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Car Keys with Robin Leech and Jay de Marcken – July 6, 2026

Car Keys with Robin Leech and Jay de Marcken – July 6, 2026

CAR KEYS Jul 06, 2026 30 min
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Robin Leech and Jay de Marcken swap notes on Jay’s Rivian R2 demo drive and the surprisingly involved reservation process. Jay paid a $100 online to secure a place in line, then booked a slot at a Rivian center inside a Westchester Mall. He praised the R2’s comfort, spacious feel, and competence, but didn’t find it as exciting as other EVs he’s driven—especially compared with his McLaren reference point. He also hit the R2’s 80 mph governor during a spirited attempt to keep up with a Corvette C8, and discussed real-world range, power use, and how EV driving should be smooth rather than constantly chasing acceleration.

Technical Too Afraid to Ask
Brand

Rivian

"Possibly purchasing a Rivian which he's been talking about for some time. So let's Jay. Let's go and hear about it [29.8s] I signed up, you know, Rivian is [34.3s] Just like Tesla it's a there are no dealerships"

Rivian is a company that makes electric vehicles. Here they’re talking about how you reserve and order a Rivian online instead of going to a typical car dealership.

Term

reservation

"and that buys you a [47.0s] buys your reservation [50.0s] and [51.6s] Like the right to order a vehicle"

A reservation is like putting down a deposit to get access to buy a car later. In this case, paying $100 helps secure the right to order the Rivian when it’s time.

Rivian R2
Official manufacturer press image
Car

Rivian R2

"ever since they've announced the [61.0s] Rivian R2. So the R2 is the second [65.2s] model in the Rivian lineup"

The Rivian R2 is Rivian’s second electric vehicle model. People have been waiting for it, which is why reservations have been going on for a while.

Car

Rivian R1S

"So the R2 is the second [65.2s] model in the Rivian lineup the first one being the R1S and R1T so the two vehicles [72.2s] The SUV and the pickup truck"

The Rivian R1S is Rivian’s earlier electric SUV. The hosts mention it to explain how Rivian’s newer models differ in design and construction.

Car

Rivian R1T

"the first one being the R1S and R1T so the two vehicles [72.2s] The SUV and the pickup truck"

The Rivian R1T is Rivian’s earlier electric pickup. They mention it alongside the R1S to set up the comparison to the R2.

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body-on-frame

"Nothing but good actually the R1 is a body-on-frame [92.7s] vehicle so a little bit like like a Chevy Tahoe or suburban like [98.8s] Toyota Land Cruiser"

Body-on-frame means the car has a strong “skeleton” frame, and the body is attached to it. It’s common on trucks and some SUVs because it’s built to take more strain.

Car

Chevrolet Suburban

"...ehicle so a little bit like like a Chevy Tahoe or suburban like Toyota Land Cruiser the R2 is a more is a ca..."

The Suburban is a large SUV made to fit many passengers and a lot of luggage. It’s designed for everyday family use and long trips. People mention it when talking about what a “big, practical SUV” is like.

Car

Chevrolet Tahoe

"the R1 is a body-on-frame [92.7s] vehicle so a little bit like like a Chevy Tahoe or suburban like [98.8s] Toyota Land Cruiser"

The Chevy Tahoe is a large SUV. The host brings it up because it’s the kind of vehicle that typically uses a separate frame under the body.

Car

Toyota Land Cruiser

"like a Chevy Tahoe or suburban like [98.8s] Toyota Land Cruiser the R2 is a more is a car like [105.9s] a [106.6s] Unibody"

The Toyota Land Cruiser is a tough SUV that’s typically built with a separate frame. The host uses it as an example of the same general construction style.

Term

unibody

"the R2 is a more is a car like [105.9s] a [106.6s] Unibody so totally different [111.4s] Design but the looks of the vehicle is is identical."

Unibody means the body and the main structure are built as one piece. It can make the vehicle feel tighter and more efficient, but it’s a different design approach than a separate frame.

Brand

Tesla

"[148.4s] Rivian just like Lucid and Tesla I believe have stores in the Westchester Mall in white planes"

Tesla is a well-known electric-car company. In this part of the episode, it’s mentioned as another brand that has stores where you can go try a car.

Brand

Lucid

"[148.4s] Rivian just like Lucid and Tesla I believe have stores in the Westchester Mall in white planes"

Lucid is an electric-car company. The speaker is basically saying that Lucid, like other EV brands, has a place you can go to see and try the cars.

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electric vehicles

"But you know and I I'm not familiar with you know Rivian like Tesla like a bunch of other [234.2s] Electric vehicles, you know, there's a whole [238.9s] There's a learning curve and how to you know use the system and the software"

Electric vehicles are cars that use electricity stored in a battery to move instead of gasoline. The host is saying there’s usually a learning curve to figure out the car’s controls and screen-based features.

Term

system and the software

"There's a learning curve and how to you know use the system and the software [242.9s] So I you know having it only, you know, I thought would be 10 15 minutes turned out"

EVs use lots of computer software to control features and show information on screens. The host is saying you may need a little time to learn how to use the menus and controls.

Car

Tesla s

"I've driven a few electric vehicles never owned one [264.6s] But I've driven I've driven a Tesla s I've driven a Tesla y"

This is a Tesla electric car (the Model S). It’s known for being a modern, high-tech electric sedan with good range and fast versions.

Car

Tesla y

"But I've driven I've driven a Tesla s I've driven a Tesla y I've driven a Chevy bolt"

This refers to the Tesla Model Y, an electric SUV/crossover. It’s popular because it’s practical and comes with lots of tech for an EV.

Car

Chevy bolt

"I've driven a Tesla y I've driven a Chevy bolt [273.3s] I've driven an Ionic 5 and more recent"

This is the Chevrolet Bolt, an electric car designed to be more affordable. It’s a practical EV you can use every day.

Car

Lucid Air

"[280.0s] I've driven the lucid air I have and I've driven I've driven a few [286.4s] portion mccanns"

This is the Lucid Air, a luxury electric sedan. People talk about it as a premium EV with strong range and comfort.

Concept

driving comparisons

"Comparison, you know, it's the same size vehicle [321.6s] But not at all the same price range [326.2s] So [326.2s] You know, I'm also part of a I"

“Driving comparisons” refers to evaluating cars by how they feel and behave during real driving—often using demo drives or test drives—rather than relying only on specs or reviews. In this segment, it’s used to frame whether the Rivian R2 matches expectations set by other EVs.

Car

Rivian R1

"Who've commented on their experience with both the Rivian R1 and also, you know [347.5s] Their impressions after driving the R2, you know, like like me in the demo drives"

This is Rivian’s earlier, bigger EV lineup. Here it’s mentioned as the comparison point for how people feel about the newer R2.

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demo drives

"Their impressions after driving the R2, you know, like like me in the demo drives [352.9s] So I was I was quite excited and car and driver and other magazines have test driven the R2"

A demo drive is a chance to take a car out and try it before you buy it. People use it to see how the car feels in real life.

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sport mode

"But I drove it in sport mode so you can put the steering and the suspension in sport mode and Neither of which felt really very sporty, but then again, it's not a sports car"

Sport mode is a button setting that tries to make the car feel more responsive and “aggressive.” In this case, the speaker didn’t feel much difference, so it didn’t seem truly sporty.

Term

650 horsepower

"the performance version of the car and And it's a 650 horsepower car. I mean we're talking zero to sixty and three and a half seconds and Even though it felt very quick"

Horsepower is a way to describe how much power the car’s motor can produce. More horsepower usually helps the car accelerate faster.

Concept

zero to sixty time

"And it's a 650 horsepower car. I mean we're talking zero to sixty and three and a half seconds and Even though it felt very quick I'd be hard-pressed to say it was any faster than the than the mccan"

Zero to sixty time is how quickly a car goes from standing still to 60 mph. Lower numbers generally mean quicker acceleration.

Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"I got passed on a non-ramp on 287 by a brand-new Corvette C8 and [527.3s] I told the guy sales guy next to me."

The Corvette C8 is a newer Corvette generation from Chevrolet. It’s famous for having the engine in the middle of the car, which helps it feel quick and handle better.

Term

on ramp

"so it went through the corner tried to follow the Corvette [537.8s] Accelerated on the on ramp"

An on-ramp is the lane you enter from to join a highway. Cars often speed up there to merge safely.

Term

governed at 80 miles an hour

"Only to find out at all the Rivian demo vehicles are governed at 80 miles an hour. So I [547.4s] Lost the race"

“Governed at 80 mph” means the car has a built-in electronic speed limit. Even if you press harder, it won’t go faster than 80 mph.

Term

time slots

"Either got the reservation their time slots already although they signed up not too long ago and others have been waiting a much longer time"

“Time slots” are the scheduled windows when you can actually buy or finalize your vehicle order. Some people get offered a slot sooner than others.

Concept

wait lines

"Are waiting or have to wait a much much longer. So I don't know if there's any rhyme and reason to to to the wait lines but"

They mean the waiting list for getting a vehicle. People get slotted based on how long they’ve been waiting, and the speaker thinks there’s a system behind it.

Concept

not transferable

"Your place in line to me. No, you could know nope cannot do that. Okay, that is something you cannot do I would have to purchase the vehicle and then sell it to you So you can it it's not transferable."

They’re saying the reservation/queue spot can’t be transferred to someone else. If you can’t take the vehicle when offered, you’d have to buy it first and then sell it yourself.

Term

200 miles range

"[771.1s] I think we left with about 200 miles range [776.4s] I [777.0s] Drove it in sport mode and we came back and there was a like a hundred and fifty mile range"

Range is how far the electric car can go on one full battery charge. If you drive aggressively, you usually get less distance than the optimistic estimate.

Term

consumption

"[784.1s] And and and you could see on the graph that the day's consumption [787.5s] So all the test drives and then mine and then you know when I drove it [792.5s] That was definitely a peak in consumption like I I"

Consumption is basically how much energy the car uses as you drive. If consumption goes up, you’ll typically get less range from the battery.

Term

gas mileage

"[807.4s] Yeah, but you know you do that with a with a gas-powered car too. I mean if you drive [813.8s] Powered car, you know hard you're gonna get half the gas mileage you're getting with it when you're driving it, you know [820.8s] conservatively so"

Gas mileage is how efficiently a gas car uses fuel. If you drive hard, you usually get worse mileage and spend more fuel.

Term

stop lights

"[837.4s] Racing speeds in short order and doing zero to sixty starts from stop lights [843.0s] No, it get that gets old very fast and you can serve the [846.8s] Electricity to get maybe get the 300 miles that"

Stop lights are where you have to slow down and then accelerate again. That start-and-stop driving can use more battery than smooth, steady driving.

Term

pass and forget

"And that's it and pass and forget [886.8s] I just think it's nice to be as smooth as possible [890.2s] And and that's the thing the electric vehicle is smooth and quiet in a way that no gas car can be"

“Pass and forget” means you overtake decisively, then stop thinking about it and just continue driving. The idea is to make the pass quickly and move on.

Car

Mercedes-Benz EQS

"... electric vehicle, you know, I haven't driven the EQS in a while But again the EQS is also a 100000 dol..."

The EQS is an electric version of a luxury Mercedes sedan. It’s made to be very comfortable and quiet while driving. It’s also typically a very expensive car because it’s built with advanced luxury and electric technology.

Car

Mercedes-Benz Sclass

"It's the EQS is from to me Probably the best ride. I mean the EQS is like driving in the s-class Mercedes I mean comfort and ride do not get any better than in those vehicles period"

The S-Class is a high-end Mercedes sedan focused on comfort. It’s built to feel smooth and quiet, especially when driving on the highway. People bring it up when they want to talk about luxury ride quality.

Car

ML-Class Mercedes Class

"...ke we are but has owned before that owned Several Mercedes class essence. So, you know, he came from a luxury vehi..."

The ML-Class is a Mercedes SUV that’s built for everyday comfort and practicality. It’s a mid-size luxury vehicle, not a sports car. The podcast mentions it as a past Mercedes model someone owned.

Term

21-inch wheels

"Sporty especially in sport mode and with 21-inch wheels and tires [1057.6s] And it just isn't and that's fine again."

Bigger wheels (like 21-inch) can make the car feel more responsive when turning. But they can also make the ride a bit less cushy because the tires usually have less “squish.”

Term

sporty suspension

"Do I think you'd be alluding to if you were thinking for a sporty suspension? [1075.2s] Performance aspect to that vehicle going around corners even like our you know, but then this is where like a Porsche Macan"

A sporty suspension is set up to help the car stay more stable in turns. The speaker is basically asking whether this car’s suspension tuning really makes it feel like a performance vehicle.

Car

Porsche Macan

"But then this is where like a Porsche Macan [1084.5s] electric Macan [1086.1s] ticks all the boxes because it handles it handles"

The Porsche Macan is a luxury SUV from Porsche. The speaker is saying the electric Macan drives in a sporty way—good cornering—while still riding comfortably.

Term

40,000 mile oil service

"I recently had one of my Audi's go down to an Audi dealer for its 40,000 mile oil service and it was quoted to me to be 425 dollars"

This means the car’s scheduled maintenance point where you change the oil after a certain number of miles. They’re pointing out that the dealer’s price for that routine service felt excessive.

Term

certified used vehicle

"Well, because it's under it's a certified used vehicle and Unfortunately, it didn't come with two free oil changes"

A certified used car is a used vehicle that’s been inspected and approved by the brand or dealer. It often comes with extra promises, but it doesn’t always include freebies like oil changes.

Term

coupons

"because of certain coupons I discovered were available through the Audi system that would apply to my vehicle"

They’re talking about discount coupons that the dealer/brand offers to lower the final price of service. In this case, it helped reduce the oil-service quote.

Term

brake fluid change

"One part of it was an or a brake fluid change which ended up being Under a hundred dollars, but was quoted on it on the service thing"

Brake fluid is what helps your brakes work. Over time it can pick up moisture, so changing it helps keep braking feel and performance consistent.

Brand

Audi

"Incidentally, Audi recommends every two years. I have not changed oil ... I will tell you my limited knowledge is mainly limited to Audi"

Audi is the car brand being discussed. The speaker is talking about what Audi recommends for service timing and how that compares to what they’ve been doing and what dealerships charge.

Term

transmission fluid

"As opposed to maybe a mileage thing like a 100000 miles you should change ... I I Think transmission fluid or something in some of these newer cars"

Transmission fluid is the liquid that keeps the gearbox working smoothly. It helps moving parts move with less wear and helps the car shift gears properly. It also needs periodic service, depending on the car.

Term

labor rate

"The first thing I look at is Something up on a wall which tells you what their labor rate is for an hourly rate"

Labor rate is what a shop charges per hour for the technician’s work. Even if the job is quick, the hourly rate and the time they estimate can make the bill add up fast.

Term

service slip

"But it was 75 dollars for the charge for this special liquid that was supposed to be added to the oil You know all these little things add up. So I would say to listeners if you are Buying newer cars these days and you are using you and you're gonna give it proper Interval needed service like oil changes."

A “service slip” is the receipt or work order that lists what the shop did and how much each part or service cost. It helps you see what you’re actually paying for.

Concept

dealer add-ons

"You're only getting charged that kind of price because you're going into those dealerships My whole point is I remember over ten years ago."

“Dealer add-ons” are extra charges the dealership adds on top of the main service. The speaker’s point is that these extras can make the bill much bigger than you expected.

Term

certified pre-owned

"I remember over ten years ago. I helped my daughter buy her first certified pre-owned Subaru and We bought it in Long Island"

“Certified pre-owned” means the used car was checked and approved under a program, usually with extra warranty coverage. It’s not just any used car, so warranty rules can be different.

Term

warranty

"So the question to the the sales guy was like, okay So the warranty applies, you know, do we have to come and service it here? Can we have it service at any Subaru dealership"

Here, “warranty” means the guarantee that certain repairs will be covered. They’re asking whether you can get that covered service at different dealerships or only where you bought the car.

Term

independent shop

"You don't need to go to any Subaru dealer you can go to any independent shop"

An independent shop is a regular mechanic business that isn’t tied to one car brand. The point here is that you can often get the same maintenance done for less than a dealership.

Term

manufacturer's service centers

"if you're gonna buy a car new you should at least use the dealership service or the manufacturers service centers of the same car"

A manufacturer’s service center is a shop that works directly with the car brand’s own service process. The hosts suggest it can make warranty maintenance easier because it matches the rules from the maker.

Term

additives

"Are they're gonna be additives put in most additives aren't needed as this author said they are gimmicks to make profit"

Additives are extra chemicals a shop may suggest adding to your oil. The host’s point is that many of them don’t actually help much and can just be a way to charge more.

Term

oil changes

"[1667.1s] An electric car that this magazine tried out that they they were charging for an electric car doesn't need any oil changes [1674.7s] But it does it was good to mention that"

An oil change is maintenance for gas engines where old engine oil is replaced with new oil. Electric cars don’t use engine oil the same way, so they typically don’t need oil changes.

Term

electric car

"[1667.1s] An electric car that this magazine tried out that they they were charging for an electric car doesn't need any oil changes [1674.7s] But it does it was good to mention that"

An electric car runs on electricity stored in a battery, not gasoline. That’s why its maintenance needs can be different from gas cars.

Term

10,000 mile service

"[1677.0s] chaotic services and I don't know what you do, but he was complaining about an alleged charge for an electric car [1685.5s] Some 30, you know 20,000 mile or 10,000 mile service [1688.9s] There was over $200 and he couldn't figure out what that was being what was being charged."

A “10,000 mile service” is a maintenance visit planned for when the car reaches about 10,000 miles. The point here is that you can still be charged for scheduled service even if some gas-car items don’t apply to EVs.

Term

oil change place

"[1714.5s] Even use cars may if you go to the wrong [1718.8s] Oil change place you may get maybe you get ripped off. Yes, Jay"

An “oil change place” is a quick-lube shop that does oil service. The hosts are warning that if you pick the wrong shop, you might pay more than you expected.

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