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Episode 114: Before-Times Podcasting
Episode 114: Before-Times Podcasting
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About this episode
A chaotic travel-and-auto-show recap turns into a broader rant about “before times” automotive culture. The hosts describe a botched flight to the New York auto show, quick meetings, and surprising concept-to-reality reveals like Hyundai’s Boulder and the VW Atlas. They also discuss EV pricing and the EU’s renewed oil-crisis playbook (work from home, slower speeds, more transit). The conversation widens into brand identity (Genesis), racing marketing, and ends with a darkly funny childhood roller-skating crash story.
Topics:
new york auto show highlights
hyundai boulder concept
ev pricing and e-gallon math
eu oil crisis energy-saving measures
55 mph speed limit nostalgia
genesis brand confusion
racing marketing impact
ev used-car buying optimism
childhood roller skating crash story
automotive culture decline and “before times”
Cars:
Chevrolet Camaro
Chrysler New Yorker
Ford Bronco
Ford Expedition
Ford F-150
Hyundai Genesis
Hyundai Kona
Jeep Wrangler
Kia EV3
Kia Seltos
Land Rover Defender
Lexus GX
Renault Twingo
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Highlander
Toyota Hilux
Boulders, Fuzzbusters, and more. Rory reports in from the New York Auto Show and furthers his theory of A Man Should Drive A Car. Peter offers some predictions, and finally (!) tells one of his top 2 stories of childhood high-speed stupidity.
You can support what Rory's doing at Alloy with a membership here: https://alloymag.com/sign-up/
Read Rory's excellent Thought: A Man Should Drive A Car post here: https://alloymag.com/thought-a-man-should-drive-a-car/
Get Peter's 2025 record Half-Staff Blues here: https://peterpeterhughes.bandcamp.com/album/half-staff-blues
Your producer pal Matty had to edit this episode in short stints due to house/petsitting on his spring break from industrial maintenance school, and QA it on different headphones than usual, so enjoy a more Pod Verité experience.
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"...e was some other, oh the Hyundai had a Jeep slash Bronco competitor there, the Boulder, which is like a re..."
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"...yeah, it looks cool. Yeah, it'll be like a little Wrangler, Land Rover Defender slash Bronco competitor. Oh ..."
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"...ooks cool. Yeah, it'll be like a little Wrangler, Land Rover Defender slash Bronco competitor. Oh wow, the interior is ..."
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Renault Twingo
"...l of like 70s Cadillacs. But he brought a Renault Twingo to the show. Yeah, a green, like that hunter gree..."
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Chrysler New Chrysler
"...ere's what we had from the outer show. We had the new Chrysler minivan, which is just a face left for the curren..."
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Kia Seltos
"Oh, cool. They had the Kia Seltos, which is the car that my sister drives. Also loo..."
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Toyota Highlander
"...taway, three-row electric SUV based on the Toyota Highlander platform. Okay."
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Ford Expedition
"Let's see what else. The Ford Expedition was there. But it looks like it's just like the 3..."
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Hyundai Genesis
"..., I think Subaru is there because Kia Hyundai and Genesis are there. But not a great look."
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Hyundai Kona
"as basis for comparison, 2025 Hyundai Kona's. Gasoline powered versus the Hyundai Kona Electric."
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Toyota Corolla
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Toyota Hilux
"...rucks and they're like oh why don't they sell the Hilux in America and I was like because it's a work tru..."
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Lexus Gx
"even it was like oh I'm going to drive a lifted Lexus GX with like a shovel tied to it it's like"
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Oh, well, so here's the sad, the sad straight with the auto show.
I had planned to leave my hotel in Tuscaloosa at 3.30 in the morning to get to New York by
9, so that I would be able to spend the entire day at the auto show.
They forgot to send a plane to Tuscaloosa, belted it, kind of overlooked it.
Yeah.
Did we forget Tuscaloosa again?
God damn it.
I'm like, I know there's something we were supposed to send to Tuscaloosa, oh, you know
what, it was an airplane.
But anyway, I ended up getting there at 3.30.
I texted the one guy I had to meet that the entire trip to New York was predicated on meeting
this one guy.
I texted him and he was like, I'll be here till 5 if you can make it.
I sprinted, not sprinted, but I went hustling my way over there, including getting incredibly
sweaty by the time I was there, which every time I end up at the New York auto show,
I'm sweaty.
I'm always the sweatiest guy there.
But I met with him for 30 minutes and then pretty much immediately had to leave and go
to another meeting across town and then go to a Cadillac thing at night.
So I think I was in the convention hall for 30 minutes.
I saw, or maybe 40 minutes, I saw, did new VW Atlas.
There were about 30 people there to receive it, a crowd of about 30.
Is that a weapon?
Is that some sort of new weapons system?
No, no, it's still a car there, they haven't switched that over yet.
This was just a car.
I guess you could use it as a weapon.
Maybe in such cases.
It's pretty big.
Yeah, maybe in such cases.
Yeah.
I had that, I feel like there was some other, oh the Hyundai had a Jeep slash Bronco competitor
there, the Boulder, which is like a real body on frame, a trucky little SUV thing.
It's kind of cool.
Is this a concept or is this an actual thing?
It's a concept, but they're going to build it.
If you remember the crater that I think I saw in LA, like weird little buggy concept thing,
that interior is mostly intact inside the Boulder, which is pretty cool.
That's going to be like that.
I'm looking at the alloy story, and yeah, it looks cool.
Yeah, it'll be like a little Wrangler, Land Rover Defender slash Bronco competitor.
Oh wow, the interior is really cool.
I was like, that was the first time, I think one of the other journalists I saw at the
airport was like, that's the first time I ever can remember being surprised at an auto
show since like 2015.
I was like, I think that's probably true.
We had not, there's no pre-warning of that product coming, which is kind of cool.
You know, I'd spent a week arranging little meet and greets for different PR and marketing
people at the auto show, and then I just did not get to do any of them, so very cool.
I did go to that Cadillac party that I mentioned, I ended up talking to a bunch of journalists
about alloy, and as I mentioned in the voice chat, got a very funny suggestion for
my next job that we probably shouldn't name the names of, but it's a CEO of a big media
company, and I was like, yeah, sure, let's do it, let's, so here's my phone number.
It would be so funny.
It would rip, it would be so good.
It would be so good when I got the job, and then it was fired one month later
because someone found the tired pod, and...
Listen, I put in so many redactions of that Patreon episode that we're not to say.
I mean, like, yep.
I was like diligent.
Did you guys know he was doing this podcast before you made the offer?
The $2 million a year offer to be the CEO?
It's a different guy.
It's a different Rory Carroll.
It's a different Rory Carroll.
Actually, I got two people.
There's the Irish one.
Yeah, it's the Irish.
There's the...
The sports ball one.
Oh, is there a sports ball one?
Yeah.
I got two people this morning, lovely Irish people, tagging me on this really nice story
about this guy who is like an Irish nationalist and helped kick things off in 1916,
who was executed by the British and was publicly called a sexual deviant.
My kind of guy.
He was gay.
Yeah.
Let's go!
Let's go!
I know.
It was a great story, and a bunch of people were tagging me on Blue Sky this morning
saying how good of a job I did with it,
and I had to individually reply to all of them and be like,
that's actually a different guy.
That is the good one.
That is not me, unfortunately.
But yeah, it was a huge...
So after the Cadillac party, LA contributor Jamie Kipman was there,
and he's like, you got to see the car that I brought,
and I was like, okay, because he always has cool stuff.
He has a company.
I think we've mentioned him on the pod before,
but he is a band manager.
A bunch of bands like They Might Be Giants and The Meat Puppets.
Oh, yes!
A whole bunch of...
I mean, he's the guy who I've...
I mean, when Automobile Magazine started in 1986,
which was David E. Davis from Car and Driver,
the kind of famously pompous editor of Car and Driver,
kind of took a few of his core people and started this new magazine
called Automobile that was like, we're not going to test anything.
We're not going to...
There's no specifications, whatever.
It's all about vibes.
That was basically the automotive lifestyle magazine.
But he started like...
Jamie Kipman started writing for Automobile at the time,
and one of the first things that he wrote,
maybe it was the first, was that They Might Be Giants tour diary
where it was them in a Chrysler minivan.
And that was my introduction.
I mean, I knew They Might Be Giants,
but that was my introduction to him.
And so he's written about cars basically ever since
while he's had this kind of parallel career as a...
I guess his main career as just an attorney and music his guy.
Well, the other career that he has is he has a company called Octane Film Cars.
Right.
Which, yeah.
He's always had this pretty amazing collection of his own stuff.
And this is how he does it.
He provides movie production and TV productions with vintage cars,
like period correct cars.
So it's like you're doing a mob movie that's set in Manhattan
and he'll roll up with a semi full of like 70s Cadillacs.
But he brought a Renault Twingo to the show.
Yeah, a green, like that hunter green, dark hunter green color.
And was, yeah, I was like, God damn it, dude.
You've always got such wonderful, wonderful little cars.
That's so good.
But yeah, it was really cool.
It was cool to see one of those like in Manhattan too.
Yeah.
Correct.
But yeah.
Man, always great to be in New York.
Other good stuff to figure it out for alloy.
That was took some took some doing.
That was a very tricky, tricky situation that I somehow seem to have navigated.
So it's great.
And I, yeah, I have to say like I do.
Being able to get around on a fucking train is a magical experience.
It's so nice.
It's so so nice.
Every time I do it, I'm like, God damn it.
Like this makes so, so much sense.
And yeah, it's good.
Good to be in the big city for the country mouse fella like me.
Yeah.
And then I think, yeah, going to Long Beach for the Imsa race,
Imsa Indy car, the latter.
Yeah.
What else am I doing?
There's a couple other.
When is that in, when is that?
Two weeks?
Yeah.
It's like a week.
16th, yeah.
Okay.
And then I have some other, I think I'm on another car launch.
It's like I'm doing, I'm back to like the Rory Hell ride travel schedule,
which is good because I lost airline status.
Oh shit.
Mine's going to fall off pretty soon too.
Yeah.
It's, yeah, it's that they treat like dirt.
We don't have status.
Oh, I did have an interaction with an ice agent at the New York,
LaGuardia security.
Pleasure, I'm sure.
Yeah.
That's why they call them nice agents.
Nice agent.
He was trying to be friendly to me and I did not reply to him.
I just looked at him and I was like, don't, don't try to.
Yeah.
Don't try to fucking.
You know what this is.
Don't act like you're human.
Yeah.
Don't act like you're, you're my friend just because I am the most obviously American
citizen type looking guy on the planet.
That's true.
It's like, the picture on the box of American citizens is like my big fucking potato
guy.
But yeah.
Very good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
So, okay.
Here's, here's what we had from the outer show.
We had the new Chrysler minivan, which is just a face left for the current minivan.
Oh man.
Dude, you had like new Chrysler.
I was like, because I somehow, I mean, I did, I did kind of glance at like
a few sites, just, but I didn't see, I haven't seen anything about, about New York.
So I don't know anything.
But the fact that there's any new Chrysler, like that, that feels like.
Well, it's the, it's the Pacific.
It's the same car they've been selling, but with just a different place.
Yeah.
For what?
Like 15 years now?
Yeah.
I think the only car they've had.
Yes.
It's their only, it's the only Chrysler.
Not great.
They had the Kia EV3, which looked great.
Little tiny EV crossover thing.
Oh, cool.
They had the Kia Seltos, which is the car that my sister drives.
Also looked good.
Subaru getaway, three-row electric SUV based on the Toyota Highlander platform.
Okay.
But yeah, this bolder thing seemed to be, I guess the forest for wilderness, you
know, hybrid.
Let's see what else.
The Ford Expedition was there.
But it looks like it's just like the 38th anniversary.
It's snooze.
Yeah.
But yeah, that was, that's pretty much it.
I think, yeah, it was pretty bad that those auto shows, I, if it wasn't for the Koreans,
they would not be able to do it at all.
That would be the assessment that I have of that.
Yeah.
They're the only ones really taking up space.
I mean, I think Subaru is there because Kia Hyundai and Genesis are there.
But not a great look.
I feel like that's going to be the case.
I feel like this period right now, years from now will be looked back upon as kind of like
the before times.
And one that's going to change is when the Chinese companies roll in and suddenly the
auto show is a thing again.
It's back, baby.
It's a big event.
When spending money and drinking champagne, you know, the funny thing about that is in
the history books and like 20 years from now, our kids will be like, yeah, it's, everything
went bad when the Straits of Hormuz got blockaded or whatever.
And we'll be like, no, no, no, it was getting bad for a long time before that.
It was a lot that led up to that.
But it's like that will just be like the incident where it happened.
It's like, and then everything was bad after that.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, it was, it was super shitty all the way.
Like it was like, it kept getting, this was kind of like the,
It was a long, long process.
Yeah, it was a decline.
This was, this was maybe the straw that broke the camel's back, I guess you could say,
but like it was, we're on the way to it prior to that.
But that'll be fun to explain.
But yeah, hopefully some seekers will be there next year and maybe keep this
and give me another reason to go to New York every year.
Yeah, I think, I mean, it's, it's, you know, it's going to happen at some point.
Yeah.
What are the news items that you had?
Well, I mean, they're just kind of like related things like,
related to just like what's, what's going on in the world.
See, I, I can't remember if, I know we talked about, about this,
but I can't remember if it ever actually made it into any of the podcasts or not.
But, but I, I was telling you guys about, about how,
like we're planning this, this, I started, I started planning this,
my family vacation, like for this summer, like to go to Europe,
because this is the thing that Natalia wants.
My daughter, my 14 year old daughter,
and we haven't done a family vacation in like six years,
like a proper actual, you know, we all fly somewhere kind of thing.
And this is the thing that she wants, like in lieu of, of,
of like a kinsen year, like she just, she wants to go to Europe,
all of her fucking friends go to Europe.
So she wants to go to Switzerland and it's like,
okay, Switzerland, sure.
Anyway, so I started, I started fucking booking this thing.
And, and of course, like now, you know,
and like literally I started booking this, like, like,
like the week before the shit fucking popped off.
And, and now it's just kind of like,
I don't know if this fucking thing is gonna, you know,
I'm still, I'm still making, I'm still at planning it
as if it's going to happen.
But anyway, but I saw this, this thing from politico.eu
and, and that was maybe pursuant to,
relevant to, to, to our family plans.
Top Brussels official urges Europeans to work from home
and drive less energy commissioner says the oil crisis
triggered by Iran war will bring lengthy upheaval
in a speech reminiscent of the COVID pandemic.
And the, the, the part that kind of jumped out at me from this,
he said, this is a EU energy chief, Dan Jorgensen said,
even if peace is here tomorrow, still we will not go back to normal
in the foreseeable future.
The more you can do to save oil, especially diesel,
especially jet fuel, the better off we are.
And then he urged member countries to follow the advice
of the international energy agency, which he said included,
quote, work from home where possible, reduce highway speed
limits by 10 kilometers an hour, encourage public transport,
alternate private car access, which I don't know if that means
like, alternate, like, like explore alternates, alternatives
to private car or, or if that just means like you can only
drive like on alternate days or something over the day.
Increase car sharing and adopt efficient driving practices.
Which like all of that stuff.
And, and I mean, I feel like I should know just kind of like
for posterity that the, at the time of recording this,
we are still here in the US anyway, we are still in this
kind of like, you know, this in between moment,
you know, kind of between the, the sewing and the reaping,
right, the actions and the consequences in terms of,
I mean, gas has got, you know, I paid like five bucks a gallon
to fill my car today, which is like basically up a dollar
from a month ago, but, but the real, the real effects
have not yet begun to be felt here.
Because largely because, because there are still boats full
of oil on the water, like from the Gulf.
They'll be arriving soon.
Like those will stop arriving pretty soon.
And when they do, that's kind of when, when things get real.
But, but what this, what this reminded me of was just
like, was, was like my child being a kid, like during
the fucking first oil crisis, you know, like, like, I mean,
I was three and four years old during the, the, the first
OPEC oil crisis in 1973, 1974, and then second one in,
in 79 would have been nine years old.
But I remember, I remember gas lines in California.
I remember in California, they did the thing where
you could only get gas on, like if, like whatever number
your license plate ended in, like if it was even or odd,
you could get gas on the even or odd days of the month.
So you couldn't go to the gas station every day.
You could only go on, on every, you know, the days
that matched your, your odd or even number.
So like that, that shit was real, you know, that stuff
happened.
But also, like it's kind of a distant memory now,
but the 55 mile per hour speed limit, I think,
I think people kind of, maybe that's been kind of retconned
into kind of Ralph Nader safety paranoia stuff.
But the actual reason for that, and that might have,
you know, served as a kind of additional rationale
for justification.
But, but the real reason was the fucking oil crisis.
And that was a measure designed, you know,
on a federal level to reduce energy consumption
because if you fucking drive slower, you're using less gas.
And, and that's basically like what this, you know,
so I mean, it's just, it's so just kind of startling
and funny to hear this EU energy commissioner in 2026,
like saying we should reduce the speed limits by 10 KPH.
Like it's the funniest thing about, not the funniest thing
about all this.
So one of the funniest things about this is that the gas
prices and it's like for all of the administration's efforts
to like de-wokify the car business and like reduce any support
for electric cars or like any of the like many like,
you know, like getting rid of the EPA regulations
on emissions, like all that stuff.
It's like, he's probably going to end up just being
like the EV president who like, who did more for the sale
of electric cars and for the electric car market than anyone
in history or like, it's like, you know, how do you get
European, Western Europeans in Americans to like reduce
their energy consumption?
It's like, not voluntarily, but like make it twice as expensive
and like all of a sudden, like people will stop using
their air conditioning.
They will stop.
It's like all these kind of like climate dreams
that which would have been like too unrealistic to ever ask
for in previous years in administrations are now like,
well, that's actually probably going to happen.
Like there's going to be less airline travel.
There's going to be less driving.
There's going to be less, you know what I mean?
It's like, they're calling them the greenest president
in history.
It is, it is ironic.
Yeah, it's kind of wild.
I mean, do you guys, was the 55 mile per hour speed limit
even still a thing for you guys growing up?
I don't think so.
I can't remember when they started phasing it out.
I mean, I think federally it got phased out
like in the mid late 80s.
I have car and drivers from the early 80s
that are talking about sending in those post cars
and tell them to take it away.
So I assume it was rolling on that.
Oh, it was still very much going on in the early 80s for sure.
But there's everything momentum for it to be like,
we got to pop that.
Yeah, I guess it was kind of like maybe like late Reagan era
when they started lifting some of it in some places.
The only thing that I really, that has stuck with me
is the Sammy Hagar song.
Yeah, I can't drive 55.
I've made a point of using it as a parallel
in my speed kills article about...
Yeah, that's right.
That's why I remember all that stuff.
I mean, the other part of that, I mean, the kind of,
because this was like, I mean, as I was getting into cars
and then beginning to drive, I mean, this was all,
I mean, this is something that all the fucking magazines
just bitched and moaned about and kind of, you know...
It was the impetus for the cannonball run.
Yeah, exactly, yeah.
And, you know, a car and driver would run articles
about how to speed and get away with it.
Basically, they would do radar detector shootouts
and all that kind of stuff.
It used to call them fuzzbusters back in those days.
Well, that was a brand.
Yeah, yeah.
But that was like the Kleenex version.
Right, yeah, yeah.
I do love all those ads for the radar detector stuff
and the other car and drivers.
Oh, totally.
I mean, that was fucking derogatory.
You had to fucking have it.
It's really neat.
But also, like all the cars that I grew up driving,
they all had 85 mile per hour speed limit, speedometers.
Speedometers could only go up to 85.
That was a federal thing.
And also, the number 55 on the speedometer
would be highlighted.
It would be bigger than all the other numbers.
It's like, hey, I'm here.
But I also, you know, and in my earliest years of touring,
I mean, when nothing painted blue,
when I started touring with nothing painted blue
and we toured the big suburban,
and this was past the point.
I mean, lots of places, you know, had, you know,
like, there were lots of places where you could go 65 now,
for example.
But they changed that in, I'm looking at the article now,
they changed it in the late 80s.
They upped it to 65 in certain places.
Okay.
So they lifted the federal thing.
Isn't that how they did it?
Or did they federally permit it?
It was 55 globally.
And then I think it says at 87,
they upped it to 65,
so some places then went up to 65,
and then in 95, they got rid of the thing overall.
Gotcha, okay.
But yeah, but one of the things was,
because we were on such a fucking shoestring,
we would just fucking drive 55, man,
like we would set the fucking cruise control
to double nickels on the dime
and just be fucking rolling down I-40 or I-80,
just like in the middle of fucking Wyoming,
or just straight line to the horizon
and just puttering along at fucking 55 miles an hour,
just because like,
and the thing is, like, we, you know,
like we had a large enough sample size,
we were driving enough that we, you know,
if we gave ourselves permission to go up to 60,
like do a tank at 60.
It's like costing you, yeah.
Yeah, that cost us money.
So it was just like, whatever, man,
set it at 55, we'll get there.
And that was just our MO.
And with the ScottQ2, I mean, I was very,
it's like, look guys, we're fucking eating peanut butter
and jelly sandwiches and sleeping on people's floors.
We cannot afford 56 miles per hour.
We're fucking heading back there, man.
I have some very distinct memories of driving cars
with 55 miles an hour speed limit,
or speedometers with 85 miles an hour speed limits.
Yeah.
And then watching the needle go past 85
and then go past the odometer.
Yes.
And then coming back toward the front,
like just going completely around the circle.
Some cars would, some manufacturers would do that.
Most of them, it would just peg at 85.
Yeah.
I feel like they were like the kind of,
maybe like the Mustang GTs,
like the, you know, the fast Mustangs,
they would, they would,
they actually would leave like a blank space
on the speedometer, like beyond 65,
so where you could like...
At your own.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't remember what car,
I mean, that would have been like our van.
It would have been like my Plymouth Horizon,
would have been our,
my buddy has had a Ford Escort with the V6,
which seemed very fast to me at the time.
I remembered like the night I got my license
and I bought my grandmother's
83,
84 Plymouth Horizon,
which was like a very nice car,
the doors were a little bit rusted out,
but I bought it for $200,
I think, or $400, something like that.
And drove it,
immediately filled it with all of my friends
and drove it out towards
Long Lake,
Maddie,
towards like the south part,
there's like a huge straight road out there
and it was like extremely icy,
like glare ice visibly,
and I was like, let's see how fast we can go.
And it was like,
we gotta top it out.
And it was like driving on this glare ice
where it was like, if I touch the brake
or try to steer,
at all, we're all dead.
And it was like playing,
I think,
I was like listening to like Led Zeppelin CD
over like the thing that you tune your
FM radio to a CD.
You know what I mean?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, like a little transmitter.
But yeah, it was like,
immediately risk life and limp.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like not a few hours pass.
Or it was like,
let's see how many people I can kill doing this.
Yeah, a little teenage brain.
That's amazing.
But yeah,
other related story
just kind of segueing off of what you were talking about,
about the green,
they're calling him the greenest president ever.
This is a story from
YaleClimateConnections.org,
Yale as in the university, I think.
Sure, yeah.
And this is a story called
What's Cheaper?
Fueling your car with gas or electricity.
And they have,
and I'm not going to,
I'm not even going to look at the formula
for how they've calculated this.
But basically, what they've done is
they've run the numbers
based on gas prices and energy prices
in all 50 states.
And using for,
as basis for comparison,
2025 Hyundai Kona's.
Gasoline powered versus the Hyundai Kona Electric.
And it's based on home charging.
And what they've calculated is basically like
the electronic equivalent to a gallon of gasoline.
What does it cost in all these different states?
And it ranges from,
I think the cheapest is North Dakota,
where a gallon of electric,
of electrons.
Yeah, electric gasoline.
What cost you 98 cents?
And I think the top one is maybe
Massachusetts?
What is that?
280.
Yeah, so,
yeah, New York,
255.
Michigan is as a buck 75.
Delaware,
Maddie is a buck 48.
So that's basically like what,
what you'd be saving
versus, you know,
fueling your,
your gasoline car.
Which I don't know that I have,
that's the first time I've seen anybody like attempt to,
to calculate it in,
it's expressed in e-gallons,
which is the cost of charging an EV by the,
by an amount equivalent to one gallon of gasoline.
They say I wrote about the math behind the e-gallon
and plotted a similar map of prices in early 2024.
There's a link to that if people want to
read about the math behind the e-gallon.
I will take them at their, at their word that it's...
Yeah, that's maybe the last thing that I want to read about
is the math behind the e-gallon.
Exactly.
I'm sure there's like a million questions that you can,
and you know, obviously there's going to be like
a million variables.
But I mean, but there's also a million variables
with fuel prices and,
and price of gasoline at,
you know, any given city
within a state anyway, you know, whatever.
But I feel like there's some broad
conclusions that can be, can be drawn from, from this.
And,
and
chief among them is that
it seems like
yeah, it's significantly less expensive to,
to power your EV.
At least if you're doing it at home.
Yeah.
Then it is to, to fuel your car
and it's only going to get.
I, I do have to say is like the Rivian thing
has been a mixed bag to say the least.
But it is so nice
to not have to think about what gas costs
and like,
and not that I do a ton of driving any.
Like it would be for me, it would be like
a yearly budget swing of like a couple hundred dollars
because it's like
my daily car use is like
two to five miles probably.
Yeah.
So yeah, so it's just like,
it doesn't make a difference.
Like I could be getting one mile per gallon
or I could be getting 100 miles per gallon.
Like it's the only going to be.
Yeah.
It doesn't make a difference.
But,
but it is nice.
And I will say too, it's like
the, the Trump thing that removes
the situation, the gas prices thing.
And like a,
for the first time ever, like a huge
glut of EVs coming off lease
for the first time,
is going to create some really good,
it's a really good time.
If you're EV curious to buy a cheap used EV,
which is, I don't know, maybe that's a topic
for a future show.
But I think like,
we should have Kevin Williams on to talk about it too
because he's done a lot of that.
But it's like, I don't know, if you're a listener
and you're interested in doing that,
there's going to be some pretty like
relatively affordable
EVs out there.
Yeah.
Right as gas hits $9 a gallon
and then you're going to have an appreciating asset
probably where it's like,
I think, I mean, I think like if gas goes
where it looks like it's going to go,
like you could conceivably buy a cheap EV,
drive it for a year and sell it for what you
paid for it.
Yeah.
That's actually, man, maybe you should.
It's funny, I've just been buying rice.
But.
Yeah, I've been buying bullets.
Maybe we should buy EVs.
Yeah, stock up on EVs.
I don't know how many EVs I can get
for my bullets.
Bargain system is back, baby.
I bet I could do that in Traverse City.
I think that I probably would have no problem
buying your car with bullets up here.
Buy.
Yeah.
I could acquire a car with bullets
in a number of different ways.
Money can be exchanged for good
in services or
on the other hand.
Or, yeah, the service of not
treating you.
The classic service.
One of the oldest services provided.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I also feel like
it's kind of
worth
saying because
we're going to be
well
this last week was
spring break here for us
Easter week and so
wife and child
were off of school
and work and
and all week
Patrice and I, my wife and I
had been talking about
we should go to a movie.
We should go see a movie together.
We should do something.
But we've just been running around
and we've just been too busy.
And then yesterday it was just like
should we just watch a movie?
Let's watch a movie.
And
so during
the afternoon we
we just watched a movie
together.
And we watched a movie that she had been wanting
to watch for a long time.
Which was?
The zone of interest.
Oh, no.
Nice.
Feel good
Flint for a time at home.
That's been on my list too.
And
the thing is like
she's so cool.
She has funny
taste of
I mean that's one that I have been
you know, obviously wanting
to watch.
But we just never got around to it.
I think we almost
went to see it in the theaters.
She was curious about it.
Maybe she had seen the preview for it
and
you know this is going to be like
insanely depressing, right?
Let's go see something else.
But no, now it's time.
So we watched it.
And
yeah, man.
The thing about it was
the thing that surprised me
about it, I didn't realize it was about
fucking Rudolph Hess.
Like
I thought it was just
a random
guy.
Just like random family living next door
to whatever concert.
But no, it's actually, I mean the family
is the fucking Hess family.
Yeah.
Which both kind of like
I mean
in a way it was kind of like, oh wow
that's fucking crazy.
But it also
like
felt like it maybe
let
the movie and maybe the audience
off the hook
compared to what I
what I was expecting.
You know
which was just like it's
any person, any family.
And
and
but yeah,
the thing that
like
and I had been thinking this before
even watching this movie
but watching the movie just kind of
brought it home
to me just the
we're all going to be bitching
about
about our circumstances
you know like the price of gas
and
and you know and we talk
a lot of shit about just how fucking
stupid and inept
the country
that we live in is
in a way that could be
you know that is definitely
bitching and complaining and whining about
and
increasingly I like I am now hearing
those complaints
like they sound to me
the same way that
the
the people in Israel like
you know
we have to go to the shelters
four times a day
you know and like
as like
yeah fucking tough shit you fucking
asshole
yeah
nobody's fucking crying for you
fuck you go die
and
and given
what we are actually
fucking doing in Iran
and
and the crimes
in Atras I mean as we're getting our fucking ass
is handed to us
which is
incredibly gratifying to watch
but
but
you know I mean this is just me
just kind of like
just saying this just to get it
off my chest
but also just like
feeling you know
just
inevitably complicit in it
and these crimes and it's like
I don't want for my whining to come off
as that it's like no
I'm if gas is fucking
$20 a gallon I'm fucking happy about it
even as it like
is reducing
my fucking standard of living
to you know to nothing
yeah
it is what we deserve
we've been consistent in that
if China takes over the U.S.
they can blow us up first
we're ideologically consistent as a podcast
it's fine
I am not immune to consequences
it is a
it is a real
and I think
I've said this to everybody
it's like it's gonna be really bad
and we're going to deserve it
it's like
it's going to be just
yeah
I mean unless you're fucking doing
Aaron Bushnell shit
or fucking Rachel Corey shit
you don't get to complain at all
or podcasting that's other
exactly
or automotive journalism
the other heroic things you can do
or making songs
yeah
and who knows maybe I will become
more heroic figure down the road
it's not impossible
yeah
who knows anything could happen
that's the whole point we don't know
it's not too late for you to be executed
by England
that's true
like that guy
like the other guy
they're gonna probably hit me first
but you know it's fine so we'll get in line
it would be weird
a very strange situation
finding myself and being executed by England
incidentally
I saw a clip of
the literary critic from
I forgot his name
he wrote about hating Harry Potter
like in 1990
you know what I'm talking about
hell yeah
but
it was just like
the point of the thing was like
can 35 million people who bought this
book be wrong and he was like yes absolutely
every single one of them
he was like
is it
dog shit
is it at least
not
you can't say it's not good
that the kids are reading and he's like this isn't reading
he's like this is not
it was like this is not
it was so brutal and it was such a good review
and I was like
that is
talk about kind of American third rails
but I really like
I've been watching the JK Rowling
discourse unfold
over the last few months
and thinking
how bad the books are
just they're not readable
they're really very bad books
anyway
the reason that just popped into my head
is because
when you said it's not impossible for you to get
executed in England
the first thing that popped into my head was
what would I have to do to get executed in England
start forming a list
and then I got to JK Rowling
and then
anyway so
I would love to be executed by anyone actually
but then I remembered that
funny review
it's not reading
it would be better for the kids to be on their phones
then
give them iPad
yeah exactly
worse just not even kids
all these people my age
but I grew up with them I love them
it's real indictment
like I said
you will be getting
you deserve it
gulag for the Harry Potter millennial
all of them
there was a really funny
off pod thing that I had to say
alright should we wrap up
I guess so yeah
do you have something else
no
just enjoying hanging out
yeah
I have a
I did I liked your
I liked your
your Hyundai
story Rory that is which one
the mansion driver car yes
that is so funny I like I've heard more
from people
like I
I published that and I felt bad about it I was like
I'll go back and flesh this out a little bit because
it's really like low effort
but I've heard from a bunch
of people that like this is really funny
and you're right
I think it's true I think it's like
it's absolutely true and it's
the thing that's fucking missing
it's the thing that's missing so
fucking profoundly from
the automotive landscapes like when I
think of like I mean we talked about this I think
when we we talked about
we did the two doors
episodes
a long time ago
now
but it's like I think of like
I think of my dad
as like
like when I was born
like 30 year old my dad
driving like
a 64
Pontiac Grand Prix
you know and just
like a car that was like
like
dignified
you know
just like
like not not posing
not bullshit
not fucking boy racer
just a fucking a handsome
dignified
normal car
and it's like
there isn't that anymore
but except for like rare cases
I mean even like my car is kind of boy racer
you know and like but like
yeah I mean that fucking that G80
I mean that's just like
it's a car for a man to drive
it really is
it's like I was like
I got in it the other day
and I was like fuck like this just
feels good it's like
like I feel like an adult
you know what I mean like
but I
it yeah I wrote that
throwaway you know it's like I wrote a
tweet or whatever about it on blue sky
and then I was like
couldn't stop thinking about it the whole time I was driving
and it's like if that car
was a manual like it would be
fine
not perfect it'd be fine it'd be like
but it's like I don't know
I just it it's like
I think it says
in my black sedan
who is competently going about his business
I'm normal and I have my shit together
and I care about cars exactly as much as I need to
which is like
it's just like what it feels like being in that car
it's just like
yeah this is
not anything I'm obsessed with I'm not wasting my
money on it this is like
and I'm not trying to be anybody
you know except for just like a guy
Toyota Corolla mindset
I think it's it's true
and it's people are seeing it more and more
but I think like
that that may be my new
cause
speaking of my bravery
but in like the car
world it's like we just you need to just have
a car and it's like
if you need a specialized vehicle to do another
thing that's an additional vehicle
but it was like I think we're talking on the pod about
trucks and they're like oh why don't they sell the
Hilux in America
and I was like because it's a work truck
it's like would you drive
a tractor to your office it's like no
of course not
but it's like only in America
would you think that a pickup truck is a good way
to get to your office or to take your family
around everywhere you know yeah it's
it's stupid like that's a dumb
answer to that question
and I think like
if I had the time
that would be a very fun
story to write
is that kind of like
how did driving a
truck around
become like normalized
because like even
back in farmer days
like the farmer would have
a car to drive to town
it wouldn't be you know what I mean like the truck
was a thing that you used to truck things
on the farm but it was not
you wouldn't drive to church in the truck
or you wouldn't like go to the grocery store
in the truck or whatever farmers did back in those days
I don't know but like there was a whole
like
you know there were products
that were specifically for farmers
to
to be their town car like to be there going to
town car
but somehow
we got confused
we got confused
we started like
mixing up the
signs and the
signifieds and the
I think it is like it is too
ridiculous you know we've had
this like series of very nice
SUVs and crossovers
and stuff and it's like
the
stuff that I want to do in a
truck
like I would never do it in F-150
you know what I mean like the
remember last year
yeah like when I cut down all those trees
and I had
it's like you would never do that in a modern truck
like I would feel horrible it's like an $80,000 vehicle
on a lease that I'm going to be filling
with like 70 trees
right
yeah no it's like the one
kind of use case thing that I can
think of is like
why did my screen just get so weird
see that
yeah I see it you touch it
oh strange no
is there like a little bit of debris on your camera thingy
is it a fly remember when the fly came
on this
that one
yeah you're good
oh it's still there
there's kind of like a weird little
it's there
yeah there's just a little line
the blur is gone
oh I was just going to say like
like
yeah the $80,000 pickup
truck is like for towing your
fucking you know
$75,000
fifth wheel or whatever
you know like or your boat
or something
your other fucking
ridiculous luxury
I mean I hate to say this
because this sounds like too fancy to say
but it's like
shouldn't someone else be taking care of your boat
like shouldn't a guy from the boat
be taking care of your boat you know what I mean
like if you have a boat
why are you schlepping it around
I have some fucking guy do it
not to be
yeah and this is like
again
this is all new to me because I've been
I've been schlepping boats around
and doing
truck stuff
I did drive to a Mongo show
in the truck a couple years ago
I remember yeah
which is very expensive to do
speaking of gas prices
so yeah
the car but I just
that G80 like I said I just got on it
and I was like oh yeah this is
and it's also I think like an age thing
to where it's like
you know in my 30s
even it was like oh I'm going to drive
a lifted Lexus GX
with like a shovel tied to it it's like
probably shouldn't have been
doing that in my 30s but like
certainly in my 40s I can't be doing that
so it's like I need to
that's undignified as I said
in an article it is undignified
behavior to drive especially
like a crossover
that is not
for a man to do
that's not good
it's undignified
it's frivolous vehicle
yep
get a car
be an adult
four doors
yep
this is my new pitch
new marketing
crossovers are for
fucking children
that's a car for a woman to drive
afraid
you should be driving a man's car
get a car
that would be a very
very funny thing
to just kind of like
all the kind of like
you know
the new masculinity guys
the looks maxing guys
like to just pray
on their specific insecurities
and just
wait are you seriously
fucking driving
are you trying to sit up high
in the truck
are you a child
are you not tall enough you have to sit up high
in your booster seat
in your booster seat
you guys remember
when the big joke used to be like
SUVs are for women
and they have lipstick holders
they have a little step and they're for women
and everyone was like no I need to be tall
and now like women are talking about getting truck
because they're like sitting up high
and I'm like women's business not my business
that's fine men get a car
that's I'm tall enough
I'm so tall
I don't even care
how low I sit because I don't care
I'm secure enough in my Masculinity at 5.2
I'll get in my Toyota Curl
no Maddie you're tall enough
in the same way that I'm tall enough
you're tall enough
yeah
man G80 something else
that was like I have another
call and then I'm going to have to tone down
quite a bit about
what is Genesis doing
with their cars
because it's like I've looked up the other day
and I was like
how long has Genesis been around two three years
and it's like 11 years they've been around
11 years in the United States
I don't know how to
explain people are like what kind of car
that's a cool car and I'm like that's a Genesis
they're like who makes it
and I'm like Genesis they're owned by Hyundai
and it's like
you can't be saying that stuff
at 11 years and you can't be like
you just say it's like the Lexus of Hyundai
even then that's
baffling to people
people don't know that there's Lexus in Toyota
they don't it's true
Lexus yeah the fancy
about Lexus
and I think the
just say it's like a Korean Lexus
that's a better
that would be a better way to say it
they should hire you right away
they should hire you Peter
because I
when you tell people this is a really nice car
and like even though Hyundai's are really nice
yeah
but it's like it's also
no one knows a thing about the car at all
no one knows what they stand for
the concrete idea of what these
you know what though
I mean the sedan
the one Genesis that I do see
pretty
frequently
are the
those kind of
mid-size kind of crossover
like but it's like a stylish
sporty crossover
you know what I'm talking about
yeah that's what it is
yeah
those I see a fair bit of
yeah seems like people people know
those I think that's that's probably what most
people associate the brand with
I would my my feelings
though with those cars
the big ones to the big
yeah yeah
no no no no that's not the
yeah yeah
like kind of that's the TV
yeah the
I think what's happening with those if I
had to guess is that people who are in
Hyundai and Kia are getting
moved up into the Genesis
but
as far as like you know it's like
BMW ultimate driving machine
Mercedes Benz the best or nothing
like go go up and down the
board of like Lexus is like
super overbuilt like super high quality
reliability like
last car you'll have to buy that kind of stuff and it's like
I should I should be able to
articulate what Genesis is about
after 11 years and I love the cars
I'm probably like the biggest Genesis
evangelist that I know
I like I recommend them to people all the
time but
I don't have a better way of explaining it than
saying it's a nice it's a really nice Hyundai
yeah just not good well I feel like
I feel like they've kind of
I mean whereas whereas Lexus
kind of came out of the gate
very ambitious
yeah
I feel like like
Genesis has been more of a soft launch
I mean like
in the sense that it really I mean
it was a model before it was a brand
yeah there was the aqueous
the Hyundai aqueous
very strange car
but
yeah I feel like I feel like it's
it's something that is
kind of I mean in
kind of the same way that just like
Hyundai's and Kia's have in the last
you know five years
especially
I feel like they've
they've gotten much more
kind of
focused as
as a brand
as brands and I
think that Genesis
is still kind of a work in progress and
and I think they're still kind of
finding their way towards the thing
but like I say I mean
did you guys see by the way that they
you know there's the
the Genesis
hypercar
which is going to
the race car
the race car that's going to
debut in
at Imola
in the world endurance championship in a
few weeks
they just revealed
the thing is
spectacular looking car and like in all
during testing and stuff like
that you know when they first revealed it
it was in like that really brilliant I mean
you saw it didn't you see it at the
New York last year
just like brilliant
magma orange color
I mean it looked fucking awesome
the
the race liveries
which have been revealed
like one of it like there's two cars
one of them is like
dark like super
dark silver the other one is black
it sucks
you guys and the rationale
is that like well McLaren is coming
next year and they kind of own
papaya like they you know it's like
that's their signature color so
they don't want to you know confuse
it's like dude you got your fucking car
there first yeah I can be orange
your signature color now right yeah
and then McLaren probably will not be
papaya either you know what I mean
like that I mean it doesn't matter it's like
dude you I mean it's just
it's a stupid rationale and it's like
come on you guys
car looks fucking awesome though
it does look good yeah
I mean yeah it's like I mean who know
you know reserving judgment until
they actually show up on the track
or whatever but it just
just kind of like disappointing
that like
I think that the this
column that I wrote is like
it was like it will help them
that they're going racing but I was like
they should be aware that like
10% of car companies
that have ever gone racing have had
any positive effect from it like on the
perception of their cars because like
it's so hard for marketing people to
figure out like what what the
connection is like why it's good to go racing
yeah
dude all all pain is
selling so many more
they're crushing fucking cars
is that
program
Pujo 2
for sure
it's going good
Cadillac too
Cadillac I'm sure I'm sure those Cadillac
I'm gonna help the GTPs
are selling
I'm helping them with that
they're selling lots of
plastics
we're gonna help with that we're gonna help with those things actually
I've got a plan for both of us
good
speaking of whack good good vibes
beaming good vibes out
into the universe for
our sweet
beloved beautiful man Ben Keating
who got hurt training
in the off season and will not be making it
to the next two races
get well soon I didn't see that
he hurt his elbow yeah he broke his fucking elbow
doing what
I probably lifting weights getting yoked
my niece just broke her elbow too
no kidding
he was probably roller skating that's what she was doing
let me imagine
I don't like roller skating man you go very fast
and when you stop you stop very hard
it's very awkward
I don't like it I'm not a fan
oh my god you guys
I feel like
like when we first started doing
this this podcast
I kind of alluded to a
a story that involved
I think we were talking about like
like stupidest things that we've ever
that we ever did like as kids
like how did we survive into adulthood
and one of mine involves
roller skating I don't know if this is
if this is the
the time
but maybe it is
we did just have the winter
Olympics right it's true
should we just close on this story
this is
this is
one of my stories
of what a
complete fucking dipshit
was as a kid
alright
it's 1980
it is
the winter Olympics
this is when the winter Olympics
and summer Olympics were
still in sync
you know so every four years
you got both of them
big deal
winter Olympics in 1980
like one of the big highlights
everybody remembers the U.S. hockey team
of course
do you believe in miracles but fewer people
remember
U.S. speed skating
gold medalist
I think
Eric Hyden
I
I only remember this because
I just
for some reason this guy
captured my imagination
speed skating like when you see it
it's like
these guys like fucking going around
a skating rink
but just like hauling ass
swinging their arms up
and like
and then getting down
into this fucking crouch
like making themselves like a super aerodynamic
and like
and just like fucking just truckin
you know and then
getting back up and doing this fucking crazy
like
yeah just look
go on YouTube and I mean if you missed it during
the winter Olympics I don't think I saw any
any
speed skating stuff when I was at my
physical therapy
where they were playing the winter Olympics
the whole time
anyway
this shit
I just thought was like the coolest thing
ever and this guy I thought was
like the fucking coolest dude ever
at the time
I'm 10 years old
and
a big kind of recreational thing
for me and
my cohort at the time
was a roller skating
this is pre roller blades mind you
we go to
the skate factory
which was a roller skating rink
and you know you just fucking
skate you know and they
play music and you know what
that is
the thing is I mean I was into that
but I was also into
just fucking roller skating
around the fucking neighborhood
and I had my roller skates
which were like these like sneakers
you know with
you know fucking trucks on the bottom
and
and what I would do like now
now I'm all
fucking hyped on Eric Hyde
in speed skating
and my street
it was
a kind of a
very
gentle incline
so if you went up the street
go out my front door go up the street
like you know maybe
half a block
or a block
I mean this is all like suburban
there's no fucking actual blocks but you know
picture it like you know maybe like
a quarter mile whatever
to your right and then
and then I would just like
come screaming down the sidewalk
you know
just like doing my Eric Hyde thing
with like swinging my arms
like a fucking maniac and then I would like
get down into my crouch
my aerodynamic crouch
and
and just go like
just you know firing
you know down the you know hitting
terminal velocity
and this you know like screaming
down to the end of the street
where it would like curve around into
a cult you know going up into
towards a cul-de-sac
so anyway
one day I'm out
fucking after school
doing this
and
so
so picture
a fucking ten year old kid right
who's just like fucking
just hauling
ass down the sidewalk
and of course like each you know
I mean each house has a driveway
that goes out you know past the
sidewalk empties into the street
and between
my house and our next door neighbor
there was like
like a low fence
and then some hedges
and I can't remember this guy's name
he was just like a single guy at the time
and he had like a second gen
Camaro
like a late 70s one
um
and
uh
so here's me
hitting terminal
you know doing my Eric Haydn thing
fucking
going as fast as I possibly can
getting down
into my crouch
so I'm like
you know maybe like three feet
off of the ground
just like fucking
fucking like going so fucking
fast
down the sidewalk
and at that very moment
unbeknownst to me
because I couldn't see him because I wasn't even looking
ahead I was just fucking you know
I'm just like
um and
and of course he couldn't see me
because
there's this hedge and this fence
and because I'm a fucking idiot
and I'm like I'm not even like high enough
where you would be able to see me
um
my next door neighbor like
gets into his fucking Camaro and at the
exact second exact
moment that I'm like coming down
past my house
he starts backing out of his
driveway
and I just go
face first
into
the back fender of his fucking
Camaro
and my teeth
went up through my fucking
lip completely split
my lip
and like my nose and just like
I mean I'm just fucking
like just gushing
just blood
fucking everywhere
you know just fucking
like
and I was like
I fucking go running
into the house
and just like
the of my mom's just like
what what how what did you do
I was like
just like fucking
blood pouring into the fucking bathroom
sink
and I'm you know and she's like washing
but you know and she's like it's okay
it's okay you know like she you know
goes and gets ice in a pack and it's like
okay yeah you fucking cut your lip
and it's like yeah okay your teeth that you know
it's like you haven't knocked any teeth out it's like alright
um
meanwhile
this fucking poor dude
who's just like this fucking
I mean he was probably like
like late 20s
early 30s
no kid experience
go
not ready for this in any way
he's just like he thinks that he
fucking killed me man
and he's
he's just like
my mom like goes out
and he's just like
he's fucking white as a ghost
he's just like
utterly fucking mortified
um
and
and she's just like
it's okay it's not your fault
my son is a fucking
idiot
and
like
and it's like don't worry about it
just you know he'll be fine
like is your car okay
it's like did you fucking
did he put a dent in your fucking car
with his face
which I think I had
but I think he was able to like
push it out
um
but um but
I feel like I remember my mom
like telling me later it's like oh no
he was so like
upset that he didn't even
like go where he went
he just fucking where he was going
he went back into his house
and he poured himself a fucking
drink
and was just like
just
he ended up doing this
and
he was fucking handshaking
um but yeah
that was me and my
Eric Hyden
speed skating
um into the side of
of a car
of a moving vehicle
um
because I wasn't looking where I was going
and I was tucked so far
um
you know so so close to the
ground um that
um nobody in a car could possibly see me
historical I um
Colin Cook was the guy who had the
Pujo in high school um
we used to do that Peter
we used to do that we lived in this really steep hill
called
Wayne Hill um that is
let's see
273 meters
is the
so the average gradient is
6%
max grade is 13%
so we'd go to the top of the hill
and ride our bikes and we actually used to sit on
skateboards and like lay down on a skateboard and do it
oh yeah oh we did that too
yeah that was later
that came like a few years later
I think that was the end of my speed skating career
so then it moved to skateboards
better yeah the uh
we would ride down on my on bikes and remember my dad
got a bike that had like a digital speedometer on it
and it was like oh
you know like how fast you think we're going and it's like
I'm not I can't remember the exact speed
but I remember thinking like this is way faster than
I've gone in a car uh
it was like 60
something or 70 something miles an hour like
it's a really long hill
and it's like you think about that now
and it's like had someone pulled out of their
driveway yeah there'd be
nothing either of us could have done about it
at the time like
but just like how fucking vaporized
you would be hitting hitting
the side of a car on a bicycle
at 60 plus miles an hour
it would be just like
God there'd be nothing left to view
uh
but yeah very stupid
these kids are so stupid
there's also sled down it in the winter
we lay in a sled
and go down the middle of the road at night
um
in the sled and I was like oh
we'll take a flashlight
so that a car would be able to see us
and it's like no
absolutely not like in the snow
no like
very
very good
yeah
well here we are both alive
still alive
I'll say the other story
which involves a concussion
and me riding my bicycle
when I was a bit younger
for another episode
not a baby concussion
those pre helmets those days
no one would have you
caught dead wearing a fucking helmet
that's a
that might be an even stupider
story though
but um yeah
yeah you'd rather be dead
than have your friends see you wearing a helmet
on your bicycle
I mean they just didn't exist
to the extent that they did it was like
yeah you got a fucking motorcycle helmet
or a football helmet
you know
and even the football helmets
they were like the fucking
the early 70s
football helmets where it's like the padding
was just like
barely even padding
it was just like this fucking hard plastic thing
with a slightly softer
plastic on the inside
the concussion generator
totally
good times
alright should we
wrap it? yeah
wonderful
stay tired
stay tired everybody
bye
you
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