Can These Concept Cars SAVE European Car Brands?! | Ep 74 | Drive Torque Podcast
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Can These Concept Cars SAVE European Car Brands?! | Ep 74 | Drive Torque Podcast
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Term
engine
An engine is what makes a car move. It's like the heart of the car, turning fuel into energy to power the wheels.
Car
Citroen Amis
The Citroen AMI is a small electric car that’s perfect for driving around the city. It’s easy to park and use, making it a good option for short trips.
Company
Michelin
Michelin is a famous company that makes tires for cars and other vehicles. They are known for making durable and high-performing tires.
Part
Cross Climate Plus tyres
Cross Climate Plus tyres are special tires made by Michelin that work well in different weather, like rain and snow. They help cars grip the road better no matter the conditions.
Term
Cup 2R
Cup 2R is a type of tire made by Michelin that is great for racing and driving fast on tracks. It helps cars grip the road better, especially when it's dry outside.
Term
Cross Climate tyres
Cross Climate tyres are special tires that work well in different weather, like rain and light snow. They are good for people who want to drive safely no matter the season.
Car
Alpina Z8
The Alpina Z8 is a fancy sports car that looks really cool and goes super fast. It’s a special version of another car and is loved by collectors.
Car
BMW Z8
The BMW Z8 is a stylish sports car made by BMW. It has a powerful engine and a design that looks both classic and modern, which makes it very popular among car enthusiasts.
Car
Audi Quattros
The Audi Quattro is a famous car known for its all-wheel-drive system and success in racing. It helped Audi become well-known for making high-performance vehicles.
Car
Audi Rs2S
The Audi RS2 is a powerful version of a station wagon that was made in the 1990s. It was one of the first cars to show that Audi could make very fast and sporty vehicles.
Term
tune-up
A tune-up is when you check and fix parts of a car's engine to make sure it runs well. It can help the car go faster and use less fuel.
Concept
WEC
WEC is a racing series where cars compete in long races, testing their durability and speed. It's known for events like the 24-hour race at Le Mans, where teams race for a full day.
Concept
Formula E
Formula E is a racing series where all the cars are powered by electricity. They race in cities, and it's a way to show how fast and advanced electric cars can be.
Part
battery pack
A battery pack is like a big container of batteries that stores energy to power electric cars. The bigger the pack, the further the car can go on a single charge.
Part
battery management systems
Battery management systems are like the brain for a car's battery. They keep track of how much energy is left and help make sure the battery works safely and well.
Part
traction control systems
Traction control systems help cars keep their grip on the road. If a wheel starts to spin too fast, the system can slow it down to help the car stay stable and safe.
Concept
LMP1
LMP1 is a racing category for very fast and advanced cars that compete in endurance races, like the famous 24-hour race at Le Mans. It used to include big brands like Audi and Porsche, which made it very exciting.
Brand
Toyota
Toyota is a well-known car company from Japan that makes a wide range of vehicles, known for their reliability. They also participate in racing, including endurance events.
Concept
hypercar class
The hypercar class includes the fastest and most advanced cars you can buy. These cars are known for their incredible speed and cutting-edge technology, often costing a lot of money and made in small numbers.
Brand
Volkswagen
Volkswagen is a well-known car company from Germany that makes many popular cars. They are famous for models like the Beetle and the Golf.
Concept
concept car
A concept car is a special type of car that shows new ideas and designs, usually not made for sale.
Car
Audi Tt
The Audi TT is a small sports car made by Audi. It has a unique look and is fun to drive, available as both a hardtop and a convertible.
Brand
Jaguar
Jaguar is a luxury car brand from the UK, famous for making stylish and fast cars. They have a reputation for quality and performance.
Car
BMW X5
The BMW X5 is a type of luxury SUV that offers a comfortable ride and lots of features. It's a popular vehicle for families and those who want a stylish car with good performance.
Car
BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a fast and sporty car that’s built for people who love driving. It’s known for being powerful and fun to handle, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
Term
plug-in hybrid
A plug-in hybrid is a car that can run on both gasoline and electricity. You can charge it at home or at charging stations, and it can drive a certain distance using just electricity before switching to gas.
Car
Porsche Man
The Porsche Macan is a small SUV that drives like a sports car. It’s a nice mix of being practical for everyday use while still being really fun to drive.
Car
BMW M2
The BMW M2 is a sporty car that offers a fun driving experience. It's part of BMW's M lineup, which means it's built for performance.
Car
BMW 118D
The BMW 1 Series is a small, luxury car that’s fun to drive. It’s a good choice for people who want a nice car that’s easy to handle in the city.
Car
BMW M5
The BMW M5 is a luxury car that also goes really fast. It has a lot of nice features and is designed to be both comfortable and exciting to drive.
Car
BMW Z4
The BMW Z4 is a stylish car that you can drive with the top down. It’s designed to be fun and sporty, making it great for sunny days.
Car
Mini Classic Mini
The Classic Mini is a tiny car that was very popular a long time ago. It’s known for being cute and fun to drive, and many people still love it today.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that looks unique and is really fun to drive. It’s known for being fast and handling well on the road.
LIVE
Shall we say easy now?
Easy now.
Hey guys, welcome back to the Drive Talk podcast.
How you see I beat you to it.
I just thought I'd get in there before you two started ripping me again.
I tell you what you're talking about.
We never do that.
Oh really, really.
That's what you do with your friends.
I think that's where we,
Lou sometimes says,
oh, you're a bit mean to Pete,
or, but it's like,
but that's what you do with friends, isn't it?
I know, I know.
And we still do it in our older age.
Friendship group bullying, that's what it is.
Joe, you're never mean to me though,
so what does that mean?
Oh, I am sometimes,
but not, yeah, not to your face.
You don't provide the ammunition that I do.
Wait, you know, there's way more.
Oh, don't worry.
I've got my own Porsche ways.
My car got recovered back since the last time
we spoke about the gearbox being fixed.
Oh, it's not broken again.
This is the Porsche, not the AMI.
No, it's not,
it's not broken as in like,
needs to be fixed.
It's more than it needs to be tuned up
so it runs correctly.
I drove it about 45 minutes out of London,
out of town on a lovely sunny day a few weeks back
between the last time we did a podcast,
and it just,
it just started running a bit rough,
it pulled over,
it didn't sound healthy,
and I thought, you know what,
the last time I pushed through a bit of bad noise,
I blew up the engine,
so this time I'm going to get recovered back,
and I'm not going to blow up the engine,
and instead I'm going to get it back,
and I drove into the car park,
and it's been there ever since,
but it just, I think it needs some,
a tune up is what they call it in the classic car world,
it needs a tune up,
because the car,
so when it started doing that,
what were the thought processes in you,
because I can imagine you probably
started to feel quite sick,
when you thought, oh no, it's going to break again.
I did consider it,
because I was actually on a dual carriageway,
I thought maybe if I went into the central reservation,
I could get a pay up from the insurance,
and it would all be over,
but instead I got off the mate's way,
and I parked up
safely out of the way,
and it lives to fight another day.
That's extreme moves.
You've got a new engine, essentially,
and a new gearbox,
and you're telling me that the car needs a tune up.
Yeah, well,
every year you get a service,
and this car,
after a certain amount of miles,
and this car's done, you know.
How many miles has the engine done since it was rebuilt?
Like 300 miles.
And do you think they tuned the engine,
do you think they set the engine up
and tuned it when they built it, maybe?
Yeah, it has had
long periods of
lack of use, though, hasn't it?
That's the biggest problem with the classic,
because you can't just jump the battery and start,
and it runs. Unfortunately, with the whole gearbox thing,
that kind of took the car out of service
for six or seven months,
but one day I'll have a positive story about it.
It's unfortunately not today, and not this podcast.
There's probably like a squirrel
living in one of the cylinders or something
that's moved in, because it hadn't been used
for such a long time.
But at least it makes a change,
just not bitching about your AMI.
No, it's the AMI Live.
The AMI's been brilliant. Yeah, the AMI's been great.
I have no complaints about the AMI.
Everything got sorted, as we already know.
And yeah, use it all the time,
through London, outside of the other side.
No congestion charge, it's perfect.
And tell us about, it's got a new rubber.
It does, yes.
So Michelin very kindly sent me
a set of Michelin Cross Climate Plus tyres,
which is the only tyre
in the Michelin range that fits
the AMI's very specific
and small tyre size.
And yeah, they made a world of difference.
They're lovely. For me at least it means...
Did you say Cup 2Rs, sorry?
No, Cross Climate.
Oh, I thought you said Cup 2R.
Yeah.
The equivalent, just on the other end of the spectrum.
So rather than being track focused
in the car that can't go on track,
these are winter focus for a car
that will never see anything other than a bit of rain.
But yeah, they're definitely better than
whatever came on it, that's the main thing.
So they make Cross Climate tyres
for wheel barrows then, do they?
Yeah, do you know what?
I angled for a long time to get a set of
Twil, which you two will know lots about
for the internet, maybe not as much.
For anybody, you should google what a Twil is.
Turns out they don't make it
in the fit and the size for an AMI.
But I was angling for a while, I was like,
I want a set of Twils on the AMI.
That would be cool then.
Hey, before we get
stuck into the agenda,
not that we ever have an agenda,
the last time we were together
was at Joe and Lou's wedding.
And I just wanted to say
what a joyous day
that was.
And it was just
amazing to see Joe cry so much.
And it was
probably because he had this amazing
Z8 outside, I wasn't allowed to drive it a lot.
You had to be inside getting married
and being with friends and stuff
instead of driving the car.
But it was amazing, mate.
How was the honeymoon?
Firstly, thank you very much
and
to both of you and your respected
amazing partners for coming along
because it was such a special day.
I know weddings should be special days.
You never know how they're going to turn out.
You never know
until you're panicking until the last moment.
Lou put so much work
into organising everything.
And then the day arrives
and it went
better than both of us could have expected.
And a lot of that has to do
with the wonderful people that turned up
on the day, friends and family.
And
quick shout out as you mentioned the Z8.
Huge thanks to BMW UK
if you're listening
because that was just a very special
special start to the wedding
for me and my brother.
The honeymoon was great.
We went to the south of Portugal
just near Lagos
for a week.
It was exactly what we needed.
It was a week of
basically doing nothing but sunbathing,
walking and eating
and a bit of drinking.
It was brilliant.
We both came back super relaxed
and even though that was
what two weeks ago or something
it feels like about six months ago.
So
it was great.
Thank you guys.
I feel very privileged
and grateful.
We also need to give a big shout out
to Lou's cart as well because
I didn't know one of these existed.
It was first explained to me as an Audi
but Joey maybe you can give a bit more detail
on exactly what that was
if you probably know more than me.
Yeah, I've actually forgotten.
Oh, Wanderer, that's what it's called.
So
before Audi,
I'm sure a lot of people would know this
before Audi it was
Auto Union, right?
It was the mother
or sort of the older company
that preceded it.
She turned up
in the 1930s
or was it 20s?
No, I think so.
34?
34, that's right.
It was called a Wanderer
and I didn't
know that there was such a car
but it was absolutely
stunning, black and red
and just
beautiful. It was running
perfect. It's one of
Audi's heritage cars
that they have in their heritage fleets.
We all know they've got Audi Quattros
and
RS2s and stuff that
we're all very familiar with
but that is like, you know, it's going back
in time. It's
approaching 100 years old
but what a car.
Definitely, well I don't know if it trumped
the Z8 but it was definitely
very beautiful
and very elegant and I got
to ride in the back of it for about 200 meters
which was cool.
Because it wasn't road legal, is it?
No.
You could only drive it on private land.
Yeah, exactly.
It was peak, it was like
BMW boy marries
Audi girl.
It just like, couldn't have been better.
Couldn't have been better.
The car part was brilliant because then
ironically
you had the beautiful
Turbo 50th
anniversary
Porsche which I've now actually got
parked outside the house.
Parked outside the house.
I thought it was a bit slow though.
Yeah, well, yeah, I had that
here actually talk about the
Turbo 50 and just how slow it is.
Maybe, hang on, I just need a tune-up.
I've heard they might need a tune-up.
Yeah, maybe actually.
Just a bit of a tune-up.
Yeah, definitely.
And it was cool because there were some
really lovely people I haven't seen for ages
Jonathan Benson rocked up late
obviously.
The Baron
the Baron was just
quality. Chris just is
he has such a funny sense of humour.
And he was just perfect.
He played on that a lot.
He lapped that up, didn't he?
Every time I looked over at your table
because for those of you that listening
or watching it was obviously
Patrick Paird,
Tia and Alia, the partners
and then Chris Sparron from Grumbles
on it and Jonathan Benson.
Was Tony Lewis on it as well?
Yeah, Tony Lewis and his wife and Rellini.
And Rellini.
It was just like the best table ever.
Yeah.
Big shout out to Rellini if you're listening mate.
He came
all the way from Dubai for the wedding.
Benson came over
from Italy because he was there tyre testing
which is also amazing.
And of course my brother, while I'm doing
shout outs, my brother and his lovely
partner.
Rani came all the way from Australia
so you can't really top that I guess.
It was really weird meeting your brother
because I've never met him before
but I felt like I knew him really well
because of all the times I've seen him
on your channel.
I literally went and said
I don't think we've ever met
but you went, no we haven't.
I feel like we have.
He probably feels the same about you
because I know he watches your content.
Nice.
It was a good day.
So where are we going to start?
Pat are you going to steer us
through our discussion topics?
Yeah go on. I'll do a lovely segue
into Porsches needing tune ups
into Porsches leaving Le Mans
and the work series.
They've jumped out
of that race series
to save money apparently.
Say it right.
It's a question.
Okay.
So they've
not long kind of announced
that they're peddling back on their electrification plans
and they're going to carry on
making internal combustion engines a bit longer.
Yeah at the same time
like a week later they announced
that they're pulling out of WEC
but staying in Formula E.
Yeah.
It's probably just like
what contract was more
solid right? Like which contract
do you think are better or easier?
I can imagine sir.
Yeah, staying in America.
I can imagine Formula E
is a lot cheaper than
WEC.
I can imagine. I don't know.
So I'm going to be
EV. The only thing I can think
about with the Formula E thing
is I know having spoken to lots of manufacturers
that are in Formula E
a lot of the kind of
the EV road car programs
of all the motorsports
that is the one that you can literally
take the technology that's running
in the race car and translate
it into your road car program. Because in all the
Formula E cars, although they're the same chassis
basically the motor
the battery pack
the battery management systems
all of its proprietary traction control systems
everything.
So they'll use it as a test bed.
So I guess they're still
going to have to do EV
they might not want to do it as much
but they still have to do it. So maybe that's why
I don't know.
I wouldn't discredit
the financial implications
on the other side too that potentially
the Formula E team is better funded
by sponsors and so Porsche
if you look at a balance sheet you have to put
less of their own money in. Whereas maybe
WEC and I don't know so I'm speaking out
term but maybe with WEC
they have to put more of their own money in.
Maybe WEC is better
to a cheaper but less of
it's payable by partners.
It's so sad though because hypercar class
it's just over the last couple of years
all of these new cars coming in
it's just
such a great category
of motor racing.
And Porsche have come so close to winning
they've been so close to winning
and we know
they would have won next year
they would have definitely won
but it's really sad it's heart breaking
I mean I was gutted when everyone
pulled out what close to 10 years ago
when Audi and Porsche
pulled out of the LMP1
category as it was then.
But you look back on those times and you're like
well it's Toyota
versus Porsche versus Audi
who are the same parent group so
and those LMP1s
that you know I don't know what the numbers
were but I just know that they were
on a completely different stratosphere in terms
of budgets.
But the hypercar class
I mean
we've all been to Le Mans recently
you've been many years recently
and it's just such a
massive thing
such an incredible
showcase isn't it.
So it is sad, it is really sad to read that
because
that does not
to me that's a bit of an open
book as to yet we are
in a bit of financial
trouble. We know they are
but that is like
desperate times
so fingers crossed that
I don't know it doesn't get too much
worse. I think the worry is
I don't think there's a manufacturer out there
that isn't having
daily meetings with their account team and going
how are we going to manage because
I think it's just really challenging
situation whether that's
tariffs or ZV mandate
or the cost of materials
or
just general economy
meaning people aren't making
and I guess for Porsche
purchases are
they're not your everyday car
are they there that
what's the word I'm looking for
discretionary purchase
you don't even have to do it
No, not everyone's got a crayon crew
No
Hi
Hey come on
I'm just like
it's been 3 minutes
and you haven't taken a mix of those
Talking of discretionary
now this is one hell
of a jump here but talking of discretionary
here we go Segway man
are we going to talk
about the looks like the
finalization of the compensation scheme
for the motor finance scandal
they do seem to have seemingly
locked in
the arrangements there
around a really interesting
I've got a few people
send me a thing that
the financial conduct authority
were reaching out to influencers
to do ad campaigns
for the fact that you don't need
to go to some ambulance chasing lawyer
you just need to kind of
apply to them and they'll do it for you
so yeah I'm going to guess
it's going to cost the industry
billions and there's another thing
that's going to mess them up a bit
but yeah
it's £8.2 billion
£8.2 billion
with each claimant expected to get around
£700
so there's 14.2 million
agreements
44 of which have been made
since 2007 and yeah
it will be anybody that's had a discretionary
commission arrangement where the
high commission is
where the commission is equal to or greater than 35%
of the total cost of credit
and 10% of the loan
so yeah
they estimate that 85% of eligible
customers would take part in the scheme
which mean the estimated redress
so the amount owed back to the
customers is £8.2 billion
and is that
is that going to hit finance companies
or manufacturers
probably finance companies more
I don't know how close
so anyway
that was my question
or yeah
the finance companies that are part of
you know let's say
what's the VW one
VW finance
yeah
but no
how closely aligned is that with
Volkswagen cars
are they financially linked together
I don't know
but that's yet another thing
that's going to mess them up
yeah
yeah
I mean they probably need to claw back lots of money
for all of the payments that they made
to influencers
to advertise it before
do you think any of us
will stand
I'm trying to think I've only had one
well apart from the AMI which doesn't count
I've only had one PCP finance car
on an
agreement that I don't remember
if it has discretionary
payment
I mean Joe's the one
he's going to have loads
he's had finance cars since the beginning of time
I've had
several in that area
and I've had lots of text messages come through
actually in the last week
saying that I'm owed this much
call this number so I'm like
do I call the number
so it's between 2007 and 2024
Joe how many finance cars have you had
since 2007
all of them
yeah well I think
back to all my chauffeuring cars and stuff
I mean I could be owed
I could be owed loads
hey beers are on Joe again
it was great it was wedding because the bar
was free
first time for everything
I could personally
put BMW under if I just went for
my finance car
tell you what you might be able to claim
enough money back to buy a Citroen AMI
I definitely could
I've been sent
two texts in the last week
one that says I'm owed nearly
£3,000 and one that says I'm owed
£2,300
I'd go on the Wix site or
martinluismoneyexpert.com
and do it yourself
they'll just take a
chunk of your payout
yeah no absolutely
I'll check that out because
oh yeah that's
screwed it I guess
but yeah I guess it is
more miserable news
for manufacturers and finance
companies
I guess
for the normal
bloke on the street, woman on the street
listening to this it's good news because they might get some
oh yeah might be good news for me
there won't be a car
industry in two years time for them to buy
they'll have their money so that's fine
exactly
yeah
very good though
two good segways Pat
thanks talking of
oh god here we go
we're going for a third we'll go for a 3P here
Mercedes
released a new concept car
looks oddly familiar
is that the Type 00
Mercedes
that's the one yeah so the
design team came across from Jaguar
we could do that again
like the Type 00
Audi as well
yeah well the Audi
the Audi is somewhat pretty
I could actually I think the Audi
is it Type C the Audi or whatever it's called
god knows
yeah that's the one that looks
like an Audi TT
but from Tron or something
that Mercedes what's going on with that
grille
yeah it's not good
I think the technical term for it is it's
gopping
I don't know why it's almost like
they're trying to do like a Dick Tracy
Bugsy Malone style
1930s
thing going on
it's also got a boat steering wheel in it
like why's it got a boat steering wheel
I don't know remember when Saab did that car
with the joystick
yes yeah yeah
like a fighter pilot joystick
yeah because Saab asked the question
why have cars got a steering wheel
why aren't they steered with a tiller
or a joystick or something
it's like because they've always been like that way
I guess now it's regulations
Saab did do one with the joystick
yeah they did
goodness well you think of how bad most drivers
are out there imagine they all had
joysticks it would be horrendous
tractors
the big tractors that only have
a steering wheel they do all the throttle controls on
like a joystick thing that's quite cool
that's true
yeah
I think the Audi one
looks really cool
all the concepts from the big manufacturers
if that's going to be our next topic
of which manufacturer seems to be making the best
concept
the one they should have done remember a few years ago
you'll know this Joe that they did like a
concept Quattro it must be
10 or 15 years ago absolutely
mega looking thing
never did anything with it but
they need to do something a bit like that
I mean that Audi still looks too much like that Jaguar for me
yes
yeah
yeah the Audi
the thing
with the Audi is it looks like an Audi
in fact it's starved more
like an Audi than some of the new Audi models
which are anything like that
you're so right you are
like it looks like what an Audi
should look like rather than what they look like now
yeah
sorry I've just strived
for clarity
who for that
that's like copy nothing
we can't use that because they have
obviously
I tell you what though from the
front it looks like
what was the
the sci-fi film that all the Audi's were in
the Will Smith one the iRobot
it looks like something out of iRobot
yeah
she's in the back I suppose
I think the Noia classer one though
if we're going to move on to the next brand that's got a concept
which is actually coming into production right
the Noia classer BMW's
I mean we saw there's a good word and I'm sure we mentioned it
at the time but
I actually think they're pretty cool
yeah
they are I think they're
I like I saw one
actually I was out in Munich
last week and I saw a
concept one I think the new
X5
but it was heavily camouflaged
but the front end of it
it's almost like it sorted
all of BMW's recent horrible
designs it suddenly
it all makes
sense because I could see like
let's have a look at your
the Saloon Noia classer looks
wicked isn't it
imagine that
M3 with like big wide archers on it
yeah yeah yeah
I think the two cool things that they brought back because it has
seemed to have gone and I think all of the brands
you know we joke about the Mercedes looking like
a kind of a mafia car or a gangster car
from like the 20s but everybody has seemingly
gone back a bit in time right
even the Audi looks like old Audi
rather than current Audi
but the Noia classer has
like really nice
I like fabric seats in a car rather than
leather that goes maybe glossy over time
it's got really nice fabric seats
it's got a low window line
which I never thought I'd ever see ever again
because of safety regulations
but it
it looks like all the kind of quirks and features
that still the Doug DeMiro
phrase that you used to like in your classics
right yeah
no buttons though
well yeah there is has to be something
yeah now that
they are really really very nice
I have to say
it's like you mentioned X5
I've got to just say very briefly I had that
X5 plug-in hybrid the other week
yeah oh my god
and you said to me it's like
all the car you'd ever need is brilliant
and I don't know whether that was the
variant of X5 you were talking about
but unbelievable
yeah that
well that I think actually
Raz said that the X550 was the best car
ever driven or package
I think it's one of the best but mine is
the 30d version of that is my favourite
but still just as a
and it's sad because
it's basically about
it's like right at the end of its
production
and it's just everything
it's like the ultimate plug-in
hybrid because it's got
the flat six engine
instead of some poxy little four-pot
that most plug-in hybrids have
straight six
you're the Porsche man
no you said flat six
yeah you're too Porsche
you're too much of a Porsche man
but yeah it'll do
60 miles all EV
and it's rapid
I've had a I did a
your reels
it's done half a million views that real
oh no
just like very impressive
yeah
Joe are they keeping any
diesels BMW
well
you said they're phasing out the 30d
and Shahzad to
Holly as well
who
she's just replaced her M2 with
an M340d
right on the
advice of all of us
because it's a great daily and everything
and it's a more adult car now out of the M2
but are any of those cars
yeah it's a good spec
she sent me loads of photos
but we'll put her photo up
Frozen tanzanite blue
with every option
you can imagine
it is such a nice car
yeah big shout out Holly
that is a crock
but they don't make those anymore
and you're saying they're not going to make the 30d anymore
so what is there any diesels left
like a 118d or
what's left
yeah so the two leads at the smaller ones
like the 108 and the 2d
20d's there
that's still in production
the bigger pet diesels
are available but not in right hand drive markets
so like when I was in Munich last week
I saw a new 5 series
540d
which would be an amazing car
yeah what vehicle that would be
we can't get them over here
so
I think
it's a sad time
for the big beautiful straight 6 diesels
but
like what pens just driven
you can still get that straight 6 petrol
which is very torquey
and when you pair that up to the hybrid
running gear
which is basically the same hybrid that I have in my M5
it all comes together
very well and
yeah it feels
mighty
so it got delivered on a truck
like all BMW's do and when they backed it off the truck
I'm like
at the first glance I thought
sure that's an X5 because it just didn't look that big
yeah
X5's used to be
giganormous compared to everything else
but because everything on the road
got so big
an X5 now doesn't actually look that big
I mean it is big it's like 5 meters long
and
it didn't look that big
I thought they'd give me like an X3 or something
yeah yeah very sure
because the new X3 looks
arguably bigger than it because it's
much square and boxier
and uglier
but I didn't
know what to expect but it was a good car
not as good as that hand shelter though
that was lovely
oh yeah that's a special car
oh here's a question for you
because I've had it lots on my comments of that video
yeah
lots of people said
that they thought the hand shelter package was only available
in the green over tan
but the one I had was red
so I'm presuming
you can get it in other colours now
well I thought it was also only
available in green over tan
and actually
when I was speaking to a lovely Martin from
the UK at an event a couple of months ago
he said oh
I've got a new hand shelter on the
on the fleet and I was like oh cool
and then he said it was red
is it Melbourne red? I can't remember what red it was
San Francisco metallic
yeah
so that was the first I knew of it
being available in different colours so
whether they've done that recently
or whether that's always been the case
but yeah I thought it was only green over tan
but
what a lovely
a lovely package and I think
you as a boxer man
well I mean who isn't a boxer man
if you're being honest and you've driven one
they're incredible sports cars
and you're a hairdresser
yeah yeah of course and it's not a real Porsche
and all the rest of it
but I think
although
although they feel
the same place in the market
they don't stand on each other's toes
at all because they're both such
different
it's hard to explain they are the same
package but they're so different packages
yeah
here's a question then for
you and everyone that's listening
why didn't
BMW sell more of them because it's
a brilliant car to drive
they look lovely
they've got that one
I mean it's like the peak BMW interior
because it's still got buttons and it's not got
overwhelming screens everywhere
and
I mean
in a world where
you can buy a £100,000 Volvo
a £65 grand or whatever it was
I thought it was really well priced
I just don't
I couldn't understand it really
how much is a
boxer if that's
a 65 what's a boxer
the boxer gts
when they went out what were they 85 or something
yeah the four litre one was yeah
because you'd have to compare it with the
gts because
because this is a top spec car also
so it's not
I mean you can go for a lower version
z4 for sure
but the top spec one
with 300 and whatever it was
35 brake it was just
brilliant car
and I really enjoyed my time in it
and it wasn't like
they didn't just sell in the UK
you just don't see them really
anywhere
I'd love to know how many BMW sold
what they're like annual sales
because I can't imagine it's a big number
I think
Pat's going for it
I think we've just
discussed and answered that question
though why they haven't sold that many
and it really must come down to the
boxer at the end of the day
I think
if you're a hard boxer
yeah if you say top end it'd be
boxer bottom end it'd be something like
LMX5
yeah all the TT
whatever they called
what's the convertible TT
you have one
but great car
if you're thinking about one
at least test drive it
and I think it makes
a big fast little mini
GT convertible whatever you want to call it
yeah it was a
mega car
nice
this is not a segue though
no you've got to have a good segue
no
talking of hand shelter
talking of hand shelter
talking of hand shelter
how about some hands free
devices in your car
that was actually quite good
that was actually really good
I just want to
because Ped and I
now both use quad lock
and although we talk about it
on our own individual channels
or you've got the Landonaurus one
yeah yeah look at that that's cool
I just want to say a big shout out
to these guys because they send Ped and I stuff
I've used them for years
they're an Australian brand
I actually went to see them when I was in Melbourne
a couple of years ago
and they make
in my opinion
they make
the best phone cases
and mounts
and this is not a paid thing
but they've just brought out this new one
that I know Ped uses as well
the windscreen suction mount
and it is absolutely brilliant
I've used it in so many cars
it's so good
they make action cam mounts
they make everything
so yeah big shout out to Quadlock
if you're looking for a good phone case
and mount system
motorbikes, bicycles or cars
check out Quadlock
and now
my other segway
what have you got one on your segway
oh your phone
oh mate
who's going to tee this one up
Joe I think you should
give a premise into this
as to your thought process
beforehand me and Pete can give our opinion
on how we thought it would go
and then you can give the reality
okay so back in 2007
I think it was about then
I actually owned
the first iPhone
and I ran it for years
and I really liked it
I remember I was living in India
and I had a new iPhone
out there
not many people had them
at the time especially in India
it was a great bit of kit
and then I think
2008 or 2009 I went on to Android
and since then I've been an Android guy
through and through
and I've been running Google pixels
for the past
probably 7 years
or something, 7 or 8 years now
and I love the pixel
and
then I started getting help from Google
which was great
but then they decided that I
didn't tick enough boxes for them
and I wasn't
their target customer anymore
so
you were too old
probably because I was too old
so I decided at that time
not because I was jaded about that
but I thought you know what
and right at that time
Apple had launched the iPhone 17
or they were about to
and I'd watched the brilliant Marcus
Brownlee's reviews
I'm obsessed with his tech reviews
I've watched all of them
even stuff and tech that he's reviewing that I don't care about
he's brilliant though isn't he
he's so amazing
so I watched
and he basically said that new pixel 10
was nothing groundbreaking
and the iPhone 17 was really good
and whatever I thought you know what
at the end of the day
it's a company expense for all of us
because we live with our phones
our phones do everything
they are sort of a lifeline
if you like
and also the price that's the other thing
without sounding like a tight ass
the iPhone 17
and the pixel 10 were basically the same price
which in the past has never been the case
the androids are usually
30% cheaper
so I thought good time
to go back and try Apple
because I've run a MacBook Pro
for many many years
I've got a studio display which I think we all have
I don't know
and so I thought
Pat and Ped are proper Apple people
they're constantly on me
about getting a phone to pair up with everything else
so I went out
and I got an iPhone 17 Pro
500 gigs
it was about 1400 pounds
and I thought
I'll give it a go
and they're awesome aren't they
aren't they awesome Pat
you can do like airdropping shit
it's wicked
airdropping and that's about it
video quality
everything they just
I find the iPhone
actually interestingly before you go on Joe
I was the person that introduced you to pixel in the first place
if I remember
I had a pixel phone
I was a Samsung guy
and the pixels had the time
definitely even against iPhone
and that's where I went to them as well
because I had an iPhone 6
or something before
and the pixel phone came out
the pixel 2 it was
and the camera was way better
it had way better photos
and so I kind of always got led around by the cameras
but no iPhone I've got a 16 Pro now
you've probably got a 16 Pro as well right
no I'm on 15
no they've got a 17 Pro now
I'm on 15 Pro Max
and you've got 17
so you really like it then Joe
well listen
I'm going to
joke aside
the camera quality stills or video
was amazing
and I think what Google
and I think Android in general
but especially the Google Pixel
the actual lens quality in the camera
has always been good like Pat said
but what Google have done
do well is the
is the software
and the way it processes the photo
is magic basically
but they've sat on their laurels for a few years
and it hasn't really got any better
getting the iPhone
there's no getting away from the fact
that the photos
and the camera
the video footage unbelievable
like incredible
hands up like take my hat off
but it was
and listen
it's probably more about me
than it is about the phone
no
really
I really really tried
in fact I started using it
two or three days before my wedding
so all my wedding pics thankfully
were on the iPhone because they were really good
I took it away on my honeymoon
and it was on the honeymoon where I just
literally said to Lou and it was like
yeah please just do something
to make you happy
I got a text message from Lou going
please help me
I just couldn't
get on with it
really
yeah I know
I'm so set in my ways
we all take a piss out of Ped being the old man
but I am so
I don't know I get very set in my ways
you might be the most advanced technophobe
I've ever encountered
because for all intents and purposes
you should hate all technology
yet your entire job and world is revolved around
using lots of technology
I know this is very specific
to what we do for a living
but the bit I honestly don't understand
how Joe you can do this
is if I take
videos on my phone
and every now and again when I haven't got a camera
with me I'll do it for B-roll
or bits to camera for my
YouTube videos or photographs
of things like thumbnails
and I just air drop them to my Mac
and then I edit them on my Mac
and I do not understand
how anybody can do our job
without being able to do that
because you have to send it to the cloud and back
yeah I know
which is a pain in the arse
it can be a pain in the arse
when we're out on a thing
I say Joe could you just
air drop that to me
I'll put it in a Google Drive
or I'll send it via the cloud
I know
I know
I know that bit of it's painful
but I tell you what
and I have to say again hats off to Apple
because
I wasn't happy with it and I thought
I wonder what the returns policy is
because I've now had it for 10 days
wherever went online
and it's a two week no quibble
returns policy
regardless of whether you use it or not
and then so you register that you're going to return it
they send you out a returns box
and then you've got two weeks
so you actually end up
basically almost a month
with the phone I'm guessing with any of their products
sent it back
I think
they should have done this bit
they didn't ask anything about why I returned it
they just probably knew
they went oh Joe
yeah we thought we'd get that one back
exactly
but anyway that's gone
I went out bought myself a pixel
and I couldn't be happier
the 10 is absolutely
no better than the 9
and the 9 is absolutely
no better than the 8
but I've got a phone
that I'm familiar and happy with now
and oh talk of tech
that I do like and this is a ped
recommendation
my wedding ring
is a Auro ring is that how you pronounce it
Auro ring
I'm not a big jewelry guy
I wasn't
how's your sleep
analysis
do you actually sleep
it's actually really good
and I remember discussing this with you
was saying I actually wanted to know
because I've been a terrible sleeper
for most of my adult life
and I definitely do suffer from insomnia
of a certain degree in the morning
I'm just terrible
but I knew that
or I was hoping that if I had something
that actually said you're sleeping
at this time and this time
it would then encourage me
it would give me the self confidence
because most of insomnia stuff is in your head
so now I wake up in the morning
and I'm aware
I was awake then or here or whatever
but I can see it and my sleep
is actually pretty good
it's much better than I thought
you can see I get a big chunk
and then a smaller chunk
and then it's like
like that
so I've just got to work on the morning stuff
but it's nice to see that I'll get like nearly
two hours of deep sleep
that's really good
so it's between 80 and 85
most days
but it's brilliant
and the most impressive thing about this
is the battery life
it's ridiculous
I get like full
it varies
it'll drop a bit
but I reckon sort of two or three days
after you've had it like because I think I've had this
this is all a four same as yours
I've had this for nine months
maybe so it'll do three or four days now
but yeah it is really good
no great great bit of gear
and I love it
and so if you're getting married
I'm just gonna say
wear it on that finger and just see how much
hate you get in the comments
for wearing too many rings
and like it's not on ring it's a fitness
tracker you fell in
yeah but that's nice
see I can adapt to some technology
that's impressive skills
impressive skills
talking about comments
on YouTube right so I
have to just have a chat about
a virus I had recently
a viral video
I've forgotten how
great it is to have a viral video
because I haven't had one
for so long
and it was one that I did not see coming
at all because it was a studio
shoot of a static car
the new
Datcher Hipster
and it's done nearly
half a million views
nice impressive
and it did it so quickly it was the first
three or four days where it was absolutely flying
was it 125,000
views in 24 hours which I know
if you're Matt Armstrong isn't very impressive
but I haven't had one
you know when you go and you create a studio
and when you've got a video like that flying
and you just can't believe the numbers
the day it went live at half
eight in the morning and I think it was playing Paddle
at like 12 o'clock and I checked
my studio just before it went on court
Paddle and it had done 20,000 views
I played Paddle for an hour and a half
and when it got off court it had done 50,000 views
I was like oh it's
going
yeah yeah
it was great
yeah oh mate good for you
I was really happy because I know that feeling
and it's YouTube is
it's tricky at the moment I'm really struggling
with it it's very uh
and even when you get 50,000 or 100,000 views
the actual ad
return or
just horrendous
and so even if you're
getting decent views you're not making anyone
near as much money so to see something like that
was like yes fantastic
but you say you weren't expecting that
I have to say as soon as I saw your thumbnail
uh I clicked straight on it
because I was just like what is that
car like what is it
well it it was one of those I was the only
UK channel to have
access to the car which which and
and when I look at all the other
videos online
I'm one of the few English language
so I think those two things
and then the final thing is it's just a really
cool cool car because
it's the the the bit I didn't
talk about in the video because it you know when
you kind of think it's just too complicated
a thing to get into
so it and the reason I said it
doesn't have any competition is because it doesn't
belong in a car segment
so there's a car
segment bigger than
an AMI quadrocycle
okay but
for that they have
a maximum weight of I think
650 kilos
okay
and the the hipster they're aiming at 800
kilos
they can get it to 800 kilos but they'll never
get it to 650 so it can't
be in that lower class
so then the next class up is
an A segment car
but if it's an A segment car
then it comes under all of the
ADAS systems
and passenger protection systems and all
of that stuff which adds weight
and cost so they're
actually trying to create
an entirely new class
of car in the EU is it Ursula
van der Ryan in the EU's is trying
to do it and so that they can just
make it as it is
brilliant yeah just really really clever
briefly though you mentioned
systems on cars and I in my head I was
like yeah the AMI it has no systems but
brand new and that brings me into
a small anecdote about cars like that
that the AMI the other day
my flatmate brought it back with
zero miles of range and he parked up
and said oh I need to charge it later
and I needed to go out so I was like
don't worry I'll go charge it so I get in it
it's flashing it's got like a battery
warning light I was like oh my god
this thing's going to be in limp home mode
it's got zero range right and the range
is only 46 miles to begin with
in theory
no restrictions there's no
electronic limp mode
snail mode nothing there's no
restrictions as to how
it manages
it's zero range
status whereas if you've ever driven
any electric car you get
you get to start like 5-10 miles it's going to start going into like a snail mode
there's a little turtle on the display
yeah I mean there may well
there was no idea what was going on
yeah but Pat I reckon there was probably a turtle
showing on that screen
but because of the page
which is a feature you wouldn't be able to see it
when it gets really low
when it gets really low
that faded screen
you know one side's bright and the other side's faded
the other the one side that's bright
that starts getting faded so when that
starts going down
when you see a consistent screen you know you're in trouble
oh my god but yeah that
thing's got zero systems at or whatsoever
not even once to help it manage
maybe a battery light to get you to a charger
I couldn't make it
I think that's really cool
and I could see that car like with the
AMI being really useful
in places like London and other
metropolitan cities
if you intend to place them with
parking reductions in price they don't do this at the moment
but they should
is it Paris or somewhere that wants to bring
a 4x4 tariff for parking
so if you've got a big car
it costs more money
I mean why not have final mile
or final 5 mile cars like that
that you can drive around in and park up easily
well one of their target markets
for it is yeah the city car
thing but it's the kind of
the commuter village
thing so where you live in a village that's like
15 miles from
the train station and you use
that to get to work on to the train station
because the really interesting
thing they were saying that the Datcha Spring
which is their only EV at the moment
is a fully connected car
and what they've done with that since it's been
live and we've only had it in the UK
for like a year but it's been out
for about four years in Europe
is they've basically
collected all of the journey
data off of that car
since it launched and then they've obviously
kind of taken
all the user names and stuff off it
so it's a generic data
but the average journey
distance for a Datcha Spring
is like 23 miles
wow
and so
they're like what doesn't need
I mean it'll do 200 kilometres it doesn't need
to do any more than that so 23 miles
a day is the average distance
a Datcha Spring currently does
yep
so let's hope
they get it past because
I didn't know about
those regulations but I mean it just
shows once again
the car industry is up against
the most ridiculous
rules and regulations
people try and build small
little efficient
clean city cars
but they can't build them because of
regulations
it's just
the whole thing
it was such a tiny car but honestly
we could have had four
of me or Joes in that car
absolutely no problem at all
it's massive inside
it reminded me and I don't know the size of it
but it reminded me of the
layout and the mentality of the classic Mini
yeah
the classic Mini I can sit in the back of it
and that car like you said it looked like
you sat in the back of it with the
thin seats and stuff like it was
really spacious and the ability to remove that
to have large cargo area was
they really thought about everything
and let's fingers crossed it gets made
it was cool I like
what they do in Datcha because they just have this
you speak to the design team
and they're just trying to do things differently
he's like look cars are too expensive
they've gone
the stat they gave which was so between
2010
and 2025
car prices have gone up by
71%
wow
and wages haven't
so how do we make a car that's
more affordable well you make
it smaller and lighter and you don't use
as much materials because it's lighter
it doesn't need as big a battery to move it
around and a battery is a third of the
cost of an electric car so you can have
a smaller battery
and it's just
I just like the way
and I think a few manufacturers are starting
to do that a bit more but yeah
it was interesting
but that also wasn't the only thing
you did with Datcha was it
no well oh mate
so yeah I went to the last
round of the Rally Raid Championships in Morocco
and
it was really
it was very cool because
Datcha were
Seblo
his
co-driver
so they do a championship
for the co-driver in Rally Raid
the driver and the team
so Edouard was going for co-driver
Nasser Alataya was going for the overall championship
and then they couldn't
Datcha couldn't win the
constructors championship because basically
Seblo had rolled his car too many times this year
pretty much
he crashed quite a lot
so Seblo won the rally
his
co-driver won the championship
and
Nasser Alataya
didn't win the rally but he came in
with enough points
to win the championship
but on the last stage
as they were coming off the stage
him and his co-driver were having an argument
in the car
and didn't see the slow
down signs and drove into the media
pen at 160 kilometers
an hour
oh no way
and got a one hour
time penalty
oh my god
that's really fast
and he lost the championship because of that
and they don't know
there's lots of rumours as to what they were arguing
about whether it was a
navigation error or something
and he said there was dust and they just didn't see it
but yeah it wasn't great at all
they just lost his concentration right at the end
literally the last stage
they finished the last stage of the rally
I think they were in third or fourth place
in the rally and they had enough
points to win
the championship and then they got
a one hour penalty
that could have been
horrendous
that's why they got a one hour penalty
not like a 10 second
drive through
it was amazing
yeah it reminds me of
I'm not a big F1
I watched some F1
but I know a couple of races ago at Monza
when Lewis went out for
an installation lap or something
and he came around
and I saw a clip of him
so the grid is basically
formed up with all the mechanics out there
and then you've got
the final sector
is always on like double wave yellows
and you've got to approach the pit lane
ready to stop
but I saw the clip of Lewis because he was in a rush
to get something changed
and he came in there
absolutely at flat-shot like racing
speed
and you see the speed of him going past all these static
people
and it sounds like a similar sort of thing
it was like oh my god
how did that
everyone makes mistakes
I was gutted
because obviously I have to say
we had unbelievable access for the team
and I'm gutted for Nasa
because he's such a lovely bloke
and I just don't know
the explanation for it really
but it just reminded me
of our trip to Dakar with Audi a couple of years ago
it's just
I guess
I think it's
W2RC
so the Rally Raid
and TT
the Ileman TT
are the two motorsports
where you can get closest to the action
because we were literally
there's no barriers are there
the cars go past 10 feet away from you
you get sprayed in dust and mud
and stones and stuff
it's just ace
brilliant
looked amazing
obviously the video I made
you know here's me going
the Dacia Hipster was a complete viral
my
it's done 1500 views I think
absolutely tanked
but you got the experience
it was one of those experience
I know but it doesn't help
it's just like
but anyway
I know we're fast approaching the hour
but I just wouldn't mind
I know we briefly talked about it earlier on
just to quickly cover the
Turbo S
I wanted to ask you about that
Turbo 50
for those of you who don't know
and I think I could be wrong Pete
you can correct me here
but firstly I've never driven
992 Turbo S
or Turbo for that matter
and I think the Turbo 50
years
I think that's what it's called
it's basically the end
to celebrate 50 years of Turbo
and it was the last run out
versions right but it's essentially
under the skin it's just a Turbo S
just a sticker pack
in an interior
so talking about it
as a Turbo S
I mean
I've seen it win every car world
drag race I've seen the figures on paper
I've seen people talking about it
blah blah blah
it's going to be fast
and then you drive it
and it's just
unbelievably
fast
it's literally
I was actually
Marino Franchetti
messaged me this morning
about it because I've done a post yesterday
and he said
that's a bit of a flex
you can't just drop that on us that's not okay
no
it's great
we talk about cars a lot on Instagram
but he said to me
what's it like
is it just fast
does it have soul
is it going to get you in trouble quickly
and I won't repeat
what I said to him
but it is an absolute
time machine
it's the fastest thing I've driven by a country
Mar and my M5
is a fast car
right but getting into that
turbo
it's a jail-baked car
and I think as an older guy
now
and especially what I went through in say 2018
with the R8 speeding stuff
I like to think of myself
as a sensible driver
on the road yes I've pushed cars
but within my limits
and I definitely never
take absolute
liberties with speed limits and stuff
but this car
you can't
it's
you've got to be so careful with it
in any gear
you breathe on it
I can't even explain it
really it is so fast
it's an absolute rocket ship
to put it into context for me
I have three
and I guess maybe we should explain as well
the way that Porsche do press cars
it's often
logistically easier
if you book a couple one after another
because you can just swap them over
and you get some content back
so I had GT3RS
I swapped that out for the 992.2
GTS
so the difference between those two cars
the GT3RS nearly broke me
it's just such a harsh
on it concentration car
but it's very very fast
you get in a
GTST hybrid
and that's faster than a GT3RS
on the road in a straight line
like by some stretch
that thing was just
unbelievable
but it's only two wheel drive
but it's still sub three seconds to 60
and it's unbelievably fast
and you think oh my god
and we traced it and I drove it for a long weekend
and she loved the car and drove it quite a bit
and I was like that's unbelievable
drop that back
and two days later pick up the Turbo S
to take to your wedding
and I'm driving back from Reading
and I was like oh my god
this makes the
GTST hybrid look slow
yep
but the scary thing
is that's the outgoing
Turbo S
the 992.2
Turbo S
the two Turbos
off of the
the GTST only got one Turbo
it's going to have two of them and like was it
700 and something horsepower
what's that going to be like
someone got in that Turbo S
and went yeah it's not fast enough
this will make it faster
yeah
I know
you talk about how fast
3RS is and Joe we obviously experienced that
around Spa and obviously on the straights
and stuff even the base 911
you were like there's a bit of parity
in kind of top speed here
but across a lap
let's use Silverstone
as an example track
across a lap like do you think the Turbo
and the 3RS are kind of giving almost
equal lap times
given how much faster that can
you know the second you're out onto a straight
it's got to be catching up the 3RS
right so
it's the difference even that much
it's just a different style of driving right
it's where the speed comes
it's crossed my mind exactly that
and I was like wow if I could somehow
make that video happen
or idea because
I remember when we went to Spa and I took
James and Michelin out and the 3RS
and you know he was like
this thing is so fast you know
but the first thing I thought about the 3RS
when you're out on track is actually
it's not very fast in the straight line at all
like to me it felt
yeah to me it didn't feel anywhere near
fast enough for how well it handled
especially it's far down the
only got 500 horsepower
it makes
a great sound which helps make it
feel fast but actually
because it's a lot of theatre yeah there's a lot of
theatre but because it's so
composed and so planted it actually
doesn't feel that fast
in a straight line at all
so but and the
Turbo RS is completely the other way
and I think I would
love to see I think
somewhere like Spa 3RS would still be
faster just because it would be
so much quicker through the really fast stuff
where the Turbo just couldn't do those speeds
because of lack of aero but I think
somewhere like
Bedford that's a bit that it's got
much slower corners and hairpins
where the aero would be much less beneficial
and it's got that long back
straight where the Turbo
S would put in so much time
into the 3RS it would be
really interesting because like again
it would be a video that would do about 12 views
if I shot it
it would cost Michelin
a load of money and it would get absolutely no
views but I think yeah it would be a really
interesting layover because
there would be two totally different cars but
if I had to choose one car
on a closed road section
point to point I would
have to say that the Turbo S
on a public road if it was
closed and it was legal
would be faster
you need to take one to the Isle of Man
oh my god
Jesus Christ
no Joe that would be bad
you would end up in Ireland if you
crashed in the Isle of Man
if you missed the corner
you would literally just jump and land
in Ireland somewhere
it would be going that fast
I've always loved the styling of a Turbo S
and when I was looking at
getting my Nilem I did think
oh Turbo S Cabriolet
that would be cool or a Turbo
the big problem is when you look at them used
they've always got a lot of miles on
and having spent a week in that one I understand
why now because it's the kind of 911
you just want to drive it all the time
because it's a lovely cruiser
it's super comfortable but then when you get to
a bit of B road it's like unbelievable
talking about unbelievable
while we're talking about 911s
can we just have a shout out
to Layton
Clark for our track pace
so I did a track day
with Michelin last week
at Donington Park
and as part of that
day I was in the Michelin
911 I did this really innovative
unique video Joe
you'd like the concept
Pilot Sport 4S vs Cup 2
it was brilliant
no one had ever done that before
as part of that
two cool things on the track day
one I got to drive
Darin from RPM Technics
991 GT3 RS
Mantai Racing
which was amazing
but Layton took me out in his 992
GT3 RS
I just
I can't even begin to describe
how late that guy breaks
Pete would you say
do you remember when we went to the Nurburgring
and we had the experience in the GT3
and it recalibrated what we thought was possible
in a car that could also have
number plates
do you think it maybe recalibrated you again
oh it was like that guy had the handbrake on
honestly
I can't
I just can't
he was on Cup 2 Rs
and we went down Crainer
I just can't even begin to tell you
how fast he went down Crainer curves
and then at the end we were chatting
and he went these Cup 2 Rs
they've done like four track days
they're knackered they're literally there's nothing left of them
he said if they were fresh
Redgate and Crainer curves
in his GT3 RS is flat
wow
wow
that's just like
oh the guy
I mean
I mean that's why RMA and I know
they're partners of Michelin
and we both experienced track days
with them we both know Layton
we all know Layton very well
and
honestly I think that's what makes those days so good
is Layton
he does such a great job but
the event itself is great
the other cars and the people there are awesome
but it's the fact that
really at the bottom of it
his old man as well that's where it all started
but you look at Layton
and he's such a competent driver
I mean he raced for years
he holds a lot of unofficial
lap records around the UK
I think at Donington Park and his 3 RS
and
I've not actually been
in the car with him because we ran out of time
filming that video they've got no views out as far
but
I've seen his laps on
on socials and obviously
I've also tried to follow
I was going to say if you're
not sure about who we're talking about go and find
our box and gas
episode from this year because we walk around
Layton's car and chat to Layton
and that's the car we're talking about going out in
but honestly
for me
my summary of the GT3 RS was
it's too much car for me
I couldn't exploit that car
and really get my money's worth
I'd be better off with just a standard GT3
Layton's the kind of guy
who can exploit every inch
of that car it was unbelievable
absolutely unbelievable
so yeah
yeah must work harder to be a
better driver was my
my conclusion from that track
though
yeah
we've done an hour look
I've got a small fact to leave you on
whilst you were talking about that I've gone
and looked up a website called fastestlaps.com
and we're comparing
GT3 RS against
Turbo S
the answer runs smart
you just said GT2 RS
oh I meant
GT3 RS versus Turbo S
the answer runs spies
apparently three and a half seconds
says this
in which car's favour
oh obviously to
3RS
that's a
two and a half minute lap
233
posted in the 3RS
I think
the most interesting one here is
because I obviously don't know who's done
any of these laps and it's hard to
there's not that much data
but Motor Trend have a figure of eight circuit
that they use for all of their road tests
so it's a very flat and even
like every single car does the same
track layout I assume it's the same kind
of people it's
half a second difference
between a 3RS
and a Turbo S so I assume that's a very small track
final example
I can give you a track you might know
you've got
Laguna Seca
is three seconds
Nevergreen GP Sprint
is three seconds
so yeah I think on those
twisty tracks with the
that's where you're probably going to make up the
where the best chance is
but when you've got those high speed aero corners
obviously as we Joe as we experience
at least even for the passenger seat
the 3RS is a joke
it feels like you're on rails like it doesn't feel like
what you're doing should be possible
yeah
thanks to the aero so yeah I think
maybe even like a even a Silverstone
I think might be a quite a good one right
there's a lot of long straights
you need something with some straights
yeah no but Silverstone there's a lot
that like Maggots and Beckett all those
it's all fast there's a lot of fast
stuff so I think the 3RS would come alive
yeah that's right
we'll do it at Bedford we'll speak to Porsche and Michelin
yeah
yeah it should be easy
yeah
yeah
that's what we do we put
Layton in the turbo and then we go
and yeah we get the 3RS
yeah
I tell you what or what we could do
right is we put Layton in
Pats 912
me in the turbo s and Layton
would still win
hahahaha
hahahaha
on that bombshell
yes
yeah
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I know
it's called logistics and getting us all together
tonight man
fellas
thanks for mentioning it
oh yeah thanks for mentioning it
everyone it's late at night time
apart from the dark outside that window
normally we film these during the day
but we're all so busy we've had to do it at night time
so yeah
I've enjoyed this though
yeah we should
well we will
maybe we'll do a podcast
whilst doing a sim session
ohhhh
that's a good idea for the winter isn't it
I need to get myself a sim
well we'll let you work on that
and then we'll come back with maybe a sim
session podcast at some point that'd be cool
but Pat it would just end up with you talking
well
I'll be like don't talk to me I'm trying to get a lap time
hahahaha
I'll point myself on mute
yeah I'll point myself on mute
yeah
as long as his sim's
not based on an iphone we'll be alright
exactly
yeah
easy now
easy now take care boys
see ya
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