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Car Keys with Robin Leech and Jay de Marcken – April 27, 2026

Car Keys with Robin Leech and Jay de Marcken – April 27, 2026

CAR KEYS Apr 27, 2026 30 min
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Robin Leach kicks things off with a surprisingly enthusiastic review of a loaner Dodge Hornet GT, praising its turbocharged punch, sharp handling, and value despite its awkward styling and short market life. That leads into a bigger debate about Stellantis’ weak marketing, dealer stocking habits, and why vehicles like the new Cherokee and Hornet aren’t gaining traction. The conversation widens to EV strategy, Toyota and Hyundai’s long-game approach, and smart summer buys like used Miatas, Mustangs, and Mercedes SLs.

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new tires

"...I had to leave one of the jeeps at the dealer for new tires and various other things that are needing to be done and got a loaner..."

“New tires” just means the tires were replaced. Tires strongly affect how smooth the ride feels and how well the car sticks to the road. If the car is in the shop for tires, you often need a loaner.

Brand

Stalantis

"...got a loaner from the Stalantis dealer in Tarrington where I do my services and it happened to be a Vehicle that was briefly on the market here under the Stalantis name or under the Dodge name..."

They’re talking about Stellantis, the big company that owns several car brands. The host is saying the dealer they use is part of that group, which is why they got a Dodge loaner. It helps explain why different brands show up at the same dealership network.

Car

Dodge Hornet

"...got a loaner from the Stalantis dealer in Tarrington where I do my services and it happened to be a Vehicle that was briefly on the market here under the Stalantis name or under the Dodge name called a Dodge Hornet..."

The Dodge Hornet is a small SUV/crossover that Dodge tried selling for a short time. The host is talking about how it was priced, marketed, and then taken back off the market. They also mention getting to drive a higher trim called the GT.

Term

GT model

"...I didn't really get to drive the GT model which I now had the chance to drive..."

“GT model” means a nicer/sportier version of the car compared to the standard one. The host is saying they finally got to drive that sportier trim. Different trims can change how the car drives and feels.

Concept

suspension is taught but not rough

"...it ends up driving in a very very suitable fashion And I think is very well planted on the road The suspension is taught but not rough..."

This describes suspension tuning: “taught” typically means firm control and less body movement, while “not rough” suggests the ride is still compliant over bumps. Together, it’s a balance between handling stability and comfort. Listeners may benefit from understanding how spring/damper tuning and tire choice affect this feel.

Term

turbocharged

"...the suspension is taught but not rough the power of the turbocharged..."

“Turbocharged” means the engine has a device that forces extra air into it. That helps the car make more power, often making it feel quicker. The host is saying the turbo power contributes to how the car drives.

Term

four-cylinder engine

"Hurricane four-cylinder engine is sensational and Would put a lot of other cars To shame in terms of a zero to sixty sprint I think the price was extreme"

A four-cylinder engine is an engine with four moving pistons. It’s often chosen to save fuel, and in this case the speaker says it’s surprisingly strong.

Term

zero to sixty sprint

"Would put a lot of other cars To shame in terms of a zero to sixty sprint I think the price was extreme"

“Zero to sixty” means how fast a car can go from stopped to 60 mph. People use it to compare how quickly different cars feel like they accelerate.

Term

firm suspension

"The press people have said it, you know, it's a very firm suspension And and it's a small SUV, right? It's what we call a subcompact"

A firm suspension means the car doesn’t “float” much over bumps. It can feel more controlled in corners, but it may feel less comfortable on rough roads.

Term

subcompact

"And and it's a small SUV, right? It's what we call a subcompact"

“Subcompact” means a smaller SUV size. It usually drives more easily in traffic and parking, but it may not have as much space as bigger SUVs.

Car

Honda Hrv

"So it compares to a Honda HRV not the CRV, but the smaller model and"

The Honda HR-V is a small SUV. It’s smaller than the CR-V, so it’s usually easier to park and drive day to day.

Car

Honda Crv

"So it compares to a Honda HRV not the CRV, but the smaller model and"

The Honda CR-V is a bigger SUV than the HR-V. They’re both crossovers, but the CR-V is usually roomier.

Car

Toyota Corolla

"What I think Toyota has branded as a Corolla now a Corolla little SUV also smaller than a RAF for"

The Toyota Corolla is usually a regular car, but the speaker is talking about it being used for a smaller SUV-style vehicle. The idea is that Toyota is trying to sell a crossover in the Corolla name.

Concept

tariffs

"The excuse of the tariffs is is you know, it's in part true But I think the decision had been made before the tariffs came out"

Tariffs are extra taxes on imported products. If cars are imported, tariffs can make them more expensive to sell, which can affect whether a model stays on the market.

Concept

25% unimported vehicles from Europe

"25% unimported vehicles from Europe and That was just the fact that the car was just not selling period"

The speaker is talking about a 25% tax on certain cars coming from Europe. That kind of tax can raise the price of the car and hurt sales.

Car

Jeep Cherokee

"Jeep started Stopped producing the Jeep Cherokee. So you would think that dealers who had those cars on the lots would would have been able to"

The Jeep Cherokee is a Jeep SUV. The speaker says Jeep stopped making it, so you’d expect dealers to sell something else instead—but they didn’t.

Car

Chevy Bolt

"Had tested the first Chevy Bolt when it had just come out and the only example of the car They had was parked way in the back of the lot behind the SUVs and the pickup trucks"

The Chevy Bolt is an electric car made by Chevrolet. When it first came out, dealers often didn’t have many on display, so it was harder for shoppers to see and consider it.

Concept

dealer promotion and showroom visibility

"And so I think if dealers are not going to promote a vehicle they're just not going to sell them. Okay, Jay. I want to jump in because you're right on spot if we're talking about the same dealership"

The main point is that if a dealer doesn’t put the car where people can see it and doesn’t advertise it, fewer people will notice it and buy it. Visibility matters a lot for sales.

Car

Dodge Durango

"and they're all Durango's no chargers No, I don't know what what else Dodge actually makes"

The Dodge Durango is a Dodge SUV, usually with room for more than just two people. The hosts are using it to show what kinds of Dodge vehicles dealers actually keep on hand.

Car

Jeep Wrangler

"out of the jeeps that I think like about 50 of the vehicles are Wranglers and Grand Cherokees, which are actually really good Models for for the brand right"

The Jeep Wrangler is Jeep’s iconic off-road SUV, known for its removable doors and roof and its strong brand identity. The hosts use it as an example of a model that dealers stock heavily because it matches what Jeep buyers expect.

Car

Jeep Grand Cherokee

"out of the jeeps that I think like about 50 of the vehicles are Wranglers and Grand Cherokees, which are actually really good Models for for the brand right"

The Jeep Grand Cherokee is Jeep’s mainstream SUV that blends everyday comfort with off-road capability. The hosts mention it alongside the Wrangler to illustrate which Jeep models dealers prioritize because they’re strong brand fits.

Car

Audi Q5

"The Grand Cherokee is really a really good SUV and compares well compared to you know Audi Q5 BMW X3s and X5s and the likes"

The Audi Q5 is a popular luxury SUV. They mention it to show that the Jeep Grand Cherokee is competing with well-known SUVs in the same general class.

Car

BMW X5

"Audi Q5 BMW X3s and X5s and the likes"

The BMW X5 is a bigger luxury SUV. They mention it to show the Jeep Grand Cherokee is being compared to well-known luxury SUVs people might consider instead.

Car

BMW X3

"compares well compared to you know Audi Q5 BMW X3s and X5s and the likes"

The BMW X3 is a compact luxury SUV and a common competitor in the same shopping set as other mid-size SUVs. The hosts use it as a reference point for how the Jeep Grand Cherokee stacks up in perceived value and capability.

Term

Incentive

"Why salesperson told me that there's no Incentive yet out of there. Well, there is an incentive if you look at it on and online is a thousand dollars off"

An incentive is a deal that lowers the price or helps with financing. They’re saying there may not be a big promotion at the dealership, but there is some discount and financing help if you look online.

Term

financing

"there is an incentive if you look at it on and online is a thousand dollars off and there's maybe Some financing that might be interesting"

Financing refers to how a buyer pays for the vehicle over time, typically through a loan with an interest rate and term length. The host mentions that the incentive includes financing that could be “interesting,” implying the deal may depend on credit and loan terms.

Concept

soft version of the old Cherokee

"Which is a soft version of the old Cherokee? I want to probably I want to say it that way because I think it's a nice design... But to be it if you were going to take the new Cherokee camping versus the old Cherokee"

They mean the newer Cherokee feels more like a comfort SUV than a rugged, outdoors-focused one. Even if ads suggest it can do the same things, the newer one may not have the practical gear/features you’d use.

Term

CVT type transmission

"I think it rides nicely the drivetrain which I panned initially because it it only has a CVT type transmission... No geared no direct gears"

A CVT is a transmission that doesn’t use set gears. Instead, it smoothly changes ratios, which can feel different than a normal automatic—sometimes less “grabby” when you need power right now.

Concept

camping features

"...if you were going to take the new Cherokee camping versus the old Cherokee... Mine has things that I would be using in the campground... It doesn't have it and it's not even available in an upper level"

They’re talking about whether the SUV has the useful stuff you’d want for camping. The point is that the newer Cherokee doesn’t offer those same camping-friendly features, even on the higher trims.

Brand

GM

"Well, Stalantis and the American legacy manufacturers like Ford and GM... They have the biggest dealer networks, right? ... 2800 Ford and GM dealers"

GM stands for General Motors, a large American car maker. They mention it to compare how big legacy brands’ dealer networks are versus other automakers.

Brand

Hyundai

"And when you compare to Hyundai for instance, they have a total I think of 800 dealers... and yet they sell Way more vehicles than Jeep and Dodge"

Hyundai is a car brand that sells a lot of vehicles in the U.S. They’re saying Hyundai may have fewer dealers than Jeep/Dodge, but it still sells more cars.

Concept

electric cars

"...the American manufacturers work have been quick to Distance themselves from continuing Production of all electric vehicles... there's a headline... crossover heavy brands rethink decisions to sideline Electric cars"

They’re talking about electric cars and whether companies are still fully committed to them. The point is that some brands are slowing down or changing plans, while others keep selling electric or electrified options.

Brand

Kia

"...Distance themselves from continuing Production of all electric vehicles as and yet Hyundai and Kia and Toyota... keeping stuff Vehicles like that available"

Kia is another car brand in the Hyundai group. They mention Kia as part of the comparison showing other brands are continuing to offer electric or electrified cars.

Concept

Electric vehicle sales

"Here's the thing European manufacturers took a big hit with the Electric vehicle sales, right? We know they they didn't take off as expected."

They’re talking about how many electric cars people are actually buying. If those sales aren’t as high as expected, car companies may pause or delay new EV projects.

Car

Ford F150 Lightening

"And they're put saying oh, we're pausing. We're not abandoning it, you know But but but they're they're tip-toeing and and Ford has pulled away from from the f-150 lightening the message They are sending to customers is like, we're not sure about this. We're not really going to invest in it"

The Ford F-150 Lightning is a pickup truck that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s meant to keep the usefulness of a truck while using an EV powertrain. The podcast mentions it in terms of how Ford is talking about it and positioning it to customers.

Brand

Stellantis

"So I think the change is coming. So, you know back to Stellantis... You you just look at the note the sales numbers and and they're and they're they're really not good"

Stellantis is a big company that makes lots of car brands. If Stellantis is struggling with sales, it can impact specific brands like Jeep and the models they sell.

Concept

miserable gas mileage

"And I think it has to do with the fact that this these particular lines of vehicles get miserable gas mileage and maybe they're saturating the energetic Jeep"

They’re saying these SUVs don’t get good fuel economy. If a car uses a lot of gas, people may hesitate to buy it or it may sit longer on lots.

Term

miles per gallon

"It's just when you have a 15 gallon tank and you have a car that gets 15 to 20 miles a gallon And you're having to put $80 worth of fuel in if it's empty"

Miles per gallon (MPG) tells you how efficiently a car uses fuel. Higher MPG usually means you spend less on gas, which is why the hosts connect MPG to rising fuel costs.

Term

ground clearance

"90% of what a Jeep Wrangler could do limited only by ground clearance and not as rugged Robin Robin No, that is a mood point people buying Jeep Wranglers."

Ground clearance is how much space the car has between the bottom and the road. More ground clearance helps the vehicle avoid hitting obstacles when driving off-road.

Car

Ford Bronco

"Yeah competing with both the Bronco and the Wrangler correct But but the bigger picture is and and some of these body-on-frame vehicles are"

The Ford Bronco is another SUV aimed at people who want a rugged, off-road capable vehicle. The hosts mention it because it competes with Jeep’s Wrangler for the same kind of buyer.

Concept

body-on-frame

"But but the bigger picture is and and some of these body-on-frame vehicles are Becoming increasingly popular look at Toyota with the new Land Cruiser and the forerunner."

Body-on-frame means the car has a separate “truck-like” frame underneath, and the body bolts to it. It’s often used on rugged SUVs because it can handle rough use, but it can be heavier and less efficient.

Car

Toyota Land Cruiser

"look at Toyota with the new Land Cruiser and the forerunner. So last year and I Hope I'm correct with these numbers. I don't think I'm far off Toyota sold I think about 60,000 new Land Cruisers"

The Toyota Land Cruiser is known for being very tough and capable off-road. The hosts bring it up to show that people are still buying rugged, truck-based SUVs in big numbers.

Topic

SUV sales competition (Land Cruiser vs Wrangler/Bronco)

"So it caught up later in the year and this year is probably gonna outsell the Land Cruiser ... Both the Wrangler and the Bronco ... chip away at the sales of Jeep Wranglers"

They’re debating which popular SUVs will sell the most and why. It’s mostly about Toyota versus Jeep and Ford in the rugged SUV segment.

Car

Boulder Hyundai Bolder

"... add to that that you know We saw we all saw the Hyundai bolder concept at the New York Auto show You know that ..."

The “Boulder” is a concept vehicle shown by Hyundai at the New York Auto Show. A concept car is not always a car you can buy right away—it’s more like a preview of ideas. The podcast mentions it because it can show where the company might be heading.

Brand

BYD

"Okay, look at at what BYD is doing in Europe. They are becoming one of the the best-selling vehicles bar none."

BYD is a car company from China. The hosts are pointing out that BYD is selling a lot of cars in Europe, which challenges the idea that Americans won’t buy Chinese brands.

Concept

barriers

"So here in the US. We have all sorts of barriers When it comes to Chinese cars, but go back 50 years..."

“Barriers” here refers to obstacles that make it harder for certain cars—specifically Chinese cars—to sell in the U.S. These can include tariffs, regulations, and other market-access hurdles. The hosts frame them as part of why Chinese brands face a tougher path than they do in Europe.

Concept

protectionist

"People were very protectionist and you know, we did not want to see the invasion of Japanese cars in America. That was not gonna happen."

Protectionist means trying to protect local companies from foreign competition. In the past, some people didn’t want Japanese cars coming into the U.S., and the hosts compare that to today’s concerns about Chinese cars.

Concept

EV sales up

"I have in front of me to Toyota bucks the trend of declining February EV numbers meaning their EV sales are up..."

“EV sales up” means more electric cars are being sold. The hosts are using this to show that at least some automakers are doing better than people assume.

Concept

vehicles in stock

"So they don't have them as you say they don't have the right vehicles in stock to for anybody to look at. People when they want to buy cars are not very patient..."

The hosts suggest that EV sales may be affected by inventory availability—if dealers don’t have the right vehicles on the lot, customers can’t easily test or buy them. This frames sales performance as partly dependent on supply and dealer stocking decisions.

Topic

dealers rant

"...there's that I think the whole the whole Sales model is just antiquated and I don't want to go on a rant on on dealers..."

They’re about to talk about how car dealerships work and whether the sales process is outdated. The hosts imply it affects how people buy cars.

Concept

summer car

"Sports cars and convertibles, okay We want to go into vehicles that we don't use year-round and and so, you know, I've been reading art... go and buy a new one if you can afford to have a you know a summer car sitting in and not not driving it year-round"

A “summer car” is a vehicle you primarily use during warm-weather months—often because it’s a convertible or sports car that’s less practical year-round. The hosts suggest that if you can store it and only drive it seasonally, you may find better deals on used examples.

Concept

used cars deals vs new-car pricing

"Or you can drive it year-round, but there are deals to be made out there. There's some great Used cars... So you can go out and buy one for you know not by not paying $60,000 for a new one and still have fun"

They’re basically saying: you can often get the same fun from a used car for much less than buying new. The savings can be big, especially for cars that aren’t driven year-round.

Car

Mazda MX-5 / Miata

"There's some great Used cars that the Mazda Miata and all of its generation has always been a great both sports car and convertible"

The Mazda Miata is a small two-seat convertible that’s famous for being a blast to drive. It’s often a good used-car deal because you can buy one without paying “new car” money.

Term

rusting away

"I do too, but it's sitting in a parking lot outside In rust waiting Russing away, I'm afraid. Yes. I need to do something about that."

“Rusting away” refers to corrosion that occurs when a car sits unused for long periods, especially outdoors. For convertibles and sports cars, rust can become a major ownership issue because it can affect structural areas and body panels.

Car

Ford Mustang

"And like you have a Mustang, you know GT convertible. Yeah. That could be a fun summer car I mean, I'm sure if you tried to sell it today, you wouldn't get all that much money"

This is a Ford Mustang GT with a convertible top. The point here is that you can enjoy a more powerful, fun car in the summer without paying full new-car pricing if you buy used.

Car

Mercedes SL

"Mercedes convertibles even the SL sports car comes to mind you can get a 20 year old, you know ... 2003-2004-2005 Mercedes SL with a hardtop convertible"

Mercedes SL is a luxury convertible/roadster model line from Mercedes-Benz. The hosts are saying older SLs can be a smart used-car choice if you want the style and comfort without paying for a brand-new car.

Concept

buy a good used one

"We've all talked about how if you don't have to have the newest latest and most modern Model of a car that you might be interested in having as a driver's car That's exactly the way to go go go find a good used one sitting around either through private People who are trying to sell it because they don't need it anymore or the dealers that might have taken it in a trade-in for something new"

They’re basically saying: don’t feel like you have to buy the newest car. If you buy a good used one—especially from someone selling it or a dealer taking it in trade—you can usually get a better deal.

Car

Toyota Priuses

"You can get a good car for I think the used Toyota Priuses are probably a very good buy for people who don't have the money to buy a New one ... the first gen first second gen of Toyota Priuses are actually good deals"

The hosts specifically call out Toyota Prius hybrids as a strong used-car option for people who want affordable transportation. They also mention early generations (“first” and “second gen”) as especially good deals, emphasizing value and practicality rather than performance.

Concept

hybrids

"Yeah, the first gen first second gen of Toyota Priuses are actually good deals not electric cars are hybrids But they if you need cheap wheels, it's certainly something to look at"

They’re pointing out that a Prius is a hybrid, not a pure electric car. A hybrid uses gas plus an electric system to help it get better fuel economy.

Term

double yellow line

"Popping wheelies on the double yellow line on Main Street. So I don't understand that to jump in on this comment"

Double yellow lines are usually there to warn you not to pass. They’re often used in spots where visibility or road conditions make passing risky.

Concept

wheelies

"Popping wheelies on the double yellow line on Main Street. So I don't understand that to jump in on this comment"

A wheelie is when you accelerate so hard that the front wheels come up. It’s usually a sign of too much power for the available grip.

Term

rubber burning

"I've seen more rubber evidence of rubber burning or Around our roads this spring that I can recall seeing any other spring not that I remember"

When tires spin or get too hot, they can leave black streaks on the road. That’s a sign the tires are losing grip and wearing quickly.

Concept

tire wear from burnout/traction loss

"For those of you who have the vehicles anything over a quarter of a mile too long Yeah, not not good for your tires Not good for your brakes because obviously you're using the front brakes to to slow the vehicle down"

If tires are spinning and dragging on the road, they wear out faster. It can also make the car less grippy and potentially damage the tires.

Term

front brakes

"Not good for your tires Not good for your brakes because obviously you're using the front brakes to to slow the vehicle down"

When you brake, most of the stopping force goes to the front wheels. If you’re constantly braking hard, the front brake parts wear out sooner.

Concept

weight transfer during braking

"Not good for your brakes because obviously you're using the front brakes to to slow the vehicle down Not to be recommended by any strength"

When you slow down, the car’s weight shifts forward. That makes the front brakes do more of the work.

Topic

keeping our aisles peeled / passing cyclists safely

"I started the car this part of the conversation talking about kids being on the road and and Just let's keep our aisles peeled and let's remember that, you know, when you pass a cyclist"

They’re basically saying: watch out for cyclists and be careful when you pass them. Good driving means staying alert and leaving extra room.

Term

four feet

"It's kind of a rule if not the law that you have to leave them four feet"

When you pass a cyclist, you’re supposed to leave extra room—often described as about four feet—so they have space to stay steady and you don’t clip them.

Concept

flashing lights front and rear

"Yeah, if you're riding a bike get those flashing lights front and rear"

Flashing lights on a bicycle improve conspicuity, especially in daylight glare or low-visibility conditions. Front and rear lights help drivers judge distance and direction, reducing the chance of late detection.

Concept

iridescent piece of clothing

"It's just I would say wear an iridescent Piece of clothing somehow too because all that can help you survive"

Bright or reflective clothing can make you easier to see at night or in bad light. It bounces light back toward drivers, so they notice you sooner.

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