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Dutch GP Race Review
About this episode
Matt and Tommy dive into the chaotic Dutch Grand Prix, focusing on Lando Norris's heartbreaking mechanical failure that impacted the championship battle with Oscar Piastri. They discuss Ferrari's questionable strategy and rookie Kimmy Antonelli's costly mistake with Charles Leclerc. Isaac Hajar's impressive podium and Ollie Bearman's strong drive also highlight the race. The hosts critique stewarding decisions, especially around penalty points, and reflect on the unpredictable nature of the season. Predictions and fan questions add depth, with insights on driver performances and team strategies shaping the ongoing championship narrative.
Topics:
lando norris mechanical failure
oscar piastri championship
ferrari strategy mistakes
kimmy antonelli crash
isaac hajar podium
ollie bearman performance
stewarding controversies
race unpredictability
driver development
race predictions
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A crazy finish in Zandvoort saw reliability issues massively effect one McLaren’s title chances, while several crashes and safety cars caused more chaos up and down the grid. So let’s get into it all!
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back.
To the people on podcast with Matt and Tommy,
we are here to reflect on the Dutch Grand Prix,
a race that we would tease a lot of rain, wouldn't we, Tommy?
We would tease so much rain.
It's raining three laps, raining a little, a little bit of moisture.
But that is not actually even the close to the talking point
of the race, so it's a little bit of a race.
It's a little bit of a race,
but that is not actually even the close to the talking points
that we have to discuss today, is there?
There's quite a few.
We thought it might be one of those podcasts where we just go,
yeah, we've got one more Zandvoort to go.
Perhaps it'll be pretty good that time
because this race wasn't,
but then it all just sort of kicked off
in a very strange way.
It certainly did.
I thought we'd be doing a whole hour podcast
about how car license penalty wasn't deserved,
but instead, yeah, plenty of craziness at the end.
It all just hell broke loose at the end, didn't it?
It certainly did.
Safety cars, virtual safety cars, everything else
was proper popping off.
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Tommy, why don't you begin
with your most memorable moment?
Well, it has to be landing Norris's DNF,
a sad moment in the championship fight, of course,
because we even said in our,
when we're doing our bold predictions
at how much we didn't want reliability
to get involved in any way,
and it's just absolutely gutting
because even though
Piastri was always gonna win that race,
he was brilliant and it doesn't take anything
away from him, but you just don't want to see
a driver basically lose a chunk of points
through a mechanical failure
because it's been such a good championship fight,
they've been so close all year,
we really just wanted this one,
and it may still balance out, you never know,
but we wanted this one really to just be like,
done on the track 100%,
let them switch one to every single weekend
and go down to the wire,
but instead it has, of course,
made it quite a big gap in the championship
because of course, Piastri picked up
all 25 points and Lando ended up with nothing.
You certainly did, yes,
it's definitely one of the biggest moments for sure,
the championship is constantly like,
ah, Lando gets a few points here,
Oscar then fights back,
and we were obviously talking about the fact
that Lando's had three of the last four wins,
and we're wondering is this the momentum
now going in Lando's favor,
but it's a huge blow for Lando's championship,
it's not unassailable by any stretch of the imagination,
like we still got nine races to go,
so many points, if Lando's able to win,
say five on a bounce,
then he will take the championship lead,
but the thing is Oscar was marginally better this weekend
and Oscar has been better,
a lot of weekends this season,
Lando's of course had his moments as well,
but it's gonna be so hard for Lando
to pick himself up from this,
and I did find it kind of bizarre,
like the whole sort of post race,
sort of not commentary,
but on Sky, listening to them chat about,
ah, is this Lando now sort of let loose,
is he now gonna drive angry?
And I'm like, what are we talking about here?
He's lost 25 points, this is bad for Lando,
this cannot be switched around to being a positive,
it is a massive blow for his championship chances
and taking away that pressure
might help in the long run,
but the pressure will only build again
when he starts to catch Oscar if he ever does,
so for me it's a massive blow for Lando,
Oscar is without a doubt the favorite
by a country mile now, it has to be said,
because it's not like he's lucked himself
into this position,
he's led the championship for so many races now,
I can't remember exactly how many,
I think it's about 10 or so,
so yeah, it's gonna be really difficult for Lando,
it's not impossible, but you never wanna see it,
you never wanna see a reliability issue,
of course you had like Hamilton and Rosberg
when they were just trading wins and things like that,
and then Hamilton had his engine failure in Malaysia,
these are massive swings in the championship,
yes, Lando still would have lost seven points
to Oscar this time out, but it wouldn't have been 25,
so a tough one to swallow for sure.
Let's go into a question from P1Pit,
remember medium speed corner,
it's not high, it's not low, medium,
so about that McLaren reliability
you mentioned in the last episode,
Tommy, we talked about it, said they were bulletproof,
and it can happen, right, it hasn't,
yeah, you've got an apology,
it hasn't been fully confirmed
exactly what the issue has been,
and I know that there was a bit of hesitation over
whether it's, you can solely blame it on the engine
or whether it's chassis or whatever,
but these things can happen,
it hadn't happened for Lando for years,
hasn't it, the reliability issue I don't think,
but it has happened and you need to now apologize
to all Lando fans out there, thank you.
I will apologize, I actually listened back to the episode
and it's even worse than I remembered,
I'm gonna actually go,
I'm just gonna play a very short clip of it
because it is, we've done some really poorly aged things,
this might be the worst, no,
because it would have to be a crash as well,
because when I was looking at this,
I don't know, I kind of hadn't really thought of this,
I'm not really seeing this around,
so I apologize now because I'm gonna jinx it
because every time a stack gets brought up,
the next race it all goes wrong,
but that being said, I kind of felt like McLaren
don't ever have mechanical failures and breakdown.
And there we go, and then it basically went on
to talk about how Lando Norris didn't have
a mechanical failure for the last five years
and literally the very next race is car conks out,
so it's just getting because they have been bulletproof,
I know it's unfortunate, jinxing,
but they have been bulletproof
and that's something that McLaren had in their locker
that their car has been so reliable for all these years
and just yeah, it's a gutting time for that streak
to end basically.
For sure, that being said, if it is gonna happen
or rather happen now than four, three races to go
where some will then have more than a race win in hand
if we're talking about like absolute worst case scenarios
but it's still not good for the championship at all.
But as you say, it can level out, things can happen,
a crash can happen, whatever.
I think even Mark Webber said, didn't he,
after the race as well, he never takes interviews
but he did one and he was saying, look,
yeah, we've got points but it doesn't mean anything.
Well he knows all too well.
Yeah.
He knows all too well, literally 2010,
it was a championship fight between Mark Webber
and Fernando Alonso and then Sebastian Vettel
under the championship and it was all that kind of like,
Webber's gonna win the championship
and he's basically got one hand on the championship
and it can completely change,
like you can't just say it's over.
Certainly can't.
Next question, people on Patreon remember, Tote,
do we think Oscar has one hand
on the World Drivers Championship now?
I think he has like maybe three fingers,
that's what I'd say, that's kind of one hand.
Yeah, I think, go back to my last point,
he's ahead, he's definitely the favorite,
he's delivering week in, week out, he's right there.
He's not really having off weekends where,
perhaps in the last few years where he was learning
in his rookie season, he's only in his third season,
in his last two seasons, he's had moments
where he's not been on the pace,
the race pace has struggled
but we're not seeing that this year.
So yeah, Oscar has to be the favorite
and you look at, I think Mark put it quite nicely
of like the places where it could go wrong,
you've got Brazil, of course, there's Azerbaijan
which he mentioned where big mistakes can happen,
you've got Singapore, it's definitely looking in his favor
but let's relax, he's not the world champion,
there's nine races to go, nine times 25 is 225
plus the sprint races as well,
a lot of points on the board.
Absolutely, it's ridiculous to say championship over,
you don't know what's gonna happen in Formula One.
Yes, it's gonna be, I think the most difficult thing
is the fact that McLaren are so quick
so they're kind of gonna be locking in one twos
but Landau's had a mechanical failure,
it's not guaranteed that Oscar's not gonna have one
and equally because McLaren are so quick,
you've gotta think that if Oscar did have a mechanical failure
it's very, very unlikely that it wouldn't be anything
other than 25 points back towards Landau
because McLaren are so clear that they're,
so this is the thing, it's not like you've got
other drivers in the mix, so it can easily
go back the other way, I think to get too far ahead
and be like, oh, Oscar's got a hand on the trophy, it's over.
We've only just got, nine races is a lot of points
like you say and sprint points and things like that
and anything can happen, you're gonna go to
difficult circuits like Singapore
and it only takes a crazy rain shower,
like look at how the championship
right at the very start of the year,
when Landau had that championship lead
and how well Oscar was doing at the start,
we were saying, oh, imagine if Oscar hadn't gone off
at Melbourne, he'd be way clear and stuff like that,
so it can completely change again,
it can only take literally one moment
and Landau could be right back in it,
so and that's not even like trying to hype it up
when it's not there because it's still
very much on in my opinion, I think we've watched,
I've watched Formula One far too long
to basically be like, yeah, Oscar's won the championship
because it happens all the time,
I remember having the conversation even in 2021
about when Max had won a couple of races
towards the final hurdle and you kind of thought,
oh, no way is Mercedes gonna be able to do it
and then Hamilton got the new engine,
absolutely dominated the end of the season
and it was incredibly close, we talked about
Mark Webber, we've had Lewis Hamilton losing the championship
when he went into the gravel, so many things can happen.
They certainly can, let's head to my most memorable moment now
as that was a big moment but not the only one
because mine was Leclerc and Antonelli coming together,
just two wonderful pals at turn three banking
having a little ding dong, well, no,
actually just a ding because Charles didn't want the dong,
he was, that's one of the strangest things I've ever said.
That is the greatest slipper ever.
You know what I'm trying to say,
Charles didn't wanna play bowl, okay?
And he had to sadly because Kimmy Antonelli,
okay, so he pipped what the lap before, I think Kimmy,
they went for an aggressive strategy with soft tires,
went for a two stop, Leclerc and Ferrari
decided to cover him rather than just stay out,
which was an interesting decision
and Charles, despite getting yeeted, the first thing,
well, at least the first thing we heard
was that he questioned the strategy
rather than getting punted.
That was wild, by the way, that you did that.
Yeah, yeah, well, we don't get all of the team radio stuff
but like, yeah, that was the first thing
that was fed to us anyway.
So yeah, how do I feel about that?
So I know a lot of people will be questioning that.
Look, it wasn't for the win,
so I was still obviously mortified
and I felt like it was a very poor move from Antonelli.
Of course, his tires were up to speed, up to temperature
and he went for an audacious turn three move
but just completely, completely misjudged it
and it wasn't like, Leclerc was at the top of the banking
and Kimmy was at the bottom
and he just understood all the way
to the top of the banking to take out Lecler.
It's a shame because Ferrari, we looked on Friday
and I know I was on the podcast then
but I just sat there going, we are absolutely finished.
And then there was a chance
that Leclerc could have even got a podium
had it been maybe slightly more fortunate
but he was on for a top five
which I thought was gonna be completely
and absolutely out of the equation after Friday.
So yeah, it is disappointing for sure
but it's not the end of the world I guess
but thanks to all the thousands of people
that tuned in and to the watch along when it happened.
Yeah, they're not in the championship
or anything like that.
So like you say, yes.
I don't want P2 and the constructors either.
Take it.
Yeah, you just want a win or something
or write this year and finish with a win
but it's also disappointing for Antonelli
because from his side, he was about two
after quite a difficult start to the weekend
with going off in practice
and then not making it into Q3.
He was on for beating George Russell
and then instead, you know, he's gone
for an absolute damage after them.
Yeah, true.
Yeah, he's obviously that
but he's still gonna finish ahead of him on track
and even in all the context,
it would have been a big confidence boost for him
because he's had a really bad run of form
going into the summer break.
We said many times that he's the one
that needed that summer break
to do something completely different
and he's probably had one of his worst erases
has to be said because yeah,
it just didn't need to happen.
I know he's a young rookie,
desperate to try and prove himself
and I said he's one of these drivers.
This is why I was excited to see him in Formula One
and going for moves,
but not ones that literally aren't on
and it's so, it's almost near impossible
to do a move there.
I think even there was even a clip
during the rounds of like Max
and Gabi Portoletto speaking about it, saying,
you know, it's impossible to take the low line
because you just can't carry any speed through there.
So overtaking is pretty much impossible
but Kimmy still tried it
and he always gonna just go into the side of him
and just didn't need to happen for Kimmy Antonelli.
Yeah, it's a disaster for Kimmy
in the sense of a big points hole gone missing.
I guess the small positive side
is that he was showing that speed,
you know, to beat George Russell on the track.
Of course, George having that damage,
but he was still there.
He was still having a decent race.
But that I think is, that's a judgment
that I don't think many of the drivers
that have at least a few seasons under their belt
would have taken because it's just not worth the risk,
especially when you reflect on how Antonelli was,
as you say, before the summer break,
he was needing that to just reset and recharge.
And look, the pace is there, but it's a rookie era.
It's an absolute stone cold rookie era
to have gone for that move when he shouldn't have.
And I keep saying like he'll learn,
but you know, he's having a few moments now
and he's of course was struggling for pace as well
before the summer break.
Thankfully he's fixed that one,
but he needs to not be crashing into Charles Leclerre
in particular, please.
And thank you very much.
Yeah, don't do that ever again.
Next question comes from near Void.
Did Ferrari really need to pit Leclerre
when his tyres were decent?
No, I'm really surprised they did do that.
It seemed like a classic case.
And I can't believe it still happened
because of Hungary that you saw how difficult it was
to overtake Fernando Alonso.
I thought it was a crazy strategy
for what he did to basically sacrifice his position,
go all the way to back of a massive DRS train.
And yes, he overtook DRS.
A little bit.
DRS train.
It's the Dutch thing.
No, and go through the fact that he passed Hülkenberg,
it was kind of like, oh, he can make one position up,
but very slowly.
And everything we spoke about, the Hungarian Grand Prix,
I can't believe they were still kind of trying
to risk stuff like that.
And maybe Alex Alban, who we spoke to,
and he said, you know, we asked him,
why didn't you do the one-stop in Hungary?
And he was like, well, yeah, exactly.
He stuck to his guns and stayed out, didn't he?
When I guess Leclerre pited Leclerre
and sacrificed the place to Alban,
ended up getting a great result.
And then there's other people like Lance Stroll,
who did the same thing of just not pitting
until there were safety cars and things.
And it got him a great result.
So I just don't believe,
I can't believe that people do these risky strategies
of going for a two-stop
when we've just seen just how hard it is to overtake.
Yeah, Lec, my brain has been fully focused
on the incident itself,
that it hasn't really, at least until now,
started to process why Charles was even in that position.
Because, yeah, he went behind Russell and Alban,
I think, at the time, to cover Kimmy Antonelli.
Yeah, it's a bizarre choice for sure.
It makes me think, like,
is there just a fundamental communication issue
at Ferrari with both drivers
where they just make decisions
and the drivers have to accept it?
That's the way that I feel like, obviously,
that's the one thing
I've probably been slightly critical of Charles about
is the fact that I would love to see him
just say no to things and do what he thinks is correct.
Because he himself said, isn't that right?
Yeah, rather than afterwards going,
well, I think we should have done this.
It's Sanfort.
Alonso rocked up to the back of,
literally the back of the field
and started to make a couple of moves and stuff.
But it wasn't plain sailing.
And as you say, like Alex Albon,
the podcast we did with him,
if you haven't watched it, go and watch it.
It's amazing.
The fact that he gave us that sort of insight of,
well, we have like an optimal sort of strategy thing,
the two-stop versus the one-stop
and you need X amount of differential
in order to cruise past the car ahead
and you can see the data
and it says you should do this.
But then he goes, well, when DRS trains happen
when this happens and when that happens,
things can change.
It's like, well, yes.
So therefore the formula doesn't work.
It can't work.
It's not the same conditions every single time.
So for me, yeah, I was very surprised.
It's almost like Ferrari didn't know
that Charles had good tires and was fine.
And I'm like, what?
They're making decisions without maybe the full pitch.
Even though they feel like
they've got the full pitch of the pit wall.
How about Charles Leclerc, the guy that's driving it?
So he shouldn't have been in that position.
No, I think I do agree with that, to be honest with you.
And just carried on his merry way without getting punted.
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P1P, do you remember Pickle Nick?
Does Mercedes need to demote Kimmy?
Bit harsh. It's a bit harsh.
The guy's in his rookie season.
He got Miami Sprint poll,
which I don't know how long
he's gonna hold him in the positive eyes of some people.
It does feel like a very long time ago,
but of course he had a podium at Canada.
And I think
there's no demotion in sight
for Kimmy Antonelli.
We know that with Toto Wolff
and how much he's invested in him
and how much he believes in him,
and I think it's fair that the belief is there
because he's shown mistakes, yes.
He's shown occasional lack of confidence,
but he's also shown that there is a high ceiling
that you really need to prove as a rookie in your first season,
I think, especially in Kimmy's position
where Toto believes in you
and just needs to see that potential.
So, no, they don't need to demote him,
but I feel like there has to be
an improvement come the end of the year
to just set himself up nicely for 26.
If he has a poor 2026,
when, yes, he's got a season under his belt,
but he's also got a completely new car to learn,
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especially if Max comes knocking
George Russell wins the championship in 2026.
Where does that put Kimmy Antonelli in 2027
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There's plenty of hypothetical scenarios right now,
but there's no demotion happening for Kimmy.
No, I don't think they'll demote him.
This question could be like
should they have gone with him in the first place?
And I think that's more of a
want to debate
because I think
he is certainly
showing the fact that
winning in a top team
is very difficult
and you're under
a huge amount of pressure, you're much more
in the spotlight
as, you know, the other rookies
who are
well, apart from Hadja today,
who will get onto did an amazing job,
but he's more in the spotlight
because he's got George Russell as his teammate
and Mercedes are meant to be at the front,
so the pressure is ramped up
even more that he has to deliver
and there's a very high expectation of him.
So he is learning
on the job, essentially
whilst being in a very, very good
car and a top team.
It's just such a strange situation
where I think Kimmy Antonelli
first half of
the season that we've done so far up to Canada
I think he's done
really, really well
and shown that, yeah, he does
have that high ceiling, but
needs to just like, improve here and there
it's the recent run of form
that you kind of would expect at the start
of the season that's gone really bad for him
and this just didn't need to happen today
should have just got
not gone for a crazy dive
bomb. Bags a great result
and then we're here talking about the fact that
this is the
exactly what he needed
going into the second half
of the season or after the summer break
a good result, yes he's been
a bit fortunate that he's beaten
George on the track
but look how well he's done, but instead
we're here and people are discussing
does he need to be demoted?
Exactly, a driver
that definitely does not need to be demoted
in fact actually there's definitely a joke
here where he might be on his way to demotion
with actually a promotion
is of course Isaac Hajar on the podium
I know it wasn't either of our memorable moments
but this is also a very
very big one to talk about
and I don't really know
how it happened, I don't know
what he's done but
he's somehow managed to just put that racing
balls right up there in qualifying
and then
was the driver able to capitalise
when Lando Norris had his issue
the fact that it was a racing ball
it was Isaac Hajar, a rookie
it's just an
absolutely phenomenal job
I can't believe
we've seen that today
It's incredible from him
and you said this in the watch long, I totally agree
it's not
like a pure complete
lucky podium, yes
he got fortunate that Lando had
the reliability
issue that put him one place
higher but it's not like
he got a crazy
pit stop strategy amongst the safety car
and it's launched him all the way from
the back to
a podium
just say Hülkenberg
but
it's not to take anything away from Hülkenberg
no, it's a different race
and like a
ghastly winner when he won
he got
the good fortune and made the most of it
and they're still incredible moments
and it's not taking anything away from them
but it was
a race where he qualified
incredibly well and was actually
staying ahead of
the other drivers around him
and he was there
to pick up, you know, only took one driver
dropping out the race
ahead of him to get that podium
it's not like we've seen
it because
obviously in the end both Ferraris went out under McLaren
but it was only the McLaren
that he needed to get that podium
so it's a sensational job
even if Lando hadn't had the
problem would still be
absolutely lauding this
as one of the drivers of the season
for him to finish P4 in the racing board
yeah, yeah for sure
and it's great to hear his emotion as well
especially after qualifying
we heard how much it meant
and then seeing those podium scenes afterwards
I just kind of had to rub my eyes
and be like, what is going on this season
it's just ridiculous
you've got the two H's of Hülkenberg
and Hajar getting a podium
but Hamilton hasn't had one in a Ferrari
if you'd have said that, if that had been your prediction
coming into this season
I think we would have all questioned
just how much you've actually watched Formula One
but it's a great job
but yeah, exactly
we've done some bold ones in the past
question from people on Patreon remember MZT
do you think Isaac will be
in the Red Bull next year
do you think he wants to be
yes, I think he will be
and I think he has to be
and I think he'll
take it
unfortunately
unfortunately you always
have to back yourself
to go there even if you've seen the form
and unfortunately that is
just the pressure of the Red Bull
and the step up that you have to take
that you have to go alongside Max
but luckily for him
and we're talking
next year here, not another
moment where it's mid-season
if you just go in next year you think
well it's new regulations
he can hopefully
learn there it's a completely
clean slate rather than him
halfway through the season driving this
lovely racing
balls that is seemingly like
quite a predictable car
that when you have great performances you can
get a lot out of to this
absolutely insane pointy
how on earth does Max first up and drive this thing
car so
yeah, I think he will
I personally think he will be in the Red Bull
next year
and
do you think he wants to be
I think he would
you just got to back yourself to
make the step up because I think it looks even worse
to basically say no I don't want to
I think he wants to be for sure
because
it's again, we're talking about ceilings of
drivers and potentials
you're not going to win the world championship in a racing
ball, you're just not
going to win the Red Bull
unless something drastically wrong
has happened in that camp
it's going to be the main team at Red Bull racing
do I think he's going to be
in the team
I'm not as convinced
just purely because
if you look at it like Yuki Sonoda
did almost as much
as what Hajar has done
to gain hype
and momentum if we're talking about
recency bias then obviously Hajar has
the momentum
with him because everyone's talking about him
and he's doing a phenomenal job in a rookie season
which I think is maybe where Isaac
gets more points is because
he's able to do these performances
already like where can he go
so I guess
for Red Bull it's a decision of
well we've given Yuki a chance
obviously it's not worked in this regulation of car
but he's also a great driver
does he deserve a
2026 opportunity to see if he can
get a handle of whatever beast
Red Bull create
or do we take another risk with Isaac
because it is a risk
putting Isaac up against Max Verstappen
to then see
how he does, is he able to perform at the same level
I don't know
it's an interesting one because I don't think it's a case of
Sonoda's terrible get him out
because you have to take more
than just this season
into account
Yuki didn't have testing for the Red Bull
it's a completely different car
I don't think it's as easy as saying Isaac's in
just yet, you look back in the last 3-4 races
Lawson was the one that was
getting all the attention as well
because he was the one scoring decent points
so it's choppin' and changing, I don't think Lawson's getting the promotion
to the Red Bull next year
but just sort of mentioning how
hype can change very quickly
in Formula One and in the media
next question
comes in from P1PictureMember
RubikCube
Sines getting 2 penalty points for that
incident is mad
what's your take on it
hands down one of the worst
stewarding decisions I have seen
in a very long time
what race are they watching
what
where did they learn
the racing rules
I don't understand
in any world
where Sines
is deemed at fault
for Carlos is him getting a puncture
and it deemed a racing incident in my opinion
I don't know what on board
have they just watched a rogue drone
cam that's at the wrong turn
and they've seen it in the corner of their eye
because that's the only way
they could possibly come up with this
and I love the fact Carlos was on the team radio
saying let me go to the stewards
I need to have a word with them
hopefully he's very sensible when he goes and has a word with them
but I am baffled
to see that he got a 10 second penalty
for two penalty points
for Lawson just sort of
moving over slightly
we spoke about it on the watch line
but never
at any point
did we go Carlos might get a penalty for that
insane
my first reaction
was
oh I want to see Lawson's on board
because if he has indeed tried to squeeze him there
I actually think it's on Lawson
for not giving Carlos any space
around the outside
and you go yeah it's the outside of a corner
but that turn one
is notorious for
that is really the move
it has been since
even when this was back on the calendar
in the 70's
all the overtakes at Zambor
is swooping around the outside of that first corner
Lando did it to Max for example
so that is
Carlos had every right to be there
it wasn't this absolutely
insane audacious attempt at an overtake
and the fact that
that yeah like if
if Lawson had
indeed not kind of got
a big amount of understeer
I feel like he should have given Carlos a bit more
room so if anything I think it would have been
maybe even borderline
a little bit of
Liam's fault
probably not a penalty but
Carlos's fault
is absolutely
insane I could completely understand why
it was so enraged but it was
it was a mad take
also you can absolutely
scrap now the part
where we say that the stewards do not take
into account the consequence of an action
because what they have seen
is contact
two drivers getting a puncture
but the overtaking driver
the one attempting to make the overtake Carlos signs
making contact with Liam Lawson
and Liam Lawson getting a puncture and therefore
the only way they have deemed that
as a penalty for signs in my opinion
is the fact that Lawson has been affected by
something that Carlos has tried to do
but that's not
what's supposed to happen
what are we doing here
I really obviously didn't
affect Carlos's race in terms of the penalty itself
because he was already out of it after the puncture
but
this is where you have the inconsistencies with
stewarding don't you and the fact that it changes
and
baffled by it to be honest with you
he's going to be raging
not only
he's had such
poor luck this year
and for him to qualify
as well as he did
and see Alex Alban take that result
that he has
is going to make him even more frustrated
I'm sure
things just aren't going his way
giving him penalty points
as well is just absolutely outrageous
penalty in the first place
very very bizarre
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next question comes in from P1P
remember Edith is my middle name
Oliver Bearman, pit lane
to P6
thoughts
finally is my thoughts
finally Ollie Bearman
we can stop saying
the thing we do
every single podcast when talking about
Ollie Bearman and saying he just needs that
one kind of good bit of fortune
where his good
drive is rewarded
and has a bit of luck go his way
and it did
and P6 is absolutely
brilliant the fact that he
there's no surprise
that Hass of all the teams
were the ones that tried something
different
and yeah it made it
work for them and I'm really glad
to see Bearman get that result
because he's not
his result in the championship
table
hasn't reflected how
good he's been
he's made mistakes as a rookie
and there's been a few moments
but he's still
in my opinion shown that he has got
some real talent
and could be something very special
in the future I think
as a lot of you will know
I've listened and watched
the P1 podcast for a little while
I've been an Ollie Bearman stand since the moment
he set out in a free practice session
for Hass and was pretty much on the pace
of whether it was Hülkenberg or Magnusson at the time
and I'm so happy
to see that he's finally
it's good fortune but it's also
like not binning it under
the red flag at Silverstone
it's just not silly errors as well
that has put him out of contention
or whatever it might be this was just a
phenomenal drive I think the strategy
was great from Hass as well
to put them in the mix
knowing full well that a five stop race
is not the way to go and to try
and get themselves into track position
somehow I think obviously the safety cars have helped
a little bit to put them in
into that sort of realm of scoring
points but also
P6 is phenomenal from the pit lane
so I'm so happy for him
it's been coming for a very long time
and I genuinely do believe
that he's a driver that will continue
to get better and better and I hope
this will give him a lot of momentum
into the rest of the season really
so well done Ollie Bearman
very happy indeed to see that
let's head to biggest winner shall we
Drive Raw team and who we
believe has won the most
I mean it depends
how you measure it but I think Hajar
is definitely going to be right up there
with that one I think Oscar Piastri
has won a lot in terms of the championship
may well have won the championship
with that one TNF we'll have to reflect on that
by the end of the year but
I think for me it has to be Hajar
what a drive from him
Yeah Hajar a definite
biggest winner just the fact that it was so unexpected
Oscar Piastri is a great
shout for the championship
and one thing I did want to add actually
because
at the start of
before about Oscar Piastri
is
yeah I still don't think
I don't think the narrative
should be like Oscar's won the championship
because of this move if that does
indeed happen we'll find
out when the point system
but
we're about to find out because Oscar
Piastri this weekend
was flawless
so can't take anything away
from him and he's got that good fortune
I guess from the fact that his
teammate has gone off but
sorry has had the
mechanical failure although
I have just seen that Landon Orris technically
was eight laps down and classified
so I didn't jinx him there wasn't a mechanical
DNF so there you go
So it was actually in fact a flop and he was just slow
that's what he was saying yeah
It was Hajar isn't it
Yeah it was Hajar indeed
but no I agree
there's a lot of great shares actually
about Oscar I think that he has
been top form this year
but let's see how many points he wins by
because it is definitely a moment we will reflect on
especially if it is
18 points or less that he
wins by because of course that was the swing
not saying that Landon would have won today because I really don't think he would have
Biggest loser
I think that probably has to be Landon Orris
to be honest with you
just purely because that is a massive swing
in the championship
it's not 25 points swing
because Oscar was winning that every day of the week
I think it's fair to say
So Landos definitely up there
I think Lewis losing the car
just on his own to be the driver
that does that in those
slippery conditions is something I can't believe
I can't believe that happened
that is
that's wild so
it has to be Landos biggest loser
but I think Hamilton is also a shout
for just
being on the pace
being very much comparable with
Charles now for the first time in maybe
a little while
and then ending the race like that
is a tough one to swallow
Yeah I think it's got to be Lando
on his unfortunate
failure
because it is such a big
moment
in the championship
and crazy to think that
you've got Ferrari with a double DNF
in 19th and 20th
and I don't think it's even them just because of how bad it
has gone for Lando
there and what a crucial
moment it could turn out to be
we'll find out
Yeah Ferrari is definitely as a whole
a very reasonable shout as well
not far away
a double DNF basically at the same
corner is ridiculous
and just Ferrari things
so I need another summer break now
of about four weeks if that's possible
oh no wait it's the Italian Grand Prix
we're so back baby we're winning it all
let's reflect on our predictions
that we made on Wednesday
to see how we did it's currently
37 a piece because of course it is
Michael Massey and this beautifully but we're not really
this is genuinely just going down to the wire
all the time because hashtag will knowledge
first and foremost
a good surprise what's being a will knowledge
my good surprise
for example was
Lewis Hamilton but I was forced
into changing it by this knob
I can't believe I just said knob on the podcast that's crazy
door knob that's fine that's like it's all good
so yeah I went for Lewis Hamilton that's no point
you ever need to know how much
competitive Matt is and how much
so competitive Tommy you know this
you saw it there
might as well step in easy zandvoort prediction
knew Matt would go for it
I'll be happy with the money Tommy
really hope you're happy with the money with that one
a big flop I went for Gabrielle Bortoletto
which sadly for him came in
I mean Sauber
what are you doing guys like I've been
sheffing for points off of you
the last three my big flop streak
must be actually quite ominous right now
I don't actually know how many I've had but I feel like
it's constantly coming in so a point for me
and I went
for Aston Martin and they got
double
points seven to eight
that was looking really good at one point when stroll was literally
if it had been a really boring race when nothing
happened it had
Fernando Alonso 13th
and Lance stroll last written all over it
but instead we got the crazy race
what happens in crazy races
Lance stroll spawns
into P7
I know that we do
critique him quite a lot
which is fair enough but like he does do
pretty well in some
he makes moves as well I think it's
the moves that he makes when
he's got the opportunity it's very
feisty some of his overtakes and stuff
I know stroll is a meme in itself
in himself but also
you have to applaud him when he makes something work like that
despite the horrendous weekend
he was having up until that point
I do actually want to throw in yet another biggest winner candidate
for that actually and it being Lance stroll
he's now ahead of Fernando in the championship again
Tommy thoughts?
Just going to mention that all the time
my thoughts are how many more
for our DNS until
Lance can actually catch Charlotte Clair and that title can resume
Relax yourself I mean
Lance stroll championship contention maybe
okay let's go to
pole position
where they went for Max Verstappen
that didn't work did it
fastest middle sector
and I went for
third of a point then do I get a third of a point
no not massing it yet
I went for Oscar
Piastri
well done you get 0.012
of a point congratulations
let's go to our top three then
in third position I had Oscar Piastri
nope I went for
Max Verstappen
I was still on until
Lando's failure of course
oh wow yeah actually it was
in second I went for Max Verstappen
which was indeed correct
somehow I can't believe
if you had told me that the only thing I would have got right
is my second position I'd be like excuse me
what's gone on here then
I went for
Lando Norris P2
it was on
it was on but it did not happen
in first I went for Lando Norris
shit so thank you Tommy for that one
thank you for giving me a point
because I wasn't going to go for Max P1
because I thought it was going to rain
and then it didn't rain
and I went for Oscar Piastri
so a point there and I was
one mechanical
failure from Lando Norris away from the perfect
all three points
but alas
thank goodness for that not for Lando
that's a massive point swing
that's a huge swing
in the real championship
it was in our championship because I would have got three points
you'd have got none but actually
it flipped if not only
flipped that way it also gave you Max P2
so
okay
thank you in some ways
one crazy prediction
I went for Gasly in the points
technically he was running in the points
and then I think he finished last
so thoughts
I went for Sonoda in the points
and he did actually get points
finally
okay
come on
come on
come on
Edith
you delivered for me
and I chose it so technically I'd deliver for myself
but also Edith you delivered for me
thank you so much
and Sophie
did my prediction for
all 20 drivers finished the race
and there were only two DNFs
and they were
both Ferraris
yeah right mate you didn't have to finish the sentence
calm yourself
family top three it's 8-5 to the Boring Bellingham
as we know
they are an entire clean streak ahead
in third position
my dad went for Max Verstappen
and my mum went for
Charlotte Clair
in second my dad went for Lando Norris
that is also incorrect sadly
and my mum went for
Landy Norris
and in first position my dad went for Oscar Piastri
so he was
as mentioned in the predictions he went for exactly the same as you
which would have been a three
pointer for the Gallicers
and sadly it's only one
but we gain
we're pushing it's 8-6
is Frank again filled in
next time again thoughts or maybe
my mum predicted Verstappen
sorry I jumped the gun with that one
you did jump the gun but wasn't a point
so yeah it's now 8-6
so no
we're closing
we're not bringing Frank up for this one
no Frank now
what was it in the main podcast
hang on
good surprise so I got one
two three
four points
and you got one
two
three points
three
I'll take that
what a championship this is
this is the real championship
great championship it really is
I'm glad we can't have 25 point prediction swings
yeah that's very true
but yeah that is it
okay so well on Tommy you are now leading the predictions
we look forward to
I think I have a feeling
you might extend
your lead after Monza
let's see about that one
what was your final thoughts
I was actually going to mention that
actually that
I wonder who you're going to go for for Monza prediction
because not only
is there a certain
team that you
would like to go for
for Monza we also know
the Matt Gallagher special of when
a team has really battled
so a P-17 and P-18
for Ferrari is locked in
for Monza for the good surprise
that's so true
that's so good of Ferrari to have
double DNF in Downsport
they just did that for you
I can biggest good surprise them all day long
hopefully I'm first pick I don't know
but maybe I'm not who knows
maybe I'm on mind games maybe I want you to
anyway don't pick for us
you are first pick actually as well yeah
I'm first pick well actually
my real final thoughts are
shout out to Australia for the amazing reaction
incredible I feel like we might be putting
a sold out graphic out very soon
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