Drifting With A Mechanic; Where’s The Craftsmanship?

Awesome, and then Main State Dylan always always reliable always willing to help out. I do my best

He's actually the reason why I'm here why I joined in the logging grid. Oh, really?

Yeah, so you guys like buddies before we bumped into each other at cars and coffee

Actually, he came to my cars and coffee with a mutual friend of ours

And yeah, we just kind of just started chatting from there

He brought good vibes and I saw that when I followed him. I saw that he was doing YouTube

Trying to do like automotive media stuff kind of in the same realm as me

And so I just reached out and we've been friends ever since nice. Okay. You like this guy

So speaking to YouTube so tell us about yourself Hamilton, you know, what do you do for a living and you know?

What are the projects you got going on so for a job? I manage a private car collection. I take care about 20 supercars

We have five Bentley's five Ferraris

Three Porsches two Aston Martins and a 4 GT and a couple other cars. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's like exotics. Yeah, okay

And you said you manage. What do you what do you mean by that?

So I am the logistic organizer detailer mechanic

Transporter whatever the cars need I handle damn. I'm like a big car babysitter pretty much. Wow. That's an awesome

Yeah, that's like the dream job for all car enthusiasts. Yeah, for sure

I feel like and I'll probably ask you about this later, but it's it's one of those jobs like you hear mechanics getting like

Tired over the years and by the time they're like 25 26 like they're done

But maybe when you're in an atmosphere like that, it's a little easier to stick around. Yeah

I work with one other dude. He's 88. He's been working on Bentley since they first came out and oh, he's the reason why I'm there

He's teaching me how to work on all the Bentley's because soon he's just gonna

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's he should have quit by now. Yeah, he loves that cheese. So he's like kind of your mentor

Yep. Oh, wow. Okay. So what kind of cars are you working on like you said bent these?

So I imagine just Bentley's or like other like European exotics

We mainly work on like we have three Bentley's in the shop right now

But we also work on our Ferrari Tester Rosa Aston Martin DB5

Ar1 Zagato, oh, oh, yeah, okay, so it's not just Bentley's and you said for GT too

So even like some domestics thrown into the mix. That's the only car. We don't touch. Oh

Which which year for GT oh five. Oh, okay. Oh seven. Sorry. So the one they brought it out

Yeah, like the anniversary one and it has the heritage edition

Livery on it as well. Oh cool. Yeah

Well, the the most recent one was anniversary because it was like what 50 years

I think what the one that came out that um, they raced in Le Mans again and it won again. Yeah

Yeah, but the old five when I don't think they raced in Le Mans

That was just kind of like a car. They came out with just a you know pay homage exactly other street legal

Yeah, okay, so that's interesting man. So what is your YouTube channel? Oh my YouTube channel is Hamilton dot pool and

Pretty much I film all my car builds right now. I'm doing a s14 drift build

That's what the channel channels mainly based off of is drifting been drifting since 2019

And I just wanted to show my progress throughout the years of driving

Okay, so what kind of car do you drift? You said it was a s13 240 sx. Yeah, that's 14. I just bought it about

Three months ago. I had a 350z before that, but I

Unfortunately, it was just too far gone. The chassis was just too twisted

So I pulled the motor out because it was my first motor rebuild and I'm putting it into the s14. Oh, okay

Yeah, so is it the red one? No, that's the there's like a kooky red one that comes to car shows

It's not that one, right? No, you're probably thinking our mutual friend size car. Yeah, like a mostly stock one with

You know just with kitted out. Yeah. Yeah, okay. So which one is yours? Mine's the white one back on the lift right now

Okay, I gotcha. All right, so that's built mainly for drifting. Yep. I actually never driven the car really only drifted

Yep, I when I bought it had no motor no transmission no front-end or anything

So I'm bringing it back up from nothing. Okay, so you're pretty much making this car a survivor pretty much

Okay, so tell us about drifting and let's go there because I feel like we haven't talked much about drifting on this podcast that

Pretty much at all. Yeah

So I used to own a 300zx twin turbo, okay, right which it has

Four-wheel steering right the high-cast four-wheel steering

So, I mean, I know a lot of people delete them and all that but for the most part

That's one Nissan most people don't associate with drifting. Yeah, right like the 350 z's that came later

are pretty popular to 240s and you know for a while I used to say like damn like the 240s are coming up pretty big

Value-wise in the last like five ten years and I feel like I attribute it to the drift seat, right because I mean

It's it's the baby 300zx. I mean clearly the number says it all

You know, it's not a three-liter 300 horsepower twin turbo

So I was like what why are these getting so much, you know money lately and I got I imagine right?

It's the drift seat. Yeah, right. It's been so popular lately like like I know what was it?

2000s was when

Tokyo drift came out, right and that I feel like for my generation at least changed the like the landscape of the drift scene because it wasn't that popular

You know back then at least in my group of friends, but it's I feel like it's having a resurgence now

That's so so go ahead and shed some light on drifting has been blowing up recently

Like it's getting massive now. We have not just the United States anymore

We have Ireland those are probably one of the best drifters out there now

They have kids around 12 years old getting into competitions now with the professional drivers and just to talk on that s13

Just the s chassis in general the suspension setup on that chassis is amazing. That's probably one the number one reasons

Why it's used the most from stock. Yeah. Oh, wow, okay

So what about the s14 because I feel like s14s are

You know, it's the 90s one right like it spend most of its generation in the 90s

And I feel like I see those more, you know every time I see an s13. It's pretty clapped out, right?

So like what about like which which of those two is better for drifting?

So, uh, that's a really tough question

answer I would say

a

Competition wise

I might get some heat for this but the s14 is probably the number one winning chassis out there right now, okay

S13 obviously those came to the States first. So that's what everyone could get their hands on first

That's 14 is a little bit more expensive to get into so that's why you see a lot more s13s, but

Set up for setup. I'd say they're

Pretty equal, but I feel like the s14 has a little bit better advantage compared to the s13

Okay, then maybe that explains why, you know, you see more kind of beat up s13s around

Because they were like the first ones that were a little bit more affordable

For people getting into the scene early on like maybe in the early 2000s after Tokyo drift

The s14s were still, you know, not a very old car and maybe a little bit more prohibitive to get into

Yeah, so maybe I don't know. Maybe there's something to that definitely

But the s13 market has blown up recently

I've had two buddies buy theirs for 13 grand apiece. Wow, okay

So tell us about the chassis you mentioned that like that's one of the key things to making a good drift car

So what is it? What do you look for in a in a vehicle's chassis when it comes to drifting?

One just first

Just make sure it's straight. You don't want to write of course

Uh, I'm still learning about the s chassis right now. I'm mainly in a BMW kid

I can't I sort of the e36 and the e46 then a z now s13 than an s14

Okay, so I'm still learning a lot more about them. So my knowledge isn't too big on the s chassis right now

I just know that they're a great car

I have a lot of buddies that drive them and they've done a lot with them so far

And there's a lot of aftermarket too like aftermarket support is

Massive for that car right and that's usually what's key in most like

Off-roading for example drift like in this case drifting anything that's like you're doing with the vehicle like that's

You can't just keep a stock car, right?

The only way it's going to be popular that particular model is if there's a ton of aftermarket support

So that makes sense. Well, I imagine like the rigidity of a of a chassis like, you know

It's got to have some kind of flex, right? It has to be able to like

Withstand all this aftermarket, you know, they can take a good beating right, right?

So

Yeah, it's it's interesting that when you look at a car and say oh what makes a good drift car because I would always ask people like

What why why does everyone use 350s?

You know now that car I'd say it's a great car to get into

It's very easy to drive and aftermarket support is there for it. You don't need much to get that car going

Mine was pretty much bone stock and I could do a full event of zero issues

I can keep up with everyone and everyone that has driven a z they all say the same thing

It's super easy to drive. Yeah and enough power too. I mean with a 350 z

It's plenty of power to drift

People get away with drifting with less power. So, you know, it's around 289 horsepower. It does the job

Yeah, right. We actually talked about the 350z on this podcast

Remember we did like a who am I?

And we were saying like because we were talking about cars that we think are gonna go up in value that no one really is talking about right now

Um, you know, everyone's talking about mark four Supras and nsx's and things like that

But we were like, okay

What's the next jdm car to go up in value that people are not really, you know talking much about and

The 350z we feel because of the drift scene, you know, because it needs usually layers to with the car like it can't just be

Oh, it has like it was very analog. Okay, but what was it? What made it special, right?

Like was its predecessor

Way worse or the car that

Pretty much came after it like never, you know, had the same character, right? It's usually something

Um, and I feel like the 350z like, you know, it was still lighter than the 370

It you know, the drift team the drift team the drift scene

Obviously helps it

But it also has that classic z design like that silhouette, you know

And and it it changed the the z like obviously it's way different than the z32, you know

So it has something unique about it and and then

Think about it the kids that grew up with those cars, you know, watching tokyo drift. Was it in tokyo drift?

I think it was yeah the dk's car. Yeah, exactly. So

Anything that has the the need for speed not need for speed the tokyo drift the um, yeah, what's the name of the movie?

Fast and the furious

Anything that was in fast and the furious all those cars have gone up in value, you know

So it has that too. So we'll see. I mean, I I think the 350, you know, nothing against the 370

But I feel like the 350 was the most analog version and still very modern and contemporary

It has all the creature comforts that like a z32 didn't have so the sweet spot

Yeah, also a lot of automotive youtubers a lot of big drifters that vlog all their stuff

When say adamel z he got into the 3pt scene

Prices went up. Really. Yeah. It was insane

Everyone wanted to copy its build. It was just super simple

But just raised the prices. Yeah, but we've been seeing a lot more that nowadays with these youtubers

They get car and then everyone else wants to copy them. Yeah

Yeah, you see the guy that just like does selfie style like videos like freestyle

Uh, he used to in the beginning now. He has a full a full production team. Yeah, okay makes sense then

All right. So tell us one last thing about drifting. Where do you go drifting?

Depends on where you're at. Is it like autocross like where do you go? So I go to apple valley spree speedway. Okay

But i'm originally from morgan. So we had multiple tracks up there. We had pathakers. We have spirit peaks raceway evergreen speedway

metford organ

Affinity circuit and then we have villain sports land as well

Okay, so there's a bunch of me if i'm wrong, but you're from organ, right? Yeah, okay morning raised

so

Follow-up question

What makes it what makes it special like i've never been drifting before so like what is it that gets people hooked?

I'll say this. There's nothing else like it. I always tell it to everyone and everyone i've given them a ride to

They're always scared at first

I say I tell them after the first corner

I'll all go away and every time it's right

Everyone's just hooked. There's no other feeling like it to be able to go that fast

Sideways and be able to control it. It's nothing else like it. Yeah, interesting. Have you ever been drifting? Tell me

I've ridden passenger

and of course over the years

Done donuts and stuff in cars that i've owned but i've never

been to like a proper track and actually tried to like go through the paces of

Learning all the dynamics of car control

You know that type of car control at least I see that's another thing just when I was first getting into it

I just go to events watch people get in cars and just watch them drive and to see their footwork

How their hand motions

It's something else to see. Yeah

And the guys who are good at it. I've noticed in videos. They're doing a lot less like steering inputs and stuff like that

They're not really wrestling the wheel so much, you know, once you get better

Okay, just something I've noticed. Yeah

So I want to move on to talk about a few things here at analog and grit. So dylan, uh, you've been at the shop a lot lately

So and so

Yeah, no, I've been here a lot. We've been busy. So uh, just been helping out as much as I can

So sunday grit this upcoming sunday. Yep, right and uh, I know that october fest was the uh next event for

For obviously october october 25th, which conflicts with radwood

So you're going to be bringing the geo storm to radwood. I will be yeah, I plan on it

Okay, uh might be the only one there

I likely will be because the only other so cow guy that I've met

Uh, he just got rid of his storm. So

Yeah, I'll probably be the only one there and I plan to drive it there and drive it back. So

Uh, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it. Nice. And then the dash cam. I feel like is uh, is a must

Oh, yeah, it would be a good idea for me to put a dash cam. It's a good idea for any car

Doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't matter what you're doing. Cameras don't lie

Just to see people's reactions like you said at rancho santa fe

I got you more like a set up a gopro or something. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Okay

Because you said last time at rancho santa fe you got a bunch of people stopping and yeah, yeah

Oh, look at that geo metro

Yeah, no, it's funny people's reactions are good and the people who really nerd out over it. I could tell they're like

Real they're like seriously like car nerds, right if they can they can appreciate it

Past just like if they if their love for cars is past just like super cars and the cars that everybody else likes

Right, then they get it. Yeah

No, I mean, it's it's an obscure unique car. It's perfect for radwin

I love it. It has a beautiful side profile too. I wish our viewers could see

Pictures of it. Yeah, I photo shop some photos of it slammed on different wheels and yeah, it's a good looking little car

Yeah, I posted some of it already. I mean, I think it's so

It's so 90s like, you know

Econo box but with some flair

Totally, you know, because it's a coupe, right? And then it has some characteristics of like the camaro of its time and

Yeah, it's it's a cool car. I mean, obviously it's not, you know, a sports car

But it's technically a coupe with a manual. So

It's gonna be a sports car once I put the quail overs on it. There you go

You guys just wait

So, um, let's talk about marketplace then. So you have a few cars for sale right now. We do some cool ones

Go ahead. Yeah, we just picked up a

Um, uh, 1991 miata

Um, original owner or I'm sorry not not original owner, but they bought it when it was a year old

So they it's spent most of their life with them. It's more or less a one owner car

Uh 86,000 original miles and it's completely bone stock and unmodified. They've done nothing to it but maintenance

Um, it came with they ordered it with some like wood grain interior bits

That was like a dealer add-on

There were a few different kits available that you could pay for at the dealer

If you wanted to kind of spice up your miata a little back in the day

So all that's in good shape. Uh, it's clearly been very well taken care of

Okay, and the miata is a na 91. You said yeah 91 white na miata

Soft top

And uh, yeah, the ace it's nice. It feels

Like a brand new 1991 miata. Nice who people drift miatas. Yep, they do my buddies had a couple that dripped on

Yeah, we have a mutual friend that drives a miata, right? So I feel like

You know, miata is always the answer. So I imagine like even in the drift scene it it'll check that box too, right?

So that's that's funny. It just has a shorter wheelbase though, right?

Is that something that people run into or that like kind of conflict with at all?

Yeah, with the miata it's it's a tough car to drive. It's very snappy, but also slow at the same time

So you have to be very committed to drive that car

Interesting got to be able to toss it into corners a little harder. Yeah, I see carry your momentum

I'm trying to convince our buddy to start drifting his really. Okay

Yeah, I always thought it wasn't a drift car because it's a convertible, you know

I feel like convertibles aren't really they don't have that same rigidity, you know that stiffness

That I would think you'd expect to have on a on like a drift car. That's a coupe

But I mean, it's so light, you know, so it's you get it's tossable, right?

So what else the fun of the miata? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh, what do they say? It's a slow car. You can drive fast

Yeah, that's the best

It's the best car to learn how to drive in to learn how to drive drive like track or

You know, what have you right even a manual in general like I feel like that shifter. It's so easy. It's so notchy

It's so easy to learn. Yep. You know, I love the feel of those

So there's one more car on cars and bids right now. Yeah. Yeah, we have a car right now. That's uh live on cars and bids

It's a 2013 mercedes e 63 amg

and it's kind of a special car it's um

For those of you who know that generation number cities, you might know that there's a a facelift and a pre facelift and

You know, it's kind of in the eye of the beholder which one is preferred

But what makes ours interesting is it comes from the one year

2013

That you could get the twin turbo v8 in the pre facelift model after that it was all

Before that it was na

Um, then they switched to the twin turbo for one year with the pre facelift

And then from there it was all of the the newer generation of cars

And um, another thing that's interesting about it is the color. Uh, it's a designo color. So

Our mercedes nerds will know what designo is. It's kind of like, uh

I guess more of like a luxury trim package, but it's rare. It's always been rare in mercedes

You don't run into very many designos. I feel like I see him a lot on g wagons

Yeah, you might find them on more of like the bespoke mercedes

But to find a designo like e-class or s-class is is a little bit less common and they came with some cool features

In fact, my mom had one

Back in the day that had reclining rear seats that was only on the designo

but I digress the uh

The e 63 is a tremendous value and whoever picks that car up. They're getting

One hell of a car for what they're probably going to pay for it. I mean

P 30 performance package is another thing on that car and that brings the horsepower from 515 to 550

And it brings the torque from like 540

Ish all the way up to 590. So almost 600 foot pounds. Yeah, that's impressive. Yeah

My cousin owns one. Uh, forget what year, but I imagine it's somewhere in the

I mean, it's such a it'll be such a big difference if it was a 12, right? Because then it would be naturally aspirated

But I think his is the the bi turbo and he's like you need to go get one

You need he always tells me you need to buy one. Um, and uh, but i'm not a mercedes guy

So i'm always like nah like I'd rather own it now for a mayo or well

An e-class is an easy car to fall in love with like I always tell people like it doesn't matter who you are

Whether you're a car enthusiast or not if you end up daily driving a mercedes-benz e-class regardless of which generation it is

There's just something about them that just feels right like, uh

They handle predictably they might not be as sharp as like the competitive bmw, but they handle very predictably

They're comfortable. They're always generally reliable and well sorted

And they get a lot of the good mercedes features

Without being over complicated, right? So

They have all the creature comforts, but they don't have like

Dynamic ride control and all this other stuff that makes them a little more tedious to own

Yeah, I feel like the biggest appeal and correct me if i'm wrong is that it's a performance car

With the luxury

Comfort of a mercedes-benz, right? Like and it's a it's not just like

A coupe or and is this one the I know they didn't make coupes, right? Uh, not for the well actually technically

Yeah, they did make them for the e-class for a little bit, but there are few and far between

Yeah, most the majority are four door all of the

amgs or four door, right? So like an amg

Sedan that's an e-class which is not your entry level, you know c-class at the time

Like it's a luxury performance car. It's a muscle car in a tuxedo. Right is what it is. He's always he's always got the best metaphors

Yeah, yeah, I mean when you hear the rumble from that engine

And it just if you drive one of those and you turn the traction control off

It just wants to smoke the tires right off it like it truly it has that muscle car sound

It has that muscle car feel. I mean, it's a v8

ours with the p30 package has a limited slip diff so

It just it's very eager to get sideways and you know, if you're not careful

Maybe get yourself in a little bit of trouble

But uh, it's it's a car that you can cruise at at 80 and you won't hear a sound

So it's it's just a really good balance, right? You said you're a bmw guy. Yeah, so what do you think about?

Mercedes-benz is from like the 2010s

Love them love them me and my family growing up. We're a bmw and Mercedes. Okay. All right. So not just be okay

because I always like not sure when people at bmw guys

I feel like they could technically not like

Mercedes and vice versa. Oh, well, you know, I'll be the first to tell you that I'm not a bmw. Yeah, see like

But do you think that you leaned into bmw because it's kind of more

Towards like what you're trying to do as far as like track or drift racing. Yes

So I I look at bmw as more performance compared to Mercedes if I want a Mercedes. I want a nice s-class and

A nice smooth ride compared to bmw and even as a Mercedes guy like I agree with that sentiment

Like I think there's something there's something to that for sure

Yeah, yeah, I feel like cuz Ford and like Chevy and you know, there's always that competition

I feel like that's the european, you know competition or rivalry so to speak

But at the same time like I feel like car enthusiasts are starting to like, you know, everyone's appreciating european

You know luxury performance cars, you know, I mean anything cool. Yeah, I mean anything cool. How can you go wrong? So

Awesome. All right. So that's uh, gonna be ending soon

Yeah, it's gonna be ending on friday. Um, I don't know the exact time off the top of my head

But uh around noon give or take so

Tune in

So e 63 amg 2013 live on cars and bids right now live on cars and bids beautiful unit

Cool. It is so uh back to hamilton

So I wanted to ask you now more about like your experience as a car mechanic

Right or have you been doing it for a long time? I've been doing it for about when I say

Eight years now eight years. Yeah, okay. And you said you work on all types of exotics. How about like regular cars?

Yep, uh started started off with a e 36. That's how I learned. Okay. So you learned on and that was your e 36 bmw

You had okay. So I mean, I feel like one of the most

like intriguing topics whenever I talk to anyone who

You know works professionally as a mechanic

is

Which cars are the easiest and the worst to work on because my 300 zx, you know, one of its

You know, yeah, you already know

One of its, uh, you know issues is that engine bay. It's really tight

Right and I've always had that in the back of my mind if something was to go wrong

You know, how are we going to get to the e g r? How are we going to get to all the hoses even, you know?

so

I mean, I've owned it for like three

And a half years or so I would say maybe maybe around three years

And there was a few times where I sweated because you know, I was I was afraid they weren't going to be able to get to certain parts

um, so

Which in your experience is probably the hardest car to work on?

Hmm

the 36

I'd say if you're really not committed to it then the e 36 and e 46 will make or break you

Really? Yeah, I'm surprised to hear that actually what that what like, uh, well, what wouldn't be the s 52 would be the um

Like the non m version. So what is it that's challenging?

Just any old brittle part in that engine bay. I've had multiple people be like

Oh, yeah, it's super easy to work on which it actually is but then I've also had other people like, um, and this sucks

Trying to take out the transmission and the e 36. I will say that

That's what killed me

My buddy told me he was like I'd rather pull out the entire motor and transmission together

Then try to pull out just the transmission and try to put it back in

And I agree it. It's very tough to put back in so it's not a very fun clutch job. No

But also people that want to get into drifting

an e 36 chassis is amazing platform to get into and an e 46 is as well

but when it with the e 46 you get to drop the subframe and do

uh

subframe reinforcement

And it's kind of a tough job to do if you don't have the proper space to do it

Gotta be a fabricator. Yeah, or just know a buddy, right right in my case. I just knew a buddy

Yeah, okay. What would you say is the easiest cars to work on?

The z 350 z. Really? Yeah, I never had any issues with that car. It has a lot of space in the engine bay

Transmission is super easy to get out. Um

Rebuilding the motor super simple

Wow, never had any complications doing it and that's the v. What is it the v q 3 and a half liter? Yep v q 35 de

Okay, interesting. So what when I said what's like the hardest car?

I thought you were going to say like a a Bentley like a zore something like exotic like that

He said a three-series vmw

Uh

When it comes to the exotic cars, I want to say all of our bentley's are super easy super simple

Really? So why did they charge so much money? I'm sorry to interrupt but those are older cars, right?

Much older cars. So maybe they're like just inherently simpler. Well, hold on e 36

It's like 90s, right early mid 90s. So our bentley's are from the 50s. Oh

These are all really old stuff coach built. Oh

Okay from the 50s. Yeah, okay. That's different. Yeah, okay, but we also I work on

Our testarosa. Okay. All right. There you go. So that's still technically what late 80s 90s

Is ours is a 95 95? Okay. So

That's a that's a 12 cylinder. So, okay

Fun fact, it's you know why it's a testarosa

It'll test your patience

So testarosa in Italian means red head

Right, so the heads are painted red. So that's why it's testarosa. I see. Yeah, that fits

Yeah, so tell us about that. How difficult does it work on that thing?

It's not too bad. You would think it'd be worse

There is some mickey mouse stuff. You'll you will find in there with all Italian cars. Yeah

If I haven't had too much too many problems working on it, it was pretty simple. I will say

Now if

O-ring goes bad or a gas goes bad next to your cams, you're gonna have to pull the whole motor out just to do it because the

The way the cams are set up, they go all the way through and they have a gear that sits outside of it

Past the cover and you can't just take off the cover and replace it. You had to just drop everything and pull it all apart

Damn, okay, and then I did the speed sensor on that

That was kind of a problem

The way they have it set up it's

Right next to your oil pan and it's tucked up in a corner and you need a special tool to get it out

Oh, really? Yeah, you can't just take a regular range to get it out and this is just a like for the speedometer

Wow

I don't think that in most cases would be typically pretty easy. Yeah a lot of cars

Yeah, because you could like usually it's a cable, right?

And then like if you spin it if it's like sometimes it seizes or something like that

But this is like an actual sensor that that that goes to the car. I see

Interesting actually kept it with me. Oh, yeah the tool. No

The speed sensor is like a token. Yeah your achievement

Right. Yeah, I mean doesn't most ferrari's come with its own little toolkit usually

It does luggage toolkit and all that stuff. You're gonna need it. Yeah. Oh, yeah

Okay, that's cool. I mean, I feel like testarosa is like an iconic car at least in my generation

So to work on that that's that's pretty cool. I will say though if you're trying to figure out certain things

they're

What type of oil it takes or just simple

Mechanic issues the book will tell you so much, but the thing that you want to know will not have it

Yeah, dig through all the forums to find out for the oil. They'll tell you

Use the ferrari recommended oil. Okay. What is it? So I have a question for you

Do you think that's because ferrari has always kind of gone out of their way to be more exclusive?

And they kind of want to just

Have you just take it to the dealer? I would think so. Yes

Yeah, so they go out of their maybe they go out of their way a little bit to make your life harder if they want you to spend the money

Yeah, yeah

Interesting, you know, I always thought like ferrari was very traditional, you know, like they don't like when people modify their cars

They don't want you on social media, you know showing off a car and and putting a wrap on it and making it look like

You know or bling down and things like that because it takes away from you know

The essence of the brand right their brand image is so important to them

You know, they don't even like deliver cars to like famous car

Like youtubers to do drag races in because they don't want their car to lose

Right, unless they have a ferrari driver driving that car

Like they won't sign off on that car

Like for example, the new their latest vehicle that they just came out with they won't like just give it to anyone as a press car

like it's

Way difficult to get a ferrari right if you're a youtuber

I mean you you're a youtuber, you know like it's such like a interesting thing because lamborghini is not like that

Not at all, you know

So and you know they they're kind of I would say similar in a sense that they're both italian supercar companies

And it's just their brand image is so important to them. It's crazy, you know

It kind of works though because a lamborghini just feels like less exclusive to me

I mean

If you go to any supercar event, you're gonna see

10 lamborghini's for one ferrari

Without fail true. Yeah, I mean you did you did say you were pretty surprised how many ferraris are at car week

Oh, yeah, but that's car week

I feel like if you're gonna find them, that's the place. Yeah, that's how I met my boss was at car week

And that same day he bought a ferrari. Oh, wow like at one of the auctions. Yep. He bought a 488 piece of spider

Oh, wow a pista. Dang love driving that car. I think it's an absolute monster. Yeah

My buddy had a 488, but it wasn't a pista. Okay, and that was the first ferrari

I've ever like drove what you think and I mean it was just so like

it was

Vicious, you know like like you just like tap on the throttle

All the controls were on the steering wheel like it was weird to do the signals with your thumbs

Yeah, right like to to you know do a turn signal. So all that stuff you had to get used to in the beginning

Um, but I didn't drive it, you know, it was he was letting me borrow it

You know, he trusted me and I was like, I'm not gonna drive this thing hard. We just drove it around where he lived

Um, you know got in the freeway, but I remember like like it would roll back kind of like a manual

Like you know what I mean like even though it wasn't

Um, but yeah, you had to really like get used to that throttle. Oh, yeah response. It was it was different

You'll lose it quick if you don't

Yeah, so but it was cool. I mean, I feel like the 488 like I told him I was like

Looking back you probably should have got the 458 since it was naturally aspirated and people, you know, like going back to the

AMG E class like people I feel like are starting to gravitate towards more analog cars and naturally aspirated usually

Goes hand in hand with analog. Not always and the sound the sound

I mean the sound of the 458 big thing for a lot of people

Yeah, and at the time I'm speaking for Mercedes v8s when the

AMG

6.3 v8s came out. It was the highest horsepower naturally aspirated v8 for like five years

Yeah, um, and people remember that and as we kind of transition away from

v8s, it's they become more desirable for that reason

I'm glad you brought up the 458 because my boss also has one

He's a speciale nice and I actually did a youtube video. I never released it

But I did a comparison on which one would be a better daily driver

Hmm. That's a cool topic. Yeah

458

488 was better for a okay

And you know what now that you say that my buddy told me that's why he went with the 488

Because it was just a little bit more contemporary. So with the 488, you know, you have the electric lift in the front

Better sound deadening better stereo system

But if you want to have a nice weekend warrior, it's funny to say that with Ferrari, but

The 458 is the car to to have yeah

Yeah, no, I agree with you. Yeah, I think the 488 like I think of cars from like a market standpoint

You know, I yeah, it has the more creature comforts

But to me like it's not the one to have simply because it doesn't have that same sound like the 458, right?

So

All right, I wanted to ask you actually about

Reliability, okay, because I feel like you know with cars like I'm always defending. I'm a big alpha Romeo guy

I'm always defending alphas because people think like say, oh, they're so unreliable

You know, um, and it's like they're not any more unreliable than

A european exotic like or not exotic but like an outie from the the 90s or anything that has mickey mouse stuff

You know, they mean the british cars especially i'm always defending my

VQ i'm putting in my car everyone hates it but i'm always defending yeah

Is it like just simply because of the sound like I was hearing that yeah, that's all yeah

That's pretty much the crux of it. I say it burns oil

But it's like any other car you put an oil cooler on it put a proper exhaust on it perfectly fine

Right and you said it's super easy to work on right easy. So there you go. I mean people need to realize these things, right?

um

Because think about longevity you want something that's going to keep the car on the road and obviously you could always change the sound

Right, you could always figure that part out

um, but I wanted to ask you what is to you based on your experience the most

unreliable car brand or car in general to work on

hmm

That i've worked on so far. It's all been pretty reliable for me

uh

Uh, I'll say the most unreliable car that I haven't worked on probably a jeep

Really? Yeah

And that's just from you've seen him coming in and out of the shop

Yep, my buddy was a service advisor for them and he'd always tell me the horror stories

Which we're talking Wranglers or we're talking like four cylinder jeeps

Wagoneers

Like the new ones. Yeah, really the wagoneers are horrible

Okay, and this is what the hurricane engine

because they they had the 3.6 pentastar up until like the

One was they they kept it in the jl. I think in the current Wrangler

But I feel like um the wagoneers. I don't think have that same engine. I think they they've changed it

But what is it exactly that is it electric stuff? Like what's the issue? Yeah a lot of electric problems

he didn't go into

Too much detail on what's going on with them, but you I would always see one in this shop

Consistently you get to pull the entire

Body off the chassis to get to anything. It's horrible. Really. Yeah. Wow

You're not the first person. I've seen say that I've seen other things online

And I have a friend who is also a transmission tech at Chrysler

And he has said that their problem cars are the wagoneers

The hornet

Which is like shared with the alfa Romeo the tonale or the toenail as I call it

And um all of like the hybrid minivans like the pacificas in the cross countries. I love that minivan

It's a good bang for your buck. It's the minivan. I mean, it's the minivan. So I can't can't hold that against you. Yeah

Yeah, okay, so

electrical stuff transmissions

I always knew like four cylinder jeeps like the compass the patriot the the Cherokee

Those were all trash. Um really really bad cars. I mean, I would never recommend those but like the um

The six cylinder's like the the penistar the three six was way better than the 3.8

Then the four liter that was in the jeep wrangler like up until oh six

Those are all solid engines and you never really hear much about their transmissions

But I feel like wranglers are probably when people ask me like our jeeps good, you know

I always say just go to grand Cherokee or a wrangler, you know, like the wranglers are pretty bare bones

There's not that much electrical stuff going on

Which helps right because most of the stuff like you said wagon here. Do you know how much electronics that thing has?

Man, it's crazy. You know, it's like just too much going on with that car. Yeah

It's like more than like a like a navigator, you know, like they made the

The funny thing is is they don't even put jeep on that car the name

Like they just want it as the wagon here, right, you know, because it's like the luxury jeep

So all right interesting. So I got asked and if that's the most unreliable then what would be not the vq

Not the not the z. All right, not the 350z. What would be the most reliable car that you would recommend?

Oh, that recommend for what purpose daily driving. No, like for a car enthusiast car enthusiast

BMW 330i

G20

So that's an inline six and inline four. Oh, okay. What's the g20? What generation? That's the newest generation

Oh, that's actually what I daily drive. Really? Yeah, you work on your own car. Obviously. Yep

I have 106,000 miles on that car one drift event on that car and zero issues

Okay, and that's a current three series. Yep. Wow. Okay b48

Now people are gonna say like

Oh, the new three series has electric power steering and you know, it's not an ultimate driving machine anymore

What do you say to that that car is the ultimate driving machine

I can hit any back road and get the same feel when I had my e46

I drifted that and with the new g20. I took that to a track event and it felt the same

There's hardly any difference that car feels amazing. Yeah, I think it's more with feedback

Right, like you're not getting the same feedback. It's not that it's not going to be dynamic anymore

It's not gonna perform great. It's like people want that feedback from an analog car and

Time changes things evolve, right? So electric power steering is the next best thing

I will say just to kind of piggyback off what hamilton was saying is

I'm not really surprised that he said a modern BMW is one of the best ones to get in because

it is pretty impressive like

People will bag on modern cars and and how much they have going on in their difficulty

But ultimately after so many years of developing and building cars, they figure out how to just make them more reliable

like

for example, another good one kind of in the same avenue as a modern three series is the

five-cylinder outies like the the daza engine they call it in like the outie rs 3s

Those are incredibly good engines people are are tuning them to make

Insane power with bolt-ons and not even thinking about it. You know, so

uh

I've been kind of had an epiphany lately that maybe I want to give modern cars a little more credit

For a new supra that with the b58 zero issues

b58 motor is very reliable

You take a lot of power and that's uh, that's a straight six, right? Yeah

Yeah, I I've been saying this for the last year now

I feel like the manual supra the the current gen

Is going to be the next it's going to be a car to hold on to it's going to take a minute

Like I don't feel like they've fully depreciated yet

But if you can get a manual supra with the the b58 like like yeah, everyone's hating on it right now

You know, I think they stop production, right?

They keep saying they're stopping. I keep seeing another one come out. Yeah all up in the air

Yeah, I at the end of the day, they're not there's not that many out there

Right everyone bought the automatics in the first few years, right?

There was a 2020 to like 2023 then they announced the manual finally and now everyone's just buying the manuals

I think it's like 80 to 20 manuals to automatics because everyone who didn't buy one was waiting on a manual, right?

So now they're buying them up, but it's still like really low production. Like I think the mt

90 whatever it was called that that a model they only came out with like 500 of them

And it was like see you later gray

There's only a few colors that came out with like heart like ones like that like like, you know, usually

Special editions don't really do well and like in the after you know afterward down the road

But this one's a manual like that's I think they're gonna be the key thing

Have you driven the the manual supra? I have not yet. It's a it's a pretty decent shifter like it's that gearbox like

I remember driving it and just thinking like

It's not nachi like, you know, like a like a miata, let's say

Or but it also doesn't feel like your typical m3 like manual transmission either, you know, like it's um

I would say like

Somewhere I don't know if it's a zf or what I forget who makes it but um, it was it was solid

Okay, it wasn't like it didn't it didn't take from the car. You're not driving it and saying, you know what?

I wish I had the automatic, right? It adds to the car, right? At least to the analog experience

So I think that's all that was that was the most important thing that Toyota needed to do

Another thing in regards to the supra too is I heard a youtuber

Not too long ago say like you'd be hard-pressed to find a bad inline six

You know, and I think that's generally true

I mean even when it comes to like a a jaguar or you know, everybody thinks xj

xj wrangler with the inline four liter inline six like those are all good engines

Even like the companies that are known for

You know questionable reliability. Yeah can still make a pretty good inline six. Yeah

Yeah, because there's like less friction, right on a straight six balanced incredibly. Well, yeah

Oh another car. I will say for reliability a camry

I love I love camry. Well, that is the like whenever you want like when you said

For an enthusiast or a daily driver like I figured you'd say a camry if I said daily driver

That's what you would tell a camry would be what you would recommend to your friend

Who's like not into cars who wants your help like that's fair you tell them to buy a camry, you know or an accord maybe

Yeah, but they look great. They do. They're starting to get a little sporty, but

Yeah, don't they have doesn't a base model camry have like 230 horsepower. They make some jam now

Yeah, you can get like an xse and it looks super sporty. It don't has um, you know, those uh nice sporty wheels

A little spoiler quad exhaust. He always says team mobile managers drive the uh,

TRD the TRD version. Yeah, you know, that's his

metaphor for

um, so

Yeah, anyway, so okay, so couple uh, so a Toyota and a BMW for reliable. All right, so you work on old Bentley's

Let's go to the old cars. Okay, so

What's different about these cars like like obviously, you know, everyone, you know

Knows that they're as simpler or more simple craftsmanship craftsmanship. Okay, so elaborate on that the way they used to build them

So all we have all four Bentley's at our shop right now. They're all coach built. They have mahogany

Dashboards just the simplicity of how they were built back then

It was built for a mechanic to actually work on or just the owner to work on they gave you so

Many tools to get that car up and going

The manuals

They'll teach you how Lee teach you how to rebuild the motor on the side of the road

In service manual. Yeah, really. Yeah, like it doesn't say see your dealer. No

They'll tell you the bore and everything. Wow. So when I went to

Adjust the valves on the car. I just opened up the service manual and it told me right then and there

Without all the clearances. Yeah without the gap them to that's so cool. Yeah

What a time to be alive

Oh, and then you know greasing the chassis so all

Well, not all of them

But certain ones have a one-shot system a one-shot system is a little canister that sits in your engine compartment with oil in it

And it has a lever that runs to the under the dashboard before you drive the car

You're supposed to press it and it will shoot grease right to everything. Yeah, I remember

I remember seeing that on Jay Leno's garage. He has a few cars that have that feature

Yeah, because today you lubricate right different things like boots and things like that. So

I guess it had it like already built in right

interesting

Which if I had to guess

Has its advantages, right? Like you don't have to replace

Boots that have dried out grease inside them and stuff like that. It almost seems like it's

Maybe requires more service, but it's a lot more permanent. 100 would that be correct? Yes

Okay, cool. I mean

Yeah, if you can keep them going then i'm sure they have their advantages and they ride like a dream

It's like a big boat. I love working on those and driving those cars

I mean, that's what they were meant to be right? They were supposed to just be to ride around in comfort and

To spec them out our our mark 6 Bentley has a full picnic kit in the back has a bar in the dashboard

Shot glasses everything

And then the manuals the right hand shifter and right hand drive

Wait, what explain so it's like the the original gt-40 the shifter is on your right side along with the steering wheel

So it's not in the center

No way

What though so you're driving on the right because it's a british car

Let's say and then the transmission is on the right. So where's the door sill right next to it

Wow, so so you're not necessarily a little bit towards the middle. I would say not at all

All right. Well the transmission is in the middle, but it has

Oh, okay. Yeah linkages that go over and it's not like on the like three on the tree

It's actually on the floor on the floor. Yeah. Wow. That's interesting. It was more rare to see them in the center

Right. So which bentley's are these so we're talking about we have a

Bentley mark 6 which has the right hand drive and then our

Bentley r-type which is very special because that was owned by jackie o nazis

Which was married to jonah kennedy's wife

Oh, wow. Yeah, that's cool. And that car is fully original. So how he speculated out is how we see it today

That's cool. That's history right there. Yeah, I guess it kind of makes sense right in theory having the shifter on your right

I mean you're shifting with your right hand instead of your left in a right hand drive car because us

Americans are used to

Just shifting with your right hand because it's in the center on a left hand drive car. So maybe it is intuitive

Yeah, and then our automatics

You have three options

So with our Bentley s1, which is one of my favorites

You want to put it in drive? There's two three and four

If you just want to put it into it'll only give you two gears three three years for and then you have

Neutral and then reverse. There's no park. You just throw it in neutral and put the brake on. Oh, wow. Okay

So I wanted to kind of transition to what made you a car enthusiast

I usually ask this to everyone on this podcast

And you know, maybe talk about the cars you've you know, learn to drive as a kid or you know

What really made you gravitate towards cars in general?

So go ahead and tell us what what made you a car enthusiast? I'd say my dad

He had growing up. He had detail shops car transporting

so I was always around different types of cars and

He always just kept me around him just helping out throughout the shop

So that kind of gravitated me to that and then when just fast and furious came out that really did it for me

and then growing up learning how to drive cars I'd be

Sitting in

Porsches and

Bentley's and things like that just sitting on my dad's lap drive them and then

From there just kind of spiraled out of control. Yeah, the best way possible. Literally. Yeah

It's it's interesting a lot of people say they're dads

Yeah, right. I know you mentioned that where your dad's working on like old american cars, right corvette

Yeah, corvette 944 racing. So I spent a lot of time trackside as a kid

Yeah, my dad had an alfa romeo malano grown up and uh, I mean at the time

I didn't even know it was a cool car. I was like four or five years old

And now that's the car I own, you know, because he always that nostalgia kicks in

Once you get into like your you know, your late 20s and 30s

But um, yeah, that's cool. So what cars um, have you owned and let's say what car you currently own actually?

So I started with a 95 e 36 and then I had

91 s 13 I had a 2020 wrx. I had a 2021

Dodge 3,500 and I got a 2015 for that 350 and then

sold

Everything but the wrx the dodge blew up

And then I got the Ford and then got the e46

sold the wrx got the g20 and then

Sold the e46 got 350 z and just got rid of that and I have an s 14, which is a 1995

Wow, okay. So you have pretty

Eclectic. Yeah group of cars in the past. Yeah, right. So I will drive some

Sporty cars pickup trucks diesel 3500. I imagine right so I used to be a car transporter

Yeah, I figured that because you said your dad did that. Yeah, okay. I my friends were gonna kill me if I don't say it but

My very very first car that my parents just gave me to drive

2016 Chevy cruise

Which we still have to this was at the wagon manual. No, just a regular coupe

My buddy had a wagon cruise. It was around 2017. Whatever. Oh like the hatchback the rs hatchback. Yeah

With the manual. Yeah, he liked that thing. That was the first car he had when I first met him

But yeah, it's funny that like the cars you own

Usually say about, you know, who type of person you are, you know, they mean like

Will you like to grab it or will you gravitate towards?

But um, yeah, it's a pretty interesting group of cars man. Yeah, yes, and you're pretty young

So you've owned a lot of cars already 25 25 total. Oh, oh, I'm 25. Okay. Okay. So that was about like, I don't know

10 15 cars you just mentioned

Same buddy same. Yeah, cool. So, um, I appreciate you coming on the podcast, you know, um, I know, uh

I feel like whenever we get like a mechanic on the show like last time he had his buddy

Who's like a machinist

Join the show. I feel like you could always add some really good insight to our listeners because

You know, people tinker on cars car enthusiasts work on cars here and there

But like to actually full time be working on cars

Right after this, I'm going to work on the s14. Yeah, I have three more weeks to get that car done. Yeah

Okay, then I'm going up to Oregon and drifting for a full weekend

And that's three more weeks because of that drift

Like you're going up to Oregon. I see. Okay. That's the deadline. That is the deadline. Okay. So you're pressed for time

Yep, putting in long hours here at the analog and grit. Yeah, I really appreciate these guys. There's been a big help

Yeah, well another great perk of being a member here, right? You could take your car and put on the lift and work on it till

I mean, right the wee hours of the night. Exactly, you know, that's cool. So I was admired, you know

Mechanics like I was saying, you know when when you're able to work on cars

It's one thing to be a car enthusiast but like I feel like you need to somewhat have a basic knowledge of working on cars

Because car enthusiasts like old analog cars and usually, you know, things break, right? Like just this afternoon

I called Dylan. I'm like, hey, man. I don't know if I'm going to make it to the podcast

I'm sitting out of red light and I just hear my car like

Like it's like struggling and I'm like, I know like my alternate. I just had to rebuild

I put a new o2 sensor

And usually it's only when it's cold that it would do anything like that

Like you could like see like it's like almost I wanted to stall

But this was different. This was like it was just chugging

So just dies on me and then it you know turns over but it doesn't you know go on so I ended up pushing it

Fun little uh story two people got out of their car and actually helped me push the car

Parking lot, right? I put my hazards on cuz I was out of red light

And uh, anyway long story short. I go to chevron. I'm like, hey, man. Can I get some gas?

I just want to see if that's what it is because my gas gauge was between

Empty and full and I barely drive my alpharm. I drive it once

I don't know every three months

So I figured it had gas because it's between

You know pretty much half and uh, so it's like a quarter, right?

No, like it definitely was gas heat the triple a guy comes. Oh my bad chevron didn't want to give me their uh

They didn't had no canisters. Oh, yeah, so I couldn't even get gas. So I had to wait for triple a

He puts uh two gallons in there and I started up

Yeah, it's just crazy like

It's it's not that the car had a problem. It's just the gauge doesn't is an accurate

So it's a little stupid nuance things like that that you just got to be mindful of you know, so I put it topped up now

Yeah, I mean I put 10 gallons in it and the gauge clearly went over the full

Right, but it's one of those like velia gauges like Italian cars use where it's like kind of like this all the time

Like it's never like straight. It's just wiggling. Yeah, you know, so

Um, but yeah, now that it's full. I know if it goes to half I'm almost out, right? That's a good rule of thumb

Yeah, with our ferrari dino if he gets under a half a tank and you take a sharp turn it'll just

Oh, really?

Well, the gaseous shifts over. Yeah, they'll almost die on you. Oh my god. Oh, wow

Yeah, see like you're saying earlier with the uh, the ferrari with the speed sensor

Italians

They don't they make beautiful cars

They put so much energy and passion into the way the car looks and sounds like all the senses that you know are kind of

Superficial right the way it looks and sounds and feels

But when it comes to like

Working on the car later. They don't think things through. Oh, no, right? They put shit in weird spots

Right, like they don't think like oh, well, you know, if it was to break like someone's gonna have to reach this o-ring

But nope the o-ring is what like where you mentioned it, you know, I mean, it's just funny how they are

I will say that they give you goosebumps, right? Right. Isn't that the important part?

Right. Yeah, I guess it depends on who you ask

Depends on the ferrari. I'll say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean even like german cars in general like

They they make really well engineered cars, you know, but they're not built for longevity

Like they used to be right, but the newer ones like I know you're talking about your BMW being excellent

And you kind of want to change the narrative on that which I appreciate, right? But like

There's so many like electronic components in a car today

Right that it's hard to keep a car a hundred percent reliable even toyotas

I got a Grand Highlander 2025 after driving it for 20 minutes all the sensors started going off on the car

I just took a 2025 Kia Telluride

Uh to utah and after 30 minutes lane departure blind spot monitor front collision all these lights started going off

Right and I was afraid like it was gonna say like I know most BMWs will say like

Like pull over and go to your see your dealer like it'll reduce power depending on what the issue is

Mind just says

It will just tell you drive to the dealership

Right and people see that and they freak out right on an older car an analog car

You're not gonna you're just gonna have to narrow down based on like process of elimination

And it's not going to be that serious

But the newer cars unfortunately, especially, you know, european cars because

Japanese cars for the longest time built cars for longevity at least I could say that for Toyota

Yeah, you know, um, maybe Honda

but like

Longevity as in like like you buy it you own it for 10 15 years

They don't care that you're gonna buy another one

They just know that you're gonna talk about toyotas to all your friends and family

And the next time you do buy a car it's going to be a toyota

You know where I feel like the german cars lost that a little bit

Yeah, especially after like, uh, I would say around 1995 before that they were built with no budget

Um and meant to be a sustainable long-lasting rebuildable car for life

Yeah, and I think my bad

I think the the key to that is what you said earlier the craftsmanship is lost

Right italian cars, for example, like lancia

They built cars with such great craftsmanship back in the day like the lancia full via

All those cars had such intricate details like little things even just a hood prop, right?

Like it was like, um, it was a mechanical hood prop like it wasn't just a stick like obviously the stick's been working for years now

Right, but like my point is is they just put a lot of effort into the craftsmanship

Where like even like the door way the doors slam things like that people talk about

But yeah 95 I think

Is a good like baseline of a year because after 95 we got

Real air conditioning like right they changed the was the r to r134 or whatever it was

ABS started coming in to play airbags

You started to see more modern features that we still use today, you know

But the build quality like why did that why did why did they start using sheet metal, you know

Instead of like real steel and like I don't know. I just think like

It's like this idea that oh, they're gonna end up wanting a new one in three years anyway

So we're gonna come out with a new body style. Why why make something to last 20 years

And then the most criminal offense of the loss and quality is Mercedes. They should have never

Messed with chrysler

Yeah, but think about it. It's all about money, right? Like that was a partnership that allowed them to

Gain a new audience and create volume cars

And that's usually where the problems happen like my alpha male Milano

They say is the last real alpha male because it was before fiat bought them out

Right and what is fiat gonna do? They're a volume seller, right? They make a lot of cars, obviously

They they go to Italy. They're everywhere, right? They're like the fiat 500 I was telling him the little Cinquecento

Was like the Volkswagen Beetle for Italy, you know, it took people everywhere

The fiat panda was four by four took everyone got, you know, everyone around in northern Italy where there was inclement weather

So like those cars will volume cars. So you you're not thinking about

You know building these cars to last a long time you're thinking and they just

Build as many as you can last just long enough

Yeah, and and nothing against those cars. They obviously that you still see them today, you know, they were built in a more simple time

But uh planned obsolescence is the term I use a lot. Yes

I know the gm guru Justin's mentioned that before in the past where like today we buy an iPhone

We intend to keep it maybe for two years

So apple is going to build it to just let the battery is only going to last two years

Exactly right and then the cost of a new battery for your phone

Is going to be way more than just getting a new one

You know, so I feel like it's kind of trickle down into the car industry as well

That's what my um my co-worker herb. That's what he always complains about because

Bentley is now owned by bmw

and he says

It's horrible. It's terrible. Yeah, this

Don't do it right anymore. They lost their craftsmanship. They don't keep any of the old parts around anymore. It's just gone downhill

right, isn't uh Rolls Royce

Volkswagen

Or I know Bugatti's Volkswagen owns a lot of car companies. Yeah, that was bmw that bought

Bentley

I think I know that they had their hands in Rolls Royce in the 2000s and early 2010s

I don't know about Bentley though either either way whoever owns it. It's not they're not their own like bespoke company

Exactly. Yeah, right. So I know Volkswagen is a conglomerate. Like I mean, that's not just lamborghini

They don't do Ducati like like Bugatti like they don't just make Volkswagen an Audi, you know, it's it's pretty insane how much they own

So you would think have you seen a Bugatti key before? No, it's a Volkswagen key, right?

It's a flip Volkswagen. It's something Doug DeMiro would like highlight on his reviews. Yeah, yeah

Yeah, so usually when that happens like the attention isn't as like focused on a brand, right?

It's kind of now diversified and diluted. So

Yeah, I mean, we'll see how the car industry kind of pivots with uh, you know

certain things because of tariffs and things like that, but

Um, I'm just hoping like you're a g20 bmw. I'm hoping they get more reliable, right?

Kind of it's it's a new generation with oldest technology

Like I've said in the past five years so much

Innovation has entered the car industry, you know safety usually like mainly around safety

You know like different monitors and sensors and dash cams and all these different radars that are now implemented

So I imagine there's going to be some quirks and and kinks to work out in the beginning

So hopefully that gets better with time. I don't like the way bmw is going with their body style though

Oh, well, she ain't got to tell me twice

That's a conversation for another podcast with the beaver. Uh, what is it the beaver grill? Yeah

It was a kidney grill now. It's now it's lungs. Yeah

5,000 pound m5 now. Yeah. Well all these

Technologies are going to just add weight. They're getting rid. I thought they were getting rid of the m line up

Really wouldn't surprise me for all electric

Oh, electric. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like the i m or whatever it's called or the i 4

I don't know

It's too much same thing with Mercedes the ecu and all that like

I

Kind of I like the eqs. I mean, but are they selling I see him on deal a lot. It's like crazy. My boss has three of them

Really? Yeah, he has your dad has three eqs. My boss. Your boss. Oh my three said pops

My boss has three eqs. He has the regular sedan. He has the suv and then he has the mybok suv

Yeah, I mean he probably bought him right when they came out and it was like the coolest looking blobby looking thing with like the

Full screen in the front or the passenger has their own screen. Like it was cool. Like they are posh too

Yeah, they just I got one from colorado to utah. I was such a smooth drive at zero issue

It was really nice compared to the tesla

Which I've been dealing with since they first came to organ. Yeah, no, I trust me

I imagine it's probably the smoothest most comfortable ride kind of like to sell us the still a Mercedes

Yeah, but yeah, it's still a Mercedes and it's electric and like I feel like all these electric cars in the last few years

Were all rushed to the market very true because they just needed to get these cars out there because they knew

You know, it was the new craze and then all of a sudden that craze stopped gone

Right and Mercedes kind of held out a little longer

So maybe that speaks to why those could be better cars than you might expect

Maybe maybe I could see the eqs taken over the tesla. Oh, yeah for sure over the comparable tesla

Definitely

So that does it for today's episode of the analog and grit podcast again, hamilton

Thank you for joining the show mainstay dylan like always

So until next week on the analog and grit podcast

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