Well, I think it's the generation before
29:16
I don't think it was a good looking car anyway.
29:18
I think that looks slightly...
29:20
It's no worse than that,
29:21
but the front end's far too busy.
29:23
I don't mean to be rude,
29:25
but I've just gone on to YouTube
29:27
and it said the world premiere
29:29
of the new Renault Clio.
29:31
And this is from Group Renault on YouTube.
29:34
The video has 12,000 views
29:39
It was streamed live last night
29:43
That's how many people care about this stuff now.
29:47
That's really tough.
29:48
Can you figure it come out
29:54
But then how are they?
29:55
It's going to be an Alpine version
29:56
that's fully electric
29:57
and has 8,000 horsepower,
29:59
and no one's going to care.
30:01
It reminds me of a mixture of an MG3,
30:03
about 2016-18, that sort of era,
30:08
Yeah, it does look like a Zenvo.
30:10
In all the wrong ways.
30:12
The front end is some...
30:13
Do you know what that's what it is to me,
30:15
is that nose where it leads
30:16
right into the grill?
30:17
It looks like a G80M3,
30:18
where the nose leads directly into the grill.
30:20
But it's like they've gone...
30:22
Like you said, they've just said,
30:23
all right, all these designs,
30:24
mash it all into one.
30:26
France, that's not your vibe.
30:28
So I've just looked it up
30:29
and indeed it is part of the
30:33
which has basically every...
30:35
It is Nissan and Renault together.
30:37
It is what everything is based on now.
30:39
The Espace, the Kergera,
30:40
the Talisman, the Magan,
30:41
the Kolios, the Scenic.
30:47
the Rafale, the Kangoo.
30:48
The Espace still exists.
30:50
This was 2015 until 2023.
30:52
The Espace yet 2023 until present.
30:55
And then it's also the X-Trail,
30:56
Pulsar, the Centra, the X-Trail,
30:57
the Kashgar, the Townsar,
31:02
And the Mitsubishi Outlander
31:03
and the Mercedes-Benz Saitan.
31:06
That is all on the same platform.
31:07
Saitan is a van type thing, right?
31:09
So all of these cars are on the same.
31:10
So I assume this is kind of related then
31:13
And another shocking set of wheels on it as well.
31:16
Now, one thing I'm going to say is
31:19
when Renault has just brought back the 5
31:23
in the way that they've brought it back,
31:25
that cool looking retro thing,
31:27
you can't get away with this anymore.
31:30
That is lazy and boring.
31:32
You've done a bad job on that.
31:33
I know that it'll be like,
31:34
hey, it's fresh and cool,
31:36
but I don't know that that is.
31:37
I really hate when this is my last point on this,
31:39
but it's just reminded me.
31:40
It hurts a five door,
31:41
which I'm assuming it will be another case of
31:43
eating only by this five door.
31:46
Is when they hide the handle in that rear,
31:49
like panel, that rear quarter thing.
31:51
And then you just look like you have one very short door.
31:54
It never looks like...
31:55
Because a three door would have actual long doors.
31:58
The handle would be further back.
31:59
So why would you do that?
32:00
Just put a handle there.
32:01
We all know it's there.
32:03
and it's because less people wanted them probably.
32:04
But five doors look like ass.
32:08
But I guess they just want to sell cars.
32:11
They don't care about that.
32:12
They don't want to feature on the cream podcast.
32:13
We get, yeah, it looks nice.
32:16
If that's built on the same platform as Nissan,
32:18
Nissan has built their micro on the Renault 5,
32:23
That's what that's based on.
32:24
Or it's the other way around.
32:27
So the Renault 5 and the micro are together.
32:30
But then Renault's part of Nissan,
32:32
yo, we could all be making something good.
32:34
We could be doing lots of things.
32:36
We could get imagine.
32:39
Imagine the Renault 5, the new one,
32:42
Ben has gone to sleep.
32:43
The new Renault 5, right?
32:45
As it is to the old Renault 5.
32:48
So the new Renault 5 is a retro version.
32:53
Now imagine the new Renault Clio is a retro version
32:56
of the Mark 1 Williams.
33:00
But would you care if it was electric?
33:04
I mean, I would care.
33:05
I think it could still be cool.
33:06
But still asleep, Ben.
33:07
And you're back in the room.
33:09
What else have we got?
33:11
Slightly more interesting news.
33:12
Well, at least for possibly some.
33:17
Now, Ben, you are the resident Porsche man among us.
33:21
So Porsche have announced the newest variant
33:25
of the Turbo S, the quick boy.
33:27
I have some specs here.
33:30
Now I'm just talking about the 7.
33:31
I'm pretty sure I heard something that started.
33:34
I'm going to be honest with you.
33:36
The design is more that of a Gen 1 and 991.1Turbo S.
33:42
For those people that don't speak Porsche out there,
33:45
what does that mean?
33:48
2013-ish, that sort of time.
33:51
It looks like that.
33:52
So it looks like a better design sort of evolution.
33:55
However, I think this design they've done now
33:58
makes the front end look higher.
34:00
So if you look at that versus the pre-face lift,
34:02
the front end looks higher,
34:03
and I think it looks less aggressive.
34:04
Now, Ben, I have for a very long time
34:07
been in the camp of not all Porsches look the same.
34:12
But I'm starting to struggle
34:14
because if you showed me that and just told me
34:16
that was the new 911, I'd go,
34:20
I can tell that it's got these fishgills
34:22
on the front bumper.
34:23
Maybe I'd spot that.
34:24
Otherwise, I'm starting to really struggle with this.
34:26
Now, if you look at a 992Turbo S versus that,
34:29
you'll be able to tell a difference.
34:31
Now, this is similarly related,
34:34
but you're going into now these details.
34:36
This is what differentiates.
34:38
Can I just list specs first?
34:40
Before you attack me, can I please...
34:42
So they're now all hybrids,
34:44
but in the way that hybrids should be,
34:47
which is helping your turbos be better
34:50
and there's no like...
34:52
Yeah, you can see that.
34:54
That's just the bump.
34:56
It's a different from a bumper.
34:57
But do you see how the new one,
34:59
the front end is, it looks higher up?
35:01
Give me numbers, Ben.
35:09
It did a seven minute and three seconds
35:10
of Nurburgring, which is 14 seconds quicker
35:17
As in hybrid, it has an electric motor
35:18
assisting one of the axles or something.
35:20
Well, I think it's also for the turbos,
35:21
helping them spool up.
35:22
They have electric turbos anyway, right?
35:24
Yeah, because you did that over.
35:26
I don't know anything then.
35:27
Oh, bit of misinformation.
35:30
It's hybrid in the good way.
35:32
It's not like a plug-in,
35:34
but it might be actually,
35:35
but you don't have to plug it in.
35:38
What I mean is that the hybrid is there
35:39
for performance to enhance it.
35:41
Yeah, it's not a Prius.
35:45
and then puts it in the forecast.
35:47
Actually, there wasn't that shiny.
35:49
But now please, Will,
35:50
let's get onto something you were just talking about.
35:52
Just before I forget,
35:53
because Ben has tried to cover that one up.
35:55
So Ben is telling me that that is a completely different car
35:57
because of the gills on the front.
35:59
This is a bit different.
36:00
The gills mean that it's the .2 variant.
36:03
And this is how I saw it all week, by the way.
36:06
The C6, RS6 that we have just purchased.
36:09
We were going over some details
36:10
and some products and features.
36:12
And one of them that I remembered
36:14
from many years ago
36:15
is that the headlights,
36:17
or at least the side lights,
36:18
would you call it the daytime running lights?
36:21
have 10 LEDs in each headlight.
36:24
And the only way you can have 10 LEDs in the headlight
36:26
is if you have an S6 or an RS6.
36:28
10 lights indicating you have 10 cylinders
36:33
And Ben lost his rag.
36:37
I actually haven't seen Ben
36:39
that annoyed by something so innate.
36:43
It's the design jargon.
36:45
It doesn't mean anything.
36:46
You've just injected meaning into it.
36:47
Now, that's a better design.
36:49
I think that's better.
36:50
But you know what you do?
36:51
You just make it look better.
36:52
You haven't got to justify
36:54
well, the wheels have two more spokes
36:56
because my grandmother's
36:58
second favourite cup of tea was
37:05
we need to make the headlights look different.
37:07
what I like about that
37:08
is it's attention to detail.
37:10
They didn't have to change
37:11
their headlights at all.
37:12
They didn't have to change
37:13
their headlights at all.
37:15
feature that indicates
37:16
this is the feature?
37:17
So do you believe it was random?
37:21
God, what does that mean?
37:25
What I'm telling you,
37:26
Ben, is that you've never met
37:27
someone who's into design
37:28
because of someone who knows someone,
37:30
they will find something for everything.
37:33
Everything has a meaning.
37:34
It really does to them.
37:35
That is a that they went,
37:38
some extra dots down here
37:40
If they're more aggressive
37:41
and then they did that
37:43
I'll tell you what,
37:44
I'm going to make it give it 10
37:45
because the engine's got 10 cylinders.
37:46
That is a crazy German accent.
37:50
Just finished this RS6.
37:52
and it's the same amount of cylinders.
37:54
I don't know what it is.
37:55
It just annoyed me.
37:57
I just don't understand it.
37:59
you actually got quite violent
38:02
have been just a conversation.
38:03
I mean, we were shutting the windows
38:04
and we had to sort of...
38:06
No, I don't like it.
38:08
We had to give you some distance
38:10
You were red in the face.
38:11
Not everything like that
38:12
has to have meaning.
38:13
I don't understand why.
38:14
I don't understand.
38:17
It's LEDs on a headlight.
38:18
You haven't got to pretend
38:20
of the amount of cylinders.
38:21
Just say you want 10
38:22
because it looked cool.
38:24
But why would it be 10?
38:25
That's my question to you.
38:27
Why wouldn't it be 30?
38:29
Because they would have...
38:30
But it's a design thing.
38:31
It's nothing to do with V10.
38:32
They'd probably inject the meaning
38:33
into it afterwards,
38:35
No, I don't think it's an accident.
38:37
I'm going to draw this
38:38
and then they went,
38:39
oh, it's kind of like the engine.
38:40
Design out of the Audi RS6,
38:43
I'm happy to be wrong on this,
38:45
Well, they'll just claim
38:46
that they did from the start.
38:47
The X5 and the Mini
38:48
needs his royalties.
38:50
I'm going to start by
38:51
blowing up Ben and his tiny mind.
38:54
There will be so many comments
38:56
on your guys' side.
38:58
I'm happy to have my opinion.
38:59
No, there's going to be people
39:02
A lot of car designs to talk.
39:05
Joey, it's Remnant of Jag.
39:07
That's what it got to me.
39:08
Yeah, because they get...
39:12
It's reminiscent of the sky,
39:14
which shows the infinite possibilities.
39:16
That's what I mean.
39:17
That was quite good.
39:21
But that's not the same as...
39:23
We'll agree to disagree
39:24
that you are completely
39:25
and absolutely wrong.
39:27
I'm not denying it's a cool feature.
39:29
It's such a minor part.
39:30
Also, these two got sucked
39:32
They both started...
39:34
ganging up on me this time.
39:35
We were not excited by it.
39:40
oh, that's not cool.
39:43
Why would we do that?
39:48
I don't like that really.
39:50
And then you turned on me
39:51
and it became quite...
39:52
Gaslighting Ben is back.
39:54
Surely we have the raw footage.
39:56
If we have the raw footage
39:57
of going through it,
39:58
we'll put it up in it.
39:59
I think actually...
40:00
Ben will have cut that.
40:01
No, I actually think
40:02
we deleted that footage.
40:03
My laptop is right now
40:07
Would you like to move on?
40:08
Would you like to redeem yourself?
40:09
I'm not gaslighting you, man.
40:10
Would you like to redeem yourself?
40:13
Can you please tell me
40:14
what's been announced today?
40:16
because I saw it was being announced today.
40:17
So, we can have a live look.
40:19
I'm going to do that right now.
40:20
I'm going to talk about it.
40:21
You talk about something else.
40:23
It's not flagship, is it?
40:24
It's the sort of flagship Ferrari.
40:25
I think it was flagship.
40:27
It's not the most powerful
40:29
It's been out for a few years.
40:30
I thought it was brand new to be fair.
40:31
I don't understand Ferrari at all.
40:33
Nothing has been announced
40:34
there in the news field.
40:37
So, there's meant to be a replacement
40:44
I'm deleting all my social media.
40:45
There's no point of me.
40:47
So, it will be unveiled 8.15 CEST.
40:51
Is that central time?
40:52
That's like three minutes.
40:56
It's in three minutes.
40:58
So, if we keep talking about it
40:59
for three minutes...
41:01
It's 7.12 pm right now.
41:02
What does the red represent
41:05
My favorite meat is pepperonis.
41:08
And because of that,
41:09
I've made my car red.
41:10
Well, actually what I did
41:11
was I colored it in red.
41:14
And now, do you know what the stem's from?
41:15
The stem's from Ben Not Dreaming.
41:19
If Ben, you know what?
41:20
I've just clicked on Ferrari's YouTube channel
41:21
and we have got a video named...
41:24
Now, this is quite big news.
41:25
Everybody's watched this.
41:26
I've found this out weeks ago.
41:28
Welcome the Ferrari 849 Testerossa.
41:33
Now, this is quite cool.
41:34
So, is that Testerossa with a space?
41:37
Now, didn't they have to get
41:40
because the owner of that was a model car company.
41:43
Because there was something around that
41:45
they hadn't used it in so many years.
41:48
So, the name kind of became open season.
41:50
But you can't just go,
41:51
I'm going to have the name Testerossa.
41:53
But I'm not going to do anything with it.
41:54
So, I'm going to click play.
41:55
This is a genuine live reaction to this.
41:57
There's a Ferrari...
41:58
I just want to let you know
41:59
this falls under fair use
42:00
where we're reacting to it.
42:01
Yeah, we're reacting to it.
42:02
There's going to be two faces in the corner.
42:03
Now, what are we talking about here?
42:06
So, this is a 296 replacement.
42:07
So, I'm going to assume
42:08
it's going to be based on the same thing.
42:11
Oh, SF90 apologies.
42:12
Please accept my apologies on this.
42:19
That's a small SP3.
42:20
It's a small SP3 slash F80.
42:23
What is it like an F40?
42:29
I'm going to swing.
42:31
It will hit you surely.
42:32
No, but SF90 didn't, right?
42:33
Well, can you use the answer
42:34
and just see the final reveal?
42:35
I don't like any of this.
42:36
I just want to see the car.
42:37
I don't like this design.
42:41
I really like that.
42:44
I like the shape of it.
42:46
but I don't like the monobrow it's got.
42:48
You don't like that?
42:50
It looks like it's frowning.
42:51
That's what's going on.
42:53
I'm pulling up on Ferrari's doorstep
42:55
to get some information.
42:56
I'm going to say it's got a V6.
42:59
It has got a max power output
43:05
which is I think in PS like 980.
43:08
It's about the same as the SF90.
43:09
It is 0-60 in 2.3 seconds.
43:13
But it has a convenient number
43:14
just after the turbo s has come out.
43:18
That was 2.5 yesterday.
43:20
Then the turbo s came out.
43:21
They went, it had changed.
43:22
Why in the name of all that is holy?
43:26
Have you held that?
43:30
Why have you made that?
43:32
Wait, why is that a V8?
43:34
And your flagship multimillion pound car is a V6.
43:37
Yeah, that's crazy.
43:39
That's really, really crazy.
43:40
Now, oh, I like this a lot.
43:42
Now, I know this is going to be a little bit old hat
43:44
to a lot of you listening.
43:45
You might have heard this.
43:46
You might have seen it on Instagram right now.
43:47
But this came out three minutes ago for us.
43:49
So I'm not a fan of that spec,
43:53
it's a little bit slab sided, I think.
43:56
It doesn't, it doesn't have any,
43:58
That's just a line up the side.
43:59
Also, that's just an SF90, that roofline.
44:01
What does that mean?
44:02
What it needs it for those of you listening,
44:04
if you haven't seen it yet,
44:05
it does look a little bit test rosary,
44:07
but more with like a 458 roof.
44:10
It's kind of a slopey down roof,
44:11
but it doesn't have the strikes up the side.
44:14
That I think is what's missing for that.
44:16
Because the SP3 Daytona does.
44:18
It does have that, yeah.
44:19
Which is, I think that's good.
44:23
I think that's good.
44:24
It's mini FAT slash SP3.
44:27
I think it's a good thing.
44:28
But again, the sides of it,
44:30
I don't know why that.
44:31
That is, you're very right.
44:32
That is just a block on the side.
44:34
And perhaps there's a reason for that.
44:36
And the flat door represents the flat plane
44:41
that you can drive at 300,000 miles an hour.
44:45
It represents the flat V12,
44:46
which isn't in the tester on this car,
44:48
Or is it perhaps because the man had a pen
44:50
and thought, I'm going to draw this.
44:52
He was bored in Italy
44:53
and couldn't be bothered to design anything.
44:55
I'm going to be real.
44:57
The tester or some name,
44:58
I don't think belongs here.
44:59
I can kind of agree.
45:00
But I do like this.
45:01
I think this is cool.
45:05
They did to be fair for a long time.
45:08
That's GTA Ferrari.
45:12
I kind of understand it.
45:16
I like the shape of it.
45:17
I like the rear of it.
45:20
Live breaking news on the cream podcast.
45:22
We need to get one of those things
45:23
that rolls across the screen.
45:26
Just in the 849 is called the tester.
45:28
We're going to get more from Edwin here.
45:34
But I think calling it a tester
45:35
also not having also very design
45:37
elements because for those of you
45:38
listening and you can't see,
45:39
we have outrun to coast to coast
45:42
We've got Ferrari's galore.
45:43
Do you have any more information
45:45
on the 911 turbo that I should know
45:48
You didn't care enough.
45:49
So I'm not going to lovely.
45:50
All we go is it just that you
46:00
Shall we get on some anecdotes?
46:01
Let's get a lot of news.
46:02
We've got a lot of news.
46:04
First one you've put in here
46:06
Can we connect just because
46:07
I have it on my screen.
46:08
It keeps making me laugh.
46:09
I just need to get it over
46:13
So now this was sent in
46:18
I didn't actually have a name
46:20
on your Instagram, but it said
46:22
Oh, this is sent in
46:23
by the local BP garage,
46:24
which is very cold drinks.
46:26
We're always thankful for it.
46:29
Now he sent a link to you.
46:31
This is we've kind of
46:32
explained it before on the
46:33
podcast, but we have
46:34
don't laugh, which is you
46:36
see something funny.
46:37
You take a photo of it or
46:38
you tell the person,
46:39
you mustn't laugh at this.
46:42
You point it out to them
46:43
and they have to try not to
46:45
This was one of those
46:48
what did they say to you on
46:50
They just said basically
46:51
long time creamer thought
46:52
you'd find this funny
46:53
auto trader link and I
46:54
almost went past it.
46:55
I thought it's going to be,
46:57
I don't know, a silly car
46:58
that won't be that funny.
46:59
And I thought, you know
47:00
what, our curiosity,
47:02
And I opened an auto trader
47:03
link with a single photo
47:05
for a Saab and it was this.
47:07
for the audio views,
47:08
we will explore with it.
47:10
Just for the visual views,
47:16
So for the audio listeners,
47:23
It's got 96,000 miles.
47:26
It has just one photo
47:34
looks looks like a lovely
47:37
We've got a really nice plate
47:43
Also, why are the egg yolks
47:46
So we've got some steaks
47:47
on a plate with some eggs
47:48
and some lovely pepper.
47:49
And George, George,
47:50
should we just give a little
47:52
sort of half points to the plate as well?
47:54
Yeah, no, that's not what I'm saying.
47:56
The plate is lovely as well.
47:57
Sort of marble top there.
48:00
absolutely cackled at this
48:02
for quite some time.
48:03
It's the only photo.
48:04
I was at home editing yesterday.
48:09
But unfortunately today
48:11
we clicked on the link
48:12
and it's now an actual Saab
48:15
It's quite disappointingly.
48:18
It has many photos.
48:19
That's lots of them.
48:21
But luckily, Ben took a screenshot.
48:23
But what made me laugh even more?
48:24
Is that it's a dealer?
48:26
It's like a van sales company.
48:27
He does it day in, day out
48:28
and went, screw it, have an egg.
48:30
He's going through.
48:31
No, no interest on that Saab.
48:35
Oh, they're my eggs.
48:36
Also, it's available to reserve now.
48:38
So you could just online.
48:39
You can press reserve now
48:41
We debated very briefly about just
48:43
just buying the car.
48:45
No matter what it was,
48:46
no matter how bad it was
48:49
and do we get the egg?
48:51
Can if we buy this car,
48:52
rigging them up saying,
48:53
look, I'm interested in the Saab
48:55
I would like a plate of steak
48:57
and eggs cooked in the same way
48:59
with the same format.
49:01
I want to be served at the same place.
49:04
I'll pay you for asking.
49:06
My knock you down a bit.
49:11
These aren't the eggs.
49:13
These eggs are really not cut.
49:14
What are the context?
49:18
It's not an easy accident to make.
49:20
First things first.
49:21
Please, you creamers.
49:23
Don't go contacting them.
49:24
I know that it says their thing there.
49:26
It's not funny to do it.
49:27
Ironically, not funny.
49:28
Don't mess with someone's business.
49:29
But it's funny to look at it.
49:31
guys, I found out what they were doing.
49:32
Don't leave him alive.
49:33
And they've changed it now.
49:35
You just tried to, you know,
49:36
upload pictures of a Saab
49:38
and he uploaded one picture
49:41
was the person that sent it to you?
49:43
The person that owns
49:44
the garage and gone,
49:45
right, I know how to
49:46
drum up some interest on the Saab.
49:48
Marketing and getting cream to go,
49:50
everyone look at the Saab.
49:51
I wouldn't like that as much.
49:53
If you are looking to sell
49:54
a reasonably priced performance
49:56
automobile or an auto trader,
49:59
with a picture of an egg
50:00
or something funny.
50:06
Also a quite clear distinction
50:08
between news of cream
50:10
and anecdotes of cream.
50:13
of cars being released.
50:14
The other one is of an egg.
50:15
So that's that's our egg-related
50:18
I don't think that will be beaten
50:20
So one of the anecdotes
50:22
you've put in here, Edwin,
50:23
is James Bond in traffic.
50:25
Now, this was a thought
50:27
I had the other day.
50:29
if I'm honest, completely a name.
50:31
But I thought, you know,
50:32
you know in James Bond,
50:35
you know, he has revealed
50:40
we call it the vanish.
50:43
you must now drive to
50:45
Austria to stop the man
50:49
He's sitting in traffic.
50:51
Like there are points where James
50:52
Bond, he's sitting at the
50:55
mate, your ticket's been
50:56
delayed till five 15.
50:59
This is what I mean.
51:00
In the, in the movie,
51:03
cause I was watching James Bond,
51:05
I'll be there in a moment.
51:06
And then it cuts to him
51:07
pulling up at the swanky
51:09
It doesn't show him sitting
51:11
He can't go around that.
51:13
Well, there is a few,
51:15
I think it's tomorrow never
51:18
I think it is where he's driving.
51:19
I can absolutely ask on the
51:22
It's just in London.
51:23
I want to say it's actually in
51:25
I'm fairly sure there's going
51:26
to be some nerds out there
51:28
but he's driving in London
51:29
and he's probably just like
51:30
just going to meet M
51:31
somewhere or whatever.
51:32
And he's just absolutely
51:33
slunking it around on the
51:35
So like, well, yeah,
51:36
I know you're James Bond,
51:39
let's calm it down a bit.
51:40
I don't like just to kill.
51:43
And that means collateral damage
51:44
to his pedestrians and everything.
51:47
But I just bond in traffic
51:48
getting frustrated at,
51:49
you know, seeing the red bit
51:51
Does he does he get onto
51:52
the channel tunnel?
51:56
please open your sunroof.
51:57
That's your handbrake on.
51:59
did he lean back in a seat
52:01
get a bit of kit for a bit?
52:02
Is James Bond sitting there
52:04
Go go and kill a dude with
52:07
Do you think it's road rage
52:09
Because he might have the
52:11
He is aggressive and X5 pulls
52:12
out in front of him.
52:16
I blocked a secret agent.
52:19
Turns out he wasn't a doctor.
52:28
I would quite like to see that.
52:29
There is actually there is
52:30
one piece of traffic in a
52:32
I think it's skyfall.
52:33
Whether they're in the XJ.
52:36
It's not James Bond.
52:38
I don't know who I am.
52:39
And then am I whatever number it is?
52:42
So that's why it's impossible.
52:43
That's why you don't wait for
52:44
traffic because if he does,
52:45
serious stuff happens.
52:46
And my phone blows up.
52:48
That was a reminder to me.
52:49
When I saw that in there,
52:50
I was like, is this about
52:51
someone you've spotted with a
52:52
number plate because I saw
52:53
someone with a stupid number
52:55
I'm actually, I'm going to
52:57
I'm going to have to do
52:58
otherwise I can't tell them.
52:59
It's a Jaguar I-Pace I
53:00
saw in traffic and his
53:07
I'll let you figure out what that
53:08
and how that's formed.
53:09
No shade to anyone called
53:10
the, I'm called Edwin after all.
53:11
It's not the most swanky sounding
53:13
name, but no one in MI5
53:17
Let's say his name is H is
53:24
He rocks up to his business
53:26
It's five miles away.
53:30
Quick, chase that man.
53:32
I've got five miles range.
53:35
It's not even Aston.
53:37
I didn't get a glimpse at the man
53:39
I do believe anyone with it.
53:40
I don't care if it's,
53:41
I don't care if you're driving
53:42
James Bond himself's
53:44
DB5, the one that went,
53:46
I don't care what it is.
53:47
If you have a 007 plate,
53:52
You are equally as,
53:54
you're on the complete opposite
53:55
ends of the spectrum.
53:56
Those are two humans that do
53:58
But you're essentially the same.
54:01
You're the CEO of the circus
54:04
If it's boss and you've done it
54:07
Feel free to crash a car into a
54:10
No, no, but you're going to
54:13
But when they run out and
54:14
your initials aren't the rest
54:15
of it, people go BD.
54:16
That means you're not even the
54:19
I'm the bus of this place.
54:22
If you've got that plate,
54:25
Just don't listen to podcast.
54:26
What else have we got?
54:27
What else have we got?
54:28
Oh, Ben, you've put in here
54:30
I believe this follows on from
54:32
This is more of more of you
54:34
It's going to be interesting
54:39
I don't know what you're doing.
54:40
I think recently, basically,
54:41
I've just got on your phone
54:42
so I haven't connected my Bluetooth
54:44
So I've been listening to the
54:47
And it made me realize who in
54:48
God's name is listening to the
54:50
And that because we do YouTube
54:51
and whatever else we thought,
54:52
right, what are the viewing
54:54
And they were just,
54:55
it was, well, it's just made
54:57
One of them claimed that
54:58
there are, I can't remember
54:59
what the numbers were, but
55:00
let's say it was like,
55:01
there are 35 million adults
55:03
33 million people listen to the
55:07
We literally thought, right, so
55:08
the three of us are the only
55:09
people that don't listen to the
55:11
But like my family don't listen
55:14
My friends, I don't think
55:15
listen to the radio.
55:16
Do you know what I think it
55:18
I think it's that every time
55:19
you get in the car, let's say
55:20
the radio automatically comes
55:22
And you go, I'll turn that
55:24
I'm going to go to Bluetooth
55:26
Or maybe like the radio is
55:27
just playing in the background
55:28
somewhere and they go,
55:32
I know your man texted and
55:35
says, keep the tunes coming to
55:37
Now, I know it's rich from us
55:39
with the dross that we speak.
55:41
You know, this podcast is
55:42
absolute clown bait.
55:43
But at the same time, Ben and
55:45
I were stuck in the 36 and my
55:46
Bluetooth dongle died on the
55:50
the 205 and we were
55:54
upwards of an hour and a half
55:56
so guys, what's your
55:58
favorite breakfast meat?
56:02
Like what are we doing?
56:06
I think it's radio one.
56:07
Also, I just don't like,
56:08
I don't like why have I got to
56:10
Want to go, right, tune into
56:11
97.45 and you're going to get
56:15
Also, here's one for you.
56:16
If I'm listening to it,
56:18
Also, if I drive up the
56:19
country, I can't get it
56:21
I know DAB and stuff.
56:22
But anyway, I was listening to
56:23
one and they were like,
56:24
are we looking for people
56:26
And they went on LinkedIn
56:27
and found a man called
56:28
Vubbo who was exceptionally
56:33
I thought, what is this?
56:34
I mean, I was listening.
56:35
I was actually quite hooked by it.
56:39
Your whole argument falls apart
56:40
because you were engaging with
56:42
But I was like, but also
56:43
if I had an option to change
56:45
because I couldn't have time,
56:46
you know, Will's next button.
56:49
What am I doing here?
56:50
But then you get into that
56:51
thing where I'm starting to
56:53
I don't know where I am.
56:54
But then I'm listening to
56:56
Or I'm listening to
56:59
I'll tell you what,
57:00
as a joke of the track day,
57:04
You know, I was smooth.
57:05
I'll tell you what, I was smooth.
57:06
So you got smoother with
57:07
what is the smoothest
57:09
It's got to be Radio 4.
57:13
My question is why is it right?
57:15
allegedly every adult in the
57:16
UK is listening to that
57:18
Every one you know.
57:19
And that's not even including
57:20
like kids on the bus
57:21
on the way to school
57:22
listen to it as well.
57:23
That's everyone in the country
57:24
listening to this, right?
57:25
Why is it I can't get it
57:26
but I could be on an island
57:28
in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
57:29
I get class KFM is always
57:31
you're always scared.
57:32
So people are on holiday.
57:33
They're saying that all these
57:34
people listen to them.
57:35
Not all these people are in
57:36
the country at the same time.
57:37
We're going abroad and just
57:38
listening to the plane.
57:39
Some Americans come to the UK
57:41
to visit and they're
57:43
Who listens to the radio?
57:44
Old people listen to the
57:46
radio and they just leave it
57:47
on until they fall asleep.
57:51
Which is still old people.
57:53
Sort of old people.
57:55
Who else is listening to the radio?
57:57
Purely by accident.
57:59
I don't think it's 30 million
58:01
Chuck in some shops.
58:04
We can't just go and play our
58:06
YouTube videos in shops
58:07
and save you 30 million views.
58:09
Well that's where that because
58:10
so when I used to get a bus
58:11
to school when I was younger
58:12
and they always had
58:13
KISS FM on the bus.
58:15
And are you counting the
58:16
30 people on that bus
58:17
as listening to it?
58:18
Because I'm involuntarily
58:20
You know what I mean?
58:21
If you're watching on the
58:23
the person next to you
58:24
looks over your shoulder
58:25
is not watching the video.
58:28
where they were like,
58:29
right, let's we got to work
58:30
out how many people listen to
58:32
They go, okay, here are the
58:34
And then someone went,
58:35
yeah, but there's people on
58:36
the bus and there's people
58:37
at the shopping center.
58:38
There's people here
58:39
and someone just went
58:40
just stick them all on it
58:43
literally everyone.
58:44
I don't trust radio
58:46
And I don't know who
58:49
eternally frustrating.
58:54
the technology behind it.
58:57
No, but like, okay, so YouTube,
59:01
Everyone's log into
59:02
what's the video so you can
59:03
count it quite easily.
59:04
Radio, you're coming over
59:06
How do you know I'm
59:11
But I mean, how do you
59:15
They're just going,
59:16
yo, 57 million people
59:19
I don't know anything
59:20
about anything, but it's
59:21
they're just they're
59:22
going, it's going out into
59:23
the ether and then you're
59:24
you're you're you're
59:25
you're hooking on and
59:26
you're listening to it.
59:27
I want to take a leaf out
59:29
Congratulations on cream
59:30
for being the most listened
59:31
to podcast on earth.
59:34
Rogan and whoever else does
59:36
We have had a concurrent
59:37
17 billion people listening
59:39
to this podcast, which is
59:41
crazy dead and alive.
59:42
Everyone to ever exist.
59:45
There has to be at least
59:46
60 million viewers.
59:49
So how many people in the
59:51
I'm going to do a shortcut
59:54
I think it's 10 million
59:55
people who like cars in the
59:58
But how many people have
00:04
So they know what cars
00:07
Take some kids off that
00:08
add in the animals.
00:11
That's 120 million.
00:22
it's three million pounds.
00:23
I'm real sorry about that.
00:25
Moving on from radio rambles.
00:27
Ben, you've also put in here
00:29
the financial crisis prices.
00:31
I thought this was a post
00:32
from Instagram from someone.
00:34
Somebody made a post
00:36
They know something.
00:37
They know something about
00:39
And this was so in 2008,
00:40
there was a financial crisis.
00:41
You may know about it
00:43
I heard it on radio, I think.
00:48
I had a lot of money
00:49
and a lot of people
00:51
and I'm not having very
00:52
much money in the end.
00:54
had to get rid of their cars.
00:56
So I have some prices
00:57
for cars that sold in 2008.
01:00
other videographer J sent
01:02
and I was actually saddened.
01:04
I would run for a few
01:05
How old were you in 2008?
01:06
Just I would have been
01:09
what I would recommend
01:12
you should have bought
01:14
You should have been
01:15
I shouldn't have been
01:19
It makes a lot of sense.
01:20
I'll tell you what,
01:21
the green one was the best one.
01:22
That tasted the most.
01:33
Was it less than that?
01:34
Also the right hand drive
01:36
that's the Brunnery car.
01:39
obviously a rich guy
01:41
that has, you know,
01:43
on the old stock market.
01:47
all of them were listed
01:49
all of those together.
01:52
A little bundle deal.
01:56
Sorry, I missed that number.
02:02
the Enzo is now worth
02:04
I think is the beginning
02:13
This is all dollars,
02:16
They are like minimum
02:19
who these garage I think
02:26
Now, I want to know
02:27
the video of that car
02:29
I really want to know
02:30
where that car is now
02:31
because it seems to have
02:32
disappeared off the face
02:34
That car is special.
02:36
F50 with twin turbos.
02:47
kind of tracks, actually,
02:50
would have been roughly
02:51
when I saw that one.
02:52
I think I've mentioned it
02:54
I saw one at Maranello
02:56
The price in the window
02:58
Did you say he bought
03:03
But you didn't buy it.
03:05
it was a great time.
03:06
He made a better offer.
03:08
you should have gone with
03:13
stole and, you know,
03:14
sort of have this chrome dust
03:17
Brackets actually true.
03:23
That's a tough one.
03:24
That's a really tough one.
03:25
I have a few more here.
03:32
maybe not on my age then
03:33
because I would have been
03:37
I know that's still
03:42
but now it's not happening.
03:44
Sort of the GDP of a
03:49
would that be 27 million?
03:50
That's probably like half
03:51
the amount of people
03:52
that listen to Radio 1.
03:56
If Radio 1 donated a pound,
03:57
we might be able to,
03:58
we could get like two F1s.
04:08
Lawyers said we couldn't
04:09
name our new burger,
04:11
that lost price burger.
04:15
The new Cali XL burger.
04:20
with double cheese,
04:23
not more expensive.
04:26
for a limited time,
04:29
Available for a limited time
04:30
at participating restaurants.
04:35
with any other offer
04:42
we should have been investing.
04:45
what do you think, Ben?
04:48
is going to be that right now
04:56
where you look back
05:01
I think it would be
05:10
is going to be eggs
05:17
like storing it would be
05:24
So the stock is going up.
05:32
is going to be up there.
05:36
don't worry about that.
05:37
They're not going anywhere.
05:40
Because I think when,
05:41
when we're all driving
05:43
and washing machines around,
05:45
and it's not because I have any
05:47
I think it's because I actually
05:55
because there will just be
05:56
this thing where everyone's
06:01
do you remember when they
06:02
just made them so good
06:03
when they were great?
06:08
it's where people look past
06:09
any problem they have.
06:12
and it's not when they're
06:14
it's not when they're 10,
06:17
It's when they're 30,
06:20
If you look at when things
06:22
when they weren't that old,
06:24
oh, it doesn't drive that
06:27
Richard Hammond thing,
06:28
we says the front end goes
06:30
no one gives a toss
06:31
about any of that now.
06:32
They just want the mirror.
06:33
Same as in Mercy Lago,
06:35
any issue that car might
06:36
have had when it was
06:37
they just lose that.
06:38
And that's why I think that
06:42
because there'll be tons
06:43
of M5s that are not
06:44
maintained very well.
06:45
So there'll just be those
06:48
So finding a good one
06:50
that's been looked after,
06:51
it won't even matter
06:52
what gearbox it's got.
06:54
Someone's going to go,
06:59
get us with an offer.
07:00
We'll take the 200,000
07:05
really, really good.
07:07
Maybe the first one.
07:16
that is the BMW E39 M5.
07:19
Where if you say M5
07:21
even though it's not
07:22
the one that I want the most,
07:32
Will's selling his there,
07:33
Cleo lost there today.
07:37
I thought about that.
07:38
If I kept that car long enough,
07:39
it would be worth good money
07:41
I don't think we can actually
07:44
the unit the other day.
07:47
Really quite annoyed
07:49
But a trophy again,
07:51
That's what I'm sitting on mine.
07:53
system I've put away
07:55
People want them silver
07:56
ones with no service history,
07:59
But even that to be fair,
08:01
the service history thing
08:02
when car gets to an age,
08:07
It's fetching two grand.
08:09
who let us drive the M5
08:11
at bringing a 172 to the US.
08:19
Did we have anything else
08:21
All my phone is not coming
08:24
We've got SAR bags.
08:27
I also put egg in here
08:28
again for some reason.
08:30
This was a question
08:31
you had before the podcast,
08:33
asked me, I was sat in that room over there and I quickly shouted at him,
08:37
do not speak, we'll have a podcast.
08:38
Yeah. Now it came about, the first question was,
08:42
how many miles do we think we would have as humans?
08:45
I didn't realise that was a dumb question.
08:46
But then realised, what is like the at what is?
08:49
Well, it's quite quite interesting.
08:50
Thought experiment.
08:53
But what is the average mileage a car dies at?
08:56
You know, we're talking like humans where, you know, life expectancy is ever increasing.
09:00
Is life expectancy of a car ever increasing?
09:03
I always think this, when I speak to people who aren't into cars,
09:07
there seems to be a belief that once a car hits a hundred thousand miles,
09:12
it's old and like, I should get rid of this car.
09:16
Which is funny, because then you like, the RS6 has got 117K on it and we're like,
09:23
that's like one of the lowest mileage cars we've bought.
09:25
We're on borrowed time, according to other people.
09:28
But yeah, I think that's 100K is like the mark of, oh no.
09:32
Once we go past that six-wigger,
09:33
I'd better start looking for a replacement for this car now.
09:36
I think it depends country to country as well.
09:38
In the US, they say 100,000 miles and go,
09:40
Oh, just broken in.
09:41
Just broken in, buddy.
09:42
God, because they do more driving, we don't.
09:44
So if you've got 100,000 miles on your micro, God.
09:47
No, I think it's about, I think it's what people do to it.
09:51
I think it could go longer, but put together up.
09:54
I think it's 120,000.
09:56
I think it's 150, I think you're thinking about retirement,
10:00
you're looking at a pension about 100K.
10:01
125, you're packing in the job, you're retired, and then 150, you're dead.
10:10
120 is actually in my head, I think, because I see cars for sale very often at 120.
10:16
Because you've just surpassed 100, you might have done a year or two or more driving,
10:20
but you're not willing to take it into that.
10:22
Because also there's the...
10:23
You're getting into the next batch of big maintenance.
10:27
And then once you get to like 180, people just ride it through.
10:30
Like 180 to 300, you're just going.
10:33
And people will live with that car and they'll keep it going.
10:35
Realistically, the second 100,000 miles, it's your second wind.
10:38
As long as you get your cam belt or your chain or whatever it is done,
10:41
you're like, yeah, I'm on life too.
10:43
You've broken the sale.
10:45
So you're ready to go all night.
10:46
I'm just new again.
10:48
Never mind the bushes.
10:50
We're carrying on, despite any of that.
10:53
But I say 120, which means your X5 is...
11:02
Do you know what's funny?
11:03
But you are in the afterlife right now.
11:06
I don't want to say anything because I want to get home later,
11:08
so I'm just going to carry on.
11:10
At this weekend, I went to an auction with my friend
11:12
and indirectly bullied him into buying me 36.
11:16
He went to register for bidding.
11:18
Had no intention of bidding on the car.
11:20
I looked at it in the car and went,
11:21
this car is really nice.
11:23
I'd buy this, if I were you, which I knew would work.
11:26
He went to register to bid.
11:27
I said, I'm going to go to the toilet.
11:28
When I walked out of the toilet, he went, I've bought it.
11:32
Anyway, in the time you went to the toilet,
11:34
she had the view of my bidding card
11:36
and the car popped up and the guy said,
11:40
He put his card up.
11:42
He said, okay, two, four, I sold.
11:45
And I was like, oh no, where is it?
11:47
I haven't seen it yet.
11:49
So when I looked at the car and it is the most immaculate...
11:52
The most immaculate E36 I've ever seen, 60,000 miles.
11:56
But 60,000 miles isn't a small amount of miles.
11:59
This car looks like it has never been sat in.
12:01
Like it's never been driven.
12:02
Every button is lovely.
12:04
I've seen 60,000 mile cars that are haggard before.
12:07
It is kind of funny that it...
12:09
I guess it's how you live your life.
12:10
You could be 24 and absolutely mashed
12:13
or 28 and absolutely mashed.
12:15
Or 23 and absolutely mashed.
12:22
But I want to know, what is it?
12:24
What do you have to do to really make a car so haggard
12:27
at the same mileage?
12:29
What people actually...
12:30
How do you sort of ham-fisted?
12:32
But it's not giving up.
12:33
It's like the say a car is three years old.
12:35
You've got one car that's at 100,000 miles
12:37
because I guess there is the motorway miles thing.
12:40
And you have another car that's at 20K
12:42
but it's got gob in it.
12:44
And tears and reps and...
12:47
I think that is honestly...
12:48
It's how you treat the car.
12:50
Because I've talked about it before
12:51
but my Golf, my Mark IV, I bought that on 80K miles.
12:54
I think I put 20 on to it.
12:56
And it was still as immaculate as I polished it every week.
12:58
I cleaned it every week.
13:00
I sold it to my sister.
13:02
It was ruined at the end of it.
13:03
And she did do good mileage but still
13:06
there was no reason for it to be as ruined as it was.
13:08
So I think it's just how you maintain it.
13:10
It always baffles me when people...
13:12
I know that it's affording it is a different thing
13:15
and it's just a method of transport for a lot of people
13:17
but it is usually one of the,
13:18
if not the biggest purchase you'll ever make
13:20
besides maybe a house at some point in your life.
13:23
But some people treat this like a 10, 20, 30,000 pound car
13:27
as if it's like, ah, that'll get fixed.
13:29
What happens happens.
13:32
We have no more anecdotes.
13:33
There was one about an arrow which is Ben's driving
13:36
but I am actually going to relieve you of that one.
13:39
We've had a nice bit of...
13:41
We'll save it for next week.
13:43
I'm not here next week so be my guest.
13:45
Oh, we'll do it without you then.
13:49
Do you actually want to FaceTime next week?
13:52
You can call me if I'm around.
13:54
Next week's podcast is all about Ben
13:55
and it's just me and Edwin
13:57
going ripping into Ben while he's not here.
14:00
I'm going to a beach somewhere.
14:02
Ben's going to be on a beach somewhere going,
14:04
I need to finish that edit.
14:06
They're talking about me aren't they?
14:08
No, maybe we'll have to see if we can get a guest in next week
14:13
because that's what always happens
14:14
when Ben's not here.
14:15
There's a guest here.
14:15
Yeah, Ben doesn't know that.
14:17
But that's not true.
14:18
Thank you very much.
14:19
Cavmate, he hates you.
14:20
No, I have another job I have to do.
14:23
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