and jelly sandwiches and sleeping on people's floors.
We cannot afford 56 miles per hour.
We're fucking heading back there, man.
I have some very distinct memories of driving cars
with 55 miles an hour speed limit,
or speedometers with 85 miles an hour speed limits.
Yeah.
And then watching the needle go past 85
and then go past the odometer.
Yes.
And then coming back toward the front,
like just going completely around the circle.
Some cars would, some manufacturers would do that.
Most of them, it would just peg at 85.
Yeah.
I feel like they were like the kind of,
maybe like the Mustang GTs,
like the, you know, the fast Mustangs,
they would, they would,
they actually would leave like a blank space
on the speedometer, like beyond 65,
so where you could like...
At your own.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't remember what car,
I mean, that would have been like our van.
It would have been like my Plymouth Horizon,
would have been our,
my buddy has had a Ford Escort with the V6,
which seemed very fast to me at the time.
I remembered like the night I got my license
and I bought my grandmother's
83,
84 Plymouth Horizon,
which was like a very nice car,
the doors were a little bit rusted out,
but I bought it for $200,
I think, or $400, something like that.
And drove it,
immediately filled it with all of my friends
and drove it out towards
Long Lake,
Maddie,
towards like the south part,
there's like a huge straight road out there
and it was like extremely icy,
like glare ice visibly,
and I was like, let's see how fast we can go.
And it was like,
we gotta top it out.
And it was like driving on this glare ice
where it was like, if I touch the brake
or try to steer,
at all, we're all dead.
And it was like playing,
I think,
I was like listening to like Led Zeppelin CD
over like the thing that you tune your
FM radio to a CD.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like a little transmitter.
But yeah, it was like,
immediately risk life and limp.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like not a few hours pass.
Or it was like,
let's see how many people I can kill doing this.
Yeah, a little teenage brain.
That's amazing.
But yeah,
other related story
just kind of segueing off of what you were talking about,
about the green,
they're calling him the greenest president ever.
This is a story from
YaleClimateConnections.org,
Yale as in the university, I think.
Sure, yeah.
And this is a story called
What's Cheaper?
Fueling your car with gas or electricity.
And they have,
and I'm not going to,
I'm not even going to look at the formula
for how they've calculated this.
But basically, what they've done is
they've run the numbers
based on gas prices and energy prices
in all 50 states.
And using for,
as basis for comparison,
2025 Hyundai Kona's.
Gasoline powered versus the Hyundai Kona Electric.
And it's based on home charging.
And what they've calculated is basically like
the electronic equivalent to a gallon of gasoline.
What does it cost in all these different states?
And it ranges from,
I think the cheapest is North Dakota,
where a gallon of electric,
of electrons.
Yeah, electric gasoline.
What cost you 98 cents?
And I think the top one is maybe
Massachusetts?
What is that?
280.
Yeah, so,
yeah, New York,
255.
Michigan is as a buck 75.
Delaware,
Maddie is a buck 48.
So that's basically like what,
what you'd be saving
versus, you know,
fueling your,
your gasoline car.
Which I don't know that I have,
that's the first time I've seen anybody like attempt to,
to calculate it in,
it's expressed in e-gallons,
which is the cost of charging an EV by the,
by an amount equivalent to one gallon of gasoline.
They say I wrote about the math behind the e-gallon
and plotted a similar map of prices in early 2024.
There's a link to that if people want to
read about the math behind the e-gallon.
I will take them at their, at their word that it's...
Yeah, that's maybe the last thing that I want to read about
is the math behind the e-gallon.
Exactly.
I'm sure there's like a million questions that you can,
and you know, obviously there's going to be like
a million variables.
But I mean, but there's also a million variables
with fuel prices and,
and price of gasoline at,
you know, any given city
within a state anyway, you know, whatever.
But I feel like there's some broad
conclusions that can be, can be drawn from, from this.
And,
and
chief among them is that
it seems like
yeah, it's significantly less expensive to,
to power your EV.
At least if you're doing it at home.
Yeah.
Then it is to, to fuel your car
and it's only going to get.
I, I do have to say is like the Rivian thing
has been a mixed bag to say the least.
But it is so nice
to not have to think about what gas costs
and like,
and not that I do a ton of driving any.
Like it would be for me, it would be like
a yearly budget swing of like a couple hundred dollars
because it's like
my daily car use is like
two to five miles probably.
Yeah.
So yeah, so it's just like,
it doesn't make a difference.
Like I could be getting one mile per gallon
or I could be getting 100 miles per gallon.
Like it's the only going to be.
Yeah.
It doesn't make a difference.
But,
but it is nice.
And I will say too, it's like
the, the Trump thing that removes
the situation, the gas prices thing.
And like a,
for the first time ever, like a huge
glut of EVs coming off lease
for the first time,
is going to create some really good,
it's a really good time.
If you're EV curious to buy a cheap used EV,
which is, I don't know, maybe that's a topic
for a future show.
But I think like,
we should have Kevin Williams on to talk about it too
because he's done a lot of that.
But it's like, I don't know, if you're a listener
and you're interested in doing that,
there's going to be some pretty like
relatively affordable
EVs out there.
Yeah.
Right as gas hits $9 a gallon
and then you're going to have an appreciating asset
probably where it's like,
I think, I mean, I think like if gas goes
where it looks like it's going to go,
like you could conceivably buy a cheap EV,
drive it for a year and sell it for what you
paid for it.
Yeah.
That's actually, man, maybe you should.
It's funny, I've just been buying rice.
But.
Yeah, I've been buying bullets.
Maybe we should buy EVs.
Yeah, stock up on EVs.
I don't know how many EVs I can get
for my bullets.
Bargain system is back, baby.
I bet I could do that in Traverse City.
I think that I probably would have no problem
buying your car with bullets up here.
Buy.
Yeah.
I could acquire a car with bullets
in a number of different ways.
Money can be exchanged for good
in services or
on the other hand.
Or, yeah, the service of not
treating you.
The classic service.
One of the oldest services provided.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I also feel like
it's kind of
worth
saying because
we're going to be
well
this last week was
spring break here for us
Easter week and so
wife and child
were off of school
and work and
and all week
Patrice and I, my wife and I
had been talking about
we should go to a movie.
We should go see a movie together.
We should do something.
But we've just been running around
and we've just been too busy.
And then yesterday it was just like
should we just watch a movie?
Let's watch a movie.
And
so during
the afternoon we
we just watched a movie
together.
And we watched a movie that she had been wanting
to watch for a long time.
Which was?
The zone of interest.
Oh, no.
Nice.
Feel good
Flint for a time at home.
That's been on my list too.
And
the thing is like
she's so cool.
She has funny
taste of
I mean that's one that I have been
you know, obviously wanting
to watch.
But we just never got around to it.
I think we almost
went to see it in the theaters.
She was curious about it.
Maybe she had seen the preview for it
and
you know this is going to be like
insanely depressing, right?
Let's go see something else.
But no, now it's time.
So we watched it.
And
yeah, man.
The thing about it was
the thing that surprised me
about it, I didn't realize it was about
fucking Rudolph Hess.
Like
I thought it was just
a random
guy.
Just like random family living next door
to whatever concert.
But no, it's actually, I mean the family
is the fucking Hess family.
Yeah.
Which both kind of like
I mean
in a way it was kind of like, oh wow
that's fucking crazy.
But it also
like
felt like it maybe
let
the movie and maybe the audience
off the hook
compared to what I
what I was expecting.
You know
which was just like it's
any person, any family.
And
and
but yeah,
the thing that
like
and I had been thinking this before
even watching this movie
but watching the movie just kind of
brought it home
to me just the
we're all going to be bitching
about
about our circumstances
you know like the price of gas
and
and you know and we talk
a lot of shit about just how fucking
stupid and inept
the country
that we live in is
in a way that could be
you know that is definitely
bitching and complaining and whining about
and
increasingly I like I am now hearing
those complaints
like they sound to me
the same way that
the
the people in Israel like
you know
we have to go to the shelters
four times a day
you know and like
as like
yeah fucking tough shit you fucking
asshole
yeah
nobody's fucking crying for you
fuck you go die
and
and given
what we are actually
fucking doing in Iran
and
and the crimes
in Atras I mean as we're getting our fucking ass
is handed to us
which is
incredibly gratifying to watch
but
but
you know I mean this is just me
just kind of like
just saying this just to get it
off my chest
but also just like
feeling you know
just
inevitably complicit in it
and these crimes and it's like
I don't want for my whining to come off
as that it's like no
I'm if gas is fucking
$20 a gallon I'm fucking happy about it
even as it like
is reducing
my fucking standard of living
to you know to nothing
yeah
it is what we deserve
we've been consistent in that
if China takes over the U.S.
they can blow us up first
we're ideologically consistent as a podcast
it's fine
I am not immune to consequences
it is a
it is a real
and I think
I've said this to everybody
it's like it's gonna be really bad
and we're going to deserve it
it's like
it's going to be just
yeah
I mean unless you're fucking doing
Aaron Bushnell shit
or fucking Rachel Corey shit
you don't get to complain at all
or podcasting that's other
exactly
or automotive journalism
the other heroic things you can do
or making songs
yeah
and who knows maybe I will become
more heroic figure down the road
it's not impossible
yeah
who knows anything could happen
that's the whole point we don't know
it's not too late for you to be executed
by England
that's true
like that guy
like the other guy
they're gonna probably hit me first
but you know it's fine so we'll get in line
it would be weird
a very strange situation
finding myself and being executed by England
incidentally
I saw a clip of
the literary critic from
I forgot his name
he wrote about hating Harry Potter
like in 1990
you know what I'm talking about
hell yeah
but
it was just like
the point of the thing was like
can 35 million people who bought this
book be wrong and he was like yes absolutely
every single one of them
he was like
is it
dog shit
is it at least
not
you can't say it's not good
that the kids are reading and he's like this isn't reading
he's like this is not
it was like this is not
it was so brutal and it was such a good review
and I was like
that is
talk about kind of American third rails
but I really like
I've been watching the JK Rowling
discourse unfold
over the last few months
and thinking
how bad the books are
just they're not readable
they're really very bad books
anyway
the reason that just popped into my head
is because
when you said it's not impossible for you to get
executed in England
the first thing that popped into my head was
what would I have to do to get executed in England
start forming a list
and then I got to JK Rowling
and then
anyway so
I would love to be executed by anyone actually
but then I remembered that
funny review
it's not reading
it would be better for the kids to be on their phones
then
give them iPad
yeah exactly
worse just not even kids
all these people my age
but I grew up with them I love them
it's real indictment
like I said
you will be getting
you deserve it
gulag for the Harry Potter millennial
all of them
there was a really funny
off pod thing that I had to say
alright should we wrap up
I guess so yeah
do you have something else
no
just enjoying hanging out
yeah
I have a
I did I liked your
I liked your
your Hyundai
story Rory that is which one
the mansion driver car yes
that is so funny I like I've heard more
from people
like I
I published that and I felt bad about it I was like
I'll go back and flesh this out a little bit because
it's really like low effort
but I've heard from a bunch
of people that like this is really funny
and you're right
I think it's true I think it's like
it's absolutely true and it's
the thing that's fucking missing
it's the thing that's missing so
fucking profoundly from
the automotive landscapes like when I
think of like I mean we talked about this I think
when we we talked about
we did the two doors
episodes
a long time ago
now
but it's like I think of like
I think of my dad
as like
like when I was born
like 30 year old my dad
driving like
a 64
Pontiac Grand Prix
you know and just
like a car that was like
like
dignified
you know
just like
like not not posing
not bullshit
not fucking boy racer
just a fucking a handsome
dignified
normal car
and it's like
there isn't that anymore
but except for like rare cases
I mean even like my car is kind of boy racer
you know and like but like
yeah I mean that fucking that G80
I mean that's just like
it's a car for a man to drive
it really is
it's like I was like
I got in it the other day
and I was like fuck like this just
feels good it's like
like I feel like an adult
you know what I mean like
but I
it yeah I wrote that
throwaway you know it's like I wrote a
tweet or whatever about it on blue sky
and then I was like
couldn't stop thinking about it the whole time I was driving
and it's like if that car
was a manual like it would be
fine
not perfect it'd be fine it'd be like
but it's like I don't know
I just it it's like
I think it says
in my black sedan
who is competently going about his business
I'm normal and I have my shit together
and I care about cars exactly as much as I need to
which is like
it's just like what it feels like being in that car
it's just like
yeah this is
not anything I'm obsessed with I'm not wasting my
money on it this is like
and I'm not trying to be anybody
you know except for just like a guy
Toyota Corolla mindset
I think it's it's true
and it's people are seeing it more and more
but I think like
that that may be my new
cause
speaking of my bravery
but in like the car
world it's like we just you need to just have
a car and it's like
if you need a specialized vehicle to do another
thing that's an additional vehicle
but it was like I think we're talking on the pod about
trucks and they're like oh why don't they sell the
Hilux in America
and I was like because it's a work truck
it's like would you drive
a tractor to your office it's like no
of course not
but it's like only in America
would you think that a pickup truck is a good way
to get to your office or to take your family
around everywhere you know yeah it's
it's stupid like that's a dumb
answer to that question
and I think like
if I had the time
that would be a very fun
story to write
is that kind of like
how did driving a
truck around
become like normalized
because like even
back in farmer days
like the farmer would have
a car to drive to town
it wouldn't be you know what I mean like the truck
was a thing that you used to truck things
on the farm but it was not
you wouldn't drive to church in the truck
or you wouldn't like go to the grocery store
in the truck or whatever farmers did back in those days
I don't know but like there was a whole
like
you know there were products
that were specifically for farmers
to
to be their town car like to be there going to
town car
but somehow
we got confused
we got confused
we started like
mixing up the
signs and the
signifieds and the
I think it is like it is too
ridiculous you know we've had
this like series of very nice
SUVs and crossovers
and stuff and it's like
the
stuff that I want to do in a
truck
like I would never do it in F-150
you know what I mean like the
remember last year
yeah like when I cut down all those trees
and I had
it's like you would never do that in a modern truck
like I would feel horrible it's like an $80,000 vehicle
on a lease that I'm going to be filling
with like 70 trees
right
yeah no it's like the one
kind of use case thing that I can
think of is like
why did my screen just get so weird
see that
yeah I see it you touch it
oh strange no
is there like a little bit of debris on your camera thingy
is it a fly remember when the fly came
on this
that one
yeah you're good
oh it's still there
there's kind of like a weird little
it's there
yeah there's just a little line
the blur is gone
oh I was just going to say like
like
yeah the $80,000 pickup
truck is like for towing your
fucking you know
$75,000
fifth wheel or whatever
you know like or your boat
or something
your other fucking
ridiculous luxury
I mean I hate to say this
because this sounds like too fancy to say
but it's like
shouldn't someone else be taking care of your boat
like shouldn't a guy from the boat
be taking care of your boat you know what I mean
like if you have a boat
why are you schlepping it around
I have some fucking guy do it
not to be
yeah and this is like
again
this is all new to me because I've been
I've been schlepping boats around
and doing
truck stuff
I did drive to a Mongo show
in the truck a couple years ago
I remember yeah
which is very expensive to do
speaking of gas prices
so yeah
the car but I just
that G80 like I said I just got on it
and I was like oh yeah this is
and it's also I think like an age thing
to where it's like
you know in my 30s
even it was like oh I'm going to drive
a lifted Lexus GX
with like a shovel tied to it it's like
probably shouldn't have been
doing that in my 30s but like
certainly in my 40s I can't be doing that
so it's like I need to
that's undignified as I said
in an article it is undignified
behavior to drive especially
like a crossover
that is not
for a man to do
that's not good
it's undignified
it's frivolous vehicle
yep
get a car
be an adult
four doors
yep
this is my new pitch
new marketing
crossovers are for
fucking children
that's a car for a woman to drive
afraid
you should be driving a man's car
get a car
that would be a very
very funny thing
to just kind of like
all the kind of like
you know
the new masculinity guys
the looks maxing guys
like to just pray
on their specific insecurities
and just
wait are you seriously
fucking driving
are you trying to sit up high
in the truck
are you a child
are you not tall enough you have to sit up high
in your booster seat
in your booster seat
you guys remember
when the big joke used to be like
SUVs are for women
and they have lipstick holders
they have a little step and they're for women
and everyone was like no I need to be tall
and now like women are talking about getting truck
because they're like sitting up high
and I'm like women's business not my business
that's fine men get a car
that's I'm tall enough
I'm so tall
I don't even care
how low I sit because I don't care
I'm secure enough in my Masculinity at 5.2
I'll get in my Toyota Curl
no Maddie you're tall enough
in the same way that I'm tall enough
you're tall enough
yeah
man G80 something else
that was like I have another
call and then I'm going to have to tone down
quite a bit about
what is Genesis doing
with their cars
because it's like I've looked up the other day
and I was like
how long has Genesis been around two three years
and it's like 11 years they've been around
11 years in the United States
I don't know how to
explain people are like what kind of car
that's a cool car and I'm like that's a Genesis
they're like who makes it
and I'm like Genesis they're owned by Hyundai
and it's like
you can't be saying that stuff
at 11 years and you can't be like
you just say it's like the Lexus of Hyundai
even then that's
baffling to people
people don't know that there's Lexus in Toyota
they don't it's true
Lexus yeah the fancy
about Lexus
and I think the
just say it's like a Korean Lexus
that's a better
that would be a better way to say it
they should hire you right away
they should hire you Peter
because I
when you tell people this is a really nice car
and like even though Hyundai's are really nice
yeah
but it's like it's also
no one knows a thing about the car at all
no one knows what they stand for
the concrete idea of what these
you know what though
I mean the sedan
the one Genesis that I do see
pretty
frequently
are the
those kind of
mid-size kind of crossover
like but it's like a stylish
sporty crossover
you know what I'm talking about
yeah that's what it is
yeah
those I see a fair bit of
yeah seems like people people know
those I think that's that's probably what most
people associate the brand with
I would my my feelings
though with those cars
the big ones to the big
yeah yeah
no no no no that's not the
yeah yeah
like kind of that's the TV
yeah the
I think what's happening with those if I
had to guess is that people who are in
Hyundai and Kia are getting
moved up into the Genesis
but
as far as like you know it's like
BMW ultimate driving machine
Mercedes Benz the best or nothing
like go go up and down the
board of like Lexus is like
super overbuilt like super high quality
reliability like
last car you'll have to buy that kind of stuff and it's like
I should I should be able to
articulate what Genesis is about
after 11 years and I love the cars
I'm probably like the biggest Genesis
evangelist that I know
I like I recommend them to people all the
time but
I don't have a better way of explaining it than
saying it's a nice it's a really nice Hyundai
yeah just not good well I feel like
I feel like they've kind of
I mean whereas whereas Lexus
kind of came out of the gate
very ambitious
yeah
I feel like like
Genesis has been more of a soft launch
I mean like
in the sense that it really I mean
it was a model before it was a brand
yeah there was the aqueous
the Hyundai aqueous
very strange car
but
yeah I feel like I feel like it's
it's something that is
kind of I mean in
kind of the same way that just like
Hyundai's and Kia's have in the last
you know five years
especially
I feel like they've
they've gotten much more
kind of
focused as
as a brand
as brands and I
think that Genesis
is still kind of a work in progress and
and I think they're still kind of
finding their way towards the thing
but like I say I mean
did you guys see by the way that they
you know there's the
the Genesis
hypercar
which is going to
the race car
the race car that's going to
debut in
at Imola
in the world endurance championship in a
few weeks
they just revealed
the thing is
spectacular looking car and like in all
during testing and stuff like
that you know when they first revealed it
it was in like that really brilliant I mean
you saw it didn't you see it at the
New York last year
just like brilliant
magma orange color
I mean it looked fucking awesome
the
the race liveries
which have been revealed
like one of it like there's two cars
one of them is like
dark like super
dark silver the other one is black
it sucks
you guys and the rationale
is that like well McLaren is coming
next year and they kind of own
papaya like they you know it's like
that's their signature color so
they don't want to you know confuse
it's like dude you got your fucking car
there first yeah I can be orange
your signature color now right yeah
and then McLaren probably will not be
papaya either you know what I mean
like that I mean it doesn't matter it's like
dude you I mean it's just
it's a stupid rationale and it's like
come on you guys
car looks fucking awesome though
it does look good yeah
I mean yeah it's like I mean who know
you know reserving judgment until
they actually show up on the track
or whatever but it just
just kind of like disappointing
that like
I think that the this
column that I wrote is like
it was like it will help them
that they're going racing but I was like
they should be aware that like
10% of car companies
that have ever gone racing have had
any positive effect from it like on the
perception of their cars because like
it's so hard for marketing people to
figure out like what what the
connection is like why it's good to go racing
yeah
dude all all pain is
selling so many more
they're crushing fucking cars
is that
program
Pujo 2
for sure
it's going good
Cadillac too
Cadillac I'm sure I'm sure those Cadillac
I'm gonna help the GTPs
are selling
I'm helping them with that
they're selling lots of
plastics
we're gonna help with that we're gonna help with those things actually
I've got a plan for both of us
good
speaking of whack good good vibes
beaming good vibes out
into the universe for
our sweet
beloved beautiful man Ben Keating
who got hurt training
in the off season and will not be making it
to the next two races
get well soon I didn't see that
he hurt his elbow yeah he broke his fucking elbow
doing what
I probably lifting weights getting yoked
my niece just broke her elbow too
no kidding
he was probably roller skating that's what she was doing
let me imagine
I don't like roller skating man you go very fast
and when you stop you stop very hard
it's very awkward
I don't like it I'm not a fan
oh my god you guys
I feel like
like when we first started doing
this this podcast
I kind of alluded to a
a story that involved
I think we were talking about like
like stupidest things that we've ever
that we ever did like as kids
like how did we survive into adulthood
and one of mine involves
roller skating I don't know if this is
if this is the
the time
but maybe it is
we did just have the winter
Olympics right it's true
should we just close on this story
this is
this is
one of my stories
of what a
complete fucking dipshit
was as a kid
alright
it's 1980
it is
the winter Olympics
this is when the winter Olympics
and summer Olympics were
still in sync
you know so every four years
you got both of them
big deal
winter Olympics in 1980
like one of the big highlights
everybody remembers the U.S. hockey team
of course
do you believe in miracles but fewer people
remember
U.S. speed skating
gold medalist
I think
Eric Hyden
I
I only remember this because
I just
for some reason this guy
captured my imagination
speed skating like when you see it
it's like
these guys like fucking going around
a skating rink
but just like hauling ass
swinging their arms up
and like
and then getting down
into this fucking crouch
like making themselves like a super aerodynamic
and like
and just like fucking just truckin
you know and then
getting back up and doing this fucking crazy
like
yeah just look
go on YouTube and I mean if you missed it during
the winter Olympics I don't think I saw any
any
speed skating stuff when I was at my
physical therapy
where they were playing the winter Olympics
the whole time
anyway
this shit
I just thought was like the coolest thing
ever and this guy I thought was
like the fucking coolest dude ever
at the time
I'm 10 years old
and
a big kind of recreational thing
for me and
my cohort at the time
was a roller skating
this is pre roller blades mind you
we go to
the skate factory
which was a roller skating rink
and you know you just fucking
skate you know and they
play music and you know what
that is
the thing is I mean I was into that
but I was also into
just fucking roller skating
around the fucking neighborhood
and I had my roller skates
which were like these like sneakers
you know with
you know fucking trucks on the bottom
and
and what I would do like now
now I'm all
fucking hyped on Eric Hyde
in speed skating
and my street
it was
a kind of a
very
gentle incline
so if you went up the street
go out my front door go up the street
like you know maybe
half a block
or a block
I mean this is all like suburban
there's no fucking actual blocks but you know
picture it like you know maybe like
a quarter mile whatever
to your right and then
and then I would just like
come screaming down the sidewalk
you know
just like doing my Eric Hyde thing
with like swinging my arms
like a fucking maniac and then I would like
get down into my crouch
my aerodynamic crouch
and
and just go like
just you know firing
you know down the you know hitting
terminal velocity
and this you know like screaming
down to the end of the street
where it would like curve around into
a cult you know going up into
towards a cul-de-sac
so anyway
one day I'm out
fucking after school
doing this
and
so
so picture
a fucking ten year old kid right
who's just like fucking
just hauling
ass down the sidewalk
and of course like each you know
I mean each house has a driveway
that goes out you know past the
sidewalk empties into the street
and between
my house and our next door neighbor
there was like
like a low fence
and then some hedges
and I can't remember this guy's name
he was just like a single guy at the time
and he had like a second gen
Camaro
like a late 70s one
um
and
uh
so here's me
hitting terminal
you know doing my Eric Haydn thing
fucking
going as fast as I possibly can
getting down
into my crouch
so I'm like
you know maybe like three feet
off of the ground
just like fucking
fucking like going so fucking
fast
down the sidewalk
and at that very moment
unbeknownst to me
because I couldn't see him because I wasn't even looking
ahead I was just fucking you know
I'm just like
um and
and of course he couldn't see me
because
there's this hedge and this fence
and because I'm a fucking idiot
and I'm like I'm not even like high enough
where you would be able to see me
um
my next door neighbor like
gets into his fucking Camaro and at the
exact second exact
moment that I'm like coming down
past my house
he starts backing out of his
driveway
and I just go
face first
into
the back fender of his fucking
Camaro
and my teeth
went up through my fucking
lip completely split
my lip
and like my nose and just like
I mean I'm just fucking
like just gushing
just blood
fucking everywhere
you know just fucking
like
and I was like
I fucking go running
into the house
and just like
the of my mom's just like
what what how what did you do
I was like
just like fucking
blood pouring into the fucking bathroom
sink
and I'm you know and she's like washing
but you know and she's like it's okay
it's okay you know like she you know
goes and gets ice in a pack and it's like
okay yeah you fucking cut your lip
and it's like yeah okay your teeth that you know
it's like you haven't knocked any teeth out it's like alright
um
meanwhile
this fucking poor dude
who's just like this fucking
I mean he was probably like
like late 20s
early 30s
no kid experience
go
not ready for this in any way
he's just like he thinks that he
fucking killed me man
and he's
he's just like
my mom like goes out
and he's just like
he's fucking white as a ghost
he's just like
utterly fucking mortified
um
and
and she's just like
it's okay it's not your fault
my son is a fucking
idiot
and
like
and it's like don't worry about it
just you know he'll be fine
like is your car okay
it's like did you fucking
did he put a dent in your fucking car
with his face
which I think I had
but I think he was able to like
push it out
um
but um but
I feel like I remember my mom
like telling me later it's like oh no
he was so like
upset that he didn't even
like go where he went
he just fucking where he was going
he went back into his house
and he poured himself a fucking
drink
and was just like
just
he ended up doing this
and
he was fucking handshaking
um but yeah
that was me and my
Eric Hyden
speed skating
um into the side of
of a car
of a moving vehicle
um
because I wasn't looking where I was going
and I was tucked so far
um
you know so so close to the
ground um that
um nobody in a car could possibly see me
historical I um
Colin Cook was the guy who had the
Pujo in high school um
we used to do that Peter
we used to do that we lived in this really steep hill
called
Wayne Hill um that is
let's see
273 meters
is the
so the average gradient is
6%
max grade is 13%
so we'd go to the top of the hill
and ride our bikes and we actually used to sit on
skateboards and like lay down on a skateboard and do it
oh yeah oh we did that too
yeah that was later
that came like a few years later
I think that was the end of my speed skating career
so then it moved to skateboards
better yeah the uh
we would ride down on my on bikes and remember my dad
got a bike that had like a digital speedometer on it
and it was like oh
you know like how fast you think we're going and it's like
I'm not I can't remember the exact speed
but I remember thinking like this is way faster than
I've gone in a car uh
it was like 60
something or 70 something miles an hour like
it's a really long hill
and it's like you think about that now
and it's like had someone pulled out of their
driveway yeah there'd be
nothing either of us could have done about it
at the time like
but just like how fucking vaporized
you would be hitting hitting
the side of a car on a bicycle
at 60 plus miles an hour
it would be just like
God there'd be nothing left to view
uh
but yeah very stupid
these kids are so stupid
there's also sled down it in the winter
we lay in a sled
and go down the middle of the road at night
um
in the sled and I was like oh
we'll take a flashlight
so that a car would be able to see us
and it's like no
absolutely not like in the snow
no like
very
very good
yeah
well here we are both alive
still alive
I'll say the other story
which involves a concussion
and me riding my bicycle
when I was a bit younger
for another episode
not a baby concussion
those pre helmets those days
no one would have you
caught dead wearing a fucking helmet
that's a
that might be an even stupider
story though
but um yeah
yeah you'd rather be dead
than have your friends see you wearing a helmet
on your bicycle
I mean they just didn't exist
to the extent that they did it was like
yeah you got a fucking motorcycle helmet
or a football helmet
you know
and even the football helmets
they were like the fucking
the early 70s
football helmets where it's like the padding
was just like
barely even padding
it was just like this fucking hard plastic thing
with a slightly softer
plastic on the inside
the concussion generator
totally
good times
alright should we
wrap it? yeah
wonderful
stay tired
stay tired everybody
bye
you
About this episode
A chaotic travel-and-auto-show recap turns into a broader rant about “before times” automotive culture. The hosts describe a botched flight to the New York auto show, quick meetings, and surprising concept-to-reality reveals like Hyundai’s Boulder and the VW Atlas. They also discuss EV pricing and the EU’s renewed oil-crisis playbook (work from home, slower speeds, more transit). The conversation widens into brand identity (Genesis), racing marketing, and ends with a darkly funny childhood roller-skating crash story.
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