C.R.E.A.M. #85 - Murci Is HERE, Clio Fires and Ben Wants an Alfa?

C.R.E.A.M. #85 - Murci Is HERE, Clio Fires and Ben Wants an Alfa? C.R.E.A.M. (The TDC Podcast) · Jun 4, 2026

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Car

RS6

“RS6” is a fast, performance Audi. It’s the kind of car people bring to special track days because it’s strong and quick.

Place

Dunsfold is the UK airfield-turned-racing venue where the Top Gear track is based. It’s a popular location for filming and for track-style driving events, which is why the hosts talk about unloading and staging a car there.

Topic

Top Gear track

The “Top Gear track” refers to the specific test/filming circuit used by the Top Gear show at Dunsfold. It’s often used for controlled driving, so it becomes a practical substitute when a car’s schedule goes sideways.

Term

trickle charger

A trickle charger is a gentle battery charger that slowly keeps the battery full. It helps a car start reliably without you having to charge it aggressively every time.

Term

jump it

Jump starting means using another battery to give your car enough power to start. If you have to do it every time, the battery or the car’s charging system may be having trouble.

Term

instrument crust cluster

The “instrument cluster” is the dashboard screen/gauges that show things like speed and warning lights. If you jump start the car the wrong way, it can sometimes cause electrical problems in the dashboard electronics.

Term

bump start it

Bump starting means getting the car moving and then engaging it so the engine starts without using the starter motor. It usually only works on manual cars and doesn’t fix the real cause if the battery keeps dying.

Term

power packs

“Power packs” are portable devices that can give a dead car enough power to start. If they don’t work, it usually means the connection isn’t good or the battery/electrical system is in worse shape than expected.

Car

Lamborghini Aventador

The Lamborghini Aventador is a very high-performance supercar from Lamborghini. It’s known for being fast and visually dramatic. In the episode, it’s mentioned because someone brought their Aventador to the event.

Car

Volkswagen Lupo

The Volkswagen Lupo is a small Volkswagen hatchback. It’s being name-dropped to show how different it is from a supercar in terms of money and everyday ownership.

Term

PPF

PPF is a clear protective layer you stick on the car’s paint. It helps prevent small rocks and debris from chipping or scratching the paint.

Term

stone chip

A stone chip is when a small rock hits the paint and leaves a little mark. If it’s not fixed, it can eventually cause bigger paint problems.

Term

fuses

Fuses protect the car’s electrical system. If something draws too much current, the fuse blows to stop damage.

Term

battery out

“Battery out” means the car’s battery was removed or disconnected. People do this when they’re working on the car’s electrical system.

Term

wheel well

The wheel well is the space around the tire. They’re saying the battery is located in that area on this car.

Term

jack stands

Jack stands are the safety supports that hold a car up while you work underneath it. They’re used instead of trusting the jack by itself.

Term

TD6

“TD6” sounds like a shorthand the hosts use for a score or rating. The exact meaning isn’t clear from this snippet alone.

Term

misfire

A misfire means one of the engine cylinders isn’t firing correctly. When that happens, the car may run rough and the dashboard will usually show a warning like the check engine light.

Term

check engine code

The check engine code is like an error message stored by the car. It tells the mechanic which part of the engine system is having a problem.

Term

left and right bank

On a V-engine, cylinders are split into two sides. “Left and right bank” means the problem is showing up on both sides of the engine, not just one.

Term

coil packs

Coil packs help create the spark that lights the fuel in the engine. If they’re weak or failing, the engine can misfire and the car will warn you with a check-engine light.

Car

Lamborghini Diablo

The Lamborghini Diablo is a high-performance supercar made by Lamborghini. People talk about it because it’s an early model in Lamborghini’s modern supercar lineup. In the episode, it’s referenced as the “Diablo” era of parts and design.

Company

Euro spares

Euro spares is a parts supplier the host used online. They sell replacement parts for European cars, including Lamborghini parts.

Car

BMW X5

The BMW X5 is a luxury SUV, meaning it’s a bigger family-style vehicle with a comfortable ride. It’s made to be practical for daily driving and also feel more “sporty” than a basic SUV. The episode references it as a car someone could jump into quickly.

Term

lean

“Lean” means the engine isn’t getting enough fuel for the amount of air. When that happens, the engine can run too hot and may misfire.

Term

misfiring

A misfire is when the engine doesn’t burn fuel correctly in one or more cylinders. It can feel rough and can sometimes be a sign something’s wrong with fuel, spark, or mixture.

Brand

fab speed X pipe

Fab Speed makes aftermarket exhaust parts. An “X-pipe” is a shaped section in the exhaust that helps gases flow differently and can make the car sound more intense.

Term

sports cats

“Sports cats” are performance-focused catalytic converters. They’re meant to let exhaust gases pass more easily than stock, which can improve flow and change the sound.

Term

cold starts

A cold start is when you start the car after it’s been parked for a while. The engine is still “cold,” so it runs differently at first, and the exhaust can sound louder.

Term

pops and bangs and crackles

Those “pops and crackles” are the little bangs you hear from the exhaust. They usually happen when fuel/air doesn’t burn perfectly in the engine and instead ignites in the exhaust.

Term

tips

In exhaust talk, “tips” are the visible outlet ends of the exhaust system. Tip size and shape affect how the exhaust plume looks and can slightly influence perceived sound and flow characteristics.

Term

shaft

Here, “shaft” means the part of the exhaust pipe that sticks out. People talk about it like it’s part of the exhaust’s look and presence at the back of the car.

Car

Gallardo

The Lamborghini Gallardo is a classic Lamborghini supercar with a V10 engine. Here, the host mentions it because they were nervous about working on it, unlike the current car they’re tinkering with.

Term

coolant pipe

A coolant pipe is a hose/pipe that moves the car’s cooling fluid around the engine. If it’s damaged, the car can run hot, so it’s something you’d want to fix.

Term

door strut

A door strut is the support that helps your car door open and stay where it should. If it’s worn out, the door won’t move smoothly or hold position well.

Term

clutch

A clutch is what lets you shift gears on a manual car without grinding. It wears out over time, so if you don’t know when it was last replaced, that can be a concern.

Term

engine crane

An engine crane is a lifting tool used to raise an engine out of the car. The point here is that some jobs need a different kind of lift setup, not just a crane.

Term

A frame

An A-frame is a big workshop lifting stand shaped like a triangle. It’s used to safely lift heavy parts like an engine in a way a normal hoist might not handle.

Term

engine to the box out in one

This means pulling the engine and gearbox out together as one unit. Some cars are built so tightly that separating them first is harder or not practical.

Term

every 20,000 miles

They’re talking about how often big, expensive repairs show up—like a rough mileage schedule. It’s not a universal rule, but it’s a way to estimate when major work might be due.

Car

Honda S2000

The Honda S2000 is a small two-seat convertible sports car. It’s known for an engine that revs very high and feels exciting to drive. In the episode, it’s mentioned as an older car that’s no longer around.

Car

Pontiac Solstice

The Pontiac Solstice is a small two-seat sports car. It’s meant to be fun to drive without costing as much as a supercar. In the episode, it’s mentioned by name, alongside a seasonal wordplay.

Car

TVR Tuscan

The TVR Tuscan is a British sports car. People like it because it feels very raw and exciting to drive, with a strong V8 engine and a “no-frills” attitude.

Car

Clio

The Clio is a Renault small car. In this story, the engine bay caught fire because parts of the heat shield fell onto hot engine parts.

Part

heat shielding

Heat shielding is a protective cover that keeps engine-bay heat from damaging things nearby. Here, its clips failed, and the shield ended up falling onto a hot part and catching fire.

Part

manifold

A manifold is a hot part of the engine that routes gases. In this story, the shield landed on it and that’s what helped start the fire.

Part

brake master cylinder

The brake master cylinder is the part that makes the brakes work when you press the pedal. If a fire damages it, the brakes can stop working properly.

Part

coil pack leads

Coil pack leads are the wires that connect the ignition system to the coils. If they’re damaged by heat or fire, the engine may misfire or not start.

Concept

footwell

The footwell is the space inside the car where your feet go. If something goes wrong near the floor—like a small electrical problem—it can show up there.

Term

AC

AC means the car’s air conditioning. They mention it because it was very hot, and they were keeping the doors closed at the time.

Place

Nurburgring

The Nürburgring is a well-known race track in Germany. People use it to test how well cars handle, because it’s long, twisty, and challenging.

Company

Hack Engineering

Hack Engineering is a car shop that worked on the host’s car. The context suggests they did some kind of upgrade or prep work before the car was returned.

Term

mods

“Mods” means modifications—changes you make to a car. The host is saying their BMW M3 has some planned upgrades.

Term

2DC CSL kits

A “kit” usually means add-on parts to change the car’s look. Here, the host is talking about a CSL-style kit and getting it finished in the right green color.

Car

Golf Gtd

The Golf is a compact car model that comes in many different versions. In the episode, the speaker talks about certain Golf models being problematic and says they should have learned from earlier experiences. It’s a reference to a specific Golf situation, not the entire model line.

Car

Suzuki Swift sports

The Suzuki Swift Sport is a sportier, more performance-focused version of the regular Suzuki Swift. It’s a small hatchback that’s meant to feel more exciting to drive, not just get you from A to B.

Car

Suzuki Swift

The Suzuki Swift 5 Doors is a small hatchback with four or five seats and doors that make it easier to get in and out. It’s built for everyday driving and parking convenience. In the episode, it’s mentioned in connection with sporty-looking, modified versions.

Car

Evo 5

“Evo 5” is the fifth-generation Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. It’s a rally-bred turbo car that was built to compete in motorsport, not just to be a normal street sedan.

Place

Rally Barbados

Rally Barbados is a car-racing event in Barbados where drivers compete on rally stages. Here, they’re saying one of their cars was built specifically for that kind of rally competition.

Term

rust work

“Rust work” is fixing corrosion on the car—basically cutting out the rusty parts and repairing the metal so it’s solid again. It’s especially important on older cars that have seen wet roads or salty conditions.

Term

SV

“SV” is a Lamborghini badge that generally means a hotter, more performance-focused version of the car. Think “more track-ready” compared to the regular model.

Concept

spy shots

“Spy shots” are pictures people take of a car prototype while it’s out testing. The car is often covered up so you can’t see the final design yet.

Term

hybrid system

A hybrid system means the car uses both a gas engine and an electric motor. When you try to make a convertible, the car still has to be strong and fit all the hybrid parts, which can be tricky.

Car

Chevrolet C7

A “C7 Corvette” is a specific generation of the Chevrolet Corvette. It’s the version people mean when they talk about the newer, more modern Corvette era.

Term

V8 engine

A V8 is a type of engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. More cylinders generally means it can make strong power and a distinctive sound.

Place

Lake Como

Lake Como is a famous luxury vacation spot in Italy. The host is using it as a backdrop for a fancy car event where expensive cars show up.

Car

Lotus Amira

The Lotus Emira is a modern sports car from Lotus. It’s meant to be fun to drive and still feel lightweight compared to many other cars. The episode mentions Lotus sharing updates about it.

Term

V6

A V6 is an engine with six cylinders arranged in a V shape. It’s a common engine type that can feel smooth and provide decent power.

Concept

rumours from Lotus

They’re talking about how Lotus shares news. The idea here is that Lotus doesn’t like rumors and prefers to announce things directly online.

Concept

one off

A “one-off” is a one-of-a-kind car. It’s usually built for a specific person, not produced in large numbers.

Person

Horatio Ciacani

Horatio Ciacani is a name the hosts bring up as the supposed source of the “HC” initials. They later correct it to Henry Cavill.

Person

Henry Cavill

Henry Cavill is a famous actor. Here, the hosts are saying he’s the person connected to the initials in a special Ferrari project.

Car

Audi Rs3

The Audi RS 3 is a sporty, high-performance version of a compact Audi. It’s designed to feel quick and fun while still being a normal-size car. In the episode, the speaker mentions it as a reference for wheel style.

Car

Lamborghini Reventon

The Lamborghini Reventon is a rare, limited supercar from Lamborghini. Because it’s limited, it’s often treated as a special collectible model. The episode talks about it as being the best of the options being discussed.

Car

Ferrari F8

The Ferrari F8 is a high-end Ferrari supercar. It’s the kind of car people buy when they want something very fast and very expensive, and the episode is comparing it to other newer Ferraris.

Car

Ferrari 488

The Ferrari 488 is another modern Ferrari supercar line that came before the F8. The hosts are basically saying the F8 is the next step after the 488.

Car

Ferrari 296

The Ferrari 296 is a newer Ferrari supercar. In the conversation, they’re saying you could start with a 296 and then spend a lot of money to make it even wilder.

Term

BR25

BR25 sounds like a nickname or shorthand for a specific car the hosts are waiting to see. In this clip, they don’t explain what it stands for, so we can’t be sure which car they mean.

Car

430

The Ferrari 430 is another older Ferrari supercar with a V8 engine. In this clip, it’s just brought up as a possible model name and then corrected.

Term

V8

A V8 is an engine type with eight cylinders. In this conversation, they’re comparing it to a V12 and talking about what engine would match the intended vibe/look.

Term

V12

A V12 is an engine with twelve cylinders in a V layout. They’re saying a V12 would have been ideal, but they didn’t have one that matched what they wanted.

Car

Ferrari 458

The Ferrari 458 is a famous Ferrari supercar with an engine in the middle of the car. Here, they’re talking about making something look like a 458, meaning the 458’s look is the goal.

Concept

Resto modded

A “resto-mod” is when someone keeps the look of an older car but upgrades it with newer parts. In this case, they’re talking about modifying a newer Ferrari so it visually resembles a 458.

Car

Ferrari F8 Tributo

The Ferrari F8 Tributo is a modern Ferrari supercar with a powerful V8 engine. They mention it because they’re talking about what kind of Ferrari someone should want or receive.

Term

drivetrain

Your drivetrain is the “power path” that takes engine power and sends it to the wheels. They’re saying the drivetrain has to be updated too, not just the look.

Car

Ferrari Testarossa

The Ferrari Testarossa is a famous older Ferrari supercar. It’s known for its very distinctive look and high performance. In the episode, it’s mentioned as a design reference point.

Term

twin turbo V8

A twin turbo V8 is a V8 engine with two turbochargers. Turbos cram extra air into the engine, which usually makes the car feel much quicker.

Car

Ferrari 812 Competizione

The Ferrari 812 Competizione is a very high-end Ferrari supercar with a big V12 engine. People mention it when they want to talk about extreme performance and a car that’s meant to be driven hard.

Brand

Motel 300V

Motel 300V is a type of engine oil. They’re recommending it for track-style driving because it’s designed to stay effective when the engine gets very hot.

Car

Audi Rs6

The Audi RS6 is one of Audi’s fast, performance-focused cars. They’re saying they used the oil in an RS6 because it’s meant for hard driving and high temperatures.

Term

viscosity

Viscosity is how “thick” a fluid is. For engine oil, staying thick enough when things get hot helps it keep lubricating the engine and reducing wear during hard use.

Term

aeration

Aeration means air bubbles getting into the fluid. If engine oil foams or bubbles during hard driving, it can lubricate less effectively—so oils that resist aeration help protect the engine better.

Brand

Motel's RBF660 brake fluid

Motel’s RBF660 is a brake fluid made for harder driving. The idea is that it can handle higher temperatures without boiling, so your brake pedal stays more consistent. That helps when you’re braking hard and the brakes get very hot.

Term

boiling point

The boiling point is how hot the brake fluid can get before it starts to boil. When it boils, the brakes don’t work as sharply and the pedal can feel soft. A higher boiling point means it can handle hard braking better.

Place

Ville d'Este

Villa d’Este is a well-known car event in Italy, held near Lake Como. Car companies often use it to show off special cars and concepts. The hosts say this BMW Alpina concept was revealed there.

Term

BMW's kidney grille

BMW has a distinctive front grille made of two kidney-shaped openings. It’s one of the easiest ways to recognize a BMW from the front.

Term

injectors

Injectors are the parts that spray fuel into the engine. If they’re not working right, the car can run poorly, so testing them helps figure out what’s wrong.

Part

pinch bolt

A pinch bolt is a bolt that clamps something tight by squeezing it. They’re talking about one on the RS6 that holds part of the suspension/control-arm area, and it’s the part that was taking time to get sorted.

Car

Peugeot 206

The Peugeot 206 is a popular small car from Peugeot. Here, they’re talking about a viral-looking “Peugeot 206” that people thought was fake, but the host says it actually exists in a museum.

Car

D9 Denzer

“D9” sounds like a specific car or project name mentioned in the episode. The speaker is talking about making ads for it, but the details of what it is aren’t explained in the snippet. If you share more context, the exact car can be identified more clearly.

LIVE

Tip can always be bigger. The bit that sort of the public sees.

Exactly. The showstopper is the tip.

This car is nine degrees of beans.

I have a controversial take.

Oh, don't even say it. No, no, no. Don't speak.

No, no, no, no. I...

Hello and welcome back to the 85th Cars Rule Everything Around Me podcast

with myself Edwin. Will to my left, Benjamin to behind the camera.

And this time, a special guest, not in the form of a human,

him, but behind us, if you're an audio listener, is sitting the big M.

The big yellow guy.

We will get onto that very shortly. Actually, you know what?

Let's get straight into it. At the beginning of all of these podcasts,

we answer a question with a Cars Rule or Ruin this week.

We haven't actually done a podcast in maybe two weeks,

because we've been waiting for Barbados Ben to get back from his holiday,

bloody selfish guy. And then we've... We have to film two podcasts tonight,

so the next podcast will also... And why's that?

Because I'm going away. Wow.

To Barbados, don't know.

No, to Disney World. Will, let's get into it.

What is it?

The game's here. It's actually been here for about a week now.

Is it? Almost a week.

You're in Barbados.

You missed out because you were sunning up in Barbados on the private jet.

It's actually a tough one on the PJ.

Yeah, it was. You missed out. We'll get to it.

We'll get to it.

You missed out on a solid week of things happening.

But yeah, it came last Tuesday ahead of schedule, thanks to the RS6.

The RS6 failed on the day, so we had to go and send...

When we were at Dunsfold, we hired out the whole Top Gear track.

RS6 on the day said, you know what?

Sod your day. Sod all the money you've spent.

I'm ruining it. So then we had to get this expedited.

Have it picked up earlier than I wanted and brought to the Top Gear track,

which to be fair was very cool.

It was very cool.

Because I hadn't heard this car start.

I knew it ran. I'd been told it had run and it'd been serviced and whatever else,

but I'd never heard it run.

And I had no idea what it was going to drive like,

but we put it in the middle of the runway at Dunsfold, unloaded it,

saw it for the first time since the auction.

It was about a month afterwards, I think, and went for a first drive.

It was quite cool.

It was quite cool. It didn't go quite...

It went smoothly in the way that nothing really went wrong.

I did find out that morning from the storage company, they went,

oh, just so you know, the battery is like really dead, like so dead.

We didn't even bother putting it on a trickle charger.

So like, yeah.

And they said, once you turn it off, even if you've driven it for a while,

it's dead again.

It's dead.

You can't start it again.

So you need to jump it every single time you turn it off.

And that went well.

That went well.

So I think we had to...

Because again, we were doing a little bit of filming here and there.

And again, I still don't know the mechanical, how well this car is.

So I was like, okay, we're turning it off and on and jump starting it all the time.

And there's a couple of risks.

Apparently, I've heard the most of your logos.

Apparently, you can jump start them, but there's people have said online,

don't do that.

You'll frazzle your instrument crust cluster and they're about six grand.

And that's probably if you can find one.

So I was like, okay, I'm going to bump start it.

That was quite funny.

We killed two power packs trying to jump start this a few times

because the connection wasn't too good.

And we had to get it started because we had to raise the nose

in order to get it back on the trailer, in order to get it back here.

So the car was running.

We were done with filming for the day.

So we said to Ali, who does transport for us,

do you want to back it up into the trailer while it's still running?

Because if we turn it off, we have no jump packs.

It's not going to work.

And he was like, yeah, no, let's do it.

We'll get it on one.

He got in the car, put it in reverse installed it.

Yeah, so I just went, oh, for God's sake.

And so we immediately tried a load of different stuff to get it to start.

And we were like, no, it's fine.

We'll just push it onto the trailer.

It was too low to go on the trailer.

It needed a nose lift to come up.

Ben, how do you get the nose lift up?

Electric.

Yeah.

With the engine running.

So with five people, we bump started.

Bump started.

Bump started surprisingly well.

Yeah.

It was actually quite good.

And then reversed it onto the trailer.

And also even that, it's a big car.

Yeah.

And the trailer was an enclosed trailer.

Ali bought his enclosed one.

And that's a fairly big trailer, but it is a squeeze in there.

And it only really fits with the mirrors folded in.

And for whatever reason, my car has no rear view mirror.

So that makes it that many years ago.

So I was going purely off of Ali's instruction,

but we got it on, brought it back to the unit.

It's been here since.

So now I'm sort of working through bits to try and get it back on the road.

But it is here.

And I honestly can't stop looking.

I know the Glado was cool, but it is completely out my mind now.

No.

We had a Glado on the day as well.

Yes.

And it was...

It didn't.

It did nothing for me.

Obviously, it's a cool car to see.

And it is a part of my car history now.

But this...

No, this was even.

Now, I'm not trying to be mean.

The Tom from Horsepower Hunters, because he did bring his car.

He brought his Aventador.

And Ben, that's why Ben's very sad,

because there was an Aventador on the Top Gear track,

and Ben was not there for it.

But even in comparison to the Aventador, this had the vibe.

It's got...

And the Aventador's got presence, and it sounds good,

but there's something about this.

This...

And yeah, it hasn't...

I don't think it ever will sink in.

Where have you got...

When was the most emotional?

First of first time.

There was too many other people around us to shed a tear.

That's what that's...

I sent everyone else away, because I said,

this needs to be just a little...

Do you know what?

I got quite emotional when we were on our first drive.

It was quite...

It was really surreal.

It was a bit weird, because again,

also because it got rushed a bit.

It's...

This one's been weird, because this car...

I've waited a little while as well.

Like, it's waited however many years to get to actually doing this.

It'd be way ahead of schedule.

And then having that like month-long period of like...

Nothing.

A watt.

There were so many little issues.

I was like, I kept getting pushed back a week,

a few days, another week, another few days.

But then finally, it's here.

So yeah, it has been...

There's been a...

On my way home, in the 600 pound off from Ayo,

I would drive home and I'd be like,

I have a Mercedes.

It's on finance, trust me.

It's finance to the tits.

But there was a Mercedes going to the TDC unit.

Also, for anybody that's worried that we're going to lose it our way,

earlier on, it was in the car park.

There was 600 pound off from Ayo,

Lamborghini Mercilago, Volkswagen Lupo.

Don't worry.

Not changing.

I was like, I just can't afford anymore.

Yeah, that's kind of it.

Really, to be fair, that's kind of maxed out.

But yeah, mad surreal.

I'm less scared of this car than the Gallardo.

You know what?

I kind of hear that, even us working on it,

when we worked on the Gallardo, I was scared of it.

But now that I know that this car's...

Like, this is your car.

It's not a stepping stone.

This is your car now.

It's also, hey, confirmed to me that...

Well, I knew the choice would be right,

because it is what it is.

But I thought, is it going to be...

Am I going to be worried about doing anything touching it?

But because it's a little...

Again, it's worth way more money.

So, and everything on it costs more money.

But the car is rougher.

Whereas the Gallardo was like,

you've got this immaculate service history.

Yeah, the front end was PPF.

The paint was immaculate.

So I was always a little bit...

Even though I didn't want to be,

I was always a little bit like,

oh, is he going to get a stone chip?

Is this going to happen?

Whereas with this, not that I'm going to abuse it,

but I feel a bit more...

I've already had all the fuses out.

Having a look at it, because my back wings didn't go down

on day one.

That was interesting.

You've already had the battery out.

Had the battery out.

So we had to do...

On basically day one of it being in the unit,

we did the battery, which is in the wheel well.

That's wheel off, up, turn around, blah, blah, blah.

Had it quickly up on the lift, changed the tires.

Also, yeah, this car, it came to the unit

and it went on jack stands within 20 minutes of driving.

That's also quite nicely TD6.

Yeah. But no, it's very cool.

I've ordered a load of bits for it to get it up and running.

We just had a really nice weekend of weather

and I just want to drive the thing.

It has a misfire.

I laughed quite a lot on the day, because I started it.

And I get a check engine code every single time I start it.

And it just said, check engine, L.

And I looked at it and I was like, nah.

What does that mean?

And it turns out it's left and right bank.

But yeah, I just get check engine, L.

And the coil packs there, they're okay.

Coil packs is what I'm going to need to do.

I did a bit of research.

Do you know the number yet?

I do know the number.

I told them earlier.

Ben guessed it.

And he said, oh, is it about £1,200 for the full set?

And I said, I'd love it if that was for one.

Mental.

It turns out, because this is a 2001 to 2004, I want to say.

They're very early Lamborghini.

They're basically like Diablo stuff.

After that, they got lots of Audi bits.

And I have an 02.

And a coil pack is £1,500 each for this car.

But fortunately, there's some smart,

some feather pluckers on the internet who know.

And I can put a Kia V6 coil pack in it.

Which is great.

Which I'm sure there's going to be people out there going,

oh, you can't do that.

But there's plenty of people who can and they're better.

And I'm sorry, I put it into Euro spares,

which is where you get most of the Lamborghini parts from online.

And I think the final bill for all of those coil packs

was £19,500.

Imagine going to Lamborghini and saying,

now can you fit them, now add spark plugs,

and anything else they might find along the way.

Like you 25 grand bill.

25 grand service.

Sorry for what we do in between takes on another car.

In between filming something,

I'll run in and go do that on an X5 in like 30 seconds.

And then a little bit of research.

And there's a few Andy, I can't remember his surname,

but Andy, who had who you know,

and he messaged me as well from being in the maths in like,

what's that group who had identical car to this basically.

And it was at furlong as well when this car was there.

And he's told me so many little tips and tricks that's like,

if this happens, don't worry, you can do this.

Don't worry, you can do this.

So there are lots of people who've owned these cars,

not on a shoestring as such,

but not everyone is a billionaire with a collection

that wants to put no miles on it.

They want to use it and not have to spend £20,000

every time you need to fix it.

So yeah, it's a cool car, man.

It is.

It's incredibly cool.

Ben, you saw it for the first time today.

Cool.

Straight off the PJ.

Yeah, literally off the jet, straight over here.

So it's pretty normal.

Bring the Lambo.

Yeah.

No, I had to be fair.

Middle of the day, Ben.

Not very subtle.

The Lamborghini then, must I?

No, I like it.

I thought on the way over here this morning,

oh, will it be there today?

And then I fully forgot it existed for some reason.

I walked in and I didn't expect to see it.

But yeah, it's cool.

It's just cooler.

Do you know what?

It's, I know that we had our first drive,

but it's not, when it's not on the road,

it doesn't feel as real.

If that makes sense.

I'm excited for the first road drive.

Yeah, I haven't.

That's when that feels.

Also, on the runway, it had, I don't know if,

I don't think any of this will be out yet,

in terms of video.

But the tyres were absolutely shot.

Yes.

Shot, shot.

They're actually,

worse than I thought they were when I,

when I looked at them afterwards,

which is good to know,

after being going down a runway.

I was like, I don't want to give it too many beans,

because if I, I don't know, if it's misfiring,

it's lean or whatever.

And I blow up an engine on day one.

I don't know what to do about that.

So then we got a little pull in there.

Oh, there was one,

there was one little bit of noise.

And then when we got out,

the people on the side of the runway,

who are filming were like,

that's the most ridiculous sound today.

Like this is sounds good.

It sounds so good.

And there's pipes coming.

Pipes coming.

I've ordered some fab speed, a fab speed X pipe.

This already has fab speed sports cats,

which is why it's surprisingly,

it's very,

for a car with just cats.

Not Gallardo loud.

No.

But it is loud.

But the cold starts ridiculously loud.

But yeah.

And, but it just misfires like shit,

but it pops and bangs and crackles and the X pipe

will make it sound more like a 640.

More like a sort of that high pit.

That the, the noise that everyone is thinking of

when they hear Marshal Argo,

that's more, it'll be like,

but it'll be more of the sort of,

you know,

kind of old school Lamborghini,

but high pitch and the tips will be bigger.

You don't know if you can see it.

If you're on video, the tips are okay.

And then my favorite ones,

because they're bang in the middle,

but they'll be way bigger than that.

Tip can always be bigger.

Tips always, always needs to be bigger.

The shaft on the exhaust.

You leave that.

Don't nobody needs extra shaft.

The bit that's sort of the public sees.

Exactly. The show stuff is the tip.

It's what the eye gets drawn to immediately.

Exhaust has been,

I've ordered a lots of maintenance bits.

I think that's also what I've liked about this so far

is that Gallardo came

and he, one, I was scared to touch it.

So I was like,

I didn't want to do anything.

Whereas on this,

there's lots of little bits I need to do.

So it keeps me busy for a little while to go.

Now I need to do these little bits.

Do the radio.

There's like a little coolant pipe I need to do.

There's the coil packs.

There's the, I need to do a door strut.

I was like,

this is like how we talk about our dailies.

But it's like, yeah, just picked up.

Picked up a 172.

Just need to do a bonnet strut.

Meanwhile, the Versiolago is a bit weird,

but I quite like the idea of doing most,

most of it myself.

I do have no record of a clutch,

which is a little bit worrying.

No, you said you'd consider doing it with us.

Possibly.

Taylor was in here the other day and he was like,

it would be great content.

I was like, yeah, it would be.

I want to do it.

It would be.

I really want to do it.

You do need a massive frame.

If you look at how they do it in like the factory

or even just at a specialist,

you don't do it with an engine crane

because an engine crane can't deal with it.

Yes, it's not right.

So you have to have this big like A frame type thing.

And you bring the engine to the box out in one.

So it makes the glado look like running a micro

in comparison.

Everything I look at, I'm like, okay.

But it's only really some of those big jobs that are bad

and they're only like every 20,000 miles or something.

So and valve clearances.

That's a tough one.

I don't know about that.

That's going to be a tough one.

Some people say 15k.

Some people say 50.

I'm at 17.

Choose just choose 50.

Yeah, 50 sounds good to me.

This is cool.

So I'm very happy for you, William.

Me too.

It is again, like we said before, I'm proud.

I know it's easy to see that it looks like this is a very fun job

but it is.

Don't get us wrong.

But bear in mind 23 years ago neither of us had a job.

That's the cool thing to us.

And thank you for listening.

You literally, it's you listening and watching

that makes any of this possible.

And we promise we're not going to stop doing dumb stuff

as long as you're here.

Also the creamers are probably the most supportive.

Yeah, I was super worried about not saying anything,

but I can almost consider just buying it and

people are going to see it,

but buying it and never doing anything to do with it.

Because I am aware that it is a disgusting amount of money

and it is, you know, it's basically an entire house.

Yeah.

I don't own a house.

I don't own a house, but I do have that.

And that is where basically all my money goes.

But everyone who's listened to the podcast and said,

it's like, sort those people.

It's you're only here once, so you might as well do it.

Yeah.

It might get really possessed in six months.

I don't know.

I'll figure it out when I get to it.

But yeah, it's a ridiculous thing.

And now it's just a Ferrari.

Hey, man, it'll happen.

It'll happen when one presents itself.

And someone crashes one.

Yeah, it's like someone could crash on that would be great.

So are you saying it's a rule?

It's a big rule.

There's little reasons to ruin in there for sure,

but that nothing could overrule the fact that it's here.

It's here and present.

He is finally with us.

And you'll see him many more times.

Will owes every single creamer a handshake, whenever you...

Oh, I thought I was going a different way.

A few of the creamers went, uh-oh.

Then the guy looking at your feet, Ben went, uh-oh.

Same shoes.

I'm still wearing them six months later.

A handshake of every single one.

Well, the last of the glada I offered everyone a ride in it.

So that's actually a bit easier.

You still love them, Matt.

Yeah.

I speak to...

I'm a lot more difficult now, isn't it?

Speak to our boy, Jay.

Now, which celebrity is going to buy this off you?

If you ended up selling it.

Jay Kay, brother, if you're watching, I'm not selling.

But you know, at the right price, I won't sell.

If it wasn't going to be Jay Kay, who would you like?

Who would be a cool Marsilago related?

I don't know.

Jay Kay's pretty cool.

I think it'd be cool to be really left field.

Like Dame Judy Dench or something.

Just James Blunt.

Just completely random.

James Blunt, Alan Carr.

I can imagine that.

Alan Carr driving around him.

Ideally, I'd never sell it.

There you go.

That is the idea.

Your next story, the next story of the Marsilago is you.

Is it?

Yeah.

It's my child, hopefully.

If I ever have a child, this is where this goes.

I will own it for as long as I can afford it, basically.

Benjamin, tell us about your week in Barbados, mate.

Man, rule.

Don't have to do any car stuff.

You actually sort of did miss cars.

And there is a little ruin, which is the fact that I missed the top gear track.

Yes.

And that was, do you know what?

It was tough as it was, but made it more tough.

There was like multiple weeks, we got to my holiday of like

trying to get stuff sorted out so I could go away.

And then we didn't do much cool stuff.

We do cool stuff every day.

You know what I mean?

Like there was a top gear test track.

Yeah.

And then I get a message saying,

top gear test track, you're missing it.

I was like, great.

And then, but then you said,

there won't be an event store though, so it's fine.

It's broken.

I was like, yes.

And then I got a phone call on the day

and I was just about to go to the beach.

And there was an event store at the track.

So I took a phone for me.

I video called Ben from inside of an event store.

And the moment I picked up,

I could see his beady little eyes looking at the background.

And I saw, I saw defeat wash over him and sadness through his sunglasses.

It felt quite evil.

He has to do that, but it was kind of worth it.

And then I was literally about to go to the beach

and I got back in the car and my girlfriend was like, what are you doing?

I was just the entire journey, just scrolling event stores.

Just watching videos of them shooting flames.

You're just staring out the window, looking.

It's like, where do you want to be?

Ben's at the beach just listening out,

see if you can hear a downshift in the distance.

And it's sad because, again, Tom would have let you drive it.

He said, it's Dunsfold.

So like, it's, you know, it's not the road.

Ben, your time will come.

Good things come to those who are called Ben.

Well, I'll buy my own one at some point, surely.

Oh, you're sure?

Yeah.

Well, once you, you know, buy out Bristol City Council.

Yeah. So I should drive it into the centre of the city.

Yeah. But you could abolish you ladies in your event store.

I'll buy one up to one at Will.

So he's got the merch like, I'll go, I'll get the event store.

And then everyone will get the event or something.

Yeah, no, yeah.

So overall, it's a rule.

It's a rule. I haven't done much car stuff and I think S2000.

Oh, well, that's obviously that's long gone.

I mean, it was for sale months ago.

No, it's just sat there.

No, it's still there.

We've got roughly a month from the filming to get that sold.

Summer solstice is coming.

Before our medieval peasant bed.

It will get sold.

It's get sold.

No, no, wait.

That one's, this one is just an L, an official L.

Yeah.

End of the year is the painting.

It's just the timing.

It's just the, by calling it the summer solstice.

Oh, sorry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I'll be going by dawn, not at the summer solstice.

Hucked.

The S2000 cleaves.

I have to basically clean it and then take photos of it.

Oh, so cool.

So, you know, you'd have been able to do that weeks and weeks

and weeks weeks.

I've been waiting, man.

Okay.

I've been chilling.

Been waiting for us to offer the door.

No, I've been waiting for that.

I'll do it.

I will do it.

I need to do that.

So, can we do like a video on that?

Like, surely, surely Robin will come in.

Like, how much do you think Robin's worth?

The, I took the wheels off.

I think I mentioned it before, but it looks...

Yeah, you don't like it.

I don't, well, it looks normal,

but it's now lowered and it's on a stand of wheels.

Raise it up.

I just think, nah, I'll just sell it as it is.

That's it.

That's more work for you to do.

Well, it looks good.

Let's buy it.

So, overall rule, though.

Yeah, a rule.

Sure.

Okay.

Sound less convincing.

No reason to ruin.

Perfect.

All right.

I am going to say, I'm going to say it's a rule as well.

I think we've got three rules.

Three big rules.

First things first, the Tuscan.

I think I literally have it on our list.

Shout out to the TVR Tuscan.

Last week.

Did she hear us?

It's listening going.

Thanks, man.

Oh, cheers, man.

I'm going to break in a minute.

On Monday, last week, we went to Johnny Smith,

that podcast might, that should be out by now.

Yeah, it will be.

The podcast with Johnny Smith.

I drove.

I had no working cars because of the Clio,

which let's start with that little aside.

Clio set on fire.

Yes, it did.

We were in here working on a car.

I went off to go and get some parts for the RS6,

came back, walked through the door,

started working on the RS6.

Will happened to go out the door, thankfully,

maybe a minute later.

And then I heard Will come back and went,

Edwin, your car's on fire, by the way.

And I ran outside thinking, this is a bit of a joke.

No, there was smoke pouring out the bonnet of the Clio.

I thought it was going to be steam.

And then I was like, no, that is fire.

Yeah, open the bonnet, the heat, what do you call it?

The, like, heat shielding.

The heat shield, the fabric one on the back of the engine bay.

The clips had either melted or come off or something

and fall onto the manifold and fully set fire.

And took out my brake master cylinder,

some coil pack leads and the coil pack itself.

So nothing too bad, but thankfully we found it.

Oh, and it bubbled my paint on the bonnet, which is very upsetting.

But thankfully, literally the day before,

you know, there's fire sticks that we tested for weird tools.

I was like, I'm going to buy one of those up there.

I'm going to buy one for the Clio, Tuscan.

After all, Tuscan and Ted got his, no, not Tuscan Ted,

Steve, sorry, got his Tuscan burnt down.

And I happen to have them both in the footwell of the Clio.

Then we'll, we'll grab it, put the fire out, all good.

Struggled in the same way that I did when we filmed the video.

It's quite a simple thing to use.

I looked at it and started just pulling on it.

And then the fire went out.

Yeah. So it's a really good, it is a really, I might, I might.

Yes. I think they're worth having.

They're small. They're not very cheap.

They are quite expensive, but worthwhile.

I literally put the fire out.

Also very fortunate we had, we happened to have the doors open.

We have the doors closed at the moment.

Because we have, we have AC and it's very, very hot at the moment.

Big flex.

But luckily the doors were open.

Otherwise that, that might have just gone, gone a while and we wouldn't have heard it.

We would have had crackling gone, well, it was Trevor setting fire to outside,

gone outside and found a smoldering wreckage of a Clio.

So because of that, my only working car was I had to go and get the Anolso

because we were filming it.

I went and got the TBR from storage, filled the boot with all the podcast gear.

Oh, there was a, there'll be an image.

Didn't that and I drove it up to Peterborough and further.

The next day took it to Dunsfold, smashed its head in all day.

A big time.

All day.

I was doing, I was doing pulls up the main, the what do you call it?

The runway.

I was doing drifts.

I was doing skids.

I was doing laps as quick as I could.

Got in the car, drove home.

This weekend put another three, 400 miles on it, driving it for filming.

I've put two and a half thousand miles on that car.

It just doesn't care.

I love it.

I love that car to bits.

It's so, so good.

We had some cool cars at Dunsfold at the top of your track and the TBR probably stood out the most.

So it sounded in terms of the way it looked, sounded and just going out in it.

I mean, you were driving it considerably harder than most,

than other people were driving their cars.

Like there was a five litre glada there.

We had a Cayman GT4, we had the event door, we had a V8 RA.

So it was a pretty special lineup and the TBR was just the wildest thing there.

It's so good.

I adore that car.

And I'm A impressed, this is how I know I like it.

But you don't know this yet.

I'm not going to modify that car anymore.

Really?

I'm leaving that car as it is because it is so good as it is.

I don't want to ruin it by making it low and messing with the ride height.

Messing...

Well, the ride height is not that nice, but the way it drives is comfy.

I drive it like 300, 400 miles.

No issue.

Like my back's fine.

It's all good.

Spaces.

Maybe.

But the spaces though were...

But spaces without lows doesn't work.

But didn't you see that the space is Arthur driving characteristics?

Yeah, the three mil ones at the front I will do, but they're a bigger 25,

like 15 or 20 mil you could do with extended studs.

I won't do that.

Just leave that.

I'm going to leave that car standard.

I don't believe you.

It's so good.

No, I'll do a little bit.

Yeah.

Also, you might as well just...

If it ain't broke, well, not broken, but it's working as it is in terms of if you like it.

And then you don't need to change it until you go, okay, I want it to feel different,

so I'm going to change it.

Because also, we've got...

We've mentioned it maybe before.

We've got a Nurburgring trip as a whole collective in July.

But then, you know, you'll take...

I can't wait to walk there.

It was so exciting.

So I was thinking I might take the TVR after a couple laps on the top gear.

It's sketchy.

It's too...

I'd crash.

I'd go too hard.

Whereas the M3, which I got back last week, that's also part of my rule,

came back from Hack Engineering.

That car's just so good.

It's just...

It works and drives and turns and does everything perfect.

That's ring car.

Yeah.

So I've got some cool mods on that.

You will see that in an upcoming 2DC CSL kits going on.

It's getting color matched green.

And there might even be some cream flavored mods that eat the big brakes.

Then you can paint it green.

That's cool.

I thought that sounded like the word green.

I was going to say green.

Cream.

The name of the podcast we're on.

So for that reason, it's rule for me.

I was about to say cream for me.

It's green for me.

It's like green but blue.

Three rules all around?

Statistically.

Yeah, that's one of the rare ones.

Can you tell us the last time that was, please?

Thank you.

Whoever's doing stats, can you tell us how many rules that is between us today?

Exactly.

I could be upwards of three.

Is it at least one?

I know that.

Are you?

Just do your own, it'd be fine.

Before we carry on, before we get into our anecdotes,

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Shout out to Carvertical.

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It's been tough.

Yeah.

It's been tough.

We should have learned from Ben's GTD that Mark VII Golfs are a really are a cesspit of...

We thought a hive of scum and villainy.

We thought Ben's GTD was bad.

The amount we've run, I'd say upwards of 50 cover reports this week.

I would say three.

There are three cars that are good.

And the issue is all of the three good ones we haven't bought.

Because they've either been too much money or there's just been something else.

So it's very tough.

If you're buying, if you want to go far, I'm sorry.

That's all I'll say.

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Shall we talk about things that are on the list of scuffs?

I've been waiting to talk about things and stuff for a week.

We've just been Ben's, just been holding us up.

It's all crazy.

That means we can't put the lights on either,

because he takes so much of our money.

Who do you think paid for the private jet, the Barbados?

We were just in here in the dark for a week.

The Creamers paid for you to go on holiday again.

That's why we didn't put a podcast out,

because we were kind of in front of the internet.

He took it with him, because Ben kept calling us and saying,

can I get the steak?

He said, go on then.

I saw Cars in Barbados.

What did you see?

No way.

The movie.

And was it done?

No, I didn't watch the movie.

You did watch Johnny English, though.

What a fantastic film.

Edwin, what was your factor told me about it?

OYO2USH, that's the play on the DV7.

I said, I watched Johnny English on the plane,

and Edwin just responded with nothing apart from just a code.

And apparently that is the play on one of the Cars.

Yep.

Great film.

I've never seen it.

Great film.

If you've never seen it, it's actually really good.

If you've never seen it, Johnny English.

I've seen bits and bobs.

First one's the best one.

A Scott.

Which one's got the Rolls Royce?

That Rolls Royce?

Second or third?

Because I remember him promoting it on top game.

Yeah.

They had it in the studio.

No, they're all good, but the first one is good.

The first one is good.

Absolutely incredible.

I might give it a whiz.

But they were Cars.

Sorry, Ed.

Do you know what there weren't many of?

No, there weren't.

I didn't see anything big.

Like I didn't see anything that would have really got a man really excited.

But I did see many Suzuki Swift sports that are just on loads of wheels.

Okay.

Everywhere.

All right.

All generations.

Generation.

Your generation.

The generation I had.

The new one?

Not the newest, but the newer one.

Like a 2021?

No, like the 2010.

2015 one.

Oh, okay.

Those on wheels and then just loads of mostly Japanese cars.

I saw an Evo.

I saw an Evo 7 and Evo 5.

Lovely.

Now, why do we get on photos of that?

Because did you not take a single photo of any car you saw?

I did.

But we'll get onto that.

Okay.

You were there.

I think I don't know how big Barbados is.

I feel like an American talking about this.

We're like, hey, man, you were there with rally Barbados with that.

It must have been nearby.

Maybe it was nearby.

I don't know.

I mean, you could drive from one side down into the other in like 10 minutes.

An hour.

That's all they're doing in rally Barbados.

I didn't see any cars.

They just came up with the concept for it.

What if we try for one's point?

We do it on off-road and then we time it.

It could rally Barbados.

Yeah.

Because our Evo 5, that's a secret Evo 5,

it had a counterpart, had a sibling that was built at the same time

and that car was built for rally Barbados.

Yeah.

So, you know, none of you heard of that.

You don't know that about that Evo 5.

You've never heard about that.

Which actually I got update on.

Well, we'll tell the cremers.

The cremers are loyal.

They know that it's getting rust work done.

The reason you haven't seen anything is car had to go away for rust.

It's been now a year and a bit since it went to rust.

But there's progress, Ben.

It's getting chopped up.

I forget we have that car quite regularly.

Rally Barbados was, whoa, this weekend, just been.

But I left on Saturday.

So, there you go.

So, I would have.

I would have, yeah.

It was car stuff, so you left.

Yeah.

I went, God, too much cars.

No, I like cars, but a little week off is nice.

I sat there.

I'll sit on a couple of cocktails.

Which ones?

I had a Pina Colada.

Lovely.

I think.

Yes, I had a Mojito.

Lovely.

Anything rumb-based is pretty good.

That's when you're rumb-based.

That's the one.

Yeah, a little rumb punch.

I saw a comment the other day that said,

why do they always say something based to J3?

You'll have to wait.

You'll have to find that out.

Other cremers will let you know in the comments.

Would you like, now, Ben, you've been away for a while,

but you've been putting news and stuff in.

So, I'm hoping you've come prepared.

You've been putting things in.

So, you put in here something about a Ravuelto Roadster rumour.

So, there you go.

I'm assuming that's like the rumoured Ravuelto Roadster.

That's about the rumoured Ravuelto Roadster.

Try saying that three times fast.

Okay. Oh, cool. Let's move on.

That's great.

There are rumours.

Okay.

About the Ravuelto Roadster.

Now, hold on.

Stop the press.

There have been many spy shots of the Ravuelto SV testing.

I was going to say rumours.

People have started to wonder about...

People have started to ruminate.

I promise to the listeners I can speak.

I just can't because these guys heckle me and interrupt me.

I think it's because you don't come prepared and you talk to fill the brain time,

but your brain cannot work simultaneously.

Also, look at these strings being pulled.

It's not me actually.

They're off-camera guys.

It's them.

This is like to the teacher going,

no, sir, he's actually messing with me when you turn your back.

I'll say it right now then.

Okay.

So, the SV Ravuelto...

What? Come on then.

The SV Ravuelto has been spotted,

but Lamborghini typically will release the normal car,

then a proverbial one, and then they'll go on to the special dish once.

Yes.

They haven't done that.

And that got people wondering, where is it?

Perhaps rumours are circulated.

And apparently they may not be able to actually make a Ravuelto Roadster.

Because of the way the hybrid system is set up

and because of loads of other stuff I don't understand,

they might not be able to cut the roof off it.

So, because of that...

Interesting.

But then there's one thing that I'm confused about,

which is that the Phenomenon, though,

where is that one-off thing,

they announced a couple of weeks ago,

a convertible version of that,

which is a Ravuelto underneath.

So, now I'm confused.

Interesting.

But there is no current plan for a convertible one.

The moment you said that, I realised something.

The mirror and the contache never had convertibles.

No.

So, it's in the DNA.

But would you not want that?

Yeah, no, it would.

It would sell.

Yeah.

So, I don't know, but that's the rumour.

So, who knows what will happen next?

God, we'll have to keep an eye on these rumours.

What will people in Miami do?

Yeah, exactly.

And they'll have Dubai.

They'll get a sort of second-hand hurricane, won't they?

I would say that makes sense.

It's not going to rent it out.

Yeah.

And then a C7 Corvette as well.

Well, moving on to more news things,

back to it, we spoke about Lotus saying that they're coming...

Okay.

That's interesting.

They're coming out with a new supercar,

which I've read into a little bit more that it could be in a spree.

Yeah.

The rumour is that it will be called in a spree.

And it's a V8.

Okay.

It's a V8.

And who do you think they're collaborating with on that V8?

It's not AMG, is it?

Benjamin.

It's going to be.

British company.

Jack.

No.

It's Renault and Geely.

I read it.

Hold on, hold on.

A V8.

So, from Renault and Geely.

So, Renault's doing one half of a V.

Geely's doing the other half.

And Lotus are just...

You know.

Lotus is going, please don't.

Which one is going to make the issues?

Maybe they'll both make the issues.

They cancel out.

Well, that's quite beautiful.

Yeah.

Yeah, it won't be.

It'll be probably a bag of shit.

But we'll see.

So, the rumour is that it will be a 986bhp V8 engine, the hybrid.

Oh, hybrid.

Okay, okay.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

I want to know how much of this is engine.

Is it going to be like 8 tons of electric motors and then just whatever.

Now, I would be...

You know what intrigues me more is that Renault will then have access to the V8.

I want to see a mark, a V6 type where they go,

screw it.

We're putting it in a Twizy and then just the V8 Twizy comes out.

Just on the Gan.

Also, I think we've got this in there at some point.

We predicted the Nardo.

Yeah.

We talked about the Nardo a few weeks before Villadest,

which is the big show by Lake Como, I think, where they look rich people bring rich people cars.

And things come out the woodwork that haven't been seen in a while.

We mentioned the Volkswagen Nardo a week or two before any of this came out.

And then they popped up.

They went, time is talking about it.

A car no one's talked about in...

Well, no, not no one, but I haven't thought about it in 10, 15 years.

Up he comes.

There he is.

And they went, oh, is that on the woodcast?

Better get it out for the weekend.

Ferdinand, mate.

Pierre, can we find Nardo?

Off it goes.

Mate, go on.

Apparently, the Holdings Group, Geely's Holdings Group type of thing.

Geely's Holdings Group?

Geely Holding Group.

There you go.

They put together like this company with Renault that was like then it's called Horse Power Train.

Oh, it's horse.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I know about this.

Oh, you know about Horse Power Train?

It's just they're called horse.

Yeah.

Horse Power Train.

A joint venture between Renault and Geely.

They started it like four years ago and they are going to be the boys putting together this V8.

Because I think horse is what the engines in the new Clio's are going to be.

They're just going to be horse engines.

No, I don't know.

I've heard that.

Yeah.

It's not the best name.

You know, Horse Power, I can see where someone's brain went.

Well, let's not call it Horse Power, but if we call it Horse Power Trains,

they'll read between the lines.

It just, you just named it an animal.

What's in there?

I got a horse.

It's horse.

Yeah.

Horse in there.

That's the horse one, isn't it?

They're running a twin horse in there.

But I'm interested.

I'm interested.

It is a new V8.

So I guess, you know, could be cool, but also, you know, the people that involved it could also not.

Very cool.

You're not willing to see what happens.

I'm willing to test and find out.

And then on Lotus, I have no information about this one.

This is hearsay.

Cool, man.

It's actually not.

There's some proof here.

Rumours.

This is a rumour.

Actually, it's more than a rumour at this stage, because Lotus have posted about it.

Lotus posted about a sort of zesty Amira.

I saw this.

But it's a four-cylinder potentially.

It's the noise.

The noise was V6, I believe.

Oh, I heard four-cylinder.

I heard V6.

Ben, could you pull up the Lotus Instagram page while we talk as we do it?

Engine cover looked weird.

Like, isn't there already a V6?

Yeah.

But there's already a four-cylinder.

Is there?

Yeah.

The option for that was when the Amira came out, it was Ben's taking a picture of me.

It's trying to get signal or something.

I don't know.

Oh, that's a V6.

Yeah.

Oh, that's a V6.

Well, what I think is it will be...

I don't know.

Again, I haven't read it.

No.

All I've heard is that it might be when they come out with a Vora 900 0

Because it says lighter, faster.

Yeah.

So it'll be a sort of lightened Amira.

But I think that's quite interesting.

Also, Lotus just at the moment going, not rumouring it, no rumours from Lotus.

Don't like it.

They do not do rumours.

They just put something on the internet.

Everyone goes, when did you decide that?

Weren't you dead a minute ago?

People at Lotus going, hey, whoa, we didn't know about this.

And then we've got to build a car.

Have you seen what Jim's posted?

I can't do that by Tuesday.

Yeah, it's lighter.

I've got a V6 as well.

Yeah, the four cylinders from the Muck.

Yeah.

Which also had a dual clutch or an auto or whatever.

And I don't think anyone bought it.

So they said.

Sinara.

And then they went, oh, no, get the V8 going.

Get the horse going.

Ben, morning's big news from you.

I've been preparing again.

Big news, Ben.

Ferrari HC25.

Tell me, talk to me.

What's that mean?

Yes.

Oh, wow.

That takes me back a couple of weeks.

A couple of weeks.

Where?

Yeah.

This was posted seven days ago.

The article I'm reading seven days ago.

I have it.

I just put it up.

Perhaps not even you heard it here third.

You heard it here about 15th.

The Ferrari HC25.

So what's that then?

This is a one off.

No.

Of basically it's based on the Horatio Ciacani.

That's the usually that the letters are the name of the person who's questioned it.

That's the one.

No.

It's Henry Cavill.

No way.

I didn't know he's into that.

Yeah.

And he's only 25.

So it's all good.

The hang on.

Here we go.

I've lost it.

It's just three of them.

I've literally opened the back door to his brain.

Throw a flashbang in and just shut it.

Walked off.

The HC25 is based on F8 Tributo.

So I don't know why they've done a one off with their least spicy powertrain.

Okay.

But fine.

I would argue their best looking car, right?

Yes.

And do you know what?

This thing, apart from the stupid black bits on it that are like they do all of their cars,

I quite like it.

Is it easy got a moustache?

Some sort of.

But it doesn't look like a moustache as much.

Well, how would you know he's Italian without a moustache?

Exactly.

The wheels have like a blade.

They remind me of the RS3.

They remind me of Audi wheels from the 2000s.

Okay.

I think that's kind of cool.

I think it looks cool.

I don't like the black accents on it, apart from that.

Do you know what?

I'm going to say it.

Ferrari do not have the ability to do special editions like one offs like Lamborghini do.

Yeah.

Lamborghini always make like a even new one.

Couldn't Ash is good?

The Scion I'm not a fan of.

What's the other one?

Because Reventon, top, top, top guy, top bins.

Absolute best special edition ever.

You took the best model you ever made, in my opinion, and then made it into a fighter jet thing.

That's cool.

Ferrari always just go,

we have put a swells and some shark fin on him.

Basically a 10 million euro.

No, still based on the V8 thing as well.

Do more V12 stuff.

Yeah.

That's you.

Ferrari, you are.

That's like, that is you.

You are V12.

And they're going, eh, that sounds like a V8.

I don't get it.

Because what?

Okay.

So it's for very special customers, what they're calling their client, right?

A VSP.

Yeah.

So do you think that's who we don't know who HPC is?

It doesn't say on the thing I read.

Homer Simpson.

Great spelling.

I don't get why, I mean it's their car, but why would you choose what is effectively,

are they still making the F8?

I thought that, I thought they were finished up.

When you said F8, I thought it's not like a 10 year old Ferrari or something.

Yeah, it's the 488 successor, right?

It's relatively new, but they have cars that are spicier than that.

You could probably make look like that.

Like a 296, surely you take a 296 and do that.

That's going to have cost a lot of money for them.

Oh, they cost like millions.

The one-offs always cost multiple millions.

Exactly.

But then why would you not do that with like,

even like a 296, which is going to be more powerful than that?

Yeah.

I don't know.

Crazy.

But hey, sounds like rich people with money get to do whatever they want.

When are we going to get the BR25 or something?

Yeah, next year.

What would you have, Ben?

What would you like them to do?

Because usually they take a car and they take an inspiration from something else.

Like the Eric Clapton's car.

It was based on a 512BB.

That's what it was supposed to look like.

Oh, really?

What did he?

He's a guitarist, isn't he?

Was it a 430?

No, it was a 458.

A 458, which was meant to look like a 512.

So that's another one.

They based it on a V8.

But then when...

I guess they haven't got a V12 that fits the bill.

No.

So, Ben, what would you have?

I would have.

Do I have?

Really simple.

It's a Lamborghini event store.

On my driveway.

Made by Ferrari.

Oh, it has to be a Ferrari?

Yeah.

Oh, I don't care.

No, you have to.

What's your best Ferrari?

458 to me.

Okay.

So you want a new...

You want a 2025 296.

But they have retro...

Resto modded it to look like a 458.

Ben, his delivery of your F8 Tributo, sir.

I don't know.

Can I do Lamborghini?

Sure, why not?

What is the one off of a...

I mean, you've got to come up with some mad Italian name now.

You could have just called it the BR25 and then you'd put yourself on.

Okay, I'll do Ferrari then.

Okay, I'll have a...

The drivetrain.

It has to be a new drivetrain.

What's going on here?

I don't understand.

What car would you like them to build?

It's based on a new car.

A car they currently sell, but looks like wherever you want it.

Oh, I've got you.

It's kind of like a modern day F40.

Okay.

So like the Testarossa thing that they...

No, it doesn't look like one.

Like the thing that...

What's his name wants to make?

The Lewis Hamilton.

You see?

Lewis Hamilton.

Yeah, the...

Yeah, that.

Okay, cool.

Basically that.

So you just want to link up with Lewis Hamilton and say,

Yo, let's get this thing done.

What's that, man?

How much do you reckon you need to make it happen?

Oh, big.

What's that?

10 mil.

I think more.

You probably do need more.

No, I think 10 mil.

Okay.

Oh, that's Ben.

Ben's shooting negotiating pants with Ferrari.

Oh, that's a good amount of money.

That's steep.

But I'll get Ben.

Ben goes, what?

I'll just go elsewhere.

What are you developing?

You know what I mean?

The drivetrain there.

You've got to shape it a metal one.

It's just...

Makes a lot of sense though.

They have a twin turbo V8 like...

Yeah, it's not messing around.

Makes no sense.

What would you have?

I would have a...

I would get them to re...

I want a 250 GT California styled, but using a...

Look, an 812 Competizione.

So, you can't have that.

Why is that then?

Because an 812 doesn't exist anymore.

Whatever is called, mate.

12th lindry.

That's the one.

12th lindry.

Sure, man.

Thanks very much.

Even I forgot that.

Yeah.

Didn't have a clue.

I saw one the other day on the road.

And whew, they do have some road presence.

Chased out.

And some noise.

They are chunky.

When we were at Supercar Driver, and it was Schminer-less.

Yes.

Old Schmi McGee.

And...

And he was driving his beige one.

I'm sure it has a name.

It's beige.

It's the brown barge.

The brown Schmi McGee.

And it...

Coming down the straight.

I got it from the front.

The induction noise.

Geez.

Really good.

It's like CSL level of...

And that's in like standard air box stuff.

It was...

Pretty cool noise.

This is my TG film.

It's all that guy.

You're off.

Crazy noise.

William, what are you having?

Uh...

Whoa...

But...

So, it's got to be based on...

I would have some...

I'd like them to make me a mid-engined V12 thing.

Using their V12.

Like Testerosa type.

Like Testerosa.

I'd like 512 shape.

I want to change my answer.

I want an F8 Tributo base.

I want to make it 355.

Now that I'd like.

Now that is spicy.

Yeah.

I like that.

Okay.

We'll like how that one sounds.

Yeah.

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What we have next?

Oh, this is Vision BMW Alpina.

What's this?

So this was, I think it was from that...

Ville d'Este.

That's the next, the badger.

They revealed a thing.

I'll show it to you.

We'll have things on the screen,

because we have no TV, because I don't want to put it on that.

Ooh.

I don't...

Okay.

Now, I felt bad for...

You're not allowed to see it, Ben.

I've seen it.

You just have to imagine it.

Oh, you see it?

Yeah, I see it.

I felt bad for liking it.

Because it kind of looks like the Jag thing.

Now, we'll describe it for the audio listeners.

Oh, sorry.

Yeah, I thought he said wheel.

No, I didn't mean to say wheel.

So imagine the Jag concept thing you've already seen,

but just a million times better.

Yeah.

So now I did read some of the...

Some of the shit.

It has.

Imagine if a Rolls-Royce designer was asked to do a BMW,

brackets, they work for the same company,

as like a big, long eight series, but modern type thing.

It's quite cool.

It's like a vision car.

So it's a bit like...

This is what we could do in the future.

And it's going to go in your Gran Turismo game,

and you're going to go, I don't want this.

I don't care that it's free.

There's some lines here about it.

It says, the front end is defined by powerful volumes

and a forward leaning stance that promises speed

without overstatement.

The shark knows, re-interprets BMW's kidney grille

as a three-dimensional sculpture

that leads the car's form and frames...

Sorry.

...leads the car's form and frames the brand emblem

with quiet confidence.

From this, shark knows the exterior is organised around a single shape.

Ben, can you translate that?

I would say, plenty of it.

It looks good, doesn't it?

That's nice, isn't it?

It's like a long one, isn't it?

I'd say, so basically what we've done

is we've made that nose just a bit big.

No, actually.

It says, rising from the lower front corners

at six degree inclination, runs alongside of the body

and wraps around the rear, assertive enough to suggest motion,

controlled enough to remain refined.

Cool.

Which is exactly what I thought.

That's what I saw, really.

That's what...

Ben...

Listen, bro, you hit the word count, all right?

Ben, I would like, please, the marketing thing

that we do, where we derive meaning from marketing.

What does the six degrees come from?

The six degrees comes from the fact that

it took us approximately six hours

to write this silly explanation.

Very nice.

And also, there were six designers,

which leads back to BMW's heritage of piston numbers.

Usually, six.

Very nice.

Clean, I like that.

Good.

All right, good.

Yeah, but behind the rear console, there's glass water bottle

that sits beside BMW Alpina crystal glasses

that rise on a self-deploying mechanism,

and each glass is engraved with 20 deco lines

and features a six-degree rim profile

held by concealed magnets.

There's a space.

Magnets.

Magnets and softly lit against the open grain center console.

Here's one for you.

Shut up.

No.

That's a cup holder.

You can't tell me that this is...

That's a cup holder.

Is that not a cup holder?

Also, if I want a bit of water while I'm driving,

and I have to wait for the symphony of it

to rise out of the dashboard,

I just want to reach for it.

Also, crazy, if you're driving, sorry, mate,

can you just decant that glass bottle

into one of my six-degree cups?

Yeah, the one with the 20 deco lines,

just a sat flush there with the wood grain interior.

Shut up.

Someone gets paid to write this stuff.

It's mental.

And who's listening?

Who's listening to this?

It really is.

But I think it looks quite cool.

Yeah, fair.

If BMW...

Because I don't like modern BMWs very much.

No.

And most of the designs look like ass,

but they've had like one or two little concepts

that's been like, you know what, these.

But it feels...

Do this.

It feels like there's like two or three people at BMW

who are just fighting everyone else.

They're just walking in and going,

No!

I will not let you do this.

I X3.

Right.

I'm going to find him in the cafeteria and beat him.

Also, because this is simple.

There's not...

It has a massive grille that's not really a grille.

So obviously it's going to be electric and whatever else.

And...

But it's other than that, it's not that crazy.

There are no mad lines and it has this really...

Almost like this where the inner part of the door

sort of falls away and then there's a sill that comes back out.

So it looks wide and angry.

This is how you design a car.

And then they'll put that out

and it'll be slabsided.

It will look like a dead fish.

And...

Well, just people will buy it, won't they?

It's going to be a crossover.

Yeah, and people will buy it.

And then we'll be, you know, it's...

We won't care anymore.

But I thought that looked quite cool.

When I saw BMW concept, I thought, oh, here we go.

But I thought it looked right.

Once again, old Ben shouting at the clouds.

Edwin, you've put in here a shout out for the...

For Benjaneering.

Yeah, just a small one.

We were...

Benjaneering, aka Hack Engineering, brought the E46M3 back to here

because we didn't have time to go and film the pickup of it.

And I thought he was getting a lift back.

I thought they were coming in two cars.

He was like, no, I'll just get the train back.

I was like, crazy.

Crazy to do that.

And then he went, do you want to hand me the RS6?

Just stayed and spent 45 hours with us on just working on the RS6.

Just a massive shout out to Ben.

Just the nicest dude.

I was at MRC having our injectors tested.

And it took a long, long time because we had to test a lot of injectors.

And I came back and Edwin and Ben were stood at the door

because they came out with the camera.

And I saw someone working away on the RS6.

And we were in the trenches at this point.

This was tough.

It was the pinch bolt at the top of the arm on the RS6

that many Audi people have recognized since.

And he was just working away at it.

Yeah, working away.

It felt a little bit like we had him as a...

He couldn't leave.

I kept saying to him, do you want to go now?

And he was like, no, I'll just stay until it's done.

And he just takes his family and said, please help me.

Maybe they will not let me leave.

Yeah, I'm not.

Ben, mate, have your phone quickly.

No, I'll take that.

Go give Hack Engineering a follow.

Shout out to Ben.

Shout out.

Niceest man.

And because you have to share the same name.

And because you made your sticker, right?

I have many stickers.

And they say?

Ben Gineering on them.

As you do.

Because you are a Ben Gineer.

Are you not?

Hold on.

I don't think Ben's a Ben Gineer.

I love those from that.

Edwin, you've put in here a 206 Elephant ad.

Yes, I don't have that much information on it.

But the 206 Elephant ad, if we all know what this is,

this is the early 2000s.

Ben, you're too young for it, I bet.

How early in the 2000s was it?

So you don't know if you knew.

I don't know.

There is a Peugeot ad.

It was, I think it became quite...

What would you call it?

I would call that something viral.

Divisive also as well.

Oh, really?

Yeah, at one point I remember seeing an article on it.

But essentially, the setting is a man in India.

He sees a 206, an advert.

He looks at his boxy old 80 cars at 80s car

and decides to form a 206 out of it

with an elephant sitting on it and what such.

That's a real car.

That's... It exists.

It's in a museum.

I saw this.

Is it just a battered 206?

I believe it's made out of like a Plasticine mold or something.

I saw a comment on Instagram,

but it was the actual car is in a museum.

I believe it's in France.

But I always thought it's just CGI or something.

But no, that's the actual thing.

I still... We've talked about this a couple of times.

And again, this could be, like you said, just old boys

going, I was scared.

They used to be better in my day.

But since I've been buying old magazines,

and I've been looking at adverts, just print adverts,

they're just some of the slogans, photos.

They're just so much better.

They're so good.

They're the way things are advertised now.

We were looking...

I think maybe we'll do a little...

We'll collect a few and just go through.

Maybe even if it's just for Instagram or something.

I think it's the same thing.

As you know, there is that meme that every man on earth

believes he could land the plane if needed to.

If you'd be like, I could do that.

I'll step up and do it.

I believe I'd make a really good advertiser.

Yeah.

Like, I reckon I could do adverts,

because I'd just be like, no, just make a good one.

Meanwhile, when we spoke to Al Clarke, he was like,

I know, they have rules for everything.

You can't say this and you can't do that.

All the ones I've looked at, they've always been relatively simple.

I'm like, why couldn't you apply that?

Do you know what?

I'm putting a mark in the ground here.

Nobody else gets to steal this now.

When we do the Cream Yearly book or magazine, car manufacturers,

you're allowed to put whatever ads you want.

You can go crazy with it in us, because it's not technically...

But we have to be approved as a cool advert.

We can make one.

Yeah, we will make your adverts for you.

Denzer.

Get in there, son.

Denzer, mate.

We'll do it.

But that's what every advert now is a...

They've become like perfume, where they have to have a celebrity

or a Hollywood face that's like,

this car is nine degrees of beans and crystal glasses in the back.

Whereas I don't want that.

Give me a cool advert that I can relate to.

But some of the...

Just all the BMW ones, even like...

I saw a Rover one.

I was like, that's pretty cool.

Even a Rover one.

Again, we'll put some together, maybe, and go over them in another podcast.

But adverts with weather...

Well, that's me.

You know, I almost dropped my laptop.

We'll maybe drop some laptops off, but also turn into a seven-year-old child.

Adverts will actually be better.

But I don't care what anyone...

It might be a little bit of nostalgia, like a little bit.

I think you can then look back at those cars and go,

now that car's cool to me.

But I still think the core advertising part of it,

the thing that makes your brain go,

do you know what?

That's quite cool.

I want to buy it.

It was better.

Yeah, it was, for sure.

100% better.

I put in here Drake, CLKDTM.

I saw this and I don't know anything.

Okay, so I don't follow Drake.

Okay.

Who is Drake?

And he doesn't follow us yet.

Drake is a singer from Canada.

Okay.

A rapper, I think.

Right, that's what you would actually say.

And he's quite well-known.

Right, like he's got a couple of followers.

He's got a couple of followers and he's got a couple of songs that have done all right.

Right, okay.

And he's got some cars.

Oh, boy, does he have some cars.

Now, let me go off the top of my head.

He has a LaFerrari at one point.

There's an F40 in there.

Yeah, there is an F40.

An F50.

Oh, I didn't know about the F50.

I'm pretty sure there's an F50.

He's gone for the whole.

I haven't confirmed it, but I'm pretty sure I've seen it.

Okay.

And then what else do I know?

I know that he has lots of Maybach's and Merck's and things.

So there's, there is sort of generic rapper cars, right?

There are, and they tend to be quite modern.

We look back at cars like this and go, wow, they were cool,

but probably a lot of them are buying it because it was just the biggest,

most expensive Lamborghini you could buy.

And that is normally the case with modern stuff.

It'll be a Ravuelto or whatever.

But he posted, I don't know the context for this.

I've just seen a screenshot from his Instagram.

And this is just a Scotty CLK DTM.

Whoa.

So I'm going to read it.

Now, does he really know game?

Is it a coupé or is it convertible?

It's a convertible.

Whoa.

So it's a convertible.

Now next to it.

That's crazy.

Is an XJ220.

Yo.

And then next to that, but on the other side, sorry, of the CLK DTM,

is what appears to be some sort of pink on pink early L322 Range Rover.

Sorry.

Yeah.

Now, now you, now going back.

Whoa.

Now going back to my early 2000s.

Now that's a, that's a, is that an early L322?

It's an early because I can see the square, the boxy light.

So it's super early.

Because Mace had a, I think it, I think it was a pink.

There was a pink L322, but I think it was candy pink.

Now I wonder if that would be quite cool if he's going around collecting old wrappers cars.

It's a pink Range Rover.

I want to know what's the story on that.

Can we have a, doing a little walk around tour of Drake's car collection?

Again, it's not, they seem to be kind of, I don't know if it's an investment thing or what,

but they're kind of enthusiast type car.

He appears to have the garage from GTA 5 online as well.

That's quite interesting.

Now is it silver DTM?

That is a silver DTM, but, and then a silver XJ220.

Because there were, there were some one-off colors.

You could, I think you could only ever get the CLK DTM in silver,

but there were some black cars built.

That's crazy.

I've seen some research on the Range Rover.

There's a few people saying things in the comments.

I can't go off to say them because I don't know if they're true,

but we'll look into that.

But I want to have a look at what other cars he's got.

Yeah.

Is he actually into the car?

I always wonder if some of these people that obviously,

that they have their main fashion, their job, the thing they're famous for,

but do they, some of them got to be really into cars.

Yeah.

And they just don't, it's not their job, it's hobby.

Oh dude, you need one of those XJ220 Jags.

And he goes, I bought XJ220, it's kind of niche.

That's quite very niche.

But like CLK DTM, I can say it's an early 2000s AMG.

For memory, none of them were shipped from factory there.

So therefore, it would have to be an import.

It would have to be, you'd have to go out of your way.

You could have just stumbled upon it.

You have to go, all right, let me have that.

But if any of you know of any cool rappers or musicians or actors that have got cool cars,

because I always get really interested in this,

but then the content and the information you find online is always dross.

It'll be a mirror article or some AI written article.

The top 10 cars that Eminem owns.

Number one, Bugatti Devo.

No, he doesn't.

You chopper.

And there'll be no evidence of it.

Or it'll be someone where they drove it in a movie and they go, that's the car.

No, that's what their character drove in a movie.

It's not the same.

We talked, I don't know if we've talked about it before,

but the MTV Cribs 50 cent one, where he supposedly had an Enzo, an F40, an F50.

And then his big thing at the end was my Pontiac Grand Am,

or G6.

Sorry.

I think it was because he was sponsored.

But none of those cars he owned.

He didn't own any of the Ferraris.

It was just a...

Because that was the G-Unit one?

The G-Unit wasn't there.

And they go around all the cars and it was the Escalade.

I think a Navigator in there.

A 760 Li.

It was a 760 with all...

They were like relatively standard and then just had massive wheels and massive sound systems.

And then a completely stock 300c that had just come out, like stock,

a car that you'd see now and go...

They were all like, this is sick.

I think that was a...

I think they said you can't even...

Is it not that you can't even get these?

These aren't even on the street right now or something like that.

But that is a joke that we have among ourselves in the unit,

that if you can't find enough part, you say,

you can't even get these.

I can't even get these things.

It comes from that.

But whenever I look for Drake's car collection now,

it just comes up with that CLK DTM.

So Drake, mate, if...

Look, we're both on Spotify.

We know what the game's like.

We've got a couple of streams too.

Just let us know.

We'll come over.

I don't know where you live, what county in the UK you live in.

But we're willing to come over.

We'll pay for lunch.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We've got a couple...

There's some great meal deal options around here.

Like we can do a bang up setup.

Edwin, you've been here.

Birmingham final boss.

Yes.

Now, this is a photo.

So unfortunately, the audio listeners will have to see this on video,

but I'll do my best to explain.

I'm going to show it to you.

And you're going to tell me why this...

This is a photo that I saw of a car on the road,

is the final boss of Birmingham.

Here you go.

Can you see what car is that?

That is an X5M.

So it appears to be an X5M.

Now, can you see what's going on here?

Oh my God.

Is that two fog lights?

Two rain lights on the diffuser?

Double...

No.

Double F1 fog lights.

He is twinning.

And he's got the little canards on the bumper as well,

to probably stand and see.

So it's two rain lights.

X5M, but he has got not one...

Oh, hello, mate.

They're not that...

Not one rain light, but a double on the other side.

He's so fast.

He needs two rain lights.

He needs to let every...

When he hits those brakes and he's coming in through the esses,

he's got to let everyone know I'm a big unit.

Wide load.

Do watch out for me.

Double F1 rain lights is crazy work.

That's a crazy one.

Also, what looked to be possibly in a standard diffuser?

I don't know too much about those.

It was...

It had aftermarket wheels and it had a Maxton looking kit.

Okay, so that might be a kit.

I think it might have had a full kit.

But crazy.

Double F1...

Did you see them working?

No.

Now they weren't under-breaking.

They weren't to-breaking.

Which is so...

Maybe he has the full...

I'm functioning over form here.

It's for when I'm racing and when I put the wets on.

When I'm on Spa and I'm coming through the O'Rouche,

I have to let the F1 cars...

Because they're behind me, obviously.

You joke about it and he goes,

safety does not take a day off.

Okay, so that's a fog light.

You know what?

I'm out here waiting to see the Quad F1 rain lights.

It'll happen at some point, just all the way around or something.

Right, Ben, you've put in here GTC4 Lusso manual.

I have indeed.

And that's because somebody has manual swapped a GTC4 Lusso.

That's interesting.

Now...

I'll show you the video.

I've seen the video.

Okay.

What's going on here?

Why is everyone so...

There's Tom Fuller here.

Is it fake?

A jar.

I think...

Just play the video.

Okay, so there's the man.

He's shifting.

He's got the tool.

He's got the tool shifter.

Gated.

It's metal.

It does look a bit odd.

It's quite raised, right?

That's it.

It's looped again.

Yeah.

So that's what I saw.

So it's a GTC...

If people don't know, GTC4 Lusso is...

The wagon.

It's pretty cool.

I quite like them.

It's also a Ferrari wagon thing.

It's a two-door.

Like a hatchback.

Yes, two-door, four-seat.

From about 10 years ago?

Yeah, it was the evolution of the FF.

And they were never manual.

And this person has put in a manual transition.

But will?

I don't know.

Again, I've done no research.

It's just from me seeing that video.

It's just the shifts were super fast.

It almost felt like it was...

Like it was meant to look like a gated manual.

But it was actually...

It's just going up a gear.

Yeah.

And you go up a gear.

Because I couldn't see much leg movement.

But Ben, feel free to...

Hold on a second.

Oh, uh-oh.

There's no...

The left leg doesn't move on the shift.

I'm watching again.

Which is why I think it's a simulated...

It's just...

I guess you would...

Again, I don't know the stuff.

But it would just be the up paddle or the down paddle.

Going through the gears.

So it's like a motor that is...

It's actuating it when you shift.

Yeah.

Interesting.

But designed to be mechanical.

Now, the reason that I was going to say that I...

When you first said it,

was how would that overcome that sixth gear thing?

Because supposedly in the FF...

I don't know if it's the FF as...

But I think it's the GTC4.

They have it.

They disengage the all-wheel drive system in sixth gear

because they have that issue where all-wheel drive,

they can't handle high speed.

How would you program that in to a manual?

Yeah.

I have the answer.

I did some research.

Brushes, you look below the...

In the comments.

Yeah, okay.

In the comments.

So what it actually is,

is it's a gated shifter looking...

Gated shifter looking at us.

And as you...

As you...

It all it does is bypass the paddles.

So...

There you go.

Basically, as you shift for a first second,

it's to turn the car like when you press the paddle wood.

Do that.

So...

So you go, William...

William...

Bloody Sherlock here.

Absolutely.

They were straight to the bottom of the case.

Right.

It's the case of the man's leg not moving.

You can hear a manual.

Like, you can...

There is an obvious delay.

I don't care.

You could be DMO shifting.

But like, there are still...

You can still tell a manual.

And that still sounded like it.

And yeah, the leg is not moving.

Crazy Ben is bringing us fake news onto this podcast.

I thought it was interesting how...

I didn't quite get that.

Do you know what that feels like?

It feels...

You know when electric cars do that?

Yeah.

It does feel a lot like that.

It's like, why would you...

It might be more fun, but it just feels weird.

Also, it's a bit belt and braces.

It's like, oh, I've got five different ways to change gears.

Also, I feel like save the parts,

save those manual parts for the cars that actually want to be converted.

Unless they're remade, in which case, cool.

But interesting.

Interesting.

I'll say, yeah, do like a GCC4.

Now, shall we end on a little want of the week?

Now, Benjamin Rogers over here has put this in.

And asked for a want of the week.

I noticed this.

He put one to the weekend while he was in Barbados.

While you were away.

No.

What happened was, I put it in a few weeks ago,

to have a want of the week.

And then we never got to it.

Ah.

And then I put it in again because I still want to.

Because I saw it while you were away.

I was like, what's he seeing out there?

What are you thinking about?

He's as if he's left.

It's like a 2012.

It's a Margarita.

I would like an Alfa Romeo of sorts.

Oh, sorry.

And this will even be...

Hold on, maybe it's controversial.

No, you're not going to like this.

A new one?

I saw a 4C in person.

They're quite cool.

And you know what?

I like that.

Yeah.

Not for 50 grand, but I like that.

Aye, you bothered me.

Why is that?

Because you said you don't get Alfa.

Yeah.

But it's not every Alfa, is it?

What are you talking about?

I feel like it's the least...

Well, no, what's that?

I like the Alfa.

It's not the Alfa though.

It's possibly one of the most Alfa Alphas.

No, I think it's one of the least Alfa Alphas.

My 159 outside is just...

It looks like an Alfa, but it's GM stuff.

Okay, that's fair.

But I mean, for a performance Alfa,

it feels like it's not.

It's a little Fauslander in a little mid-engine car.

Okay, other than mid-engine,

but that's kind of what Alfa was based on was Fauslander.

I thought they were big V6 boys and like BUSO and stuff.

That's what you're saying.

That's 80s, 90s.

But it is their thing.

They made it, is what I'm saying.

To me, yeah, yeah.

But to me, it feels like...

I don't know.

It doesn't feel like an Alfa, maybe I'm wrong.

Probably am.

It's a bit more...

It's like their solution to an Alpine or an Elise or something.

It's like a hot hatch, but in the back.

Now, do you like...

Which headlights did you see?

I have a controversial take.

Don't even say it.

No, no, no.

Don't speak.

No, no, no, no.

Just don't...

We know what you're going to say.

Go on, say anything.

You like the bug lights.

You're a weirdo.

Which is that?

The early ones.

The one without a lens?

Yeah, the one with the little dots.

I don't.

No, then that's not controversial.

That's what kind of worldwide everyone plays on.

Let me actually give my answer.

In an ideal world, I would have a coupé, so not convertible,

because I think that looks better,

but that they come with the bug lights.

Yes, so I'd have the normal headlights on a coupé.

I believe...

I might be wrong, but I believe that all of the lights switched over from the spider.

So I think you can still buy a coupé, but it's just a late one.

Okay, as far as...

Okay, that's what I thought was that the silly bug lights were on just the spiders.

But...

Maybe they're...

Either way.

They're the early ones.

Right.

Which is coupé.

Have you seen the inside one?

Yeah, I've seen the inside one.

It's tough.

It's hard. It's badly made.

It's got a stupid radio.

It's got twisty little knobs.

It's...

The drone dash looks aftermarket as hell.

Like the dashes.

I guess it kind of adds to it some of its characteristics.

I looked up how much they cost.

I thought, you know what?

That was like 40 grand when it came out.

I remember it.

I remember them coming out and I thought,

that's a lot of money for what that is.

And then I thought,

surely by now that's 10, 15 grand max.

No, 40, 50 grand.

They just haven't dropped in value.

Because they're very rare.

And they are quite...

It's because they're carbon tub.

Carbon tub, yeah.

It is quite a cool...

Like what?

That's a lot of money.

But to get something that has a carbon tub.

Yeah.

As a...

It's sort of super correct.

It's just the engine.

The engine's quite good.

But you can get that engine in a 159.

I'd really, really like to do one on TDC at some point.

And I would like to v6 manual swap.

Oh, yeah.

A real-wheel drive carbon tub,

like Busso manual, would be fantastic.

Yeah.

Because also running it front-wheel drive spec.

So you just leave the gearbox front-wheel drive.

So you don't have anything coming down the tunnel.

Like what it has there.

Get some cables going to it.

Well, hey.

Even the new v6...

Yeah.

The 2.2, was it 2.9 or whatever it is?

The twin-turbo thing.

Oh, God, that would be...

That would be...

How cool would that be?

That would be quick as well.

That would be fast.

But that's another point.

Wasn't that what I was going to say?

They are...

They're quick.

Like standard.

Was it...

They're like 4.9...

They're 4.1 seconds to 60.

4.1.

Yeah.

That's what I just read.

That's crazy.

4.1.

Wasn't there a thing when they came out,

where it was all very Italian?

But they were like,

It weighs a tonne.

Yeah.

And then they saw it was actually like 1.2.

Yeah.

But I actually saw it more like 1.3.

And then if you put fluids in it...

Or if you sat in it.

It's actually a two-tonne car, basically.

Because it was like a carbon-turb and whatever else.

But it was alpha.

So they were like,

It weighs 800 kilos, actually,

if you don't have any fluids or people or wheels or tires

or electronics or anything in it.

I think it's still a light car.

Yeah.

But it's not what it should have been,

which is like a lease light.

Yeah, exactly.

Like super simple type thing.

I'd love to know how many are made.

Because it has to be...

It's not how many I let this up.

Especially for right-hand drive,

there must be like 100 that got delivered.

Sorry.

I never see them.

Okay.

They made four Cs.

Again, this is Google AI,

so someone feel free to do more research than I'm doing.

And actually, I'm seeing it in a forum post here as well.

9100 total four Cs built.

Really?

I can't see the divide.

They made them for seven years, 9,000 units,

and the coupé was 2013 to 2019.

1,200 round drive ones.

That's what?

Where are they?

Yeah.

That's enough to see them once a year, at least.

They can't rot because they're carbon.

They can't...

Where are they?

I need to know where they all are now.

Also, why are they so expensive?

There's that many of them.

Well, I guess...

Yeah, it's weird.

I don't know.

If maintenance, I don't know.

I don't know much about them.

I think every once a year, I check up Alpha 4Cs

just to see if they've come down to some ridiculous price.

Because I think it would be...

Just seeing that outside on the driveway,

or just going out for a drive, and it would be quite cool.

There was a thing that I think Top Gear mentioned,

or Clarkson mentioned, that they're biblically wide,

for a small car.

Then they're almost 1.9 meters wide, which is mental.

They sound cool, though.

No, I'm not.

Just play one for you.

Because they're 1750 TBI.

Is it?

Yeah.

And it's like a dual clutch, I think.

Yeah.

Like gearbox.

So...

They do DSG farts.

That's what...

But I don't mind that noise coming out of a hatchback,

or even some form of small saloon.

But it's not special.

It's not special enough noise.

That's one of the worst videos I could have picked.

Also, do you know what that sounds like?

That sounds like my girlfriend's a bath.

Wait, I'm going again.

There we go.

That's horrible.

I thought I sounded all right.

That's horrible.

It lacks any kind of tone.

I don't mind the noise.

It just doesn't have a...

I think you would get tired of that noise at the time.

I thought it was Golf R, not really.

Yeah, but that's what I mean.

It's generic four-cylinder turbo noise.

Okay, well, then I'm...

But you still want one?

Controversial.

No, I do want one.

Yeah, I like them.

I think they're cool.

I thought I could see you.

You feel like.

No, I'm just destined for what I think is nice.

An Alpine A110 or a 4C, that's Ben Fodder.

Would you have that or the Alpine?

For the money, an Alpine 100%.

But if they were both 20 grand, then it would be more difficult.

Oh, no, but you already said you're a coupé man.

Because I was going to say there isn't a spider Alpine.

Yeah, well, I'm not necessarily not a convertible man.

I just prefer the coupé version of the 4C.

Fair.

Also, not that I see a lot of Alpines,

but 4Cs you go out and you know you're not singing.

Yeah, unless you go to wherever the other $8,000.

To the one man who's collected all of the right headlines.

There's a small Italian town somewhere.

It's just 8,000 alpha 4Cs.

Must be the US, surely?

Yeah, I think there's a lot of US.

Will, what's yours?

Wait, are you in a state of...

No, because you have been looking at things.

I have been looking at things,

but I can't do anything at the moment.

I'm just buying tires.

Are you still on that RS6 game?

And pipes.

Yeah.

You still like that?

I was still like an RS6, but the thought of owning an RS6

alongside of Mercy Argo could kill a man.

I think you're done.

Yeah, that could.

Like there's one bad month away from losing your house.

Gone.

Like just losing a place to live.

Blown smooth off.

Like you're just living in a car at that point.

You can't drive a house.

RS6 is tempting, but C6 is as we know are cheap,

but I don't think I could ever own one of those.

Because they're just too painful.

I had a thought the other day that if someone was super well off,

they could buy an Audi RS6 like ours, a C6 V10,

drive it until it breaks and then just buy another.

That would be better.

You'd be better off doing that.

If you were like silly money to just keep doing that.

Or run it on a sort of rotation where that one goes in,

you buy another.

Like normally that will break.

That one goes in.

You get your other one back.

You probably want like three.

So just when, because when one's in for downtime,

the other one might break.

So you need that third to just fall back on.

Just break.

And then you've got hundreds of thousands of pounds.

And you could be all in for like 25 grand.

Yeah.

A base.

Three of them.

But RS6 would be cool as a bit of a daily thing.

But again, I'm a little way off that.

C63 estate still, still there.

It's just such a cool, that idea of having a 6.2 liter crazy estate car.

Never happening again.

That would be cool.

RS4s I've gone off a little bit.

I think it's because we've been surrounded by certain...

Taylor's now got an RS4 event.

Alex had the saloon which has now gone and now has another event.

So I've seen a million of them.

And even though I haven't driven one, I've lost.

I've lost.

It's not special.

They've lost some of that specialness.

And I'm like, no one knows about them.

But I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

I'd like to drive one.

But I have a feeling I'll drive one.

And I'll say an E92 M3 is better than this.

And that would be my final one is an E92.

It's just one of those.

Comes around every so and so.

It's like Christmas.

Comes around once a year.

We're never ready for it.

My dad's got one.

It was like a cat D.

I think it was a cat D.

What could it be?

Cat C.

Don't know.

He will break me.

It was crash damaged in some way.

And he got it on eBay.

Quite cheap for it.

It was like an LE500.

So the limited edition one.

And that's just a very nice car.

Really nice car.

And just the noise it makes and the way it looks.

We saw one today at lunch.

Just lovely.

Beautifully.

And no doubt we'll see many at Monterey Carwick.

Oh, yes.

Which we're going to for the first time.

We are going to.

I think there was one or two there.

Do you remember?

No.

Never.

I just hope to see at least one while we're out there.

But yeah, that would be my one.

Edwin.

I desperately want an Audi, an Ur, S4 or S6.

Ur means what Ben in German?

Ultra rare.

It means original.

It's the shortened of the word original.

The original S4 and S6 are a 2.25 cylinder turbo.

They call it the 20 valve turbo, but not 1.80.

And they are, I want it for the noise.

I want a slab.

I want a slab of Audi 90s.

You probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

Do you?

I want it to mount.

Yeah?

Yeah.

Because they're a C3.

Yeah.

I actually do.

Well played, Ben.

I actually do know what it took them out.

I don't know anything about them.

I can visualize.

Yeah, I know.

C3 and C4.

C3 is my favorite.

That is an Audi 100 or 200.

Or if you're American, it's an Audi 5000, which is...

That's what they called it in the US.

They called it that.

And that's also, there is a slang term that when you say,

I'm Audi 5000, that means I'm leaving.

Okay.

Because I'm out of here.

That's actually what that is.

That is a classic that they had to give the Americans go,

oh, we can't just go with one number.

It's bigger.

It's got to be the 5000.

5000.

They simply won't understand it.

So, Audi 5000s in the UK were our equivalent, 100, 200 C3.

We never got with the big engine, the 2.2 Quattro.

That will be my dream.

But I don't know if we can do it.

If I can do it in terms of dealing with all of the swap stuff.

So, a URS6, saloon.

Oh, I want one so badly.

I want one so badly.

In fact, you met a guy called Aaron from Retro Garage,

who you might know on Instagram.

You met him at the Continental thing.

He then said, oh, I'm going to be at this event,

at Bista this weekend.

There's the Great British Jag show thing.

And I drove down there simply to talk to him about these cars.

And say, if you find one, can you tell me where it is?

Because I want one.

Because he chewed my ear off about Audi's,

and I realised how little I know about Audi's.

And I just said, Edwin would like to speak to you.

And then I did.

And now I really want one.

So, a wagon is cooler.

I get it.

It's wagon.

Wagon stuff is cool.

But I want the saloon.

I'm a saloon man.

I have been feeling Audi's recently.

Do you know what?

This needs to be studied.

The RS6, it presents itself and goes, I'm going to mash you up.

Like, I'm going to mash you up.

And you go, yeah, no, I know.

But I do like you.

You are cool though.

I do think you're quite cool.

MRC, actually.

Yes.

Really got it up me.

Because there were two Audi's at MRC that both built by Doug.

But they've been sat for a little while.

It's quite sad.

But they're just so cool.

One is an RS4 B5 event that's just so cool.

It's got RS4 B7 or B8 carbon ceramic brakes on the front.

It's got pole positions.

It's unbelievable.

But then just tucked over the back, there is an S4.

But it would have started as an S4.

It started as an S4 B5.

Which is the saloon.

Yeah.

But it's had like the wider arches put in that would have,

it would have had if it was like an RS4.

It's just sat so perfectly.

And it's got pole positions in the front.

And then he's like grafted in two pole position bucket seats

into the back seat.

So it's almost like the, like the M3 CRT.

So cool.

Or the M3 M5 CS.

And oh God.

And I just thought, all I have is images in my head

of those cars launching on YouTube.

Yeah, exactly.

Anti-lag and then locking, launching down the road.

With a Polish plate or something.

This has a thousand brake, doesn't it?

An eight second video.

Nothing really, like the dashboard doesn't work.

Probably.

And nothing else works.

But it is got 1800 horsepower or something.

I would like to own something like that.

Yeah.

So maybe, maybe some Audi's in the future.

And an Alpha for Ben.

Sure.

I think we will wrap it up there.

We need to go and film another podcast now.

So if we're dressed the same next week,

you'll have to ignore that.

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