Tired: The Car Podcast For People Who Understand That Cars Are Bad Apr 4, 2026

Episode 112: A Heavily-Redacted Sebring Report

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Um, I've been writing all week. I've been trying I've been like so I mean it's so fucking slow because um

I've just been very um

Just busy with bullshit too. Just like appointments and in

Yeah, making your making your signs for the no kings rally today. Exactly. Yeah. Oh, yeah

That's that takes a lot of time

Down with this sort of thing. Wait, was it today? It was did I did I missed they lived out today?

It was big live out there again

I missed it again. I was also doing a bunch of bullshit and writing so solidarity

Yeah, but um

Guys gotta get some lamps

Yeah, lamb access

Get the lamb hookup somebody get some of the hookup with somebody who's got little lambs

The thing they say the thing about

The thing about like going to to florida

I mean you guys know that like I mean you've heard me complain for months now about just like how

I mean, they're sick or just like racked with pain and and you know, it's just like

Just it's just been just been non-stop

Just kind of shit show for me and my body for months

Um, hang on someone's chanting outside our window

Chanting

Did they think you're the kings? Yeah

I heard something I'm backing you up on that

Are you at the some kings rally?

Oh go out on the go out on the porch and yell at him

Darkie

So so then I I've you know, I went I

Drove to florida and spent in the better part of a week in florida and then drove all the way back

And when I got back, I mean apart from being like really tired from driving

Uh straight through pretty much

Like I felt I felt I felt good

It was like a very very alien thing or was like like, um

Why I woke up and like

Nothing hurts today. Like nothing's bothering me

like yet and and um

And I went to like

I went to physical therapy like on you know, I got I got back on on monday like around midday on monday and um

and tuesday is my

pt appointment so I so I go to and and uh my dude's just like, you know, well, how you feeling?

You know, and I'm just like it's weird. I feel like

I feel weirdly fine

And and uh, he says well, let's see like, you know

You know, put your put your arms up and you know, like do the just like, you know, do the range of motion things, you know, and and

And I go through and every one he's just like

whoa

The restorative power like like basically like

Well, I don't know. I mean is there stuff you want to work on still?

Wow

Went by and I just reset my whole shoulder all the bones vibrated back into place

Um, like can we do some deadlifts or?

Yeah, I mean, that's what he did. He had me like lifting weights and shit. Um, wow, but um

Anyway, but but of course the punchline is

Today I woke up and and like and you know since then

You know, it was nice here when I got back and or at least, you know, moderate and then like the last couple of days

It's like back to being, you know, like fucking sub sub freezing and um and just like shitty

And it's like and I'm right back to just being like

I know

And it's like, yeah, my shoulder fucking hurts again

And I woke up with a fucking migraine this morning. It's like god fucking damn it, man. I had a week

I got like a week off

That's pretty good. But uh, yeah, it's like do you think it was the heat?

I don't I wonder, you know, I have to I have to think it was like

I mean, maybe some part of it is is psychological, but I do think that like

I do think that when it's cold, I just like I hunch up more, you know, yeah

Tensing up

Yeah

I do for sure

I mean, I think there's a psychological thing too like where you're just stresses. Yeah, like causing you to

Right, but I will tell you I don't I don't like the idea

That having to go to florida. Yeah. Yeah, that's like

like if if if

If the thing that I have to do

To like not worth it live pain-free is move to florida

Not worth it. I mean, I had a good time. I had a good time in florida. Yeah. Well, that's gonna be part of florida

Um, I had a really I mean as always I always have a good time in florida. Um, but I

Really have a hard time imagining

living there

The uh

You should run some experiments on it though. You should turn up the heat in your house for a day and see if it feels better

Yeah, you should uh

Did you sleep? Did you camp?

I did camp

Because I will tell you

If I have

Dakes and pains and like tight muscles. Yeah, like seven out of ten times

It's

From sleeping in too soft of a bed and if I sleep on the floor for a long time

It straightens everything out or if I camp like usually like I will

That really does tend to help me

Um, like I I've been sleeping on the floor for weeks and a little dog mat down on the floor

Like a dog

It does it does help a lot like my shoulders and hips and stuff

But you should experiment with that too because if you could figure it out

Be a whole new world could be the heat. Yeah try this try a sauna. I do. I do finish. I think

Yeah, I I do think it's it's more temperature than anything else, but um go bowtas mode

It'd be nice to have a sauna the guy at the farmer the farmer's house we were at today had a um

sauna

Then I was eyeballing it like I could make one of those together in the weekend

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Valtteri bowtas just had on his instagram story like we got a guy who set us up once now

I can have a finished sauna anywhere while i'm on tour for formula one and then the camera pans over and it's his

Like bromance buddy panning the phone over and he's just over there naked in the sauna waving like great. I love formula one now

Thank you kind of laugh very good. Great. I am my quality of life is so much better. Anyway, there are guys who build

Isanas wherever you want forward forward that to uh, what's your name georgia?

Yeah

Oh my god, that's right. I read another half a million words of georgia. I have to update you guys on at some point

It's not do you want to get into oh, I mean I wait well, let's well, let's let's go let's go peter mode

Oh, is that a patreon thing? Yeah, yeah, we have time to get to georgia at some point

I'm almost due to read or which is like now. I don't now. I'm horrified. I don't have no idea

How bad it's going to get for me not for them. They're doing fine for me

There's a little pump house in the backyard that I promised I would turn into a playhouse this summer

But I'm like thinking about it and it's like

That could be a sauna

Good and really sweat it out. Yeah

Anyway, is this the stuff you wanted to talk about peter? I was trying to anticipate

I was trying to gas. Oh, no. No, my stuff is I mean my stuff is just all

Just my trip my my seabring my seabring. Okay carry on. I'm in my mind. Okay. I was I was uh,

I was imagining

The list of things that you compiled prior to coming on

And I was trying to anticipate

So that's what I was talking about the lambs. That's what I was talking about the sauna stuff

I've done hot guy watch now. We're on track. Yeah

What's the podcast? Oh, yeah, it's our show

Uh, it's tired the car podcast for people who understand that cars are bad

With your friends rory and maddie and me peter

Recently returned from a first time visit to seabring florida

Um a town of 11 000 people and is that real? Yeah

Yeah, like one of the one of the first um

Like I gotta say man the the

The thing that that um when I joked in the chat about um

About seabring making Daytona

Yeah seem like paris. Yeah, um, I'm not fucking joking like

I expected it to be like trashy but not

But like a town 11 000 people smaller than traver city. I mean, it's a it's a town but um

But it's it's it's a small town. It's a very small town. I mean, there's fucking nothing there. I mean, it's it's just like like there's a little

You know tiny cute little downtown where they had the um

The the transporter parade and and the kind of you know, the uh

Like the the night that I got down there like on tuesday night

They had like the little kind of

The thing in town, you know, like the the imsa imsa night in town, you know people can come out and

And um, and it was nice, you know people came out and and that little park that little downtown area is nice

I sat ate Cuban food like while the

transporter parade went by

um, and it was a scene, you know, there were lots of people there and there were some cars and and um

and you know dunham was there and and uh

um some of the

the Porsche guys drivers and and the

Taylor boys were were there just kind of you know answering

Doing a q&a kind of thing in the park and hey, you know, it was it was fun. Um

but um

but yeah, you get like

a couple blocks from that park and um

It's pretty fucking grim, man

like sea brings kind of a fucking armpit

and and um true florida

Yeah, it was a military base, right?

Well, so so so I mean that's the town the the airfield is is like it's I think it's like seven miles something like that outside of town

So so you drive you drive out of sea bring proper

Um, and it's you know, like 10 minute drive down the road

And that's when you get to the the airfield

And um, and that's where where the track is

There's not much there. I mean there's a fucking airport. There's there's kind of like that that um

That pit structure

um that I sent you guys the pictures of that and that um like when I I

I pulled in and uh

You know, I found I mean the camping thing it was it's a whole fucking thing man like where

I mean, I showed up in the in the early afternoon

Um, and I kind of took my time, you know, I mean I uh

You know, I got into to florida in the early a.m. And after you know, taking a couple of cat apps on the way down and um

And and I rolled you know roll

Like I say it took my time wash the car off because the drive was just like like I was driving through fucking blizzards all night

um coming down through the mountains in west virginia and shit

And and I didn't want to have like filthy car all week. So I like I stopped and washed my car and um

and then

yeah, I got to the

got to the track

found the the

You know place to get like my credential and stuff

And I said well, so I thought I've got like a campground like where do I do I just go there like oh, yeah, I just go around there

Okay, cool. Um

So I go to the entrance thinking like I'm just gonna like roll right in right and

There's no line or anything

Um, and I pull up and I'm like hey, I've got this, you know

You're like oh, well it doesn't open until two

Um, I'm like, okay. Uh, it's like 10 till right. Um, can I just like post up here or whatever?

Well, and the guy like calls to you know his his buddy. He's like

No, he's got to go to the pre staging area

what I discover

Is that the pre staging area?

um, which is like

Back down the street back down this other street

And it's like to the south of the track. There's just like this fucking

I mean like 10 football fields of of space

Of field

That's just like

rows upon rows upon rows of

RVs campers cars

This is the

The pre staging and like and it's totally unclear like where to fuck it like where the back of this thing is, you know

Like I'm just like like there's nobody there's nobody directing like I'm I keep stopping and like asking people

I'm like, is it my am I going to yeah? Yeah, let's go to the staging area

Okay, man. Um, so I I drive to what I think is the back of this thing and like pull in pull into this this

What seems like the last row

Behind, you know, some dudes in a fucking, you know camper one of those

RV america campers or whatever rental things and um

And I get out and I'm like, so is this

Am I good?

Yeah, they're like, yeah, man. It's cool. How's it going? What appear?

um, I was like, oh good and and um, but no, this is the priest so so the way this fucking works

Is this pre staging area?

Opened a month ago

Like a month prior to the race

And people people come before that and they

Pre-stage for the pre-stage so that they can fucking get their spot in line because there are no

I mean, there's like a few kind of like VIP areas where you can like pay to reserve, you know your your spot for your fucking

You know giant RV or whatever

but most of it

Like and the good the good most of the good spots

And the spots that are like the party zone spots

Which is like a huge area of the of the track of the infield

That's all just like it's open like there's not even fucking, you know, like at walkins glenn

There's like the the shit like burned into the ground, you know for like the spaces like delineating the space

There's none of that shit, man. I mean, this is just like

It's just completely open and just kind of like yeah, man. Go for it

You know you do you and and so people

so it's just this kind of like

kind of just chaos thing that

That somehow it is kind of like works out

But people do I mean people like like show up a month ahead of time

And just spend the whole time camping or like like lots of people are local

So they'll just like show up the day that it opens

Drop their their, you know RV there and then drive home or whatever just so they've got their spot in line

But I mean these are people people who have been doing this for like decades

Um, they have their spots. They have their their their compounds, you know around the track that they

You know keep from year to year and

and rebuild

I knew where I was going

Because I had contacted my buddy who I met at at indy last year my photographer friend

Can't who I just you know was camping next to

And uh, and he like shoots for like a few different teams and um

So I I had messaged him just being like, you know, hey man, I'm coming to seabring

Where where do I want to camp that I'm like not going to be like in the shit?

You know basically because like I want to have access to the shit. I want to be like

You know, I want to be able to like you don't want to sleep there. Exactly. I don't yeah

It's like I wanted I want to be able to get away from it too

and um

And he like showed me on the map like where he would be and

Which was just basically like right across, you know right over the bridge from

From the the front straight, which you know gets you over to the media center pretty quickly and pit lane and all that stuff

Which that's that's what I wanted and

So I ended up just camping next to him again. Um, and um, but

But it was just like like it's a whole fucking thing man and and

And the it's not just

It's not like at other races where

You know people just pull up and set up their their campsite

Here people set up

Like entire compounds, you know where they they'll have like

multiple, you know big groups of of people

Lots of vehicles they'll circle like they'll array them and like

Circles kind of creating like these courtyards along the track

It's very cool the way they you know like a big part of like the backside of the track

there's

There's like a walkway between the track

So there's like the track and then the fence and then this kind of like

You know 10 foot

kind of walkway or whatever and then another fence and that's where the campers are and um

So those guys the those campsites are basically track side, but there's also like a buffer where you you know, you don't have to be like

You know we're just like foot traffic can can walk past

and uh

But but these people who are in these track side sites

They start

Like immediately as soon as they fucking get there

They go to work

They they fucking bring lumber, dude

They start fucking erecting these like

You know, it's like like you know like at a trade show, you know

Like when people have like these these like portable structures

I mean people come in with like fucking scaffolding

And like and like trail, you know

I mean some of them are just like pre-built like on on trailers that they just tow in and it's kind of like ready to go there

These dudes who who I pulled in behind like when I when I pulled into the pre-stage thing

You know, I start talking to them and they're like, you know, oh, we just you know

We just came in I came from this place and he just flew in from st. Louis and blah blah blah

Um, but we got buddies here and and you know, we they've got a like we're gonna have

Like you got to find us man. You got to find us. You got to come back. We'll be between you know this turn this turn

We will have the we will have the best set up here. They also told me

they'd been coming since the early 90s and um

You know, I I I asked him I said like is it pretty crazy over

where you guys

camp

and

and he's just like

Ah man, it's it's like it's like 10 percent what it used to be man

You know and and he said that that

Him and his his dudes they all started coming like in the early 90s. I think they're about the same age as me

maybe a little bit younger

So, you know would have been like in their late teens early 20s

And they said that he said that like then

it was um

You know, it was it was basically a shit show and um

We lost matty. Uh, he says it'll be right back. Um

That um

Yeah, you would just see like uh

People like fucking in the open

like, you know, it's like

Um, like that kind of so like a real kind of yeah, just debauched totally

Spring spring

Spring bright

Like that that kind of vibe

Um, and he's like, yeah, that doesn't really happen anymore. Um, but he said also that like

The older the old timers

Then you know when they showed up, you know guys who had been coming like since the 60s 70s 80s

Like they're like they they said the same thing. It's like, oh man. This is like, yeah, this is nothing compared to what it used to be

So you can just imagine like I don't know what was going on there in the 70s

If it was just like I haven't seen anybody get eaten here in a long time

Exactly

This is pretty horrible now. It was just like a full on, you know, like orgy or whatever

but um, but yeah, that was that was funny to to uh to hear about and um

It's funny the structure thing. It's like, uh

If there's one thing that like car people are really bad at it's understanding, um the

value of their time and it's like

You know like spending however long it takes to build the structure at home or set it up

Whatever prep for or whatever like for a 12 hour

race is like

Such a such a car person thing to do or it's like, oh, yeah, if I I could I could

Go buy a new car from a dealership or I could buy this old car

And spend thousands of hours

Fixing it at at greater expense and then I would have a lesser car at the end. It's like

Totally irrational

Which it checks out that makes sense

Yeah, yeah

Well, and that's also it's I mean

It's not just for the 12 hour race. I mean it is I mean this was

You know the gates open on tuesday

So they're setting this shit up. So I mean, you know, you're gonna be there all week like this. This is a week long thing

But yes, I mean, yeah point point taken I mean it is

But but I mean the amount of of just like

Yeah, just kind of work and and planning and

Because it's it's also just like

Like it's it's not just building the shit. It's it's um

Like these things are all

They're all themed, you know, like this is it sounds like burning man for non losers

Yeah, no, it's it is it's kind of it's kind of automotive burning man, you know where it's like

Oh, yeah, we put up, you know, here's here's the here's the western saloon that we do every year, you know

And it's like and it's a fucking like it looks like an old west saloon and they've got

You know, there's fucking there's like a steer skull above the thing, you know and and um

And and there's like a million of these things just around the track all different ones and you know each turn like they've all got their

you know

You know the turn nine crew. We're the turn seven crew. We're the turn ten crew, you know and and um

Yeah, it's it's it's it's pretty

I mean, it's it's unique. I haven't I haven't encountered

That anywhere else although

I will say I mean the the other part of this is that

Every one of these things the thing that unites them all

And I wrote about this in the the story is that it's um

They are all unified by by this this this common theme of just

Getting fucked up

Like we are here to fucking rage

And but but the way that this manifests, it's like it's not in people actually raging

It's just like in this all this like fucking like cracker barrel kitsch shit just everywhere

the signs and flags and just like, you know

Like like it's beer o'clock or what? You know, it's just like the corniest

Yeah, and and um and I mean this is just it's everywhere and and it's funny the

My my other neighbor, you know camping neighbor a guy who pulled up on the other side who who

Guy like a few years older than me

First time at sea bring but he's he's been coming to daytona for a long time. He's he's like a tallahassee guy

good dude and and um

You mean that's his favorite mountain guts album or he's from tallahassee. He's he's from tallahassee. Okay. Just to clarify

Well, he does have he did work like in in like

He's like live, you know, he's like he's he's worked in concert stuff like for for decades, whatever

Um, uh, he's like, oh, I never worked mountain goats. Uh, you know, I've heard of you guys. Yeah

but uh

Anyway, he um

He was he was kind of he was very uh

Not not like

He he's he's he's kind of like I don't know man. I'm kind of reserved in judgment on this whole thing

Like I see I'm seeing a lot of performative silliness around

Like he wasn't buying it, you know guys drinking matcha. They got their tote bags. They got I mean

It's not it's not like that but it's more just like diddy and buck out

No, it's it's more like it's more it's more like fucking it's it's jimmy buffet, man

It's it's that kind of like yeah, totally jimmy buffet. It's like you're you're not here to get fucking

Drunk, you're right to to drink three beers and go to sleep at 10 o'clock

Exactly, but you have the accoutrements of someone who's here to kill themselves with all

That's or I think I think for a lot of these people and and I mean

And I don't want to I don't want to over general generalize because I mean there were plenty of fucking younger people there too

Um, plenty of people younger than me and people partying, you know, and um, but

But a lot of a lot of these crews

Like the big trackside crews

Um, it seems like I mean they're they're boomers and and up and they're people who have been coming here

And and maybe who were were there during, you know, for the rowdiest of the rowdy times. Yeah

But like yeah, you can't do that in your 70s. No, I was gonna say that's like that's been my experience too with most of the racing stuff

like a lot of the

Is that it's just

It's not that fun

To drink a ton if you're hungover for three days

Daytona is the same thing for NASCAR and for

for

the 24 now I feel like

And I don't know if that's better or worse. I feel like for me most of and I and I will say I have not been to like some of the more

Out of supposedly out of control NASCAR races, but it's also like

Shit's expensive to go to now

Uh, and it's like you know what I mean? It's like

I feel like maybe it's a

Different vibe because it's something that you go pay a lot of money for versus like

Something that is more or less free to do. You know what I mean? Like, yeah

I wonder I wonder if like, I mean, I've never been to any of those like grid life

things I wonder if if

Which I know kind of cater to it to younger

Good life is pretty chill. They're graphic and and you know, they've got like

you know

Techno music and like rave style. They're pretty chill. I don't know if people are actually like

Like throwing down or whatever, but yeah, I I mean, I think like I guess in general

The

This is gonna sound crazy to say, but I'm trying to think of like the last time that I saw

A like party party where it was like, oh, this is dangerous like this is like this is a situation

I have we lost have we lost our our american

Like will to party. I think that may be the case. I think

I mean, you don't even really see stuff like like, I mean it used to be you would see you would see spring break

You know, there would always be like news stories coming out of spring break about just like how you know

People had just died of alcohol violence and out of control

I guess maybe like during during during covet like, you know at the beginning of covet, right that spring break

You know, and then those guys said if I get the rona get the rona or whatever, you know, it's like, I'm not gonna suck

Although that boy's got long covet now. I don't want to party anymore

Maybe that's what happened. Damn. I'm trying to I'm trying to think like even

Like college tailgating doesn't seem that crazy anymore. And it's like, right

Yeah, people even get like killed like during like hazing rituals anymore

Hazing is pretty pretty out of fashion these days. They're all those lawsuits, right? All those frats got sued

Right. Uh, did I ever tell you guys this this the story about going to the frat at Hillsdale College? The uh

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Many such cases

You just yeah, it's being in trouble being in trouble as a mindset being trouble is a fake idea

As the great as the great poet once said it's being in trouble is uh

Is uh, what is it? Uh, it's a sign of weakness. It's a it's a

It's a societal construct. Now. What do you say? It's uh

Anyway, um, but don't don't do it. Don't ever think you're in trouble. Um, it's true

I don't what we're talking about. You're not you're not in trouble. You're not in trouble

Until unless and until and unless you uh allow somebody to convince you that you are in trouble. Yeah

Yeah, I and I like I will I will even say

I've been in a jail cell and unconvinced that I was in trouble and I was chopping it up

I was chopping it up with the deputies who were in there and they'd let me go early

and I

I think that's a

That's the power of the in trouble mindset or not being a trouble mindset

One of the one of the guys actually said I can't believe they brought you in for this and I was like me either

Right, seriously, he was like we'll get you out of here and I was like appreciate it. Let me go

Just uh

man, you should you should teach like a um

Like a master's seminar or something

New jordan peterson your woke two is going to crown you the new clean your room. You're not in trouble guy

Don't worry about cleaning your room. No one can tell you to clean your room

Don't worry about it. It'll be fine. It'll be fine

It's fine

The king of work too seriously man in trouble. Yes

No, the the it'll be fine motivational speaker

so real

Uh, wow, it's true. I will be I I don't even I don't even know how to follow any of that. What were we talking about? We were talking about, uh

If we're fret boys not like a drink anymore. Yeah the partying at sea breaking

Long long story. I'll cut to the chase in terms of the partying

45 minute digression. Yeah, no, it's fine. I saw so little actual partying. Yeah

Until no

Until

it got dark

on race day

10 hours into this 12 hour race

We've been here all fucking week, you know

And it's just like come on. This is like all fucking talk. No action

Yeah, um

And then uh, and then I met up with jimmy around around sunday

Good um friend of the pod jimmy friend friend of the pod jimmy pelsari

And

And we we we wandered over

To to the kind of to the shit show, you know to the the the

That that back back stretch like between those those turns where all the the real action is

and

Suddenly now

It feels like a party, you know, like with the cars going by

You know with the brakes glowing and the fucking exhaust spitting fire and the car's going down to you

And now like people are really out and it's like

Like yeah, and and and like all these places that I had walked past like, you know a dozen times

Throughout the week and just been like

Nothing, huh? Whatever whatever man like now it it had come alive and um

And jimmy you know and the thing is like like these all of these spots like where these people have these places

They want you to come in, you know, it's not like this is just for us

Yeah, I know no they're fucking hosting a party. They want to fucking, you know, like they're harangue, you know

It's almost like they got barkers, you know, it's like come on in, you know

And um, so we ended up, you know jimmy bought a shirt, you know turn 10 crew shirt or whatever

We we went up on the their their platform and and watched uh for a long time

Totally great super like the vibe was was was like awesome and

You know we headed down we passed my dudes who I I had I had found my my guys from from the uh,

From the pre-stage area like early in the week and and they're set up

It was it was fucking incredible

It was like it was so

So sketchy

But I mean it was like fucking three stories the top the top platform is just like this like very narrow platform

That's got two couches on top of it and it's just like to get up there

Like you have to climb this fucking ladder that I mean the ladder itself is perched upon like the second story platform

That's already like 20 feet in the air

That is not the ocean four foot distance is required for a ladder

And this ladder this ladder is like straight up just like fucking vertical, you know

And I've got my fucking chunky hocus on and I've got my camera and shit

And the dudes it's like he's like go to the top go to the top man. It's safe

Dude, I want to go in there with a clipboard and they like ocean regulations for a scaffold and be like like bro

If you got to tell me it's safe like no, that's a classic. I'm safe

But I went out there the thing is I went up there

I went up there. It was awesome. I mean it was fucking rad. You could see forever. I mean it was just like

I mean it was as sick as

But anyway, so so you know jimmy and I like we we walked down we we end up

at at turn seven which is the the hairpin turn which

I mean it's the thing I finally fucking understand seabring now like the layout

The thing about like watching it on tv. I mean I've watched it for fucking years on on you know youtube or whatever

videos and stuff

And it all just fucking looks the same, you know, I mean it's just flat and there's just you know the background is just

Fucking RVs and trailers and shit, you know or just like warehouses at one spot or you know

Like sometimes they go past the airport or whatever, but it's just like

It's it's everything just looks like everything else. It's impossible to tell where they are on the track

Now I fucking get it turn seven is the one is like one of the few spots where you would recognize it because that's where they

Go around that corner where there's the hotel

I am on the outside of the corner

But on the inside there's like a like a viewing mound and a grandstand and and this is one of the areas where like

I mean it's it's a really cool spot to watch and and there's like the videos

You know, they've got one of the big kind of portable video screens there, too

So you can actually like like that's kind of where I wanted to

End up for the end of the race

Because we just be able to

It's like it's a good action spot for the cars, but it's also like you can you can

You know actually keep track of what's what's happening in the race as the race is winding down

But it's also

I had I had noted earlier in the day

there were a number of

Conspicuous couches that were newly arrayed on on this

Embankment and this is this is a thing that you would see like, you know throughout the week, you know

People with their couches and it's kind of there's kind of the famous

Sebring thing of like at the end of the race. They set the car just on fire

We used to do that. We used to do that at michigan state, too

Go on

Yeah, so so anyways, so we end up down at at at turn seven for the end of the race pretty exciting

um and

You know last last few laps. There was there was a great, uh very exciting move in in, uh

Uh in gtd where antonio foco, uh

I was sad because I was rooting for for the uh for the harder racing aster martin

That was leading with with dudu barrakello

but, um

foco

Last lap final lap like made the move and uh had been hounding hounding that car for for laps and got past them

But that was cool porches

Porches had been winning the the whole fucking race whatever we can talk about that later, but um

Point is race ends fireworks go up the fucking couch is now on fire

The thing i'm just like like and just and everybody's just fucking, you know, it's just this this sea of humanity

Surrounding this, you know what's now like a bonfire just going like

You know flames just 20 feet in the air with this backdrop of the fireworks going off back here

Super fucking apocalyptic super awesome. You know it's like

And you know it burns for like 10 minutes or whatever and then you hear like the walk walk, you know the

It's like oh shit here comes the fucking

You know, it's like they're gonna spray everybody run, you know, because

They get out the fire hose and they're spraying

Yeah, it was it was um

It was pretty awesome. It was pretty rad and and

Yeah, it really felt like like the whole the whole week

Was just kind of waiting around

for for those

For those those last two hours and that thing and the thing I said to jimmy as we're you know as we're walking

and and we were both just fucking drinking it in and

And just how how great it was just you know the cars, you know and and just the vibe and and the people and everything I said

The problem with most races

Is that they happen during the daytime?

It's so much fucking cooler at night, man

In the dark, it's just another fucking animal. Yeah

There's just something magic about it. I mean, it's like every fucking race that I've ever been to

That's in the dark. It's just that's true

It's just rad. Um, yeah

And and with sea bring it's so compressed, you know, it's just like this this this, you know

Little sliver at the end that you get but um, but man, it's that's the money

there is

think it does go back to my

my being tired

thesis of

How nice it is to be tired like when you've been doing something all day you wake up early in the morning

And it's like you're 12 hours into it and you're starting you're starting to get into the zone of

Good tiredness or like good fatigue when like yeah magic can happen

Yeah, well, especially when you've been just like listening, you know

Years have been pounded by fucking race cars for 12 hours. Yeah, it's like it's taken it out of you like you're the like getting like

That fatigue and then it's like yeah, the good

The good that's good. I jimmy has told me and you have told me I think now that sea bring is more fun than daytona

Um, which I always have such a good time at daytona and I I need to

To do sea bring at some point. Um, yeah, I don't I don't know. I don't know if I would say it's more fun

It's um, it's just it's a different it's a different animal. It's a different thing

um, it's

Yeah, um, I don't yeah, it's I'm still kind of wrapping my head around the experience. Um

It's it's mostly not that pleasant because it is so so just kind of primitive and shitty. Yeah, you know

It's just um

I mean, there's not really any comfort. There's not like a cool, you know, the fucking even like the media center, you know, which which

I I had access to

It's

It's just like these tiny rooms with no windows. Yeah

You're not even up in the fucking thing, you know, like like the there used to be I

Oh, I um

I met uh, steven cole smith said to say yeah, he he emailed me and said he met you and that you seem like a guy

Yeah, yeah, no he it was it was uh

Yeah, do you have steven cole smith stories?

He's I liked him. He's the best. Yeah. Oh, okay. Cool. Yeah

He uh, I don't have any bad stories about steven cole smith. I'll say that

cool

But yeah, I mean, but he was telling me how like, yeah, the you know

The the press box used to be up, you know, where you think it would be in the in the tower with the you know

Because there is a tower, you know, um in on that kind of that pit laid structure that that um

That has all the the uh

The years and the flags and the cars that was cool. Yeah

That's the thing that fucking knocked me out when I fucking pulled up

And and saw that because it goes back to 1950 fucking

Man

And and just like and going and I mean I I knew

kind of

I hadn't I had I mean I knew the history

But it's like when you actually fucking go back

Yeah, and and look at at not just the the people who I mean, you know, fondio won there twice

There is the fondio terrace

Yeah

And and the back part, you know that the fondio chicane, which is that the back part of the track that we were walking along

But um

But like

I mean fucking mike hawthorne. Yeah, you know

Like fucking rene dryfus. Yeah, I mean they're like he's just fucking names from another like they were like

Another age, you know, I mean fucking rene dryfus is like a fucking pre-war driver. Yeah, you know

He drove fucking bugatti's in the 30s. There is

Go ahead

No, I mean that's that's I'm so just like that layer of it is crazy

But but yeah, I mean the press box used to be in that glass tower. It's not anymore like that's vip shit now

I used to I used to say this about uh detroit and I think like there's

There are places

That are old and that have not been

Kind of like substantially remodeled when it's like, yeah, probably they they should you know, like right sea bring

Would probably benefit from a little spit shine here and there

But the

The their value kind of like as that

I don't want to say like a museum or whatever, but it's like in detroit. It's like

You know, you go to a major american city like chicago or or new york or whatever and it's like

Those cities have been

Remade half a dozen times since since the turn of the century, you know since whatever

Uh in detroit has not it's like detroit came into existence

and froze

Mostly in the 60 50s and 60s and it's like so like the the level of like

it's like

The same buildings the same door handles the same elevator buttons were all here like they were all you know

I mean, it's like and that's like probably the similar thing at sea bring where it's like

Yeah, this is like uh kind of shown its age a little bit, but it's also like

Uh fund you touched this thing that's here now

That's a thing, huh?

And I mean and I mean the track the track itself the course itself has has sure

Has has has evolved, you know over time. It's gone through through a number of different layouts

But but there are large sections of that course that have remained constant since since that time, you know since the original

um layout and and

But kind of most importantly is just

the

The general air of the place, you know

it it

It's impossible to think that it has

That it was any different then, you know, I mean, yeah, right just because you know

Yeah, I mean it's because it's just it's just this kind of inhospitable place

Yeah

and um

And there aren't you know, I mean apart from like, you know

That that tower, you know being this kind of like tiny concession to like well, we got it

We need a vip space somewhere

And that hotel

I mean, that's it like there are no fucking amenities

So weird like permanent ones. I mean the thing is like, you know, there are

I mean like for camping and stuff, you know, I mean they bring in like the portable showers and stuff that are actually quite nice

I mean, it was it was fine. I never felt like

Yeah, I was I wasn't uncomfortable in in that like in a hygiene way, but um, but it just yeah, it's it's um

I also I think I also got lucky just because this year was

Uh extremely mild temperature wise like it's usually very hot and very dusty and dry

um, and it was uh, it was

Super nice the whole time I was there like race day was like the hottest day and and that got up to like

I think like 82 or something. You know, I mean it was it was very comfortable

It's funny the like

I love

I love the MC schedule for this but like

You have

This world of people who are like

I have been to monaco have go to the mall every year

Do you like I said I said this in the story, man

Like I love I love

I love making them go to Daytona and see ring and just like

Got have a look have a look around fellas. Like this is what the rest. This is what america is like and it's like

I mean, that's the thing I have to think that that I mean, I actually I asked um

I have I have a whole list of of like my my kind of impressions and encounters of of of people that I ran into but um

But one of the people I talked to briefly was um, it was this guy harry king who is is a young driver who is um

English

Kid who's who's driving uh with nicked handy in the uh, the aio

Porsche the the rexie or yeah, roxy this this weekend

But um and he

He apparently is just like this total phenom, you know, and and um, I forget like what what series he's come out of

You know, it's like Porsche stuff or I think like, you know, whatever english series, but um

But he's he's kind of like this this real kind of up and coming

Driver and and and pairing him and he's english and pairing him with nicked handy. He's he's kind of like a young nicked handy and and um

Uh, but I saw you know, I spotted him, you know, just like

before the the grid walk out there and and um

And I was just like hey man

You know, is this is your first time here?

He's like, oh, yeah, you see that first every everything here every, you know, everything this season, you know, like this this whole this, you know

Everything that i'm doing this year, you know, and it imsa will be new i've never raced in the states before

And uh, and I asked him just kind of like like what I said

It's my first time here, too

And I got to say like i'm kind of like I mean, what do you think it's kind of a dump, right?

Yeah

And he was he was very diplomatic

Um, oh, yeah, yeah, I mean he was he was way fucking too polished. I mean like like all these fucking young drivers

Yeah, yeah, just like way too polished to give me the answer that I was like

I mean it was actually very funny because

Um, I don't know if he just like had noticed, you know, like my laminate

Said media or whatever, but it was it was almost like I had just I had just like pulled the cord on him

Because he immediately just started talking about like, you know, the car's feeling really good and we've got a really great shot for this week

You know, you know, I'm just like

Okay, man

I'm gonna go fight for you this sucks

Like no, no, this isn't real. This is an alloy. Look it says alloy on it. What is that? It's like i'm not actually like

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. It's not like that at all. I'm just here to talk shit, man. Yeah

This just gets me in for free this

Uh, but it's cool

He was I mean that's that is genuinely the line that I use when I get into a conversation with somebody that I

Something I hear some shit that I'm not supposed to hear. I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna remember this

Let's be 24 hours from now. How would I know? How would do I look like I'm taking notes?

right

But that's the thing is like like I have to think though that for those guys

You know for drivers coming over from from Europe or or wherever else in the world

Um and and coming here specifically to race in imsa

um and going to places

like fucking seabring

I mean, I don't they are getting no go ahead

They are getting a more accurate

um, yeah

Their idea of what the united states is is so much more accurate and representative than that of almost any other person

Coming here for work or as as a tourist, you know

Yeah, it's true. It's very and it's very

I mean, it's like I don't even know

And it's like, I don't know. I guess I only go to europe for work or as a tourist. So

this is like kind of stupid to say but it's like

What would be the equivalent in europe of a place like seabring?

I mean, there certainly are places like that in in england and germany like where they race bangers and like

Yeah, I mean, I live in the town or whatever, but like I've definitely I've definitely played in

In some towns

in the uk or in germany or in uh, you know, they're just like

Yeah, this is this is like this is not a

This this is there's no reason to come to this place. Yeah

I mean, there's there's a lot of places. Go ahead

Good. No, but I was just gonna say I mean, but I mean in some ways. I mean when it's not in germany, um

uh, those are some of my favorite places to go because because it

They are the places where it's like. Oh, this is a real place. This isn't. Yeah. Yeah, this isn't

I mean like just showing off here just out of curiosity. I mean, it's like when I was in fucking per

You know when I did that that, you know land rover trip in peru

And they took us to fucking, you know cusco and and machu pichu and and you know and did like this insane drive

My favorite fucking part of that was the fact that we ended up in that weird city

Wonkayo like for an extra day because you know our plane out, you know our flight out of there got got

cancelled

And this town which is just like

Just a city. I mean, it's it's a proper city just like in central peru

That is like

It's not a place that anybody goes to it's not there's not a single tourist there. Um, it is just a real

gritty

Authentic fucking like it's just a real place. It's a place where people live, you know and and um, and it was so cool

You know and it was just full of fucking red, you know like eighties

You know toyotas and hundays and shit, you know for me to take pictures of and and um

But I loved it. I mean I loved just that it was it was so like

Like oh, this is this is actually

Peru, you know, it's it's it's um

Yeah, like I felt like I got more of a sense of of what life is like here

The two days that I spent in that city than I did any

Many other part of it

There are there are places up here and I was like reading a news story up here about like, um

It's like whatever I was like, uh

Kids who live in these little towns up here and it's like oh they have to make a decision about like

Whether they're going to stay in this town or like go elsewhere to like pursue a career in education or whatever

and the

Just of the article was like well, why do they have to?

Choose between their home and like having a career and

The thought that is in the back of my head is like I'm from small town. I'm like

I like I feel like I have a right to say this or maybe like at least like the context to say it

But it's like why did these towns exist at all and it's like

like Traverse City

It's like whatever it's on the water at least like you know what I mean like there's a port there like I could like okay

Maybe like that's a con that's a reason historically for a city to exist

but there are so many cities up here that are just like

Absolutely no

geographic

Significance or difference from yeah, like like the absolute wilderness

That is 20 miles in the other direction and it's just like there's a town here

And it's like, uh

I don't I mean like that's that's I guess like the seabring thing where it's just like why is this here

Why it's like from a european perspective. It's like what like what but it's like because some guy came here

And it was free and he was like all right

Look, you know what I mean like or like the fucking wheel fell off my wagon. So I guess this is where I live like it's like

Yeah, it's like

I I love I love that for the europeans to come and get that experience. It's a very very satisfying for me

Yeah, it's it's kind of like um

It's it's it's sort of just like the very long the very long arm of history coming back where it's like hey

Yep

It's kind of your fault that we're here. Yeah

And uh, you guys did your your your forefathers did this and ours have done this and here we are meeting in the middle somehow

Yeah

Now the one european who does not deserve to suffer any kind of uh slings or arrows at seabring is of course our

Beloved main man ferdy havesburg who you ran into peter

Yeah, I did ferdy. Yeah, had had a had a really nice um

So he was here driving

I can't remember if he

He was at he was at detona, right? Was he driving the same car?

Is he doing the full see he he must be doing the full season with um

He was in

the um

The number 18 the the era motorsport

Lmp2 car, which is the the navine rau

car that's the guy who um

Yeah, navine rau is is uh the tech billionaire

What I did look up his let me pull up his um, please

Oh, shit, we're out of the areas

Uh, he he founded a company called nir nir vana n e r vana, of course. That's clever. Yep

Yeah, um nir vana the company

The band it was let's say it's a it was a leader in the deep learning field

Oh, yeah, of course before he founded that he was a neuromorphic machines researcher at qualcom

Where he focused on neural computation and learning in artificial systems

So he's an ai guy and he his his company's called unconventional ai and I think it's worth like four billion dollars or something

um, but he's also the guy who um

You'll remember uh at the um, the rolex 24

That race started. I was gonna ask if he was in that pile up

He I think he's the guy who caused it. I think he was he was he was the uh

He was the the culprit the guy who was at fault. Wonderful who set off that chain reaction of of the billionaire bloodbath

But um

But yeah, and and he I have to say I mean I did encounter him, you know throughout throughout the week just kind of

You know a lot of these guys like they're very they're very type a and very just kind of like

Intense and especially like the the the techie guys. Um

He seemed nervous. He seemed he seemed like um

Yeah, I did not I did not yeah, I he did uh from him at all. He did uh

Pretty publicly fuck up the last race for every well. Yeah

And then and then get called on the carpet by the rest of the field uh for the whole rest of the weekend

I would be

I don't know how you show up to see bring if if you do that at Daytona

And everybody in the paddock who would like presume you've spent a ton of money to just be associated with these guys

Uh, and they're looking at you like you are the biggest fucking loser on the face of the planet. Yeah

I mean good for him for going but I would be nervous too. I'd be uncomfortable

I'd be like, you know, that might be a moment where I'd be like I am in trouble

Yeah

You know what this is a this is a rich guy who does have an

Sort of interior self. That's very exciting. That's he's not a mark andreason guy

He hasn't read the book. Well, he's probably uh several times smarter than mark andreason

True. Yeah. Yeah, the other the other part. I mean they did have at their

At their autograph table like you know, they have the the autograph session on like the day before the race or whatever were

You know, all the teams like put out their their

tables in front of their their garages and and you know fans can go and

Get their shit signed or whatever

They had a bunch of boxes and of course like, you know, I mean

The the rexie

booth is is just like a complete fucking crazy party going on

with you know, dj lcd sound system and pumping and you know, like

fucking dinosaurs dancing around and

You know seven zillion fucking kids waiting in line and

You know and and like, you know the the wane taylor, you know

They've got they've got a big line and in the corvette guys

I got a big line and you know

And then there's like the other table

It's like there's nobody fucking waiting

Fucking in the aeromotor sport line

But they they did have boxes and boxes of shirts of free shirts

And

And I grabbed one and I got it. You guys are gonna laugh because it's just

It's I mean they spent

I mean, I have to think they spent several thousand dollars just printing these these shirts

Um, and this is this is what they came up with

Awesome, it's just it's just a picture of the car of the race. Wow

And it just says 2026 msa

sports car championship

It doesn't even say the name of the team. It doesn't say the name of the driver really good

It's just it's the most fucking generic that rules

That rules that is like I tell you what though from here that looks like it's in registration looks like a good print

Oh, nice. Let's go on the back. It just says unconventional a.i. That's funny

It's just so that sucks and like that's so good. Yeah, that's great. That's like an ironic

That is it's like a the share zone t-shirt. Yeah

Graphic design is my passion with the frog. You know, yeah

It's so it's so it's so weak, you know, it's like come on guys

I mean, it's cool that you you want to give away shirts, but it's like

Could you I mean, no, no, we'll just have my son do it. He's he's a graphic designer

I mean the thing is this is a this is a this is a case where a.i

Would have made something better

You fucking have an a.i. Company. Yeah, give it to the a.i

Have the a.i. Design a shirt, man. It'll be better

That's pretty that's pretty bad

It's pretty good, but um, but yeah at the table

At the table with uh, navine brow and

whatever other

silver driver

was furdy and

and um, and

And I've met him before and you know years ago like took took a

Picture selfie with it

Which just like I thought was funny at the time just because it's like ha ha ha i'm you know

Me with a hapsburg

And yet um

And then and then you know come to discover in the uh kind of intervening years that it's like

Now furdy's actually kind of fucking furdy rocks. We love furdy

He's he one. He's a very capable. I mean he's he's not a fucking

He's not a rich guy. He's getting paid. He's not a paid driver. He is getting paid to drive

At a very I mean he drives for out fucking alpine, you know in the wek

I mean he's he's like it's a serious thing a top tier dude

And um and and it seems like at least part of his politics are kind of right on

um, and I

I made a point

I I approached him at the table and kind of got close enough to him kind of in his ear that like the other guys wouldn't hear

I just I just said hey man

I'm pretty sure you're the only person here who has um talked on your socials uh about your support for uh for palestine

And I just want to tell you uh that I respect the hell out of that

And um and he smiled really big and he shook my hand and he said thank you brother

And um, I just thought that was fucking cool. That's great. Um

That's right me again, uh, we bullied adam adelson for about 10 minutes

So that's also in the patreon along with a couple other anecdotes, uh, some inappropriate comments. I made and uh

You know what? I'll I'll leave a little mystery

patreon.com slash tired pot episode 113

Yet untitled as I finish editing episode 112

Look forward to that. Uh, if you're not subscribed yet, also

You are missing out on some really fun stuff. So hop in five bucks a month. You know how it is

Okay, that's it for me for this one actually. Okay, bye

um, but so it was just very very funny to get his kind of um

insider perspective on the uh, the

Yeah, probably got to keep that off the pot unfortunately, but

Yeah, that's very funny.

I was like going through and I'm like, I'm pretty sure I know this

I'm I'm figuring this out or I'm I'm two or three clicks away from knowing that this is

Yeah, uh, but that's uh, that that's very funny

really good

Yeah

Yeah, oh, but uh the the thing the last thing I was going to say was did you guys catch the the uh, the post-race

drama

at the

Girls were fighting

Yeah, I did not I did I did not make it back to the um

To the uh, well, I did make it back to the to the media center to get my shit and um, but I did not hang around for the uh

The post-race press conferences. So I did miss the um, the extremely awkward

press conference where

Kevin estra

Who had been driving the the six car?

um, and had been uh

Ordered to um

Oh, yeah, basically basically followed followed team orders

and and then

um only to have

Felipe nazar and the seventh car

disobeying team orders

and

passing him

for the win and um and estra basically in this in his press conference, which is saying, you know

I mean it was you know, we fought very hard and and estra who is like like one of the most fucking

Like balls out aggressive

Like cutthroat fucking drivers like

You know, yeah

Like any like in sports car racing

anywhere

Like he kind of very pointless, you know, he said

You know, it's it's a great, uh, you know victory for the team. Um, unfortunately, it's you know, I I

It has always been my

You know like part of

You know, I I came up, you know, I am loyal to this team and and I respect team orders and and that is you know

Unfortunately, you know other people, um, maybe have a different agenda or whatever

And it's like he's saying this as fucking nazar is just like two seats away. Just kind of going

Yep

It's also just like scoreboard

Yeah, yeah

like, uh

That's racing like nah doc this is imsa doc. We don't have to do that like

They're not gonna fire us like I mean, that's the thing is estra

I mean, he's coming over from from the wek, you know, where he's been racing for the last several years

I mean, he would come over for the big races here occasionally

But um, but this year is his first year doing the full season in imsa with uh Porsche having withdrawn from

Yeah

They're not gonna fire you don't have to listen to that. Just keep going. You're not in trouble. You're not in trouble. It'll be fine

You're not in trouble Felipe

Yeah, you can't get in trouble. I mean look at rory carol driver coach. I should have been like

Should have been in his year. Hey listen, if they tell you you don't have to do you don't have to do that shit

They're not gonna fire you

Yeah, you're good

But yeah another one too for the Porsches

Well, it's good to see them getting a break out there

Porsche

Well, and and also in the in the other classes. I mean they they won in them

gtd

Like I said, no they won in ggd pro they won in uh, yeah

Nice to see them getting a getting a break finally

Yeah

I think they might be getting uh getting beat

One would have to imagine that there's some uh some conversations about that between the other uh teams

I mean the thing is they they they were so clearly faster than anybody else. I mean like in in one of those those uh

Kind of late race cautions

when jimmy and I were you know, we're in the back and and uh

And it was like when the wheeling car was was you know in the the Cadillac was in third

Between the two Porsches and it's like all right, you know cars are grouped up now

and and acons

Jack acons in in the in the Cadillac

And jimmy's just like

Gotta make something happen, man. Now's the time. You know you got it. You got it. You know gotta go for it

and

You know and they come around first first green lap

Then they come around the next lap

It's like the Porsches are like three seconds out man

And I said to jimmy I was just like dude. He can't make something happen if he can't catch them like they're fucking running away

They're not yeah, they're schmovin

Yeah, that was my impression too. It was just like

You know my

My philosophy with the airport is to arrive and be parking like 20 minutes prior to boarding

And it's served served me really well. I think I've only been burned out at once

Gonna be a little less cavalier this time. Well, maybe give it 25 minutes. That's no, but that's the thing is I don't like

I don't like being pressured

the circumstances and I feel like

Yes, it is more of a challenge if there's a four-hour line and I have to get on my plane

uh in 10 minutes

But that's kind of the fun and Christina was like

She was like you're wasting all of our family's luck on this stupid shit. You should be saving it up first

Actually matters. Yeah, and I was like, that's interesting. That's actually that's actually a very good point. That's interesting theory. We're all gonna need need some luck

Yeah

Anyway, I don't know what I'm gonna do, but then I saw

uh president old front

Got the just illegally

Uh funding the tsa and I was like see

Comes comes through for me again. Like look

I I wouldn't say I agree with it

But it's like it is a stroke of good luck for me personally like

It is it is going to make my life somewhat easier

over the next week

So, um, here we go. Speaking of of of our wives. Can I can I can I just add one one final?

Yes, by all means

Patricia told me that she

Went to a psychic today. She hasn't been to a psychic in, you know, 20 years or something

But it's like something that she would occasionally, you know, just checking and just

Changed vibe check. Yeah

She's she's considering she's she's uh considering some some work

options

but um

So she talks to this lady for a long time. They do they throw some cards or whatever and and um

um and

apparently

I I never came. I mean, she wasn't really looking for for

psychic, uh

insight into

Into my fortress or our fortress together or whatever

But maybe at some point she mentioned something, you know, but she was married and

Um, and as she's she's leaving well the psychic is going to know that she's married

I guess so. Yeah, obviously

Also, also notably wearing a ring in a in a uh in a place that indicates anyway. Good. Damn. Yeah. Good. Yeah

Sure, that comes over here

You could be excited

Dude, you're cold read man is is is what came up in the first still ball. What kind of pressure?

Well, the the she she asked

My wife

If her husband

Works with cars

And

And uh and she said

Um, well, yeah, I mean he he has and and um, yeah, he

He does do some like is is he going to keep doing that? She said yes. I see that he's he's going to

continue

to work with cars

I think uh, wow and I said wow and I said I said

Did she say anything about me getting paid?

Because because because because the word work kind of implies

Well, no, you are working. You are doing

Yeah, it's it's how how much you're compensated or alienated or et cetera from labor with

That's a key preposition with cars fair point. You're sort of working in communion with a car when you look at the

When I when I drop my kids off in the morning

At school. I tell them I am going to work. It doesn't matter that I'm not getting paid for it

I mean, they don't know that part of it, but I am going to work. I go sit in front of my

And do do stuff on the website so

Well, anyway, I

I I thought that perhaps the fact that that the psychic foretold

My my continuing to work with cars

um, maybe maybe that's maybe that's a an indicator of

of uh

Things to come on. Yes

yeah, hopefully, um

Well, we should I should have given her some shit to ask about because I got some some pitches out there that could solve

A lot of our problems

With regard to getting paid to do work about cars, but anyway, call the hotline yourself. It's a whole thing

Yeah, maybe maybe give me the phone number. I feel like the husband's gonna work with cars

It's probably like a 5050 like, you know, like it but it's not I mean listen, I don't feel like that's a 5050

I feel like that's that's a pretty unusual thing

Especially in Rochester if you if you were in metro Detroit, it's like, uh, does your husband work in cars?

That's what the psychics do is they're like is your husband more and then like you're as you're kind of going to be like

Well, oh, yeah, he does he drives a car. He drives a car to work every day

The thing that she said the thing that she said was was does he drive an uber?

And

And of course patrice said no

But but she said well, I see I see him driving a lot

I see in the us of a but yes, that's how he gets around. No, that's right. That's how you get around. You're right

Yeah, here's the thing

The the fact that she I mean I did drive a lot like that fucking drive

Yeah, I mean I drove to fucking florida and back word in a car like more or less non-stop

That's the longest. I mean I've done I've done lots of long drives over the years, you know, 12 and 15 hours here and there

But I haven't done a fucking 20 plus hour drive

In like 20 more than 20 years. Yeah

So that was that was pretty uh, I mean it was it was great. It was fun

I loved it. It is great. Would have been cool if it had been like a real college shot like I see a pan swap

I see

In the future and the blue why hasn't why hasn't he fixed his sub? It just eats a pan swap

I see it. I see it in my mind

Him and a very small man and a much an older man who was the editor of car

I see I see a I see a lift in in northern michigan

He's in a welder. You see the former editor of car and driver and a larger man and a smaller man

Cartoonish almost in their divergent proportions helping you pan swaps

There's there's a man who keeps saying it'll be fine about your car

A small mouse-like man who's got stuck on a wheel bearing is rotating slowly

Now that

Yeah, man, I feel like we got a couple

I have my work cut out for me this week fellas. I got a lot to do. Sorry. No, it's good. I'm going on spring

When we wait too much time between I start. Uh, it's a yammering. No, it's no, it's all right

We we owe we owe our listeners. We owe them a fun one apologies apologies to listeners for our um

Our uh, what do you call it?

Absence. Well, yeah, we're gonna get caught up for you now with this one with this one

Yeah

All right, many approved. Stay tired. Stay tired. Stay tired. Rory safe travels. Yeah, Rory safe travels. Uh, we'll see you out there

Best of luck. Uh

Yeah, we'll be uh

Be interesting week. We'll see uh, see you at the end of it

I can't wait to hear about uh

Yeah, I mean a lot of exciting

reveals

Uh, I believe there is one

Did you see that?

God this this episode is never gonna fucking end. Did you see that they fucking killed the the other honda? Yeah, I am

Then just keep killing hondas man be a feeler

The sooty honda be a feeler

I feel I think we gave that one a feeler that I gave that one a pretty low chance of

of uh of success we're gonna have to go back

and um

And do some post mortem on that one and see yeah

because

Yeah, that um

That was not gonna work

First they killed the zero and I feel uh, I feel uh, like you should have thought about this one

kind of uh, yeah that one kind of prestige like I feel uh

I feel uh, yeah, I feel I hardly know

You

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A long, funny catch-up turns into a vivid first-time Sebring report: the town feels tiny and grim once you leave the downtown festivities, but the race week is pure automotive chaos. The big story is the trackside camping “compounds” that people build like Burning Man—complete with themed structures and years of tradition. Race day delivers at night: fireworks, burning couches, and a tense GT battle. They also debate modern partying, discuss drivers and paddock culture, and end with post-race drama and a few offbeat personal asides.

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Peter returns from Florida to give his report from Sebring on homemade scaffolding, night race vibes, and the DRAMA. Also, all three of your hosts went on some kind of tangent that had to be cut from the episode, and not just for time! You can hear the secret removed bits on our Patreon-only episode 113. You can support Alloy with a membership here: https://alloymag.com/sign-up/ Get Peter's 2025 record Half-Staff Blues here: https://peterpeterhughes.bandcamp.com/album/half-staff-blues Your producer pal Matty, who writes these, has nothing to plug. support my wonderful co-hosts ty ty ty ˖⁺‧₊˚ ♡ ˚₊‧⁺˖

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