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Hello, everybody, and welcome back.

To the people on podcast with Matt and Tommy,

we are here to reflect on the Dutch Grand Prix,

a race that we would tease a lot of rain, wouldn't we, Tommy?

We would tease so much rain.

It's raining three laps, raining a little, a little bit of moisture.

But that is not actually even the close to the talking point

of the race, so it's a little bit of a race.

It's a little bit of a race,

but that is not actually even the close to the talking points

that we have to discuss today, is there?

There's quite a few.

We thought it might be one of those podcasts where we just go,

yeah, we've got one more Zandvoort to go.

Perhaps it'll be pretty good that time

because this race wasn't,

but then it all just sort of kicked off

in a very strange way.

It certainly did.

I thought we'd be doing a whole hour podcast

about how car license penalty wasn't deserved,

but instead, yeah, plenty of craziness at the end.

It all just hell broke loose at the end, didn't it?

It certainly did.

Safety cars, virtual safety cars, everything else

was proper popping off.

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and we've got lots to talk about,

so let's dive straight into it.

Tommy, why don't you begin

with your most memorable moment?

Well, it has to be landing Norris's DNF,

a sad moment in the championship fight, of course,

because we even said in our,

when we're doing our bold predictions

at how much we didn't want reliability

to get involved in any way,

and it's just absolutely gutting

because even though

Piastri was always gonna win that race,

he was brilliant and it doesn't take anything

away from him, but you just don't want to see

a driver basically lose a chunk of points

through a mechanical failure

because it's been such a good championship fight,

they've been so close all year,

we really just wanted this one,

and it may still balance out, you never know,

but we wanted this one really to just be like,

done on the track 100%,

let them switch one to every single weekend

and go down to the wire,

but instead it has, of course,

made it quite a big gap in the championship

because of course, Piastri picked up

all 25 points and Lando ended up with nothing.

You certainly did, yes,

it's definitely one of the biggest moments for sure,

the championship is constantly like,

ah, Lando gets a few points here,

Oscar then fights back,

and we were obviously talking about the fact

that Lando's had three of the last four wins,

and we're wondering is this the momentum

now going in Lando's favor,

but it's a huge blow for Lando's championship,

it's not unassailable by any stretch of the imagination,

like we still got nine races to go,

so many points, if Lando's able to win,

say five on a bounce,

then he will take the championship lead,

but the thing is Oscar was marginally better this weekend

and Oscar has been better,

a lot of weekends this season,

Lando's of course had his moments as well,

but it's gonna be so hard for Lando

to pick himself up from this,

and I did find it kind of bizarre,

like the whole sort of post race,

sort of not commentary,

but on Sky, listening to them chat about,

ah, is this Lando now sort of let loose,

is he now gonna drive angry?

And I'm like, what are we talking about here?

He's lost 25 points, this is bad for Lando,

this cannot be switched around to being a positive,

it is a massive blow for his championship chances

and taking away that pressure

might help in the long run,

but the pressure will only build again

when he starts to catch Oscar if he ever does,

so for me it's a massive blow for Lando,

Oscar is without a doubt the favorite

by a country mile now, it has to be said,

because it's not like he's lucked himself

into this position,

he's led the championship for so many races now,

I can't remember exactly how many,

I think it's about 10 or so,

so yeah, it's gonna be really difficult for Lando,

it's not impossible, but you never wanna see it,

you never wanna see a reliability issue,

of course you had like Hamilton and Rosberg

when they were just trading wins and things like that,

and then Hamilton had his engine failure in Malaysia,

these are massive swings in the championship,

yes, Lando still would have lost seven points

to Oscar this time out, but it wouldn't have been 25,

so a tough one to swallow for sure.

Let's go into a question from P1Pit,

remember medium speed corner,

it's not high, it's not low, medium,

so about that McLaren reliability

you mentioned in the last episode,

Tommy, we talked about it, said they were bulletproof,

and it can happen, right, it hasn't,

yeah, you've got an apology,

it hasn't been fully confirmed

exactly what the issue has been,

and I know that there was a bit of hesitation over

whether it's, you can solely blame it on the engine

or whether it's chassis or whatever,

but these things can happen,

it hadn't happened for Lando for years,

hasn't it, the reliability issue I don't think,

but it has happened and you need to now apologize

to all Lando fans out there, thank you.

I will apologize, I actually listened back to the episode

and it's even worse than I remembered,

I'm gonna actually go,

I'm just gonna play a very short clip of it

because it is, we've done some really poorly aged things,

this might be the worst, no,

because it would have to be a crash as well,

because when I was looking at this,

I don't know, I kind of hadn't really thought of this,

I'm not really seeing this around,

so I apologize now because I'm gonna jinx it

because every time a stack gets brought up,

the next race it all goes wrong,

but that being said, I kind of felt like McLaren

don't ever have mechanical failures and breakdown.

And there we go, and then it basically went on

to talk about how Lando Norris didn't have

a mechanical failure for the last five years

and literally the very next race is car conks out,

so it's just getting because they have been bulletproof,

I know it's unfortunate, jinxing,

but they have been bulletproof

and that's something that McLaren had in their locker

that their car has been so reliable for all these years

and just yeah, it's a gutting time for that streak

to end basically.

For sure, that being said, if it is gonna happen

or rather happen now than four, three races to go

where some will then have more than a race win in hand

if we're talking about like absolute worst case scenarios

but it's still not good for the championship at all.

But as you say, it can level out, things can happen,

a crash can happen, whatever.

I think even Mark Webber said, didn't he,

after the race as well, he never takes interviews

but he did one and he was saying, look,

yeah, we've got points but it doesn't mean anything.

Well he knows all too well.

Yeah.

He knows all too well, literally 2010,

it was a championship fight between Mark Webber

and Fernando Alonso and then Sebastian Vettel

under the championship and it was all that kind of like,

Webber's gonna win the championship

and he's basically got one hand on the championship

and it can completely change,

like you can't just say it's over.

Certainly can't.

Next question, people on Patreon remember, Tote,

do we think Oscar has one hand

on the World Drivers Championship now?

I think he has like maybe three fingers,

that's what I'd say, that's kind of one hand.

Yeah, I think, go back to my last point,

he's ahead, he's definitely the favorite,

he's delivering week in, week out, he's right there.

He's not really having off weekends where,

perhaps in the last few years where he was learning

in his rookie season, he's only in his third season,

in his last two seasons, he's had moments

where he's not been on the pace,

the race pace has struggled

but we're not seeing that this year.

So yeah, Oscar has to be the favorite

and you look at, I think Mark put it quite nicely

of like the places where it could go wrong,

you've got Brazil, of course, there's Azerbaijan

which he mentioned where big mistakes can happen,

you've got Singapore, it's definitely looking in his favor

but let's relax, he's not the world champion,

there's nine races to go, nine times 25 is 225

plus the sprint races as well,

a lot of points on the board.

Absolutely, it's ridiculous to say championship over,

you don't know what's gonna happen in Formula One.

Yes, it's gonna be, I think the most difficult thing

is the fact that McLaren are so quick

so they're kind of gonna be locking in one twos

but Landau's had a mechanical failure,

it's not guaranteed that Oscar's not gonna have one

and equally because McLaren are so quick,

you've gotta think that if Oscar did have a mechanical failure

it's very, very unlikely that it wouldn't be anything

other than 25 points back towards Landau

because McLaren are so clear that they're,

so this is the thing, it's not like you've got

other drivers in the mix, so it can easily

go back the other way, I think to get too far ahead

and be like, oh, Oscar's got a hand on the trophy, it's over.

We've only just got, nine races is a lot of points

like you say and sprint points and things like that

and anything can happen, you're gonna go to

difficult circuits like Singapore

and it only takes a crazy rain shower,

like look at how the championship

right at the very start of the year,

when Landau had that championship lead

and how well Oscar was doing at the start,

we were saying, oh, imagine if Oscar hadn't gone off

at Melbourne, he'd be way clear and stuff like that,

so it can completely change again,

it can only take literally one moment

and Landau could be right back in it,

so and that's not even like trying to hype it up

when it's not there because it's still

very much on in my opinion, I think we've watched,

I've watched Formula One far too long

to basically be like, yeah, Oscar's won the championship

because it happens all the time,

I remember having the conversation even in 2021

about when Max had won a couple of races

towards the final hurdle and you kind of thought,

oh, no way is Mercedes gonna be able to do it

and then Hamilton got the new engine,

absolutely dominated the end of the season

and it was incredibly close, we talked about

Mark Webber, we've had Lewis Hamilton losing the championship

when he went into the gravel, so many things can happen.

They certainly can, let's head to my most memorable moment now

as that was a big moment but not the only one

because mine was Leclerc and Antonelli coming together,

just two wonderful pals at turn three banking

having a little ding dong, well, no,

actually just a ding because Charles didn't want the dong,

he was, that's one of the strangest things I've ever said.

That is the greatest slipper ever.

You know what I'm trying to say,

Charles didn't wanna play bowl, okay?

And he had to sadly because Kimmy Antonelli,

okay, so he pipped what the lap before, I think Kimmy,

they went for an aggressive strategy with soft tires,

went for a two stop, Leclerc and Ferrari

decided to cover him rather than just stay out,

which was an interesting decision

and Charles, despite getting yeeted, the first thing,

well, at least the first thing we heard

was that he questioned the strategy

rather than getting punted.

That was wild, by the way, that you did that.

Yeah, yeah, well, we don't get all of the team radio stuff

but like, yeah, that was the first thing

that was fed to us anyway.

So yeah, how do I feel about that?

So I know a lot of people will be questioning that.

Look, it wasn't for the win,

so I was still obviously mortified

and I felt like it was a very poor move from Antonelli.

Of course, his tires were up to speed, up to temperature

and he went for an audacious turn three move

but just completely, completely misjudged it

and it wasn't like, Leclerc was at the top of the banking

and Kimmy was at the bottom

and he just understood all the way

to the top of the banking to take out Lecler.

It's a shame because Ferrari, we looked on Friday

and I know I was on the podcast then

but I just sat there going, we are absolutely finished.

And then there was a chance

that Leclerc could have even got a podium

had it been maybe slightly more fortunate

but he was on for a top five

which I thought was gonna be completely

and absolutely out of the equation after Friday.

So yeah, it is disappointing for sure

but it's not the end of the world I guess

but thanks to all the thousands of people

that tuned in and to the watch along when it happened.

Yeah, they're not in the championship

or anything like that.

So like you say, yes.

I don't want P2 and the constructors either.

Take it.

Yeah, you just want a win or something

or write this year and finish with a win

but it's also disappointing for Antonelli

because from his side, he was about two

after quite a difficult start to the weekend

with going off in practice

and then not making it into Q3.

He was on for beating George Russell

and then instead, you know, he's gone

for an absolute damage after them.

Yeah, true.

Yeah, he's obviously that

but he's still gonna finish ahead of him on track

and even in all the context,

it would have been a big confidence boost for him

because he's had a really bad run of form

going into the summer break.

We said many times that he's the one

that needed that summer break

to do something completely different

and he's probably had one of his worst erases

has to be said because yeah,

it just didn't need to happen.

I know he's a young rookie,

desperate to try and prove himself

and I said he's one of these drivers.

This is why I was excited to see him in Formula One

and going for moves,

but not ones that literally aren't on

and it's so, it's almost near impossible

to do a move there.

I think even there was even a clip

during the rounds of like Max

and Gabi Portoletto speaking about it, saying,

you know, it's impossible to take the low line

because you just can't carry any speed through there.

So overtaking is pretty much impossible

but Kimmy still tried it

and he always gonna just go into the side of him

and just didn't need to happen for Kimmy Antonelli.

Yeah, it's a disaster for Kimmy

in the sense of a big points hole gone missing.

I guess the small positive side

is that he was showing that speed,

you know, to beat George Russell on the track.

Of course, George having that damage,

but he was still there.

He was still having a decent race.

But that I think is, that's a judgment

that I don't think many of the drivers

that have at least a few seasons under their belt

would have taken because it's just not worth the risk,

especially when you reflect on how Antonelli was,

as you say, before the summer break,

he was needing that to just reset and recharge.

And look, the pace is there, but it's a rookie era.

It's an absolute stone cold rookie era

to have gone for that move when he shouldn't have.

And I keep saying like he'll learn,

but you know, he's having a few moments now

and he's of course was struggling for pace as well

before the summer break.

Thankfully he's fixed that one,

but he needs to not be crashing into Charles Leclerre

in particular, please.

And thank you very much.

Yeah, don't do that ever again.

Next question comes from near Void.

Did Ferrari really need to pit Leclerre

when his tyres were decent?

No, I'm really surprised they did do that.

It seemed like a classic case.

And I can't believe it still happened

because of Hungary that you saw how difficult it was

to overtake Fernando Alonso.

I thought it was a crazy strategy

for what he did to basically sacrifice his position,

go all the way to back of a massive DRS train.

And yes, he overtook DRS.

A little bit.

DRS train.

It's the Dutch thing.

No, and go through the fact that he passed Hülkenberg,

it was kind of like, oh, he can make one position up,

but very slowly.

And everything we spoke about, the Hungarian Grand Prix,

I can't believe they were still kind of trying

to risk stuff like that.

And maybe Alex Alban, who we spoke to,

and he said, you know, we asked him,

why didn't you do the one-stop in Hungary?

And he was like, well, yeah, exactly.

He stuck to his guns and stayed out, didn't he?

When I guess Leclerre pited Leclerre

and sacrificed the place to Alban,

ended up getting a great result.

And then there's other people like Lance Stroll,

who did the same thing of just not pitting

until there were safety cars and things.

And it got him a great result.

So I just don't believe,

I can't believe that people do these risky strategies

of going for a two-stop

when we've just seen just how hard it is to overtake.

Yeah, Lec, my brain has been fully focused

on the incident itself,

that it hasn't really, at least until now,

started to process why Charles was even in that position.

Because, yeah, he went behind Russell and Alban,

I think, at the time, to cover Kimmy Antonelli.

Yeah, it's a bizarre choice for sure.

It makes me think, like,

is there just a fundamental communication issue

at Ferrari with both drivers

where they just make decisions

and the drivers have to accept it?

That's the way that I feel like, obviously,

that's the one thing

I've probably been slightly critical of Charles about

is the fact that I would love to see him

just say no to things and do what he thinks is correct.

Because he himself said, isn't that right?

Yeah, rather than afterwards going,

well, I think we should have done this.

It's Sanfort.

Alonso rocked up to the back of,

literally the back of the field

and started to make a couple of moves and stuff.

But it wasn't plain sailing.

And as you say, like Alex Albon,

the podcast we did with him,

if you haven't watched it, go and watch it.

It's amazing.

The fact that he gave us that sort of insight of,

well, we have like an optimal sort of strategy thing,

the two-stop versus the one-stop

and you need X amount of differential

in order to cruise past the car ahead

and you can see the data

and it says you should do this.

But then he goes, well, when DRS trains happen

when this happens and when that happens,

things can change.

It's like, well, yes.

So therefore the formula doesn't work.

It can't work.

It's not the same conditions every single time.

So for me, yeah, I was very surprised.

It's almost like Ferrari didn't know

that Charles had good tires and was fine.

And I'm like, what?

They're making decisions without maybe the full pitch.

Even though they feel like

they've got the full pitch of the pit wall.

How about Charles Leclerc, the guy that's driving it?

So he shouldn't have been in that position.

No, I think I do agree with that, to be honest with you.

And just carried on his merry way without getting punted.

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Does Mercedes need to demote Kimmy?

Bit harsh. It's a bit harsh.

The guy's in his rookie season.

He got Miami Sprint poll,

which I don't know how long

he's gonna hold him in the positive eyes of some people.

It does feel like a very long time ago,

but of course he had a podium at Canada.

And I think

there's no demotion in sight

for Kimmy Antonelli.

We know that with Toto Wolff

and how much he's invested in him

and how much he believes in him,

and I think it's fair that the belief is there

because he's shown mistakes, yes.

He's shown occasional lack of confidence,

but he's also shown that there is a high ceiling

that you really need to prove as a rookie in your first season,

I think, especially in Kimmy's position

where Toto believes in you

and just needs to see that potential.

So, no, they don't need to demote him,

but I feel like there has to be

an improvement come the end of the year

to just set himself up nicely for 26.

If he has a poor 2026,

when, yes, he's got a season under his belt,

but he's also got a completely new car to learn,

perhaps there's more pressure

that starts to ramp up,

especially if Max comes knocking

George Russell wins the championship in 2026.

Where does that put Kimmy Antonelli in 2027

if Max wants to go?

There's plenty of hypothetical scenarios right now,

but there's no demotion happening for Kimmy.

No, I don't think they'll demote him.

This question could be like

should they have gone with him in the first place?

And I think that's more of a

want to debate

because I think

he is certainly

showing the fact that

winning in a top team

is very difficult

and you're under

a huge amount of pressure, you're much more

in the spotlight

as, you know, the other rookies

who are

well, apart from Hadja today,

who will get onto did an amazing job,

but he's more in the spotlight

because he's got George Russell as his teammate

and Mercedes are meant to be at the front,

so the pressure is ramped up

even more that he has to deliver

and there's a very high expectation of him.

So he is learning

on the job, essentially

whilst being in a very, very good

car and a top team.

It's just such a strange situation

where I think Kimmy Antonelli

first half of

the season that we've done so far up to Canada

I think he's done

really, really well

and shown that, yeah, he does

have that high ceiling, but

needs to just like, improve here and there

it's the recent run of form

that you kind of would expect at the start

of the season that's gone really bad for him

and this just didn't need to happen today

should have just got

not gone for a crazy dive

bomb. Bags a great result

and then we're here talking about the fact that

this is the

exactly what he needed

going into the second half

of the season or after the summer break

a good result, yes he's been

a bit fortunate that he's beaten

George on the track

but look how well he's done, but instead

we're here and people are discussing

does he need to be demoted?

Exactly, a driver

that definitely does not need to be demoted

in fact actually there's definitely a joke

here where he might be on his way to demotion

with actually a promotion

is of course Isaac Hajar on the podium

I know it wasn't either of our memorable moments

but this is also a very

very big one to talk about

and I don't really know

how it happened, I don't know

what he's done but

he's somehow managed to just put that racing

balls right up there in qualifying

and then

was the driver able to capitalise

when Lando Norris had his issue

the fact that it was a racing ball

it was Isaac Hajar, a rookie

it's just an

absolutely phenomenal job

I can't believe

we've seen that today

It's incredible from him

and you said this in the watch long, I totally agree

it's not

like a pure complete

lucky podium, yes

he got fortunate that Lando had

the reliability

issue that put him one place

higher but it's not like

he got a crazy

pit stop strategy amongst the safety car

and it's launched him all the way from

the back to

a podium

just say Hülkenberg

but

it's not to take anything away from Hülkenberg

no, it's a different race

and like a

ghastly winner when he won

he got

the good fortune and made the most of it

and they're still incredible moments

and it's not taking anything away from them

but it was

a race where he qualified

incredibly well and was actually

staying ahead of

the other drivers around him

and he was there

to pick up, you know, only took one driver

dropping out the race

ahead of him to get that podium

it's not like we've seen

it because

obviously in the end both Ferraris went out under McLaren

but it was only the McLaren

that he needed to get that podium

so it's a sensational job

even if Lando hadn't had the

problem would still be

absolutely lauding this

as one of the drivers of the season

for him to finish P4 in the racing board

yeah, yeah for sure

and it's great to hear his emotion as well

especially after qualifying

we heard how much it meant

and then seeing those podium scenes afterwards

I just kind of had to rub my eyes

and be like, what is going on this season

it's just ridiculous

you've got the two H's of Hülkenberg

and Hajar getting a podium

but Hamilton hasn't had one in a Ferrari

if you'd have said that, if that had been your prediction

coming into this season

I think we would have all questioned

just how much you've actually watched Formula One

but it's a great job

but yeah, exactly

we've done some bold ones in the past

question from people on Patreon remember MZT

do you think Isaac will be

in the Red Bull next year

do you think he wants to be

yes, I think he will be

and I think he has to be

and I think he'll

take it

unfortunately

unfortunately you always

have to back yourself

to go there even if you've seen the form

and unfortunately that is

just the pressure of the Red Bull

and the step up that you have to take

that you have to go alongside Max

but luckily for him

and we're talking

next year here, not another

moment where it's mid-season

if you just go in next year you think

well it's new regulations

he can hopefully

learn there it's a completely

clean slate rather than him

halfway through the season driving this

lovely racing

balls that is seemingly like

quite a predictable car

that when you have great performances you can

get a lot out of to this

absolutely insane pointy

how on earth does Max first up and drive this thing

car so

yeah, I think he will

I personally think he will be in the Red Bull

next year

and

do you think he wants to be

I think he would

you just got to back yourself to

make the step up because I think it looks even worse

to basically say no I don't want to

I think he wants to be for sure

because

it's again, we're talking about ceilings of

drivers and potentials

you're not going to win the world championship in a racing

ball, you're just not

going to win the Red Bull

unless something drastically wrong

has happened in that camp

it's going to be the main team at Red Bull racing

do I think he's going to be

in the team

I'm not as convinced

just purely because

if you look at it like Yuki Sonoda

did almost as much

as what Hajar has done

to gain hype

and momentum if we're talking about

recency bias then obviously Hajar has

the momentum

with him because everyone's talking about him

and he's doing a phenomenal job in a rookie season

which I think is maybe where Isaac

gets more points is because

he's able to do these performances

already like where can he go

so I guess

for Red Bull it's a decision of

well we've given Yuki a chance

obviously it's not worked in this regulation of car

but he's also a great driver

does he deserve a

2026 opportunity to see if he can

get a handle of whatever beast

Red Bull create

or do we take another risk with Isaac

because it is a risk

putting Isaac up against Max Verstappen

to then see

how he does, is he able to perform at the same level

I don't know

it's an interesting one because I don't think it's a case of

Sonoda's terrible get him out

because you have to take more

than just this season

into account

Yuki didn't have testing for the Red Bull

it's a completely different car

I don't think it's as easy as saying Isaac's in

just yet, you look back in the last 3-4 races

Lawson was the one that was

getting all the attention as well

because he was the one scoring decent points

so it's choppin' and changing, I don't think Lawson's getting the promotion

to the Red Bull next year

but just sort of mentioning how

hype can change very quickly

in Formula One and in the media

next question

comes in from P1PictureMember

RubikCube

Sines getting 2 penalty points for that

incident is mad

what's your take on it

hands down one of the worst

stewarding decisions I have seen

in a very long time

what race are they watching

what

where did they learn

the racing rules

I don't understand

in any world

where Sines

is deemed at fault

for Carlos is him getting a puncture

and it deemed a racing incident in my opinion

I don't know what on board

have they just watched a rogue drone

cam that's at the wrong turn

and they've seen it in the corner of their eye

because that's the only way

they could possibly come up with this

and I love the fact Carlos was on the team radio

saying let me go to the stewards

I need to have a word with them

hopefully he's very sensible when he goes and has a word with them

but I am baffled

to see that he got a 10 second penalty

for two penalty points

for Lawson just sort of

moving over slightly

we spoke about it on the watch line

but never

at any point

did we go Carlos might get a penalty for that

insane

my first reaction

was

oh I want to see Lawson's on board

because if he has indeed tried to squeeze him there

I actually think it's on Lawson

for not giving Carlos any space

around the outside

and you go yeah it's the outside of a corner

but that turn one

is notorious for

that is really the move

it has been since

even when this was back on the calendar

in the 70's

all the overtakes at Zambor

is swooping around the outside of that first corner

Lando did it to Max for example

so that is

Carlos had every right to be there

it wasn't this absolutely

insane audacious attempt at an overtake

and the fact that

that yeah like if

if Lawson had

indeed not kind of got

a big amount of understeer

I feel like he should have given Carlos a bit more

room so if anything I think it would have been

maybe even borderline

a little bit of

Liam's fault

probably not a penalty but

Carlos's fault

is absolutely

insane I could completely understand why

it was so enraged but it was

it was a mad take

also you can absolutely

scrap now the part

where we say that the stewards do not take

into account the consequence of an action

because what they have seen

is contact

two drivers getting a puncture

but the overtaking driver

the one attempting to make the overtake Carlos signs

making contact with Liam Lawson

and Liam Lawson getting a puncture and therefore

the only way they have deemed that

as a penalty for signs in my opinion

is the fact that Lawson has been affected by

something that Carlos has tried to do

but that's not

what's supposed to happen

what are we doing here

I really obviously didn't

affect Carlos's race in terms of the penalty itself

because he was already out of it after the puncture

but

this is where you have the inconsistencies with

stewarding don't you and the fact that it changes

and

baffled by it to be honest with you

he's going to be raging

not only

he's had such

poor luck this year

and for him to qualify

as well as he did

and see Alex Alban take that result

that he has

is going to make him even more frustrated

I'm sure

things just aren't going his way

giving him penalty points

as well is just absolutely outrageous

penalty in the first place

very very bizarre

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next question comes in from P1P

remember Edith is my middle name

Oliver Bearman, pit lane

to P6

thoughts

finally is my thoughts

finally Ollie Bearman

we can stop saying

the thing we do

every single podcast when talking about

Ollie Bearman and saying he just needs that

one kind of good bit of fortune

where his good

drive is rewarded

and has a bit of luck go his way

and it did

and P6 is absolutely

brilliant the fact that he

there's no surprise

that Hass of all the teams

were the ones that tried something

different

and yeah it made it

work for them and I'm really glad

to see Bearman get that result

because he's not

his result in the championship

table

hasn't reflected how

good he's been

he's made mistakes as a rookie

and there's been a few moments

but he's still

in my opinion shown that he has got

some real talent

and could be something very special

in the future I think

as a lot of you will know

I've listened and watched

the P1 podcast for a little while

I've been an Ollie Bearman stand since the moment

he set out in a free practice session

for Hass and was pretty much on the pace

of whether it was Hülkenberg or Magnusson at the time

and I'm so happy

to see that he's finally

it's good fortune but it's also

like not binning it under

the red flag at Silverstone

it's just not silly errors as well

that has put him out of contention

or whatever it might be this was just a

phenomenal drive I think the strategy

was great from Hass as well

to put them in the mix

knowing full well that a five stop race

is not the way to go and to try

and get themselves into track position

somehow I think obviously the safety cars have helped

a little bit to put them in

into that sort of realm of scoring

points but also

P6 is phenomenal from the pit lane

so I'm so happy for him

it's been coming for a very long time

and I genuinely do believe

that he's a driver that will continue

to get better and better and I hope

this will give him a lot of momentum

into the rest of the season really

so well done Ollie Bearman

very happy indeed to see that

let's head to biggest winner shall we

Drive Raw team and who we

believe has won the most

I mean it depends

how you measure it but I think Hajar

is definitely going to be right up there

with that one I think Oscar Piastri

has won a lot in terms of the championship

may well have won the championship

with that one TNF we'll have to reflect on that

by the end of the year but

I think for me it has to be Hajar

what a drive from him

Yeah Hajar a definite

biggest winner just the fact that it was so unexpected

Oscar Piastri is a great

shout for the championship

and one thing I did want to add actually

because

at the start of

before about Oscar Piastri

is

yeah I still don't think

I don't think the narrative

should be like Oscar's won the championship

because of this move if that does

indeed happen we'll find

out when the point system

but

we're about to find out because Oscar

Piastri this weekend

was flawless

so can't take anything away

from him and he's got that good fortune

I guess from the fact that his

teammate has gone off but

sorry has had the

mechanical failure although

I have just seen that Landon Orris technically

was eight laps down and classified

so I didn't jinx him there wasn't a mechanical

DNF so there you go

So it was actually in fact a flop and he was just slow

that's what he was saying yeah

It was Hajar isn't it

Yeah it was Hajar indeed

but no I agree

there's a lot of great shares actually

about Oscar I think that he has

been top form this year

but let's see how many points he wins by

because it is definitely a moment we will reflect on

especially if it is

18 points or less that he

wins by because of course that was the swing

not saying that Landon would have won today because I really don't think he would have

Biggest loser

I think that probably has to be Landon Orris

to be honest with you

just purely because that is a massive swing

in the championship

it's not 25 points swing

because Oscar was winning that every day of the week

I think it's fair to say

So Landos definitely up there

I think Lewis losing the car

just on his own to be the driver

that does that in those

slippery conditions is something I can't believe

I can't believe that happened

that is

that's wild so

it has to be Landos biggest loser

but I think Hamilton is also a shout

for just

being on the pace

being very much comparable with

Charles now for the first time in maybe

a little while

and then ending the race like that

is a tough one to swallow

Yeah I think it's got to be Lando

on his unfortunate

failure

because it is such a big

moment

in the championship

and crazy to think that

you've got Ferrari with a double DNF

in 19th and 20th

and I don't think it's even them just because of how bad it

has gone for Lando

there and what a crucial

moment it could turn out to be

we'll find out

Yeah Ferrari is definitely as a whole

a very reasonable shout as well

not far away

a double DNF basically at the same

corner is ridiculous

and just Ferrari things

so I need another summer break now

of about four weeks if that's possible

oh no wait it's the Italian Grand Prix

we're so back baby we're winning it all

let's reflect on our predictions

that we made on Wednesday

to see how we did it's currently

37 a piece because of course it is

Michael Massey and this beautifully but we're not really

this is genuinely just going down to the wire

all the time because hashtag will knowledge

first and foremost

a good surprise what's being a will knowledge

my good surprise

for example was

Lewis Hamilton but I was forced

into changing it by this knob

I can't believe I just said knob on the podcast that's crazy

door knob that's fine that's like it's all good

so yeah I went for Lewis Hamilton that's no point

you ever need to know how much

competitive Matt is and how much

so competitive Tommy you know this

you saw it there

might as well step in easy zandvoort prediction

knew Matt would go for it

I'll be happy with the money Tommy

really hope you're happy with the money with that one

a big flop I went for Gabrielle Bortoletto

which sadly for him came in

I mean Sauber

what are you doing guys like I've been

sheffing for points off of you

the last three my big flop streak

must be actually quite ominous right now

I don't actually know how many I've had but I feel like

it's constantly coming in so a point for me

and I went

for Aston Martin and they got

double

points seven to eight

that was looking really good at one point when stroll was literally

if it had been a really boring race when nothing

happened it had

Fernando Alonso 13th

and Lance stroll last written all over it

but instead we got the crazy race

what happens in crazy races

Lance stroll spawns

into P7

I know that we do

critique him quite a lot

which is fair enough but like he does do

pretty well in some

he makes moves as well I think it's

the moves that he makes when

he's got the opportunity it's very

feisty some of his overtakes and stuff

I know stroll is a meme in itself

in himself but also

you have to applaud him when he makes something work like that

despite the horrendous weekend

he was having up until that point

I do actually want to throw in yet another biggest winner candidate

for that actually and it being Lance stroll

he's now ahead of Fernando in the championship again

Tommy thoughts?

Just going to mention that all the time

my thoughts are how many more

for our DNS until

Lance can actually catch Charlotte Clair and that title can resume

Relax yourself I mean

Lance stroll championship contention maybe

okay let's go to

pole position

where they went for Max Verstappen

that didn't work did it

fastest middle sector

and I went for

third of a point then do I get a third of a point

no not massing it yet

I went for Oscar

Piastri

well done you get 0.012

of a point congratulations

let's go to our top three then

in third position I had Oscar Piastri

nope I went for

Max Verstappen

I was still on until

Lando's failure of course

oh wow yeah actually it was

in second I went for Max Verstappen

which was indeed correct

somehow I can't believe

if you had told me that the only thing I would have got right

is my second position I'd be like excuse me

what's gone on here then

I went for

Lando Norris P2

it was on

it was on but it did not happen

in first I went for Lando Norris

shit so thank you Tommy for that one

thank you for giving me a point

because I wasn't going to go for Max P1

because I thought it was going to rain

and then it didn't rain

and I went for Oscar Piastri

so a point there and I was

one mechanical

failure from Lando Norris away from the perfect

all three points

but alas

thank goodness for that not for Lando

that's a massive point swing

that's a huge swing

in the real championship

it was in our championship because I would have got three points

you'd have got none but actually

it flipped if not only

flipped that way it also gave you Max P2

so

okay

thank you in some ways

one crazy prediction

I went for Gasly in the points

technically he was running in the points

and then I think he finished last

so thoughts

I went for Sonoda in the points

and he did actually get points

finally

okay

come on

Edith

you delivered for me

and I chose it so technically I'd deliver for myself

but also Edith you delivered for me

thank you so much

and Sophie

did my prediction for

all 20 drivers finished the race

and there were only two DNFs

and they were

both Ferraris

yeah right mate you didn't have to finish the sentence

calm yourself

family top three it's 8-5 to the Boring Bellingham

as we know

they are an entire clean streak ahead

in third position

my dad went for Max Verstappen

and my mum went for

Charlotte Clair

in second my dad went for Lando Norris

that is also incorrect sadly

and my mum went for

Landy Norris

and in first position my dad went for Oscar Piastri

so he was

as mentioned in the predictions he went for exactly the same as you

which would have been a three

pointer for the Gallicers

and sadly it's only one

but we gain

we're pushing it's 8-6

is Frank again filled in

next time again thoughts or maybe

my mum predicted Verstappen

sorry I jumped the gun with that one

you did jump the gun but wasn't a point

so yeah it's now 8-6

so no

we're closing

we're not bringing Frank up for this one

no Frank now

what was it in the main podcast

hang on

good surprise so I got one

two three

four points

and you got one

two

three points

three

I'll take that

what a championship this is

this is the real championship

great championship it really is

I'm glad we can't have 25 point prediction swings

yeah that's very true

but yeah that is it

okay so well on Tommy you are now leading the predictions

we look forward to

I think I have a feeling

you might extend

your lead after Monza

let's see about that one

what was your final thoughts

I was actually going to mention that

actually that

I wonder who you're going to go for for Monza prediction

because not only

is there a certain

team that you

would like to go for

for Monza we also know

the Matt Gallagher special of when

a team has really battled

so a P-17 and P-18

for Ferrari is locked in

for Monza for the good surprise

that's so true

that's so good of Ferrari to have

double DNF in Downsport

they just did that for you

I can biggest good surprise them all day long

hopefully I'm first pick I don't know

but maybe I'm not who knows

maybe I'm on mind games maybe I want you to

anyway don't pick for us

you are first pick actually as well yeah

I'm first pick well actually

my real final thoughts are

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