C.R.E.A.M. #83 - Ben's Bristol Battle, Our Debut Album and VW's Secret Supercar
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C.R.E.A.M. #83 - Ben's Bristol Battle, Our Debut Album and VW's Secret Supercar
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Term
MOT
MOT is a UK inspection your car has to pass to be allowed on the road. It checks things like safety and pollution levels.
Car
DS2000
The DS 2000 is a classic Citroën model. People who like older cars often care about them because they’re distinctive and can be harder to maintain than newer cars.
Term
oil leak
An oil leak is when oil is leaking from the car. If it keeps leaking, the car can run low on oil, which isn’t good for the engine.
Car
Volkswagen Golf
The Volkswagen Golf is a popular compact car. They’re saying the Golf needs some attention so it’s in better shape.
Term
wheels
“Wheels” here means the rims and tires on the car. They’re taking them off one car and putting them onto another.
Term
tires
“Tires” are what actually touch the road. They’re saying they bought the right tires for the car so it drives better and is set up correctly.
Car
Pontiac Solstice
The Pontiac Solstice is a small two-seat sports car. It’s the kind of car people choose if they want something fun without paying for the most expensive supercars.
Term
tyres in this size
Tire “size” is the exact measurements the tire must have to fit your wheels and work correctly. If the front and rear sizes are different, it can be harder (and more expensive) to find the right tires.
Term
245-3018
That string is basically the tire’s measurements—how wide it is and what size wheel it fits. It’s important because only certain tires match that exact size.
Term
slicks
Slicks are racing tires with almost no tread. They grip really well on a dry track, but they’re not great for wet weather and can be impractical for normal road use.
Brand
Nankang
Nankang is a tire company. Here, they’re mentioned because they make semi-slick tires that might fit the car’s needs.
Car
Ford Ranger
A Ford Ranger is a pickup truck. It’s made for carrying things and handling rougher roads, but it can still be driven like a normal car.
Term
skids
A skid is when the tires lose traction and the car starts sliding instead of gripping the road. It can happen accidentally, but people sometimes do it on purpose to practice control.
Term
donuts
“Donuts” are a stunt where the car rotates in place (or near it) while the driver keeps the tires spinning and sliding in a circle. It’s typically done by inducing wheelspin and maintaining steering/throttle balance, which heavily stresses tires and drivetrain components.
Term
rev limiter bashes
The rev limiter is like a safety cut-off that stops the engine from spinning too fast. “Bashing” it means you’re pushing the engine right up against that limit, which can be stressful on the car.
Topic
Jalopnik question
They’re talking about a question from Jalopnik, a car website. The question is basically: which car brands should make a brand-new supercar?
Car
Lamborghini Huracan
The Lamborghini Huracan is a high-performance supercar. It’s known for having a very powerful engine and being built for fast driving.
Company
FCA
FCA is a big car company group (Fiat Chrysler Automobiles). The point in the discussion is that corporate control can limit what engines or technologies a brand is allowed to use.
Company
Stellantis
Stellantis is a large car company that owns multiple brands. The hosts are saying that being under a big group can limit what engines a brand can design or use.
Term
four-cylinder
A four-cylinder engine is an engine with four combustion chambers. The hosts are basically saying that corporate pressure might push a brand toward smaller, simpler engines.
Car
BMW M1
The BMW M1 is an older BMW supercar. It’s famous because it was built as a real performance machine, not just a regular BMW with upgrades.
Car
BMW i8
The BMW i8 is a hybrid sports car. It uses both an electric motor and a small turbo engine, which is why it feels different from older BMW supercars.
Car
i8 (I12)
The BMW i8 is a sports car that uses both electricity and gasoline. It’s designed to feel like a supercar, but it can also run as a hybrid.
Term
turbo engine
A turbo engine uses a device that packs more air into the engine. More air usually means more power without needing a huge engine.
Term
S54
The S54 is a BMW performance engine. Enthusiasts like it because it’s a high-revving, naturally aspirated six-cylinder that feels very engaging to drive.
Term
NA engines
“NA” means naturally aspirated—no turbo or supercharger. The engine makes power by breathing normally, and it often feels more direct as you rev it.
Concept
halo car
A “halo car” is a company’s showpiece supercar. It’s meant to be the most exciting, attention-grabbing car that represents the brand.
Car
Slr Mclaren
The SLR McLaren is a rare supercar. It’s known for being a special, high-performance model rather than a common everyday car.
Car
Volkswagen Nardo
The Volkswagen Nardo was a special concept car Volkswagen built to show off its W12 engine. It wasn’t a normal production car you could just buy—it was more of a “look what we can do” prototype.
Term
W12
W12 refers to an engine with 12 cylinders arranged in a special “W” pattern. It’s a rare, high-end engine design meant to feel very smooth and powerful.
Term
diesel gate
“Dieselgate” is the name people use for Volkswagen’s diesel emissions scandal. It involved cars that didn’t meet emissions rules in real-world driving because of how the software behaved.
Brand
Vag
“VAG” is shorthand for Volkswagen’s parent company. It’s basically the group that owns multiple car brands, so they can share technology and parts.
Brand
Porsche
Porsche is a performance-focused car brand. Here it’s mentioned as a group brand that could help with a high-end project.
Brand
Audi
Audi is a premium car brand in the same big corporate group as Volkswagen. In this segment, it’s just being suggested as another brand that could help make something cool.
Car
Audi R8
The Audi R8 is a supercar from Audi with the engine placed in the middle of the car. That layout helps it handle well, and it’s one of the most recognizable modern Audi performance cars.
Term
hypercars
A hypercar is basically an even more extreme, more exclusive type of supercar. It’s usually built in tiny numbers and is designed to be cutting-edge in speed and technology.
Car
Lamborghini
Lamborghini is a famous Italian car brand that makes very high-performance cars. People often associate it with the most extreme supercars and hypercars.
Car
Huracan
The Lamborghini Huracán is a high-end, mid-engine Lamborghini. People bring it up as an example of a “supercar,” especially when they’re arguing about what counts as a hypercar.
Term
hybrid
Here, “hybrid” means the car uses gas and electricity together. The electric part can add extra push, which is one reason hybrid tech is becoming common in the newest high-end performance cars.
Car
BMW E46
The BMW 3 Series is a smaller luxury car. Some versions are built to be sporty, and the E46 M3 is one famous example people talk about.
Car
BMW M3
The BMW E46 M3 is famous for a naturally aspirated straight-six engine. The host is saying that engine feel is part of what makes it different from other fast cars.
Term
NA
“NA” means the engine breathes naturally, without a turbo. The host is saying that kind of engine has a different feel than turbocharged setups.
Term
power delivery
Power delivery is how an engine’s output arrives as you press the throttle—its responsiveness, smoothness, and how quickly it builds revs or torque. The host argues that two cars can have similar “on paper” differences yet feel completely different because their power delivery is tuned differently.
Concept
electric car thing
They’re talking about how everyone is focusing on electric cars right now. The host thinks that focus can make today’s cars feel less unique from each other.
Term
twin turbo V8
It’s a V8 engine (eight cylinders) that uses two turbochargers. The turbos cram more air into the engine, which usually makes it feel much stronger and faster.
Term
GMA
They’re basically saying that making a truly brand-new, custom engine is harder and more expensive now. “GMA” is the name they use for the kind of system/partnering you’d need to do it.
Brand
Ferrari
They mention Ferrari as one of the classic supercar brands. The conversation is about how modern supercars can sometimes feel less exciting than before.
Term
Gran Turismo 5
Gran Turismo 5 is a racing game where you can drive lots of real cars. In this clip, they’re talking about which cars show up in the game.
Car
TVR Tuscan
The TVR Tuscan is a British sports car with a reputation for being fun and characterful. The speaker is mentioning a specific color version of it from the game.
Car
Aston Martin V12 Vantage
The Aston Martin V12 Vantage is a Vantage model with a V12 engine. The speaker is basically saying they hope the next car shown is this one.
Car
Lamborghini Diablo
The Lamborghini Diablo is a classic Lamborghini supercar from the late 20th century, famous for its dramatic styling and powerful V12 engine. Here, the host is basically saying it would feel more special to drive than the other options they’re comparing.
Car
Lamborghini Aventador
The Lamborghini Aventador is a newer Lamborghini supercar compared to older classics like the Diablo. The host is comparing the vibe of driving it, saying it feels more modern while still being a Lamborghini.
Car
Lamborghini Countach
The Lamborghini Countach is a legendary older Lamborghini supercar known for its very distinctive, sharp design. The host says the early version is among the best-looking cars ever—at least in their opinion.
Car
Gordon T50
The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a supercar. It’s built to be a special, performance-focused car rather than a normal production vehicle.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car. It’s known for being quick and having a distinctive layout, and people often talk about special versions of it.
Car
McLaren F1
The McLaren F1 is a famous, high-end supercar that enthusiasts really talk about. Here, they’re describing one particular F1 and how it was modified (LM kit), repainted, and later rebuilt after a crash.
Term
chassis 14
“Chassis 14” means they’re talking about one exact McLaren F1 car, not just any F1. It’s like a unique ID that helps track that car’s specific history.
Term
LM kit
The “LM kit” is a special set of upgrades for a McLaren F1 that makes it look and behave more like a Le Mans race car. In other words, it’s a track-inspired body/aero package.
Term
MSO
MSO is McLaren’s in-house team that handles special builds and custom work. Here, it suggests the crashed McLaren F1 was taken to McLaren to be rebuilt properly.
Car
Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is an SUV made by Porsche. It’s designed to be more powerful and sporty than a typical SUV.
Car
Bentley Bentayga
The Bentley Bentayga is a luxury SUV. It’s designed to be comfortable and powerful, not just practical.
Car
Honda S2000
The Honda S2000 is a fun, sporty Honda roadster. Here, the key point is that this particular car doesn’t meet the emissions rules for driving into Bristol’s city center.
Term
Eulez compliant
“Eulez compliant” means your car meets the city’s emissions rules. If it doesn’t, you can still drive there, but you have to pay a daily charge.
Term
emissions standard
An emissions standard is the legal limit on how dirty a car’s exhaust can be. If your car’s emissions are above the limit, the city may charge you to drive in certain areas.
Concept
van life
“Van life” refers to converting a van into living space—often with sleeping platforms, storage, and sometimes a camper setup—so people can live and travel out of the vehicle. In this segment, it’s tied to how the hosts sleep in converted seating/beds and the risks of being in a vehicle at night.
Term
handbrake
The handbrake is the parking brake that’s meant to keep the car from rolling when you’re stopped. If it releases on a hill, the vehicle can start rolling right away.
Part
rear wheel bearings
Wheel bearings help your wheels spin freely. If they’re worn out, the car can make noise or shake, and it can also cause faster tire wear.
Part
fuel filter
The fuel filter cleans the fuel before it goes to the engine. If it gets old, the engine may not get the right amount of clean fuel.
Part
tank straps
Tank straps hold the fuel tank in place. If they’re rusted, the tank can move around more than it should, which is a safety concern.
Term
towing
Towing is pulling a trailer or another vehicle behind you using a hitch and tow setup. In the context of this episode, towing a very large boat stresses the SUV’s drivetrain and cooling, and it also requires the right towing capacity and trailer setup.
Topic
M40
The M40 is a big highway in the UK. They’re saying the towing happened right on that road.
Car
Toyota GR Corolla
The Toyota GR Corolla is a sporty version of a small hatchback. It’s made to drive more like a performance car, not just a normal commuter.
Term
three cylinder
“Three cylinder” means the engine has three working cylinders. Fewer cylinders can make the engine more compact, and many modern 3-cylinder engines use a turbo to still feel quick.
Term
central pipe
A “central pipe” in this context is part of the exhaust layout—where the exhaust outlet(s) are arranged around the centerline of the car. The hosts are describing a distinctive exhaust routing/appearance, which can be a clue to trim, market spec, or how the exhaust is packaged.
Concept
grey import
A grey import is a car that’s brought into a country through unofficial routes. It might be sold there even if the manufacturer doesn’t offer it officially, often because of rules like emissions.
Term
emissions compliance
Emissions compliance means the car has to meet the local legal limits for what comes out of the exhaust. If it doesn’t meet the UK rules, it can’t be sold there normally.
Concept
fleet emissions
Fleet emissions is about how a car company is judged by the average emissions of many cars it sells. If a certain model would hurt that average, the company may avoid selling it in that country.
Car
Toyota Yaris Gr
The Toyota GR Yaris is a sporty version of a small hatchback. It’s made to handle well and feel quick, not just look sporty.
Term
SVJ
SVJ is Lamborghini’s label for a more extreme version of the Aventador. It generally means the car is tuned for harder driving and has more performance-focused upgrades.
Car
Lamborghini Murciélago
The Lamborghini Murciélago is a well-known older Lamborghini supercar. They’re saying Murciélagos are worth about double, and they bring up a manual one because that kind of setup can be especially valuable.
Term
manual
Here, “manual” means the car uses a clutch and you shift gears yourself. The hosts are pointing out that a manual Murciélago is especially valuable.
Term
right-hand drive
Right-hand drive means the steering wheel is on the right side of the car. In countries like the UK that’s normal, but in places like the US it’s less common—so people may want those cars more.
Term
left-hand drive
Left-hand drive means the steering wheel is on the left side. The US mostly uses this layout, so it’s the “normal” one there.
Car
Bugatti Veyron
The Bugatti Veyron is one of the most famous super-expensive hypercars ever made. Here, they’re talking about an early Veyron that sold at an auction.
Car
Toyota Land Cruiser
The Toyota Land Cruiser is a big SUV built for tough driving. The “100 series” is one particular generation of that model that people look for.
Concept
auction lot
An auction lot is just one car (or item) that’s being sold at an auction. So when they say the SVJ rolls up to the lot, it means it’s next in line to be sold.
Concept
auction bidding
Auction bidding is how you try to win a car at an auction by offering more money than everyone else. The more people compete, the higher the price can go.
Car
Nissan Primera
A Nissan Primera is a normal, everyday Nissan model that was sold in Europe. Here it’s being talked about like a classic auction car, not a supercar.
Car
Nissan Micra
The Nissan Micra is a small car designed for city driving. In this story, people are bidding on one, showing that even common-looking cars can be exciting in an auction.
Car
Toyota MR2
The Toyota MR2 is a small sports car. It’s made to be light and fun to drive, and it’s something people often buy as a hobby car.
Car
Kia Rio
The Kia Rio is a small, inexpensive car meant for daily driving. It’s the kind of vehicle you’d normally expect to be affordable, so it stands out when it sells for a lot at auction.
Car
Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is a very famous supercar. It’s known for being a high-performance, collectible Ferrari.
Term
V8s back in F1
A “V8” is an engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. When people say “V8s back in F1,” they mean F1 might go back to that kind of engine instead of the current rules.
Term
V12s
A “V12” is an engine with twelve cylinders arranged in a V shape. It’s a big, high-cylinder-count engine, and the hosts are comparing it to smaller turbo engines that came later.
Term
turbocharger
A turbocharger is a device that uses the engine’s exhaust to spin a turbine and push more air into the engine. More air usually means more power, even from a smaller engine.
Term
tag turbos
“TAG turbo” is a nickname for a famous 1980s Formula 1 turbo-engine setup tied to McLaren. It’s mentioned as a specific historical turbo era, not just “any turbo.”
Term
V10s
A V10 is an engine with 10 cylinders arranged in a V shape. It’s usually found in higher-performance cars because it can spin fast and make good power, but it tends to use more fuel.
Term
electric split
An “electric split” is the balance between using electricity and using the engine. If the rules push the car to use more electric power, drivers have to be careful not to run the battery down at the wrong time.
Concept
ran out of energy
In a hybrid race, “running out of energy” means the battery doesn’t have enough charge left to help anymore. When that happens, the driver has to adjust their driving because the car won’t feel as strong.
Term
battery would need to be recharging
You can’t use the battery endlessly; the car has to recharge it during the drive. That means the driver’s strategy includes when to use electric power and when to let the car recharge.
Term
V8
A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. It’s known for a distinctive sound and feel compared with smaller engines.
Term
7.5 litre
“7.5 litre” is how big the engine is. Bigger engines (more displacement) usually feel stronger and can sound more dramatic.
Term
cam
The camshaft helps control when the engine’s valves open and close. A “mean cam” usually means it’s tuned to make the engine feel more aggressive and lively.
Term
carb sticking out the top
A carb (carburetor) mixes fuel and air before it enters the engine. When the speaker mentions a carb “sticking out,” they’re pointing to a visible, classic fuel-delivery setup that often goes with older V8s and contributes to their distinctive look and sound.
Term
V6
A V6 is an engine with six cylinders arranged in a V shape. It has a different sound and feel than other engine types like V8s.
Topic
Goodwood members meeting
Goodwood Members’ Meeting is a car event where enthusiasts gather and you can hear cars running in person. Here, it’s the place where the speaker noticed the sound differences.
Car
TVR Griffith
The TVR Griffith is a British sports car that’s famous for being loud and exciting. People who like older TVRs often love them for their big V8 sound and raw, fun driving feel.
Car
Zenvo ST1
The Zenvo ST1 is a very rare supercar. It’s made in small numbers, so it’s not something you see often on the road.
Car
Ford Cortina
They mention the Ford Cortina as a reference point. It’s a well-known older British car, used here to help describe what the “ST1” is like.
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Restriction supply.
When you are tired and you just want to go to bed,
you have to go and take a turd in a bucket in a cupboard.
I don't actually believe there's much that makes me more angry in this world.
Somewhere to park, somewhere to sleep.
Who that I don't have to take home with me?
Bad day to be a haddock right now.
God, bad day to be a chicken shop at 10 o'clock.
Hello and welcome back to the 83rd Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast,
the cream podcast with myself, Edwin, William to my left
and Benjamin upside down the camera.
Hello.
Hello.
That's, you know, carry on.
Right, it's for me to talk then.
Before the beginning of every Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast,
we answer the question whether they are ruling everything around us this week
or ruining everything around us this week.
Benjamin, I'm throwing it to you, sir, to start.
I'm going to go with a gentle ruin.
It's not a big ruin for me.
Would you say you're a gentle ruin or?
Or you're a...
I'm quite drastically in ruin a lot of the time.
But this week I'm going to put it in ruin
because I just have many car things to sort out
and I don't have much time to do them.
So, Golfing's MOT, hopefully it passes that.
Oh, we could only hope that the mish is ever right.
I could do that.
And I just prepare, prepare, prepare, prepare.
That's the one.
DS2000 for sale, haven't I yet?
And that's it.
We've got a lot of cars to film.
A little bit of a lot of cars to film.
No, that was it.
No, it's just more that it's not...
There's no reason to rule and I have things to do if I don't want to do.
My neighbour said he's got an MOT or an oil leak.
So, as it stands, your car list of things to do on your car stands two.
And one of them is sell that car.
And the other one is do something you have to do.
We all legally have to do that.
Yeah, I know.
But what I mean is that because there's no big win,
it's just more sort of, it's like little things got to do.
There is a big win.
I mean, it kind of, it proves that your car's been working for the year.
If it fails, it's kind of like you've been driving something and I'm like, great.
It hasn't had an MOT yet.
So, by the time this podcast is out, you will have had an MOT.
Yeah.
So, there's a flag.
Are you confident in its ability to pass an MOT?
I will not speak on it because I'm scared of jinxing.
Oh, you'll jinx it.
Okay.
But like, if you're a betting man, would you say like, what do the over under?
I don't know what that means.
I never have known what that means.
Would you bet more on the fact that it would pass or fail?
I will not speak on it.
I think you've got a favourite in the race.
I think he's pretty, I'm pretty confident.
I think you think it's going to pass.
I hope so.
I need it.
So, if not, then yes, 2000 daily.
Odds on pass.
Couple of advisories, like a couple of little ones.
Although it has damper advisories.
A side bull joint, you know, slightly.
Maybe.
Oil leak, but not excessive.
Do you know what?
Oil leak would be great.
Yeah.
Is he fine with that?
Because it's going through oil.
So, I prefer it was leaking out than burning it.
And when you find out, you go, where?
Where would I find that oil leak?
Like, is it UK based?
And they go, just the underside.
Yeah.
All of it.
Just have the whole of it.
I don't want that.
I'd say, yeah.
Anyway, it's a room because I have things to do,
and we have a lot of things to film,
and we have a lot of things to do to cars.
Have you thought any more about your replacement?
No.
It's so far out my mind, currently.
It's crazy that this man can live like this.
I have so many things.
The next two weeks is just long.
You just...
I have too many things going on that I can't think about cars,
or buying cars.
I just want the S2000 gone,
want the Golf sorted,
because he needs to focus on doing it.
So, listen to how he talks about it.
I just want it gone.
He doesn't.
He does not care.
Hates it.
I took the wheels off it.
And sold the wheels too?
Sold the wheels to William.
Wow, on the screen right now, S2000.
Yeah.
I sold the wheels to William,
who's putting them on his McGann.
I am.
So, I put them on.
I've bought proper tires for it.
Yeah, fair.
I put the original wheels back on it,
but yeah, now it looks quite rough.
It needs to clean.
It may look better off that, but it just looks...
And now you've taken those wheels off.
Like you said, you had that thing where
at least you've looked at it and liked it,
whereas now you don't even have that.
That car's dead to you.
Can I...
It's too early.
We're in the rules and ruins,
but still, I want to pitch it to you now.
Sure.
I meant to do it last week.
Yeah.
A bet.
Because I think I did say it last week,
but I didn't say what the stakes were.
No.
I don't think you'll buy a car, a fun car,
to this side of Christmas.
Okay.
So, that gives you, you know...
Wow, you extended it before you...
Yeah.
I thought it was...
I can't remember what it was,
but I was going to say it at the end of the year.
No, June at some point, wasn't it?
June.
I thought it was the end of the year.
Oh, I think I might have given you...
I'm going to say Christmas just because it's a nice easy...
No, I like Christmas.
We're at the end of the year.
It's like five days.
End of the year.
End of the year.
Oh, you know, that five days, extra five days,
we're going to really do them at the end of the year.
Everyone's out buying cars in the time between Christmas and the year.
I do.
I don't think you'll buy a car.
I think the money will drop into your account.
Yeah.
And you'll say, you'll go,
oh, I could put that into investment bonds.
Saving us...
Oh, god, the percentages now.
Into my Roth IRA.
And I would like the stakes to be here,
the punishment to be, if that is true,
to be the grandest L we have ever dealt.
A painted...
I want...
I'm requesting a painting.
Yep.
A painting in a nice golden frame that we can put up somewhere.
We will pay.
We'll pay for it.
That's fine.
But we want a painted one of you in a gesture outfit.
It's a photo of Venrodas,
or sorry, painting of Venrodas in a gesture outfit
with a grandiose L in his hand.
You can do that.
Yep.
But what I will say is that you made another bet with me
about what was it?
I would sell it before Summer Solstice.
Yes.
Now I haven't sold it yet.
You haven't, but when is the Summer Solstice?
Is it July or June?
June 21st, I think, or 20th?
I think I haven't gone by then.
Well, no, I would hope so.
No, because what you're relying on here
is Ben's ability to sell a car.
Yeah, that's fair.
So, Ben, you might be safe.
There's so much.
I don't even know what the odds were on that,
but now we've set this one in stone on the podcast.
If you don't buy a car by the end of the year,
or Christmas, then we want painting.
Yeah, fine.
You know, it's going to cost.
Like, the cost falls on you.
You just said that you pay for it.
Oh, sorry, I could pay for it.
All right, the company will pay,
and we won't put the lights on again for Christmas.
OK, that's fine.
Deal, shake my hand from here.
All right, hand shake.
Consider that shaken, you're welcome.
William, what is it?
Oh, you will note,
William's voice is a bit rough this week.
It's not your TV set being out of tune.
Will's got a husky voice.
I had got a voice.
A voice happened to me at Shedfest.
So there'll be some also some YouTube videos
where it'll be even worse.
But anyway, hopefully by the next podcast,
it will be gone.
I also rule there is still no Mercy Logo.
It's very, very annoying.
I'm very, very frustrated.
There is nothing I can do at the moment.
I'm just waiting on people and things.
The car is set in storage that I'm going to have to pay for as well.
But to my right, we have a tyre because it's quite large.
It's quite large.
I knew that the car would need a tyre
in order to get through an MOT.
They're very expensive.
So it should be a ruin for that alone.
I can see the size here.
It is a 335-3018.
They are incredibly difficult to find.
It just ridiculously wide.
So there are only a couple of manufacturers
that make tyres in this size
and you can't buy a matching front.
For a car that's quite expensive
and that is going up in value so much,
but no one is sorting this out.
There's nothing.
You cannot buy tyres anywhere.
So I had to buy these and then a separate set
for at least for the front.
The rears alone were £1,400.
That's tough.
I have never spent that much on tyre.
I don't think that's two sets of tyres
for most performance cars.
It is ridiculous.
So that's just the set of rears.
The fronts are normal.
So it's a 245-3018 or something.
But the rears, Jesus Christ,
if someone, there are slicks out there.
Someone makes, because Nankang makes some,
but they're proper semi-slicks
and I just don't fancy that on that car.
Going pirouetting down the road.
These will do.
They will have to last some time.
They really will.
If they start to wear on a corner,
I'm going to be doing some of those TikTok videos
where they're cutting into the tyre
and making it new again.
I'm going to get some re-transfer.
But other than that ridiculous cost rule.
Yeah?
Yeah.
For me, I'm going to say it was a rule
because we just had Shedfest last weekend for us.
It's been quite a few weeks away
or quite a few weeks already for you listening.
But it was a very good event.
I didn't get violently ill.
So therefore, it's a great one to see for me.
I was present the entire day.
But no, we met a load of you guys.
A load of cremers.
Shout out to the cremers.
Many.
We were up on the stage.
And a quick, quick one.
Up on the stage, Alex was introducing Shedfest.
Thousands of people out in the crowd.
And he said,
Who here listens to the Auto Alex podcast?
And there was like a whee.
That was like dust-able.
No, there was a good amount of people.
And then he said, and then he jokingly said,
Most of you probably listen to the cream podcast instead.
And you guys went, there was cremers out there.
And it wasn't just like a few active.
It was there were more people that were up for it.
So shout out the cremers who A turned up and represented,
but B just came up and said hi to us and said,
I'm creaming.
As always, not the toughest here in the wild,
but fine in the company.
And the guy who made a CD case, the custom CD case,
will put an overlay on the screen picture of it.
But now it doesn't have any songs on it.
No.
Now to say I was ever so slightly disappointed at first is true.
But then I realized recording an entire album to give to us
at a show is quite big.
I brought mine in to be in the background of the podcast
because did you see the song names on the back?
I read through some of them.
There are some good ones.
There are some good ones.
Tractors at night is on there.
It's on there.
Let me get it.
Because it's right there.
Right.
I have with me the album cover.
It's in a dual case and it has the big M up on the cover
with the number plate cream.
And it says cream, no reason to ruin as the album name.
Strong album name off the bat.
And then we've got 10 songs.
Number one, no reason to ruin the album's name.
It's a nice one.
Number two, Ben.
Any thoughts?
Tractors at night?
No.
Number two, we come in with two rules and a ruin.
OK.
Clean.
Number three.
Tractors at night.
Tractors at night.
Tractors at night.
Feet.
Richard Porter.
Very good.
Is it his full name or is it?
I would say it's Feet.
Or is it?
Feet's the name.
Richard Porter.
I think we're probably Feet.
Yeah, as I say, it's his song.
Number four.
Any thoughts?
It's Creamers Paradise.
Quite nice.
Tough one.
Tough one to him.
Number five.
I'm sorry, Mrs. Rogers.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Number six, middle lane hogger.
Feet.
Any thoughts on who that's featuring, Ben?
Is it me?
No, it's featuring Debbie Bingles.
Actually, sorry.
Debbie Bingle, singular.
Before she got married.
Number seven, 30 driver.
Then we go straight to number nine.
Skipped out track eight.
It's a rare one.
Number nine is Acorn said it right.
Yeah, that's fine.
Galante.
Finally finishing up with number 10, The Big M.
The Big M.
Which is clean.
Now, he has put his act tag in the bottom left,
but I can't read it.
The quality is too low.
But that will live on the set as a nice little...
As the debut albums go.
Yeah.
It's pretty strong.
Debbie albums.
Debbie albums.
Okay.
But Shedfest, good?
Shedfest, very good.
I also got, when I was there,
offered a ranger of a classic from a man.
He said, I don't know much about it,
but there is a woman who used to work
for Top Gear and the Grand Tour.
She has this and he showed me a photo on his phone
that was a black ranger of a classic.
So he sent me some more photos and said,
I'll ask on your behalf if you'd like.
Thankfully, this episode is sponsored
by the guys at Carvertical.
I ran the plate on a Carvertical check.
It is interesting.
2009, we had 134,000 miles.
2010, we had 115,000 miles.
Oh, so Miley's just going down and you should buy it?
Yeah, we just went back in time.
And then in 2016, we'd gone up to 128,000 miles.
2017, we're back to 123.
So, you know, I'll be honest.
This is the sort of stuff Carvertical is for,
i.e. finding cars that are dodgy.
It's not going to disturb me.
If this car is good, I'm having it.
But I have a feeling I had a look on the MOT history,
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Offside rear body has slight corrosion.
Offside front body has slight corrosion.
But then it just says corrosion everywhere.
Okay, that's nice.
You know, I'm not hopeful, but I'm hopeful at the same time.
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You never know.
You go, no, I felt like a little one,
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It could be one.
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But for me, yeah, rule, rule, overall.
Also, I wanted to do skids in the TVR.
It was very fun.
I did have to drive home on those tires,
so I couldn't do too many.
I was very upset about that.
But we still got a couple of donuts in
and a couple of rev limiter bashes.
All good, all around.
Help, shall we get onto some more?
I think let's get on some things and things.
Now, you have put a question in here.
It's a Jalopnik question.
It is.
Which automakers should build a new supercar?
We're not starting off with bullshit.
We're starting off with something.
It's a conversation.
It's a real brain teaser, this one.
But no, the question that I saw on there,
I used to frequent Jalopnik five times a day
when I was growing up.
Great site.
Lots of cool car stuff.
I saw it on there and thought, that's a good question.
And Ben, I think you're going to have an interesting answer
on this because you're from a different generation as us.
Yes.
What was the question?
Which automakers should build a new supercar?
Okay.
Are we talking about ones that have previously made
or just completely up to anyone?
It is an automaker that does not currently make a supercar
or a hypercar.
Which one should start?
I want to see.
You start.
I want to think now.
Oh, okay.
I've got one for you.
I don't have one.
You go.
I was thinking Alpha.
Yeah.
Nice.
Alpha, MAO.
Like I guess they have never actually done a full-on supercar.
No.
I know the 8C is there.
And the 33 Stradale, which was a road car version of a race car.
But I still love to see them do a full-on, like a 488 Huracan,
that size kind of thing with an amazing engine, that kind of thing.
The issue I think with them is that I think they would be strangled by FCA,
by Stellantis, is they would go,
no, you can, but you are going to need to use a four-cylinder.
And you are going to have to use V6.
Or would it just be a Maserati?
Yeah.
Because the problem with any of those cars is,
is that they're always going to go,
oh, they're not the same.
They're not in the same.
They're roughly in the same family as Ferrari, right?
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
But I guess that's the whole thing with the 8C,
was the 8C was essentially kind of not rebodied.
Because of Gran Turismo.
It was essentially Gran Turismo.
So you had DNA from Ferrari, but not really.
But you always have that thing where it's annoying that they can't ever,
Ferrari are never going to give out for an engine that's going to go into a car
that's going to outperform or outdo their car.
Yeah.
So they have to make it themselves,
in which case it would be very, very expensive.
I think the problem with that question now is really hard,
because there's not enough interesting engines out there.
No, exactly.
I also thought BMW, again, BMW have never really made,
obviously the M1.
Kind of was a supercar, really.
The I8 sports car in my S9 Levin competitor.
But BMW, I'm less excited by them doing one now,
because it would have some straight, it would be a turbo engine, it would be.
Yeah.
But like, they're making a supercar in like the 2000s,
when they had the V10s, the V8s, even like an S54,
using one of those mad NA engines in a mid-engine thing,
or a big front engine car would be cool.
I would go American, because I think they're the only ones
who have the ability to do an engine like that anymore.
Like a Cadillac, yeah, Cadillac CN, that from the early 2000s,
those were cool.
I want one of those, or a new Dodge.
A Mi 412.
A Mi 412, like they always, America always had this such close taste
of we're building a hypercar or a supercar,
and then everyone would go, okay, yeah, and they go,
nah, get rid of it, we're building a grand am or something.
Because in the UK, what we've got, I mean, Aston are making pretty,
they're making better supercars than they've ever made.
McLaren are making supercars anyway.
That's kind of their, that's their deal.
I would like to see, the speed tail was good,
but I would like to see another attempt at a P1 or a,
and obviously there's Senna and there's W1,
but I don't feel the same thing that I felt to it.
We've talked about it before, whereas it's,
our generation has passed in terms of supercars.
The things that make us excited aren't there anymore,
but I still like to see a halo, halo car.
Mercedes, what are they, they do the AMG GT in the Black series,
but they're yet to come out with, trying to think off the top of my head,
something that's sort of SLR McLaren or SLS level.
Yeah.
I know the AMG GT, you could probably say is kind of that car,
but you can get a base model AMG GT.
Whereas that's not, whereas SLS was, it was the SLS.
Yeah, SLR was the SLR.
You couldn't go and buy a basic one that was like a 911 competitor.
From Merck, I think would be cool,
especially because they still might have some kind of cool designs.
One other thing before you go, I want to see Volkswagen know it again.
The Nardo, when the Nardo came out, if you don't know,
Ben, do you know what Volkswagen Nardo is?
No idea.
They made, they nearly had it all.
Volkswagen made, now for audio listeners,
you're going to not be, not going to be able to see it,
but it was a, how do you even explain it?
Kind of the shape of, kind of a Mercedes-Benz logo in shape.
Very similar to a Mercedes-Benz logo.
Back and a very short stout front, but they, and it was essentially the W12.
It was their way of kind of showing the W12 off quite, quite a smiley guy.
I've seen this.
But they are, I think they made one working prototype
because there was another one was called a Syncro, I want to say,
but oh, that would have just been, it would have been brother to the Veyron.
I always think in my head when I think about the Nardo,
but Volkswagen doing it today going, all right,
all that diesel gate stuff done now.
Watch this.
And then using the full force of Vag, you know, parts,
having all of them and going, how are you all going to do this for me?
Porsche, you're going to do this for me.
A building, an Uber car would be cool.
I guess Audi actually would be good.
Yeah.
Audi, because again, they've killed the R8.
R8 dead.
So there's no them coming out with something else.
Because the R8, I mean, what, how well was like that received really?
When did that come out?
What, 2007?
Yeah.
And they made it for God knows how long, almost 20 years.
And even the designs are basically timeless.
So a new R8 would be cool.
But I can't think of anyone else.
The R9.
Hey, Ben, we've used up basically all of the other cars and given you time.
What are you going to say?
Well, I don't really have any of the brands left.
So what are you thinking?
What are you thinking?
No, I mean, we thought BMW.
I'm going to say something controversial.
Here we go.
I'm going to get a comment going, what an awful take.
I don't care.
Lamborghini, because I would argue they don't make supercars anymore.
They make hypercars.
Okay.
Right.
I see what you're saying.
A supercar.
I'm talking like a, even like a Huracan.
But you wouldn't say, you think a Temurario?
It's a 1000 horsepower.
That's a hypercar.
It's hybrid.
And it goes not 16.8 of a second, not true at all.
But I want to see some actual, it's not just a 1000.
Everything's 1000 horsepower now.
It's all what I will consider a hypercar.
But I think everything's going to be that now.
Now that it has to be hybrid.
Don't do it.
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
Do something else.
All of the people inside Lamborghini.
All right, you want to something here?
I just think of that.
I just think it's excessive for, you can't use it.
You're taking the soul away from it.
And all you're getting is just speed.
Do you know what?
I will say from being in some more modern cars that are like that,
where their whole thing is just being fast,
they do lose their differentiation, if that makes sense.
Like if you drive an E46 M3, that is a straight six NA sports car thing,
and then you go and drive the TVR, which on paper,
the only difference is a couple hundred ccs.
It sounds just the sound loan completely different.
The way that it delivers the power completely different.
X, Y, Z, all different.
But I feel like now that if you get in like a Porsche,
a fast Porsche, and you get in like a fast Lamborghini,
they almost start to feel and sound the same.
You shouldn't be able to do that.
That should, they should be completely different animals.
I think they're losing that.
It's just quick.
Yeah, speed.
But when are you using 1000 horsepower?
I'm not, I mean, hey, I haven't driven a supercar,
so why are you even listening to me?
But I think that you're getting rid of anything that makes it special,
just to make it quick.
I think everyone's just chasing the electric car thing now.
Nothing comes out with an interesting enough.
My thing is engine still.
There'll be lots of people that won't,
not won't care about it,
but they'll care that they like the 40 to twin turbo V8 or whatever it's going to be.
But previously, when you're thinking back to the golden days,
when you think of like Creerogy,
let's like SLR McLaren,
because I guess they used a standard engine,
but things like the Creerogy T,
where they just go, we just made this new engine for this.
New engine.
The only way to do that now is by going to GMA.
Yeah, yeah.
So the price point is now way higher for that level of special stuff.
So you're saying BMW and Lamborghini.
I'm saying just, yeah, car makers like,
I mean, BMW was an example,
like what you were saying of just a car maker
that could make a supercar with what they have,
but haven't really before.
But I'm talking about like the traditional supercar companies,
your Ferrari, your Lamborghini,
these guys who are now just making just hair drys with engine.
And it's good.
And I'm not saying that they're cool still and they're stuff,
but it just doesn't, you don't feel anything.
I want to feel something.
Do you reckon you'd feel more in like Will's Mercy than you would,
sorry, Will's potential Mercy, the one that doesn't exist,
than like a Revuelta?
I'll make a claim.
The speed is irrelevant.
It's nothing to do with that.
It will be quicker.
I'll probably be more scared in a Revuelta, of course, but it's not.
The speed of it will become unenjoyable quite quickly,
whereas like the most logo is everything about it is like an event.
It's special.
I've just remembered latest Doug Demuro beef.
Oh, I came across a clip from his podcast, not shoes.
This is not shoe related.
He was ranking the crazy thing on a podcast as well.
Sorry, guys, just my accent.
He was ranking the best V12 Lamborghini space.
So there's what?
Five is Mura, Kuntash, Diablo.
Monsieur Largo.
Monsieur Largo, Aventador.
56 even.
He said that the Revuelta looks better than the Aventador.
What?
Doug, mate, I think he knows what he's doing.
But it's not to engagement, mate.
It's to cream, mate.
Yeah, he's just trying to get it.
He's like, if they talk about it.
He's an avid listener.
He's like, right, I need to get some numbers up.
Let's get these creamers over to my podcast and just rallying against me.
Doug, mate, what are you talking about?
I don't think the Revuelta is a bad-looking car.
But does it?
Aventador's a great-looking car.
Also, I think it goes back to this.
We've had this argument for years and years.
I believe there is a difference between a good-looking car
or a beautiful-looking car and a cool-looking car.
Those are two different things to me.
So it depends what he's saying.
Which way you're going.
Because if you're saying good-looking,
a Revuelta does not even start to be on that list.
It's not good-looking.
There are no lines.
It is angry.
It's Gijaro.
Curved lines are bullshit.
That's what you said.
That is...
But it doesn't look good.
Any model or any artist would look at that and go,
No!
There's a lot going on.
Yeah.
Whereas if you're saying cool,
yeah, okay, now it can go on that list.
I understand it.
I can't remember how he put that list,
but I think it was Aventador bottom, possibly.
Ben, go.
Rank the best V12.
Okay.
List them again.
So you've got...
Starting off with the Mura.
I'll list them.
You put it in a place.
Oh, how many are there?
Five?
There are six.
So Mura, the original.
How about Start Revuelta?
That's your bag.
Yeah, let's go back in time.
Revuelta...
I'm putting Revuelta as the last one.
So number six.
Number six.
And then we'll go back to the beginning.
Mura.
And you can choose whichever version you'd like.
Oh, God, I don't know.
Oh, I'm going to...
You don't feel much towards Mura.
I don't feel much, but I'll get a shout out if I say...
Gijaro.
Just where you want it.
No, no, it's your list, bro.
Three.
Okay.
Three, okay.
Three, so three and six taken.
Couldn't hash.
Again, any version you want of a Gijaro.
I can appreciate it, but I don't...
I'm not of that era.
I don't feel much to it.
So I'm putting that at four.
Okay.
Interesting.
And next up is a Diablo.
A Diablo is going in five.
Diablo in five.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, I don't like your list at all.
And then number...
Where am I?
Mercy Logo, sorry.
Two.
Aventador.
One.
Crazy.
Okay.
I felt like I thought that was...
I felt that.
I didn't expect Mura above Couldn't Hash, though.
I feel like in your mind that could have gone either way.
No, actually, when I think about it,
I...
Again, this is my opinion, and it comes from
a thousand different places of what I've seen grow up on that sort of thing.
Maybe it's the Lamborghini you grew up with.
Interesting.
We could make that.
We could make that a running thing.
But I'm not saying that any worse, I don't know much about them spec-wise.
I just like the Aventador the most.
No, but I think there's going to be a lot of people that essentially agree with you.
I think that's going to be...
Your list is probably how a lot of people would have their list.
And the Mura, I like it.
I just like it, though.
I think you're saying...
Mercy Lago 1.
Diablo 2.
Or is it Aventador 2?
2 is difficult.
I'd probably...
It would be a big toss-up.
But it could be either on either day.
It could be... I would probably...
There he is.
There he is.
On the screen right now, there is...
Present and with us in the ring.
It's on the listeners.
There's one on the game behind us, which is Gran Turismo 5.
Finally, the licensed guests.
I would go Mercy Lago, Diablo.
I then...
Aventador.
Right, and then I think you're going...
Couldn't Hash.
Oh.
Mura.
And then...
Revolto.
I thought...
I think the Mura is the probably one of the best-looking...
Oh, I hadn't...
And now it's a time.
No, that's crazy.
That's actually what I want.
For audio listeners, the Gran Turismo licensed tests behind us.
I just put this on randomly.
It was a Mercy Lago SV before, and it went straight into a Swordfish Blue TVR Tuscan.
What the hell is going on?
Next one better be a V12 Vantage for old Betty Bingles.
The Mura is one of the best-looking out of all of them to me.
But I don't wish to drive one or own one.
Right.
And I've heard that from a lot of people who have driven them.
They're either, A, scared that it's going to go up in flames,
and B, that it just doesn't drive that well.
You said this was on looks.
No, no.
No, but I'm ranking them in terms of which ones I'd like to...
The greatest.
It's kind of all of those things.
It's like which one...
That's what...
Mercy Lago for me is top, obviously.
And then that's why it's a toss up between Diablo and Aventador,
because I'd quite like to drive both.
But driving in Diablo would feel, I think, more special.
Than an Aventador.
And it's more like Pete Clambagini than an Aventador to me.
Whereas Aventador is...
It's still got it, but it's quite modern.
And then Mura and Contache could probably trade places.
But I just think a Contache, as early Contache for me,
is one of the best-looking car of all time.
I want to make clear that my list was based on looks.
I thought that was what it was.
You vein horrible person.
I thought it was based on which one you think looks the best.
Yes.
The... Thanks for that podcast segment, Dog's Muro.
We'll be stealing that and doing Ferraris next week.
Yeah, we'll be listening to your podcast on the way home.
We won't.
Well, they've officially started.
But I do watch your clips.
Right, Ben.
Hi.
This is for you.
Here we go.
I hope you've come prepared once more.
We'll find out.
You've said here IKEA T50.
What?
There is a page on Instagram called WorstSpec.
A great page.
Which basically they have dedicated their lives.
And I respect this.
To finding super cars and rare cars and cars of all sorts.
They're in the worst spec.
This is a GMAT 50.
Now, hold on.
Actually, Will hasn't seen this.
I just put it on screen.
What do you think the worst spec GMAT 50 could be?
Now, we're going to give you...
Because it's all quite normal.
Right.
Okay, so it's a two-turn exterior.
You've said IKEA.
You can't...
You gave our way.
Well, because they are.
I don't know.
My brain was saying when you said IKEA,
it was going to be blue on the outside, yellow on the inside.
Now back.
That's bad, right?
That would be bad.
A blue on the outside, yellow on the inside car.
Allow me to be worse.
So that is...
The upper 50% of the car is yellow.
The rear kind of clam shell bit is blue.
But then the fan is yellow.
And then there's a blue stripe running up the middle.
But then there's a smaller yellow stripe within that stripe.
Just all over the place.
I will show...
Is that Optimus Prime?
Is Optimus Prime look like that?
Is he yellow or blue?
Red and blue.
Red is not blue.
Right, but he looks like a transformer, I've seen.
Or that does so.
Now, I'm going to make a claim.
Oh, don't say you like it.
I don't think it's real.
I think someone's photoshopped that.
Really?
I have this...
I don't think GMA would let that out.
But there's been some pretty poor...
When you think of, like, Koenigseggs and Paghanis,
there's been some rotten spec onto this as well.
I know, but that's what I think.
I feel like surely Gordon's saying no.
Surely he's saying,
Gordon putting his foot down and going,
no, we cannot do this.
We'll reach out to GMA's press team.
For a comment and at the bottom it will say,
but does Gordon want to come with podcasts?
It can come out to play.
I just don't think...
I don't think he'd allow it.
I think he would, because I think the publicity of it is...
I think money speaks the loudest.
Yeah, but the money's already there.
How many people were lining up to buy...
Like, they were sold out straight away.
You could always find someone else.
I think...
I feel like someone has taken liberties with photoshop on this.
I'd be glad...
No, I wouldn't be glad to be proved wrong.
I would be upset to be proved wrong.
But what is on the screen behind it?
And also, the blue goes into the interior,
which is why it does, in theory, look real.
Because the blue goes into the interior.
There's a purple dash with a yellow stripe
up the middle of the dash.
It's a rough one.
I think someone has had a play around and gone,
I reckon I can get posted and we're specified at this.
But what, Ben?
I think that they would like it,
because I think the brand...
It makes the brand...
What's the word?
People... It's brand recognition.
What, most of this thing is bad, pub, pub?
That's the one.
Pub, publicity.
Now, what I will say, I do wholeheartedly believe,
is that no one likes this.
Even the person who's specced it doesn't like it,
they just basically went,
I'm going to take the piss, if I can.
Like, you know the people who look at this stuff
psychologically and go, these colours work together?
Yeah.
This is why things happen,
like people decorate houses and what's actually this way.
You wear clothes in this way.
Surely your human brain isn't functioning correctly.
If you look at that and go, yeah, that's great.
But that's why I think it's...
I think it's...
Is it colour blind?
You need to say like...
Or just blind.
I love the grey over the lighter grey.
I think that's a really nice contrast on this.
I'm actually quite happy with that.
And Gordon went, how do we tell him?
I don't know how we tell him this.
Just put it in the production, just let it go.
You know people call it like, FU money?
You know, that is...
It's an FU car, which is...
I think it's like a...
You can say what you like, but I've got a T50.
That's what we do.
I think we said it on...
We saw it on the 911 ST
that said the door kit plate said your mum.
And then I think it said 69 somewhere on it.
And it was like, hey, it's because he's gone, I don't care.
Because I can.
Literally that.
But I'm hoping it's not real.
Hopefully we will update as it goes.
But that's rough.
That's a tough one.
Now this will even be the least valuable T50 ever to be sold,
or will be the most valuable.
It will be...
If it does what F1s do, McLaren F1s,
it will go to the next owner and then we'll get sent back to GMA
and it will get respect because that is what you can do with them.
So I hope to never see that because there was...
Oh no, I've just remembered.
There was a McLaren F1 and it's chassis 14.
No, it might not be chassis 14,
but it was an incredible spec.
It was black.
It had the LM kit.
So the five spoke wheels, like just beautiful.
They got bought, I think it was a Russian billionaire
or a billionaire of some sort.
And they repainted it white.
With a red stripe up the middle,
with a smaller red, white stripe down the middle of that.
And then they crashed it.
And then it went to MSO and has been rebuilt since.
So I'm wondering, please no, not like this, not like this.
Hey, it all adds to car lore, I guess.
Also, is that Gen 1?
I thought it was a Cayenne in the background,
but I think it's a Bentayga.
That's a...
But that is a horrific spec.
That's a DBX.
No, the one...
No, I'm looking at the loud one on the ramp.
But anyway, Ben is big.
This is big.
Edwin and I have been waiting with baited breath.
It's not as exciting as you think, but go on.
Okay.
So earlier on, in the week,
you put in here Rogers vs Bristol, back for round three.
Everyone loves a sequel, isn't it?
Can't believe it.
I got home the other day.
Wait, hold on.
Can you do a 10-second summary for people that do not know?
Oh, God.
I had nine, 10 seconds, but I'll try and do it
in maybe under a minute.
I have a Honda S2000.
This Honda S2000 is not Eulez compliant in Bristol,
which is where I live.
You have to drive into the centre of the city.
You must pay £9 a day if your car doesn't reach certain emissions standard.
The S2000 did not, from factory, officially read that
because it was made before the regulations came in.
But I proved to...
I then got fined many times.
I proved to Bristol that, actually,
despite not being registered as that,
it did meet their requirements.
They made it Eulez compliant.
Then I bought the Golf.
The Golf, actually, from a factory, is Eulez compliant.
For some reason, Bristol City Council said,
this car here, this is not Eulez compliant,
I then received upwards of 10 PCNs.
I appealed it again.
I had to, at this time, great ends to...
Even though, ironically, this car actually is Eulez,
I had to go for a whole process of trying to prove it.
It was Eulez.
Finally did.
It's not Eulez.
I rested at the end of this long...
But there couldn't be any more issues.
I thought...
Put your feet up, mate.
I'm done.
I can finally rest.
And then, the other day I got home,
to two letters.
And I was talking to my mum at the time,
because she was asking how my day was.
I was like, yeah, because she went,
oh, there's two letters here for you.
Cool, man.
I'll open them.
And they're white letters, not brown letters.
Like, so you would get from the DVLA.
So I'm like, cool.
I'm chatting, whatever.
I open it up and I just pause.
I just see PCN inquiry, whatever, whatever.
Now, just quick pause.
Yeah.
What were the first words you said when you saw it?
Out loud.
Like, what did your mum hear?
I think I just laughed.
I think I went, huh, no.
Was it no?
Because the way I imagined it, immediately,
was Ben sitting, opening a piece of paper,
and he went, no, that's great.
I said that, too.
So what it was, is the PCNs for the Gulf,
some of the most recent ones.
They confirm, I have some writing,
that the car is Euleska compliant,
and that they will cancel the PCNs.
Of course.
So what did they do?
They didn't cancel.
They cancelled all but two.
So now, I have received two letters saying,
hey, man, what?
Where's the money?
Oh, so the price has gone up.
The price is now the full price plus some,
and if I don't pay it, I now can't appeal.
And if I don't pay it,
then they threaten all kinds of stuff.
How much?
I think it's like £180 each.
That's 360.
And they add another half again,
if I don't pay it for like a week or two weeks.
So what's the solution?
So I called them, and I said, what?
And they went, oh, hello, Ben.
How's the family?
Have an energy video.
I was like, I find it quite funny.
So I was like, surely not.
Well, well, well.
And the first thing I thought was great podcast topic.
So I sent that message as I was opening the second letter.
For context, in our podcast chat,
it is a message that says, Ben Rogers versus Bristol Council,
back for round three, and that a reply from me that says,
surely not.
And then one from Ben that just says, we're so back.
So, yeah, and then with you, Les, finds,
I mean, it's a find from,
affected the government.
So you will, they will send bailiffs round.
And they will, will steal your things.
So they got 360 pounds worth of stuff from you.
So they might take the S2000.
Fingers crossed.
No.
So I called them.
I said, what are you doing today?
Just lit.
And then I had to go out of an automated system.
So it said, it says, please just like speak in a simple sentence.
Like what you want.
So I shouted about eight times the same thing.
And it said, can't do that and hung up on me.
And you went, you went, right.
So, right.
So I had this Honda S2000 and then I,
you thought it wasn't yours, but it's yours.
And now I have what was golfed and you thought it was yours.
And they basically, then you can go.
So then you can call the police.
You can call basically either the National Center for National Guard.
The National Center for You Lez Control.
Not what it's called at all.
Basically it's a National You Lez people,
NASA who deal all the zones.
They can't do anything.
They can just give you information on where the zone is and that's about it.
Or you can call Bristol one specifically.
Sorry, hold on.
So all you'll do, you phone them off and they go, we got, hi, hey, Don.
Yeah, I'm very, very well.
Can you help me with this?
And they go, I can't help you that.
But that road, you know, like Stephen's road, that's in.
Yeah.
And they go, yeah.
Yeah, no worries.
And then outside of that, can't help you.
Can't tell you if you've been into the zone or not.
They can't, no, they can't tell you if there's PCNs that've been issued.
But then you can't then appeal the PCN over the phone or do anything about it.
They don't have to go.
So the people who actually deal with the PCNs, untraceable.
I believe they're locked away in a dark room and you can't contact them.
C.I.A. Blacksite.
There is no email.
M.I.5 agents doing that stuff.
They're definitely off the continent somewhere, you know, in a secret lab.
So I called then the local,
I managed to get through that all the way to the system to an actual person.
I spoke to a very helpful lady yesterday who basically told me,
who agreed and was like, yo, what's going on?
Like, this is crazy.
And then she said to me, not to worry.
What I'll do for you is I'll send a little email from our end.
Basically saying, who's with me?
I'll send an email over to the actual PCN people saying these need cancelling.
You'll know, like, this was last Friday.
You'll know by Monday.
It was Wednesday.
Nothing.
So I'm liable to lock the charges currently.
C.I.A. Don't worry, Ben.
I've got you.
Put the phone down and I went, idiot.
M.I.5 agents just turned around and looked at a pair of paylifts and says,
off you go, son.
C.I.A. Yeah.
And then, go get him, Tiger.
Today I sat on hold and no one picked up.
Sounds great to.
So it's good.
It's going well then.
So we could be, you know what?
Next week we might be in for some more.
Yeah.
Well, I hope not.
But tomorrow I'll be calling them and saying, what's going on, please?
This is nice.
You know what?
But will I say it the other way?
You are a forever, never ending content machine.
I just don't understand it.
You turn the biggest W into small L's.
Just a thousand small L's.
You say they're dicing up W's.
Turning them into tiny little L's to talk about in the podcast.
Do you know what?
It's starting to feel personal.
Yeah.
No, I think they're coming for you.
I think they're literally going after you.
Don't they know who you are?
Don't they know that you are?
The mayor of Bristol.
So yeah.
So hopefully by the next podcast we might have a some movement.
Well, she confirmed to me over the phone.
So I have no proof.
She confirmed to me.
She did say to me, those will definitely be cancelled because your car is your
least compliant.
And it is compliant.
Are you being pranked?
Yeah.
It's just someone's just calling you going, you owe us 400 quid.
And then goes, no, I don't.
Yeah.
There's, of course I do.
Ben opened them and they were handwritten in crayon that says you owe me 180 quid.
That's, oh no, not again.
It is a drawing of Ben's car.
Just look, you drove here this time.
Oh, well, what's the story with great interest?
Very much.
I look forward to the conclusion.
Do you know, it feels like, you know, the series goes on for so long.
Yeah.
Everyone's wondering how the finale is going to go down.
Yeah.
That's how I feel with this.
It's going to be disappointing.
It's going to be the end of the sopranos.
It's just going to go black halfway through the podcast.
Oh, spoilers.
Oh, shit.
I haven't watched it yet.
I'm not.
Hey, listen.
Everyone dies in the end.
Unfully.
I'm not just like, being negative to Bristol City Council.
You know, like, I'm just.
Oh, there you go.
He's playing, he's playing the other side now.
He's hoping whatever her name is, is listening.
Going, all right, call it off, boys.
I'm giving, I'm giving honest feedback on my experience,
which has been a tough one for a man that bought a Euro 6 compliant car
and just drove it through a city.
I'll tell you.
They said, you need to meet these regulations and you're okay.
You did that.
And they went, hold on a second.
What do you think you're doing?
How can we get him?
Okay, not fair enough.
You know, I'll cancel them, but I'll leave those two.
Just see what happens, shall we?
Just start a pot a little bit.
Yeah.
It's lovely.
Well, we'll, yeah, we will watch your career with great interest.
Yeah.
Next up, Edwin, you put in here VanlifeMFs.
Right.
I would like a small rant.
Okay.
We, we tend to make fun of lots of people on this podcast.
Yeah.
And I always tend to see a few comments saying,
what, why is it that you're right about this?
We're not.
I'm just, this is just my opinion.
I don't have to be right.
I am right about it, but I don't, I don't necessarily have to be.
Why, why is it that people who live in vans or drive around in vans
all day going to things?
No, no, these are the ones that have like beds in them.
Okay.
Right, right.
Some sort of scruffy dog always lives with them.
Campus conversions.
Why do they have to try so hard to convince me that they're having fun?
Yes.
Jot.
Completely fair.
All over these vans, bleep that.
It's just, I wrote down what I saw.
This is on the way up to heading up to Shedfest.
It was a van that said, home is where we park.
And then on the other side, it said, living our best life.
Shut up.
You know what it is?
If your, if your life is so incredible, go do it.
Why do you, you spent time painting down the side of a van,
living my best life.
I don't care.
Do you, do motor sports, do motor sport cars have,
I'm going really fast down the side of it?
No, just go in your van.
Just drive off.
It really, I cannot, I cannot fathom it.
It feels like the, you know, in the thing, I think you said it Ben,
where it's like people that post lots about like their relationship.
Or even like about friends, like I've got so many friends,
look at me with my friends, that they're probably the most miserable,
or not in all cases, but just in a lot.
Because it's like, I need, I need this outward.
I need you to go, of course he's having fun.
I've seen correlations of this before.
He's shitting into a hole in the ground, of course he is.
This is my point.
At any one time, I'm sure there are, there are good points
to van life camping things, but more often than not,
you're sweaty and it smells and your dogs rolling around in the back,
just getting battered by plates and things.
Just drive your van to the seaside, enjoy it.
Don't make me think that,
don't try and convince me I'm missing out on it.
I can't think of a positive.
I can.
You could, what is it?
The one positive is that you can, you have the freedom to go where you like.
But then at the end of the day, when you are tired
and you just want to go to bed,
you have to go and take a turd in a bucket in a cupboard.
Here's my problem.
My problem is, is that for people that want to do this properly and comfortably,
they spend a lot of money on these vans.
So much money.
Like a lot of money.
Yeah.
Now hotels, in some cases, it depends where you go
and how big of a hotel and fancy you want to go,
but you see your humble premiere in.
On Jor, Airbnb.
No, Jor, even lower.
Go like holiday in, express.
Are they not the same?
I thought they were the same.
Okay.
Go budget hotel, because think,
Avan, you're getting the same experience here.
Avan is not, it's not spacious.
Is it an air-conditioned hotel?
But like a hotel hotel, because there's standards.
An agreement.
An Ibis style.
Oh, and Ibis, we've had a couple nights in Ibis.
Yeah, we have.
That's how normally it works.
It works.
Listen, when it comes to budget hotels,
anyone who's worked at Carthorough or TDC, we are experts.
We're sought by lowest.
Always sought by lowest.
Somewhere to park.
Somewhere to sleep.
Poo that I don't have to take home.
And also, there might be a nice meal there as well.
I could possibly have a restaurant meal or breakfast in the morning,
instead of literally waking up where I chat.
Oh, dinner with the smell of fresh turd.
Can I go to the other end of it?
That really annoys me as well.
Sure.
You know, it's particularly American.
People in their vans, taking two steps.
People in like, particularly America, you know, like an RV.
But what does it extend and go out?
Buy a house.
There is it.
Okay, because, but hang on.
Because what you've done there is you've bought every luxury of your house with you,
and therefore you just have a house.
And guess what it costs?
More than the house.
But in America, I can slightly get it more,
because you drive vast distances, thousands of miles,
and you're not even at the other side.
You drive to the other side of the country tonight.
To sleep.
By the time you get home, you'll have driven most of the breadth of the UK.
I've had it before where I think about like,
I look at a musician's touring schedule and I go,
buddy, they're playing in Nottingham that night.
And the next night, they're playing in Birmingham.
How are they going to do that?
I like, they've got to go from there.
And then you realize that it's like an hour and 10 minutes away.
If that.
Basically, anywhere in the UK is within four or five hours.
We're fine.
I just, you know, it's not so much the vans that I don't like.
Oh, I don't like the vans at all.
I hate them.
But fine, if you'd like them.
But why are you trying?
Just stop trying to convince me that I'm missing out.
When I know I'm not.
Just go shit in peace on the cliff of Dover.
And they've had to extend it normally just to stand up in it.
You get a van and go, I can't fit in there.
I have to make it taller.
People made things to live in and sleep in.
Also, do you know what really noises houses?
Hotels?
Hell, there are super cheap places that you're going to stay in a hostel.
I'd rather stay in a hostel than a van.
And that's saying something.
Agreed.
I would agree with that.
I don't know if I would.
I would.
I don't want to.
At least the hostel costs not a lot.
No van.
How much is the cheapest van?
Five grand, let's say.
For a converted one.
Oh, no, I meant like just done.
Even to an amateur spec.
Because most people do it themselves.
See, okay, now that is something I will say.
If it's a project, you and your loved ones or you and your kids have done together to build,
I can again, I can get a little bit of that.
Well, I don't want to be a part of it.
But that's not what I see the majority of out on the road.
Out on the road, I see these expensive ass behemoths of things that are over a hundred grand
in a lot of cases.
Who's paying that?
Who's spending that money?
I guess you can't finance a hotel night though.
Whereas you can finance one of those.
Yeah, but what's a van to finance?
It's still going to be money.
But what I'm saying is, I guess people's argument to not going to the hotel is that
they can't afford outright to go and do that X times a year.
But let's say it's 20K minimum.
Surely it's 20K minimum to set up a van.
I know you could probably do it cheaper than that if you're buying new stuff,
making stuff yourself.
But still, 10 grand minimum, you could do some lovely holidays.
Awesome.
Really lovely holidays.
Send some love.
Airbnb's are lovely.
You can stay in someone's house.
I have a question for people who build their own bands.
And please genuinely answer me this in the comments.
Why is it that you go to great lengths for everything but your bed?
It's like, oh yeah, I shimmed off this bit of metal and this little bit of the van here.
And I cut this wood specific size so I can keep my knives and forks in a smaller space.
And therefore I can put my milk in more space.
The bed's over there and it's an inch from the ceiling and it's a single bed.
But I can poo with a bit more space.
I cannot turn around at night.
Yeah, that to me was surely the most important thing.
Do you know what?
All the gear came to us the other week and said,
can we do a video with you where we make you really uncomfortable and make you camp?
I hope they never get this back to them.
Right, we're going to make them camp in a van.
People sleeping in their van, they make it.
Now a tool fits in a toolbox.
It only fits in that space.
That's how they make it in their van.
Again, that's where I fit.
That's just enough room.
Top and tails side by side for you and maybe your partner,
if you've been very fortunate enough to get one with your van life.
Then I just find it so tough.
I don't know if I've told this story anywhere.
But at Carthroal, we did a video where we had one of those van life campers.
It was like a 150 grand.
And we built the Vinayo, Mercedes Vinayo was just like under a grand,
which had a hammock that I will live in.
It was a rough one.
Alex was in the Vinayo and Jack and I were in the van life van.
And in the middle of the night, the handbrake came off on a hill
and we rolled down the hill.
And so I woke up.
This is probably why I hate them.
So I have PTSD from it.
I was on a two normal like airline seats or like train seats,
turned sideways and folded down so that you could lay across it.
But there was a space in the middle that was lower.
So it was horrible.
So I basically slept numb at all.
But I woke up from my very small amount of sleep to movement.
And my brain immediately went, my bed moving.
And I did not consider the van was moving.
I considered that someone was moving my bed.
And I sat up and I just and I saw the light that we had.
We had some like lights outside the thing just disappearing slowly away.
And at that point, Jack woke up at the same time and he just went, we're rolling.
And I jumped.
I jumped from the back part of the van through the middle of the front seat
and pulled the handbrake back up.
It was a big hill.
Like we were on quite a large hill.
Both Jack and me would not be alive.
There would be TDC not exist.
All the gear not exist gone.
It would be you and Ethan doing each other.
A lot of fly flaps, its wings.
But my favorite part of the story that I think about quite a lot
is that Alex would have woken up in the morning,
looked out the window for an air.
We were in would have been gone.
Just gone completely.
Woken up to a police cordon, two dead bodies and a smashed up
that was not ours.
And you just got out of a nail.
So anyway, enjoy your van, people.
Yeah, look, I'm sure you will all have benefits
and feel free to put those benefits in the comments.
But I don't see myself enjoying any of those benefits anytime soon.
No.
Give me a lovely comfortable premiere in.
I have a premiere in.
Give me whatever the one.
Whichever one Lenny Henry picks up.
That's obviously premiere in.
That's the one.
Yes, although I've become quite expensive these days.
Have they?
Spends where you stay.
That probably is true.
Oh, Ben and I stayed in one in Tamworth.
That was cheap.
That was a tough one.
Which one was that?
The one before DT performance.
Yeah.
A lot of our hotel trips, I've sort of blocked out my memory.
We had we've had a few good ones recently.
Maybe at some point we'll share some stories.
We have one recently where I mean, Edwin.
That makes it sound like we're sharing the room.
Well, we were a car for a week.
We did every a lot of times.
Ben and I shared a bed one.
We did share a bed one.
Oh my God.
I mean, in fact, Edwin and I also have shared a bed.
Also true. That is how cheap car for all was.
Yeah. It was it was a tough one.
I remember a first trip and they got told we have a hotel.
And then I remember being told you're just sharing.
In a small double.
Also, remember that we've filmed for like 12 hours that day.
We want to go to sleep and then it's just you another six foot man.
Ben put pillows between us.
That's not true.
That's not true.
Are you telling me that's not true?
I was scared what might happen.
I didn't know you very well.
But we have recently where we before when we go
Sukha driver thing the other day where we were told we had the exact same room.
Now that was quite funny.
My room was a hotel room with a double bed.
Probably big room.
Yeah. But quite maybe styled styled in the 1940s executed in 1960s.
And then just stopped.
Yeah.
And then Edwin's room was a modern room with four beds.
With four double bed.
Four double bed.
But the guy took great pains to tell us you've got the exact same room.
He said to us when giving us keys, here's number 15, number 16.
They're both identical rooms.
I think he was having fun with it because I think he was hoping the next morning we go,
I was sure it was the same as mine.
Meanwhile, the storybook type room that I had, Oliver Twist, he could have invited friends over.
You could have sub-lettered your hotel room.
Design of that hotel.
I can only describe it as any episode of Gordon Ramsay Kitchen Nightmares.
That is the hotel.
Perfect.
I do love a motorway side hotel.
There is always a story.
Almost a sort of motel type of beat.
Next up.
This is more ranting.
It will be more ranting.
Here we go.
This is from Edwin.
Choppers on the M40 again.
Right.
So it's up.
Some helicopters or maybe a motorbike.
No, no, no.
No different type.
Sometimes you get stuck in traffic.
We've talked about it many, many times before.
And this time Will and I were going up to Shedfest.
We got stopped.
Basically the moment we got onto the M40.
Now the M40 goes motorway.
You make progress on the M40.
There is absolutely no reason for there to ever be a stoppage on the M40.
There's no speed limit, is there?
There's no speed limit.
There's no gantries, which mean everyone starts slamming brakes.
And there's very few places for unavoidable objects or things to come out of nowhere.
It's just clear and it just goes and it's nice.
Bro, justify the speeding.
I'm doing 70 at all times.
Even in the 30.
No, no, no.
No, M40 is just clear.
I like that it just moves.
We got stopped almost instantly before Oxford.
I was like, this is weird.
There isn't usually a reason to stop here.
And I saw traffic up ahead and I was like, okay, I was sitting there.
We sat for maybe 20 minutes.
Yep.
Coming up for half an hour.
We're talking sat still.
Sat still and then every few minutes you'd move a car.
Didn't we have a traffic person stopping the motorway?
No.
Okay.
There was no traffic person stopping the motorway.
What was happening then on our side?
Badger.
Yeah.
Okay.
Any other, any other?
Or someone just stopped.
Someone, yeah.
I don't know for this.
I'll just stop.
No, nothing.
Oh, nothing.
Not a single thing was happening on our side.
What was happening on the other side?
Someone broken down.
Aha.
And there it is, folks.
I was baffled.
I don't actually believe there's much that makes me more angry in this world.
It just, what are you doing?
There's no, you're, I just, oh man, I don't have words that are appropriate for a podcast.
How is someone else broken down on the motorway?
Means for you to go, I'm going to stop us all because we all, my life is so boring.
I need to have a look at this.
Hundreds of people.
I got to get a look at this.
It's a C3, is it?
Oh, yeah.
Is he dead?
Amazing.
I'll go and tell my mates.
You're all weird, if that's you.
No crash, no nothing.
Just a man who'd broken down in the outside lane with his car and hadn't moved over yet.
I had against it.
Against it, I was late.
That was again the same thing I mentioned a few podcasts ago.
Other side of the motorway, quite a bad crash because the motorway was stopped, fully stopped.
Got to going past it.
Everyone's slam on brakes.
Have a look.
Just go, man.
You have issues.
I will say it before I say it again.
You have issues.
We've talked about it.
Gantry guns, they will become enforceable the moment you vote us to TDC.
You vote us to parliament.
When TDC, the TDC party comes to power, everyone's getting a shot that slows down.
I want a magical staircase like Harry Potter.
It just moves your piece of road on.
I'm going to rehabilitate you.
Into a field.
You just get moved off.
Yeah.
Or catapulted.
You know, like an old school type trebuchet?
Yeah.
I went the traffic officer to usher you onto,
into like the DVSA checkpoint and just load you up onto a trebuchet
and fly you off into a field.
I'm going to crush you.
I'm going to have something else.
Here you go.
I'm going to rehabilitate you.
So, for example, that where people are so interested by a broken down car,
I'm going to create a grandstand just next to it.
And if you look at it for too long, you'll be ushered off the motorway.
You must park your car in a car park where just as an add a bonus,
you can't find your car again because it's quite difficult.
And you'll have to sit in the grandstand for eight to 12 hours and look at it.
At the crash, the cleanup, all that sort of stuff.
The crash, I won't allow.
That one, we can go with your method because that makes you a morally bad person.
Yeah.
Okay.
The broken down person, I'm just going to make you sit there.
Okay.
If it's so interesting, you can sit there for 12 hours.
Would you, would it be that car or would you take them to somewhere where there is
just a broken down car just sitting there and they must do 12 hours of looking?
Yes.
And they can't and they can know how to fix it.
Oh, okay.
It's been really simple.
Wow.
So the next time they go, let me have a go.
I know what to do with this.
I mean, like they have to sit there.
Dizzy's gone, isn't it?
Oh, I could fix this.
I could just get it sorted, but you can't.
Maybe that's why they're slowing down because they, they're going, what is that?
Right.
C3.
I know that Dizzy's go on those.
Do you need a hand?
Do you, have you got one?
I can come over.
I can do it.
And they go, no, I don't.
You go, sorry, can't help me.
I've got tools.
Have I?
Oh, I guess I'll just wait here.
And if any, just sort of appear.
Oh, I'll help.
Or it's like you, when you came over from that crash, you're just going to say,
just open the boot and let the tools fill out.
Oh, the guy that crashed.
I saved his life.
What are you talking about?
Saved his life.
Hey, you, you messed up his boot and got him an angle grinder.
Oh, what did you do?
Me, peacefully, peacefully embedded, unaware, blissfully unaware.
Meanwhile, Ben, Ben at the crash site.
Ben, where's Edwin?
He, you Rubbernacht.
Yeah, it's crazy.
You should have carried on.
Oh, I should have just planned into the, the, the flipped car.
I should have just carried on, driven around him.
Can't move.
No, thanks.
I'm not Rubbernachting.
Thank you very much.
People trying to help him.
You're morally bad people, by the way.
I've machine gunned you to death.
Thank you very much.
I thought I was actually nice.
I think I did for that guy.
I think it was done.
Left.
Probably not true.
You can't park there.
I would have, I would have gone to try and fix the car.
Fix the car.
Now I have a mental image of what it looked like.
No, I'd say to, I get someone else there and be like,
you're taking care of the woman, the woman.
You're taking care of the man in the car.
Yep.
I'm going to go, see what I can do about this car now.
Be like, rear wheel bearings look a bit short.
Just spinning it while it's upside down.
Fuel filter looks old.
Yeah.
Your tank straps are a bit rusty.
Come on, you're crashed.
Point to guy's tyres going, that'll be six points.
Next up, I think on this same trip, you also put in a ML63 towing.
I talked about this on the shed fair stage.
Ben, you haven't heard about this.
We've, I wasn't there.
We've said at, oh yeah, he also, we didn't talk about that.
Ben never came to Shedfest.
Sorry, by the way.
He said the numbers were too small.
No, he was not the event that day.
I wasn't.
I couldn't make it.
Yeah, exactly.
You couldn't make the event.
I couldn't make the event.
Sorry about that.
It wasn't personal.
It was.
What's to you?
The ML63, we always said we'd never seen an ML63,
especially in the UK towing.
I saw an ML63 and it was towing.
Ben, I'm going to put the photo up on screen for the audio listeners.
Can you tell me?
It, it was, it was like a 30 to 40 foot yacht.
That is not an ML63.
No, no, but it was an ML63 towing a gargantuan boat,
like a boat way too big, a boat two to three times the length of the ML63,
just straight down the M40.
But I, I saw it.
I was like, well, that's, you know, we think we're cool with the ML63,
but that's kind of cool.
Also, just, just, why don't you boat for a drive?
Yeah, mate.
It's just down going.
Also, down the M40, quite famously the middle of the country.
Yeah, your landlocked there.
You're going to find a sea round here.
Can't find anywhere.
I've been driving all day.
I'm looking for a canal.
Is there a canal around here?
Float down.
But random, random bit of, if you, if you see an ML63 towing,
we always want to see what it's towing.
We want to know if we're the biggest dogs on the water.
I'm saying rep.
How much does a boat weigh?
That's like that sort of boat.
How long is a piece of string?
How big is that boat?
So surely that's more, that's more than the towing capacity.
That's what I thought immediately after that one.
Including the trailer.
What is that?
A 35 foot boat?
Are we, are we reporting him?
Made out of fiberglass, right?
Boats.
So maybe it's like a TVR.
Super lightweight.
I'm looking at how to weigh on this boat.
Maybe let's underestimate.
Let's say it was a 20 foot.
A 35 foot, oh.
Okay, hold on.
25 foot.
Let's go with that.
That one was definitely 25 feet.
It was, it was at least double the size, double, double L.
Double the length of the ML.
Will you confirm, Edwin, for me, that it's roughly that sort of boat?
Well, how long, you know, but it was a double decker.
It had the, it had the two, it had like an interior type.
What we'll call it a 30 foot yacht.
30 foot yacht, wait.
Here we go.
We are looking at between, now this is Google Earth,
it might be right.
Maybe I don't know lengths of boats.
Typically weighs between 3,175 kilograms and 4,500.
Okay, so it's quite, including a trailer, whatever else is.
Maybe it was closer to 20, but it was at least double the length of the car,
because it was, my eyes immediately went to,
why is there a boat driving down the motorway?
And then I looked in front of it and went, that's an ML 63.
Oh, that's a canoe.
There you go.
Oh, he did it.
V12 Vantage on the screen for Benjamin.
It might have been.
There it is.
But shall we, what have we got next?
Next up, oh, I'll talk about this actually,
because I saw this on the way in this morning.
The GR Corolla.
Yeah.
Yes.
The three cylinder thing.
We weren't getting that.
Yes.
Why did I see a truck full of them this morning?
Oh, because I saw, there was a Mike Ferney video, shout out Mike Ferney,
of him tearing apart a three cylinder Yaris.
And there was one at the, which was Garage Whiff Bits, I think.
I think it was them.
And they had a Corolla GR there.
And I was, at the time, thought, what's he doing?
I thought the whole thing was, yeah, this is cool, but you like getting it.
I saw it genuinely, like brand new cars.
They don't look imported or anything like that.
Not that I could even really tell.
But perhaps five or six right now, my dude, Corolla GRs on the back.
So they had the central pipe, and then like the other pipes come in,
but it was a sort of odd thing.
They were definitely the GR Corolla.
So do we have that?
I think it was.
Is it a grey import?
It is a grey import.
So I'm seeing a few of them, they are off for sale.
And it says they are Japanese imported examples.
The reason that we didn't get them in the UK is due to emissions compliance.
So that's, so they blow them smooth off.
That makes no sense to me.
Yeah, you can't sell that in here because of the UK.
Oh, but you can import one.
You can have that.
Yeah, that's fine.
We can't do it, but you can.
You can have it, just not the easy way.
But I wonder if it was their fleet emissions thing,
where Toyota was saying they will get fined too much
if they bring them to the UK because it brings their average down.
Whereas in Japan, they're like, yeah, we're fine.
But I thought that was quite cool.
I'd like to see one on the road.
I was quite impressed by the Yaris GR.
So in theory, a Corolla, a bit bigger, a bit more powerful, maybe nice.
So that's the same.
They're the same engine.
Same engine, but more beans.
Yeah, I believe that's the technical term.
A lot of beans.
Ben.
Hi.
You here with your prospecting.
You're coming up with ideas.
You're doing finance stuff here.
You said SVJ prices in the US.
Oh, this is just something.
Are you monitoring just in case?
You're one.
I saw a reel of an SVJ, which I've never seen before.
But what is an SVJ?
An Aventador SVJ.
We're talking the Lamborghini Aventador, the best V12 Lamborghini.
The cream of the crop of the Aventador.
And it's the top big boy with the...
It's the one you see on Instagram shooting flames.
Quick question.
What is an Ultime?
It's the last one.
It's the final one.
But is that an SVJ or is that just a normal Aventador?
Don't think so, but I think it might have SVJ.
It's got the same pipes at the rear.
Okay.
Same exhaust.
Okay.
Carry on.
Just a quick question I have.
So SVJ, they're all over Instagram, Instagram car, and...
Best noise.
It's a great noise.
I would quite like one.
And I saw a reel of someone driving one and it said like,
million-pound SVJ.
Sorry, million-dollar SVJ.
And I was like, no.
Is that true?
I was like, million-million-dollar car.
That's not a million-dollar car.
In this country, I don't know the exact prices.
But SVs and SVJs are roughly around half a mil.
They always have been about that much.
America?
I looked it up.
Million.
They're a million-pound car, but million-dollar cars.
But that's kind of across the board, across the Lamborghinis in general.
Diablo's they're worth much more.
Mercilago's are worth double.
A manual, a manual Mercilago in America, million-dollar car.
I'm going through now.
Now, you must remember, Ben, there is also the exchange rate to factor in.
So a half-million-pound car in the UK is going to be $600,000 to $650,000.
Well, this one is one point...
There's one for $2 million.
There's one for $1.2.
There's one here for $900,000.
500,000 pounds is $680,000.
So what's a million dollars in pounds?
735,000 pounds.
Okay.
So which I think is actually similar to what I might be thinking of SVs.
There's been some people talking about this recently where it's either SV or SVJs,
or perhaps both, that have just...
I mean, it's mainly the listing prices.
So seeing a sold price, I haven't seen that yet,
but just them being listed for silly money.
6, 7, 800,000 pounds.
I have got a couple here.
We've got 975,000, 675, 675, 600, 800, 900.
So yeah, these are all the UK cars.
Wow.
But you can get one for...
No, UK.
Yeah.
You might be able to get one.
Ben's doing off-market.
That's Ben made cars.
I'm looking on auto right now.
He's getting them for five grand.
So, okay, maybe it's not that big a difference that I thought,
but still, calling that a million-pound car is crazy.
So you're saying that one's sold?
Or is that an auction thing you're talking about?
I just verify that.
That is always the thing worth remembering, is that?
But these are cars listed.
Sometimes people in the UK will try and follow one from a US price
to see if it kind of follows on.
Maybe they are selling for that.
I don't know.
The other thing to remember is that the UK,
and a lot of our foreign creamers will remind us of this,
is that we have the most ridiculously cheap car market in the UK.
Our prices are notoriously very low.
Because, and a lot of people will say,
well, it's a right-hand drive car.
It's a UK-delivered car.
It's rarer.
Give it its rarer, because we're the only ones in the next 2,000,
3,000 miles that want it.
Our other options are South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Japan,
and then some of the Indonesian countries.
That's it for right-hand drive.
So, America with left-hand drive cars, they're more sought after anyway.
So, that's why...
I watched the...
There was a Bonhomme's auction at the Miami Grand, Miami?
The Miami Grand Prix.
And a lot of the really expensive cars were not hitting anywhere near their S&S.
They were just about touching them with some of the fees,
because obviously the fees are insane.
There was...
What I did find quite interesting was...
I can't remember the exact number, but it was a Veyron.
Again, no idea how it could be a rough car.
I have no idea.
It was a red Veyron, fully red, with black wheels.
Early ones.
Early, yeah.
Sold for...
I think it would have been under a million pounds.
Do you think that's how much?
Like my Armstrong's...
Yeah, as a project.
And not my cans were.
Yeah.
And that was a car being sold at an auction seemingly fully functioning.
Again, might be a story behind that.
I don't know.
And there's also fees.
But it is...
Some of these...
This is just big, big...
Watching auctions is actually quite interesting.
I was watching it.
I was like, I have no interest in these things,
but just seeing them go for way under was...
Yeah.
I love an auction.
Auction is...
It's so entertaining.
I am a...
Any...
I was watching...
I'm a dick.
I'm addicted to them.
Any weekend that there is an auction on,
a car auction,
whether it's small scale, cheap,
I'm watching it.
I love it.
It's just...
It's so cool.
It's just random stuff going that sometimes goes for dirt cheap.
And some things that go mental.
My mate was looking at a 100 series Land Cruiser,
which is the same as what the Auto Alex guys had.
And we were watching this auction
and things were going for nothing.
Like, absolutely nothing.
They weren't...
None of the cars hit their reserves
and half of them were going for less than half of their estimates.
Got to this car, which he was interested in.
It went for like one and a half times the...
What do you call it?
Lower estimate.
It just went way over.
Some cars just go.
One of the things we did in Monterey last year,
which we, I think, went to,
was the Armstead Abbey's auction.
Yes.
That is...
I love it.
Also, it's so entertaining.
You've got...
Yeah.
The car is number one impressive.
It's there in person, which is mental.
You're seeing the number gut,
which is cool.
And there's people around the room,
all like, you can hear them talking
and they're all like,
they're trying to egg each other on.
There's all these different people.
They're big, you go, try it out.
It's just a great show to watch.
You know what it is?
Car auctions are to cars what music are,
what concerts are to music, if that makes sense.
You can listen to it at home and you're like,
yeah, I like this song.
I'm kind of getting there.
But then when you go to a concert, I've heard the vibe is there.
Everyone's like,
the atmosphere is like, yeah.
The ambience.
That's what it's like.
Absolutely electric.
You look at an SVJ and you're like, oh, cool.
SVJ rolls up on an auction lot
and there's like 100 people in the room who want it.
You feel it.
I just...
I just...
With the Mercy Lago, you felt it.
The whole room, the moment that car came up,
everyone was kind of, okay,
this old land river.
He said, right, here we go.
Here's the Mercy Lago.
Everyone kind of sat up and was like, here we go.
That was my first experience and I had to ask you
because I think it was literally the second or third lot.
And two or three cars had sold obviously before that.
I don't know if they hit reserve or what.
No one said anything.
And then this car sold, sold to someone in the room
and there was applause.
Yeah.
I was like, why did everyone applaud that?
But again, it's like a sport.
Yeah.
It was like, there was again,
they applauded maybe because it was someone in the room
and it's like, cool, there's someone there.
So you can applaud that.
But also there was another few cases where
if there's a bit of a battle.
Exactly.
Where it's like, there's some towing and throwing.
And everyone's like, I love this battle.
Yeah.
It's like, it's like going watching gladiators,
people going like, who's going to spend?
I'm not, I'm not invested in this.
I'm just here to watch the sport.
Yeah. One will triumph over the other.
And it's a good battle to see.
But the battle is just throwing money at each other.
I love the, I don't know if it's,
I think it's only really high in auction obviously,
but like there are some of these ones where they send a man over
to the person who's bidding.
And then that person has to.
To egg them on.
To egg them on.
And it's just great to watch.
You can just watch people.
And obviously these people are at a certain level there.
They are multi-zillionaires buying,
some of them are buying a car just to,
just to mug off the other person.
And I'm going to be like, yeah, I can buy it and you can't.
But it's so cool just to stand there and watch.
I really would love to do it.
I'd love to be an auctioneer for a day.
We've said this, we said we'd love to do it for a video.
But just, it wouldn't need to be anything crazy hectic cars.
But I want to be able to be that person,
egging them on, going, come on, sir.
Don't you see yourself in this beautiful vintage,
Nissan Primera.
You didn't come all the way to Birmingham to lose out on this.
By 500 pounds, did you?
And I've got them on the phones here in Hong Kong,
bidding on the Nissan Micra.
It's great. I love it.
I find it.
When we went to the one in Monterey,
which again, I think you mentioned, we might have gone to.
We might go at something.
Um, it was interesting looking, walking around,
because there's a lot of people there
and a lot of people get access.
They're not all bidding, some of them are media,
some of them are friends,
some of them are just there to have a look around.
It's trying to spot who, who has the money.
Who's the big dick swinger here?
You can see some of them, they look like they might be.
But that was the ones that looked like they are.
Probably aren't.
We, that's, that's what we saw.
So doesn't anyone in a big in like a suit,
like a proper three piece suit?
I think they're rich compared to like us.
Yeah. No, of course.
But compared to people in there.
No, we did.
We saw, I think, I don't know if we talked about it.
The guy that was, there was a guy in a white wife beater,
and it wasn't like a fresh wife beater.
It was like clearly washed quite a few times,
like a little bit gray jeans and some crazy shoes
with a, with a modello beer in hand and smoking a cigarette.
Yeah.
And he was walking around this car and I was looking at him.
I was like, this already feels like this dude has money.
And then walked up to me and he said, have you, to you,
said, have you seen that guy's watch?
I don't know nothing about watches.
And you, you were like, yeah, that's what,
a million dollar watch or something?
Yeah. So it was, it was, I can't remember exactly what it was,
but you know watches and you're like, that's real.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I mean, also in that context,
you would assume that it probably is as well.
But he like, he like set his beard down on the side
and started looking around the speed tail.
He was like poking it as well, like touching it,
which not really meant to do.
But yeah, there was another guy in that who I think,
I can't verify.
I think he was wearing sandals and he was like, I think...
It's Dr. Miro.
Yeah. No, he would wear no shoes.
He would be with no shoes.
But it's, it's the, and then I think if you go even on one level
above that, like billionaire, billionaires,
they just sit on the sofa and go, I'll buy that.
I also think some of the super rich ones, they're just not there.
No, they're not.
That's what I mean.
Someone else is doing the bidding or they're doing it.
Someone else is doing it for them on the phone or online,
or they've just set their bid and then gone, yeah.
Yeah.
But I think a lot of them, the super rich ones,
probably quite enjoy the whole spectacle of being the one
outbidding the other rich person is a thing in itself.
It's crazy.
Seeing that for the first time there, that was the first time I'd...
My whole experience with auctions currently,
apart from the MR2, the MR2 was my second experience of an auction.
The first was RM Sotheby's, where a Ferrari sold for $26 million.
Meanwhile, the Westbury car auction, where a Kia Rio was bid from
£100 to £110,000.
Some fantastic prices.
It was really good.
The first cars that went through there, God, they were going well under.
Also, the difference between the guys in Monterey,
throwing out hundreds of thousands of pounds of bids, we're not caring.
Meanwhile, watching Will look like he's about to shut,
his body's about to shut down while throwing one extra bid on.
Did we ever talk about the man who approached you, Ben,
at the Westbury car auction?
I don't know if we meant to mention the podcast.
Oh, my good God.
I think we can talk...
Okay, he approached one of us.
Got him.
We were all stood together, so who knows who he was talking to.
It could be he was talking into the voice.
But the context of the next part, we'll tell you who he was talking to.
At the Westbury car auctions, look, there were some people there.
There were certainly some interesting folks there.
There were some interesting cars there.
It was an interesting auction to be sure, and we lost out on it.
But anyway, a man approached Ben.
We were filming, and in fairness, we did say beforehand to them,
can we film?
They said, yeah, all good.
Yeah.
They kind of said it like, yeah.
They gave us some parameters.
Yeah, they said, can you just not shove cameras in people's faces?
And we were like, yeah, that's fine.
It's mainly going to be on us and just off the stage of the cars going.
But then this man just rocked up, quite chill, actually.
He walked up and said, basically said to Ben,
he asked you if you'd captured him at all on camera.
Which I luckily had not.
Which you had not.
And then he...
There wasn't a threat involved, but he basically said,
that's good because I'm out on license at the moment.
I'm a wanted man.
No, no.
The two different...
The thing is, I think on license means you've been let out.
Yeah.
So you're not wanted.
I think it just means that you are not meant to be doing that sort of thing.
Yeah, if you might.
It just means that you're out, but he's out on car base,
J.P.R.Y., and he shouldn't be doing it.
He should be around those things.
And he was not in the video, and he was not captured at all.
But, and it wasn't a...
He's actually very nice about it.
He made a bit of a joke out of it.
But always on selling.
And bearing in mind, that is...
You don't get that at RMSothebies?
No, at RMSothebies, they offer you another glass of champagne.
They don't say that they're out.
He's got for his death sentence in West Precourt or Car Hawksons.
Yeah, that was quite worrying.
But anyone a Monterey Carwick this year that has an auction, just, you know...
Hey, we'll come up...
We'll certainly be there.
Let's off on the stage.
Right, here we go.
He's got...
Who wants a Ferrari?
I don't know.
What's this, an F40?
Come on.
Let's go.
Come on.
Right, starting the bid off at £10,000.
£10,000.
I'll take 11.
Take 11.
Going up.
It's super small increase.
Ignoring everyone and going, Ben, in the back,
we'll take that bid.
Thank you very much.
That's up over there.
Let's just put a bid in of £75 million, thank you very much.
So you've got that in the bank account.
Right, Ben, you put in here V8s back in F1.
V8s are allegedly making a return to F1.
Okay.
I don't know about F1.
Neither did anyone else here.
So we're going to try our best.
I'm going to proposition you, Ben.
They were V8s and V12s, not old, old.
And they went to four-cylinder turbos, like 80s.
Something like that.
It was a six-cylinder, I believe.
Okay.
What's the tag turbo?
Yeah, tag turbos were a small 1.5-litre V6.
But then there was a BMW that was a four-cylinder,
I want to say.
Possibly.
There was a lot more variation.
And then it was V12s, then V10s.
V10s.
Yeah, V10s are like early 2000s and V8s.
And then V8s again.
And now we're in the hybrid era.
Six cylinders, which is a V6, but a 1.6-litre V6 hybrid.
And now this year, or this season,
they have, I believe, gone to a 55-50 electric split, basically.
But there's a lot of controversy because up until now,
you've been able to drive a car.
Whereas now, it's more tactical because the car ran out of energy
and the battery would need to be recharging.
And a lot of drivers say they don't drive very well.
So, randomly, there has now been an announcement from a man.
Bernie Eccleston.
Oh, the head of the FIA.
Well, I actually wasn't that far off that he was.
President Mohammed Ben Suleyem.
Ben Suleyem.
Suleyem.
Oh, yeah, I can't pronounce names.
I'm very sorry.
He used to be a rally driver, I want to say.
Really?
I think that might be true.
He watches Matt Armstrong.
Yeah.
I think he watches TDC.
He watches Matt Armstrong.
Yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
How do you know this?
Because I've seen it.
He began his career as a rally driver in the 1980s.
He became one of the most successful Middle East rally championship
drivers, winning 14 titles.
Yo, shout out.
That's how you should be.
If you're in charge of an organization like that,
you have to be in the know.
You've got to be like, yeah, man, I was doing skids too back in the day.
Guys, I understand this.
Because I saw randomly this morning a reel from...
It was Miami this weekend, but F1.
Don't worry, if you're not into F1, we won't stick on it too long.
But Martin Brundle does a walk around of pits interviewing people.
And usually, from what I understand, it's people that are like...
F1, cars go so fast.
And that's it.
That's kind of vapid bullshit.
But he went up to Colin Farrell.
And he said, like Colin Farrell, and a Colin Farrell took it through his
glasses and said, oh, Martin, this is amazing.
I've always wanted to do this.
He said, are you into F1?
He said, me and my mates in 1998 went and watched Monza on it.
Like we bought the cheapest flight we could on Ryanair.
Shared a hotel room and watched it.
I love it.
That's cool.
You need people that want to be there, should be there,
because that makes sense.
Like it makes us going to F1 makes no sense.
We don't know anything about it.
But Ben going, you like F1, right?
Do I?
We used to, right?
I dabbled at times.
You were on the grids at one point.
Yeah, you know, I do a couple of laps, show them how it's done.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it's OK.
OK.
I just don't feel much towards it.
But do you think you would if they had V8s?
Yeah, probably.
It's just, I don't know.
But what if the V8s they go for, they're like the Cadillac V8?
It's not it's not like high end twin turbo.
You know, it's a seven and a half litre.
Just a mean cam in it.
300 horsepower.
Yeah, just with a carb sticking out the top.
A leather bench.
That's what the Cadillac's coming back in.
What made me all get to you in one moment, Ben?
This is one small and an anecdote.
Is the V6s, they sound better in person,
but they still they don't they don't get your bits fizzing.
But when we went to Goodwood members meeting,
parked up, we were walking towards towards where the auction bit was.
But at that time, we weren't allowed access because it didn't have a ticket.
There was one of the, I think it was one of the V10 F1 cars.
I think it was Ventson bottom, possibly driving Cartman.
But anyway, someone else will know.
But a proper F1 car with one of the NA, I think it was a V10.
And it sounded.
It is just hearing that from the car park.
You'd sell tickets just doing that.
If you sold tickets on the door of people going,
where's that noise coming from?
I will pay to go and watch that.
You don't get that with the modern stuff.
I, as a non F1 person, would as an experience just once,
pay to go and see it just so I could see like,
because everyone says you feel it in your chest.
And after hearing that from a mile and a half away, it was ridiculous.
And then imagine 20 of them.
Yes, just like nuts.
So he said that they're targeting 20, 30,
one year before the maturity of the current regulations.
He said it's going to happen, but it is a matter of when.
Interesting.
Now, sorry.
He also said that they will probably go away from the 50-50 power split as electric.
No matter what.
I don't understand this.
Why is it that F1 redes the regulations every three years?
And it's completely different.
Why?
You just bought in this whole new thing and now you're going,
oh, we've done four races.
So I guess it's probably time to just like scrap the whole thing,
do new engines and get rid of hybrids, shall we?
The, I wonder, because F1 is now, it was never popular in America,
but now it's since the Netflix series, right?
It's become incredibly, there's quite a lot of races in the U.S.
and then now pushing over to being lots of races in America.
I wonder if that's where the V8 thing of or bigger engine,
but mainly V8 gone.
We'll get more of them if we get V8s in.
A nice V8 motor for Hemmy and it.
They've all got super chargers.
They just go, I'd love that.
I would love that.
I hope they won't.
It would be a shame to never have experienced that in my lifetime.
Going to see the F1 and hearing that.
Yeah.
We were quite lucky with Silverstone last year
and again, it was good, but it just hasn't gone.
Again, for a lot of people, they like the sport and the racing.
Yeah.
The noise doesn't matter, but the noise has to add to the theater of it.
At least being there anyway.
So please, I guess they're probably selling enough tickets
and got enough viewers that they probably don't care.
But for us, come on, V10s, V8s minimum, V10s please.
Next here, Edwin, you've put spread to the gospel.
Creamers in the comments.
I can't remember.
This is just to do.
This is just a quick shout out to Creamers.
We did it earlier on, but it seems to be in...
Sorry, that was it.
It was the Adam C video.
Adam C, the forefather of car YouTube.
He was there when I was like 15, 16.
He was already filming cars leaving events.
And there was an event, and there was the event at Bista recently.
And the top comment on Adam C's video was...
That's J.K. bought Will's Glado.
Shout out to the Creamers.
And that's...
You know what, I like seeing that.
We're not...
The Creamers aren't...
You're not overriding, but you're just letting them know.
Creamers here.
Oh, the fellow Creamer here.
I like that.
Shout out to the Creamers.
You're out there in the world, letting each other know.
That's what the community is about.
Spread to the gospel, because also, I think...
Well, we think that a lot of TDC viewers don't know about the podcast.
True. This is true.
It was originally on the second channel,
and then it moved over to its own channel.
And I think when that happened, I think a lot people assumed it just stopped.
Yes.
So, hey, my friends...
And it doesn't need to be anything in your face.
You don't need to be plastering it on buildings.
But just every now and then, I like to see a little...
Any Creamers here?
Creamer here.
I see it in the Instagram comments as well.
I've seen so many random car reels.
I mean, in the comments, there'll be a mention of Creamer in there.
It's good to see.
It's good to see.
I love it.
Also, we need to find...
I need to go back and find that when we read out the comment saying
the first mention of Creamer, and us saying,
we're not going to call ourselves that.
I know what podcast it is.
I know it, because it was when we were...
In Bedford.
In Bedford.
On a train track.
So, we need to go back and we will need to night to this man.
He might be...
There's almost a year then, because that was when I bought...
Over a year.
Well, been March of last year.
Wow, wow, wow.
Crazy.
It was when we took the project card that no one's ever seen to...
Of course, last year.
Which is many.
I want to know and feel free to put this in the comments of Spotify or YouTube
or wherever you can comment.
Do any of you only know the podcast and then found the YouTube channel?
I think it's probably a very small amount of you.
Interesting.
But are any of you...
Like, are you OG creamers?
I like, are you...
Not OG as such.
Creamer.
Creamer by nature.
You started out with cream.
You didn't TDC and then cream.
Yeah.
You started out with cream and then maybe you TDC.
Maybe we say TDC and you go, what the bloody hell is a TDC?
We're saying, oh, we did this this week and they're like, that sounds amazing.
I'll be like, I'll be like...
Wait till I watch this.
It'd be amazing to see that.
I'll say, why are you doing all that off-camera?
You could make a good channel out of that.
Because I'd like to know that.
So, if you are a person who came across the cream podcast first without the channel,
tell us how you found us.
And one more thing.
It's like the end of a survey.
It's like, how did you hear about us?
Was it an internet search?
Previous word of mouth.
Previous customer.
I also want to know another thing.
This is...
You know, may have this.
Has anyone become friends of anyone because of cream?
Or better their relationship?
Or has it ruined their relationship?
I think that.
Or maybe ruled their relationship.
All right, very good.
I want to know that.
I want to know if anyone's...
Because I see a lot of people interact with each other.
Using cream.
And I want to know if anyone's become friends.
Yeah, we might need to get a cream car club going.
We can find local creamers in your area who want to meet us.
Swapping left and right.
They're really sure they'll know.
So, you can work on cars together.
Shout out.
But it's a picture of their car and you can reject them.
You can go out and speak to them.
mx5 rejects.
Reject.
There really should be an event at some point where...
We don't worry.
I know we say it a lot and the merch.
But that is...
Cream is our favourite little project.
It's not going anywhere.
We love it and we love you guys.
It's in the works, guys.
Someone did have a t-shirt at Shedfest that says I'm a creamer.
So, he made it himself.
We realise that's how desperate you guys are getting for this stuff.
It's coming.
We're just kind of particular about everything.
But also, bootleg merch.
Seasoned assist is in the mail.
We're coming for you.
Yeah, you're like a moonshiner.
We're going to be hunting you down the ninking hole.
Jesus.
We don't really have a big thing to end on.
But we do have pucker pies to talk about.
You know what?
It's a classic podcast trope, isn't it?
When was your last pie, just off topic?
On some Saturday.
Wow.
At Shedfest.
What kind of...
It was a chicken and leek pie.
Ah, it's one of my favourites.
What a fan that...
You know what?
We said it since only in the TVR.
I'm going full England.
Pies are now back on the menu.
Pies with a meat inside.
Pies with a meat inside and a sauce that doesn't really have many ingredients.
No, it's just...
It's mainly meat fat.
Yeah.
It's mainly brown sauce.
Was it your last pie?
No, I was about to talk about if this podcast had a pie, what would it be?
Let's hold on.
We'll get onto this.
Just based on the name.
What would it be?
We'll end on that.
What would it be?
Cream of mushroom soup.
Okay.
I thought you were about to say what I thought you were going to say.
Cream of mushroom.
Oh, no.
Okay.
That's tough.
I've just realised.
Cream of...
That was quite innocent, actually.
I thought you'd both clock it instantly.
No, didn't I?
That was quite nice.
That shows we're good people.
But I don't even know what we're talking about.
We don't look at carcasses.
An email from Kofi.
A man.
No, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
Hi, Will, Edwin, Ben.
In my village, there is a fish and chip shop.
Hell, yes.
It is your typical greasy chip.
That's making me feel that stuff.
God, I could...
Bad day to be a haddock right now.
God, bad day to be a chip shop at 10 o'clock.
It's your typical greasy chippy which hasn't changed since the 90s.
In the corner, they have a very worn and faded advert from Pucker Pies.
Now, not only is this ad absurd,
but am I correct in thinking that this is a TVR Griffith?
Would be interesting to know your thoughts
on this frankly mental image on the podcast.
Now, for the audio listeners,
we've pulled up the old-school ad for Pucker Pies,
which says,
Pucker Pies socialize with Pucker Pies.
And then it says,
Don't compromise, which is their very tagline.
But it is a top-down shot of quite a yuppie-style man.
I think he is, you know,
he is upwardly mobile in the corporate industry of the 90s.
Feeding a chip to his woman next to him.
His significant other.
Very, very nice one.
But my question is, why is she not just eating the chips herself?
Because she's got one of my first questions as well.
She does have a chip on the fork.
She has one as well.
So maybe it's one of those classic, we feed each other.
How greedy?
She's got a chip on the fork.
And she's got one of his.
She's got one of his.
It gives one.
And he's got a drive.
More importantly, he is in the driver's seat of a TVR Griffith.
So I want to know how this came about.
Was it like the N.D. had a Griffith?
They were like, yeah, we need to get a shot of something,
something kind of cool, kind of snazzy.
But the thing I like most is that they're in this like 90s corporate,
professional type, type attire and vibe.
Is that, you know, is that a Pucker Pies train to attract?
Yeah.
We need to attract the young, upwardly mobile people.
Get the advert with a TVR in it.
I just don't understand how you end up in this situation.
Also, right.
Quick one, Ben, what is the food of the day?
What?
What is there?
What are they eating?
Well, I can't really see.
They just have, like, whether the shift to it is in the car,
for those who are listening, there is just,
he's holding a healthy serving of chips and a whole Pucker Pie.
But this is my point.
They're not eating the pie.
They're eating the chips.
Yeah, that's true.
This is not a good advertisement.
It will be difficult to eat that pie in their current predicament.
Yeah.
Especially in that car, which for the audio listeners,
is basically white slash cream or off-white interior.
I wouldn't want to be seeing the Pucker Pie.
I imagine a Pucker Pie in my head as well is always steak and ale.
Yeah.
So it's a brown sauce.
It's a brown sauce all over the champagne.
The thing is as well, the moment you get driving,
that's going everywhere.
Yeah.
If it's a Griffith 500, there's speeds going on.
And you can't store it anywhere.
And there's sideways going on.
I mean, the only place you have is in the double hump in the middle,
which is famously, it's three different humps at different heights,
meaning nothing flat can be stored on it.
So that pie, done for.
Different sizes of Pucker Pie, I hope that's why.
It feels like they just had the car available.
I'm like, well, yeah, that looks flash.
Also, it was a Ferrari too far.
Yeah.
They went, and Porsche is not quite right.
No.
The TVR feels just right.
They said, a Ferrari is a bit flash.
We don't want to.
That's not our image.
We have pies.
What is pies?
An ST1.
English.
It's TVR.
It's an ST1, some sort of.
Not a Cosworth.
No, a Cortina.
Like an XR3 or something.
Something like that.
The Humble.
Perfectly.
Do you know what it is?
It all goes back to Instagram influencers.
It's the thinking man's pie mobile.
Why are they sharing one pie?
That's what's up.
Sometimes a pie is too much for one person.
I disagree.
You at all times.
A pie is famously created as being a enclosed one person meal.
Yeah, no, I would agree.
Sharing a pie feels a bit odd.
It is a bit odd, but.
It's like a his a meal.
It's sealed up.
That's your meal.
You can eat the wrapper as well if you want.
But can you?
Yeah, it's like you can eat the pastry.
And then the inside is your like stew.
I was like, why are you sharing the pie?
Ben is absolutely chowing down on that metal tin thing that it comes with.
It's a bit chewy, but it's all right.
Do you know what the worst pie is?
Oh, I've had this a few times.
Is it the plastic it comes in?
No, no.
It's the you know, when you get a pie and you go, that's good.
You take it out of packaging.
Lovely pie.
So it says cook in the metal container and you put cook it.
And then you go to take it out of the metal container and it's not a pie.
Only the top is a pie.
I've never experienced that in my life.
I think you've just been scammed out of pies.
I had it was like the metal tin full of the meat sauce.
And the top was a pie top.
It's a faux pie.
You had a pie that had a rim protector on it.
Yeah, you got a steely.
Just being refurbished.
I've never been subset in my entire life.
That is crazy.
You got scammed on pies, man.
I did.
Your pastry has been demolished.
Exactly, whatever that means.
Will, your last pie, please?
I'm not a big pie, man.
I can't remember my last pie.
I had a pie that had chicken in it.
What was that?
I'm going to say it was two years ago.
Two years?
What I need to do, you know what?
The cream kami.
Oh, someone hold on.
Hold on.
Sorry.
Pies.
Someone at the
at Shedfest said,
I've worked out the best kami name for you.
Okay.
And usually, look, as we've said it before,
99.9% of you are perfect, lovely people.
There's some of the dross,
some of the kami names and things we had,
but there was one fantastic one.
Look, we're looking at us right in the face the whole time.
Cars rule everything around meat.
Wow, around meat?
Yeah.
Because it's kami about beef.
Exactly.
I expect there to be barbecues.
You can eat...
Hey, there you go.
That's what I'm saying.
The pies are there.
Pucker pies, proudly sponsoring Cream's first event.
We love that.
That's not true.
I'm a great TVR.
Maybe it could be.
If anybody can reach out to Pucker Pies, don't do that.
I haven't had a pie in months.
Or if you work at Pucker Pies.
If you work at Pucker Pies,
Pucker Pies is getting tough.
Can we recreate this?
But it's me feeding Ben the chip.
Oh, I'm up for that.
God, I wanted a pie and then you said fish and chips.
And the fish and chips has really got me going.
If we could end this podcast,
prompt us.
Let's get a fish and chips tonight.
Come on then, gang.
I don't know how I'm going to do that.
It's nine o'clock at night.
Yeah, let's all have a go at it.
Thank you very much for listening to this.
All over the place, Cream podcast.
We'll be back next week as always.
Thank you for listening.
Pucker Pies and everything around me.
I want the haddock.
Chip and chips.
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MOT jitters, oil-leak worries, and a tire hunt kick off the episode, with the hosts also swapping wheels and planning what to sell next. The conversation then turns into a used-car detective story using Carvertical and MOT history for mileage and corrosion clues. Later, the “secret supercar” debate heats up via Volkswagen’s Nardo and broader arguments about what makes modern supercars feel special—plus a Bristol ULEZ/“Eulez” compliance saga involving a Honda S2000.
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