Martinsville is a NASCAR-style short track where the racing is close and bumping happens a lot. Drivers often expect contact and plan for it so they can keep the car under control.
A road course is a type of race track with lots of turns, not just going left in a circle. Cars have to slow down, turn, and speed up repeatedly, so tires and grip matter a lot.
“Donuts” means spinning the tires in a circle to make smoke and show the car still has power. It’s usually done for fun or celebration, not as a serious racing tactic.
“Save the race car” means don’t wreck it further and keep it running well enough to finish. If the car gets damaged, it can get harder to drive and could end the race.
Sheet metal is the thin metal outer parts of the car—like doors and fenders. When someone says the “sheet metal” is lit up, they mean the body panels are getting smashed.
A door hit is when another car smacks the side of your car, near the door. It can make the car harder to drive and can be a sign of how rough the racing got.
A caution is when the race slows down because something is happening on the track. Everyone drives more carefully, and teams often get chances to pit during that time.
This is basically advice to avoid getting in the middle of other cars’ problems. In close NASCAR racing, that can mean fewer wrecks and a better chance to finish.
NASCAR is a big American race series where teams race purpose-built stock cars. It’s not just the track—there’s a huge community and a lot of effort behind the scenes.
Drag racing is racing in a straight line to see who accelerates fastest. It’s a different style than oval racing, so the cars and setups can feel very different.
A “funnel” is just a way to describe how people go from seeing something to actually taking action. Here, they’re saying your video title and thumbnail should help pull people in.
In video marketing, the title and thumbnail are the primary “click drivers” that determine whether people stop scrolling and watch. The segment emphasizes that clarity and audience understanding are crucial for getting viewers to engage.
Here, “racing” means cars competing on a track, going around and around to try to be fastest. The kids might be there with their family but still not understand why everyone is watching the cars.
After the race, the team usually gets together to talk about how it went. They review what worked, what didn’t, and what they’ll try to do better next time.
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Jesse, I went back and washed the race, me and Carson went back and washed the whole
race.
Jesse was a little rough on some guys early, too.
Jesse doesn't realize, here's the thing about Jesse, Jesse drives the way he doesn't
like to get driven.
Exactly.
And I mean, I love Jesse, he's a great, great guy.
I like Jesse, too.
And I don't want it to be, I don't want to, you know, I don't want to give him a wrong
idea, but.
Yeah.
Dude, and honestly, Jesse races hard and there's nothing wrong with it, but when it comes
back around.
He don't like it.
And especially at Martinsville, like damn, you're supposed to get run into.
I would go to Martinsville and I want Jesse and everybody to hear this.
I would go to Martinsville looking f*** forward to getting run into.
We go to all these other race tracks.
When I was driving, we had steel bodies, right?
You go to, you go to, you go to Kansas and Chicago and road courses and all these tracks.
You can't touch no f***ing body.
If you barely been the f***ing quarter panel, you're f***ing.
Yeah.
You couldn't touch nothing.
So I couldn't wait to go to Martinsville and I'm like, please f***ing door me.
Somebody put some donuts on this mother f***ing, let's go.
That explains a lot.
Yes.
I mean, we'd get 100 laps in the race and LaTarpe would come on the radio and go, dude,
you got 400 laps to go.
Can we save some f***ing race car?
Cause I'd have both sides lit up like flooding the sheet metal market here.
To feel alive.
I, I loved it.
And when a guy came, when a guy got loose under me and f*** me, you know, hit me in
the left side door, you know, it was, it's what I went to Martinsville to f***ing expect.
At the time, it did not make you happy.
Yeah.
But I mean, you want it.
I know.
You're looking forward to grinding your teeth.
You're f***ing like, yeah.
You're looking forward to being the guy.
You're looking forward to dirtying the right side up.
Not the left side.
But yeah, but I mean, are you looking forward, you want to get hit first or then it gives
you the freedom to go back, Adam?
I just went to those races going, I'm ready to f***, trade some sheet metal.
I'm not going to knock, I'm not going to spin a guy out.
I'm not going to f***, you know, ruin somebody's day.
But if I knock your ass, if I run into the f***ing side of your car, take it like a f***ing
man.
Let's go.
You know, you want to get back to me in the next corner fine, but it's, you know, it's
I for an eye.
Don't be a f***ing idiot.
And take me out.
I'm not going to take you out now.
I don't want it to escalate.
That's when it gets carried away.
It doesn't need to escalate.
But do I want to hit?
Do I want to hit?
Do I want to trade bumpers?
Do I want to get out of my car and see the story of the race written all over the f***ing
sheet metal?
Yes.
Yes, I do.
And I want it on both sides.
It was fun.
And now these guys get all bent out of shape when somebody gives them a little doughnut
off the corner.
You f***ing hit me.
Back to this, this, this caution thing though, what is, we got a normal stage break, normal
stage break caution.
What is like the procedure?
Do you do two laps and then they open pit road and then you come down like, what is
the depends on the track, right?
Because two laps at Kansas is different than two laps at Martinsville.
But I just told you what it is.
You throw the caution, they watch us gather up, they go to commercial for a while.
So commercials dictating how many laps you're doing.
It's not, we need one lap to clean off the track, pit road open.
Not for stages, for regular cautions, I think it's more, a little more buttoned up or not.
But it's still the same, they're still not, I don't know that there's a huge sense of
urgency on regular cautions too, because again, TV is banking on, we, listen, they
hurt us when we talk, when the fans complained about all these commercials during Green Flag,
they're like, all right, we're going to do it during yellow.
Well, the time, the running time of the commercials has to remain whatever it is.
So they're just going to have to extend the yellows if you want them to tune in to green.
So what would you rather them have, longer yellows or have some commercials during green?
Trap, what's your opinion of that?
If they had to run one hour of commercials every race, I'm throwing it, I have no idea
what the number is, would you rather it be for extended yellows, would you rather be
extended yellows or take away a little green flag?
Can we, can we do the extended yellows but freeze the lap count?
Oh God, no, the races would be six hours.
I think I would still, I think I would rather take the yellow.
Longer yellow.
Yeah.
The hard thing is like yesterday would have been great to go during some green ones,
but it's like you, you can't decide it.
It's tough.
I think you take a little green away.
Maybe just, you know why?
Because we're just, I feel like we're in a world of you got it.
We got to get that dopamine hit every couple of minutes.
And I'm telling you a 15 minute caution can really drag down your feeling.
And next thing you know, now I've switched over to basketball and now it's a close
game, I'm like, I don't want, this is great.
I don't want to change from this.
I flip back real quick, still under yellow.
Let me go back to the game and then I just find myself getting caught in the game.
I will say, though, that like showing the pit stops, I do think helps build
the race up.
I agree with you.
I that's why I maybe a happy medium.
Just if there was an easy fix, then NASCAR would have done it all.
There is no easy fix, which we're trying again, we're trying to make it all work
and make air feed all the mouths that that that are NASCAR.
So it's a tough, tough thing, but TV's got to get their commercials in.
It's the only way that the series gets the the money that it does that that
supports this whole thing.
So but it feels long in the car.
I'm telling you it.
We were running lots of cars.
Yo, party G, you got to bring that pickle car back.
Dude, those pickles are fire.
I love that.
What pickles is pickle?
Yeah, the Gorillaz car.
Everyone loves it.
Dude, when we put out that cooler behind the hauler of pickles, they go very,
very fast.
They have the hot ones too, right?
Oh, yeah, they'll be back soon.
So I can't wait.
I love them.
Freddie, you better shave your eyebrows off after this break.
No, the haircut didn't work.
Clean your beard up, man.
That's a mess.
Clean as it gets, buddy.
So I am driving home from a boy's birthday party turned seven today.
Happy birthday.
He is named after Chase Elliott.
So happy birthday to my son, Chase.
He gets the win today.
Love that.
So now I'm going to have to see
since I am a Chase sexual, my wife wants to get together and make another baby.
We'll call him Clyde.
Awesome.
I was expecting some Chase sexual calls today.
Oh, Shane Van Gingerburger pretty much ran top 10 all day.
Not saying we're doing anything,
but Jeff Burton better figure out how to say this guy's name right.
Tommy, what is it?
What is it about qualified in the top five?
Not made it top five, top 10, I think.
No, he was I think it was fifth or maybe maybe sixth.
He was right there, though.
He's close.
What is it about Martinsville?
Because AJ was kind of the same way.
What is it about Martinsville that like kind of lends itself to these
road course guys?
Is it just the breaking?
Yeah, just breaking and timing.
You know, Montoya was the same way when he got to Martinsville.
It took a little bit for Shane to do it, but he's figured it out.
I mean, look, Shane's figuring out all the ovals now, right?
He's getting, you know, they were a little off last week as a group,
but he's getting better.
I mean, you're racing, you know, around them more now than you did last year, right?
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It would beginning of last year went to, you know, Vegas and Texas, all these places.
He was, you know, he was a car that we expected to beat, you know,
and now he's he's very, very fast.
I think, yeah, it's very impressive.
I, you know, I don't think anyone's ever necessarily a massive fan, right?
When someone comes in and just beats, you know, all the guys that, you know,
I think are the greatest in the world.
It hurts a little bit, but yeah, to see what he's done is just incredible.
And yeah, massive respect for sure.
We said he was going to be the most approved guy this year, and he's he's living up to it.
It is currently 612 a.m.
I'm just crossing into the great state of Michigan again.
After a 12 hour drive home from Martinville, I haven't slept in probably 30 hours.
And I still think Kyle Bush had a longer day than I did.
Kyle Bush had a race with me all day.
So I don't think you can see in Kyle's interview.
He's he's just about had enough.
I don't know what that means for the future, but I would be surprised to see him
back in that car next year.
His interviews, he's gotten to the point where he's given the one word answer
interviews like and I don't know, like they're they mean as a whole,
they struggled yesterday, obviously.
But like this guy is still
one of the best race car drivers on the planet.
Like he didn't forget how to do this.
He doesn't like this car.
He doesn't like the feel.
I mean, he just doesn't.
Do you think practice lack of practice has anything to do with that?
I mean, obviously he doesn't need practice, but I feel like he he does need it.
Like, but to get comfortable, I think.
Practice, if we're allowed to do more things in practice, it would help that.
But, you know, I don't know, man, I just he just doesn't like it.
But I guarantee you, if you get it right for him, you know where he's going to be.
Yeah. Right.
But he's you know, the deal, man.
Todd, these cars are so finicky.
One round, one round in the left rear, in or out could
mess you up.
Yeah, no, there's there the most sensitive car I've ever driven.
But yeah, I think like Tommy said,
if you put put Kyle Busch in the fastest car, he's going to be at the front.
So I think he'd like the car a lot more in that situation.
I'm hoping for the Kyle Busch fans.
He figures it out at some point, because they're we're going on two years now.
Yo, I'm pretty upset.
I just found out that Brady's been lying to us for years.
So then he's not great.
That was some go 12.
Go 12. I knew that was.
I again, I didn't see it.
Tommy informed me last night that it was pretty egregious.
And I'm going to take Tommy's word for it.
He's never lied to me before.
Is that what you guys do on the show?
You just you say you didn't see it.
Well, I was I was usually with Danny.
He does. Yeah, yeah.
Well, it's in his contract.
The guy signs my check.
So I can't say anything bad about him.
Let's let's like last week he screwed up last week for sure,
because it ended up wrecking us.
But that was that was his fault last week.
This week, I didn't see it.
Sorry. Last one, you know what?
I'm a static that Chase Elliott won this race.
Because you know why?
It takes zero town to think somebody you, Denny.
You, Denny, bros, all y'all, you.
I hope you guys have a horrible Easter.
I hope Easter Bunny gives you
instead of chocolate for eggs.
That guy's a northerner for sure.
No, that was like that was like a Midwester guy.
That's not like a guy from where's Blaney from Ohio.
That's where it was.
That was that was not a northerner.
Yeah, that was Blaney.
That was actually Ryan.
Thanks for calling it right.
He said he was calling in one of these guys.
Damn.
We cannot confirm.
Yeah, that was aggressive.
That was a little aggressive.
All right.
I hope you ruin your Easter.
That was I mean, that's bad.
That's bad.
You know, I was asking some of the cup drivers this week
what they thought would be reasonable expectations
for you at Rockingham and, you know, the general consensus
like just run all the laps, stay out of trouble and stuff.
And I imagine that your confidence in being able to do that
is like exponentially higher than it would have been
before you did that test day.
I'm assuming you gained a lot from that test.
Way higher, you know, in that day,
I developed more as a driver than I ever have in one day.
And that that's the biggest difference from me going,
you know, having this opportunity with RCR
is I'm not just getting in a car and hoping to figure it out
in the first 50 laps, you know, they have.
I've never been given so much data,
so much communication for anything in my life.
I mean, I probably I got less data when I became a pilot.
You know, like these guys are giving me so much data.
I've been spending hundreds of laps
on the simulator every day, hosting races on iRacing.
You know, I was just watching data from RCR this morning.
I'm going to the simulator this afternoon with Jesse Love.
You know, I just, that's the best part of this RCR deal
is just so much help for my actual driving abilities.
Well, so you mentioned obviously you've done
a lot of crazy stuff, a lot of fun stuff,
stuff that takes balls, stuff that takes adrenaline.
I mean, the Talladega video you just did
with the RFK drivers was insane.
So I imagine that you're used to whatever nerves
and adrenaline that come with that,
you're used to channeling that already.
Does the feeling of getting ready to compete in this race,
is it the same kind of feeling or is it something different?
I think there's a lot more pressure,
external pressure on this type of racing
versus what the other stuff I do.
You know, specifically because of like how badly
I did at Daytona and the truck, you know,
there's a lot of scrutiny going on.
And this sport has a ton of scrutiny.
Everyone's at each other's throats.
It's like you make one mistake and it's pretty chaotic.
I've obviously not, I don't have the driver's skill
to back up, you know, and prove these people wrong.
So at this point, it's like, I got nothing to prove.
I gotta get out there and do what a lot of these
cup drivers are suggesting and like, you know, Dale Jr.
and these guys are saying, just get out there,
stay out of the way and learn.
And that's my hopes.
I mean, that's the plan, finish the race.
You know, you could really tell that you've gained
such a firsthand appreciation for NASCAR
and the limited stuff that you've done so far.
What's been like the single biggest thing
that has surprised you about the NASCAR world
compared to what you thought it was like
before you got yourself in it?
Are you talking like on the social side
or like the competition side or what?
However you wanna take it, whatever jumped out at you
and you were like, it was like this.
The single largest thing, I mean,
the machine of NASCAR is massive, right?
I mean, I've just totally not in this world at all.
When I'm doing the drag race and YouTube stuff,
it's pretty fun to jump over here.
It's such a massive world and community
and be a part of something this big.
So I don't know, that's probably the biggest thing
that surprised me is just how extreme of a machine it is.
It elevated me as a creator more than I thought it would.
Normally I bring eyes to a sport.
This sport brought eyes to me.
And on the competition side, I would say the biggest thing
for me has been how hard the cars are
to correct when you screw up.
They're kinda like,
once you mess up a little bit,
it goes really wrong really fast.
And I'm sure you've seen clips where I can drift cars
at 100 plus mile an hour dead sideways
and have full control.
But the asymmetric wedge in these cars,
the way that they drive is so new to me.
It's way harder to recover from an incident.
There's obviously 35 to 38 other cars on track.
It's chaos.
I can't believe how many stars have to align
to actually win a race.
That's also shocking.
You have to be so competitive
and then so much other stuff has to go your way.
So when you see somebody win,
like you think, oh, that's great,
but it's a way bigger deal than that.
Wow.
It's a lot.
I was watching one of the reaction videos
that like Mark Martin did.
When he was talking about your approval and all this stuff
and he was talking about how he had watched your videos
and he was like, look, Cleetus can drive, okay?
And it's like, this is a NASCAR Hall of Famer saying this.
Then Keselowski in the video you did at Talladega,
he's obviously like very impressed
seeing you drive firsthand the way you pushed him
and all that stuff.
I mean, you know that you have car control
and you know you have these skills,
but when you catch the attention
of these NASCAR Hall of Fame type guys
and impress them with your talent,
I mean, does that mean anything to you?
Does that resonate with you?
Well, I love Mark Martin, by the way.
That guy has been so gracious to me.
Honestly, him and Kenny Wallace
have kind of been like some of the few guys
who've had my back, so I love those guys.
I definitely feel like I am not a bad driver,
especially in like a car that has symmetrical grip.
I feel like I'm very confident.
And it feels good to have their opinions sway that way,
but I also know that I have a lot to prove
or a lot to learn, you know,
to hopefully make those guys proud.
So I just can't believe how far these guys drive,
these things in the corner.
I mean, they are so damn good at turning left.
It's ridiculous.
So I just have so, I have such a gap to, you know,
get to where I can be competitive,
but learning as fast as I can.
I know you get asked for advice all the time
from people, you know,
how do I do this with my YouTube channel
and stuff like that?
How do I make good content like you?
My channel currently has 11,000 subscribers,
so I have 4.66 million fewer subscribers than you have.
What advice would you give to someone like me
on how to grow my content and be a better creator?
Well, Jeff, I see your stuff all over
when I'm in the NASCAR world.
Like your stuff is all over.
But, you know, your specifically is like,
your funnel is like this, right?
You're just only applying to this specific community.
And my funnel is like this, right?
You know, of how many people my videos can apply to.
So I would say for you, you have good content.
You know, you may want to interpret
what could open your funnel up.
And, you know, next time you make a title for a video,
think, all right, who's gonna understand this?
Is it this many people or will everybody understand it?
You know, and the title and the thumbnail
are the most crucial part of that,
of getting people in the door.
That's fascinating advice.
Thank you for that.
You can't get them in the door.
They don't even care what, I mean,
what doesn't even matter what's on the other side.
Right, right.
Well, for the people that haven't watched your videos,
the NASCAR fans who are, you know,
have only heard about you
because you've come into this world,
what do you want them to know about you
as you take some steps into this sport?
I think that, you know, if you don't know
what Cleese McFarland is or who I am,
I would say go to the channel
and just watch maybe like the best of 2025 video.
And that will give you a small, short example
of almost everything we did throughout the year.
And just know that I am not trying
to wedge my way into this sport
and, you know, show the world that anyone can do it.
I'm simply here to enjoy the sport
and go turn left with a bunch of other, you know,
people who love turn and left.
And that's it.
I'm here to learn, I'm here to have a blast.
I got this crazy opportunity to run in O'Reilly's
with RCR and Tommy's Express Car Wash.
And I think a lot of people are viewing that as like,
I'm trying to wedge my way to the top, you know?
They called me and who the hell would I be
to say no to a richly children's racing
saying, come get in my car.
There's a 0% chance I'm turning that down.
And now here I am going to race in a level,
yeah, I may not be deserved to be at,
but it's up to me now, you know, I put myself here.
So, you know, if you want to come along for the ride,
we'd love to have you.
My favorite, and I hate to take you here emotionally,
but because I know you're-
I know where you're going.
Listen, dude, I'm telling you, this was really cool.
I'm a girl dad, I got a little five and seven-year-old,
your daughter's around the same age,
but she seems absolutely aware of what, you know,
what she's, what's happening to her.
What's happening that day, what y'all were doing?
She was, she was, I was watching her
and trying to compare her to my child.
And she, you know, she, my girls go to the race
and they're still not sure what racing is, right?
They're not sure what we're doing there.
And why, I'm in that car, you know,
daddy's out there in that car.
He's out there, where is he at?
You know, why is he not in the camper?
Where is he?
And so my girls are still sort of a bit oblivious
to some of the, some of the things
and we'll get there one day with them, but.
Yeah.
And I'm sure your daughter is, is a child at heart,
but, but I'm telling you, man.
It was a special moment.
It was the, the, we raced all day, we led laps,
we had fun, you got to do all these great things
and you got to experience the lows and the highs
who did it all.
Yep.
But the best moment of the day for me
happened before the race ever started.
Yeah.
So I'm standing over the right front.
She comes up to you, your wife and her close by,
they had been, they'd been within, you know,
within arms reach for the last several minutes,
kind of hanging around, waiting and, you know,
allowing photos and other things to happen.
And you waved her over, she comes over to you, right?
And y'all had a moment where you knelt down
and gave her a hug and she got emotional
and you got emotional.
Now, I understand why you got emotional.
Yeah.
Right.
But it was really profound for me to see your daughter
recognize in that moment how important this was for you.
What a, what a, what a cool,
I think that's got to feel so good as a dad, right?
Forget the race, forget how important this is in your life
to be able to experience this one thing.
You got to feel so good as a dad to have a daughter
that recognizes how important that was for you
and how happy she was to see you get to do it.
That's what I saw.
I saw her emotional and thankful
and knowing that my dad's getting ready
to do something he's dreamed about.
I have to imagine that y'all must have had
some conversations leading up to this.
You must have shared with her.
She knew how special it was.
Yeah, and then you made it aware,
you made it, you know, you made her aware of it
and she was able to go there
and you know how much that mattered to her now
that she knows and understands all this
and your wife sat on the pit box behind me the whole race
and I knew the whole time she knew exactly how important
every single lap was, we watched you come off term four
time over time, time after time after time,
just soaking it in and just realizing
how big a grin you had on your face, you know?
But I thought that was of all things that happened that day
that embraced with her and how connected
to the moment she was, was impressive to me.
Yeah, she's, that's been really special
because she's at a age where she understands
how much it meant to me.
She saw dad working, she saw dad running up
back and forth running miles on the driveway and the farm.
She saw me being like that 18 year old kid,
but I was her dad, you know, she saw that fire in me
and she, man, she's been like my biggest supporter
and just, when we had the post race,
when we had that post race meeting Monday morning here,
yeah, the team meeting.
Yup, I'm gonna tell you how aware she is.
Well, love, she's daddy.
You're not gonna get in trouble, are you?
And I said, I said, I said, I said, I don't know, baby.
I said, I think they really impressed with my racing.
I said, I'm probably gonna be critiqued on my restarts
and I said, I said, but that's okay.
I said, that's part of life.
I said, I critique you on things and I said,
dad knows he needed to be better there and I said,
I'm gonna be fine.
I said, there's a lot of people there that support me
and have reached out to me and told me,
hey, I've done it before I've had this issue.
I said, so I'm gonna be fine,
but that's all she could think about that morning.
She didn't want dad to be in trouble at this meeting.
So she is so aware of everything
and she knows that I wanted to be perfect.
She knows that how much it meant to me
and she knows that the disappointment I felt
of making that mistake, she knew she could feel that.
She knew that how much that had weighed on me that weekend.
She knew that I had a great time and a great experience,
but that morning, she's just so aware of so many things.
And three or four years ago, she wouldn't have been.
So she's nine now and it's just kind of amazing
to be at that point in life.
But yeah, when I gave her the hug,
I just told her this is why you never give up on your dreams.
And I said, whatever you dream of, you fight for
and you just never give up.
And so yeah, that was definitely a special time for me
for sure.
Something I'll never forget, so.
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About this episode
Martinsville-style racing gets real as the hosts talk about why drivers both expect and resent contact—trading sheet metal, not escalating wrecks, and how different tracks change the “rules” of aggression. They also debate NASCAR’s TV-driven caution/commercial timing and whether longer yellows (or fewer green laps) would feel better. The conversation then shifts to Kyle Busch’s struggles with a finicky car, Shane van Gisbergen’s Martinsville road-course knack, and Cleetus McFarland’s transition into NASCAR—highlighting the pressure, the massive sport “machine,” and his creator/content advice. A heartfelt dad-moment with Cleetus’s daughter closes it out.
Only have 30 minutes? Well, this episode of Dirty Thirty packs a full-sized podcast punch into a half-hour runtime - and it's all the best parts from Dirty Mo Media's shows, including: Dale's Martinsville Rant, A Really Angry Fan Voicemail & Jeff Gluck's Interview with Cleetus McFarland.
We start off with Dale Jr. giving us a rant for the ages, where he gives a fiery explanation about how he differs from drivers who get upset about door banging at Martinsville.
Batting second in the proverbial DMM lineup is Actions Detrimental with Denny Hamlin and his explanation on why they run so many caution laps in between stages.
Next up, we had to highlight the callers in Door Bumper Clear's Reaction Theatre segment who covered everything from makin' babies to not-so-nice Easter wishes.
Plus, ahead of his race for Richard Childress Racing at Rockingham, Cleetus McFarland chatted with Jeff Gluck on the Gluckcast about advice he's gotten, how to grow a YouTube channel, and what he wants NASCAR fans to get out of him racing in the sport.
And last, but certainly not least, break out the tissue boxes — Lee Pulliam recounts the emotional embrace he shared with his daughter before climbing the JR Motorsports No. 9 at Martinsville and how much she knew it meant to her dad.
Thanks for listening! See you next week, right back here on the Dirty Thirty.
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