The Datsun 240Z is an older sports car from the late 1960s. It’s known for being a fun, stylish car that many enthusiasts still talk about today. The podcast mentions it because it’s part of a discussion about Z-car models.
A road course is a racing route made from roads, not an oval track. It usually has lots of corners, and in the early days here it was run right through the streets.
Bridgehampton is a place on Long Island that has a long history with car racing. The hosts are saying that, in the early days, races were run on regular streets—before it became a proper race course.
Can-Am was a racing series where teams were allowed to build very extreme race cars. The idea was to go as fast as possible, with fewer restrictions than many other series.
3D printing is a way to make a physical part from a computer file. For old cars, it can be used to recreate small pieces that are otherwise impossible to buy.
“Unobtainium” is a humorous way to say a part is basically impossible to find. It usually means the original part is no longer sold and nobody makes a replacement.
A magnesium block refers to an engine component made from magnesium alloy. Magnesium can be more sensitive to corrosion and cooling-system issues than many aluminum setups, so water-pump cooling and sealing become especially important.
The water pump moves coolant through the engine to keep it from overheating. If it breaks, the engine can run too hot and cause damage.
Term
aluminum housings
Aluminum housings are the casings/structures that support and protect a component—here, the water pump. Switching to aluminum housings is a practical fix to improve durability and compatibility with the cooling system.
Chris Amon was a famous race car driver, especially in Formula 1. The point here is that the speaker is sitting in the same seat Chris Amon used, which makes the experience feel more personal and historically connected.
Formula One is the highest level of open-wheel race car competition. It’s mentioned to explain why Chris Amon’s connection to the car feels so significant.
The Tasman Series was a well-known old-school racing series in Australia and New Zealand. The speaker brings it up to show Chris Amon raced at a high level in multiple places.
Ferrari is a famous Italian car brand that’s also heavily involved in racing. Here it’s used to emphasize that Chris Amon was a top driver in the Ferrari world.
Porsche Carrera T is a special version of the Porsche 911. It’s meant to feel more “driver-focused” by being lighter and more engaging to drive. Because it’s a specific, limited kind of 911, it can become very sought-after.
The Carrera RS is a special, performance-oriented version of the Porsche 911. It’s designed to be more focused on driving feel and speed than a regular model. The podcast mentions it as an example of a newer performance Porsche.
The Ferrari Enzo is a very famous, rare Ferrari supercar. It’s the kind of car collectors chase, so its price can jump a lot. The point here is that even experts can’t always predict when that kind of value surge will happen.
A pre-sale estimate is what an auction expects a car might sell for before the bidding begins. Even if the estimate is high, the actual sale price can end up much higher if lots of buyers want the same car.
The dot-com bubble was a time when lots of money poured into internet companies, and then it crashed. The host is using it as the reason some people suddenly had money to spend on expensive cars.
The Ferrari 288 GTO is an iconic old Ferrari from the 1980s that’s known for being fast and collectible. The host is saying that even though newer cars are even crazier, the 288 GTO still feels impressive.
Group B rally design refers to the 1980s FIA Group B rally era, known for extremely aggressive, lightweight, and high-performance cars built for maximum spectacle. The speaker is wishing a Ferrari 288 GTO had been developed with that kind of rally-focused engineering and attitude.
Term
rallies through the woods and dirt trails
That’s rallying on rough, unpaved paths through places like woods. The road surface changes a lot, so the car has to be set up for grip and bumps.
In a rally, there’s a second person called the navigator. They read instructions about the road ahead so the driver knows what’s coming and can drive faster safely.
Rust is corrosion of metal, and in older vehicles it often shows up around wheel arches, seams, and underbody areas where moisture and road salt collect. It can spread under paint and trim, making repairs more expensive than a simple surface fix.
They’re talking about an upcoming car show in June. The show’s theme is Italian cars, though they’ll still consider other great cars if they’re nominated.
“Pontoon-fendered” describes fenders that stick out in a rounded, bulging way—like little pontoons. It’s a visual clue to special race-car bodywork and how the car was designed around tires and airflow.
A “removable nose” means the front part of the car can be taken off. That can make it easier for mechanics to work on the car during service or racing.
This is a Ferrari race prototype from the mid-1960s that was built to compete at Le Mans. The “365 P2/P3” naming is part of Ferrari’s internal way of labeling prototype race cars as they evolved.
Le Mans is one of the most famous endurance races in the world, held in France. If a car “ran Le Mans,” it means it was built to compete at the highest level of long-distance racing.
Here, “nomenclature” just means the official naming/labeling system. Ferrari used codes and numbers to distinguish different prototype versions, and that’s what the host is referring to.
The GT40 is a famous Ford race car from the 1960s. It’s known for racing against Ferrari at Le Mans, which is why it comes up in stories like “Ford versus Ferrari.”
The 250 GTO is a very rare Ferrari race car from the 1960s. It’s well known because it’s tied to racing history and is considered one of the most important Ferraris. People bring it up in shows because it’s a major collectible.
The Ferrari 250 TDF is a classic Ferrari road/race-focused model name tied to the 250-series era, and it’s especially famous among vintage Ferrari racing enthusiasts. The host emphasizes that TDF refers to an original 1950s-era car, and they describe the recognizable blue-and-white livery and stripe.
Audrain refers to a major fancy car show where cars are judged. If the host worked with a car “at Audrain,” that car was in a top-level competition.
Concept
Conqueror
They’re talking about how many cars are a good number for a show. Too many cars makes it harder to judge and organize.
Term
Spa 1961
“Spa 1961” points to racing at Spa in 1961. It’s used here to describe old photos from that era, when cars and technology looked very different than today.
Michael Furman is a photographer the hosts talk about as a specialist in shooting classic cars. They say he’s great at making the car’s details look amazing in photos, not just from the usual angles.
The 250 Testa Rossa is a Ferrari race car from the 1950s. It’s famous because it competed at the highest levels of racing and is now a highly prized collectible. The podcast mentions it because it’s connected to the event lineup.
A light box is a photography setup that uses diffused light to illuminate a subject evenly. In this segment, the host says Furman sets up the car on a light box, implying controlled lighting to bring out fine details in the final images.
“Paints with light” is a way of saying he uses lighting and the camera creatively. Instead of just taking a normal picture, he makes the car’s shapes and details look artistic.
Car
Ferrari electric car
They’re talking about a Ferrari that runs on electricity. The point is that Ferrari is usually known for the sound and feel of a gas engine, so an electric Ferrari is a big change.
A manual transmission is when you choose the gears yourself, usually using a clutch pedal and a stick shift. The host is saying that’s part of what makes a Ferrari feel special.
A Prius is a Toyota car that uses both a gas engine and an electric motor. The goal is to use less fuel than a normal gas-only car. People talk about it a lot because it helped make hybrid cars common.
They mention Johnny Ive, who is famous for designing Apple products. The idea here is that Ferrari brought in a top tech designer to influence how the electric car looks.
The Ferrari 296 GTB is a modern Ferrari with the engine placed behind the driver. Here, they’re saying its shape/design reminds them of older racing cars.
Term
LM
“LM” is a reference to Le Mans, a famous endurance race. Saying a car looks like an “LM” usually means it has a classic race-car shape.
Term
12th Cilindry
This sounds like “12-cylinder,” meaning the engine has twelve cylinders. More cylinders often means a smoother, more complex engine, and it’s a common way people describe performance engines.
Drogo was an Italian company that built or reshaped the body of classic cars. For collectors, the coachbuilder matters because it can change how “period-correct” and valuable the car is.
Maranello is the town in Italy where Ferrari is based. When they say it feels like Maranello, they mean it feels like you’re surrounded by Ferrari history and cars.
Lamborghini is a famous Italian car brand known for high-performance supercars. They’re mentioning it to show how many legendary brands are tied to that kind of car culture.
The Ferrari Luce is a Ferrari model that the podcast mentions as a new release. It’s brought up as part of what Ferrari is currently offering. The conversation doesn’t provide details beyond that it’s a new name/model.
A “G wagon” is a Mercedes-Benz SUV that’s known for being tough and off-road capable. The host is just using it as another example in the electric-vs-anti-electric discussion.
The G-Class is a luxury SUV with a very recognizable, boxy shape. It’s built to handle off-road driving, not just city streets. The podcast mentions it as one of the main options people consider.
Hybrid technology means the car uses both a gas engine and an electric system. The host is saying hybrids don’t bother them as much as going fully electric.
The World Endurance Championship is a racing series for long-distance races. Cars and teams have to last the whole event, not just go fast for a few laps.
The Ferrari 499P is a race car Ferrari built for long-distance endurance racing. The host brings it up because it’s been winning a lot recently in the WEC.
The Toyota GR86 is a fun, sporty Toyota coupe that’s designed to feel lively and easy to drive. In this story, the speaker had one in a manual and added an exhaust to make it sound better.
A “premium package” usually means the car is optioned with extra features that aren’t included on the basic version. Think of it like buying a higher-equipped trim level with more comfort and convenience.
A catback exhaust is an upgrade to the part of the exhaust system after the catalytic converter. People do it mainly to change the sound (often deeper or louder) and sometimes to help the car breathe a bit better.
“Lowering” a car means reducing its ride height, typically by changing suspension components or using lowering springs/coilovers. It’s often done for appearance and can also affect handling by lowering the center of gravity, though it may reduce ride comfort and increase the chance of scraping.
The BMW 4 Series is a BMW luxury car line that’s meant to feel more sporty than a typical family sedan. In this story, it’s the car the speaker uses for short daily driving.
Heated seats use built-in electric heating elements to warm the seat cushions and sometimes the backrest. They’re a common comfort feature in cold weather and are often controlled by a multi-level switch or climate system.
This is a 1970 AMC AMX, a muscle car from the late 1960s/early 1970s era. The big deal here is that it has a 360 V8 and a 4-speed manual, and it’s also been recognized with top concours-style awards.
The AMC Matador is an older American car from the 1970s. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as a specific example with known color and mileage. People talk about cars like this because the details help collectors judge what they’re buying.
The Buick Grand National is a performance version of a Buick. It’s known for being fast compared with typical cars of its time. The podcast mentions it because it has a strong track/award reputation.
AACA is a classic-car judging organization. “Senior First” means the car won a top-level award for how well it’s preserved and how correct it is for its model.
“360 cubic inch 4 barrel V8” describes the engine’s displacement and induction setup: a 360 cu in V8 fed by a four-barrel carburetor. The four-barrel carburetor typically supports stronger airflow than a single- or two-barrel setup, which matters for how the car performs and how it’s judged for originality.
The “Z28” name originally meant a specific option package on a Chevrolet, not a separate model. Over time, people started using the Z28 label like it was the car’s main name.
The Oldsmobile F85 is an older Oldsmobile model from the 1960s. In the podcast, they’re talking about a specific F85/442 hardtop that’s been restored. Collectors care about details like the exact model and restoration quality.
The “12-bolt” is a particular rear-axle design used on many classic GM cars. “Posi” means the rear end helps both wheels grip instead of letting one spin.
A Muncie M20 is a classic-style manual gearbox made by Muncie for certain GM cars. When someone says it’s “correct,” they mean it’s the right transmission type for that car, not just any replacement.
This is a classic Ford V8 with a “flathead” design, meaning the engine’s valve layout is built into the block. The “221 cubic inch” part tells you which version of that engine it is.
This is a 1978 Buick Electra 225 Landau—an old-school big luxury car. The “Landau hardtop” part describes the body style, and the host is saying it’s hard to find in good condition.
The 1977 Buick Le Sabre is a big classic Buick from the 1970s. The host mentions it because it’s the kind of car their family had and they’d like to find one again.
This is a 1974 Buick Le Sabre in the Luxus trim, meaning it was the more upscale version. The host also notes it had a 455 V8, which is a big engine option for that time.
“Stage One” is a performance option that some Buicks could be built with. It generally means the car was set up to be quicker and more performance-focused than the base version.
The McLaren Sabre is a high-performance supercar made by McLaren. The podcast brings it up when talking about cars people have owned or seen. It’s mentioned as an example of a standout performance vehicle.
A “four-barrel V8” means the V8 has a four-barrel carb setup. That usually lets the engine take in more air, which can help it run stronger than a two-barrel setup.
The Turbo-Hydramatic 400 is a classic GM automatic transmission. “Numbers matching” here means the transmission is the correct original one for that car, not a later swap.
“Numbers matching” means the important parts in the car are the original ones that came with it from the factory. Collectors like it because it usually means the car is more authentic.
The Lexus SC430 is a luxury convertible that uses a V8 engine and an automatic transmission. It also has a retractable hardtop roof, so it can switch between “open-top” and “closed-coupe” driving.
A “double overhead cam” engine uses two camshafts up in the engine head to control the valves. That helps the engine breathe better, and it’s part of why the car can feel smooth and responsive.
A retractable hardtop is a convertible roof made of hard material that can open and close. It’s usually quieter and more weather-resistant than a fabric soft-top.
The Jensen Interceptor is a classic British car from the 1970s, built to feel like a fast, comfortable long-distance cruiser. This particular 1974 example is powered by a large V8 and has some special equipment that makes it especially interesting to collectors.
MSD is a company that makes performance parts for engines. Here, they’re talking about an electronic fuel-injection system, which helps the engine get the right amount of fuel more precisely than older setups.
Disc brakes use a spinning metal rotor to slow the car down. “Power” means you don’t have to press as hard on the pedal, and “four wheel” means all wheels get disc brakes.
Term
Aerocorrect three speed automatic
This is the name of the automatic transmission setup in the car. The host is pointing out it’s not just any automatic—it’s a particular three-speed configuration.
“Faking cars” means making a car look like a rare or expensive one when it isn’t. People may try to trick buyers, and experts use tests to check whether the car is truly from the time it claims to be.
Steel analysis means testing the metal in a car to see what it’s really made of and how old it is. If the metal doesn’t match the car’s claimed year, it can be a sign the car was faked.
Suwannee, Tennessee is where the auction is happening. The hosts are pointing out that classic car auctions don’t always take place in the usual big collector areas.
The Alfa Romeo Milano is an Alfa Romeo sedan model. In the podcast, it comes up because an auction listing seemed unusual, with multiple cars mentioned. The conversation is mainly about the listing and why it caught attention.
A sunroof is a glass or metal panel in the roof that can open for ventilation and light. In this segment, the host describes a specific sunroof flap/turbulence-control behavior that can jam, requiring a careful workaround to avoid pinching fingers.
VIN is your car’s unique ID number, like a fingerprint. In the story, a software update caused the car to lose track of its own VIN, so it couldn’t be verified during inspection.
Term
DEQ
DEQ is an official inspection step where they verify your car’s information. In this case, the inspection couldn’t find the VIN, so the car had to be fixed before it could pass.
The Hyundai Elantra is a compact everyday car. The podcast mentions it because the speaker drives one regularly and talks about the mileage they’ve put on it. It’s used as an example of a normal, practical daily driver.
The engine light is a warning that the car’s computer noticed something it doesn’t like. Here it turned out to be a simple problem: the gas cap wasn’t tight.
“Diagnose” here means using the shop’s diagnostic tools (and the car’s fault codes) to identify what triggered the warning. The speaker notes the shop normally charges for diagnosis, but reduced the fee because they were a regular customer.
Car
Mercedes 250C
This is a classic Mercedes-Benz coupe. The point here is that even if you pick a nice old car, it can still break down while you’re traveling.
The Giulietta is an Alfa Romeo compact car. Some versions, like the Sprint Veloce, are more performance-oriented and are sought after by collectors. The podcast brings it up because a particular Giulietta Sprint Veloce is featured.
This is a famous older Alfa Romeo coupe. In the conversation, they’re basically asking whether the car is fully intact or if important parts are missing or hidden.
An engine number is the stamped/identified code used to track a specific engine. In classic-car listings, photos of the engine number help verify authenticity and support “numbers matching” claims.
Rockers are the lower panels along the sides of the car. They’re important because rust often starts there and can be hidden until you inspect closely.
The Giulia is an Alfa Romeo sedan, meaning it’s a passenger car with a trunk. Some versions are made to be more performance-focused than typical sedans. The podcast mentions it because there are multiple Giulia variants, including “Super” models.
This is an Alfa Romeo Giulia Super, a classic Italian sedan. The host is saying some cars have Weber carburetors (a specific fuel system), and that changes the car’s setup and how people might restore it.
Weber usually means a classic-style carburetor brand. It’s part of how the engine mixes fuel and air, so it can affect how the car runs and what kind of tuning it needs.
The Alfa Romeo 164 is a specific older Alfa sedan. The hosts are using it as an example of the kinds of Alfa cars that show up in their auction stories.
Place
Sawani International Airport
Sawani International Airport is mentioned as the meeting point for jets before the group drives trucks to transport the cars. For collectors and auction participants, airports like this often function as practical logistics hubs when moving vehicles in bulk.
LIVE
This is the Classic Automall Show.
Broadcast from the studios inside the Classic Automall in Morgantown, Pennsylvania.
Just one hour west of Philadelphia at Pennsylvania Turnpike Exit 298.
Featuring nearly 1,000 classic vintage and barred fine vehicles for sale under one climate controlled roof.
Now, here's your host, Classic Automall President and the man with all the toys, Stuart Howden.
Welcome show number 245.
Congratulations.
There's no reference of anything.
Is there any car that's a 245?
No.
Okay.
240Z.
I didn't even think about 245Z.
We always try to figure our car references with our oddball numbers or with our amount of cars in inventory.
So, I'll let JR go first.
How many cars in inventory right now?
I'm going to go with, it's been lousy weather.
747.
Wow.
Wow.
It really went low.
Just facing bankruptcy.
I did walk around today and there's plenty of room for more.
So, bring your cars.
Yes, please do.
We've had a good week of consignment.
Oh, good.
I'm going to say 785.
779.
So, we're climbing in the right direction though because last week we had less.
We're going in the right direction and the weather is starting to cooperate a little bit better.
And we'll hope that that continues because we'd like to keep paying the bills.
Absolutely.
And that's how it works.
We sell the car, pay the bills.
Sell the car, pay the bills.
Business 101.
Check to check.
Is that what you're saying?
That's exactly right.
So, joining us via Zoom this morning, this fine, lovely Pennsylvania weather morning is Mr.
Trey Ducey.
Trey, good morning.
Good morning, Stuart.
How are you?
I'm doing well, man.
Good to see you again.
Last time we saw you was at the, where was that?
Oh, at Ross Myers Place.
Yeah, at that place.
That was a fun event.
Isn't that cool?
That is such a cool place.
What a place.
If anyone gets the chance, you have to make it there.
Yeah.
If you beg, borrow, steal, join a club, do whatever you got to do.
Mostly, I don't think they're open generally to the public.
I think it's mostly if you're in a club or some kind of group that's coming that they'll
open up for you.
And certainly worth of the price admission, which is zero.
Exactly.
It's worth a trip.
No matter, you know, find a club.
Like you said, you got to make it there.
Yeah.
And of course, that was the weekend honoring Bruce Meyer, the famed California collector
who's got an amazing collection of cars and is an amazing guy.
And the nicest guy you've ever met in your entire life.
Truly the nicest guy.
We've had a family connection with him for decades, right when he started getting into
cars.
And what he's done with the Peterson out there in California is truly world-class.
I mean, it is unbelievable.
It's not easy.
You know, you're involved with the Simeone here in Philadelphia, which is a world-class
museum on its own.
But it is not an easy business to be in, even if it's not profit.
It's not easy.
It's never easy.
You always have to keep, you know, evolving, keep up with the pace of modern, you know,
please all generations and, you know, try not, try not fall out of the other zeitgeist.
Well, that's, you know, that's the thing.
I mean, you got to honor your past, but you better be thinking about the future.
Because if you don't, then you're going to find yourself sitting there with an empty
building and, you know, nobody coming to see it.
And that's, it's a shame because, listen, I always, you know, listen, what's going on
with the Philadelphia Conqueror, which we'll talk about here in a minute, you're on the
selection committee of, is that they're looking to take the Conqueror, not completely radically
change it, just change a little bit of the feel instead of going for pre-war cars and
Duesenbergs and Packards and things like that.
It's 1960s and newer, which I think is, is an important part of the hobby that we better
recognize or we're again going to have an empty building.
Absolutely.
I mean, you see these great concourses out there and this isn't to say that they need
to change in any, you know, means, but the pebbles of the world focusing on pre-wards,
I think they've had maybe one or two post-war best in shows.
So yeah, we're just putting a little bit more of a modern spin on the Conqueror.
It's still going to be what people know and love, but bringing some, bringing some youthfulness
into the, into the show field.
And you and Brett, who's the president, certainly bringing the youthfulness side to us, old
guys.
So we appreciate that.
You know, you balance this out.
It makes this average age of, you know, about 40.
So we're good.
That's right there.
Perfect.
I like that.
So June 6th and the 7th is the date of the Philadelphia Conqueror and it's going to be
held at nothing short of an amazing venue.
And don't get me wrong, the venue before was great at the Simeon, but it just didn't
lend itself well to grow an event because of the limitation of space and size and all
that.
Exactly.
I mean, the Simeon is a great place, great car museum, but to hold the Conqueror, you
know, you want to be outside, you want to be in the fresh air, you want to be on the
lawn and Union League National has given us a beautiful place at the Liberty Hill
course.
So we're really excited about it and want to see everyone there.
And they're fully engaged in it too.
I mean, it's not as if they're like just renting you the space and, you know, hope
the check doesn't bounce.
I mean, they're really, they're really engaged in making this work and looking at this and
a long term status.
Absolutely.
I mean, we're already talking about future years, talking about renovations, how we can,
you know, help incorporate this show into the Union League and vice versa.
So there's lots we're already planning.
You know, we've got our site set on many shows here to come in the future.
So we're excited.
Well, and you have a great feeder event with the Mainline Cars and Coffee that certainly
not many people have the luxury of having that as a way to get the word out of what
you're doing.
And to make people realize that a Conqueror is not stodgy and stuck up and snobby, it's
a fun car event.
Just like every other car event, it just happens to be higher in cars.
Exactly.
We're here to have fun.
We, like you said, with Mainline Cars and Coffee, Fred Mesra, who is also the president
of that, as well as the Conqueror here, has put together an unbelievable community of
people in the greater Philadelphia area.
He's averaging over 3,000 cars per month at his cars and coffee.
So, you know, taking that enthusiasm, spinning it up into the Philly Conqueror and raising
money for a great charity.
That's kind of what we're all about.
Yeah.
We just love cars.
We love helping people.
I asked Brett last week when he was on the show.
I said, when are you going to get a real job?
He said, I hope never.
I hope he never gets a real job, too, because we're having too much fun doing this stuff.
Exactly right.
And he's good at it.
So, I mean, there's a difference between doing something and then doing something right.
And he's done a great job of managing.
Not a difficult thing to manage.
You've got a bunch of guys with cars who want to show off how loud and how much it'll do
this and that and perform, and you can't do that on the streets of Philadelphia, or you're
going to have a little bit of a problem.
So, he's been able to manage that and continue to grow the event, which gives us great hope
that the Philadelphia Concorde will, in this next phase, grow into that as well, too.
Yeah.
We really have been thinking about this, what we'll call it, a rebirth of the Philadelphia
Concorde.
It was around for a while at the Simeon Museum, founded by the doctors of Philadelphia, trying
to raise money for cool cars for kids, which is the charity we support.
It got to be a little bit too much.
The Simeon has lots of things on its plate, and Brett was asked to help take it over,
and I'm continuing to fundraise for the charity, and that's really what we've done.
So, we've revitalized it.
We've brought in a bunch of new great people.
I mean, if you just go to our website and click on our team, you'll see just an absolute
hit list of the names you want to see when you're talking about a Concorde, Masters of
Ceremony being Bill Rothermell.
Who's amazing.
Let's talk about Greenwich, talk about Emilio, he does it all.
We've got Tim McNair being our Chief Judge, and I point him as the Detailer of the Stars.
He does it all.
So, we've got Toby Ross and Mike Tilson, who, if you know anything about cars in this
area, and Ratner Hunt, they're the people to have.
Absolutely.
Well, and they recognize that although Ratner Hunt is considered one of the top concords
in the country, it is a different animal than what we're talking about here for the Philly
Concord.
And I say Philly.
In Philadelphia, I try to be, not to say Chevy and Chevrolet.
But it's, I think that it's one of those things that the Philadelphia Concord is going
to grow because, based on this new location, based on the involvement of the people that
understand the Concord world, but it may be just a little bit of a different take on
it, which is, you know, it's the thing that people are doing these days, and it's the
things that seem to be the most successful.
It really is.
Yeah, but we're looking to grow.
We love working with the Ratner guys, you know, like we're focused year to year on different
countries of origin.
So when we get something that doesn't necessarily fit, we say, hey, look, there's a great show
right here.
There's a great show there.
Sure.
It's a car community.
We want to all help each other out.
And that's, that's, you know, what we've been doing.
Yeah.
I think that if it ever stops becoming that, then it stops becoming fun, and then it stops
becoming something I even want to do, you know, I'm in it as a business, but, but the
hobby eclipses the business side of it a hundred percent.
I'd do this if I wasn't getting paid, you know, I'm in the same boat.
This is not my day job.
I do it.
I do pull long hours at night just to work on it.
It's for fun and as a hobby.
So we, you know, it's, it's an obsession and a good one at that.
Yeah, it absolutely is.
And you're a third generation obsession, right?
I am.
I am a third generation obsession.
All three generations are still with us.
So fortunately we're, we're still moving and grooving and love this car stuff.
So your grandfather got started collecting cars in what year, what time frame was that?
Back in the sixties.
Yeah.
He, he got his first start.
He was at one of the first ever races at Bridgehampton.
Wow.
His good friends dad said, Hey, let's go to this race.
And this was before it was a road, you know, it was literal road course through the streets
of Bridgehampton fell in love with, with road racing.
And it was history ever since started with an MG jump to a Morgan.
Just one of the next best, fastest race cars we could go turn laps and it's been 60 years
of a great hobby.
Sure.
And your dad's into it as well too.
Being a third generation car guy, I mean, that's ingrained in your life.
I mean, I can imagine that cars in your family's collections have names.
They've named the cars, right?
Yeah.
I mean, we've gone through a myriad of cars and it's our, our saying as a family is cars
drive us.
We don't drive cars, right?
Cause they've taken us everywhere imaginable and even places unimaginable.
Sure.
Well, you said your granddad at Bridgehampton before it was an actual road course.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, we've been doing this forever.
It's, it's, it's hard to look back at things that have happened in the past and not find
a connection.
Right.
You know, it's, it's, it's been an obsession.
We, I think my grandfather was at the second ever race at Lime Rock Park, you know, it
just doesn't stop.
Right.
Right.
And do you have a favorite in the collection?
I get asked this question far too frequently and it's very difficult to answer it.
It really depends on the day.
It depends on, on how I'm feeling, but if I had to give one that the raw emotion of
the 612 can am car that we have, it's the only Ferrari purpose built can am car in existence.
Um, you know, six liter engine pushing over 600, almost 700 horsepower to the wheels and
weighs 1800 pounds.
Right.
Exactly.
It's a, it's a death trap in and of itself.
But you know, when you, when you learn how to tame the beast, it's quite fun.
And, and is it just an, I mean, the power's got to be off the charts.
I mean, do you think hypercars are fast?
Those things were stupid fast.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, the whole purpose of can am was there are no rules, right?
You know, it's got to have two seats.
I think they made it asymmetrical at one point, but it's just go as fast as possible.
Um, we, we, you know, we don't push them as hard anymore, but we will get them out, exercise
and make sure they run, go up and down the driveway and you'll be, you'll be in third
gear at 3000 RPM and spin up the rear wheels just because it just wants to go.
He wants to go.
Absolutely go.
And of course, you know, getting parts for those cars probably isn't easy, although
I guess there's other outlets for parts these days.
I guess 3D printing has some factor in it as well to that, you know, something that's
unobtainium that you say, okay, but we can make this little part here with, you know,
whatever.
It's, it has gotten exceedingly difficult.
You know, it's, um, of many years ago, we had an issue with a water pump on, on the
said car.
And, um, when you have a magnesium block, they don't really last well with water.
So, um, we had to go, you know, overseas, find new aluminum housings for the water pumps.
And, um, it takes a whole network of people, but when you've been doing it for as long
as we have, fortunately you do have quite an extensive one.
And the chase is part of the fun too, right?
Now that's, uh, that's kind of, you know, the chase, whether to buy the car or to buy
the part or to find the, the right piece for it.
That's, that's part of the fun as well.
It's absolutely part of the fun.
It's meeting the people, jumping from connection to connection, you know, country to country.
It never changes.
I mean, we found Ferrari engines in Alaska for cars.
We've gone all over the world, um, looking for these parts and talking to people.
It's, um, like I said, it all ties back to them driving us.
Because if we didn't have this hobby, we'd, you know, be lowly farmers here in, in
well, everybody I've met, the family history that's from this part of the world
at all farmers, it was all, this was all farmland.
But, you know, uh, looking at the cars, when you're driving a car like that, can
you feel, does the history seep into your pores?
I mean, is it just, can you feel whatever that car did or didn't do over the years?
Yeah.
I mean, you get a real connection.
I mean, you, you sit in these cars and, and the car I'm talking about here is, is
this six, right?
Right, right.
Um, and you sit in the seat and you're like, this is the same seat Chris
Amon sat in and ran it in period.
I mean, Formula one driver, you know, the Tasman series driver, can't
him driver, who's, who's a Ferrari extraordinaire.
So you're like, I'm sharing seat cushions with Chris Amon.
This is, this is pretty cool.
And it, it never gets old.
And I've lived my whole life around these cars.
I've been very fortunate to do so, but every time I sit in one of these cars,
I'm like, it's, it's still got it.
And, and I love that a guy like Chris Amon is not famous, famous.
He's famous car famous.
You know, he's not Jay Leno.
He's not Letterman.
He's not one of these guys that you saw on television every night.
But for those of us in the car world, it's as cool to, uh, about him as
that anybody that, no matter how famous, Paul Newman is great.
But so is Chris Amon equally as great.
Absolutely.
I mean, back in the day, they didn't have drag to survive, right?
So it wasn't, you know, socialized as it is today.
And, um, to be, to be quote famous in the car world, you had to be fast.
That's what it took.
And Chris Amon was certainly that.
Yeah.
And you don't want to get fined by throwing your Halo headset onto the track.
Exactly.
That was kind of, uh, an interesting turn last week on the race.
Right.
You know, that formula one is hard to be a fan of because they
start to damn early some days.
I can't, I can't do those early hours.
I think I got a DVR, a compressed record.
Yeah.
Thank God for modern technology when it comes to something like, oh, the Chinese
race, it starts at 3 a.m.
I'm like, can we not, you know, figure this?
It's like basketball games or the Super Bowl when it starts at 9 30 at nine,
about 10 30, I'm ready for bed.
It's like games only two more hours to go.
Yeah.
Those West Coast games, they keep me up way too late at night.
I loved when I lived on the West Coast, Monday night football came on at 6 p.m.
It was great.
I was home.
I was in bed by 9 30.
So fantastic.
So you have a real gig too, uh, as a financial private client
advisor, uh, with a financial firm.
And, uh, that's got to be interesting in its own.
We were talking about the stock market and how, uh, Ferrari just came out
with their new electric car, thud and, uh, how the stock market dropped.
But, you know, it must be fun advising people on wealth and wealth management
and where to put your money and where to, to do that.
Is it, is it, I mean, it's not as enjoyable as the car business, I'm sure,
but it's got to be very rewarding.
It really is.
And, um, the fun part about it is the interplay between finance and cars.
Right.
Cause, um, as a private client advisor, I work at Rockwood wealth management
here in New Hope, Pennsylvania.
Um, I've, I've kind of become the de facto car guy at the office, right?
You know, people, yeah, you know, even if they work with another advisor at the
firm, they come to me with car questions.
Um, they come to our CEO, John Ogblik, who's a huge car guy.
Um, and you know, they're like, you know, what do you think?
What do you want to do about this?
And, and just yesterday you were talking about the launch of the new Ferrari.
I had a client text me a picture of the ticker race, you know,
Ferrari's ticker and say, what are we doing here?
So, um, it's, it's always fun to be working with these clients in every
aspect of life.
And, and when that interplay of, of working cars and hobby all come together,
it's, it's a real treat.
Yeah.
A lot of wealthy guys have car collections and, uh, you know, whether
it's older, you know, American cars or whether it's Ferraris or, or Lamborghinis
or, you know, race cars from the fifties and sixties.
And so it's nice to have somebody in the firm.
I'm sure they welcome the fact that you can, you're the go-to guy that can
say, Hey, this is what you need to do.
Or this is one, I mean, do you get into the buy, sell, hold thing much?
Or, you know, you tell a guy, Hey, you should hang on to this one.
This one you should probably let go.
Or, or does, uh, does that kind of not factor into it at all?
No, I, we don't do too much of that.
We leave that for the, uh, for the true experts that do that as a, as a profession.
Um, we'll, I mean, I'm, I am always happy to recommend cars.
I'm always happy to make a connection to help buy cars.
When you're, when you're in this hobby, you end up meeting a lot of
dealers, um, of modern stuff.
So it, it always works out.
Um, not necessarily buy, sell, hold, but we're always, um, at least encouraging
to buy when a client, you know, right, the funds and, and has the desire.
Well, because I mean, if you look at some late model stuff that just goes, you
know, a Porsche Carrera T, uh, comes to mind, or any of the, the newer Ferraris
that the, you know, the bespoke Ferraris that they're building, uh, all of a
sudden in value double in one day, it's just hard to believe.
And, and you see that happen, but it's still not easy to predict, even though
you know that it may or may not happen with a particular car.
It's, it's almost impossible to predict.
I mean, we all saw what happened with me, come back to me and the Bachman
collection, like I think that it's blew everyone's mind.
It wasn't even, it wasn't even on the radar of possibility, $18 million for an
Enzo.
Like, I think we had some visitors over and I was live streaming on my phone
while we were walking through the car house.
And I was, my jaw just kept going through the floor.
I was like, what is going on here?
Cause that car, probably the pre-sale estimate on the $11 million Enzo
would have been what, 56
Yeah, nothing crazy.
Yeah.
I mean, it's, and it just went through the roof.
Well, and that's the one thing is, you know, trying to predict why it did that.
I don't think that's an unanswerable question, you know?
It is, but when I've been in this hobby, question, love for the game for a long time.
And the way I like to describe the, the automotive appreciation in terms of value
is, is like a tidal wave coming through generations, right?
As, as generations get money, they want to buy the cars that, that they envied and
had on their walls as kids.
Sure.
So for a while, that was, that was people that grew up in the 60s wanting to buy
those 60s Ferraris.
They had come into money in the 80s, 90s, early 2000s through the dot com bubble.
And we're spending scads of money, $70 million plus on a GTO.
Now we see that money moving younger and younger and with, with all this tech and
AI going on.
So that, that tidal wave has moved up exponentially into the 90s, into the,
you know, early 2000s of the Enzo's, the F 50s, the F 40s of the world.
So, you know, it's really, it's funny, like a 288 GTO almost seems mundane compared
to the stuff that comes out nowadays.
And it's still a cool car.
Guarantee you get in one today and you'd still say, wow, this is a hell of a car.
I mean, the fact that I'm so disappointed, I'm not disappointed.
I'm just, I wish that car had gotten the limits true potential in, in what was it?
Group B rally design before, like that would have been unbelievable to see
Ferrari doing some rallying in a, in a 288 GTO.
I love rallies, rallies are so cool.
That's the, I wish that was happened.
I wish there was more stuff around here that they did.
And I think there's, you know, there's like little niche markets of people
that do rallies through the woods and dirt trails and stuff.
But you got to like the spectators as much as you got to like the cars at the
rallies, those guys have no fear.
None at all.
I mean, they're hanging out in front of the cars.
They've got bonfires going around on the side of a road.
I mean, they're, yeah, they're integral to the whole thing.
It's incredible.
And rally cars in and of themselves have become quite collectible.
Or, you know, the launches and the, and the Pugos and the ones that are just
an amazing, amazing subset of cars that these little tiny cars have, you know,
800 horsepower in them.
And, you know, I don't, I can't be the, there's no way I could be the navigator.
I, I, there's no, I do not have no trust.
I don't trust anybody that much.
Dude, I can barely ride passenger seat in a road car.
Being a passenger in a rally car is not going to happen for me.
It almost is the same as like when you go to, I'll pull up next to a car at a
parking lot at a Walmart or something and open my door.
And there's a suburban next to me and a late 80s suburban.
And I'll go, well, there's some rust around over there.
And I wonder what's going on.
That wheel looks a little out of Cambridge.
I'm like, what, what am I doing here?
It's when you, when you drive cars as much as I do, you just can't wrap your head
around someone else behind the wheel.
It's exactly right.
So, so coming up at the concor in June, the theme is Italian.
I guess theme is the best word I could use for it.
It will be mostly Italian cars, correct?
Correct.
We're focused on Italian, but we don't, we don't discriminate, right?
If you get a great car nominated, we'd love to have it on our show field.
And that really speaks to more of our modern cars, right?
It's what super hypercar classes.
We have a few Conex eggs coming.
We have, you know, some, some other modern non-Italian variants that will be on the
show field, but year over year, we do focus on a specific country of origin.
And like you said this year, we're all in on Italy.
Yeah.
So tell me some of the highlights of some of the cars that have personally got
your attention that are coming.
I mean, I mean, like we talked about it at the top of the show, the
Simeon Museum is bringing their 250 Testerosa, a pontoon-fendered car.
Coined as, you know, one of the first, if not the first pontoon-fendered car,
the only removable nose Testerosa.
I mean, it is a great, great car.
And we're really fortunate that the Simeon Museum is bringing that out for us.
Myself personally with my family are bringing our 1965-66, 365 P2-3
Ferrari prototype car that ran Le Mans.
Hold on, I got to write all that down.
There's a lot of nomenclature there.
The P3s.
It takes a while.
These cars continue to develop.
But as, I mean, for the, for the layman that might not know all those numbers,
think about the movie Ford versus Ferrari.
It was one of the cars represented in that movie racing against those GT40s
back in 65 and 66.
So it's got great history.
You know, we're excited to have it on the show field.
On top of that, we've got Ferrari 250 TDF coming, you know, from, from out in this way.
That's the blue and white one, right?
That we saw it.
It's white with a red stripe.
Oh, right. Yeah.
And when I say, I should, I should specify, because I'm an old head.
TDF, we're talking about an original TDF.
From, you know, from back in the, you know, back in the days in the 50s.
So we got a bunch of great cars coming as someone who is obsessed with vintage
Ferrari racing, you know, that, that specific class stands out to me, right?
We've got our, our Ferrari race car class that we're really excited about.
On top of, on top of these great race cars we have coming.
We have a contender for last year's Audrain Best in Show showing up.
The 250 Speciale, I'm coming from Leiden Restaurations.
Beautiful car. I saw it.
Yeah. A stunning car.
I was in the top four and I was fortunate enough to work with that car at
Audrain last year.
So, I mean, the heavy hitters just don't stop.
We're celebrating 60 years of mirror this year.
So we've got a bunch of different mirrors coming, you know,
almost every color of a rainbow.
And they had some great colors for the mirrors.
They did. Those cars are great.
You know, the whole run of them all the way up to the SVs and different colors.
They're, they're elegance.
They're, they're probably my favorite Lamborghini if I had to pick one.
But, I mean, as a whole, we've got, we've got so much great stuff coming.
I think we've got over 80 cars confirmed for the show field right now.
And we're really looking forward to putting on a great spectacle for everyone.
And 80 to 100 is about the right number for a Conqueror.
Any more than that, you got to have too many judges.
You got to have two. It's too much. It's just too much.
Exactly. And on top of, of logistics, we want to let these cars breathe, right?
We have this great facility.
We want them to be, you know, want them to stand alone, show off their curves,
their lines, their, you know, their, their luscious hips.
So we love it. 80 to 100 is perfect for us.
We've got a great judging team of 20 to 25 people.
We want to be, you know, considerate of everyone's time
and be able to spend a lot of time with all of these cars and all of these owners.
So that's our sweet spot and we're, we're looking forward to having everyone.
Well, and the stories that you hear are almost as
in as fun as looking at the cars.
I mean, some of the stories on some of these cars and the, and the amount of
knowledge that guys have about these particular cars, it's amazing.
I'm sure you could go to your grandfather and point out a car that he's
owned for 50 years and he'd tell you more about it than you'd ever care to know.
Absolutely. I mean, the stories never stop.
But we have friends and family over all the time to take a look at the cars
and we'll go through the car house, he'll tell a story and I'll be like,
I've been through this for a thousand times and I haven't heard that one yet.
Yeah. You know, it's funny how that is.
I mean, it's like you have the luxury of getting to be in a time where you can
probably record your grandfather and your father and talk and learn stuff and
keep that perpetuation going because my grandmother used to tell me stories
about our family and I didn't pay any attention. I was, you know, I was a kid,
I didn't care. Now, I would, you know, I would kill to have that moment to be able
to turn a tape recorder on and say, let's talk grandma.
It's, it's awesome. I love that. I love getting to hear all these stories.
And we didn't begin digitizing some of his, his photography, you know, archive
from 35 millimeter film to, you know, to the updating into modern world.
So getting to see these photos from, you know, Spa 1961 or, you know, whatever
he's doing throughout the generations is, is really incredible.
And you've also got another great photographer involved with the concor,
and that is our friend, Michael Furman, who his work is off the chart. I mean, it's
absolutely. Michael sits on our selection committee and I wasn't,
I certainly wasn't going to leave him out here today before we hopped off the call,
but he's unbelievable. He just shot our, the Simi owns the 250 TR for our event.
So, you know, he continues to be a great supporter pulling in cars. And yeah,
if anyone hasn't had the opportunity to learn about Michael Furman, go check out
his website and find him somewhere at a car show because he's everywhere and he's a character.
Yeah, he really is. And his knowledge of these cars and his ability to display them in a way
that you wouldn't see if you were standing there beside the car. I mean, he, he shows a car in a
way. There's some of the, like the, the book that he did badass and just the rear end of the cars.
I mean, it's a, a look that you don't always see very often yet. It's,
it's so artistic. I mean, the engine, the tubes, the spaghetti of the exhaust system,
the whole rear end, the whole everything. It's, it's a view that only he could capture,
even though it's right there for us to see. His eye for detail is incredible. And I've,
we've been fortunate enough to have, I don't know, two or three cars of ours shot by Michael
Furman in the past. And his approach to it is unbelievable. I mean, he'll set it up on the
light box. It will take a copious amount of time to shoot this one car. But, but when you see the
final product, you're like, Oh my God, I get it. You know, his famous, you know, what he likes to
say is that he's not a photographer. He's an artist and he paints with light. Right. You know,
it's, it's unbelievable what he can do with a lens. And I'm always surprised when we talk about
Michael and his style of shooting is, is how far away he is from the car that he is. I mean,
the first time I went to, he was doing a shoot in a skip act and he was like 80 feet from the car.
I'm like, and it's dark between the car and the camera. And I'm thinking, how does this work?
And of course it works spectacularly. I mean, it doesn't get any better, right?
Yeah. I remember, I remember when I was a young kid, we went and dropped the car off for a shoot
with Michael and he had rented out an entire airplane hangar down at the train airport because
he needed scads of space. I can't remember, you know, what collection he was shooting at that
time and we just dropped one off. But yeah, he, he's world class and does it in his own unique way.
So we briefly touched on the, the launch today being July or July, May 20th. What is the date?
The 27th? Yeah. May 27, 2026. So we can talk about the yesterday drop of the Ferrari electric car.
You know, Ferrari to me, the identity of Ferrari is the sound, the sensation, the mechanical drama,
the clicking, you know, the manual trans, the gated shifter. How are they going to, I don't,
I don't get it. I just, maybe I'm too old to understand these things.
No, I mean, I'm candidly, I'm 24 and I don't understand it either. So I don't think it's
an age thing. I, I mean, I understand the pressures, you know, from those that be,
especially the European Union saying, you know, they need to produce, you know,
some sort of electric vehicle to stay in compliance, but Ferrari should be able to do that in a manner
that is Ferrari. And what they produced was, I've heard it, you know, akin to a computer mouse.
Like it doesn't, it's, it's not a pretty vehicle. It's not something that I think people are going
to get behind, but knowing, you know, Ferrari, it's, it's going to be something that gets sold and
sure. Yeah, they'll hopefully it's a one off that we don't have to go back to.
Yeah, they'll certainly sell them. There's no question about it because there's enough people
out there. I mean, it, it does sort of look like a Prius. And it's interesting because the designer
is Johnny Ives who designed the iPhones and a lot of the Apple products. And it sort of makes sense
when you know that the rest of the story, so to speak. Yeah, I mean, and they did, they're,
they're trying to do unique things here and they're like bringing in Johnny Ives and bringing in that,
that different side of design. And I think it's, it's been interesting to see them step away from
Penn and Farina and how they have then approached design, right? Harkening back to all of their
old designs with Penn and Farina. Right. You know, the 296 GTB looking like an LM.
Right. Harkening back to the Daytonas of the world with their 12th Cilindry. And so they're,
they're trying to pull on these old strings, but at the same time, I don't know, I'm just,
it's not what it used to be for me at least. I know. And then, you know, that's, that's,
you'll learn that as you get older, like the rest of us that you go, boy, that's not the way it used
to be. That, that, that Arby's roast beef sandwich doesn't taste like it used to taste in the 70s
for, because they can't afford to make it taste like that nowadays. Right. But you know,
the Italian car, I mean, you know, you'd mentioned Penn and Farina, but there's also Bertone,
there's Zagato, Carosseria. I mean, there's all these great designers of Italian beautiful cars.
And it's just fun to, fun to be able to see, you know, 80 or 100 of them in this wonderful
setting that we're going to see in a couple of weeks. It's great. And it's, speaking of
designers, I mean, we just had a car nominated, a 212 inter that was re-bodied by Drogo back in
period. So, I mean, you've got so much history on the show field, so much parking back to Italy.
I mean, we're going to be transported to, to Maranello here on a golf course in Philadelphia.
It's going to be, it's going to be quite fun. Have you been to Maranello? I have. I've been a few
times and it is quite a treat. I mean, that is like auto alley. It's mecca for anyone who is
obsessed with cars. The things that have come out of there from Lamborghini, Ferrari, Stengilini,
Fiat, Ducati, like it just doesn't stop. Donny, you know, it keeps going. And I've been fortunate
enough to tour the Ferrari factory and their Classic K division and to see the work they do.
And it's, it's unbelievable. I know we all, we all, you know, aren't fans of what's going on right
now with their new release of the, of the loose or luce, whatever they want to call it. But as a
whole Ferrari, still Ferrari, they're going to be, you know, they're going to always going to hold
the spot in my heart. And it's an unbelievable grant. And they're not going to stop making
combustion engine cars for now. So that there's, that's the good news part of it. And for the people
that have to have the electric car, then good for them. At least they've got something that they can,
you know, feel good about, you know, it's funny. It was in, when I was in LA, just back in January,
it was funny. Either it's either, you know, it's either a Tesla or a G wagon. There's no in between.
You're either, you know, into the electric cars or you're so anti electric cars. It's not even funny.
So I see this cars, if it means that Ferrari can keep producing those crazy V8, V12 cars,
I'm more than happy to settle for, for a luce, but it won't, I won't, one won't end up in my
garage to say, but, but so long as Ferrari keeps doing, you know, what they've been doing for the
last 70 plus years, you know, it's, and, you know, and I'm okay with hybrids and, and acceleration
aids and, you know, have an electric motor on a rear wheel and things like that. That doesn't
bother me so much. It's, you know, it's the, the side of the fact that you're not going to hear
that sound. And I'm sure they can create it if they wanted to, but I, I don't, I don't see that.
I, I have no problem with hybrid technology, with electric battery chargers. I think it's great.
I think it's great for racing world. I mean, when you look at what Ferrari's doing in the WEC
and the World Endurance Championship with that 499P winning them all for the last three years.
Yeah. When they haven't won, and they hadn't won in what, how many years? Like almost forever.
I think it was 58 years since they had last won in 50 years since they had last competed as
a factory in the top division of Le Mans in 2023 when they won it all. And I was so excited and
fortunate to be there hanging on the fence when that, when that 499P crossed the line in 2023.
That was, that was a cool experience. That might have to be a nirvana moment. Absolutely. So
it was hanging on the fence with dad, you know, at Le Mans, you know, that's like, that truly is
our Mecca. You know, Le Mans is, is everything to us owning a Le Mans car, you know, being sports car
fans. It's, it's one of a kind. Which begs me, my last question I'll ask. And it's my favorite
question I ask every week to my guest. And what is your daily driver? Oh, this is a great question.
And I'm going to caveat it a little. You can caveat, we can, we'll caveat over here. For a,
for a while, I had picked up a new Toyota GR86. Oh, that was a cool. And it was a hoot. I got the,
I don't know what they call it, the premium package. It was a manual. beautiful blue.
I'd put a catback exhaust on it. So it was still crucible, but it sounded good when I got on it.
Right. Lowered it a little bit, made it look a little sporty. That was a hell of a car to drive.
I loved it. And I was sitting at a stoplight the day before graduation. I was driving back to college
and got rear-ended. Oh my gosh. It was devastating. I loved that car. And then I stepped out of,
you know, college world, stepped into the, into the real world. So you got a Cadillac de Ville?
I have a, I have a three minute commute from, from home to office. And we had a four series BMW
sitting in the driveway. So I drive up, I think it's a 435i Gran Coupe BMW. Oh yeah. It does the
job. It's fun. It's comfortable. And given that I have a three minute commute, I don't miss, I
don't miss out. I understand. I have a 30 second commute, literally. And I still warm my car up and
get the heated seats going and on. My neighbors just go, what is wrong with him? Something must
not be right with him. So, so anyway, we'll put up the website on the, on the screen for everybody
to see. It's philadelphiaconcorp.com and June 6th and 7th of 2026. And we're really, really excited.
This is going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be so much fun. We're really excited. We've been
putting in countless hours to make this event truly world-class. I mean, we've got people
truly from all over the world coming in for this event, not only to show cars, but to judge cars.
We've got members from Gerardo & Co. who are Ferrari Extraordinaires over in England. Sure.
We've got everyone pitching in to make this event really special, including a whole bunch of our
partners, right? Like, you know, Chubb Insurance is partnering with us. Meekum is partnering with us.
The list goes on. RDS Group from Philadelphia is partnering with us. Classic Automall.
Classic Automall. They're involved, I've heard. Yeah. And they're going to be on the show field
Yes, we are. If I can get that big rig up there, right?
We're going to make it happen one way or another. So we're really thankful for all of our partners
and especially Classic Automall for having us on the show here today. We're excited. Like we said,
everything we're doing here today is to raise money for cool cars for kids. It's 100% towards
the charity to help kids with rare genetic diseases, you know, find a solution and help them,
you know, through life. So we're passionate about who we're raising money for and we're
passionate about how we're doing it through cars and through concours. So we're excited.
We hope to see you all there. Yeah, I couldn't get any better than that.
Trey Dusek, everybody, we'll be back with the Classic Automall show in just a couple of minutes.
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And we're back with the Classic Automall show, Classic Automall Studio, Morgantown PA. These
young kids today, I swear, they are so daggers. Are we ever going to have a Morgantown Concorde
to elegance, you think? Well, if we did, John Deere, we'd have to put it behind the Four Seasons
Morgantown or the Holiday Inn. Yeah, we could have a version of it. We have plenty of car shows here
at Classic Automall. You can check out the schedule on classicautomall.com, but none of them are
concourse events, but that's okay. None of them are concourse events. That would be funny, like
Concord du Farm. Well, it's almost Concord du Lemon. They do the exact opposite of a concourse.
Yeah. So, you know, that's kind of cool. Just ask. Studebakers, Ramblers, bring them in. Rambalon,
as Led Zeppelin just said. So, where did we sell cars last week? Where? Why, where it might be
Blake's Lee, Pennsylvania. Oh, I know where that is. Or it might be Chicago, Illinois. Or Mouton
Borough, New Hampshire. Or Tempierre, Finland. Or Canton, Georgia. Funny kind of thing there.
Papano Beach, Florida. Swan Point, Maryland. Milan, Michigan. Shreveport, Louisiana. Cascade,
Pennsylvania. Shreveport, Louisiana. There you go. That's what he said. So,
and Milan, Michigan for the detraitors out there. You know, we get your letters. It's
podcast at classicautomall.com. Yeah. You can certainly call and complain about the host.
But talk about how wonderful the guests are. Absolutely. Fantastic guests. So,
some of the new arrivals this week, the 1970 AMC AMX. It's got to be the shortest name for a car
ever. It is. That's so cool. Three letters. Six That's it. That's all you
need. That's all you need. Matador Redover Black, 48,874 actual miles. That's our long-term ownership.
But it's got an AACA senior first and a Grand National win. That's unusual for an AMX. I don't
think I've ever seen one with the AACA awards. It's got the correct 360 cubic inch 4 barrel
V8 and the correct Borg Warner T10 four speed manual transmission. This is a muscle car that
a lot of us growing up had no idea existed. Just ignored it. Didn't have any. I didn't even know it
existed. My dad was a Chevy guy. We had an AMC dealer in the big town next door and just never
even considered it. And I look at it and I go, man, that's a cool car. They are cool cars.
How did I miss that? You know, they were light and they were nimble for that era.
Two-seaters. And probably only $3,000. Everything was $3,000 back then. You know,
from 1969, the Coupe was $2,600 and the convertible was $2,790. So $190 you think, well,
that's nothing. Well, it wasn't nothing back then. A percentage of the sale. And then the Z28
option was probably another $200. Which is funny because the Z28 was just an option code.
And then all of a sudden it became the name of the car. And instead of 22 cents a gallon for gas,
yours, you know, buying premium gas at $0.25 a gallon. Oh, and that added up. Cut into your
whatever money. So other new arrivals, the 1964 Oldsmobile Cutlass F85 442 hard top,
ebony black over saddle, frame off restoration, rebuilt 330 cubic inch 4 barrel VA. Don't diminish
that engine. That's a nice engine. That whole car is just spectacular. It really is. I love that car.
A rebuilt 330, correct Muncie M20 four speed manual, 12 bolt posi axle, pretty flawless build.
It's hard to find much wrong with this car. I don't like to say flawless. I'm not a big,
I mean, I didn't know much about F85s, but when this one came in, I'm like, yeah, I could use that.
Pretty, pretty, pretty cool. So and one of 158 built. So wow. Another new arrival is the 1936 Ford
68 V8, a series, a deluxe cabriolet Washington blue over saddle, which is a great color.
Beautiful. High end restoration on this car, 221 cubic inch flathead V8,
three speed manual transmission. This is, you can dive into this paint job, dive riding,
dive riding, keep going all the way to the fathoms deep, as they say, fathoms deep and juice breaks.
What does that mean? What does it say? It said juice breaks. Is that a brand name? I don't remember
that. I don't remember that. There's something written in the description. I think it's a typo.
Might be a typo. So whoever's, whoever's checking my right. Yeah, Justin. Yeah. So other new arrivals,
the 1978 Buick Electra 225 Landau hardtop. Where do you see these? You just don't see them. You
don't. Although I'm looking for a 77 Buick Le Sabre because that's what my parents had and just
like it. My mom had a 74 Buick Le Sabre Luxus four door hardtop with a 455, but you could also get
the stage one for having that car. I don't think many people got that. Where are they? Where are
they all? I don't know where they went. Kind of joined the Buick Club of America to see any of
these things. I tell you, a neighbor when I was growing up had a 74 Buick Le Sabre Luxus convertible,
black with red tier, black top with 455. That's a lot of car. That's a heck of a car. Big old car.
We all had the Sabres on our street for some reason. A lot of Le Sabres. And an electris.
So this one is saffron over light buckskin. This has only got the rebuilt 350 cubic inch
four barrel V8. Numbers matching turbo hydromatic 400 three speed automatic transmission and this
smooth cruiser man. Long term ownership of this car that people owned it and cleaned and super clean.
Well maintained. Just a really, really cool car. And then a kind of a modern version of a luxury car
is the 22,002 Lexus SC430 convertible. Kind of a grand touring car. Black over saddle,
great color on that car. 89,000 actual miles, which is just getting broken in on a Toyota.
That's right. 4.3 liter double overhead cam V8. And it's got the five speed automatic transmission
and it's got some new timing belt, new brakes. This thing is so cool. They have a retractable
hard top. And even today, even with so many cars that have that out there, when you do a retractable
hard top in a parking lot at the grocery store, it still kind of attracts a crowd of people.
It's a good party trick. Yeah, it's a great party trick. So it's a beautiful car.
Beautiful car. The interiors on these are spectacular. I love these. They were designed
basically the Lexus went to the yachting world and started to have that, you know,
teakwood and different things that they make sense. That's why it became what it became.
And last but certainly not least, the 1974 Jensen interceptor three wide over black numbers
matching 440 cubic inch VA. Sounds all big old. It sounds like a two. Wow. It's got the MSD
atomic electronic fuel injection. No harm, no foul. Right. With doing that.
Aerocorrect three speed automatic, very rarely seen four wheel power disc brakes,
which is kind of unusual for 1974. But the Jensen interceptor, it was a cool car. It was talking
about a hidden Jim certainly was. So that's some of our new arrivals this week and where some of our
cars were sold. And when we return, oh, I can't forget, we've got an auction coming up. Yes.
June the 19th. Yeah. 2026. We're in. Yeah. I believe it's almost June now. It's May 27th. So,
you know, if you have a car, get it quick because we're we're filling up. We're going to probably
end up with about a hundred cars. And they're all getting added to the you got to check the website
every day because stuff's getting added. Not only not only is our regular retail inventory
increasing every day, but so is the auction side. And there's tabs to go to our website,
classicautomall.com, and you can see all those. So when we return, we'll be joined by our friend
Keith Martin, publisher of Sports Car Market Magazine. We'll see you in just a couple of minutes.
Pretty good.
Now, another classic automobile show with racing school namesake Skip Barber. So I gotta ask what
if any significant did the sticker on the Seinfeld refrigerator have with the school and you back
in the day? It was a nice surprise. Really? Yeah. Seinfeld was working in California and each time
he took some of his riders and they went as a company outing, but he was dead serious about his
driving. No question. And he is a real car guy. It was a big deal. And did you see a spike in business
the minute that sticker showed up on that refrigerator? We didn't ask him or pay him.
Somebody at work turned on the television set the night before and there was this.
It had to be helpful, but can't measure that. For more of this interesting interview with Skip
Barber Motorsports Hall of Famer and founder of the Skip Barber Racing School, check out Episode
179 from February of 2025 because if you haven't seen or heard it, it's new to you.
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more of the classic automobile show with your host Stuart Howden from our showcase studio
just inside the Classic Automall, Morgantown, Pennsylvania, Just Off Turnpike Exit 298.
And we're back with the Classic Automall show from the Classic Automall Studio,
Morgantown, the aforementioned Morgantown PA. Joining us via Zoom, Mr. Keith Martin,
publisher of Sportscar Market Magazine. Good morning, afternoon, evening, sir.
Good morning. Thank you for having me here today. Thank you for being back. I just got my new issue
of Sportscar Market Magazine with a very cool car on the cover. Very cool. The Flamin' Hot Cheetah.
I love it. The Cheeto. Does the orange stuff get on your fingers when you drive it? Or is it?
It comes with the package. It's inside the car. Gotcha. Those things are interesting to get in
and out of, to say the least. Well, it was an interesting but failed concept. Right, right.
But hugely valuable now. Look at this. This thing's brought $528,000.
That is not playing around money. And that's interesting because I don't think one had brought
nearly close to, maybe I'm wrong, close to that much prior, right? Well, this one had
pretty good history. There are a lot of fake Cheetos. Right, yeah. And you don't want the fake
Cheeto. It's just no good. Well, you want it, but not for $350,000. Right. This is exactly right.
So, you know, that's the thing with some of these cars that were kind of a little purpose built,
not a whole lot of production done, not a whole lot of great records kept of some of these
cars. It would be probably very easy to misrepresent one, I would like to say politely.
Well, do you know, in terms of faking cars, which is a whole different topic, there are people that
go down into the ocean to get shipwrecks from the period of the car they're trying to fake.
So, when they do a steel analysis of the car, the metal is from 1920, as is the fake car.
Right. Wow. And you know, they have that technology nowadays. That's pretty amazing.
They can tell what year the steel is from. So, that's pretty amazing. So, this week's blog is
Alpha's at auction. And we were just before we went on talking about how you find these oddball
type auctions in these oddball places, and you think, well, I'm going to go steal a bunch of
whatever XYZ fill in the blank. Never the case. Everybody else heard about it too,
and everybody else has got the same plan as you do. Well, I'm keeping this auction a secret
between you and me and the 25,000 people that got the email. Yeah. It's crazy.
31 Alpha Romeos in Suwannee, Tennessee. I haven't been there.
I didn't think that it was on your, you know, on Facebook they'll have, you know,
get five points for every place you've ever visited. Suwannee, Tennessee would probably
be nobody ever checked. You know, I've always been an Alpha guy, and when I came,
a subscriber sent me this auction listing, and it's got like the why question. Why does this guy
have four Alpha 164s? When I worked for the Ron Tonkin dealership, I sold Milano's, which were
very hard to sell because they're so weird looking. Right. But at least they were mechanically
competent. Right. The 164s, which were a handsome car, had unbelievable climate control problems,
electrical problems. They melted badly. They're very expensive to maintain,
and this guy has four of them. Yeah. How does that, I mean, and you got to wonder
where the guy, you know, was maybe reading car and driver road and track back in the day and saw a
road test on it and thought, oh, I'd like to have one of those one day, and then I ended up with
four of them in Suwannee, Tennessee. Suwannee. Yeah. So there's a room there. It's completely full
of Alpha O'Mail engines and transmissions. Now, Stuart, you and I both know for sure
that the only reason you would put an Alpha engine and transmission into a room is if it
were perfect, needed nothing, and you were just going to store, there's not a, none,
not one of those will be a good engine. No, not one of them. Maybe the sum of the parts will
equal a whole at some point in time. But I got to imagine in the Ron Tonkin days, when one of
those pulled up, you had to just be running high. If you're the service manager, you're like, oh,
God, here comes another one. What are we going to do? When I was selling 16 Milano's, what the
sales rep told me to do, he said, when you're working the sunroof, there's a little flap that
comes up to help keep the turbulence from coming inside the car. He said, but the little flap never
goes down right and the sunroof always jams. So you have to put down the driver's side window,
reach your arm up, push the little flap down and try not to get your fingers caught in the sunroof
as it shuts. And that's what you like to show a guy who's spending $30,000 on a car that he's
got. I know. Did you even bother, did you tell anybody then or did you just go, we didn't know
anything about that. I don't know how that happened. I've never heard of that happening before.
So this guy, I've been around Alphas for so long and I ran the Ferrari store that we sold
Alphas and Alphas has just been this up and down and up and down. We're here, we're gone,
we're here, we're gone. Well, let me put it this way. I would, if Alfa could build a car to Korean
standards, I'm all in. Yeah, I hear you. But I'm culturally, I'm not sure that the Italians are
capable of building a car to a Korean standard. Because they don't have to and they haven't had
to. I mean, Alfa, but you know, for any of these other guys didn't seem to really have to build
that standard. I think the mystique was almost the fact that they were troublesome and hard to
work with. And so what, if you, if that's your problem, then go buy something else. Go buy an
American car. We don't care. We don't want your business. You know, these things are going to
be temperamental and hard to work on and expensive to work on. And that's just the way it is. If
you don't like it, then tough. Well, the problem I see this time around, and I can see them on the
Facebook groups, is the way that dealers are going under. And you know, like with my Lotus,
the nearest Lotus Leaks, the nearest dealer is in Seattle, which is 180 miles away. Right. So
Lotus sent out an upgrade, upgrade for the chip in the car, which caused the chip to forget
what its VIN number was. So we go to DEQ to plug it in. And the guys say, your car has no VIN.
It doesn't exist. So, so we had to drive the car to Seattle to have them reprogram the VIN
so we could pass our own DEQ here. Well, didn't that just make you have a warm, fuzzy feeling
about it, right? Well, you know, the problem with that always, Stuart, is so you truck the car up
there, you drive it up, you get the thing fixed, and on the way home, the two other things that
we're waiting just come up. Just waiting for that moment, that perfect moment to fail you.
I am. I've got my daily drivers at 2001 Hyundai Elantran. It's, it's, I've got 12,000 miles on
after five years. It's been to the shop twice. Yeah. That engine light came on. I took it into
the shop yesterday and they said, well, it was a major problem. Your gas cap was loose.
Doesn't that make you feel like a car guy? Well, he said, normally we've got, we charge $200
to diagnose that, but we're going to knock it down to 50 for you. Just because we like you a lot.
Click, click, click. But I need my everyday car. I need a car that starts, runs, doesn't screw with
me. I call it like a golden retriever of cars. Absolutely. That big sweetie. It's a big sweetie
car. You know, that's, but that's true. A lot of us are like that. And especially as we get older,
yes, we love driving the old cars. Yes, we love tinkering around with them. Yes, we love their
nuances and quirks. But on a daily basis, I can't afford to get stuck on the side of the highway
for three hours. I have things to do. I know. And I don't have that luxury of having it. You know,
I see these guys come in and they buy a car and they're going to drive it home to wherever and
they're going to take 34 weeks and we'll just take our time. Like God, I'd love to have that
kind of luxury to just take three or four weeks to dink around driving from here to Florida or
wherever. Oh, it's tough. Screw it. Stop for a second. So you added, you said two separate things.
Take the time to drive it home and then you said dink around with it. So the three to four weeks
you're driving at home, two weeks are spent waiting for parts in Fayetteville. Yeah.
Because you can't, you're never going to go. I went to Monterey a couple years ago and it was
1500 bucks a night for the room and I needed three rooms. Yeah. And I was going to
drive an old car down and then I thought, well, wait a minute, let's drive my Mercedes 250C.
Let's say it spits a water pump in Sacramento. I miss my 4500 dollars a night
rooms in Monterey. Yeah. I'm taking the Hyundai. Yeah, you have to. You see, there's that logic
just kicking in just when you least expect it. You know, I can't lose that. I'm not going to,
I don't, I'm not particularly happy about paying 4500 dollars for a room,
but by God, if I pay 4500 dollars, I'm going to get to sleep in it.
Because they ain't giving your money back, I guarantee you. Well, I broke down on the
side of the road. Well, what were you driving, sir? Oh, well, then we, I'm sorry,
if anything older than 1980 you don't get a credit. I know. So, so this collection of
cars in Tennessee looks like some interesting cars that are southern cars, fairly decent condition
from what you can tell. There's one Giulietta Sprint Veloce, a one on one series that is numbers.
They've done a good job with the photos. They photographed the engine number, the chassis
number, the plate. It looks like a complete and correct car. The question is, what's,
does anything of the car exist below the rockers? Sure. Yeah. And you won't see that until you get
it home and start digging into it, as we like to say. And then there's some Giulia Supers,
which is the four door Alpha sedan. Some of them have Weber, some don't. Sure. It's, it's the kind
of thing where everything will be worse than you can possibly expect. Well, you know, if we, if we
all go into things in life, just expecting the absolute worst, then usually that's what'll happen.
So let's just keep doing this. You won't be disappointed. disappointed at all.
It's a, it's a really, isn't it a fantasy thing? You come a farmer's field in the middle of nowhere,
all the bushes are grown up and, and there's all these alphas there. Yeah. And in the middle of
Tennessee, which I mean, you can see that on the West Coast, you can see it in Connecticut, you can
see it in more populous areas, but to see it in Tennessee seems like an oddball thing. And there's
got to be a great backstory to that. We should find out a little bit more backstory. Yeah. I got,
I can see the guy turning his wife, honey, honey, on Craigslist. There's an Alpha 164.
We don't have a blue one. No, it turns out the guy's name is Billy Bob Romeo.
But they pronounce it Romeo when they're in Tennessee. It's like, this is, this is the
greatest out in the field auction that I have seen in my 30 or 40 years of doing it. I called
Randy Nonenberg and bring a trailer. And I said, Randy, you should do your first on-site auction
for bring a trailer. You know, that's not a terrible idea, especially for something like this.
This will certainly get lots of attention regardless of if they bring $5 or $5 million. It
doesn't matter. It'll, it'll be something that people will talk. What is the sale coming up?
I'm trying to see if I can find that here online. I don't play around with my computer much. Let's
see. Yeah, I'm, I don't, I don't know where it is in the blog. June 22nd is the start date.
And it, June 30th and 31st is the, the preview is June 19th. So it looks like June the 22nd
starts at noon. So this will be interesting to watch. When do you want to meet there?
I'll have my jet meet your jet at the Sawani International Airport. Let's just have our,
let's just have our people drive the trucks down. I think that's much better idea. That way we'll
be able to buy those cars and just drive them home. Oh yeah. And they'll be cheap too.
We'll steal them. I'll bring the starter fluid. I'll bring the jumpback. I'll keep an eye on
this. You keep an eye on it. We'll talk about it again next week. And I'll buy three if you buy
three. It sounds like a date. Keith Martin everybody joining us from the West Coast.
We'll catch you next week and we'll see you next week again on the Classic Auto Mall show. Bye-bye.
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About this episode
Broadcast from the studios inside the Classic Automall in Morgantown, Pennsylvania, the conversation kicks off with consignment results and a look at how the venue supports nearly 1,000 cars under one climate controlled roof. Guests and hosts then zoom into the Philadelphia Concours d'Elegance—its June 6th/7th dates, a move outdoors at Union League National’s Liberty Hill course, and a “rebirth” tied to charity. Along the way, they dig into concours judging, collector-car sourcing, and the emotional pull of period racing history.
Show #245 airdate 05-27-26 Stewart welcomes Trey Dusek of The Philadelphia Concours d'Elegance at the Union League Liberty Hill. Discussed are the 2026 event on June 6 & 7 and following year plans and the true purpose which is o raise money for www.CoolCarsForKids.org . With a show theme of #Italian cars discussion includes marques like Bugati, Lamborghini, Fiat, Ducati and Ferrari including their release of the Luce EV. Keith Martin from Sports Car Market joins to discuss a "secret" Alfa auction in Tennessee.
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