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Welcome back to the podcast.
03:01
Cadillac OPTIQ gets a big upgrade.
03:03
BMW begin IX3 production and Lucid ready for its Saudi factory.
03:09
Later in the show, I'll tell you what one Tesla engineer is saying about the
03:14
CEO after quitting and being with the business for eight years.
03:18
On today's edition of EV News China, I'm talking about 40 million EV sold.
03:23
The BYD Yang Wang U9.
03:24
That's the big 300 mile an hour hypercar.
03:26
Yeah, the O2 spec and the Denzer N9, a big premium SUV.
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Three row gorgeous.
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Join me later for a bonus podcast about China's EV price war and how it's
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way worse than most people realize it'll be live tonight for patrons and all
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Right, let's start with Cadillac.
04:02
This is great news, by the way.
04:04
Took about a massive improvement for less money.
04:06
Cadillacs updated the OPTIQ lineup for the 2026 model year upgrading
04:11
The model gets a new single motor on the rear wheel drive base trim and a beefier
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dual motor all wheel drive option.
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The base rear wheel drive OPTIQ uses a new single electric motor they've got
04:26
there that's rated for 315 horsepower.
04:29
That replaces last year's base model, which is 300 horsepower.
04:34
But that was for the dual motor.
04:36
The new all wheel drive dual motor goes from 300 to 440.
04:42
That's a 47% increase.
04:44
The previously announced OPTIQ V goes to 509 horsepower dual motor.
04:49
EPA figures are not yet released, but Cadillac has listed revised range
04:55
The base model with that massive new rear motor, tons of performance
04:59
improvements, 300 miles, all wheel drive dual motor 280, OPTIQ V 275.
05:04
Pricing, though, get this, it's lower.
05:07
The base rear wheel drive starts at 52, 395, which Cadillac says is lower
05:13
than last year's base tag, adding all wheel drives, three and a half
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grand more and all trims apart from the OPTIQ V.
05:19
That's all wheel drivers standard, obviously.
05:21
Next BMW group is going to start series production of its new IX3,
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the electric SUV, 500 miles of range, incredible architecture,
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next level engineering.
05:33
I profile that in a whole half hour show as we dive deep.
05:36
It's called the spec sheet, my little spin-off series that I
05:39
look at individual cars.
05:40
Been on the Patreon feed for seven days now,
05:43
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05:45
on the ad-supported free feed.
05:47
And so they will start production in October
05:49
at their new facility in Hungary in Debrecen.
05:52
It's the first model in the Neue Klasse.
05:54
Debrecen facility has 100% renewable energy.
05:58
BMW's new concept called the iFactory,
06:01
digital first manufacturing.
06:03
The plant was planned digitally from the start.
06:06
Since March 2023, engineers have been testing operations
06:09
and the digital environments before the physical production
06:13
They use digital twins so you can do everything.
06:16
You can build cars in a kind of virtual computer
06:19
You have a digital twin of everything.
06:22
It means that you can model stuff
06:23
and iterate so much quicker, find the flaws,
06:26
the improvements that need to be made
06:27
in a virtual environment, a digital environment.
06:30
And that includes the factory as well.
06:32
Production of the iX3 is going to be a two-third CO2 reduction
06:37
compared to existing BMW models.
06:39
The Debrecen plant itself will produce 34 kilograms
06:43
of CO2 per vehicle built at full capacity,
06:46
90% less than other BMW facilities.
06:49
Now, during normal production, it
06:50
runs on, like I say, all renewables.
06:52
BMW's first car plant to avoid
06:54
entire the fossil fuel chain.
06:57
There's also a 123.6-acre solar array,
07:03
which gives the factory about 25% of what it needs.
07:06
Excess solar is stored in a thermal storage system
07:10
that holds 1,800 cubic meters of water.
07:13
That's about 130 megawatt hours of energy storage
07:16
in that facility as well.
07:17
This is deeply impressive how car companies are
07:20
taking really seriously the move to EV
07:23
and the need to reduce CO2 emissions not just
07:26
at the tailpipe, not just at the exhaust pipe,
07:28
which obviously it doesn't have.
07:30
So we know that's zero.
07:33
I mean, other companies are doing the same Volvo,
07:35
are really proud of their efforts in this area as well.
07:39
Brilliant, massively impressive.
07:41
Now, Lucid Motors are next.
07:42
They're upgrading their facility
07:44
in the King Abdullah Economic City
07:47
from a semi-knockdown SKD facility.
07:51
And it will be able to fully produce complete vehicles
07:53
on site rather than using kit assembly,
07:55
the role it's performed since September 2023.
07:58
The company began assembling its second model,
07:59
the Gravity at the Saudi facility earlier this year
08:03
and will begin full vehicle production next year.
08:07
The plant's capacity is 5,000 vehicles a year at the moment.
08:10
It's a small facility.
08:12
Lucid set the target of 150,000 units annually.
08:18
According to the VP of the Middle East,
08:20
vehicles produced there will be exported across
08:22
Middle East and the Gulf countries
08:24
and export to the European and Asian markets,
08:26
but not China, as I told you about yesterday.
08:29
They reaffirmed that Lucid will produce
08:32
their mid-sized platform at the Saudi facility as well,
08:35
which is already being designed and engineered.
08:38
There'll be significant involvement
08:39
from the Middle East in the operation.
08:41
A lot of input from Saudi talent, they say,
08:44
in the plant and in Riyadh,
08:46
where Lucid has their headquarters,
08:49
about 65% of the workforce there,
08:51
Saudi nationals who have been trained in the US plant
08:54
are now back on home soil.
08:55
Wow, talking of Lucid, by the way,
08:58
second story from them today.
08:59
They've released their new over-the-air update.
09:01
Look out for UX 3.3 to the Gravity SUV.
09:04
So that adds big towing and camera upgrades
09:07
to the Gravity, makes towing a breeze, they say.
09:09
A new integrated trailer brake control, Hitch View.
09:13
Trailer light check.
09:16
Hitch View displays the trailer hitch
09:18
on the Gravity's infotainment system,
09:20
the trailer light check,
09:21
it illuminates all the different lights in sequence.
09:23
That's pretty common in some cars,
09:25
if you're used to towing, if you're on your own,
09:28
obviously you can't check.
09:29
So obviously you run the system,
09:31
it's done differently in different cars,
09:33
whether it's putting your foot on the brake
09:34
and pressing a button or whatever,
09:35
then you jump out, go round to the back of the trailer,
09:37
and it'll illuminate all the lights in sequence.
09:40
So not particularly innovative,
09:41
but a real quality of life improvement,
09:43
kind of matching what other companies do with towing.
09:46
Lucid offering Gravity owners the option to test to
09:50
halo secure features in development.
09:53
What they call Live View and Drive Recorder.
09:56
So Live View uses the vehicle's external cameras
09:58
to stream what's around it in real time to the app.
10:01
Again, not innovative, but matching the best in class.
10:05
Drive Recorder saves the clips, accidents, incidents,
10:08
if you spot something that you want to save
10:09
all the camera view onto its USB.
10:12
Again, Tesla very famous for that.
10:15
The update makes changes to the infotainment system,
10:17
better responsiveness and usability,
10:20
but bookmarks on the home screen
10:21
as shortcuts that navigate to your favorite locations
10:24
and the audio system has been improved as well they say.
10:26
That gravity, super special, really special.
10:29
Now Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi, the Alliance,
10:32
which was one time, you know,
10:34
one time they were, you know, thick as thieves.
10:35
It was a very tight Alliance.
10:37
There's been some undoing of that in recent years
10:40
and a reallocation of how the various bits
10:43
of the companies own each other.
10:44
You know, Renault always owned more than Nissan.
10:46
The Nissan owned of Renault as a bit of an imbalance,
10:49
but that relationship hasn't fallen apart
10:50
but that Alliance is still going.
10:52
They're just learning to dance in a different way.
10:54
Well, Nissan and Mitsubishi confirming
10:56
that they will lean on their French partners
10:59
for European production.
11:02
Executives from all three companies
11:03
met at the Ampere facility in France
11:06
during their board meeting to review the initiatives.
11:08
Nissan and Mitsubishi confirming that Ampere,
11:11
the French company created by Renault,
11:13
will be their manufacturing partner
11:15
for the new Bev models they make.
11:17
Ampere will construct the all new Nissan Micra,
11:20
which looks really good, by the way.
11:22
The Nissan Micra, okay, quick sidestep.
11:24
Sorry for the digression.
11:28
For anyone who grew up around them,
11:30
that vehicle was first launched.
11:32
It was certainly, if you saw a little old lady driving it
11:37
or somebody on driving lessons who was 17 years old,
11:41
you know, it looked like that was
11:43
what the vehicle was for.
11:45
The Nissan Micra of today, obviously it's a Renault 5.
11:48
The Nissan Micra of today is not only a lot bigger
11:50
because all cars are fat, because of safety and stuff,
11:53
but also it looks really good.
11:55
Like I never thought, you know, you go back 25 years
11:59
and ask 25 year old me,
12:01
hey, would you like a Nissan Micra one day?
12:03
I do, literally would.
12:05
Like if that was our second car on the driveway,
12:07
I'd be over the moon with the new Nissan Micra.
12:10
They're also gonna make the new,
12:11
sorry, digression over.
12:14
The new Nissan Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross as well.
12:17
The Micra is on Ampere's AMPR or Amper small platform,
12:21
same as the Eclipse Cross.
12:23
No, that's bigger isn't it?
12:24
That'll be on the medium platform actually.
12:26
Both models are being prepared
12:28
at the French plant from Renault,
12:30
commercial launches by the end of the year.
12:32
There's some micro videos online already.
12:34
If you wanna go look at the likes of,
12:35
I think Autogiffel did one.
12:36
That's an insanely brilliant channel
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to go and watch if you love cars like me.
12:40
The Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross is gonna be an SUV
12:43
for Europe and the first Mitsubishi vehicle made in France.
12:45
Nissan unveiled the all new Micra
12:47
about Maytime, I think we saw it.
12:50
Ampere's production facility in France
12:52
now assembles six models,
12:54
Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi and Alpine as well.
12:57
NEO has completed their $1.16 billion equity offering.
13:02
So this isn't a financial podcast,
13:04
we steer away from pretty much most
13:06
of that kind of stuff over here
13:08
because it's other podcasts and YouTube channels
13:10
that do a far better job
13:12
than covering the financials of the EV industry.
13:14
But NEO has completed that,
13:16
raising a bunch more money, issuing more class A shares.
13:21
NEO said that they're just gonna have a big party.
13:24
No, NEO said that they're gonna spend $1.6 billion
13:27
on proceeds to invest in their new EV technologies,
13:31
develop new platforms and models in three brands,
13:33
expanding battery swapping and charging,
13:35
which is fabulously capital intensive to build.
13:38
Once it's built, of course,
13:40
you get that massive first mover advantage,
13:42
battery swapping is huge in China,
13:43
hasn't taken off in Europe yet,
13:45
but NEO are spending a ton of money on building that.
13:49
Same as Tesla had to build their own supercharger network
13:51
back in the day as well.
13:52
Also, the money strengthens their balance sheet.
13:55
Using reference prices in the SEC filing,
13:58
we don't know exactly,
13:59
but the transaction implies $1.1 billion in gross proceeds.
14:04
The capital raise follows the management goal,
14:07
reaffirmed this month of reaching 50,000 monthly sales
14:10
by Q4, so their brands are NEO, obviously they are NEO,
14:14
Firefly, which is the cheaper bit and Envo,
14:17
the family brand, August was a record, for instance,
14:21
and so things are going well there, but even NEO,
14:23
even like they're one of the ones that are doing okay,
14:27
even they've got one eye
14:28
on making sure that they're around in the future.
14:32
I think more than one eye on that actually.
14:33
We'll talk a lot about the crisis in China
14:37
although what's happening there is deeply impressive.
14:40
The price war, which I think is being massively underestimated,
14:44
is gonna be hugely consequential to the global EV industry.
14:48
We discussed that on our bonus show tonight.
14:51
Now, Tesla's Cybertruck and Model 3,
14:53
this was not bad news.
14:56
It was spun as bad news
14:57
by some bits of the sort of anti-Tesla media,
14:59
but the IHS, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
15:03
did their new crash tests.
15:05
They did a 2025 Tesla Cybertruck
15:08
Both got just a good rating, not top safety pick.
15:11
Not probably a noi Tesla bit
15:13
because the Tesla do like to have a reputation for safety
15:15
until now they had.
15:17
For the Cybertruck, they rated the headlights as poor
15:20
with too much glare
15:21
and some issues with the Model 3 rear seatbelts as well.
15:24
Not bad cars by any means,
15:26
but missing out on the top pick there.
15:29
They had to irritate Tesla actually.
15:31
Now, the European Commission,
15:32
a nine other review member states
15:34
launched the new clean transport corridor
15:36
to speed up deployment of charging infrastructure
15:38
for EV trucks, targeting electrifications
15:41
of sections of the trans-European transport network.
15:45
The nine participating member states
15:46
are Belgium, Denmark, Germany, Lithuania, Malta,
15:50
the Netherlands, Austria, Poland and Sweden.
15:52
The initiative aims to coordinate
15:53
building fast charging infrastructure
15:55
for heavy duty vehicles under the new directive.
15:59
Member states can fast track grid reinforcement
16:02
for certain energy projects
16:04
via new planning and approval procedures.
16:07
The commission plans to apply the same status to projects
16:11
under the European clean transport corridor
16:15
that speeds up grid development
16:17
and has pledged to simplify permitting
16:19
for charging stations for heavy duty vehicles
16:22
that could be causing a bottleneck.
16:23
The corridors in focus are the North Sea to Baltic route
16:27
and the Scandinavian to Mediterranean corridor.
16:31
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And I can tell you about China and Poland
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20:01
supermarkets are increasingly a great place
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to charge your car.
20:04
New analysis by ZapMap and the RAC
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showing UK supermarkets expanding their EV charging stock
20:10
by more than a third from January last year to June.
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This year, adding 1,001 charge points
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at 260 big supermarkets.
20:17
The total is now 4,000 charges.
20:20
Well, just shy of 4,000 charges,
20:23
up 34% from the end of 2023.
20:25
Supermarket charges make up 5% of the UK stock
20:29
of the charges installed since January last year.
20:32
596 were rapid or ultra rapid.
20:35
Around 1,876 supermarket locations now form
20:40
some part of the charging network in the UK.
20:43
Up 16% from the end of 2023.
20:46
Who's doing the most?
20:47
Tesco still run the largest supermarket charging network
20:51
with 1,400 charge points.
20:53
Aldi also adding a load.
20:55
Now, obviously this isn't the Walmart deal
20:58
of the size of that in the US.
21:00
I think that when Walmart go big on EV charging,
21:02
it's gonna be, I hate the phrase game changing,
21:04
significant for the US charging market.
21:07
But over here, our supermarkets,
21:09
we tend to have the kind of retail outlets
21:14
that maybe you see in other countries.
21:16
Our supermarket stock tends to be either a mix of local
21:21
places where you go get a sandwich
21:22
and your essential kind of pint of milk, loaf of bread,
21:25
or at the other end of that,
21:26
really big, get everything under one roof kind of,
21:31
maybe like a hypermarket in France,
21:33
but sort of less, less pile them high and sell them cheap
21:37
that some kind of French hypermarkets would go,
21:40
I'm not saying it's premium by any means,
21:42
some of our supermarkets.
21:43
I suppose in the middle of that,
21:44
we've got some of the European competition
21:46
coming in like the Aldi's and Liddles and stuff
21:48
that sort of offer what I used to think of as a supermarket,
21:52
like five or six aisles,
21:54
but a lot of the big names are much bigger stores now,
21:57
and adding EV fast charging, which is awesome.
21:59
Now Ford is cutting a thousand jobs
22:02
at its Cologne EV plant,
22:04
which is interesting first of all,
22:07
I made a whole podcast about what's happening
22:08
to Ford in Europe, the failure of Ford in Europe,
22:11
for many reasons by the way,
22:12
and what they can do to recover.
22:14
That went into the Patreon feed last week,
22:19
I think it was, that goes into the,
22:21
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22:23
the ad supported podcast feed,
22:24
like the main one that I think most people listen to,
22:28
so you can hear that on Saturday night.
22:31
I think that flicks over
22:32
from being a Patreon exclusive.
22:34
Ford's European decline,
22:36
I ask what will bring back the glory days
22:38
if anything for Ford,
22:39
well, maybe not the 12% market share days,
22:42
but in the meantime they're struggling
22:44
and they're gonna cut another thousand jobs in Cologne,
22:46
their vehicle plant in Germany,
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and move the facility down to a single shift.
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The company said that in Europe,
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demand for EVs is well below forecasts.
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I love Ford, you can listen to that special show,
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I made it with love,
23:01
because I want them to do well.
23:02
I love Fast Fords, I grew up in the like 80s and 90s,
23:05
that was my bedroom wall posters, right?
23:07
Cosies and RS isn't big spoilers.
23:11
Be very careful when a car company has to fire people
23:14
and say it's because of a softening of the EV industry.
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It's a softening of people wanting Ford EVs.
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The EV industry is not softening,
23:24
but they go, it's not a Ford thing, they all do it,
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but when they have bad news to release,
23:29
they go, well, the EV industry is not doing
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what we thought it would do
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and so we have to let people go.
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That's, and it's awful.
23:35
It's cause Ford have only recently now a Puma to sell
23:40
and until the UK grant of four grand off
23:42
has been fabulously expensive for what it is,
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like 10 grand too much and it's a good EV
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and really efficient as well, that Puma anyway.
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And the Explorer starts at 40 grand.
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The Capri, you can spec up to almost 60,000 pounds
23:57
for a Ford, the Ford is the every man car, right?
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And they went premium with EVs.
24:03
So the EV market's fine, by the way.
24:06
Ford mucked up their product line
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by previous management and all that kind of stuff.
24:10
And now they're busy unpicking it
24:13
and it's not a quick fix.
24:15
So when they say that they're firing people
24:17
because of softening demand.
24:18
Yeah, for your EVs, like they're great cars, by the way,
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based on MEB, Explorer's Fabulous Capri's really good.
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They're just asking way too much money
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for what in most people's minds eye
24:28
or what they think of like the Blue Oval, right?
24:30
That's the every man car.
24:31
That's the Mondeo Fiesta Focus.
24:34
Like these are amazing cars
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that everybody owned back in the day.
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It's been 60 grand by Ford, you know?
24:42
So they've got work to do and we want them to fix it.
24:45
There was a prior restructuring as well
24:47
that targeted 4,000 job cuts in Europe by the end of 2027.
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A major worker strike in Cologne
24:52
this year disrupted production.
24:54
The company's latest decision
24:56
will affect vehicle output again.
24:58
Registration data, however, in Europe is positive
25:02
according to the Manufacturers Association themselves
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in the first seven months of the year.
25:08
Battery electric vehicles were over a million
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in the first seven months of the year.
25:12
Year on year increases in Spain, up 95%,
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Germany up 60%, Italy up 60%.
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German registration data today
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from the KBA, the Federal Motor Transit Authority
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shows that Ford only registered 10,000 BEVs in Germany
25:31
The developments come after Ford invested $2.4 billion
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or two billion euros to upgrade the Cologne facility.
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Sadly, the actual cars they have on sale,
25:42
although very good, I think early adopters,
25:46
I mean, we're in the early mainstream now, aren't we, for EVs?
25:49
Know quite a lot about the cars
25:51
and so you're not talking to an uneducated car buyer
25:54
and you're asking almost 60 grand for a Capri
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which is basically an ID5, an MEB platform
25:59
which in some people's eyes
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needed fixing, which VW are fixing next year,
26:06
MEB Plus and all those kind of things.
26:08
So, I understand why Ford went with that platform.
26:12
You can bring things forward by a couple of years,
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save a bunch of development time and money.
26:17
Check out the bonus show that I did.
26:19
It's a discussion point.
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I've got some suggestions, not that anybody cares
26:22
of what they could do to get back to selling
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a lot of mainstream cars.
26:27
Right, two more stories.
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Canadian manufacturer, Tiger, Tiger, Tiger,
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Moses has revealed two jet ski models in Monaco,
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a two-seater and a three-seater.
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They market the Orca P2 as a benchmark of jet skis,
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21,000 US dollars, the three-seater WX3 Orca
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built on a new crossover platform,
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they say, big adventures for the whole family.
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Two hours of water activity, a tow system as well
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for wakeboarding, water skiing and inflatables,
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a rear platform wide enough to fish from for the jet ski.
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That's 24,000 US dollars.
27:04
Both models have a 120 kilowatt motor developed in-house.
27:07
The integrated traction unit is,
27:09
combines an IPM motor and the inverter.
27:12
No battery capacity disclosed.
27:14
All models from next-year support DC fast charging
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on CCS-1 in North America and CCS-2 in Europe,
27:20
less than 30 minutes and you are back on the water.
27:23
The last time I rode a jet ski, I broke my left ankle.
27:26
Me and jet skis do not get on very well.
27:31
The whole thing went black and blue.
27:33
I couldn't walk for ages.
27:35
I'll give it a try anyway with electric power.
27:37
Maybe it was the combustion engine
27:39
that I'll blame on that jet ski.
27:42
And finally, it was during COVID as well
27:45
so I couldn't even like obviously walk
27:48
into the doctor's surgery.
27:49
So everything was closed.
27:53
Right, a Tesla engineer that's been there for eight years,
27:56
one of the long timers at the company.
27:59
Recently left the business.
28:00
He resigned, but he wasn't fired.
28:02
And unlike some people who simply move on
28:05
either at the end of a relationship or leaving a job,
28:08
he decided to part ways with Tesla
28:12
with a few choice words on LinkedIn
28:14
saying his departure was because of his concerns
28:19
He'd been there eight years, an engineer joined in 2017,
28:22
wrote, okay, I'm just gonna quote this, right?
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I do need to address the elephant in the room.
28:27
The main reason I'm leaving
28:29
is that I think Elon has dealt huge damage
28:32
to Tesla's mission and to the health
28:34
of democratic institutions in several countries.
28:37
Beyond that, Elon's leadership and decision-making
28:39
seems seriously compromised.
28:42
Wow, he worked on things like auto bidder,
28:45
Tesla's energy trading platform,
28:47
really important part of the future
28:48
of the company as well.
28:50
He said his worries go beyond policy,
28:52
not about politics, but really about lying,
28:54
manipulating, targeting minorities
28:57
and supporting climate change deniers.
29:00
I can't convince myself anymore
29:02
that this is the right place to be.
29:03
He said, and he closed out by saying,
29:05
I wish the best to everyone who will stick around
29:07
and keep working to accelerate the transition
29:09
to sustainable energy.
29:11
And I hope the best for Tesla energy, end quote.
29:13
It's interesting, I think most people
29:15
wouldn't take on such a famous influential person,
29:18
richest man in the world.
29:19
Obviously, in such a public way,
29:21
he would have known what he was saying
29:23
as pretty incendiary.
29:26
But it also shows, I think it also shows
29:28
the depth of feeling from people who work at Tesla,
29:33
all really good people, who are there
29:35
because of the mission, right?
29:36
And I think like a lot of Tesla owners,
29:39
the whole tie-up with politics and everything else,
29:43
like Elon Musk turned up to support
29:46
a far-right march in London last week
29:49
with a bunch of really very questionable characters
29:53
on the fringes of our political system
29:55
who have really terrible beliefs
29:59
about minorities and things like that.
30:02
And I just wish he wouldn't insert himself
30:03
in that, but here's his right to.
30:04
Of course it's his right, he can do what he wants.
30:07
But it's like, oh man, do I even mention this
30:10
on my podcast on Monday morning?
30:11
No, because who cares?
30:13
It's his personal life.
30:15
Just don't tie Tesla into it.
30:18
And by the looks of it,
30:19
it's even driven a long timer to leave the business.
30:22
But leave by certainly getting it all off of his chest.
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Wow, brave, I would say.
30:29
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