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Detective Mind Mapping: A Forensic Approach to Automotive Diagnostics [RR 1089]

Detective Mind Mapping: A Forensic Approach to Automotive Diagnostics [RR 1089]

Remarkable Results Radio Podcast Apr 28, 2026 37 min
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About this episode

Andrew Fisher breaks down a forensic, process-driven approach to automotive diagnostics, using mind mapping, pre- and post-scans, and disciplined data collection to narrow problems faster. He and Carm also dig into the bigger issue behind the technician shortage: shops that don’t invest in training. Fisher argues for at least 40 hours a year, more if possible, plus in-house learning, lunch-and-learns, and foundational refreshers. He shares personal stories about mentor Ken, learning from mistakes, and why humility and specialization matter in a high-tech industry.

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Topic

TST BigEvent

"we're at the TST BigEvent, the 23rd annual. This morning, I had the honor to listen to Andrew Fisher."

This sounds like a big automotive industry event or conference. The hosts are saying they’re there, which is why they’re talking to Andrew Fisher.

Company

Sergacin's Automotive

"Good. Shop manager out in northwest Indiana. And the name of the shop is? It's Sergacin's Automotive."

That’s the name of Andrew Fisher’s auto repair shop. It helps you know he’s speaking from experience working in a real shop.

Term

Diagnostics

"[121.1s] I did OBD, Diagnostics with OBD. [124.3s] So we went back to kind of bringing back technology [126.6s] that was talked about a lot 20 years ago. ... [164.8s] to come up with a great diagnosis, you landed in almost every great point"

Diagnostics is how a mechanic figures out what’s really causing the problem. Instead of guessing, they use clues from the car and tests to find the exact cause.

Term

OBD

"[119.2s] What was the title of that that I just watched? [121.1s] I did OBD, Diagnostics with OBD. [124.3s] So we went back to kind of bringing back technology"

OBD is the car’s self-check system. When something is wrong, it can store codes and sensor readings that a scan tool can read to help figure out the problem.

Concept

continuing education

"[148.7s] And no, this isn't necessarily going to be an episode on technology, [152.7s] except for the fact that Andrew believes in continuing education. [157.5s] He'll tell you how many hours he thinks you should have."

Continuing education in automotive repair means regularly updating skills and diagnostic methods as vehicle technology changes. Modern cars rely heavily on sensors, software, and scan-tool workflows, so ongoing training helps technicians stay effective.

Concept

diagnosis methodology

"[157.5s] He'll tell you how many hours he thinks you should have. [159.9s] And the methodology that Andrew uses to solve problems, [164.8s] to come up with a great diagnosis, you landed in almost every great point"

A diagnosis methodology is a systematic way to troubleshoot. Instead of jumping around, you follow steps to narrow down what’s causing the issue.

Concept

forensic approach

"You started off your speech by honoring someone who has been a great mentor to you... And grandpa was a gold school pollock... Go and take notes and the rest is history."

A forensic approach means you treat car troubleshooting like solving a mystery. You look for clues, test ideas, and confirm what’s actually wrong instead of just guessing.

Company

Delco

"but he got linked up with Ken when Ken was still teaching for Delco out in the Chicagoland area."

Delco is a name tied to automotive electronics. If someone worked for Delco, they likely had experience with the car’s electrical systems—things that are often key in diagnosing problems.

Concept

diagnose

"[263.8s] You say, hey, you may have better answers than I, but let me share with you [267.1s] how I interpret, how I diagnose. [270.5s] But you said some like important things like"

To “diagnose” means figuring out what’s really causing a problem, not just what part looks broken. A good approach uses evidence from the car (like codes and test results) to narrow down the real cause.

Term

scanner

"[314.9s] How much better are you between all the other resources? [318.5s] I mean, scanner dinner that you can't speak enough about, Paul, [321.7s] you know, you've got those resources."

A “scanner” is a device that plugs into your car and talks to the computer. It can show error codes that tell you what the car thinks is wrong, which makes diagnosis faster and more accurate.

Topic

training events and lunch-and-learns

"I mean, World Pack does their lunch and learns an hour a week and it's free. I mean, you're talking outside of holidays about 48 to 50 free events, 50 hours that you can attend just doing that during your lunch break."

They’re talking about going to free training sessions during the workday. The goal is to keep learning so you can diagnose car problems better.

Concept

learning curve

"then get it onto your chart that you spend 15 minutes in a learning curve. Part of I think was your point is if you're going to do your own personal case studies."

A learning curve just means it takes time to get good at something. Early on, you spend more time figuring things out, but it gets faster as you learn.

Concept

personal case studies

"Part of I think was your point is if you're going to do your own personal case studies. And not as because you want to go out and be a teacher, but if you record the things that you're learning, you could always search and go back and find out maybe there is a quick shortcut in how I diagnose this particular vehicle."

Instead of guessing every time, you keep notes from past problems you solved. Later, you can look back and find patterns that help you figure out similar issues faster.

Concept

ROI on training

"Jim Morton says it best. Training doesn't cost a pace, but then you hear how do you measure ROI on training?"

ROI just means “is it worth the money?” In a repair shop, training should ideally lead to fewer repeat problems and better fixes the first time.

Concept

comeback ratio

"I think the ROI is on the comebacks. If you're doing continued ed, your comeback ratio drops."

A “comeback” is when a car comes back because the problem wasn’t fixed right the first time. The comeback ratio is basically how often that happens.

Concept

continued ed

"You know, obviously we need more on board, but I do think, again, from my perception, because what I see, I think it's starting to get there. You hear it all the time. We don't have technicians."

Continued ed is extra learning after you’ve started working. It helps technicians stay current so they can diagnose newer cars more accurately.

Concept

technician shortage

"We don't have technicians. We don't have this. We don't have that. Well, you don't have text because you've never wanted to improve them. I think this technician shortage is kind of forcing a lot of shop owners to rethink the training aspect."

A technician shortage means shops can’t find enough skilled people to work on cars. When that happens, owners often have to invest more in training the technicians they already have.

Term

dyag

"is all high level dyag stuff. And when you take this stuff away and you commit to wanting to go to the next level..."

“Dyag” is just a slang way of saying “diagnostics.” It means figuring out what’s wrong with a car using the right approach, not random guessing.

Term

case study

"You did this great case study. Fifty percent of the room knew the answer to your case study and the other 50 percent didn't."

A case study is a real example of a problem and how it was solved. It’s useful because you can learn the steps and reasoning from someone else’s work.

Concept

continuous education

"But every day that you continue to grind away and do this continuous education thing, you're adding to the value that you bring to the shop you're working for."

This just means you keep learning over time instead of stopping after you get good at the job. In car diagnostics, that helps because cars and computer systems keep changing.

Term

60 hours

"And to say 60 hours, we're going to track it. A lot of the honor system."

The host mentions “60 hours” of continuing education and tracking it, implying a structured training requirement. This is an example of quantifying education so it becomes part of the shop’s culture and expectations.

Topic

Napa's team tool rebate

"We were doing some episodes recently on Napa's team tool rebate. And one thing that just recently hit me was if you can meet your educational training goals of ours when we get our tool money in October of every year..."

The hosts discuss a “tool rebate” program tied to training and tool purchases. This is relevant to shop operations because rebates can offset the cost of diagnostic equipment and encourage continued education.

Term

scan tools

"Because who is it saying? How many scan tools did you say? This case studies, I put these five scan tools on it to continue to prove that they were all right."

A scan tool is a gadget that plugs into your car to talk to its computer. It can show trouble codes and sensor readings so a mechanic can figure out what’s wrong. Using more than one scan tool can help verify the results are trustworthy.

Concept

specialist technicians

"But at the end of the day, I need a specialist in breaks and suspension. That's an alignment specialist. I need an engine tear down a trend. We need these specialists. And the only way we're going to create that is we have to train and build them in house."

Specialist technicians focus on a narrower area (like suspension, alignment, or engine teardown) rather than trying to be experts at everything. This can improve repair quality because they develop deeper experience with specific systems and common failure patterns.

Term

alignment specialist

"But at the end of the day, I need a specialist in breaks and suspension. That's an alignment specialist. I need an engine tear down a trend."

Alignment is adjusting the wheels so they point the right way. If it’s off, the car can pull and tires wear faster, so an alignment specialist fixes that.

Term

engine tear down

"That's an alignment specialist. I need an engine tear down a trend. We need these specialists."

An engine teardown means taking the engine apart to look for the real problem inside. Shops do this when the issue isn’t obvious from basic tests.

Term

calibration specialists

"And the more we tell our clients about our calibration specialists and our thermal management specialists and all these people that we continue to work hard to train so that we can give your car its due."

Calibration specialists update the car’s computer settings. After certain repairs, the car may need to be reprogrammed so everything works correctly.

Term

thermal management specialists

"And the more we tell our clients about our calibration specialists and our thermal management specialists and all these people that we continue to work hard to train so that we can give your car its due."

Thermal management is how the car keeps important parts at the right temperature. A specialist helps when cooling/heating problems cause the car to run poorly or protect components by limiting performance.

Concept

vetting what you're putting your technicians to

"Maybe they've sat in classes that they felt were sales pitches. I mean, we don't maybe sometimes we're not doing a good job vetting what we're putting our technicians to as well."

This is about making sure the training you send technicians to is actually worth it. It also means matching training to what your shop really needs, so people don’t waste time on the wrong stuff.

Concept

in-house training

"I know I get a lot more phone calls now than ever about coming in and doing in-house training versus going to the big events because of what it costs to bring their guys."

In-house training is when the training happens at your own shop instead of at a big conference. It often costs less and can be focused on the exact kinds of problems your technicians see most.

Concept

localized training

"I asked Keith about that today and I'm a very big proponent of, if you will, in-shop training, localized training."

Localized training means the training is customized to fit your local shop and the cars you work on. Instead of generic advice, it focuses on the real problems you see in your area.

Company

NAP AutoCare

"As a NAP AutoCare, you already know that your reputation is built on trust, reliability and service."

NAP AutoCare is a program that helps repair shops offer consistent service and warranty coverage. It’s meant to make customers feel safer when they pay for repairs.

Term

24 month, 24,000 mile peace of mind nationwide warranty

"That's why every member automatically provides customers with the 24 month, 24,000 mile peace of mind nationwide warranty."

That’s a warranty that promises coverage for a set time and mileage. If something covered goes wrong within that window, the shop is responsible for making it right.

Car

Ford Edge

"...overage your customer counts on and a competitive edge. You can't afford to overlook."

The Ford Edge is a mid-size SUV made by Ford. It’s designed to carry people and gear comfortably for regular daily trips. The “Edge” name is also used in the podcast line as a wordplay about having an advantage.

Term

36 month, 36,000 mile warranty program

"Want to deliver even more value? Well, you can upgrade to the 36 month, 36,000 mile warranty program."

This is a longer warranty than the basic one mentioned earlier. It gives customers more months and more miles of coverage if a covered issue comes up.

Company

NAPA credit card

"Even better, that extended coverage is also available when your customers use their NAPA credit card for qualifying repairs and service."

They’re saying using a specific credit card for certain repairs may qualify you for extra warranty coverage. It’s basically a benefits program tied to payment.

Term

OEM standards

"With quality NAPA replacement parts built to meet or exceed OEM standards, you're not just offering competitive pricing and reliability."

“OEM” means the original car manufacturer. Saying a part meets OEM standards means it’s designed to be the same kind of quality and fit as the original part.

Company

NAPA replacement parts

"With quality NAPA replacement parts built to meet or exceed OEM standards, you're not just offering competitive pricing and reliability."

These are replacement parts made by NAPA that are meant to be as good as the original parts from the car maker. The idea is that repairs should fit and work correctly, not just “sort of” work.

Company

NAPA AutoCare

"Hey, you know the technician shortage is real, but NAPA AutoCare has a solution at no cost to members. The NAPA AutoCare apprentice program builds tomorrow's technicians through a two year nine stage curriculum."

NAPA AutoCare is a training program run by NAPA. The idea is to help teach new mechanics so shops can find qualified technicians.

Term

shop management system

"Let's face it, your shop management system is the single most important tool in your shop, period. NAPA Tracks was built from the ground up to make your business more profitable and efficient."

A shop management system is the software a repair shop uses to keep everything organized. It helps the shop manage jobs and customers so work doesn’t get missed.

Company

NAPA Tracks

"NAPA Tracks was built from the ground up to make your business more profitable and efficient. We provide an extensive set of tools to increase and track profitability in real time."

NAPA Tracks is software for auto repair shops. It helps manage the business day-to-day—like organizing work and tracking performance—so the shop can run more smoothly.

Topic

remote refresher training

"Yep, on site and we offer remote refresher training 10 times a week and customer support is open six days a week."

Remote refresher training means extra training sessions you can do from anywhere. It helps keep shop staff up to date without needing someone to travel.

Company

Facebook community

"Give us a call, visit the website or join our Facebook community today to learn more. We'll prove to you that Tracks is the single best shop management system in the business."

They’re also telling listeners to join their Facebook group. It’s another way to get updates and ask questions.

Concept

pre-scan king

"So you're the pre-scan king self-proclaimed. [1388.9s] But yeah, pre-scan king. [1390.2s] Yeah, again, just covering yourself, you know, the pre and post scans."

A pre-scan is like taking a snapshot of the car’s warning codes before you fix anything. A post-scan is the same check after the repair to make sure the problem is truly gone. It’s a simple way to avoid fixing the wrong thing.

Term

pre and post scans

"But yeah, pre-scan king. [1390.2s] Yeah, again, just covering yourself, you know, the pre and post scans. [1393.4s] I don't think we press it enough."

You scan the car before work to see what it’s complaining about, then scan again after. That way you can confirm the fix actually worked, not just that the warning light went off temporarily.

Term

monitors

"If we see case in this class, we're talking monitors. [1403.7s] If I see a bunch of monitors that aren't set on a car, I need my client to understand [1407.5s] there's a possibility maybe they were suspended because of the problem we're dealing with."

Monitors are the car’s built-in tests that run in the background. If they’re not “set” yet, it can mean the car hasn’t finished its checks or something reset them, so you can’t fully trust the diagnostic results yet.

Concept

diagnostic communication

"It goes back to a Tracy was talking about communication. [1419.9s] We set them up with proper communication on the front end to prevent [1425.3s] comebacks or an ever since you type concern on the back end."

Communication here means explaining the plan and expectations to the customer before you start. If new warning codes show up later, the customer understands why instead of feeling like the shop missed something.

Term

comebacks

"We set them up with proper communication on the front end to prevent [1425.3s] comebacks or an ever since you type concern on the back end."

A “comeback” is when the car has to go back to the shop because the problem didn’t really get solved. Careful diagnostics and follow-up checks help prevent that.

Concept

systematic approach

"Do enough specialists use a systematic approach? I don't think so... So if you have a process built out for any type of situation you run into, I feel you build yourself up for success."

A systematic approach is a step-by-step way to diagnose problems instead of guessing. It helps you work logically from the most likely causes to the confirmed cause.

Concept

SOPs

"Well, yes, the shop is built around process or a good running shop is built around SOPs. Yes. Why are we not incorporating those into our service bay?"

SOPs are basically the shop’s “checklist rules” for how to do diagnostics and repairs the same way every time. When everyone follows them, it’s less likely that something important gets skipped.

Concept

process is never going to fail you if you've built it correctly and adapted it over time

"The process is never going to fail you if you've built it correctly and adapted it over time. You will fail it when you go rogue."

The idea is that if your checklist and steps are well thought out—and you keep improving them—they’ll prevent a lot of mistakes. It’s like updating your method based on what you’ve learned from past jobs.

Term

check engine light

"Right. So what I mean by that is every car that comes in in my shop for me with a check engine light on the initial inspection process is exactly the same until I pull the codes."

The check engine light means the car’s computer noticed a problem. It doesn’t tell you exactly what’s wrong by itself, so the next step is usually to scan the car for stored codes.

Term

pull the codes

"...every car that comes in in my shop for me with a check engine light on the initial inspection process is exactly the same until I pull the codes."

“Pulling the codes” means using an OBD-II scan tool to read stored diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs) from the vehicle’s computer. Those codes guide the next diagnostic steps and help narrow down whether the issue is sensor-related, mechanical, or related to emissions systems.

Term

misfire code

"So let's say I pull a misfire code and that's the client's concern. They've got a runability problem. It seems like it's not running right, bucking going down the road."

A “misfire code” means the car’s computer thinks the engine isn’t burning fuel properly in one or more cylinders. That can make the car run rough or feel like it’s jerking while driving.

Concept

flat rate

"And I know you guys are good friends with Justin Morgan. Justin Morgan, a few years ago, I sat in one of his classes and from a flat rate perspective, he said, we sell our souls six minutes at a time."

Flat rate means the shop gets paid a fixed amount for a repair, based on a time guide. That can make technicians try to work faster and more consistently.

Concept

detective mind mapping

"The whole systematic thing goes to what you talked about, the detective mind mapping. And when I've been listening to you this morning and you're saying that, I recently wrote a blog about forensics."

This is a way of organizing your troubleshooting so you don’t just guess. You map out possibilities step-by-step, based on what you find, so you can get to the real cause faster.

Concept

forensics

"And my thought is if you've ever watched a forensic files or any one of those types of shows and you look at how they approach this immediate crime scene"

Here, “forensics” means diagnosing like a detective. Instead of guessing, you use the clues from the car (like codes and symptoms) to figure out what’s really wrong.

Concept

CSI-style crime scene evidence board

"I remember walking in after talking with Hock in one day and she's watching, I think it was like CSI or something along those lines. ... they've got the crime scene and they've got pins and strings and pictures and pictures running to different probabilities."

They’re describing a visual way to keep track of clues. In car terms, it’s like writing down what you’ve checked and how each result points toward (or away from) certain problems.

Concept

mind maps

"that has mind maps already prebuilt into it and you just write them in. But I will mind map on a whiteboard what my problem is and write out. I'll link it to the probabilities."

A mind map is a diagram that helps you organize thoughts. Instead of guessing randomly, you lay out the problem and list possible causes in a clear, step-by-step way.

Term

fuel as ignition

"Is it fuel as ignition? Is it whatever? And then the other things that could cause that problem related to that system"

This phrase is pointing at how fuel and ignition work together to make the engine run. If something’s off, the engine may misfire, and the cause could be related to fuel delivery, spark/ignition, or both.

Concept

data acquisition

"and very systematically with data acquisition, I will go through and starts picking out what it can't be. Another guy I respect the heck out of Mr."

Data acquisition just means getting actual readings from the car, like sensor values. That way you’re not guessing—you’re using evidence to narrow down the cause.

Concept

funneling effect

"Another guy I respect the heck out of Mr. Jim Morton, the funneling effect. I want to funnel that car as quickly as possible to come up with my conclusion as fast as possible, or at least the system that is causing that and I can narrow my attention to it."

The funneling effect means you start broad—many possible causes—then use clues to narrow down to the most likely one. It helps you stop chasing random ideas and focus on what matters.

Term

don't start because there's no oil in it

"It started with don't start because there's no oil in it. But you put that little mini whiteboard on the dash..."

If there’s no oil, you shouldn’t start the engine. Oil is what lubricates the moving parts, and without it the engine can get damaged very quickly.

Term

whiteboard on the dash

"But you put that little mini whiteboard on the dash right there. So if anyone gets in and thinks that, oh, let's go move this car..."

The whiteboard is a quick note the shop leaves where everyone can see it. It helps prevent mistakes, like starting the car when it shouldn’t be started, and it reminds the next person what’s going on.

Concept

diagnostic workflow with approvals

"We're waiting on further approvals. That way, when it goes through our quality control process... it sees that whiteboard on there and knows..."

Sometimes a shop has to wait for permission before doing the next repair step. The important part is keeping the car organized and safe so the customer doesn’t get surprised by unfinished work.

Term

quality control process

"That way, when it goes through our quality control process, my QC person that jumps in, it sees that whiteboard on there and knows..."

A quality control (QC) process is the internal step where a shop verifies the work is complete and correct before returning the vehicle to the customer. In diagnostics, QC is especially important when repairs are declined or the car is brought back later, because it prevents incomplete work from being missed.

Term

hanging suspension parts

"And there's some that just flourish really well with, you know, hanging suspension parts and there's not rugged."

Suspension parts are the pieces that connect your wheels to the car. If they’re worn or installed wrong, the car can feel off—like it doesn’t ride smoothly or handle predictably.

Concept

foundational stuff

"I always tell them, I really like focusing on foundational stuff. OK, because in my opinion, the technical phone calls, the cars that come in from other shops, heck, even a lot of times,"

The hosts are emphasizing “foundational” diagnostic knowledge—starting with basics before jumping to advanced theories. In automotive diagnostics, strong fundamentals help you interpret symptoms correctly and avoid misdiagnosis when multiple systems could be involved.

Concept

technical phone calls

"OK, because in my opinion, the technical phone calls, the cars that come in from other shops, heck, even a lot of times, case studies you see in classes, it's really foundational."

They’re talking about diagnosing problems over the phone, not in person. That’s harder because you can’t immediately inspect the car, so you need a clear process to avoid guessing.

Concept

foundational aspect

"It's always comes back to a foundational aspect. And let's be honest, we learn so much through our careers. We forget some of the foundations."

In automotive diagnostics, “foundational” refers to the core principles you use every time—like how to interpret symptoms, verify faults methodically, and avoid jumping to conclusions. The host’s point is that advanced cases still rely on these basics, so periodic refreshers prevent gaps from forming over time.

Topic

online training

"So I'm a big believer, especially if you're doing like online training, you're doing it through NAPA, you're doing it through CarQuest, whoever you're doing it through, if they offer something foundational,"

The segment discusses using online training platforms from parts suppliers to keep diagnostic skills current. It’s framed as a recurring practice (quarterly) rather than a one-time learning event.

Company

CarQuest

"So I'm a big believer, especially if you're doing like online training, you're doing it through NAPA, you're doing it through CarQuest, whoever you're doing it through, if they offer something foundational,"

CarQuest is another large automotive parts and service supply brand that also supports training and education for technicians. The host is using it as an example of a provider that may offer foundational diagnostic refreshers.

Concept

Dunning-Kruger effect

"Matt talks about all the time, the Dunning-Kruger effect. You think you know about it, but you truly don't."

It’s when someone doesn’t know much about something, but feels confident anyway. In car troubleshooting, that can cause you to guess what’s wrong instead of checking the evidence first.

Term

mechanical conditioning

"when I do mechanical class, like mechanical conditioning, cylinder pressure analysis, I don't tell them up front what vehicle they're working on..."

Mechanical conditioning means getting the car into a consistent, testable state before you start diagnosing. It’s basically making sure the measurements you take will actually tell you something useful.

Term

cylinder pressure analysis

"And again, you're going to take something away as long as you go into it with an open mindset to, you know, I tell everybody, when I pull up... when I do mechanical class, like mechanical conditioning, cylinder pressure analysis, I don't tell them up front what vehicle they're working on..."

Cylinder pressure analysis is like taking a close-up measurement of how each cylinder is burning fuel. Instead of guessing, you can see whether the engine is compressing and combusting correctly.

Term

three six Chrysler

"because you're always going to get the guy in the background, guy or girl in the background going, oh, it's a three six Chrysler, it's always this. That's not what this is about."

“Three six Chrysler” appears to refer to a Chrysler 3.6-liter engine family, which some people may associate with certain recurring issues. The host is warning that preconceptions about a specific engine can bias trainees away from the actual diagnostic process.

Car

Chrysler Six Chrysler

"...r girl in the background going, oh, it's a three six Chrysler, it's always this. That's not what this is about..."

A “Chrysler Six” is an older Chrysler car that came with a six-cylinder engine. The podcast is likely correcting a misunderstanding about what that specific model is. It’s being mentioned to help listeners identify the right car and not assume it’s something else.

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